0:04Buster Cherry This is Buster Cherry coming to you from New York with a breaking story. The White House has confirmed that Dennis Porter is indeed missing and that he was captured by the North Koreans in a daring plot. A state department spokesman told me that the North Korean president, Kim Jong Un, was growing increasingly concerned at the rate that American politicians were becoming orange pilled and that one of America's greatest assets needed to be taken off the table. There are reports that Dennis is in Pyongyang being forced to read state scripted announcements to the North Korean people and that erectile dysfunction has been cured across the country. President Trump had some comments on the matter.

0:41Donald Trump This is not the announcement I wanted to make. Dennis Porter, one of our country's greatest assets, a tremendous mind, beautiful enthusiasm for Bitcoin, has been kidnapped by North Korea. Terrible situation. Disgraceful. And let me tell you, Melania,

0:60Donald Trump she's very upset, very disappointed. She said, Donald, who's going to tweet all those brilliant things now? Because she loves the tweets, maybe more than mine. We're gonna work very hard, very fast to bring Dennis home. America needs him tweeting announcements again. We just subsidized Ozempic,

1:19Buster Cherry and we can't subsidize Viagra as well. Many are speculating that Dennis's absence from Twitter ensures that a bear market has begun. Paper Bitcoin winter is looking like it's gonna be a cold one, folks. Please pray for the safe return of Dennis. We desperately need an announcement. This is Buster Cherry signing off.

1:47Richard Greaser Welcome, folks, to this edition of the Bugle Weekly. This is a special one. Unfortunately, Rod is not here today, but I have, found somebody to, join us. You know, we've been having a lot of shitcoiners on this show, and I I feel like it's time to bring it back

2:10Richard Greaser to somebody who who believes in, you know, monetary transactions only. It's been the at the forefront of fighting the spam today. Joining me is Bitcoin, Muck

2:25Richard Greaser Anik. How's it going, Muck? Doing well, mate. How are you? Oh, you know, we're getting into the holiday season. It's getting cold outside. Seems like people are tired and, you know, grumpy.

2:40Muck Anic But, you know, I'm having a good time. I'm having a good time too. You know? It's it's as if people have maybe they've lost interest in in saving Bitcoin, but I intend to capitalize on that grumpiness and get people back on track.

2:54Richard Greaser Absolutely. Well, it's been an interesting week this week. We at the Bugle, we've unfortunately had a lot of, conflict with, you know, one of your biggest advocates,

3:11Richard Greaser Matthew Crater. And, you know, Ron Palmer was doing some digging this week, and he, he found evidence that, of nepotism, of Matthew Crater engaging in nepotism and sleeping his way to the top of Peter Thiel's hedge fund, Clarium.

3:32Richard Greaser I know you two are appear to be, you know, fairly close or at least, you know, on the same page about a lot of things that you're advocating for.

3:42Muck Anic Do you have any, you know, thoughts on that? I can't speak to whether or not he actually slept to the top, but I look at his stature and his his place in in Bitcoin University. And while he has been an ally of mine, I I I shudder to think of what he did to get there, and maybe he did. You know? Matt's an attractive man, very suave. The ladies loved him. You know? He's he's a chick magnet,

4:10Muck Anic and it's it's not nice to think that maybe, you know, him and Peter, maybe other rich and powerful men have gotten into things together in order for him to get to that accredited level with his Pick one University.

4:27Muck Anic But, hopefully, the rumors are not true. But you say you've discovered evidence, so I just I just seek the truth. You know? Do you think that,

4:39Richard Greaser you know, if this is true we're we're waiting for Kratter's, comment on the story, and I'm not sure if he will. But if it's true, do you think the plebs should still be giving him $790

4:55Richard Greaser in in tuition to attend Bitcoin University, or do you think that, they should get their education elsewhere?

5:03Muck Anic I I think they should still attend. Now that tuition is quite affordable in in today's mostly Bitcoinized hyper Bitcoinized world. I imagine they have the funds to pay for such a esteemed education,

5:20Muck Anic and I'd say continue to subscribe and and pay that tuition because education, it's Ben Franklin said something about it. Like, the more you have, the better you are. I think that's what he said. So, yeah, pay pay Crowder. You know, he's he's doing, good work over there. I I've learned everything I know about the technicalities of the Bitcoin network from Bitcoin University. Every last bit of it,

5:47Muck Anic I'm like a sponge.

5:49Richard Greaser I figured it it was more you advising him because I I the way it appears to be is that you get your information from Luke, and then you kinda go and disperse the information online on your podcast and, you know, in other other areas on Twitter spaces or whatever. And then, Matthew Kratter, you know, gets this information from you.

6:16Richard Greaser But you you learn from Matthew is what you're saying.

6:20Muck Anic Well, it it's kind of a give and a take. And and it may appear like we do coordinated sort of blitzes as far as what information he puts out or I put out, but it's it's all actually decentralized. You know, it's we're just truth seekers trying to do what's right and what you know? So I think it's it's a little bit of both. You know? We do talk privately. The group chat with Matt is quite explosive. There's there's always something fascinating going on, recent developments in Bitcoin. It's it's hard to say exactly who gets

6:58Muck Anic the credit for who puts out what first, but it does generally go from Luke. He he calls me, and he sends me voice notes. Sometimes he's screaming. He screams a lot. He's he's quite mean to me, to be honest, in private. He accused me of, stealing one of his his books, a Bitcoin book.

7:22Muck Anic I denied it. It seemed like Matt was taking his side, and it it it was quite the issue internally for us, what people are calling Nazis. And, that's also hurtful, but

7:38Muck Anic it's hard to say exactly who's in charge. I don't know.

7:42Richard Greaser Do you find it hurtful to to be called a Nazi? I I feel like

7:47Muck Anic in today's climate, being called a Nazi is a compliment. It just means that you're handsome. I have heard that. They've said, don't let it get to you. You're handsome. You're a beard. You've got the mountain man aesthetic just so they bounce off. Reject, you know, the historical connotations to fascism, authoritarianism, and just let that go. Maybe maybe they're right, but

8:10Muck Anic secretly, I think deep down, I do like it. It feels powerful being called Nazi

8:16Richard Greaser with a t. They have a k.

8:19Muck Anic Yeah. I I mean, it does seem negative, but, ultimately, I was just speaking with Guy Swan, and and I was saying that I'd spoken to Dathan about this, and he said that Bitcoin is the purest expression of, distributed authoritarianism. And I felt that that was quite poignant.

8:42Muck Anic So maybe it is a good thing, this

8:45Richard Greaser whole Nazism. Well, it's definitely interesting. It's got the plebs all, tied up in knots. They are very, wound up and upset right now, to say the least.

8:58Muck Anic Yes. It it does seem like we've created some confusion. I mean, ultimately, it's worth it. If we can get the fees higher for the pool, I think it was all worth it. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it'll be interesting to see. I'm hoping that Matthew Kratter will, give a response.

9:14Richard Greaser Maybe there'll be some pressure from his students to get some answers there about him and get because he's very critical of others engaging in nepotism like Gloria. So tell me a little bit about your your frustration with Gloria because, you know, she's pretty hot. I think a lot of it isn't warranted. I think that Kordev should be able to have sex.

9:42Muck Anic I'm not sure if should. I I've heard that that concept that they should be permitted to have sex and whether or not they consent, whether or not Luke consents. It is quite the quagmire of sex. But, really, with Gloria, I think for me, it boils down to a sort of vague jealousy. You know? She works on Bitcoin, does all sorts of commits. And that to me, I I find it quite threatening.

10:09Muck Anic Say, who is this woman? She's attractive. I'm attracted to her, but it's sort of like a love hate kind of thing. And it's confusing because, you know, we've raised her up to be this sort of villain, but secretly,

10:27Muck Anic I mean, deep down, I actually I like her quite a lot. So it's it's a struggle for me personally.

10:34Richard Greaser It's probably less of a struggle for Matthew Crowder.

10:39Muck Anic No. See, Matt, I think he really doesn't like her. He he talks about her all the time. He has it's like that episode of Always Sunny with Charlie and the and the board. There's just lots of lots of articles that mention there. He's got it all printed out. He's it's it's like a investigatory wall of paranoia, and it's it's actually in one of the back rooms of Bitcoin University itself. It's a amazing campus, but

11:10Muck Anic I really do think he needs to chill on the the whole Gloria thing because the he it makes me think that he also has a crush on her secretly, but it seems genuine. Like, he's truly angry with her and her contributions to Bitcoin, many of them. But

11:33Muck Anic I don't know. It's hard to tell where Matt's coming from. He's a very secretive man.

11:39Richard Greaser I I just kind of assumed with him that he he actually was not he doesn't find her attractive because Peter Thiel types are more his type that he's attracted to. But

11:52Muck Anic Yes. He he does seem to be more into into the field types, and I it's hard to tell. I I think that he may have some antipathy towards Gloria, but, I I mean, maybe, you know, this could turn around. I'm not sure if Gloria is is single or not, and maybe

12:14Muck Anic her and Matt, there's a future there.

12:16Richard Greaser I don't think so. I think she's kind of out of his league. But,

12:22Muck Anic anyway, so I think so.

12:26Richard Greaser There's been a lot of discussion around the price drop recently and what's caused it. I, you know, I have my theory on it that there's something going on with Dennis Porter. We're we're scrambling to try and figure out where he is and locate it. And currently, he has not we're recording on a Friday. He has not tweeted

12:52Richard Greaser in nine days, coming up on ten days. The end of today will be ten days, and I I I think I'm pretty confident he's not gonna tweet today.

13:01Muck Anic It is quite unusual. He's normally quite the tweeter, so it's it's definitely concerning. I mean, there's no breaking news. Maybe that's why. It is like, it it Dennis's

13:13Richard Greaser absence impacts us all in various ways. Like, for you, he's been a staunch supporter of knots and what Ocean's doing. For us, you know, other individuals, he he's worked tirelessly to protect our rights to use Bitcoin. I'm fearful that

13:36Muck Anic our rights aren't gonna be protected in his absence. I think you're right. I think Dennis has been a stalwart supporter of our right to use Bitcoin, and he single handedly protects it. And and I I feel that when he supports us in our mission, and without him, we'd be lost. You know, Dennis is truly the champion of our whole thing when it comes down to it. I started to think what it would be like without Dennis's

14:06Muck Anic staunch support. The breaking news, the alarm emojis, all caps, random potential congresspeople in California. I mean, that was a big one. I was quite excited about that announcement.

14:23Muck Anic Changed the whole game, really.

14:25Richard Greaser Yeah. A lot of people were giving him a hard time about it, but, I think Dennis is a kingmaker when it comes to politics, and I think he's on the trajectory of becoming the king himself. I'm I'm hopeful that

14:44Richard Greaser he's gonna run for president in 2028, and I think he'll win.

14:50Muck Anic It's probable if if Dennis becomes president Porter in 2028 or maybe 2032, if we're being honest, but that that's in the pipeline. I think there's a chance that we could actually reverse the changes

15:05Muck Anic that have come about with core v 30. I think as president, he could probably initiate, maybe make not the official US Bitcoin implementation? I mean, I might be dreaming, but it's possible.

15:21Richard Greaser So do do you think that Bitcoin implementations, the government's stance on it should be determined through legislation or through executive order. What do you what do you think that that process should look like going forward in the future?

15:38Muck Anic Well, executive orders, legislation, the those things can work, but I think it really needs to be based on the will of the clubs. And you can find that on Twitter. You just scroll around, and you'll see that people you know, American citizens are are clearly in support of our mission. And while laws

16:01Muck Anic might be the way to go, I I think it's more the rough consensus of what what people on Twitter think and also how loudly they clap at Bitcoin events, such as Logano in Switzerland.

16:17Muck Anic I mean, my ego was just out of control after that. Did you hear how loudly they were clapping for me? I did. I

16:27Richard Greaser it but they they put a laugh track or sorry, a clap track and instructed the audience to clap for you. So I don't know if that's really a way to determine consensus.

16:42Muck Anic Enhancement, but the actual clapping was quite profound. I think They didn't have

16:48Richard Greaser instructions to clap when Peter Todd was talking, which I think is kind of unfair.

16:54Muck Anic Well, he already got credit with the HBO documentary, so I think in the minds of the plebs, you know, he's already gotten plenty of attention, and it was really my star was rising at that point, and I think that that translated to more applause for

17:10Richard Greaser me. Yeah. Peter Peter Todd's a very, you know, Satoshi is a very controversial figure in Bitcoin. He's an enemy of Bitcoin. I'll just come out and say it. I mean, that why do you why do you think that is? Why why do you think he's had this arc where he went from the creator of Bitcoin to an enemy of Bitcoin?

17:31Muck Anic It's quite simple. I mean, Peter is concerned with the technology and how it works and the realities of it from an objective sort of viewpoint. But, I mean, you and I both know that it's actually about the community. It's it's not so much technology. It's Bitcoin is all of us, and I think that's

17:54Muck Anic that's what Peter misses, and that's what has made him into a super villain of Bitcoin. And it's it's quite sad to see him go down this road. And I thought maybe he would run knots and climb to Ocean. He he's been very critical of Ocean as far as the time value of money and the the payout system of it. It's just it makes me sad. You know? It's

18:20Muck Anic I don't want to hear criticism. I just want support.

18:24Richard Greaser How how do you suggest that people gauge what the you what the plebs, what the users of Bitcoin want?

18:31Muck Anic What's the best way to do that? Well, I mean, Elon Musk has said that Twitter is the town square. So I I think we need to put aside, you know, economic incentives and and how it all really plays out in the real world. Put all that aside and just go off the longest, most well put Twitter posts. And that it really they also how many likes they have, how many followers they have, those sort of things, it it tends to clear it all up pretty quickly for me, anyway.

19:09Muck Anic I mean, Bitcoin is money. If people are doing things with it that we, the community, don't like, I mean, that's against Bitcoin. So it's it's quite simple. Interesting. Yeah. I mean, it's hard to say what people really want. I I think I think you just have to go with whatever they're virtue signaling about. Whatever they say,

19:32Richard Greaser that's probably what they actually mean. So that's that's what I do. So yeah. The I mean, how much do you think this, core v 30 update has impacted the price? Has this been the biggest driver of, substantially?

19:50Muck Anic It's it's the number one driver of global liquidity, the macroeconomic outlook as far as, recession odds. I mean, every analyst that I know, you ask them about, is is Bitcoin a risk on or risk off asset

20:09Muck Anic as far as its price and relative to, like, commodities or precious metals. And immediately, each of them, they bring up, well, v 30. And it's it's quite concerning. I mean, I I think it's the number one driver of of the future bear market in Bitcoin. That's why I've sold all of mine. I don't I don't hold Bitcoin anymore. I don't

20:33Muck Anic I don't think it's it's what it what it used to be. I think these massive changes to the protocol itself through COS software,

20:45Muck Anic as as I understand it, is what's causing this dip. So if you sold Bitcoin,

20:51Richard Greaser like, what what else is there to own other than Bitcoin? I'm thinking,

20:55Muck Anic RTX, maybe Lockheed, potentially Netflix. I like Netflix. So it's defense companies and entertainment to me are the two sectors I think really have a great future. Maybe health care, UnitedHealth, maybe, or

21:14Muck Anic I'm thinking private prison stocks are really there's something about incarceration that I think is a has a bright future as far as investment. You know, since Bitcoin, it's been tough. You know, I have to consider earnings and, you know, support and resistance and all these

21:37Muck Anic metrics that I didn't quite understand before COVID thirty.

21:41Richard Greaser If if the state starts prosecuting people, grabbing CSAM on their notes, I think owning, private prison stock is probably a a safe investment.

21:54Muck Anic Polish. Exactly. That's what that's my thoughts exactly that, you know, if we're putting node runners in prison for what they've what they've done and what they've allowed onto their machines, I think it's only fair that we we buy up private prison ETFs.

22:12Richard Greaser So, you know, I've heard contradicting legal theories on the government prosecuting node runners. Sasha

22:23Richard Greaser Hodder came out. She she's a lawyer. She she's a listener to the show. She's pretty hot. Enemy of Bitcoin. Why why do you say that?

22:31Muck Anic Well, first of all, she's a woman, and that makes me skeptical. It's that might sound unfair, but, also, her name is Sasha, which makes me think maybe she works for the Russians, and I'm quite paranoid about that. And the video she made, it got quite a bit of traction, and I think she's got something to hide, maybe on her note.

22:54Richard Greaser Interesting. So you you just, like do you not like women interacting with Bitcoin in general, or is it

23:02Muck Anic only hot women? Or It's not all women. It's just that they they make me afraid, and I feel inadequate when I when they talk about Bitcoin. Because to me, it's it's not about the technology. All the women, they did they just want to talk about the technology. I'm just interested in the community. So it's it's a conflict for me. So what are your thoughts on Natalie Brunell? Natalie Brunell, she is not an enemy of Bitcoin. She's actually she runs knots. She,

23:33Muck Anic she points her compass mining machines to to Ocean. She's a big supporter, believe it or not.

23:39Richard Greaser I I haven't seen her. I didn't know that she runs knots. So she's an advocate for knots. She's in the closet. She doesn't wanna come out openly about it. She's

23:48Muck Anic she's a secret knots person, which might be surprising, but we convinced her in Lugano. We said, look. You either run knots or you see you see what happened with Gloria. Right? So she I think she made the right choice.

24:06Richard Greaser But but wouldn't you kinda classify that as tacitly supporting attacks on Bitcoin if she's silent about it, if she's not a vocal,

24:16Muck Anic promoter or supporter? Yes. We're working on that. We wanted to have a full podcast with me and Luke, Jason Hughes and Bob Burnett, all of us there to just celebrate knots and and Notion and Datum. And I think it could happen. May maybe within the next couple weeks, we'll do a roundtable.

24:40Muck Anic It's how we save Bitcoin, I think, in the long run.

24:44Richard Greaser Well, I know the the plebs have wanted you, Luke, to go on, Coin Stories for a while. There was that one pleb that wrote that open letter to Natalie

24:55Muck Anic pleading with her to have you on. Yes. That was so exciting to read that people are so passionate and and wanting us to to be there to spread the good news, and I'm in full support of comments like that. No no matter how desperate they might sound and sort of deranged, I think those sort of comments go a long way.

25:18Richard Greaser So I don't know. I mean, what what do you what do you see for the the price happening? Is is it all downwards up until, fork activation sometime maybe in q one of next year?

25:31Muck Anic Well, doesn't the fork I think September is the deadline now. It's been pushed back from February. So I expect the bottom to be somewhere around, August to September, and then we go up from there as we fix Bitcoin and save it.

25:48Richard Greaser So does that mean that there's not gonna be a pip paper Bitcoin summer?

25:52Muck Anic It'll be a muted pay paper Bitcoin summer. It'll be you know, the treasury companies will be quite beleaguered. Some of them will run knots, and they'll survive. But I I think it will be quite a different summer. It will be an exit of a bear market summer where everyone realizes that the mission is to save Bitcoin, and that means higher prices. So

26:19Muck Anic it's it's, it's not all bleak and terrible, and I will be buying back, I think, once we fix it. And by fix it, I mean, like, once we get what we want and we can impose that on others, then then I will I will buy back it.

26:43Richard Greaser Well, I think if that's the case, we don't really have any choice but to to filter. I think everybody's in in agreement that NGU is important.

26:56Muck Anic It's the most important metric. So, ultimately, everyone will filter, I think. It's inevitable.

27:04Richard Greaser How do you how do you convince people that the reason we're not experiencing NGU is spam and not and not other factors like Dennis Porter being missing or just the general macro environment, interest rates, you know, other things?

27:26Unknown Well, what you do is you start with an emotional trigger, something upsetting.

27:31Muck Anic You tell them that people doing things that you may not like on Bitcoin is what's causing the price to go down, and then you offer them, you know, light at the end of the tunnel, say, here's a solution to make the price go back up. And it it generally works. You know, appeal to emotion and then solution, and it it tends to work. I mean, people eat it up.

27:60Muck Anic There's lots of people that aren't convinced, and they make fun of us. And they they say all sorts of mean things, and

28:06Richard Greaser they're just enemies of Bitcoin when it really comes down to it. Who you you name Peter Todd. Who who are some of the biggest enemies of Bitcoin, do you think?

28:17Muck Anic Shinobi is number one. He by what I've seen on Twitter, he appears to be the number one enemy of Bitcoin. I've actually heard a rumor that it's just a rumor. But, apparently, he wants to convince

28:34Muck Anic the Bitcoin bar in New York City, PubKey, he's going to convince them to accept Ethereum in order to support Bitcoin Core. And I just I'm disgusted by it, personally. I think accepting Ethereum to support Bitcoin Core, it doesn't make sense, but, you know, you can't stop what others are going to do ultimately.

28:59Muck Anic When I think of enemies of Bitcoin, he's he's up there. He called me retarded, and I just and I don't know what to do about it. Another one would be let's see. Stefan Lovera. He's definitely an enemy of Bitcoin. You know, that panel in Lugano, he was quite testy with me. He he didn't necessarily

29:24Muck Anic believe everything I was saying, and it was quite difficult to deal with that contention.

29:30Richard Greaser I I don't think the players were clapping for him.

29:33Muck Anic No. Just for me. It was all for me. You were able to

29:38Richard Greaser get Shinobi to, resign as a core maintainer.

29:42Muck Anic It was a it's yeah. Seeing him step down as a maintainer, of core, was people were very pleased about that. And I I think it's just one small victory in the spam war. We'll have many more victories, but him stepping down, it was

30:01Richard Greaser it was a day I'll never forget. How how did that play out? How did you convince Shinobi to step down? Just

30:08Muck Anic pure brute force pressure on Twitter. You know, he he said he couldn't take it anymore. We were just being mean to him, saying we're not retarded. You're retarded. And and that seemed to do the trick after enough attrition. Enough posts, he he finally capitulated

30:27Muck Anic and saw reason. You know? May maybe he's not an enemy of Bitcoin. That's that's what I'm coming around to, but I'm just not sure. We're just glad that he has stepped out. That's that's my statement on the matter.

30:42Richard Greaser So, essentially, you got him to step down by just saying, no you.

30:47Muck Anic It worked. Yeah. And believe it or not, it's that simple in Bitcoin. Just social pressure, and it tends to do the trick.

30:57Richard Greaser You think social pressure is an effective way to is that the future of Bitcoin development? Is that what it takes? The only It's all about the community, and if

31:11Muck Anic if we can make someone feel as if they're not, you know, they're not cool with the community, then, yeah, I mean, economic incentives be damned. They'll do they'll do what we want, and I think that's how Bitcoin is supposed to work. It's a beautiful system,

31:28Richard Greaser social pressure. Do you see any downsides of that?

31:33Muck Anic No. I mean, what do you maybe. But I I think certain people might see that and go, you're being a bit rash. You're being a bit harsh to people. But, I mean, the mission is clear. We've got to save Bitcoin. So

31:50Muck Anic any means to do that, I think, are justified.

31:54Richard Greaser Well, when when you spin up a mob of angry plebs, they might eventually come back after you. We we've seen this happen over and over again with other groups, like, Corey and the Swans, for example. The plants were real hot on him for a while,

32:14Muck Anic and then they turned on him. Yeah. They drank the Swan Pond, so to speak. I mean, yeah, that's that's a valid point. You know, I don't really think that far ahead. To me, I'm just in service of our mission, and if it backfires at some point, people stop making fun of us relentlessly, and we can't get our fork through because we can't convince minors that they're policemen that must do as we want. I think it could present a future problem, but we'll

32:41Richard Greaser we'll cross that bridge when we get there. It's it's all about saving Bitcoin today. So one one of the, you know, biggest issues that I've had with this the spam topic in general and with the discussion of the the state coming in and and regulating nodes is I I think many members of the state are actually users and fans of CSAM. So,

33:09Richard Greaser you know, re recently, there's been some discussion, some attempts to to release the the Epstein files. We're letting many powerful people or or CCM producers or supporters

33:27Richard Greaser in various ways.

33:29Muck Anic You know, that's a good point. I I think that's probably true that the government is quite in favor of this these type of things, and that's why with Dennis and his work, I think we can convince them to switch some odds. These things will no longer be permitted, and you've got to fight evil where it's at. I think that might be the way to do it.

33:51Richard Greaser Well, I I think I I've heard Luke say this, that his stance is he believes that a nation state is gonna be the one uploading the CSAM to the blockchain as an attack on Bitcoin. They're gonna be the perpetrators of the attack.

34:11Richard Greaser And so the this attempt with the filters is is kind of a a preemptive effort to to prevent the state from doing that, from preventing the Epstein list from, turning Bitcoin into, decentralized file storage for their CSAM.

34:28Muck Anic I think so. That's what we don't want to happen. I mean, ultimately, just and not only that content itself being, you know, bad. I think if Bitcoin is rebranded, you know, you poison the brand with calling it file storage. It conjures images of filing cabinets and stacks of paper, and

34:54Muck Anic it's just not cool. You know? It's much better to be permissionless money that no one can talk with. I think making it file storage, especially for bad things, is is a mistake.

35:09Muck Anic And whether or not the state is the perpetrator behind this in the future, it's just not a good look overall, so run not.

35:19Richard Greaser I I had a, you know, conversation with Paul Stork or Paul Sports the other day. And it may have been but yes. I'm sorry. Go ahead. One of one of the things he pointed out was this reality that transaction data are files stored on the Bitcoin blockchain. So Bitcoin

35:38Richard Greaser is file storage by default even when people are using it as money. So don't you think it's a misnomer to or just it's incorrect terminology to say that Bitcoin is not file storage.

35:53Muck Anic I think that's technically correct, but, ultimately, I I'm just concerned with what the community believes. So these, you know, technical realities that I don't pay any attention to. I think that the blocks that are filled with data, I just I put that out of my mind, and I think that's money. You know? And it's it's much easier.

36:19Muck Anic It's soothing to me on some level. And Paul, with his, FIP 300, what he proved was that he can't he can't be trusted. You know? That's he crossed the line.

36:32Muck Anic And if he believes it's data, you know, maybe it is, but I won't have any part of what whatever mister Stork is saying. And also just the name Stork, I think about the classic films with the Storks delivering babies, and it's just not a good look for Bitcoin, I think.

36:54Richard Greaser Well, yeah, I think, you got a good perspective on the on the forethought and, you know, filters as a whole. I'm curious on your thoughts. So I was listening to, some James Corbett this week, and, he mentioned that in a recent book that came out about Prince Andrew,

37:18Richard Greaser the author in the initial running of the book had a tidbit where he had uncovered information that, Melania Trump had a intimate relationship with Jeffrey Epstein before meeting,

37:35Richard Greaser Donald Trump. And that the, the Trump family got upset and the publisher, pulled that from the book.

37:44Muck Anic Do you have any thoughts on that? You know, it all it's all coming together now. Maybe with Epstein's funding of Bitcoin Core, it's the potential is all there that maybe that's what got Melania to launch her coin. She learned it from him, and it's just one horrible nexus of shitcoiners,

38:05Muck Anic really, when you get down to it. And I think it's

38:08Richard Greaser very possible that that's true. So, you know, with Epstein's funding of Bitcoin Core, I I think he funded a lot of things. I I don't think it's really anything too damning. But do you think he was a a friend or enemy of Bitcoin, ultimately?

38:27Muck Anic Enemy of Bitcoin, but convince lots of people that he that he was a friend of Bitcoin. So it's it's like a mask on, mask off sort of thing. You know, it's it's hard to say exactly where he was coming from. You know, the the transhumanism and the, creating clones of himself, I mean, that's

38:48Muck Anic that's well known, and I think I I think he was a big fan of Bitcoin, but probably an enemy of it, ultimately.

38:58Richard Greaser Yeah. He he was a he didn't like Bitcoin being seen as money. He had very similar perspectives as Michael Saylor. He thought Bitcoin was more a store of value. I'm curious, just your general thoughts on Sailor.

39:17Muck Anic Sailor's great in my book. He did a little video and said we need to stop the corrupt devs from destroying it. And I was it was like the Super Bowl for me. I I watched that, and I was like, Michael, he's on the team. It was just he was so great to know that, you know, a company that has more than half a million Bitcoins within US jurisdiction and is just doing so much for Bitcoin, and

39:45Muck Anic I think it's just a great thing to know that Michael's on the team.

39:49Richard Greaser Yeah. But he he doesn't believe that Bitcoin's money, which is kinda contradictory to your point and perspective. Right?

39:56Muck Anic Oh, yes. It's quite an issue. We're we're trying to bring him on board. We said, Michael, you've got to start calling it money. You know, enough with this thousand years of a crystal ship in space. All all that stuff is great, but just simplify it for the plebs. You've got you've got to go down to their level. You know? And he gets it. You know? He has a very cynical, condescending sort of view of not only his shareholders, but

40:25Muck Anic of of Bitcoin as in general. So I think I think he'll come around. What what do you mean? You'll see it weeks from now. He'll be posting Bitcoin as money, not file storage. He'll crash out a little bit, but it'll be good, ultimately.

40:42Richard Greaser What what do you mean by cynical view of Bitcoin users?

40:48Muck Anic I think I think that Michael, sadly, you know, he's not married. He's a single man. He's older. He's a he's a billionaire. And I think

41:01Muck Anic as far as the, the mission of Bitcoin, you know, perfect, beautiful money, I think he doesn't like it. I think he just sees digital capital. You know, he sees suit and tie, orange tie, golf course. He's not thinking I mean, he's put it in into words too. He said, like, if you're some sort of,

41:25Muck Anic amico capitalist in thinking this system was a way to separate yourself from it, I mean, he's put it out there. So, well, I guess we are opposed in that respect, but I think eventually, he will realize that he's wrong. It'll come around to how Luke mechanic, and I think it's I think it could work out. You know? We're we're doing what we can to get him on our side. So he's kind of like a neutral character. He's not necessarily

41:55Richard Greaser an enemy of, Bitcoin despite.

41:58Muck Anic Right. Not an enemy yet. Well, I think he's doing great. I think he's a supporter of Bitcoin. You know, he's contributed so much to, the peer to peer rights foundation and other groups that support developers.

42:16Muck Anic I think he's

42:17Richard Greaser he's a good guy. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, are are there any news stories that you think are kind of important to cover for this week? I I know I heard you talking about on Guy Swan's, podcast that there's gonna be some big announcements, some big developments next week that you're excited about.

42:35Muck Anic Yes. Yes. It will be a big deal. It's it's going to be breaking. I'm excited to share it with the community. I think it will turn heads. People will be like, he said what? And it will just it will get so many likes. I probably will have to block a couple people in the comment section now, sadly, after that announcement. But, you know, Paul for the course.

43:01Muck Anic It is a big deal, though. Just you wait. You'll see. It's it's the biggest news in Bitcoin since, I'm gonna say it, since the launch of Ocean and the ETF with the SEC. I think it's it's a big deal. Does it does it have what it takes to replace the absence of a Dennis Porter announcement? I think so. I think this is why Dennis has been building this suspense.

43:28Muck Anic He knows about the announcement, and he thinks if I make an announcement and they're gonna make an announcement, and we have this crossing of the streams of potential announcements, you know, that it confuses the plebs. You you want to build suspense for one announcement at a time. Focus their energy onto one announcement. And I think I think we agree on this.

43:52Richard Greaser Do you is Dennis gonna come back to make this announcement?

43:56Muck Anic Oh, he'll be back. He'll be back alright. After our announcement, what he'll do is he'll take that announcement and piggyback his next announcement to kind of keep the momentum going. I think that's the plan. It'll be it'll be a lesser announcement. You know? There'll be our big, gargantuan, beautiful announcement,

44:17Muck Anic and then his announcement will be, like, kind of a letdown, but also quite exciting.

44:24Richard Greaser And, you know, he's he's a master of that. That's a pretty bold statement. I I can't imagine that you could have a bigger announcement than Dennis. I'm skeptical.

44:35Muck Anic You better believe it. I mean, I I didn't believe it either when behind the scenes, some of the things I've been told about this announcement. I mean, it will make every single one of Dennis's announcements look small in comparison to the you could take all of his announcements

44:55Muck Anic and bundle them into one super announcement, and this one will be a 100 times more effective at bit getting Bitcoin adopted by the world, I think. I know it's a large claim. It's a lot, but I think it will

45:12Muck Anic it will be the biggest announcement ever.

45:16Richard Greaser Well, I'm gonna be waiting by with the anticipation for that. Well, one of the things that we do at the end of the show is, we go through we reread the fountain booths for the week prior. Last week, we discussed Thanksgiving.

45:37Richard Greaser I know you're up in Canada. You don't celebrate American Thanksgiving. You celebrate Canadian Thanksgiving, which is a different date. But with with all the political division, I know you've you've taken a very strong political stance. Do you have any family members that are core supporters or enemies of Bitcoin that makes the holidays contentious?

46:02Muck Anic Oh, yes. At the dinner table, I'll be pointing at my cousin. I'll say, you are an enemy of Bitcoin, and he's he's so difficult with me. He's like, I'm not an enemy of Bitcoin. And I'm like, yes. You are. And it's it's been a problem now for two years. I think it will probably be a problem next year,

46:25Muck Anic but, you know, that's the mission we're on. It it's tearing families apart, so it is quite a problem.

46:32Richard Greaser It wasn't even a discussion around Thanksgiving for my family. Nobody even knew what was going on. Oh, that they didn't know about this whole issue. Yeah. If you if you don't know about the issue, if you're not engaged in the conversation, does that make you an enemy of Bitcoin?

46:47Muck Anic I think so, just by default. But that's like if a tree falls in the woods, does anyone does anyone hear it? I mean, if you don't even know you're an enemy of Bitcoin, can you actually be one? And I tend to think yes, air on the side of caution there. You know, I do have a level of self awareness, and I consider maybe maybe I am an enemy of Bitcoin. You know, maybe you are an enemy of Bitcoin. It's

47:14Muck Anic it's an ever evolving sort of litmus you must do in order to deduce if you're an enemy or not. And I I struggle with that. You know? All my family members, the one thing they did agree upon is they're tired of me at every

47:33Muck Anic every turn. You know? They're talking about their job and their life and what they'd like to accomplish, and I just can't stop talking about the spam on Bitcoin. And it's something I've got to work on, you know, and drawing. Yeah. It's hard when you're,

47:50Richard Greaser excited about something. But,

47:54Muck Anic It is.

47:55Richard Greaser Anyways, so our first boost from fundamentals for 10,101 sats. He says, thankful for the bugle. So I'm just I I I appreciate you doing this interview. I feel like we've been

48:10Richard Greaser you you actually blocked me on Twitter for calling you Plebslop. So I'm just curious, are you thankful for the bugle, or do you see us as, enemies of Bitcoin? I'll put it this way.

48:23Muck Anic I am thankful for certain enemies of Bitcoin, and that includes the bugle, Because I think journalists, they have a place. Even if they are enemies of Bitcoin and they spread misinformation

48:38Muck Anic or disinformation, I think, ultimately, the plebs decide, and they run the show. So it it all it all works out in the end eventually.

48:50Muck Anic I think, now that you've brought it up that I've blocked you, it makes me want to say that I'll unblock you, but I'm gonna have to think about it. Because when it comes to potential enemies of Bitcoin, I'm kinda like McCarthy about it. You know? I make lists. I check them twice. So

49:11Muck Anic I'll think about that.

49:13Richard Greaser If you're like McCarthy, does that mean you're a closet gay?

49:19Muck Anic No. No. And I I do not have a crush on Gloria, and it's it's not that. I'm not gay. Neither is Matt Crowder. I know you were potentially suggesting that with his moving up Bitcoin University in Clarion, but he's not gay either. None of us are gay.

49:40Richard Greaser It's only gay if you enjoy it. Right? Like, he may have slipped his way to the top with Peter Thiel, but maybe he didn't enjoy the process. He just enjoyed the benefits of doing it. Yeah. It's very possible.

49:50Muck Anic It's not gay then.

49:55Richard Greaser Alright. Well, thank you for the boost fundamentals. Next boost from late stage huddle, 6,006 hats, which spells boob, says, I can't believe I forgot to boost again. Hope you all had a great Thanksgiving. Dick Greaser is married. Anyway,

50:11Richard Greaser I've been listening to Linkin Park lately. I guess Mariah Carey is coming up soon. Keep up the good work, boys. You know, I I posted my Spotify rap, and, I had a Linkin Park song as the number two most listened song this year.

50:30Muck Anic Linkin Park's well, I think Linkin Park is great. I think every core developer needs to listen to that Lincoln Park song, what I've done, and they just need to play it on repeat. And then maybe in the end, they listen to that one. Yeah. I figured Bitcoin

50:50Richard Greaser plebs would like, like a park a bit because recently, there there's been a lot of support of high profile Scientologists by Bitcoiners. You got the Cardone brothers running around.

51:07Muck Anic They're great. They know so much about the community in Bitcoin. They're incredible educators.

51:13Richard Greaser Yeah. And I think the lead singer, Lincoln Park, now, she's a Scientologist,

51:17Muck Anic if I remember correctly. Emily Armstrong. You know, I I'm a big fan of Scientology. I think it's a wonderful community. Lots lots of great work there. And the fact that they were able to gain tax exempt status, that means they're not enemies of Bitcoin. You know? It's they're real real deal church now. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see if the plums listen to more Linkin Park this year.

51:41Richard Greaser There's a lot of people that hate on Lincoln Park. There's that one Twitter user, Lincoln Park rules. Big fan of him. But, yeah, it's interesting. I keep on listening to Linkin Park late stage. I used to talk about my wife a lot more on this show in the earlier days. I haven't talked about her as much recently, but yeah.

52:09Richard Greaser Next page from Boba 1,001 says, I need therapy. I absolutely understand nothing. Wait. That's a breakthrough. Fuck the therapy. I'm cured. Thanks, but I ain't sure for what. Just the same. Yeah. I mean, what what

52:30Richard Greaser these guys that are enemies of Bitcoin, do you think they need therapy, or or how can they be helped? Is there any helping them?

52:39Muck Anic Potentially, I think that they can be helped. They can come to realize that they're enemies of Bitcoin and turn it around. Therapy might help. I I've talked to Matt about this. He's going to open up a branch of Bitcoin University for people who need mental health days.

52:59Muck Anic And, basically, students or non students can go and seek treatment for their current status as enemies of Bitcoin.

53:09Richard Greaser So the model is you pay $790 to get taught how not to be a, enemy of Bitcoin?

53:19Muck Anic Well, that'd be part of it. That'd be like an extension of the regular education. You'd also be able to go to therapy to sort of, no longer be an enemy of Bitcoin. You you have to you have to come to understand what made you an enemy of Bitcoin, and then from there, you know, get in understanding.

53:40Muck Anic Interesting.

53:45Richard Greaser Well, I don't think Bubba's an enemy of Bitcoin. I don't think he needs therapy. Appreciate the boost. And here here is someone you labeled in this episode an enemy of Bitcoin, boost from Sasha, hotter,

53:57Muck Anic 500 sats is great show. Right. You've got to consolidate those sats into an address that is is separate. I just I think that would be a good idea because,

54:10Richard Greaser I mean, clear enemy of Bitcoin. So do you think a podcaster should, find a way to to filter fountain boost from individuals that are enemies of Bitcoin?

54:21Muck Anic Or what Potentially, I wouldn't rule it out. You know, Datham has suggested that to me, ways to fix and save Fountain. So we're working on it.

54:34Richard Greaser What are what are Datham's, thoughts on that? It's, just found a need more vibe coding.

54:42Muck Anic Yeah. I think so. More vibes, better vibes. Money Bitcoin is money vibes. I think that would turn things around. You know, Dathan, people don't know it, but he was a NASCAR driver. And after being struck by lightning during a race, he picked up Cody.

55:01Muck Anic And that's that's how we ended up here. I think he could not only save Bitcoin, but also save Fountain, and it's it's an exciting time. Interesting.

55:15Richard Greaser Well, thanks for the boost, Sasha. Pies, a 121 sats. Salute emoji, magnifying glass, steak, mushroom, and, flex. Then Noster Gang, a 102

55:29Richard Greaser sats says, did did stranger things manifest these broccoli haircuts? Broccoli, I think it's kissing emoji. What what are your thoughts on broccoli haircuts?

55:41Muck Anic You know, I don't see a problem with the broccoli haircut. You know, I tend to groom myself in such a way to go for, like, the mountain man aesthetic. You know, I'm out there. I'm on the mountain. But the broccoli haircut is more of a, I hate to say, metrosexual type thing, and

56:03Muck Anic I I think it could work as far as why people do these haircuts. I I don't see a problem with it. I'm I'm too focused on saving Bitcoin to worry about that. But there could be an impetus. Something could happen where it all changes,

56:22Muck Anic and the broccoli haircuts become a clear sign that someone is an enemy of Bitcoin. And then the last boost,

56:31Richard Greaser BTC on board, who you'd probably label as an enemy of Bitcoin because he's got hashtag l enhance or CTV in his handle. 100 sets,

56:41Muck Anic thumbs up, salute emoji, thumbs up. Yes. When I see those tags, l enhanced, CTV, I'm immediately threatened. I see someone with some proficiency as far as scaling Bitcoin, and it's it it it makes me upset.

56:59Muck Anic It's almost it's almost as bad as when I see a clip of Gloria, and I just my whole body tightens up. I almost go into sort of convulsions. And those tags,

57:12Richard Greaser I find them quite triggering. Well, I think I think Luke is a supporter of CTV, or at least he's open minded to it. Do you differ from Luke on the in that regard? If he's open to CTV,

57:25Muck Anic I think there's a chance I I I hate to say it, but maybe he's an enemy of Bitcoin. Very, very interesting. Yeah. I take that back. I could you could you leave that part out, please? Please don't let him hear that. Well, it's it's done. So

57:45Muck Anic I don't think that he's an enemy of Bitcoin. He's also my boss,

57:49Richard Greaser and what he's doing is great. Well, he has saved Bitcoin at least three times. He's working on his fourth right now.

57:55Muck Anic It's amazing, isn't it? I mean, one man saves a distributed system like Bitcoin. I mean, who would have thunk it? You know, it's it's incredible.

58:05Richard Greaser Absolutely. Well, wrapping up the episode, do you have any closing thoughts for our listeners?

58:12Muck Anic I guess my closing thoughts, I would put it as, you know, I I wanted to say this earlier, and I just didn't know how to broach the topic, but, you know, we talk about Club Slop a lot, and it's it's my bread and butter when it comes down to it. I'll be honest. But

58:33Muck Anic I think that Jeffrey Epstein created Club Slop and basically convinced the Mossad and the National Security Council and AI

58:44Muck Anic to pump the American citizens with as much Klebslop as possible to distract them from the spam on Bitcoin. And and that's where I'll leave the listeners to to ponder

58:57Richard Greaser why have they done this. That's a very interesting theory. You're you're not gonna you're not gonna give any conclusions as to why? I just think this the growing surveillance

59:09Muck Anic state and, you know, facial recognition, all these things are happening, you know, this this growing sort of security state. It's really just to distract people from the spam transactions on Bitcoin. I mean, if you if you don't want people to care about the spam on Bitcoin, you distract them with a,

59:32Muck Anic you know, police state. I think I think that's what's happening when I look out into the world today.

59:38Richard Greaser So that's the purpose of the the flock cameras, distract people from spam?

59:45Muck Anic I mean, it seems obvious, doesn't it, when you think about it?

59:49Richard Greaser I don't know if I see that, but that is an interesting theory. So that mean you think Lowell Elites' coverage of, the surveillance state and the the work at the rage that's a distraction?

1:00:04Muck Anic That's exactly what it is. She's an enemy of Bitcoin, if you didn't know. And, yeah, all that coverage is just to scare people and get them worked up about, you know, their rights and liberties in The Republic Of The US, and and those being, you know it's just to get people not to worry about the spam, really. I mean, that's the most pressing issue facing Bitcoin. And you tell people they're scanning your face at Walmart with it when you use the cash.

1:00:34Muck Anic It just it mocks all that up. And I think that's the the goal of,

1:00:41Richard Greaser the deep state. Well, very interesting. This this was definitely a different type of episode of the Bugle Weekly, but, thank you for filling in on, short notice for Rob.

1:00:54Muck Anic Absolutely, Richard. I appreciate the the time.

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