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   +title: "Transcript: Scaling With Paper Bitcoin ft. 21 Media, Evan Kaloudis, and Rob Hamilton"
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   +date: 2025-05-09
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-0">0:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-0" data-t="0">To just,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1" data-t="1">do</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2" data-t="2">a line of Coke, and and I did that off screen.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-7">0:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-7" data-t="7">Alright.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-8">0:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-8" data-t="8">I did a live stream.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-11">0:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-11" data-t="11">I'm live now.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-13" data-t="13">I believe</span> <span class="cue" id="t-14" data-t="14">let me go over to Twitter and, yep. It says we're live on Twitter. And let me check</span> <span class="cue" id="t-21" data-t="21">the zap.stream.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-23" data-t="23">It says offline.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-26" data-t="26">Haven't been able to figure that one out. Alright. Well, I'll have to take another whack at zap.stream</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-31">0:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-31" data-t="31">next time. But, yeah. Hey.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-33" data-t="33">This is Richard Greaser tuning in from</span> <span class="cue" id="t-37" data-t="37">very</span> <span class="cue" id="t-38" data-t="38">interesting, undisclosed location. I would I would call it,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-43" data-t="43">Ground 0 for the intellectual silk Road.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-46" data-t="46">I'm not gonna say where I'm at am, but I'm in a big, giant room.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-51">0:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-51" data-t="51">Been struggling with some technical difficulties.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-54" data-t="54">Kaylee Welch is not with me to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-57" data-t="57">help fix my my setup. But, yeah. Joining us is, Jeremy for twenty one Media.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-64" data-t="64">You probably hear the red noise in the background.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-67" data-t="67">We got Jeremy from twenty one Media,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-70" data-t="70">who is putting on the event,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-72">1:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-72" data-t="72">in Vegas.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-74" data-t="74">And, we've got Rob Hamilton, and I told him he's not allowed to talk about mini script</span> <span class="cue" id="t-79" data-t="79">or Anchor Watch. And then</span> <span class="cue" id="t-82" data-t="82">we've got Evan Kalupis,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-84" data-t="84">who's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-85" data-t="85">this Greek guy.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-91">1:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-91" data-t="91">He he works on the Lightning Network. He hasn't figured out yet that the best way to scale Bitcoin is with, paper Bitcoin. So he's still doing the Lightning stuff.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-100">1:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-100" data-t="100">Oh, I I That's not entirely true.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-103">1:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-103" data-t="103">Dude, you don't Zeus just added paper Bitcoin support.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-107">1:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-107" data-t="107">I got tired of you guys bullying me.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-109">1:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-109" data-t="109">So I'm like, okay. Let's do it. I was just gonna say,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-112" data-t="112">I I wanted to create a lightning app, which is just a front end. It was it's it's not connected to the Internet, and it just simulates</span> <span class="cue" id="t-120" data-t="120">a transaction failing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-122" data-t="122">And that's all it does.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-124" data-t="124">And nobody would know the difference between that and another and a regular lightning wallet. And I think I could you could really you could really launch a successful podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-134" data-t="134">off of that fake business. And how do you stop that from happening? How do you prove to people that Lightning does work sometimes?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-142">2:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-142" data-t="142">You could market that as the most custodial,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-145" data-t="145">Lightning wallet.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-147" data-t="147">It it it fails 100% of the time.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-151">2:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-151" data-t="151">I like it. The truest custodial lightning wallet</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-156">2:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-156" data-t="156">made by the Google. Though. Are you guys gonna you guys have an animation guy?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-161">2:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-161" data-t="161">We can get one.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-163" data-t="163">We can get one. We can,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-166" data-t="166">everything's possible. We as long as we don't have to actually connect it to the Internet and make it work, we can we can upgrade</span> <span class="cue" id="t-172" data-t="172">the, user interface in the UX constantly. We can add new releases all the time. It'll just always get better.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-179">2:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-179" data-t="179">Have you done that? That is my favorite it's my favorite part about Zeus Wallet is when I have a lightning transaction</span> <span class="cue" id="t-185" data-t="185">failed a route, there's some pretty damn cool graphics</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-189">3:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-189" data-t="189">going on.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-191">3:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-191" data-t="191">That's a that's I think you should I think you should market it as a privacy feature that every time you try to record</span> <span class="cue" id="t-198" data-t="198">yourself using Zeus Wallet,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-200" data-t="200">it fails so that nobody could ever and, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-204" data-t="204">the the privacy is perfect. It's a privacy feature. It it knows it's being watched.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-209">3:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-209" data-t="209">I think we could whip that up.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-212" data-t="212">That's, like, a good hacking project. Yeah. But I was gonna I was gonna bring it back.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-217" data-t="217">You know, offline is cool,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-219" data-t="219">but have you guys thought of potentially having your own</span> <span class="cue" id="t-223" data-t="223">Bitcoin network? Like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-225" data-t="225">BugleNet, maybe?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-228">3:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-228" data-t="228">Yeah. Actually, we we've discussed doing I was talking about that with some folks today at the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-234" data-t="234">the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-235" data-t="235">Bitcoin little hangout spot that I'm at, off grid hangout spot. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-239" data-t="239">we're talking about doing a intellectual Silk Road,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-243" data-t="243">eCash, which</span> <span class="cue" id="t-245" data-t="245">I guess would be a little bit different.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-247">4:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-247" data-t="247">But Can we can we make that to default into Zeus, you know, since we're adding paper Bitcoin?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-253" data-t="253">Or you gotta be okay with that? I mean,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-256">4:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-256" data-t="256">yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-258" data-t="258">I mean, that'd be fine. I mean, the graphics are probably cooler than whatever Tali's making.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-263">4:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-263" data-t="263">Oh, yeah. I mean, that goes Definitely. What you're saying.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-267">4:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-267" data-t="267">I'm sure the op Rob Rob.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-269" data-t="269">You guys have some pretty good Rob added us.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-271">4:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-271" data-t="271">For your own bugle. Rob added me to a to a Feda Mint,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-276" data-t="276">a few months ago, and we got rugged. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-280" data-t="280">Rob Rob rug this.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-282">4:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-282" data-t="282">Not insured.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-285" data-t="285">I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-286" data-t="286">You guys probably deserved it, though. Right?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-290">4:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-290" data-t="290">It was in the Fetti app with the, group chat. So it was a shitposting chat, and then we realized we were just zapping each other fake Bitcoin because of the mint shutdown.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-301">5:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-301" data-t="301">That was pretty cool.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-303">5:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-303" data-t="303">Okay. Well, let's talk about was it. Let's talk about what we're doing. No. It was the the free the Madeira one or whatever that I was using for a while and got shut down. Alright, guys. You know, I'm losing some steam. Let let's talk about what we're doing here. What are we doing here, guys? I think I think Evan's doing something special right now. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-321" data-t="321">Oh, shit.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-322" data-t="322">Some creatine.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-324" data-t="324">You know, I put some of my tea, please. Thank you. Oh, wow. He's cracking the seal. Yeah. I need</span> <span class="cue" id="t-330" data-t="330">Oh, of course.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-331">5:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-331" data-t="331">Peace. Smart and lighter. Evan looks like he doesn't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-334" data-t="334">of course. Like, of course, Evan has a seal on his creatine. He doesn't look like he actually takes creatine.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-340" data-t="340">He just brought it for the stream.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-342">5:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-342" data-t="342">Oh, me? Uh-huh. What do you think, man? Yeah. Come on. You don't see these games? That's that's</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-347">5:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-347" data-t="347">that whole bucket is one morning</span> <span class="cue" id="t-350" data-t="350">dose.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-352">5:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-352" data-t="352">Yeah. And that doesn't mean account if you're loading. It's going off the shelf, and I I brought</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-357">5:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-357" data-t="357">Rob and Jeremy. It's maybe the first first time on a Bitcoin podcast doing live creatine.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-365">6:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-365" data-t="365">Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I love grape creatine. Thank you for doing that. It's cherry ice, dude.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-374">6:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-374" data-t="374">Alright. Well, I'm only ever do the unflavored</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-377">6:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-377" data-t="377">one. I only ever did. Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-381" data-t="381">I actually just donated a five pound tub of unflavored to Bitcoin Park. Because, out in the kitchenette, anyone in 19 Building 1912 where the, the other building is, you, there's a whole five pound tub there. You're welcome to go for it.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-394">6:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-394" data-t="394">Five pounds? Yeah. Unflavored.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-398" data-t="398">Good.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-400">6:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-400" data-t="400">Very cool. So you guys are putting something up on in Vegas. Right?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-406">6:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-406" data-t="406">Yeah. We're gonna be doing a doing an event. Jeremy, you wanna introduce yourself? I don't I think probably most of the people watching know everybody except for you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-415" data-t="415">Oh, really? What's your deal? Jeez.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-418">6:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-418" data-t="418">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-420" data-t="420">I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-422" data-t="422">I don't know if it if it made it live or not, but I was talking about different habits of form when you work in the, like, the the film media world, which is where I come from before Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-433" data-t="433">and where I was able to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-436" data-t="436">like, after doing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-437" data-t="437">forty hours of podcast</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-441">7:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-441" data-t="441">podcasts every week for years, 2017, 2018,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-444" data-t="444">finally was able to make my way into working in Bitcoin with things like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-448" data-t="448">what Bitcoin did</span> <span class="cue" id="t-450" data-t="450">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-451" data-t="451">some other places, hanging up at Bitcoin Magazine,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-454" data-t="454">getting to know people like this.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-458">7:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-458" data-t="458">Along the way,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-460" data-t="460">when you start down the rabbit hole, you're just taking everything in, and then you start to kind of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-466" data-t="466">form your own ideas on stuff. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-469" data-t="469">and so we're at a point now where we are launching some some shows.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-474" data-t="474">I'm here in Philly, and we got an incredible,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-477" data-t="477">I think below the radar scene here in Philly,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-479">7:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-479" data-t="479">that Rob's got to meet. We've got we we treat our special guests to we've got a Gino sandwich over here. We've got a cannoli from Termini Brothers.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-489" data-t="489">We went to an Irish bar in Fishtown</span> <span class="cue" id="t-492" data-t="492">that has the best Italian food in in Philadelphia,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-496">8:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-496" data-t="496">and the people are I got it. The best part. I gotta say, I walked in here to the bit the the Bitcoin John, like, the monthly bit Philadelphia Bitcoin meetup. It's in the middle of the Grand Palace, like, Chinese restaurant. It's a 400 seat,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-510" data-t="510">like, old like like, traditional Chinese food restaurant. And I was like, this it has a whole stage and everything.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-516">8:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-516" data-t="516">And the stage has the biggest screen you've ever seen in your life for some really serious,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-521">8:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-521" data-t="521">after BitDev's carryover. It gives Bitcoin Park in Nashville a run for its money. You know? It's pretty big. Maybe taller, maybe not as wide, but I think I think it's bigger. Yeah. Bigger? What's the I think it may be. Yeah. That's pretty good. It's a 400 seat restaurant. It's pretty wild.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-536">8:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-536" data-t="536">Yeah. So what are you guys doing? During the the bull run during hyper Bitcoinization, you know?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-542">9:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-542" data-t="542">I was, I saw some videos on on x on the timeline recently. It looked like people in Kensington, Philadelphia</span> <span class="cue" id="t-550" data-t="550">were doing they were injecting creatine into each other. How close are you guys to Kensington?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-555">9:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-555" data-t="555">In it. It it's, it's not really Hell, yeah. You know, they call fit That's an nonjumperable misfits like place. We can walk. It's just that the whole rig doesn't seem equipped to do it. So maybe another day. Right, Jeremy? Yeah. Yeah. I was gonna take Rob around for a little joyride, but we didn't have time. Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-574" data-t="574">Yeah. There's a lot of good creatine out there. Cherry ice, man.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-579">9:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-579" data-t="579">Cherry ice. Yeah. He did. He's been mixing it. We really okay.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-583">9:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-583" data-t="583">I mean, no no pressure. I'm not a steer pressure, Connor. Your energy is doubled. I need I need you guys Oh my god. I need you guys to settle down for a minute. So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-592" data-t="592">let me let me do this for you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-594" data-t="594">So Jeremy over here</span> <span class="cue" id="t-596" data-t="596">started a company called</span> <span class="cue" id="t-598" data-t="598">twenty one Media.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-600" data-t="600">And,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-601">10:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-601" data-t="601">it was really lame.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-603" data-t="603">It was really it was really lame.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-606" data-t="606">Jack Mallers front front ran him. So Jack Mallers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-609" data-t="609">got some insight. He's like, shit. We gotta put the announcement out about our company before Jeremy does,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-615" data-t="615">or else they'll think that, we're copying Jeremy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-619" data-t="619">But, I do know that Jeremy actually picked the name before Jack Mallers did for his company,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-625">10:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-625" data-t="625">because he's been talking about this with me for some time now. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-629" data-t="629">Jeremy's putting on the event,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-631" data-t="631">the premier event</span> <span class="cue" id="t-633" data-t="633">in Las Vegas.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-636" data-t="636">You you might have heard about the Bitcoin conference. That that'll be happening too. But the event to be at</span> <span class="cue" id="t-642" data-t="642">is</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-645">10:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-645" data-t="645">Satire of the System on Fremont Street on Wednesday night</span> <span class="cue" id="t-649" data-t="649">in Vegas. And all five of us on the stream are gonna be there. Maggie Morris is gonna be joining us.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-656" data-t="656">We're gonna be having a a good time. There's gonna be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-660" data-t="660">quite a bit that's happening.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-661">11:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-661" data-t="661">Where's that? We're gonna be live announcing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-664" data-t="664">Mhmm. There's gonna be a trap in the car? We're gonna be we're gonna be live announcing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-669" data-t="669">nonstandard</span> <span class="cue" id="t-670" data-t="670">sized wrestling.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-672" data-t="672">Ninja wrestling from Micromania</span> <span class="cue" id="t-674" data-t="674">is gonna be incredible.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-677">11:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-677" data-t="677">And it's for a specific purpose. This is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-680" data-t="680">this is, the history of Bitcoin is filled with</span> <span class="cue" id="t-685" data-t="685">emotional drama of of loss</span> <span class="cue" id="t-687" data-t="687">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-689" data-t="689">sacrifice and overcoming and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-692" data-t="692">we're going to see some of the most expensive sized people,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-695">11:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-695" data-t="695">play it out so that</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-697">11:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-697" data-t="697">Most importantly, it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-699" data-t="699">the history of being right. We are celebrating that we were right. We're dunking on all the people that doubted us,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-707" data-t="707">and it's gonna be a celebration.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-709">11:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-709" data-t="709">It's shown the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-711" data-t="711">small block sizes and all the downstream consequences of, you know, making sure that we keep that constrained.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-717">11:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-717" data-t="717">You're right. It it is actually a artistic,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-721" data-t="721">support advocacy of small blocks.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-726" data-t="726">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-728" data-t="728">Where was I going with that?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-731" data-t="731">You know, one thing I'm wondering about, you mentioned how Jack Mallers somehow found out about the '21,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-737" data-t="737">and moved quickly.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-739">12:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-739" data-t="739">And we just found out through some credentialed reporting,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-743" data-t="743">I saw on Twitter that it was Dennis Porter that is leaking the, the guests,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-750" data-t="750">for our event.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-751" data-t="751">And now I'm wondering I'm just putting two and two together. Is there does anybody know does Dennis Porter have, like, a line to Jack Mallers? Because he might be at the center of all of this. Well, when you're the CEO of two prominent Bitcoin companies,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-764">12:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-764" data-t="764">I think Dennis Porter is near the top of your, you know, your speed dial. Right? That's where you use for your breaking news. That's where you kinda get all the alpha. And now publicly one of those companies is publicly traded. If you wanna get a man on the markets to kinda help push your narratives, you you gotta have Dennis on speed dial for sure. Yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-780">12:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-780" data-t="780">Well, we're we're gonna forge ahead of you. When Mallers</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-785">13:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-785" data-t="785">when Mallers is going on his Tinder dates, he needs a way to get hard too.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-791">13:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-791" data-t="791">Then he needs to go where the creatine will be.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-794">13:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-794" data-t="794">Jack, I got you, bro.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-797">13:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-797" data-t="797">This is actually really, really good. Yeah. Cherry ice with the green tea. It's really potent. I think it's the first communal creatine on a Bitcoin podcast ever. You know, we like to set standards. Can we make it a Philly special? So so I think it's, I think it's important</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-811">13:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-811" data-t="811">to remember.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-812">13:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-812" data-t="812">I think it's important to remember, guys, there's people watching this stream. And so they're they're kinda curious as to what we're talking about here. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-820" data-t="820">we're doing this event in Vegas. It's gonna be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-823" data-t="823">the most important</span> <span class="cue" id="t-825" data-t="825">event happening this year, in my opinion. It's gonna be a groundbreaking event. It's gonna be the launch of, a new media company,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-832" data-t="832">Twenty One Media,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-835" data-t="835">Jeremy Poli here. Evan Kalupis is gonna be there. And,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-841">14:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-841" data-t="841">so, Evan, what do you do? And you're you're sponsored like, how do you how do you have money?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-846">14:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-846" data-t="846">That's a good question. Sponsoring,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-849">14:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-849" data-t="849">hey. So you're sponsoring the samurai,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-853" data-t="853">fundraiser.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-854" data-t="854">How do you have money to sponsor that?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-858">14:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-858" data-t="858">Craps table.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-860">14:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-860" data-t="860">He he sold me on, there's this E Mint thing that he started, and he's gonna send us that instead of money. And it sounds</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-867">14:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-867" data-t="867">like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-868" data-t="868">It's called raising</span> <span class="cue" id="t-870" data-t="870">capital through equity,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-873" data-t="873">and, we have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-874" data-t="874">a new</span> <span class="cue" id="t-875" data-t="875">venture that's we think it's gonna be pretty,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-878">14:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Fundamentals</b> <span class="cue" id="t-878" data-t="878">you know, equitable.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-880">14:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-880" data-t="880">So Equitable. Plan is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-883" data-t="883">you open the doors,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-885" data-t="885">get everyone in, you funnel them in.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-888" data-t="888">They're making transactions. Right? And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-891" data-t="891">unlike the regular Zeus wallet, these transactions are gonna go through.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-897" data-t="897">The money</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-898">14:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-898" data-t="898">in this lightning node that's gonna be hosting the mint, it's gonna accumulate. Just go up and to the right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-906" data-t="906">We build that hype.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-908" data-t="908">We get the good folks at the bugle</span> <span class="cue" id="t-911" data-t="911">just singing our</span> <span class="cue" id="t-912" data-t="912">high praises,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-914" data-t="914">and then we rug.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-916">15:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-916" data-t="916">And that's when the investors are made full again. Right? So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-920" data-t="920">I really can't afford any fuck ups here, guys, because they're already breathing down my neck. You know? It's like a lot of money we ask for. You know? It's like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-927" data-t="927">you know, it's it's not that it's expensive to run this thing. It's just that we have a lot of How we have a lot of How stressful is it when you go to</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-936">15:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-936" data-t="936">How stressful is it when you go to your investors and they say, I wanna watch this wallet send a lightning transaction</span> <span class="cue" id="t-944" data-t="944">to my phone. And you gotta pull up your custodial lightning wallet and hope that this lightning transaction works in front of the investors. Like, what how do you prepare for that?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-953">15:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-953" data-t="953">I thought we talked about this. Like, it doesn't go through the process of launch. Yeah. It's it's we already coded that up. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-963" data-t="963">I just told the interns So the pretty much</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-966">16:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-966" data-t="966">pretty so pretty much what I heard you say, Evan, is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-971" data-t="971">so the ten thirty one's giving you money to sponsor the the samurai fundraiser. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-976" data-t="976">anybody that's being critical of Matt Odell</span> <span class="cue" id="t-979" data-t="979">needs to chill.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-981">16:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-981" data-t="981">Shut up. He's not grumpy. He's not grumpy. He's not grumpy.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-985">16:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-985" data-t="985">Listen, we we've got a lot of part we've got a lot of parties in on this thing. I'm not gonna confirm or deny</span> <span class="cue" id="t-992" data-t="992">any names that are involved.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-994" data-t="994">You know, there might be rumblings around that you have people like Jamie Dimon,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1000" data-t="1000">another fellow Greek, or, you know, the Blackstone, BlackRock guys. And but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1006" data-t="1006">you know, that that's just speculation.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1008" data-t="1008">Okay?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1010">16:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1010" data-t="1010">Has Plenator has Plenator had the opportunity</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1013" data-t="1013">to vet</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1014" data-t="1014">this investment? Hey. I mean, Plenator the other day was talking about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1018" data-t="1018">some pipe investment scams, and he there was so some of the worst he's seen involved with twenty one, the Jack Mallers company</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1026" data-t="1026">is and I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1027" data-t="1027">if all the investors</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1029">17:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1029" data-t="1029">exit scams out there, Pledger has seen them all, literally</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1033" data-t="1033">all of them. Everything, all the SEC files going back</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1037" data-t="1037">to 1934</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1039" data-t="1039">when the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1040" data-t="1040">when it was founded. He's read them all. How do you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1043" data-t="1043">structure</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1044">17:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1044" data-t="1044">these deals so that they don't get outed by Pledder? Because Pledder is on the case.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1050" data-t="1050">Who who And he's very critical of 10/31. Guy's name?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1054">17:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1054" data-t="1054">Pleb</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1055" data-t="1055">Predator?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1056" data-t="1056">The what?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1057">17:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1057" data-t="1057">Plebitor. Plebitor is a predator for yammers. Does he predate on</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1062">17:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1062" data-t="1062">plebs, or he he protects the plebs from being predated on, or he's a pleb who's a predator in other ways? He predates It's even worse than that. He's a redditor. It's even worse than that. He's a redditor. Shh. He's a redditor. It's even worse. Yeah. He's a redditor.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1077" data-t="1077">So how does he reconcile Apex Redditor.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1080" data-t="1080">How how does he reconcile his Reddit gold maximalism</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1083" data-t="1083">with the Bitcoin thing?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1087" data-t="1087">Or or did or can you buy</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1090">18:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1090" data-t="1090">Reddit gold with Bitcoin now? I I'm sorry. You can. No? I don't think so. They used to be able to. Right? That was a good idea. They did. Yeah. They pulled that, though. Yeah. Yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1100">18:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1100" data-t="1100">Damn. People's lighting transactions didn't work, and they just they were losing,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1105" data-t="1105">they are losing conversions. They're like, alright. It just go we're just going back to we're still going back to using USDT. We're going back to taking Tether.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1113">18:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1113" data-t="1113">Well, you know, at least it wasn't our fault. Evan, when are you adding USDT support?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1117" data-t="1117">Oh, well, I think there's a really clear pipeline now that paper Bitcoin is going in the app. So There you go. It'll be, it'll be great. You know? We'll be able to get,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1128" data-t="1128">you know, whoever the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1130" data-t="1130">person of the day is, you know, usually someone race baiting or,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1134" data-t="1134">you know, doing Yep. All sorts of stuff like that. They they need a payday.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1138" data-t="1138">They'll be able to fire up and copy Zeus, get a seed, get a Zeus pay address. And you can go to get a USDT right to your wallet. You can go to Bitcoin John first Monday of every month at the Grand Palace, restaurant, and you can actually go to Evan, and he'll just give you the dollars. He's just a money transmitter for you. Oh, woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. I thought we said that the bugle guys were running the mint.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1163">19:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1163" data-t="1163">So back to the back to the event in Vegas,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1166" data-t="1166">satirize the system.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1168" data-t="1168">I heard rumors. Can you confirm, Jeremy? Will there be non KYC video games?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1174" data-t="1174">People want non KYC video games?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1177">19:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1177" data-t="1177">We did find,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1180" data-t="1180">the darkest alley,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1182" data-t="1182">to host our event in so that KYC</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1186" data-t="1186">was physically impossible.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1188" data-t="1188">So, I can guarantee</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1189" data-t="1189">here right now live on your podcast,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1193">19:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1193" data-t="1193">non KYC</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1195" data-t="1195">arcade games, non KYC,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1198" data-t="1198">Super Nintendo games,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1200" data-t="1200">non KYC bowling,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1203" data-t="1203">where you and custodial where you wear your own shoes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1206" data-t="1206">You control</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1208">20:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1208" data-t="1208">Oh, this is huge. From That sounds</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1210">20:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1210" data-t="1210">like a liability issue. Finish.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1212">20:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1212" data-t="1212">There's no passcode</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1214" data-t="1214">for somebody else.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1215">20:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1215" data-t="1215">Yeah. That that's one of the things that Now we won't tell you. One of the things in Vegas is if you go down to the strip where the, you know, the conference is gonna be, a lot of stuff's gonna be down there. That is, like, the most surveilled,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1228" data-t="1228">most KYC'd</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1230" data-t="1230">place maybe on Earth, but Fremont Street</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1234" data-t="1234">is not that. Fremont Street is a citadel</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1238" data-t="1238">for crazy, ungovernable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1240" data-t="1240">misfits in in loons,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1242">20:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1242" data-t="1242">So it's the perfect spot.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1244">20:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1244" data-t="1244">Fremont Street too, I'm pretty sure doesn't have a nonsmoking section at the blackjack tables. Like, you are allowed to smoke at any table you want, whereas, like, those fancy spots on the strip Huge. They they they break it off like, oh, no. Like, you can gamble here, but you can't you can't smoke cigarettes at this table. Segregation. Yeah. It's discrimination. Segregation has finally come to the Vegas Strip, and it's ruined the Vegas Strip. So that was one of the few places where segregate or non segregation had held out.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1270">21:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1270" data-t="1270">But now it's an island. It's Fremont Street. Fremont Street is the only place.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1275">21:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1275" data-t="1275">You might have heard from doctor Jack Cruz about how,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1279" data-t="1279">taking all the windows out at the casinos,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1282" data-t="1282">impacted the mitochondria</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1284" data-t="1284">of gamblers, forcing them to become worse,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1287" data-t="1287">unhealthy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1288" data-t="1288">And the the casinos started doing a whole lot better. Well, at Fremont, by being able to smoke,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1295">21:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1295" data-t="1295">the nicotine,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1296" data-t="1296">restores your mitochondria.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1298">21:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1298" data-t="1298">And we're seeing some of the strongest gamblers come out of the Fremont. That sounds great. Some might call it a cigarette citadel, if you will.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1306">21:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1306" data-t="1306">I think they do. I think they do. Wow. That's amazing. So</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1311">21:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1311" data-t="1311">do the do the Fremont Casinos, do they allow you to bring your own tallow to the table?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1317">21:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1317" data-t="1317">Not if you're playing craps because they don't want you buttering up the dice. But, everywhere else, that's fine. Tallow dice, I would love to throw some tallow dice, unfortunately, but that's gonna not be</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1328">22:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1328" data-t="1328">possible, it sounds like.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1332">22:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1332" data-t="1332">You know, I think we might be able to make that happen. Let's, like, get together after this and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1337" data-t="1337">see what we might be able to do about some tallow dice games in the in the corner.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1341">22:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1341" data-t="1341">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1343" data-t="1343">So not Greece in the game, Motao and</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1347">22:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1347" data-t="1347">So I I think we still have yet to make</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1350" data-t="1350">a coherent</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1352" data-t="1352">explanation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1353" data-t="1353">for what the hell we're promoting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1355" data-t="1355">So there's gonna be an event Wednesday night. It's gonna be the most important event to be at.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1361" data-t="1361">All five of us are gonna be there. Maggie Morris is gonna be there.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1366">22:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1366" data-t="1366">I think Rob's gonna bring the whole Anchor Watch team. They're all gonna be banned from talking about insurance and mini script. They're gonna actually have to talk about something else.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1374" data-t="1374">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1377" data-t="1377">so,</span> <span class="cue" data-t="1377">Jeremy, can you explain the structure of the event? What's what's going on here? So we got we got some panels. We got some people talking. We've got some</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1385" data-t="1385">yeah. What time does it start? Starts at 7PM.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1388">23:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1388" data-t="1388">7PM, Wednesday, the week of the conference. I don't know what day of the week that is.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1392" data-t="1392">Wednesday. Wednesday, like, the number, '28.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1395">23:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1395" data-t="1395">At 7PM. Twenty eight AM. So there's two things kinda going on, I think. Wait. Wait. Wait. Has the location been announced? I mean, like, damn. I'm sponsoring the thing. I don't even know where it is yet.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1405">23:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1405" data-t="1405">That's kinda on purpose.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1407" data-t="1407">You don't wanna anyway, it's at a place k y c called the nerd. It's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1414" data-t="1414">like, we we weren't joking about non k y non k y c,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1418" data-t="1418">games. Yeah. Exactly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1420" data-t="1420">The venue itself is full of of arcade games, like skill games,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1425" data-t="1425">Skee Ball, stuff like that.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1428">23:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1428" data-t="1428">And because it's the nerd, I wasn't joking. Super Nintendo games,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1432" data-t="1432">n 64 games.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1434" data-t="1434">So there's two things I think really going for it where we'll have an environment where anybody kinda gets to have some fun, gets to hang out with friends and play games. And just just by being there, you'll be able to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1447" data-t="1447">have have some fun doing whatever you wanna do. At the same time, you can also choose</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1452" data-t="1452">to enjoy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1454" data-t="1454">the main events that we have going on, the main event room.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1457">24:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1457" data-t="1457">And so we have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1459" data-t="1459">it's in four sections.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1461" data-t="1461">We've got, to kick it off is the discussion panel.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1465" data-t="1465">And actually, let me back out a little bit. The theme here, it's satirize the system is the name of the event because,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1473" data-t="1473">we're trying to refocus</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1475" data-t="1475">what's going on here. You know? Maybe</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1477">24:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1477" data-t="1477">maybe</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1479" data-t="1479">the ETFs,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1480" data-t="1480">you know, come out. We go back to was it January of last year that they that they rolled out? And maybe you were somebody in Wall Street, you didn't understand Bitcoin, and now the ETFs are here, and you're like, oh, okay. I get it. And you buy yourself some some ETF Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1496" data-t="1496">and, you actually wanna maybe learn a little bit more about what's going on,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1500" data-t="1500">instead of giving into</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1502" data-t="1502">the</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1504">25:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1504" data-t="1504">you know, you go one of two ways. You either wanna know what it is that you've bought</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1508" data-t="1508">or you just wanna watch the number go up. And we're kinda seeing that that split actually happen in the entire community right now.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1516" data-t="1516">And so we wanna bring some attention to that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1519" data-t="1519">There's some choices being made and some efforts being done</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1524" data-t="1524">where you can only choose one or the other and so we're trying to refocus</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1528" data-t="1528">it on why it's freedom money to begin with</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1531">25:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1531" data-t="1531">and what some of the choices are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1534" data-t="1534">against it and what some of the choices are to support it. So we've got a discussion panel that we're kicking off with Rob Hamilton right here</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1542" data-t="1542">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1544" data-t="1544">a couple other unnamed people as of yet.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1547" data-t="1547">And then from there, that's the first segment. Then we go into</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1553" data-t="1553">a fireside conversation,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1555">25:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1555" data-t="1555">to maybe get a little bit more intimate. Two minds</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1559" data-t="1559">focusing together on something.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1561" data-t="1561">Again, we will be announcing that a little bit later on. And then we move on to a trivia kinda game show where you have a chance to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1570" data-t="1570">to get on stage, to play the game, and to win Evan's money, Zeus' money. Let's do it.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1576">26:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1576" data-t="1576">We're gonna save</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1578" data-t="1578">the samurai wallet</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1580" data-t="1580">with lightning. They're gonna fucking hate it. But let me finish on this time.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1587">26:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1587" data-t="1587">Yeah. So you'll, it'll be a fundraiser where,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1590" data-t="1590">you know, every dollar,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1592" data-t="1592">that you give gets you a raffle ticket, and that dollar will go to the peer to peer fund,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1597" data-t="1597">which right now, the main focus is the samurai wallet case.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1601" data-t="1601">And, yeah, you'll be able to go on stage, play some fun trivia,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1605" data-t="1605">and, win some lightning stats. And, and that's kinda the setup. So, you know, we we set the stage there</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1612">26:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1612" data-t="1612">so that everybody kinda knows what's going on, knows what the point is, And then we get get really into it with the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1620" data-t="1620">the history of Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1622" data-t="1622">unfolded on stage</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1624" data-t="1624">by the nonstandard athletes of Las Vegas.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1627" data-t="1627">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1628" data-t="1628">these guys are actually, like,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1630">27:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1630" data-t="1630">completely legit. We really, like, fell backwards into some pure gold here. They go on tour. They're, like, the number one touring wrestling group.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1639" data-t="1639">You've gotta see some of the video. We put out a a video two days ago that shows some of the action, gives a sample of it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1646" data-t="1646">These guys are completely legit. They are ready to don</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1650" data-t="1650">the titles and names of some of Bitcoin's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1653" data-t="1653">most famous people,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1655" data-t="1655">infamous people,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1656">27:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1656" data-t="1656">And, and we're ready to see how things play out. And there's gonna</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1660" data-t="1660">be metal chairs. There's gonna be,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1664" data-t="1664">some bad clips off the stage.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1666">27:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1666" data-t="1666">So when you say nonstandard,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1668" data-t="1668">can they fit in an</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1670" data-t="1670">they, like, can they fit inside an ocean opera turn?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1677">27:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1677" data-t="1677">Some of them. Yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1679">27:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1679" data-t="1679">They can? Good.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1681">28:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1681" data-t="1681">Yeah. You can't filter them. These guys are fierce competitors who cannot be filtered.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1686">28:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1686" data-t="1686">There you go. There's a limit. You can fit 80 of them. Okay. 80</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1691" data-t="1691">fits. Yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1692">28:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1692" data-t="1692">Yeah. There you go.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1695">28:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1695" data-t="1695">The we're what this is fit a little more. Okay. Like, a 130,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1699" data-t="1699">140.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1700">28:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1700" data-t="1700">Oh. But, I don't know. There's there's some pushback. A little bit. Well, you gotta push back. You gotta push like a clown car. You need someone pushing,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1708" data-t="1708">condensing them. Yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1711">28:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1711" data-t="1711">Right. There's also</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1713" data-t="1713">instead of a mechanical bull,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1715" data-t="1715">it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1716" data-t="1716">a mechanical</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1718" data-t="1718">uncircumcised</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1719" data-t="1719">penis. So if you are circumcised,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1721">28:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1721" data-t="1721">maxi, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1724" data-t="1724">excuse me. Excuse me. I had that backwards to say circumcised penis, but it's hard, and we keep it hard. Mhmm. We're gonna have It's hard to get to Dennis Porter's timeline. Dennis Porter's timeline</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1734" data-t="1734">scrolling in front of it, and it's gonna keep this thing hard. So you can look it up. You can look up the mechanical cock at,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1741" data-t="1741">the nerd on Fremont Street.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1743" data-t="1743">If you wanna bring, you know, you wanna bring your girlfriend and see if she can ride it,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1749" data-t="1749">get she'll be able to be exposed some Dennis Porter tweets in the process.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1753">29:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1753" data-t="1753">And my orange pillar might make her more bullish.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1756">29:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1756" data-t="1756">Make a baby boom right there.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1759">29:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1759" data-t="1759">I don't know how the Yeah. So that'll be</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1762">29:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1762" data-t="1762">I don't know how the science works on it, but for them to figure out how to not plug it in, but to keep it going and hard just by having scrolling Dennis Porter text in front of it,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1774" data-t="1774">is is really something special.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1777">29:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1777" data-t="1777">It's above my pay grade. You it's</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1780">29:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1780" data-t="1780">amazing engineering work. You're not gonna you're not gonna wanna miss that, let me tell you.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1787">29:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1787" data-t="1787">Yeah. If you've if you've been at Bitcoiner long enough, you've already taken this ride, so you might as well do it in public.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1795">29:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1795" data-t="1795">Well, I do wanna say,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1796" data-t="1796">I'm excited about the event. Like, I'm I'm excited to to spend time in person with all our listeners. It's it's one of our one of my favorite things to do.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1806" data-t="1806">I'm gonna you should bring a pack of cigarettes. I'll I'll sign your pack of cigarettes for you, and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1812" data-t="1812">that'll be a pretty cool experience.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1815" data-t="1815">But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1816" data-t="1816">we'll have some merch that we'll be selling here.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1819">30:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1819" data-t="1819">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1822" data-t="1822">you know, Bitcoin is free to money. You should use it as free to money, so we're gonna give you the opportunity to. So you should come in with the Juice wallet ready. The channel's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1831" data-t="1831">already pre balanced, not trying to fiddle it with it when you get there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1835" data-t="1835">Ready to roll. Yeah. Don't be the guy. Don't</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1838">30:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1838" data-t="1838">be the guy trying to connect to Tor and not be ready.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1842" data-t="1842">We all hate that guy. Alright?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1845">30:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1845" data-t="1845">Has, PodConf approved this event yet, or have they caught wind of it, or is it kinda still on the underground? PodConf hasn't caught on yet.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1853">30:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1853" data-t="1853">Well, you know, one of the four horsemen, David Bailey, he did retweet it and said it looked interesting. I don't know if that was an an endorsement</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1860">31:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1860" data-t="1860">or a condemnation. I don't know. That's big news. I thought I meant There's been a rotation out of the four horsemen, right, at PodCon?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1870">31:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1870" data-t="1870">That's right. That's right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1872" data-t="1872">Corey was demoted at long, and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1875" data-t="1875">Peter McCormick,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1877" data-t="1877">has gone off to politics, so he's busy doing that, trying to get to his soccer club.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1882" data-t="1882">So we had we had there was an opening in Podgum.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1885" data-t="1885">They</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1886">31:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1886" data-t="1886">it promoted Jack Dorsey</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1889" data-t="1889">and Jack Mallers. So it's a double jack,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1893" data-t="1893">promotion. That's a big one. I mean, it was announced through Opera Turn.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1897" data-t="1897">So if you were on the we saw Opera turn by an Oster or or X.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1904" data-t="1904">Yeah. So it's big. That's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1906" data-t="1906">the problem. Bot comp is reenergized. My Rob has his hat right there, so Rob might be able to tell us some of the inner workings of how Podkomp is functioning right now.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1916">31:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1916" data-t="1916">I'm just a tier one pleb, you know, verified pleb, the real pleb movement. I'm not formally,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1921" data-t="1921">part of the Podkomp organization. I'm just kinda recognized as I thought you were on the board. Well, I'm on, like, the advisory board for the for the plebs. I'm not I'm not the one pulling the strings, though. I mean, you guys have also been hitting up the opportune bot. Right? Like, you guys have been,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1935" data-t="1935">making your voice heard on the Bitcoin blockchain?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1940">32:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1940" data-t="1940">Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1941" data-t="1941">we,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1943" data-t="1943">had it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1945" data-t="1945">put Linnalden is hot on there. We put,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1948" data-t="1948">the core devs should be allowed to have sex,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1952" data-t="1952">which is an important thing we might we need to get into. It's a controversial thing, apparently.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1958">32:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1958" data-t="1958">Yeah. It's a whole lot of controversy around that. That's that's one thing I mean, not to toot my own horn. Right? But that's one thing the Greeks got right. You know? Like, if you're a Greek priest Toot your own horn.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1968">32:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1968" data-t="1968">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1970" data-t="1970">The Greeks like to toot their own horn, don't they? It's just not just women. Yeah. You can have sex with women. Yeah. Yeah. And have a white Yeah. Yeah. The some people think that the core dads, the maintainers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1981" data-t="1981">are like this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1982" data-t="1982">clergy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1983" data-t="1983">who's not allowed to have sex and that's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1986" data-t="1986">the bugle is very much against that.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1989">33:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1989" data-t="1989">But Richard Grieser, yeah, Richard Grieser was doing some investigation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1993" data-t="1993">and he got some,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1995" data-t="1995">some insider sources that said that there's a lot of people in this debate right now that cannot believe</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2001" data-t="2001">that the core debts can have sex.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2008">33:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2008" data-t="2008">I mean, that that's kind of the hard work that Dick Greaser does, though, getting to the bottom of those things and kind of doing the work that other journalists just kinda whistle on by. They they and and just like mechanic says that this whole opera turn debate is, like, a technical is not a technical issue. He's right. It's not technical. It's about should the core devs be allowed to have sex.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2024" data-t="2024">And I think you get lost in all the technical minutia when there's really just, you know, foundational things that are about the culture and ethos of Bitcoin. Like, should core devs be allowed to have sex? And I I stand in support that they should be able to. I don't know. I mean, I think it's there's some nuance to it. Alright? There's a lot of nuance here. It's like,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2042">34:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2042" data-t="2042">how many pull requests</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2044" data-t="2044">have they submitted that week? Right? How many what's the line diff on their code count? You know? Like More like pull out requests.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2052" data-t="2052">But anyway, you can't just be reviewing code Well, well, they need anything. Expect to have sex.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2058" data-t="2058">Right?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2059">34:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2059" data-t="2059">True.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2060">34:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2060" data-t="2060">It's tough.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2061">34:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2061" data-t="2061">Okay. So yeah. That's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2064" data-t="2064">but</span> <span class="cue" data-t="2064">if they do, I mean, every month, the Deebel puts out the top five power rankings for the cordettes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2071" data-t="2071">And one of the stats that we include</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2074" data-t="2074">and, pretty much the only stat that we base these power rankings off is the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2079" data-t="2079">commits that they made over the prior month.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2082">34:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2082" data-t="2082">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2084" data-t="2084">they're all the maintainers are they're most of them</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2088" data-t="2088">are they at least have a dozen commits, some of them a 100 commits.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2092" data-t="2092">So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2094" data-t="2094">they're they're keeping up the action. They are allowed to have sex. And it's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2100" data-t="2100">you</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2101">35:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2101" data-t="2101">know, it comes down to this anti sexuality</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2103" data-t="2103">thing on one side of the debate. And it's like they don't want JPEGs in their mempo. What if it's a hot JPEG? What if Lynn Alden or</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2111" data-t="2111">Sydney Sweeney are on one of those JPEGs? You're not gonna let Lyn Alden and Sydney Sweeney into your pool, your mempool?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2118" data-t="2118">I I I I feel like that's bullshit. I feel like you would.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2123" data-t="2123">And if you're gonna let them in,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2126" data-t="2126">don't you think you have to wait let all in. If you're gonna claim to be not censoring, if you're gonna claim to be</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2132">35:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2132" data-t="2132">a promoter of this open promo code, you have to let hot JPEGs in your mempool. You have to let them all. This is part of it, though. You know? Like, I think this is coming from, like you know, Luke is a</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2142">35:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2142" data-t="2142">very die hard serious Catholic, and I think this is just kind of, like, going to that abstinence, like, before marriage. Like, this is just kind of people aren't realizing how it's impacting the rest of the Bitcoin development, and you gotta just be aware of this stuff. Right?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2153">35:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2153" data-t="2153">Well, this is one of the catch 20 twos because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2156" data-t="2156">Luke's family</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2157" data-t="2157">is, is three times as large as the people in this room. And so if there's anybody having sex,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2164">36:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2164" data-t="2164">you know, see where I'm going? Well, there's, like, 900 knots nodes running, and I think I think that's just Luke's children. That's exactly right. Only Luke still do the running knots nodes. There's 900 knots nodes, and they're all Luke's children. I think I just had a revelation.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2178">36:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2178" data-t="2178">Sorry. It's the creatine. A rev revelation here.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2183" data-t="2183">This crusade with the filter sort of lines up with the fake pope's death.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2188" data-t="2188">Maybe he feels empowered now?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2191">36:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2191" data-t="2191">This is, we're in a time of rough consensus for Luke where he agrees with all 1,300,000,000</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2196" data-t="2196">Catholics that the state of a con that the seat is empty, and it's probably uncomfortable for him right now where he has a very consensus opinion. Everyone agrees there's no pope at the moment, but Luke's been saying that for decades.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2207" data-t="2207">And I think that's just, like, an uncomfortable spot that he's in. I think it's a good, good point, Evan. Yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2212">36:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2212" data-t="2212">Okay. While we're on the subject I think Luke's pretty based</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2215" data-t="2215">on that topic.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2217" data-t="2217">I think the pope's a shit corner. Kinda like Jameson Law.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2221" data-t="2221">The same way that that many of the filled with pedophiles.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2226">37:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2226" data-t="2226">But if you were to pick someone to replace the old fake pedophile Pope,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2231" data-t="2231">who would you guys choose? Luke. Luke?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2234">37:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2234" data-t="2234">Yeah. The ultimate filter. Makes sense.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2239">37:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2239" data-t="2239">Any Catholic can become pope. How about pomp?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2243">37:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2243" data-t="2243">Is pomp Catholic? I don't know. Maybe. I don't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2247" data-t="2247">pope?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2248" data-t="2248">Pompeo pope the illiterate? I think I think That's good.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2251">37:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2251" data-t="2251">I think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2253" data-t="2253">aliens</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2254" data-t="2254">may make contact</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2256" data-t="2256">with human beings during the next pope's reign. And I think that we need a Pope who can deal with the aliens. And I don't know who could deal with I mean, Paul loves the aliens, but I feel like the aliens might relate better to Luke.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2269" data-t="2269">I think that he they're I mean, what if the aliens are autistic? Who are we gonna have that talk to them?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2277">37:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2277" data-t="2277">Yeah. That's a good question. I don't know. Well, that's why he teamed up with Mechanic, isn't it?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2285">38:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2285" data-t="2285">Interesting. Very possible.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2289">38:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2289" data-t="2289">So are we anywhere near</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2291" data-t="2291">getting settled with,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2294" data-t="2294">this whole opportune</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2295">38:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2295" data-t="2295">arguing? Or is it just gonna be the potential What's going on? For a while going forward commercially? Podcom Podcom's taken this over now. Conferences are doing whole panels around it. Multiple podcasts have hit me up to try and go on to talk about it. I think PodCon's gonna put another, like, two, three weeks of this at least of into the drama.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2313">38:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2313" data-t="2313">Well, I saw that they're gonna merge that this next week.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2316">38:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2316" data-t="2316">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2318" data-t="2318">You know?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2319">38:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2319" data-t="2319">I I think if anything, that's where the conspiracy should be,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2323" data-t="2323">focused on is that it has nothing to do</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2327" data-t="2327">with the Catholic church or the pope. I mean, you look at the proximity to the conferences, you've got BTCC</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2333" data-t="2333">plus plus happening. Is that this week or next week? This week.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2338" data-t="2338">Yeah. So that's happening this week.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2341" data-t="2341">You've got,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2344">39:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2344" data-t="2344">the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2345" data-t="2345">political clarity conference happening at Vegas.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2349">39:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2349" data-t="2349">So I'm so happy we're here. I mean</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2354">39:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2354" data-t="2354">so, I mean, it's it's interesting. So, like, Rob, you were tweeting that Bitcoin is not a democracy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2359" data-t="2359">Right? That's right. But, like, all these people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2362" data-t="2362">all these people, they're they're getting all riled up. They're getting all riled up because of, their nose getting raped.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2369" data-t="2369">And they're going to the conference, and they're gonna go listen to mechanic argue with somebody.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2373" data-t="2373">I don't know who the other person's gonna be, but we all know mechanic's gonna be arguing in the conferences. They're gonna be going there. They're gonna be listening to them argue</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2380" data-t="2380">about no rapage.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2382">39:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2382" data-t="2382">And,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2384">39:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2384" data-t="2384">there's gonna be a bunch of politicians speaking there. And so you're gonna walk away from that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2390" data-t="2390">thinking that Bitcoin is a democracy because that's how the conference stage looks.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2396">39:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2396" data-t="2396">It's a good point. That's why the satirizing the system is so important to kinda bring things back to our roots. Right? It's not a democracy.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2406">40:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2406" data-t="2406">Is it a republic?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2408" data-t="2408">So you basically oust you basically vote for your favorite influencer, and they're the ones who tell you which node to run. So it's more like a republic.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2415">40:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2415" data-t="2415">No. No. No. You gotta be an economic node. Right? Economic node. Of course. Exactly. So, you know, titans of industry like Rob and myself, we can vote. Yeah. We get to vote.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2425" data-t="2425">What the hell is your node doing? Yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2427">40:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2427" data-t="2427">That's why we don't If I if if I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2430" data-t="2430">if I use Coinbase, I'm I'm electing their node to be my representative.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2435">40:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2435" data-t="2435">Have you ever used Coinbase for Lightning? Has it ever has that have those payments failed when you use Coinbase for Lightning?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2442">40:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2442" data-t="2442">I have not used Coinbase Lightning.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2444" data-t="2444">You're missing out? I don't know that.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2446">40:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2446" data-t="2446">It is pretty impressive that, Coinbase</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2449" data-t="2449">beat Swan to Lightning, though.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2453">40:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2453" data-t="2453">That that's true. They did.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2457" data-t="2457">And they're probably gonna</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2459" data-t="2459">I mean, you're gonna be able to send USDT over the Lightning Network off of Coinbase now? Because I don't think people are gonna need banks or,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2467" data-t="2467">custodial wallets after that.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2469">41:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2469" data-t="2469">No. I actually Yeah. I mean, what what isn't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2473" data-t="2473">what what isn't Coinbase being swan at? They they've got more users.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2477" data-t="2477">They have lightning.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2479" data-t="2479">They're customing sailors' funds.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2483">41:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2483" data-t="2483">Podcasts. I guess they have less Bitcoin. Coinbase Yeah. Doesn't have a podcast. Got less. Coinbase doesn't have a podcast. Mm-mm.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2489">41:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2489" data-t="2489">And the shit coins too. We're really holding them back.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2495">41:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2495" data-t="2495">Yeah. You can, like, coin a podcast on</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2499" data-t="2499">Coinbase, I think, with, like, the content coins. So maybe they they maybe that's how they get the podcast.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2504">41:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2504" data-t="2504">Oh, yeah. The content coins. That's right. Bring it in on the base. They're they're using their their secondary layer called base. This is this</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2512">41:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2512" data-t="2512">is why we need to lift the opera turn limit so we can inscribe Bitcoin podcasts</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2518" data-t="2518">directly on chain. And this is how I mean, if you're using content coins on base, like, that's not sovereign it's not sovereign inscription of content.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2527" data-t="2527">You need to do this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2528" data-t="2528">on layer one Bitcoin, the the God chain.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2534">42:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2534" data-t="2534">Yeah. And throughout time, you could just actually over the blocks, you could just kinda go back and, like, listen to your old podcast by just downloading a Bitcoin node.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2543">42:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2543" data-t="2543">Exactly. I mean, the first thing we should do is get Sailor Series</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2547" data-t="2547">on</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2548" data-t="2548">chain so that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2549" data-t="2549">anybody</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2551" data-t="2551">in the future or anybody in the world can listen to the Sailor Series because it's probably the most important Bitcoin content audio content,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2559" data-t="2559">I think, to date.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2562">42:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2562" data-t="2562">You know, it it I think it's a good point. And when you think about it, remember MicroStrategy last year was gonna do a whole product line around inscriptions?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2570" data-t="2570">I think Saylor realized that was the wrong call, but if it comes back as an Opera turn, then MicroStrategy can do all of their digital identity stuff using opportune.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2580">42:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2580" data-t="2580">Asymmetric compliance.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2581">43:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2581" data-t="2581">That's right.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2583">43:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2583" data-t="2583">I thought those were gigantic.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2585">43:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2585" data-t="2585">I thought I thought You can go up to one meg for an opportune.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2589" data-t="2589">Really? Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2590" data-t="2590">There's no consensus limit on an opportune. Yeah. Yeah. I guess, if you wanna pay for it. Yeah. Yeah. It only would cost a a million stats right now to fill an entire block with an opportune.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2599" data-t="2599">Incredible. Taylor's smart, man. Yeah. Think about he has 500,000 Bitcoin. He can fill blocks up for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2606" data-t="2606">until, like, the heat death of the universe. And just, like, with, you know, a thousand,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2611" data-t="2611">he could do a 100 per coin. That he means that he can do yeah. He could do millions of blocks. Is is he secretly at the charge of forty</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2619">43:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2619" data-t="2619">hours per week?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2621">43:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2621" data-t="2621">He may be. It's very possible. I mean, you guys I mean, is the bugle do you guys came up with the forty hours per week, or is that something that kinda spoke to you and you already saw it somewhere?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2631">43:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2631" data-t="2631">I I think we just discovered it. I I wouldn't say that we invented it. It was not in any way. Mean, like It was not right. There's many</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2637">43:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2637" data-t="2637">of</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2638">43:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2638" data-t="2638">us I mean, there's many of us that have been full time podcast listeners, you know, for a long time now. Yeah. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2645" data-t="2645">they just put a description on it. You know what I mean? Turn it into a meme.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2649">44:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2649" data-t="2649">You discovered it. That's right. Now question on the Yeah. There we go. A week.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2655">44:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2655" data-t="2655">Evan, how many hours of Bitcoin podcast do you listen to?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2659">44:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2659" data-t="2659">Well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2661" data-t="2661">I'm a you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2664" data-t="2664">I I just really just round upon the people who listen to them sped up. I like to listen to them either, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2672" data-t="2672">one x speed or point five x speed because, you know, like, I really want to Interesting. Poke it in. So, you know Based.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2679">44:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2679" data-t="2679">Based.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2680">44:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2680" data-t="2680">He he's a cherry ice creatine kind of a guy. Oh, yeah. You gotta put a couple of those back before you get get fired up. You know? Maybe bringing things down to Do you get point seven five, point eight. I mean, do you get</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2692">44:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2692" data-t="2692">do you get sufficient entropy in your Bitcoin podcast listening? Are you listening to Optech? Are you listening to Astrology podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2700" data-t="2700">Bitcoin podcast? Are you listening to privacy philosophy?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2704" data-t="2704">Okay.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2705">45:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2705" data-t="2705">No astrology yet.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2707" data-t="2707">I'll leave that to the wife.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2709" data-t="2709">Okay?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2710" data-t="2710">I love Optech. You're doing some great stuff there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2713" data-t="2713">You know, a couple of Zeus users there, which is good.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2717" data-t="2717">But, you know, really, I'm all about scratching the surface, finding the next big thing.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2722">45:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2722" data-t="2722">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2724" data-t="2724">you know, right now, there's just so much talent.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2727" data-t="2727">And, you know, as a man who who doesn't want to juice, who wants to listen at one x or slower,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2733" data-t="2733">it it's hard to find it all. You know? We need more people surfacing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2737" data-t="2737">the brand new talent that's gonna merge. I I feel like we're on the cusp of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2742" data-t="2742">of a boom.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2743">45:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2743" data-t="2743">Bitcoin podcast. I feel like I feel like we're gonna have to bump forward. Podcast edging.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2748">45:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2748" data-t="2748">Yeah. You're edging. A Cambrian explosion</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2750" data-t="2750">of podcasts.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2752">45:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2752" data-t="2752">Yeah. Cambrian explosion.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2753" data-t="2753">One of the things. Feel like we're gonna have to bump forty hours per week up to, like, maybe forty five, fifty soon.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2760">45:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2760" data-t="2760">Otherwise, you're gonna have to invest dust. Yeah. Invest and have to invest in podcast equipment,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2766" data-t="2766">making, you know, producing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2768" data-t="2768">companies</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2769" data-t="2769">because, you know, if you strive</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2771" data-t="2771">to the you know, I I don't I don't wanna go where the gold is I would go where the the ax and shell pickaxes and shovels are. You're gonna wanna invest in podcast equipment companies.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2781">46:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2781" data-t="2781">Well, you gotta do so cautiously</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2783" data-t="2783">too because,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2784" data-t="2784">you know, we have this new existential threat in terms of podcast, and that's the tariffs. Kinda. You gotta think about where all this equipment is coming from. Mhmm. Like, are we gonna be able to scale up microphone and soundboard equipment,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2797">46:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2797" data-t="2797">production in The United States? And I'm just not sure we can. Will they buy We need three d printers for that. This is all this is all a move, these tariffs,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2806">46:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2806" data-t="2806">so that we can reclaim our control of our own podcast. Well, the podcasting supply chain is under threat. We need to take it back into our own control. Well, here's the thing. So Trump was talking this week about putting tariffs on films produced outside of Hollywood. Right? Mhmm. What if we</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2821" data-t="2821">apply podcasting two point o tariffs on shows that aren't produced in The United States? So I'm looking at you, Stefan Lovera. Okay. I know what you're getting away with. What Bitcoin not gonna</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2831">47:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2831" data-t="2831">fucking put up with this. What Bitcoin did? Danny Knowles down under</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2835" data-t="2835">tripled the tax because he's upside down.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2838">47:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2838" data-t="2838">That's right. But, yeah, I tell you right now, the Canadian Bitcoin podcast do not need do not need that because they are Canadian Bitcoin podcasters struggling up there. They just lost</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2848" data-t="2848">their election to a central bank.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2851" data-t="2851">They</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2852" data-t="2852">and all their listeners are in The United States, and maybe we should make an exception for the Canadian Bitcoin podcasters.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2860">47:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Evan Kaloudis</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2860" data-t="2860">And we'll have we'll have to run it past David Bailey.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2863">47:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2863" data-t="2863">Yeah. David would know best.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2865" data-t="2865">So Have you ever guys thought about, like, kinda, like, this MSTR and MSTY where you can earn yield and stuff that maybe there's, like, HPW</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2872" data-t="2872">y, where, like, you just earn a certain amount of yield when you start listening. When you hit that forty hours per week, you start getting, like, a dividend of Bitcoin knowledge once you've crossed that threshold.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2882">48:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2882" data-t="2882">I Yeah. I like this. It's like an ad nav for signal.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2885">48:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2885" data-t="2885">Exactly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2886" data-t="2886">And as long as your entropy is good, you have to have your entropy spread out really well. But, like, if you're listening to your hell money for your astrology, right, if you're gonna listen to OPCEC and you're gonna listen to your macro content,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2898" data-t="2898">like and you you kinda just get this, like, you know, podcasting dividend that just comes back to you full circle.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2905">48:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Jeremy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2905" data-t="2905">I found that the yield is, I mean, the yield is</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2908">48:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2908" data-t="2908">We're going to the same place. You go. The yield is having a good marriage. The yield is being able to afford your taxes. Like, there there's a benefit.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2915" data-t="2915">It's not like you're listening to 40 HPW for no reason. No. You're you're listening to 40 HPW to be able to show up in your life,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2923" data-t="2923">do your job</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2925" data-t="2925">as a man or as a woman.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2929" data-t="2929">It it equips you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2930" data-t="2930">Yeah. To be the person you wanna be.</span></span></p>
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