0:00Jeremy To just, do a line of Coke, and and I did that off screen.

0:07Rod Palmer Alright.

0:08Richard Greaser I did a live stream.

0:11Richard Greaser I'm live now. I believe let me go over to Twitter and, yep. It says we're live on Twitter. And let me check the zap.stream. It says offline. Haven't been able to figure that one out. Alright. Well, I'll have to take another whack at zap.stream

0:31Richard Greaser next time. But, yeah. Hey. This is Richard Greaser tuning in from very interesting, undisclosed location. I would I would call it, Ground 0 for the intellectual silk Road. I'm not gonna say where I'm at am, but I'm in a big, giant room.

0:51Richard Greaser Been struggling with some technical difficulties. Kaylee Welch is not with me to, help fix my my setup. But, yeah. Joining us is, Jeremy for twenty one Media. You probably hear the red noise in the background. We got Jeremy from twenty one Media, who is putting on the event,

1:12Richard Greaser in Vegas. And, we've got Rob Hamilton, and I told him he's not allowed to talk about mini script or Anchor Watch. And then we've got Evan Kalupis, who's, this Greek guy.

1:31Richard Greaser He he works on the Lightning Network. He hasn't figured out yet that the best way to scale Bitcoin is with, paper Bitcoin. So he's still doing the Lightning stuff.

1:40Evan Kaloudis Oh, I I That's not entirely true.

1:43Richard Greaser Dude, you don't Zeus just added paper Bitcoin support.

1:47Evan Kaloudis I got tired of you guys bullying me.

1:49Rob Hamilton So I'm like, okay. Let's do it. I was just gonna say, I I wanted to create a lightning app, which is just a front end. It was it's it's not connected to the Internet, and it just simulates a transaction failing. And that's all it does. And nobody would know the difference between that and another and a regular lightning wallet. And I think I could you could really you could really launch a successful podcast off of that fake business. And how do you stop that from happening? How do you prove to people that Lightning does work sometimes?

2:22Jeremy You could market that as the most custodial, Lightning wallet. It it it fails 100% of the time.

2:31Rob Hamilton I like it. The truest custodial lightning wallet

2:36Evan Kaloudis made by the Google. Though. Are you guys gonna you guys have an animation guy?

2:41Rob Hamilton We can get one. We can get one. We can, everything's possible. We as long as we don't have to actually connect it to the Internet and make it work, we can we can upgrade the, user interface in the UX constantly. We can add new releases all the time. It'll just always get better.

2:59Richard Greaser Have you done that? That is my favorite it's my favorite part about Zeus Wallet is when I have a lightning transaction failed a route, there's some pretty damn cool graphics

3:09Rod Palmer going on.

3:11Rob Hamilton That's a that's I think you should I think you should market it as a privacy feature that every time you try to record yourself using Zeus Wallet, it fails so that nobody could ever and, you know, the the privacy is perfect. It's a privacy feature. It it knows it's being watched.

3:29Evan Kaloudis I think we could whip that up. That's, like, a good hacking project. Yeah. But I was gonna I was gonna bring it back. You know, offline is cool, but have you guys thought of potentially having your own Bitcoin network? Like BugleNet, maybe?

3:48Richard Greaser Yeah. Actually, we we've discussed doing I was talking about that with some folks today at the, the Bitcoin little hangout spot that I'm at, off grid hangout spot. But, we're talking about doing a intellectual Silk Road, eCash, which I guess would be a little bit different.

4:07Evan Kaloudis But Can we can we make that to default into Zeus, you know, since we're adding paper Bitcoin? Or you gotta be okay with that? I mean,

4:16Richard Greaser yeah. I mean, that'd be fine. I mean, the graphics are probably cooler than whatever Tali's making.

4:23Evan Kaloudis Oh, yeah. I mean, that goes Definitely. What you're saying.

4:27Jeremy I'm sure the op Rob Rob. You guys have some pretty good Rob added us.

4:31Rob Hamilton For your own bugle. Rob added me to a to a Feda Mint, a few months ago, and we got rugged. So Rob Rob rug this.

4:42Evan Kaloudis Not insured. I mean, You guys probably deserved it, though. Right?

4:50Richard Greaser It was in the Fetti app with the, group chat. So it was a shitposting chat, and then we realized we were just zapping each other fake Bitcoin because of the mint shutdown.

5:01Richard Greaser That was pretty cool.

5:03Richard Greaser Okay. Well, let's talk about was it. Let's talk about what we're doing. No. It was the the free the Madeira one or whatever that I was using for a while and got shut down. Alright, guys. You know, I'm losing some steam. Let let's talk about what we're doing here. What are we doing here, guys? I think I think Evan's doing something special right now. So Oh, shit. Some creatine. You know, I put some of my tea, please. Thank you. Oh, wow. He's cracking the seal. Yeah. I need Oh, of course.

5:31Richard Greaser Peace. Smart and lighter. Evan looks like he doesn't of course. Like, of course, Evan has a seal on his creatine. He doesn't look like he actually takes creatine. He just brought it for the stream.

5:42Evan Kaloudis Oh, me? Uh-huh. What do you think, man? Yeah. Come on. You don't see these games? That's that's

5:47Rob Hamilton that whole bucket is one morning dose.

5:52Evan Kaloudis Yeah. And that doesn't mean account if you're loading. It's going off the shelf, and I I brought

5:57Richard Greaser Rob and Jeremy. It's maybe the first first time on a Bitcoin podcast doing live creatine.

6:05Jeremy Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I love grape creatine. Thank you for doing that. It's cherry ice, dude.

6:14Richard Greaser Alright. Well, I'm only ever do the unflavored

6:17Richard Greaser one. I only ever did. Yeah. I actually just donated a five pound tub of unflavored to Bitcoin Park. Because, out in the kitchenette, anyone in 19 Building 1912 where the, the other building is, you, there's a whole five pound tub there. You're welcome to go for it.

6:34Evan Kaloudis Five pounds? Yeah. Unflavored. Good.

6:40Richard Greaser Very cool. So you guys are putting something up on in Vegas. Right?

6:46Richard Greaser Yeah. We're gonna be doing a doing an event. Jeremy, you wanna introduce yourself? I don't I think probably most of the people watching know everybody except for you. Oh, really? What's your deal? Jeez.

6:58Jeremy Yeah. I mean, I don't know if it if it made it live or not, but I was talking about different habits of form when you work in the, like, the the film media world, which is where I come from before Bitcoin and where I was able to, like, after doing forty hours of podcast

7:21Jeremy podcasts every week for years, 2017, 2018, finally was able to make my way into working in Bitcoin with things like what Bitcoin did and some other places, hanging up at Bitcoin Magazine, getting to know people like this.

7:38Jeremy Along the way, when you start down the rabbit hole, you're just taking everything in, and then you start to kind of form your own ideas on stuff. And, and so we're at a point now where we are launching some some shows. I'm here in Philly, and we got an incredible, I think below the radar scene here in Philly,

7:59Jeremy that Rob's got to meet. We've got we we treat our special guests to we've got a Gino sandwich over here. We've got a cannoli from Termini Brothers. We went to an Irish bar in Fishtown that has the best Italian food in in Philadelphia,

8:16Richard Greaser and the people are I got it. The best part. I gotta say, I walked in here to the bit the the Bitcoin John, like, the monthly bit Philadelphia Bitcoin meetup. It's in the middle of the Grand Palace, like, Chinese restaurant. It's a 400 seat, like, old like like, traditional Chinese food restaurant. And I was like, this it has a whole stage and everything.

8:36Jeremy And the stage has the biggest screen you've ever seen in your life for some really serious,

8:41Richard Greaser after BitDev's carryover. It gives Bitcoin Park in Nashville a run for its money. You know? It's pretty big. Maybe taller, maybe not as wide, but I think I think it's bigger. Yeah. Bigger? What's the I think it may be. Yeah. That's pretty good. It's a 400 seat restaurant. It's pretty wild.

8:56Evan Kaloudis Yeah. So what are you guys doing? During the the bull run during hyper Bitcoinization, you know?

9:02Rob Hamilton I was, I saw some videos on on x on the timeline recently. It looked like people in Kensington, Philadelphia were doing they were injecting creatine into each other. How close are you guys to Kensington?

9:15Jeremy In it. It it's, it's not really Hell, yeah. You know, they call fit That's an nonjumperable misfits like place. We can walk. It's just that the whole rig doesn't seem equipped to do it. So maybe another day. Right, Jeremy? Yeah. Yeah. I was gonna take Rob around for a little joyride, but we didn't have time. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of good creatine out there. Cherry ice, man.

9:39Richard Greaser Cherry ice. Yeah. He did. He's been mixing it. We really okay.

9:43Richard Greaser I mean, no no pressure. I'm not a steer pressure, Connor. Your energy is doubled. I need I need you guys Oh my god. I need you guys to settle down for a minute. So, let me let me do this for you. So Jeremy over here started a company called twenty one Media. And,

10:01Richard Greaser it was really lame. It was really it was really lame. Jack Mallers front front ran him. So Jack Mallers got some insight. He's like, shit. We gotta put the announcement out about our company before Jeremy does, or else they'll think that, we're copying Jeremy. But, I do know that Jeremy actually picked the name before Jack Mallers did for his company,

10:25Richard Greaser because he's been talking about this with me for some time now. But, Jeremy's putting on the event, the premier event in Las Vegas. You you might have heard about the Bitcoin conference. That that'll be happening too. But the event to be at is

10:45Richard Greaser Satire of the System on Fremont Street on Wednesday night in Vegas. And all five of us on the stream are gonna be there. Maggie Morris is gonna be joining us. We're gonna be having a a good time. There's gonna be quite a bit that's happening.

11:01Rob Hamilton Where's that? We're gonna be live announcing Mhmm. There's gonna be a trap in the car? We're gonna be we're gonna be live announcing nonstandard sized wrestling. Ninja wrestling from Micromania is gonna be incredible.

11:17Jeremy And it's for a specific purpose. This is, this is, the history of Bitcoin is filled with emotional drama of of loss and, sacrifice and overcoming and, we're going to see some of the most expensive sized people,

11:35Jeremy play it out so that

11:37Rob Hamilton Most importantly, it's the history of being right. We are celebrating that we were right. We're dunking on all the people that doubted us, and it's gonna be a celebration.

11:49Richard Greaser It's shown the small block sizes and all the downstream consequences of, you know, making sure that we keep that constrained.

11:57Jeremy You're right. It it is actually a artistic, support advocacy of small blocks. Yeah. Where was I going with that? You know, one thing I'm wondering about, you mentioned how Jack Mallers somehow found out about the '21, and moved quickly.

12:19Jeremy And we just found out through some credentialed reporting, I saw on Twitter that it was Dennis Porter that is leaking the, the guests, for our event. And now I'm wondering I'm just putting two and two together. Is there does anybody know does Dennis Porter have, like, a line to Jack Mallers? Because he might be at the center of all of this. Well, when you're the CEO of two prominent Bitcoin companies,

12:44Richard Greaser I think Dennis Porter is near the top of your, you know, your speed dial. Right? That's where you use for your breaking news. That's where you kinda get all the alpha. And now publicly one of those companies is publicly traded. If you wanna get a man on the markets to kinda help push your narratives, you you gotta have Dennis on speed dial for sure. Yeah.

12:60Jeremy Well, we're we're gonna forge ahead of you. When Mallers

13:05Richard Greaser when Mallers is going on his Tinder dates, he needs a way to get hard too.

13:11Jeremy Then he needs to go where the creatine will be.

13:14Evan Kaloudis Jack, I got you, bro.

13:17Richard Greaser This is actually really, really good. Yeah. Cherry ice with the green tea. It's really potent. I think it's the first communal creatine on a Bitcoin podcast ever. You know, we like to set standards. Can we make it a Philly special? So so I think it's, I think it's important

13:31Rod Palmer to remember.

13:32Richard Greaser I think it's important to remember, guys, there's people watching this stream. And so they're they're kinda curious as to what we're talking about here. So we're doing this event in Vegas. It's gonna be the most important event happening this year, in my opinion. It's gonna be a groundbreaking event. It's gonna be the launch of, a new media company, Twenty One Media, Jeremy Poli here. Evan Kalupis is gonna be there. And,

14:01Richard Greaser so, Evan, what do you do? And you're you're sponsored like, how do you how do you have money?

14:06Evan Kaloudis That's a good question. Sponsoring,

14:09Richard Greaser hey. So you're sponsoring the samurai, fundraiser. How do you have money to sponsor that?

14:18Richard Greaser Craps table.

14:20Jeremy He he sold me on, there's this E Mint thing that he started, and he's gonna send us that instead of money. And it sounds

14:27Evan Kaloudis like It's called raising capital through equity, and, we have a new venture that's we think it's gonna be pretty,

14:38Fundamentals you know, equitable.

14:40Evan Kaloudis So Equitable. Plan is you open the doors, get everyone in, you funnel them in. They're making transactions. Right? And unlike the regular Zeus wallet, these transactions are gonna go through. The money

14:58Evan Kaloudis in this lightning node that's gonna be hosting the mint, it's gonna accumulate. Just go up and to the right. We build that hype. We get the good folks at the bugle just singing our high praises, and then we rug.

15:16Evan Kaloudis And that's when the investors are made full again. Right? So I really can't afford any fuck ups here, guys, because they're already breathing down my neck. You know? It's like a lot of money we ask for. You know? It's like, you know, it's it's not that it's expensive to run this thing. It's just that we have a lot of How we have a lot of How stressful is it when you go to

15:36Rob Hamilton How stressful is it when you go to your investors and they say, I wanna watch this wallet send a lightning transaction to my phone. And you gotta pull up your custodial lightning wallet and hope that this lightning transaction works in front of the investors. Like, what how do you prepare for that?

15:53Evan Kaloudis I thought we talked about this. Like, it doesn't go through the process of launch. Yeah. It's it's we already coded that up. So I just told the interns So the pretty much

16:06Richard Greaser pretty so pretty much what I heard you say, Evan, is, so the ten thirty one's giving you money to sponsor the the samurai fundraiser. So anybody that's being critical of Matt Odell needs to chill.

16:21Rob Hamilton Shut up. He's not grumpy. He's not grumpy. He's not grumpy.

16:25Evan Kaloudis Listen, we we've got a lot of part we've got a lot of parties in on this thing. I'm not gonna confirm or deny any names that are involved. You know, there might be rumblings around that you have people like Jamie Dimon, another fellow Greek, or, you know, the Blackstone, BlackRock guys. And but, you know, that that's just speculation. Okay?

16:50Rob Hamilton Has Plenator has Plenator had the opportunity to vet this investment? Hey. I mean, Plenator the other day was talking about some pipe investment scams, and he there was so some of the worst he's seen involved with twenty one, the Jack Mallers company is and I if all the investors

17:09Rob Hamilton exit scams out there, Pledger has seen them all, literally all of them. Everything, all the SEC files going back to 1934 when the, when it was founded. He's read them all. How do you structure

17:24Rob Hamilton these deals so that they don't get outed by Pledder? Because Pledder is on the case. Who who And he's very critical of 10/31. Guy's name?

17:34Evan Kaloudis Pleb Predator? The what?

17:37Rob Hamilton Plebitor. Plebitor is a predator for yammers. Does he predate on

17:42Evan Kaloudis plebs, or he he protects the plebs from being predated on, or he's a pleb who's a predator in other ways? He predates It's even worse than that. He's a redditor. It's even worse than that. He's a redditor. Shh. He's a redditor. It's even worse. Yeah. He's a redditor. So how does he reconcile Apex Redditor. How how does he reconcile his Reddit gold maximalism with the Bitcoin thing? Or or did or can you buy

18:10Richard Greaser Reddit gold with Bitcoin now? I I'm sorry. You can. No? I don't think so. They used to be able to. Right? That was a good idea. They did. Yeah. They pulled that, though. Yeah. Yeah.

18:20Rob Hamilton Damn. People's lighting transactions didn't work, and they just they were losing, they are losing conversions. They're like, alright. It just go we're just going back to we're still going back to using USDT. We're going back to taking Tether.

18:33Evan Kaloudis Well, you know, at least it wasn't our fault. Evan, when are you adding USDT support? Oh, well, I think there's a really clear pipeline now that paper Bitcoin is going in the app. So There you go. It'll be, it'll be great. You know? We'll be able to get, you know, whoever the person of the day is, you know, usually someone race baiting or, you know, doing Yep. All sorts of stuff like that. They they need a payday. They'll be able to fire up and copy Zeus, get a seed, get a Zeus pay address. And you can go to get a USDT right to your wallet. You can go to Bitcoin John first Monday of every month at the Grand Palace, restaurant, and you can actually go to Evan, and he'll just give you the dollars. He's just a money transmitter for you. Oh, woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. I thought we said that the bugle guys were running the mint.

19:23Rob Hamilton So back to the back to the event in Vegas, satirize the system. I heard rumors. Can you confirm, Jeremy? Will there be non KYC video games? People want non KYC video games?

19:37Jeremy We did find, the darkest alley, to host our event in so that KYC was physically impossible. So, I can guarantee here right now live on your podcast,

19:53Jeremy non KYC arcade games, non KYC, Super Nintendo games, non KYC bowling, where you and custodial where you wear your own shoes. You control

20:08Rob Hamilton Oh, this is huge. From That sounds

20:10Evan Kaloudis like a liability issue. Finish.

20:12Jeremy There's no passcode for somebody else.

20:15Rob Hamilton Yeah. That that's one of the things that Now we won't tell you. One of the things in Vegas is if you go down to the strip where the, you know, the conference is gonna be, a lot of stuff's gonna be down there. That is, like, the most surveilled, most KYC'd place maybe on Earth, but Fremont Street is not that. Fremont Street is a citadel for crazy, ungovernable misfits in in loons,

20:42Rob Hamilton So it's the perfect spot.

20:44Richard Greaser Fremont Street too, I'm pretty sure doesn't have a nonsmoking section at the blackjack tables. Like, you are allowed to smoke at any table you want, whereas, like, those fancy spots on the strip Huge. They they they break it off like, oh, no. Like, you can gamble here, but you can't you can't smoke cigarettes at this table. Segregation. Yeah. It's discrimination. Segregation has finally come to the Vegas Strip, and it's ruined the Vegas Strip. So that was one of the few places where segregate or non segregation had held out.

21:10Rob Hamilton But now it's an island. It's Fremont Street. Fremont Street is the only place.

21:15Jeremy You might have heard from doctor Jack Cruz about how, taking all the windows out at the casinos, impacted the mitochondria of gamblers, forcing them to become worse, unhealthy. And the the casinos started doing a whole lot better. Well, at Fremont, by being able to smoke,

21:35Jeremy the nicotine, restores your mitochondria.

21:38Evan Kaloudis And we're seeing some of the strongest gamblers come out of the Fremont. That sounds great. Some might call it a cigarette citadel, if you will.

21:46Jeremy I think they do. I think they do. Wow. That's amazing. So

21:51Rob Hamilton do the do the Fremont Casinos, do they allow you to bring your own tallow to the table?

21:57Richard Greaser Not if you're playing craps because they don't want you buttering up the dice. But, everywhere else, that's fine. Tallow dice, I would love to throw some tallow dice, unfortunately, but that's gonna not be

22:08Rob Hamilton possible, it sounds like.

22:12Jeremy You know, I think we might be able to make that happen. Let's, like, get together after this and, see what we might be able to do about some tallow dice games in the in the corner.

22:21Rob Hamilton Yeah. So not Greece in the game, Motao and

22:27Richard Greaser So I I think we still have yet to make a coherent explanation for what the hell we're promoting. So there's gonna be an event Wednesday night. It's gonna be the most important event to be at. All five of us are gonna be there. Maggie Morris is gonna be there.

22:46Richard Greaser I think Rob's gonna bring the whole Anchor Watch team. They're all gonna be banned from talking about insurance and mini script. They're gonna actually have to talk about something else. And, so, Jeremy, can you explain the structure of the event? What's what's going on here? So we got we got some panels. We got some people talking. We've got some yeah. What time does it start? Starts at 7PM.

23:08Richard Greaser 7PM, Wednesday, the week of the conference. I don't know what day of the week that is. Wednesday. Wednesday, like, the number, '28.

23:15Evan Kaloudis At 7PM. Twenty eight AM. So there's two things kinda going on, I think. Wait. Wait. Wait. Has the location been announced? I mean, like, damn. I'm sponsoring the thing. I don't even know where it is yet.

23:25Jeremy That's kinda on purpose. You don't wanna anyway, it's at a place k y c called the nerd. It's, like, we we weren't joking about non k y non k y c, games. Yeah. Exactly. The venue itself is full of of arcade games, like skill games, Skee Ball, stuff like that.

23:48Jeremy And because it's the nerd, I wasn't joking. Super Nintendo games, n 64 games. So there's two things I think really going for it where we'll have an environment where anybody kinda gets to have some fun, gets to hang out with friends and play games. And just just by being there, you'll be able to, have have some fun doing whatever you wanna do. At the same time, you can also choose to enjoy the main events that we have going on, the main event room.

24:17Jeremy And so we have it's in four sections. We've got, to kick it off is the discussion panel. And actually, let me back out a little bit. The theme here, it's satirize the system is the name of the event because, we're trying to refocus what's going on here. You know? Maybe

24:37Jeremy maybe the ETFs, you know, come out. We go back to was it January of last year that they that they rolled out? And maybe you were somebody in Wall Street, you didn't understand Bitcoin, and now the ETFs are here, and you're like, oh, okay. I get it. And you buy yourself some some ETF Bitcoin, and, you actually wanna maybe learn a little bit more about what's going on, instead of giving into the

25:04Jeremy you know, you go one of two ways. You either wanna know what it is that you've bought or you just wanna watch the number go up. And we're kinda seeing that that split actually happen in the entire community right now. And so we wanna bring some attention to that. There's some choices being made and some efforts being done where you can only choose one or the other and so we're trying to refocus it on why it's freedom money to begin with

25:31Jeremy and what some of the choices are against it and what some of the choices are to support it. So we've got a discussion panel that we're kicking off with Rob Hamilton right here and a couple other unnamed people as of yet. And then from there, that's the first segment. Then we go into a fireside conversation,

25:55Jeremy to maybe get a little bit more intimate. Two minds focusing together on something. Again, we will be announcing that a little bit later on. And then we move on to a trivia kinda game show where you have a chance to, to get on stage, to play the game, and to win Evan's money, Zeus' money. Let's do it.

26:16Evan Kaloudis We're gonna save the samurai wallet with lightning. They're gonna fucking hate it. But let me finish on this time.

26:27Jeremy Yeah. So you'll, it'll be a fundraiser where, you know, every dollar, that you give gets you a raffle ticket, and that dollar will go to the peer to peer fund, which right now, the main focus is the samurai wallet case. And, yeah, you'll be able to go on stage, play some fun trivia, and, win some lightning stats. And, and that's kinda the setup. So, you know, we we set the stage there

26:52Jeremy so that everybody kinda knows what's going on, knows what the point is, And then we get get really into it with the, the history of Bitcoin unfolded on stage by the nonstandard athletes of Las Vegas. And, these guys are actually, like,

27:10Jeremy completely legit. We really, like, fell backwards into some pure gold here. They go on tour. They're, like, the number one touring wrestling group. You've gotta see some of the video. We put out a a video two days ago that shows some of the action, gives a sample of it. These guys are completely legit. They are ready to don the titles and names of some of Bitcoin's most famous people, infamous people,

27:36Jeremy And, and we're ready to see how things play out. And there's gonna be metal chairs. There's gonna be, some bad clips off the stage.

27:46Richard Greaser So when you say nonstandard, can they fit in an they, like, can they fit inside an ocean opera turn?

27:57Rob Hamilton Some of them. Yeah.

27:59Richard Greaser They can? Good.

28:01Rob Hamilton Yeah. You can't filter them. These guys are fierce competitors who cannot be filtered.

28:06Jeremy There you go. There's a limit. You can fit 80 of them. Okay. 80 fits. Yeah.

28:12Richard Greaser Yeah. There you go.

28:15Jeremy The we're what this is fit a little more. Okay. Like, a 130, 140.

28:20Evan Kaloudis Oh. But, I don't know. There's there's some pushback. A little bit. Well, you gotta push back. You gotta push like a clown car. You need someone pushing, condensing them. Yeah.

28:31Rob Hamilton Right. There's also instead of a mechanical bull, it's a mechanical uncircumcised penis. So if you are circumcised,

28:41Rob Hamilton maxi, you know, excuse me. Excuse me. I had that backwards to say circumcised penis, but it's hard, and we keep it hard. Mhmm. We're gonna have It's hard to get to Dennis Porter's timeline. Dennis Porter's timeline scrolling in front of it, and it's gonna keep this thing hard. So you can look it up. You can look up the mechanical cock at, the nerd on Fremont Street. If you wanna bring, you know, you wanna bring your girlfriend and see if she can ride it, get she'll be able to be exposed some Dennis Porter tweets in the process.

29:13Rob Hamilton And my orange pillar might make her more bullish.

29:16Richard Greaser Make a baby boom right there.

29:19Rob Hamilton I don't know how the Yeah. So that'll be

29:22Jeremy I don't know how the science works on it, but for them to figure out how to not plug it in, but to keep it going and hard just by having scrolling Dennis Porter text in front of it, is is really something special.

29:37Evan Kaloudis It's above my pay grade. You it's

29:40Rob Hamilton amazing engineering work. You're not gonna you're not gonna wanna miss that, let me tell you.

29:47Jeremy Yeah. If you've if you've been at Bitcoiner long enough, you've already taken this ride, so you might as well do it in public.

29:55Richard Greaser Well, I do wanna say, I'm excited about the event. Like, I'm I'm excited to to spend time in person with all our listeners. It's it's one of our one of my favorite things to do. I'm gonna you should bring a pack of cigarettes. I'll I'll sign your pack of cigarettes for you, and, that'll be a pretty cool experience. But, we'll have some merch that we'll be selling here.

30:19Richard Greaser And, you know, Bitcoin is free to money. You should use it as free to money, so we're gonna give you the opportunity to. So you should come in with the Juice wallet ready. The channel's already pre balanced, not trying to fiddle it with it when you get there. Ready to roll. Yeah. Don't be the guy. Don't

30:38Evan Kaloudis be the guy trying to connect to Tor and not be ready. We all hate that guy. Alright?

30:45Richard Greaser Has, PodConf approved this event yet, or have they caught wind of it, or is it kinda still on the underground? PodConf hasn't caught on yet.

30:53Richard Greaser Well, you know, one of the four horsemen, David Bailey, he did retweet it and said it looked interesting. I don't know if that was an an endorsement

31:00Richard Greaser or a condemnation. I don't know. That's big news. I thought I meant There's been a rotation out of the four horsemen, right, at PodCon?

31:10Rob Hamilton That's right. That's right. Corey was demoted at long, and Peter McCormick, has gone off to politics, so he's busy doing that, trying to get to his soccer club. So we had we had there was an opening in Podgum. They

31:26Rob Hamilton it promoted Jack Dorsey and Jack Mallers. So it's a double jack, promotion. That's a big one. I mean, it was announced through Opera Turn. So if you were on the we saw Opera turn by an Oster or or X. Yeah. So it's big. That's the problem. Bot comp is reenergized. My Rob has his hat right there, so Rob might be able to tell us some of the inner workings of how Podkomp is functioning right now.

31:56Richard Greaser I'm just a tier one pleb, you know, verified pleb, the real pleb movement. I'm not formally, part of the Podkomp organization. I'm just kinda recognized as I thought you were on the board. Well, I'm on, like, the advisory board for the for the plebs. I'm not I'm not the one pulling the strings, though. I mean, you guys have also been hitting up the opportune bot. Right? Like, you guys have been, making your voice heard on the Bitcoin blockchain?

32:20Rob Hamilton Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We, we, had it put Linnalden is hot on there. We put, the core devs should be allowed to have sex, which is an important thing we might we need to get into. It's a controversial thing, apparently.

32:38Evan Kaloudis Yeah. It's a whole lot of controversy around that. That's that's one thing I mean, not to toot my own horn. Right? But that's one thing the Greeks got right. You know? Like, if you're a Greek priest Toot your own horn.

32:48Rob Hamilton Yeah. The Greeks like to toot their own horn, don't they? It's just not just women. Yeah. You can have sex with women. Yeah. Yeah. And have a white Yeah. Yeah. The some people think that the core dads, the maintainers are like this clergy who's not allowed to have sex and that's the bugle is very much against that.

33:09Rob Hamilton But Richard Grieser, yeah, Richard Grieser was doing some investigation and he got some, some insider sources that said that there's a lot of people in this debate right now that cannot believe that the core debts can have sex.

33:28Richard Greaser I mean, that that's kind of the hard work that Dick Greaser does, though, getting to the bottom of those things and kind of doing the work that other journalists just kinda whistle on by. They they and and just like mechanic says that this whole opera turn debate is, like, a technical is not a technical issue. He's right. It's not technical. It's about should the core devs be allowed to have sex. And I think you get lost in all the technical minutia when there's really just, you know, foundational things that are about the culture and ethos of Bitcoin. Like, should core devs be allowed to have sex? And I I stand in support that they should be able to. I don't know. I mean, I think it's there's some nuance to it. Alright? There's a lot of nuance here. It's like,

34:02Evan Kaloudis how many pull requests have they submitted that week? Right? How many what's the line diff on their code count? You know? Like More like pull out requests. But anyway, you can't just be reviewing code Well, well, they need anything. Expect to have sex. Right?

34:19Rod Palmer True.

34:20Evan Kaloudis It's tough.

34:21Rob Hamilton Okay. So yeah. That's but if they do, I mean, every month, the Deebel puts out the top five power rankings for the cordettes. And one of the stats that we include and, pretty much the only stat that we base these power rankings off is the, commits that they made over the prior month.

34:42Rob Hamilton And, they're all the maintainers are they're most of them are they at least have a dozen commits, some of them a 100 commits. So, they're they're keeping up the action. They are allowed to have sex. And it's, you

35:01Rob Hamilton know, it comes down to this anti sexuality thing on one side of the debate. And it's like they don't want JPEGs in their mempo. What if it's a hot JPEG? What if Lynn Alden or Sydney Sweeney are on one of those JPEGs? You're not gonna let Lyn Alden and Sydney Sweeney into your pool, your mempool? I I I I feel like that's bullshit. I feel like you would. And if you're gonna let them in, don't you think you have to wait let all in. If you're gonna claim to be not censoring, if you're gonna claim to be

35:32Rob Hamilton a promoter of this open promo code, you have to let hot JPEGs in your mempool. You have to let them all. This is part of it, though. You know? Like, I think this is coming from, like you know, Luke is a

35:42Richard Greaser very die hard serious Catholic, and I think this is just kind of, like, going to that abstinence, like, before marriage. Like, this is just kind of people aren't realizing how it's impacting the rest of the Bitcoin development, and you gotta just be aware of this stuff. Right?

35:53Jeremy Well, this is one of the catch 20 twos because Luke's family is, is three times as large as the people in this room. And so if there's anybody having sex,

36:04Richard Greaser you know, see where I'm going? Well, there's, like, 900 knots nodes running, and I think I think that's just Luke's children. That's exactly right. Only Luke still do the running knots nodes. There's 900 knots nodes, and they're all Luke's children. I think I just had a revelation.

36:18Evan Kaloudis Sorry. It's the creatine. A rev revelation here. This crusade with the filter sort of lines up with the fake pope's death. Maybe he feels empowered now?

36:31Richard Greaser This is, we're in a time of rough consensus for Luke where he agrees with all 1,300,000,000 Catholics that the state of a con that the seat is empty, and it's probably uncomfortable for him right now where he has a very consensus opinion. Everyone agrees there's no pope at the moment, but Luke's been saying that for decades. And I think that's just, like, an uncomfortable spot that he's in. I think it's a good, good point, Evan. Yeah.

36:52Richard Greaser Okay. While we're on the subject I think Luke's pretty based on that topic. I think the pope's a shit corner. Kinda like Jameson Law. The same way that that many of the filled with pedophiles.

37:06Evan Kaloudis But if you were to pick someone to replace the old fake pedophile Pope, who would you guys choose? Luke. Luke?

37:14Jeremy Yeah. The ultimate filter. Makes sense.

37:19Richard Greaser Any Catholic can become pope. How about pomp?

37:23Evan Kaloudis Is pomp Catholic? I don't know. Maybe. I don't pope? Pompeo pope the illiterate? I think I think That's good.

37:31Rob Hamilton I think that aliens may make contact with human beings during the next pope's reign. And I think that we need a Pope who can deal with the aliens. And I don't know who could deal with I mean, Paul loves the aliens, but I feel like the aliens might relate better to Luke. I think that he they're I mean, what if the aliens are autistic? Who are we gonna have that talk to them?

37:57Jeremy Yeah. That's a good question. I don't know. Well, that's why he teamed up with Mechanic, isn't it?

38:05Richard Greaser Interesting. Very possible.

38:09Richard Greaser So are we anywhere near getting settled with, this whole opportune

38:15Richard Greaser arguing? Or is it just gonna be the potential What's going on? For a while going forward commercially? Podcom Podcom's taken this over now. Conferences are doing whole panels around it. Multiple podcasts have hit me up to try and go on to talk about it. I think PodCon's gonna put another, like, two, three weeks of this at least of into the drama.

38:33Rob Hamilton Well, I saw that they're gonna merge that this next week.

38:36Jeremy Yeah. You know?

38:39Richard Greaser I I think if anything, that's where the conspiracy should be, focused on is that it has nothing to do with the Catholic church or the pope. I mean, you look at the proximity to the conferences, you've got BTCC plus plus happening. Is that this week or next week? This week. Yeah. So that's happening this week. You've got,

39:04Richard Greaser the political clarity conference happening at Vegas.

39:09Evan Kaloudis So I'm so happy we're here. I mean

39:14Richard Greaser so, I mean, it's it's interesting. So, like, Rob, you were tweeting that Bitcoin is not a democracy. Right? That's right. But, like, all these people all these people, they're they're getting all riled up. They're getting all riled up because of, their nose getting raped. And they're going to the conference, and they're gonna go listen to mechanic argue with somebody. I don't know who the other person's gonna be, but we all know mechanic's gonna be arguing in the conferences. They're gonna be going there. They're gonna be listening to them argue about no rapage.

39:42Rod Palmer And,

39:44Richard Greaser there's gonna be a bunch of politicians speaking there. And so you're gonna walk away from that thinking that Bitcoin is a democracy because that's how the conference stage looks.

39:56Richard Greaser It's a good point. That's why the satirizing the system is so important to kinda bring things back to our roots. Right? It's not a democracy.

40:06Rob Hamilton Is it a republic? So you basically oust you basically vote for your favorite influencer, and they're the ones who tell you which node to run. So it's more like a republic.

40:15Evan Kaloudis No. No. No. You gotta be an economic node. Right? Economic node. Of course. Exactly. So, you know, titans of industry like Rob and myself, we can vote. Yeah. We get to vote. What the hell is your node doing? Yeah.

40:27Rob Hamilton That's why we don't If I if if I if I use Coinbase, I'm I'm electing their node to be my representative.

40:35Richard Greaser Have you ever used Coinbase for Lightning? Has it ever has that have those payments failed when you use Coinbase for Lightning?

40:42Rob Hamilton I have not used Coinbase Lightning. You're missing out? I don't know that.

40:46Richard Greaser It is pretty impressive that, Coinbase beat Swan to Lightning, though.

40:53Rob Hamilton That that's true. They did. And they're probably gonna I mean, you're gonna be able to send USDT over the Lightning Network off of Coinbase now? Because I don't think people are gonna need banks or, custodial wallets after that.

41:09Richard Greaser No. I actually Yeah. I mean, what what isn't what what isn't Coinbase being swan at? They they've got more users. They have lightning. They're customing sailors' funds.

41:23Richard Greaser Podcasts. I guess they have less Bitcoin. Coinbase Yeah. Doesn't have a podcast. Got less. Coinbase doesn't have a podcast. Mm-mm.

41:29Evan Kaloudis And the shit coins too. We're really holding them back.

41:35Rob Hamilton Yeah. You can, like, coin a podcast on Coinbase, I think, with, like, the content coins. So maybe they they maybe that's how they get the podcast.

41:44Richard Greaser Oh, yeah. The content coins. That's right. Bring it in on the base. They're they're using their their secondary layer called base. This is this

41:52Rob Hamilton is why we need to lift the opera turn limit so we can inscribe Bitcoin podcasts directly on chain. And this is how I mean, if you're using content coins on base, like, that's not sovereign it's not sovereign inscription of content. You need to do this on layer one Bitcoin, the the God chain.

42:14Richard Greaser Yeah. And throughout time, you could just actually over the blocks, you could just kinda go back and, like, listen to your old podcast by just downloading a Bitcoin node.

42:23Rob Hamilton Exactly. I mean, the first thing we should do is get Sailor Series on chain so that anybody in the future or anybody in the world can listen to the Sailor Series because it's probably the most important Bitcoin content audio content, I think, to date.

42:42Richard Greaser You know, it it I think it's a good point. And when you think about it, remember MicroStrategy last year was gonna do a whole product line around inscriptions? I think Saylor realized that was the wrong call, but if it comes back as an Opera turn, then MicroStrategy can do all of their digital identity stuff using opportune.

42:60Rob Hamilton Asymmetric compliance.

43:01Richard Greaser That's right.

43:03Jeremy I thought those were gigantic.

43:05Richard Greaser I thought I thought You can go up to one meg for an opportune. Really? Yeah. There's no consensus limit on an opportune. Yeah. Yeah. I guess, if you wanna pay for it. Yeah. Yeah. It only would cost a a million stats right now to fill an entire block with an opportune. Incredible. Taylor's smart, man. Yeah. Think about he has 500,000 Bitcoin. He can fill blocks up for until, like, the heat death of the universe. And just, like, with, you know, a thousand, he could do a 100 per coin. That he means that he can do yeah. He could do millions of blocks. Is is he secretly at the charge of forty

43:39Jeremy hours per week?

43:41Richard Greaser He may be. It's very possible. I mean, you guys I mean, is the bugle do you guys came up with the forty hours per week, or is that something that kinda spoke to you and you already saw it somewhere?

43:51Richard Greaser I I think we just discovered it. I I wouldn't say that we invented it. It was not in any way. Mean, like It was not right. There's many

43:57Rod Palmer of

43:58Richard Greaser us I mean, there's many of us that have been full time podcast listeners, you know, for a long time now. Yeah. And, they just put a description on it. You know what I mean? Turn it into a meme.

44:09Rob Hamilton You discovered it. That's right. Now question on the Yeah. There we go. A week.

44:15Richard Greaser Evan, how many hours of Bitcoin podcast do you listen to?

44:19Evan Kaloudis Well, I'm a you know, I I just really just round upon the people who listen to them sped up. I like to listen to them either, you know, one x speed or point five x speed because, you know, like, I really want to Interesting. Poke it in. So, you know Based.

44:39Richard Greaser Based.

44:40Evan Kaloudis He he's a cherry ice creatine kind of a guy. Oh, yeah. You gotta put a couple of those back before you get get fired up. You know? Maybe bringing things down to Do you get point seven five, point eight. I mean, do you get

44:52Rob Hamilton do you get sufficient entropy in your Bitcoin podcast listening? Are you listening to Optech? Are you listening to Astrology podcast, Bitcoin podcast? Are you listening to privacy philosophy? Okay.

45:05Evan Kaloudis No astrology yet. I'll leave that to the wife. Okay? I love Optech. You're doing some great stuff there. You know, a couple of Zeus users there, which is good. But, you know, really, I'm all about scratching the surface, finding the next big thing.

45:22Evan Kaloudis And, you know, right now, there's just so much talent. And, you know, as a man who who doesn't want to juice, who wants to listen at one x or slower, it it's hard to find it all. You know? We need more people surfacing the brand new talent that's gonna merge. I I feel like we're on the cusp of of a boom.

45:43Evan Kaloudis Bitcoin podcast. I feel like I feel like we're gonna have to bump forward. Podcast edging.

45:48Rob Hamilton Yeah. You're edging. A Cambrian explosion of podcasts.

45:52Evan Kaloudis Yeah. Cambrian explosion. One of the things. Feel like we're gonna have to bump forty hours per week up to, like, maybe forty five, fifty soon.

45:60Rob Hamilton Otherwise, you're gonna have to invest dust. Yeah. Invest and have to invest in podcast equipment, making, you know, producing companies because, you know, if you strive to the you know, I I don't I don't wanna go where the gold is I would go where the the ax and shell pickaxes and shovels are. You're gonna wanna invest in podcast equipment companies.

46:21Evan Kaloudis Well, you gotta do so cautiously too because, you know, we have this new existential threat in terms of podcast, and that's the tariffs. Kinda. You gotta think about where all this equipment is coming from. Mhmm. Like, are we gonna be able to scale up microphone and soundboard equipment,

46:37Jeremy production in The United States? And I'm just not sure we can. Will they buy We need three d printers for that. This is all this is all a move, these tariffs,

46:46Evan Kaloudis so that we can reclaim our control of our own podcast. Well, the podcasting supply chain is under threat. We need to take it back into our own control. Well, here's the thing. So Trump was talking this week about putting tariffs on films produced outside of Hollywood. Right? Mhmm. What if we apply podcasting two point o tariffs on shows that aren't produced in The United States? So I'm looking at you, Stefan Lovera. Okay. I know what you're getting away with. What Bitcoin not gonna

47:11Richard Greaser fucking put up with this. What Bitcoin did? Danny Knowles down under tripled the tax because he's upside down.

47:18Rob Hamilton That's right. But, yeah, I tell you right now, the Canadian Bitcoin podcast do not need do not need that because they are Canadian Bitcoin podcasters struggling up there. They just lost their election to a central bank. They and all their listeners are in The United States, and maybe we should make an exception for the Canadian Bitcoin podcasters.

47:40Evan Kaloudis And we'll have we'll have to run it past David Bailey.

47:43Richard Greaser Yeah. David would know best. So Have you ever guys thought about, like, kinda, like, this MSTR and MSTY where you can earn yield and stuff that maybe there's, like, HPW y, where, like, you just earn a certain amount of yield when you start listening. When you hit that forty hours per week, you start getting, like, a dividend of Bitcoin knowledge once you've crossed that threshold.

48:02Rob Hamilton I Yeah. I like this. It's like an ad nav for signal.

48:05Richard Greaser Exactly. And as long as your entropy is good, you have to have your entropy spread out really well. But, like, if you're listening to your hell money for your astrology, right, if you're gonna listen to OPCEC and you're gonna listen to your macro content, like and you you kinda just get this, like, you know, podcasting dividend that just comes back to you full circle.

48:25Jeremy I found that the yield is, I mean, the yield is

48:28Richard Greaser We're going to the same place. You go. The yield is having a good marriage. The yield is being able to afford your taxes. Like, there there's a benefit. It's not like you're listening to 40 HPW for no reason. No. You're you're listening to 40 HPW to be able to show up in your life, do your job as a man or as a woman. It it equips you Yeah. To be the person you wanna be.

48:53Rob Hamilton Listening to forty hours of Bitcoin podcast per week is how you get your HDL cholesterol above 100. There's a lot of people out there who are trying to raise their cholesterol. They're they're taking creatine. They're eating tallow,

49:09Rob Hamilton but they're leaving out the hard part, which is forty hours per week, and that's the only way you're gonna do it.

49:15Richard Greaser True. Well said.

49:16Jeremy Yeah. The real 40 HPW yield isn't friend coin. It's friend friend.

49:24Rob Hamilton That's Yeah. A live word. It's a friend. Yeah. It's the friends you make along the way. It's the it's the group chats you form along the way. I I wanna point out real quick. So,

49:36Richard Greaser miss Hoddle liked this tweet. And I don't know if you saw that picture of miss Hoddle With the shot. This week. For oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. No. Yeah. If if there's if there's a picture that encapsulate encapsulates a woman who listens to 40 HPW,

49:52Richard Greaser it's that picture

49:53Jeremy right there. Absolutely. Take a seat, Fundamentals. Woah. We've got a we've got a Come on through. Fundamentals is here. Yep. Yep. Hey.

50:04Evan Kaloudis Alright. Let's go Knicks. Man, the only thing that's even knocking you off, listen to forty hours a week, New York Knicks.

50:13Rob Hamilton Fundamentals was getting his, his forty hours per weekend.

50:18Fundamentals What's going on?

50:22Rob Hamilton There he is. Alright. What'd you guys say? You were just saying you were listening to your podcast before you came to the podcast.

50:29Evan Kaloudis Does that count doubly? Like, we didn't get to the bottom of it. The first. Record. I take two x credit for listening to my own podcast. Okay. Yeah. Okay. But what if I don't listen and I just record, like, right now? Like, is this counting towards my forty eight? One x. Yeah. One x. Yeah. But what if I the exact speed you like listening at?

50:48Rob Hamilton When Evan's talking, it's actually a little slower. Yeah. People are adjusting their their speed.

50:57Jeremy Yeah. What's wrong with my player right now? It's supposed to be at one x, but why is it coming out at point eight?

51:05Rob Hamilton Yeah. What's going on?

51:08Evan Kaloudis It's not enough creatine, honestly.

51:10Fundamentals I think I might hey, Brian. You want some? We got we got cherry ice. I might need some, man, from We just cracked it. I'm about to, like, murder myself from sitting in that traffic. It's, like, unreal.

51:21Evan Kaloudis It's brutal.

51:23Fundamentals I get you know? Yeah. So you do your own podcast. That's one x. Then you go back and listen to it. Mhmm. That's another x.

51:30Jeremy But the the traffic helps you listen to more podcasts. It definitely helps you listen in one x. It means the problem is listening

51:40Rob Hamilton listening to your own podcast is negative entropy. That's the problem.

51:46Richard Greaser I had that problem. So listening to your own is negative. Yeah. I was linking some clip from a podcast I was on, and I caught myself. I had listened to, like, 20 of myself talking, and I went to the bugle guys and said this is the problem because I'm now, like, absorbing in, like, a circular feedback loop, and they prescribed me an extra ten hours to kind of offset the entropy. I had to kind of, like, overdose to try and, like, reduce the, like, feedback loop radiation.

52:09Fundamentals Are we sure that we like entropy in podcasts?

52:13Richard Greaser Say more. Absolutely.

52:15Fundamentals I mean, I know Rod. Rod look. Rod's got a good batting average. Forty hours per week. Always gets credit for that. Comes up with some good bangers. I'm not sure. Well so I know you're trying to get this entropy concept going.

52:31Richard Greaser I'm not sure I like it. Is it kinda like overtraining? Like, you lift too much too fast, you end up hurting yourself? Like, you have to kind of build a tolerance to get up that high? I mean, entropy is good for something you want to be that you you wanna be random. Yeah. Like my Bitcoin keys.

52:45Evan Kaloudis Yeah. But the but the problem the problem with with the entropy is that, you know, there's a lot of up and coming talent in the podcast circuit, but not all of them stay the course. You know what I mean? Like, some of them are like, okay. I'm gonna go get a job at Kinko's instead of Bitcoin. I'm gonna do a fish podcast.

53:02Rob Hamilton Yeah. Like, when you're putting that signal, you kinda don't want entropy. You want sick you know? You want a signal. No. Listen. Listen. What's what is that term that Taleb talks about where it's like a small amount of disorder and, like, the small amount of poison that actually makes you stronger, actually makes you antifragile. You need the entropy to confuse your your muscles, to confuse the the pathways in your mind.

53:25Fundamentals It's it's still Did you know how many guys actually killed themselves thinking they were just, like, getting accustomed to a poison?

53:31Richard Greaser You hear about this guy that, got bit by 250 venomous snakes, and now his blood is used as, like, anti venom? Kinda feel like that's me with the universal anti venom. Yeah. He he's, like, universal anti venom now because he's been bitten by 250 snakes. And I kind of view that to my podcast consumption. I consume so much when so when people meet me, they get, like, concentrated, like, two x time of forty hours per week because I'm, like, doing a community service by helping them compress it all. Failing it. Yeah. That's amazing. I just feel like there was no debate. We got I think the entropy thing got foisted onto us. Interesting. And the bugle's starting to sell work around it now. They're just trying to, like, push the It sounds good. It does sound good. I kind of agreed with it when I first did it. I'm like, yeah. Sure. Entropy. When when you first listen to the bugle,

54:14Rob Hamilton it sounds like nonsense. It sounds like AI slop. It sounds like entropy. But the more you listen, the more order starts to be compressed and it's you start to notice the patterns. When you get out into the edges of your Bitcoin podcast content comfort zone, it seems like chaos. It seems like entropy,

54:34Rob Hamilton but only until you push further out that you start to realize it's actually signal. Signal that your antenna just didn't have enough power to pick up originally. And that's how that's that's really the the the point of entropy is the way I see it.

54:53Fundamentals It's I mean, you really described listening to fish too just now.

54:59Rob Hamilton Right. Does that sound like nonsense? When you first listen to fish, you're like, what's this? This is like hippie jazz. Like, what the fuck am I listening to? But you start you start to notice the patterns that you just weren't equipped to notice your first time through. That's why so many people, they they are introduced to Bitcoin. They dismiss it because they just it's too much entropy for them. They can't handle that much entropy. It's just too too many numbers, too much too much hacks, too much craziness, But it starts to come together the more that you absorb it.

55:29Evan Kaloudis You guys are wild men. Something great team back here. Our producer is saying to take it easy on the creatine.

55:35Fundamentals This is a wild green room. Ourselves.

55:38Evan Kaloudis I mean, the bad part is we don't have a lot of air circulation in here. Is that a risk of creatine, by the way? Oh, yeah. A hundred percent. It is? Is it? But we're dedicated to I never heard that. I've heard yeah. I never heard that.

55:50Richard Greaser Oh, yeah. Only if you have the the stupid flavored stuff like Evan's got. So fundamentals, I got a couple questions for you. So you're you're gonna meet the event. Correct? Hell yeah.

56:03Rod Palmer Hell, yeah. Preaching habits.

56:05Richard Greaser That's why I hear you. So Yeah. You have you have you or do you have any plans to teach Evan how to do math?

56:17Fundamentals I'm everything I'm building

56:20Rob Hamilton is to teach Evan math. Yeah. Yeah. For those of you who don't know fundamentals, fundamentals not only does he listen to forty hours of Bitcoin podcasts per week, he also produces eighty or forty hours per week, I guess, when you do the back to back, but then he also does forty hours of math homework per week.

56:39Rob Hamilton So, tell him a little bit about forty hours of math homework because math homework doesn't end in college. It doesn't end in in high school. It it extends to your podcast career. At least now it does. Thank you. Thanks to fundamentals. So tell them about that fundamentals. It's Evan, get your get your notepad

56:56Richard Greaser get your notepad out for this answer, Evan.

56:59Fundamentals Well, it's it's it's interesting because Evan is a very technical I'm standing with very technical people. You know? Evan and Rob are extremely technical, but, you know, the math never ends. It's the and, you know, the math isn't about executing lightning, you know

57:17Jeremy Obviously.

57:19Richard Greaser Or, you know, getting Lloyd's of London to approve your products. They made me promise I wouldn't talk insurance that came on the show. But, like,

57:26Fundamentals I mean, you know, at the core of it at the core of it, math first of all, math isn't what people think. People think math is, like, crunching numbers, you know, the kind of thing, like, accountants are good at. And, that's just untrue. Math is really it's it's how you gain conviction in yourself, your own reasoning, and it may not even be computation.

57:50Fundamentals This is the least funny part of this whole thing, I'm I'm assuming. Right?

57:55Richard Greaser I think Yeah. It's like What do you mean? For for you, math is like reading Atlas Shrugged is for me.

58:01Fundamentals It's part yeah. And it's you know, it is like reading Atlas Shrugged in a certain way. And then there's this discovery process where, you know, you really are trying to unlock the secrets of the universe. You don't know what you don't really know why you're learning math. You just know that you're gonna discover something, like, awesome. You're like it's you're like, you know, sailing across the Atlantic Ocean, not knowing when you're gonna hit land, and you do it for years and years and years. Every day, you grind it out.

58:32Fundamentals And then one day, you hit land. You discover something unbelievable, and then you get back to work again. Wasn't that fun?

58:43Rob Hamilton Do you I know one thing that Bitcoin influencers and podcasters don't do is they don't pat themselves on the back enough. Do you think that mathematicians, when they discover something new, there should be more back patting?

58:58Fundamentals They should, but they're, like, they're so beaten down that they don't think to do it. You know? The typically, culturally, the mathematicians that pat themselves on the back are frauds. You know? They're just trying to take credit for something somebody else something somebody else did.

59:18Fundamentals So a lot of good videos on Leibnitz and Newton and the the discovery of calculus. And, like, they really did do it at the same time, but then they did nothing but fight about, like, who should get the credit. It was all Newton.

59:32Jeremy It was all Newton. Like,

59:34Fundamentals Newton had the London society of like, London Newton had, like, the entire government of London, like, issue a proclamation that he discovered calculus. Status.

59:44Rob Hamilton Yeah. He he actually had a few minutes. He created

59:48Jeremy a trial and actually had Leibniz come to England to be on trial. Even though Leibniz didn't care, and it was, quote, unquote, proven through court that, that Newton came up with it first.

1:00:02Rob Hamilton Yes. Prove it. He was like all that. Newton was changing out to to

1:00:07Richard Greaser prove it.

1:00:08Rob Hamilton He was like the OG Craig Wright.

1:00:11Evan Kaloudis Mhmm. Yeah. Basically.

1:00:12Fundamentals I mean, he at least Newton did you know, Newton did accomplish these things. It's just that he didn't do it he wasn't the only one. You know? Leibniz was there. It's not like yeah. This is a bad analogy. Sorry. Craig Wright didn't do anything, but basically find people who are productive and sue them.

1:00:34Jeremy Are we sure?

1:00:37Fundamentals I love when questions start like that. Are we sure Are we sure what?

1:00:42Jeremy Is that Craig Wright? Wright then also discover Bitcoin?

1:00:46Richard Greaser Yes. Yeah. Well, I I think the debate sure. I know. The debate on the shuttle.

1:00:51Rod Palmer I know we're sure. We know we're sure. We know we're sure. Gavin wasn't sure.

1:00:55Richard Greaser Gavin got tricked. He wasn't sure, and that's why they took his keys away. I saw Craig Wright was calling David Thomas. All know thing. I'm happy we're all in agreement on that.

1:01:05Richard Greaser Well, we all know Peter Todd is Satoshi.

1:01:10Fundamentals Oh, I knew yeah. That's for sure. Do you think that Satoshi has sex? I was listening to this in traffic, by the way. This is it proves that I was listening. You were listening. Yeah. Core Dev should be able to have sex. But the Did Satoshi have sex sex while he was working on Bitcoin?

1:01:26Jeremy There's a few times where he codes at, like, 1AM. That's probably like a cool down

1:01:32Rob Hamilton a sex cool down. It's like his cigarette. Yeah. Yeah. His after sex cigarette was his, like, coating c plus plus. Or foreplay to wind up. Did he did he fuck? Oh.

1:01:42Fundamentals This guy fucks.

1:01:44Evan Kaloudis That's a shirt, guys. Yeah. Satoshi

1:01:46Richard Greaser fucks.

1:01:48Fundamentals I mean, it would be interesting if he had if he actually had a child while he was making big like, he put a baby in somebody while he was married. He he came up with he came up with OPCAT after going down on a woman that he met at the bar. Baby would be, like, 15 years old now and be ready to come and claim that they're the child of Satoshi. Like, Satoshi was banging

1:02:10Evan Kaloudis somebody. 15? Could be Ben Carmen. Could be Ben Carmen. Satoshi's my dad. 15 years old?

1:02:20Rob Hamilton What if what if Satoshi's child turns 18 and the 1,000,000 Bitcoin unlocks and goes to him?

1:02:28Richard Greaser Pretty sick. So coin joined Chris in the chat, makes a good point. Satoshi fucked the banking system. It's true.

1:02:34Fundamentals Oh. Yeah. But that did he didn't blow him. Oh. That's it's a it's a you know? I don't know. That's a good point. Maybe he didn't complete.

1:02:43Richard Greaser He never spent the coin, so who knows? Yeah.

1:02:45Jeremy That's that's another shirt.

1:02:47Rob Hamilton Is CoinJoin Chris gonna come to satirize the system? We could maybe have CoinJoin Chris take on all the, nonstandard sized wrestlers. It'll be like, you know, that would be a cool

1:02:60Fundamentals Yeah. That's what I mean. Yeah. Yeah. We're gonna coin join the wrestlers into a full fledged

1:03:06Richard Greaser wrestler. That's right.

1:03:08Richard Greaser Like, Wolfshark? Are are the ceilings high enough, Jeremy, for CoinJoin Chris to fit in the venue?

1:03:16Jeremy Yeah. I'm starting to think of it as maybe, like, an obstacle that they can, like, jump off of rather than, you know, an opponent or something like that. It's one more layer of

1:03:26Evan Kaloudis ring for them to be able to do things with. And then the seed hammers could be a good wrestling prop too. Oh. You don't wanna get hit by that thing. It's heavy.

1:03:35Fundamentals Would it have been bad for the Bitcoin project? We could have coin join, Chris. If Satoshi was banging an Uggo.

1:03:42Richard Greaser Uggo? Yes. Oh.

1:03:44Fundamentals An ugly woman. An ugly girl? It wouldn't have been bad for the project. Man. I mean, and, you know, maybe the CIA took care of her because they wanted Bitcoin to succeed.

1:03:58Rob Hamilton What if they what if what if what if they came out as Satoshi had sex with Janet Yellen?

1:04:04Fundamentals Yeah. That's why she's so mad. That's why she's so mad, scorned lovers. That's why she Yeah. She And she broke up the mushrooms. You know? You

1:04:13Rod Palmer know?

1:04:14Richard Greaser In China? Satoshi, like, screwed her up for life. Like, she never recovered from it. Quintin' toying Chris as he can make himself fit into 80 bytes. No problem. I hope he'll be standard.

1:04:27Fundamentals There aren't enough podcasts talking about Satoshi having sex. It's true. We could all agree on that. Right? Yeah.

1:04:35Richard Greaser I heard that there's, like, a now a date light dating Bitcoin or dating podcast now. I haven't listened to it yet. Was it one of the people guys were you guys linking me yet?

1:04:46Fundamentals Because we know

1:04:47Richard Greaser Internet. Oh, no. Yeah. We're frozen.

1:04:51Evan Kaloudis Oh, god. Damn.

1:04:54Rob Hamilton Sorry. It was my subject matter. You came back to bed at all. Yeah. You guys were frozen for a second.

1:04:60Evan Kaloudis You know what? We were talking about some non potty It was pretty deep out, but they pulled the plug on us. Let's guys, let's stay within the lanes, you know? Yeah. We're getting censored here. We're being filtered.

1:05:14Richard Greaser We were talking about there's a Bitcoin gaming podcast. Right? You guys look into that. So let's talk about the event.

1:05:20Richard Greaser Let's talk about the event again. So we we have some new, listeners jump in the chat. Guys, we're doing an event in Vegas. It's gonna be the best thing ever. We all know you're bored.

1:05:33Richard Greaser We all know you're bored of the same stuff. You've you've heard the same speakers say the same things. Like, how many times do you wanna hear Jeff Booth talk about Macro Say the same thing. You already heard him say what he said on his podcast. You want something different.

1:05:46Rob Hamilton You wanna come to Vegas. You need some entropy.

1:05:49Richard Greaser Yeah. You need some entropy, which is why you should go to satirize the system. Vegas, Wednesday night at the nerd. Buy a ticket on,

1:06:02Richard Greaser the link below the stream that I posted there, and have a good time. You'll be able to hang out with us. If any of you want to start a Bitcoin podcast, you can ask me questions in person. I'll I'll advise you. I'll I'll show you how to run a live stream off a typewriter. Good. It's really exciting. About that.

1:06:19Jeremy I mean, listen. Developers aren't the only ones not having sex. So there's a lot of people showing up to this conference that might be showing up alone to events, and I think we're throwing the best event to do that at. There's only so many times you can walk into a room, and there's nothing to do except for talk to people and go up to somebody and say, so what about off return?

1:06:44Jeremy Only so many times you can do that. At our place, you can go play a video game for a little bit. This is gonna be

1:06:53Rob Hamilton really good for the the orange cells.

1:06:56Jeremy That's right. You can speaking of, you can go impress everybody with your your, you know, mechanical penis riding skills. Is there a game where you resist getting hard from,

1:07:07Fundamentals looking at Dennis?

1:07:09Richard Greaser It's like, how long can you go?

1:07:13Rob Hamilton Well, yeah. Well, there's a there's a mechanical penis. It's gonna it's kept hard by Dennis Porter's tweets. It's gonna be scrolling on the timeline, so you could pop a boner while you're riding a boner.

1:07:23Richard Greaser It's like maybe Are you all the people that are speeding in that game? Game make me hard.

1:07:28Jeremy Two games at once. There's a there's a camera set up. So when you get off the ride, it zooms in and takes a picture, and whoever is most flaccid wins is is, I think, what we're going for. So you sounds like the worth the price of admission alone. That's What would be your strategy for staying soft in the presence of the picture of Dennis?

1:07:48Evan Kaloudis Baseball,

1:07:49Fundamentals a 100%. Think about the Mets. How about the Mets? Good right now. That's baseball doesn't work because we're too good. The Mets are, like, the best team in baseball right now. That is true. I just I maybe,

1:07:60Jeremy just what about that pope? Just focus, focus, focus. What are we gonna do? What's gonna happen?

1:08:06Fundamentals That might get me through. Who's your pick for pope? This is this is an interesting point. I'm Jewish. I don't get a pick.

1:08:13Evan Kaloudis Do you, though? Oh, the Jewish I think you might, actually.

1:08:16Fundamentals I mean, I'm sure there are Jews making an argument for why we do, but, you know, I try to respect the boundaries there. You know? Okay. Well,

1:08:26Richard Greaser you if you wanna go to the Christmas party or This or something. Interesting point that you guys brought up about Dennis. I wanna go to the Christmas party. Dennis has not been allowed at the Bitcoin conference for, like, three years in a row. Dennis is not allowed to the conference. I think part of the reason why, because David Bailey really wants women to show up, really wants crypto finally to feel comfortable there, and, not get pictures of her butt taken.

1:08:52Richard Greaser And if Dennis is walking around and all the dudes are hard, it's it's really just not a very, you know, friendly place for the ladies. It's a problem.

1:09:04Fundamentals It's to derandify the event then.

1:09:09Richard Greaser It's too Evan, Evan, how long do you think you could withstand how long do you think you could withstand getting hard looking at a Dennis poll order, Polish tweet, breaking tweet?

1:09:21Jeremy At least thirty seconds.

1:09:23Evan Kaloudis My lawyers advised me not to answer that question. We talked about it the same.

1:09:29Rob Hamilton Full disclosure. I'm not I'm not allowed to be. People people go to people think that? Yo. Is it because you're Jewish? They go to London and they try reasonable thing.

1:09:41Evan Kaloudis Well

1:09:42Rob Hamilton People go to London and they try to make the the the the guard, the, castle guard. They try to make them laugh. They try to make them break character. Dennis Porter walks by, and they all have to turn around because their pants get tighter, and they get boners as he walks by. And that's why he's also not allowed in The UK.

1:10:05Richard Greaser The last time that Dennis went on, what Bitcoin did, it was a disaster.

1:10:12Jeremy What do you mean?

1:10:15Richard Greaser Tight pants? Well, he had to he had to travel there, you know? And it it was very problematic for all these, British people with very sensitive feelings.

1:10:27Fundamentals They didn't know why they were experiencing the feelings they were. They weren't ready for, they just weren't ready for Dennis.

1:10:35Richard Greaser I was, working in the area. It'd probably be Dennis comes walking down the street. You never seen him before. You just feel the bullish energy. All of a sudden, you start getting a wreck. You know, it's probably a similar experience as somebody, dropping a Viagra in your in your drink at the bar or without your consent.

1:10:54Rob Hamilton It's a mental roofie.

1:10:55Fundamentals You probably assume that's what happened.

1:10:59Jeremy A British guy I know described Brits as, there there's this extreme anxiety about social situations and everything needing to be right and needing to be going on well. And so what they do in their minds is the exact opposite. They start thinking about, what if I just, like, slap that drink out of the person's hand? And this is their inner demons that they fight against. So this is really lining up. Intrusive thoughts. They're letting they're letting them win constantly. He's just walking through the room immediately, the amount of, like, thoughts that are going through these people's heads as far as what they think is the worst case scenario. I don't even wanna know. Oh, because it's so hard just to live.

1:11:38Fundamentals And then you have Dennis come in and make everybody hard, and they're like they they just can't he'll hold it together anymore. They're already holding it together on a thread. Yeah.

1:11:47Richard Greaser That's why Americans have to Did you guys see Dennis's, do you see Dennis's take on the on the opera turn draw?

1:11:56Jeremy No. Please tell me. This is what I I'm I am failing. I I should have gone there first. This is a major failure in in my OP return research. Please fill me in.

1:12:11Richard Greaser Well, yeah. I mean, it it was really interesting. So he he claimed to have been the the the deciding factor of the block size war when he chose the the small blocks.

1:12:21Fundamentals Mhmm. Ironic.

1:12:23Richard Greaser And, yeah. He he didn't he didn't necessarily flag it flag aside, on this one. Yeah. But but he did

1:12:35Rob Hamilton go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. He said, consider yourself lucky to witness some of the most brilliant people in the world debate changes to the most important monetary network in history. So, you know, Dennis said is saying like, you are consider yourself lucky to see, you know, all the knots, groupies, you know,

1:12:57Rob Hamilton to see Peter Todd, shit nobody calling people retarded. Like, don't think of this as drama that you want to avoid. Consider yourself lucky to see these debates happening in real time because they're gonna write a book about it, the op return wars in a couple years. And all the noobs are gonna come in. They're gonna be reading that. They're gonna be listening to it, narrated by Guy Swan or like AI Guy Swan at that point. And they're gonna look back at our tweets, and they're gonna wish they were here and they were a part of this.

1:13:28Jeremy You're right. I I really resonate with that. Just take a step back and take it all in, like like seeing a beautiful mountain top after the clouds part or the birth of a child. Just take a step back right now and watch Shinobi yell at people and just realize

1:13:48Richard Greaser Have you guys been doing I need two microphones. Have you guys been doing transactions right now? Because, twenty minutes ago, 2,300 coins from the Silk Road just moved. They had been dormant for twelve years. There's a Is that you guys at the bugle? There's a reason why I started this fifteen minutes late.

1:14:06Rob Hamilton It was Ross it was Ross buying tickets to satirize the system.

1:14:12Evan Kaloudis Yo. What's the capacity on the nerd?

1:14:15Jeremy You guys are about to fill that bitch up. There was a a super secret VIP pass that was exactly 2,003 coins. Woo. Yeah. Awesome. It was it was, $24.07, access to the mechanical wiener. Oh, that's true.

1:14:33Rod Palmer Yeah.

1:14:37Evan Kaloudis Alright. Guys, we gotta get rolling tuned for bit devs, but Jeremy gave me reminded me of a question I wanted to ask as he was talking about mountaintops. Right? Okay. That's Dennis. Not me. That's Dennis. He was quoting DP. What or rather, who is on your Bitcoin

1:14:60Evan Kaloudis podcasting Mount Rushmore?

1:15:04Richard Greaser Just like you're smoking a cigarette. Yeah. I'm had a poll went in right there. John Seth. Who? Yes. Peter McCormick. I'm trying to think how do you round out the for the four faces. And, you know, try not to be too flattering. Just say Dick and Rod right there. Just like the final two.

1:15:24Evan Kaloudis Maybe they split them. Maybe. Yeah. But you can't put their faces on there, can you? Maybe you can.

1:15:29Richard Greaser You can get creative with it. I mean I mean, Rod's face doxed himself, so he's pretty open about that. He was posting his body for the, Bitcoin Beachpod, calendar that they're putting together. Yeah. That's right.

1:15:40Evan Kaloudis At

1:15:41Richard Greaser least those two for sure.

1:15:44Jeremy That's why every every mountain is a map of Russian war for victory.

1:15:49Rob Hamilton Does it have to be a podcast, or could it be a recurring guest? Because I would put Lyn Alden on there if you can pick the guest. Lynn Alden. An interview. Macro.

1:15:57Richard Greaser Yeah. Culture. You got politics with Peter. Lynn Alden. It's a tough one to round up in the fourth.

1:16:07Richard Greaser Anyway, I'm on quality. I would I would put, yeah, I put Dennis Porter. Dennis Porter. Yeah. I'd put Lynn Alden. Dennis Porter. I put true Heather. I don't know if you guys knew this, but true Heather is doing a Bitcoin dating podcast. Yeah. Teaching all the orange shells how to date. Pretty wild. I haven't lived in point of work right there.

1:16:30Richard Greaser I'm actually pretty entropy deficient on that. I got that cut out.

1:16:34Richard Greaser I don't like this map of Goomba episode.

1:16:36Evan Kaloudis Why not? What's wrong with the question? They're status. There's, like, let's let's carve a bunch of president's faces into a mountain. The state doesn't have to do it. We could do it voluntarily. You know? I understand. Think about how many podcasts you can listen to while you're carving out the We could have the the Bitcoin podcast, Mount Rushmore. We can have yeah. We can have we can have Brekkie,

1:16:56Rob Hamilton chisel We don't need to chisel in contact. To a mountain for us.

1:16:59Evan Kaloudis Yeah. Brekkie would do it. Oh, man. We need our own thing.

1:17:04Jeremy You know?

1:17:05Rob Hamilton They're like this Yeah. Someone's from Mount Rushmore. That's our own thing.

1:17:09Fundamentals Okay. Orange people are Transmoor. Up up Rushmore. We're being we're being told to stop. We probably should. Yeah.

1:17:22Richard Greaser Well, it's good timing.

1:17:24Fundamentals Oh, yeah. Everybody listening will go. Maybe the organizer of this meetup shouldn't be in in a different continent right now.

1:17:30Richard Greaser Yeah. Right? I got invited from Tom and was told, by the way, I'm not gonna be here.

1:17:36Fundamentals But, yes, I think I think we should respect the,

1:17:39Evan Kaloudis yeah, respect the meetup. That is what you guys are here for. It's alright. We got a thing going on. To sabotage. Unlock. Go and wear it. You're in safe hands. We're gonna we're gonna crush it. We're just gonna talk about opportune for two hours and then call it a night.

1:17:52Rob Hamilton Tom to sanitize the system. Go it's Wednesday, May 28 at the Nerd on Fremont Street, seven to 11PM. Mount Standard Size Wrestling, panels, fireside, Evanford Ziswold will be there, Rob Hamilton will be there, Not KYC video games.

1:18:14Rob Hamilton VIP smoking balcony. Everything.

1:18:18Evan Kaloudis Sick. Buy tickets for trivia? Free samurai. Free samurai?

1:18:24Richard Greaser No. Non KYC cigarettes. Bring them in.

1:18:29Fundamentals Do we mention the '21? They'll come until

1:18:32Rob Hamilton yeah.

1:18:38Richard Greaser There's a rumor that there's gonna be a special guest showing up at the event.

1:18:43Evan Kaloudis Rumor has it. Kayley?

1:18:46Richard Greaser Alright. Well, thanks for, coming on guys. And, you know, Evan, I'm a big fan. I use Zeus lightning or Zeus wallet on a daily basis, and and the graphics are unreal. It just all the other lightning wallets out there don't have the cool graphics, blue wallet, Wallace Satoshi,

1:19:08Richard Greaser Phoenix. Phoenix, Zap. You know, Matt Mallers thinks he's a super genius for having coded Zap in a night or whatever he says. No cool graphics whatsoever. What a loser. No graphics.

1:19:22Evan Kaloudis And, you know, by the end of twenty twenty five, maybe you'll get some transactions working too. Or Well hear me out. Bugle net

1:19:34Evan Kaloudis support, and we'll be cooking with gas.

1:19:38Richard Greaser I I get most of my transactions to work. And and when they don't, there there's cool graphics, so I'm entertained.

1:19:44Evan Kaloudis Oh my god. He admits it? It works most of the time? Alright. I'm let's end on that. I know. I'll fucking get out of here. Thanks for having me on, guys. Thanks everyone watching.

1:19:55Richard Greaser Thanks for tuning tuning in to this, special edition. Maybe we'll do it again. Wednesday. Bye bye. Take it from me. Have sex. Buy tickets to the event. Buy tickets.

1:20:09Rob Hamilton Have sex.