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The White House has confirmed that Dennis Porter is indeed missing and that he was captured by the North Koreans in a daring plot. A state department spokesman told me that the North Korean president, Kim Jong Un, was growing increasingly concerned at the rate that American politicians were becoming orange pilled and that one of America's greatest assets needed to be taken off the table. There are reports that Dennis is in Pyongyang being forced to read state scripted announcements to the North Korean people and that erectile dysfunction has been cured across the country. President Trump had some comments on the matter.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-41">0:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Donald Trump</b> <span class="cue" id="t-41" data-t="41">This is not the announcement I wanted to make. Dennis Porter, one of our country's greatest assets,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-47" data-t="47">a tremendous mind, beautiful enthusiasm for Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-51" data-t="51">has been kidnapped by North Korea.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-54" data-t="54">Terrible situation.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-56" data-t="56">Disgraceful.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-57" data-t="57">And let me tell you, Melania,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-60">0:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Donald Trump</b> <span class="cue" id="t-60" data-t="60">she's very upset,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-61" data-t="61">very disappointed.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-62" data-t="62">She said, Donald, who's going to tweet all those brilliant things now? Because she loves the tweets,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-68" data-t="68">maybe more than mine.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-70" data-t="70">We're gonna work very hard, very fast to bring Dennis home.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-73" data-t="73">America needs him tweeting announcements again. We just subsidized Ozempic,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-79">1:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Buster Cherry</b> <span class="cue" id="t-79" data-t="79">and we can't subsidize Viagra as well. Many are speculating that Dennis's absence from Twitter</span> <span class="cue" id="t-85" data-t="85">ensures that a bear market has begun. Paper Bitcoin winter is looking like it's gonna be a cold one, folks. Please pray for the safe return of Dennis. We desperately need an announcement. This is Buster Cherry signing off.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-107">1:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-107" data-t="107">Welcome, folks, to this edition of the Bugle Weekly. This is a special one.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-114" data-t="114">Unfortunately, Rod is not here today, but I have, found somebody</span> <span class="cue" id="t-118" data-t="118">to, join us. You know, we've been having a lot of shitcoiners</span> <span class="cue" id="t-123" data-t="123">on this show,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-125" data-t="125">and I I feel like it's time</span> <span class="cue" id="t-127" data-t="127">to bring it back</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-130">2:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-130" data-t="130">to somebody who who believes in,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-133" data-t="133">you know, monetary transactions</span> <span class="cue" id="t-135" data-t="135">only. It's been the at the forefront of fighting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-139" data-t="139">the spam today.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-141" data-t="141">Joining me is Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-144" data-t="144">Muck</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-145">2:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-145" data-t="145">Anik.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-146" data-t="146">How's it going, Muck?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-148" data-t="148">Doing well, mate. How are you? Oh, you know, we're getting into the holiday season. It's getting cold outside.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-157" data-t="157">Seems like people are tired and, you know, grumpy.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-160">2:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-160" data-t="160">But, you know, I'm having a good time. I'm having a good time too. You know? It's it's as if people have maybe they've lost interest in in saving Bitcoin, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-169" data-t="169">I intend to capitalize on that grumpiness</span> <span class="cue" id="t-172" data-t="172">and get people back on track.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-174">2:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-174" data-t="174">Absolutely.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-176" data-t="176">Well, it's been an interesting week this week.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-181" data-t="181">We</span> <span class="cue" id="t-182" data-t="182">at the Bugle, we've unfortunately</span> <span class="cue" id="t-186" data-t="186">had a lot of, conflict with,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-189" data-t="189">you know, one of your biggest advocates,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-191">3:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-191" data-t="191">Matthew Crater.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-193" data-t="193">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-194" data-t="194">you know, Ron Palmer was doing some digging this week, and he,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-199" data-t="199">he found evidence that, of nepotism, of Matthew Crater engaging in nepotism and sleeping his way to the top of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-207" data-t="207">Peter</span> <span class="cue" id="t-208" data-t="208">Thiel's hedge fund, Clarium.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-212">3:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-212" data-t="212">I know you two are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-215" data-t="215">appear to be, you know, fairly close or at least, you know, on the same page about a lot of things that you're advocating for.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-222">3:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-222" data-t="222">Do you have any, you know, thoughts on that? I can't speak to whether or not he actually slept to the top, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-229" data-t="229">I look at his stature and his his place in in Bitcoin University.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-234" data-t="234">And while he has been an ally of mine, I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-238" data-t="238">I I shudder to think of what he did to get there, and maybe he did. You know? Matt's an attractive man, very suave.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-245" data-t="245">The ladies loved him. You know? He's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-248" data-t="248">he's a chick magnet,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-250">4:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-250" data-t="250">and it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-251" data-t="251">it's not nice to think that maybe, you know, him and Peter,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-256" data-t="256">maybe other</span> <span class="cue" id="t-258" data-t="258">rich and powerful men have gotten into things together in order for him to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-262" data-t="262">get to that accredited level with</span> <span class="cue" id="t-265" data-t="265">his Pick one University.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-267">4:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-267" data-t="267">But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-268" data-t="268">hopefully, the rumors are not true. But you say you've discovered evidence,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-272" data-t="272">so</span> <span class="cue" id="t-274" data-t="274">I just I just seek the truth. You know? Do you think that,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-279">4:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-279" data-t="279">you know, if this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-281" data-t="281">is true</span> <span class="cue" id="t-282" data-t="282">we're we're waiting for Kratter's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-285" data-t="285">comment on the story, and I'm not sure if he will.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-289" data-t="289">But if it's true, do you think the plebs should still be giving him</span> <span class="cue" id="t-293" data-t="293">$790</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-295">4:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-295" data-t="295">in in tuition</span> <span class="cue" id="t-297" data-t="297">to attend Bitcoin University, or do you think that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-300" data-t="300">they should get their education elsewhere?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-303">5:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-303" data-t="303">I I think they should still attend. Now that tuition is quite affordable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-307" data-t="307">in in today's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-309" data-t="309">mostly Bitcoinized</span> <span class="cue" id="t-311" data-t="311">hyper Bitcoinized world.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-313" data-t="313">I imagine they have the funds to pay for such</span> <span class="cue" id="t-317" data-t="317">a esteemed education,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-320">5:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-320" data-t="320">and I'd say continue to subscribe and and pay that tuition because education, it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-326" data-t="326">Ben Franklin said something about it. Like, the more you have,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-330" data-t="330">the better you are. I think that's what he said.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-334" data-t="334">So, yeah, pay pay Crowder. You know, he's he's doing, good work over there. I I've learned everything I know</span> <span class="cue" id="t-341" data-t="341">about the technicalities</span> <span class="cue" id="t-343" data-t="343">of the Bitcoin network from Bitcoin University. Every last bit of it,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-347">5:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-347" data-t="347">I'm like a sponge.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-349">5:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-349" data-t="349">I figured it it was more you advising him</span> <span class="cue" id="t-353" data-t="353">because I I the way it appears</span> <span class="cue" id="t-356" data-t="356">to be is that you get your information from Luke,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-361" data-t="361">and then you kinda go and disperse the information</span> <span class="cue" id="t-366" data-t="366">online on your podcast and, you know, in other other areas on Twitter spaces or whatever.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-372" data-t="372">And then, Matthew Kratter, you know, gets this information from you.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-376">6:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-376" data-t="376">But you you learn from Matthew</span> <span class="cue" id="t-379" data-t="379">is what you're saying.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-380">6:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-380" data-t="380">Well, it it's kind of a give and a take. And and it may appear like we do coordinated sort of blitzes as far as what information he puts out or I put out, but it's it's all actually decentralized.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-393" data-t="393">You know, it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-394" data-t="394">we're just truth seekers trying to do what's right and what you know? So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-400" data-t="400">I think it's it's a little bit of both. You know? We do talk privately. The group chat with Matt is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-407" data-t="407">quite explosive. There's there's always something fascinating going on, recent developments in Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-415" data-t="415">It's it's hard to say exactly who gets</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-418">6:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-418" data-t="418">the credit for who puts out what first, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-422" data-t="422">it does generally go from Luke. He he calls me, and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-427" data-t="427">he sends me voice notes. Sometimes he's screaming.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-431" data-t="431">He screams a lot. He's he's quite mean to me, to be honest, in private.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-436" data-t="436">He accused me of, stealing one of his his books,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-440" data-t="440">a Bitcoin book.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-442">7:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-442" data-t="442">I denied it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-444" data-t="444">It seemed like Matt was taking his side, and it it it was quite the issue internally</span> <span class="cue" id="t-449" data-t="449">for us,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-452" data-t="452">what people are calling Nazis.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-454" data-t="454">And, that's also hurtful,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-456" data-t="456">but</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-458">7:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-458" data-t="458">it's hard to say exactly who's in charge. I don't know.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-462">7:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-462" data-t="462">Do you find it hurtful to to be called a Nazi? I I feel like</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-467">7:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-467" data-t="467">in today's climate, being called a Nazi is a compliment. It just means that you're handsome. I have heard that. They've said, don't let it get to you. You're handsome. You're a beard. You've got the mountain man aesthetic just so they bounce</span> <span class="cue" id="t-479" data-t="479">off. Reject, you know, the historical</span> <span class="cue" id="t-481" data-t="481">connotations to fascism,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-483" data-t="483">authoritarianism,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-485" data-t="485">and just let that go.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-487" data-t="487">Maybe maybe they're right, but</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-490">8:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-490" data-t="490">secretly, I think deep down, I do like it. It feels powerful</span> <span class="cue" id="t-495" data-t="495">being called Nazi</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-496">8:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-496" data-t="496">with a t. They have a k.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-499">8:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-499" data-t="499">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-500" data-t="500">I I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-502" data-t="502">it does seem negative, but, ultimately,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-506" data-t="506">I was just speaking with Guy Swan, and and I was saying that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-511" data-t="511">I'd spoken to Dathan about this, and he said that Bitcoin is the purest expression of, distributed authoritarianism.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-519" data-t="519">And I felt that that was quite poignant.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-522">8:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-522" data-t="522">So maybe it is a good thing, this</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-525">8:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-525" data-t="525">whole Nazism. Well, it's definitely interesting. It's got the plebs all,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-530" data-t="530">tied up in knots. They are very,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-533" data-t="533">wound up and upset</span> <span class="cue" id="t-535" data-t="535">right now, to say the least.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-538">8:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-538" data-t="538">Yes. It it does seem like we've</span> <span class="cue" id="t-541" data-t="541">created some confusion.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-543" data-t="543">I mean, ultimately, it's worth it. If we can get the fees higher for the pool, I think it was all worth it. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it'll be interesting to see. I'm hoping that Matthew Kratter will, give a response.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-554">9:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-554" data-t="554">Maybe there'll be some pressure from his students to get some answers there about him and get because he's very critical of others engaging in nepotism like Gloria.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-567" data-t="567">So tell me a little bit about your your frustration with Gloria because, you know, she's pretty hot.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-574" data-t="574">I think a lot of it isn't warranted.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-579" data-t="579">I think that Kordev should be able to have sex.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-582">9:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-582" data-t="582">I'm not sure if should. I I've heard that that concept that they should be permitted to have sex and whether or not they consent, whether or not Luke consents.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-591" data-t="591">It is quite the quagmire of sex.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-595" data-t="595">But, really, with Gloria, I think for me, it boils down to a sort of vague jealousy. You know?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-602" data-t="602">She works on Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-604" data-t="604">does all sorts of commits.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-607" data-t="607">And that to me, I I find it quite threatening.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-609">10:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-609" data-t="609">Say, who is this woman?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-612" data-t="612">She's attractive.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-614" data-t="614">I'm attracted to her, but it's sort of like a love hate kind of thing. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-619" data-t="619">it's confusing because,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-621" data-t="621">you know, we've raised her up to be this sort of villain,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-625" data-t="625">but secretly,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-627">10:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-627" data-t="627">I mean, deep down, I actually</span> <span class="cue" id="t-629" data-t="629">I like her quite a lot. So it's it's a struggle for me personally.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-634">10:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-634" data-t="634">It's probably less of a struggle for Matthew Crowder.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-639">10:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-639" data-t="639">No. See, Matt, I think he really doesn't like her. He</span> <span class="cue" id="t-643" data-t="643">he talks about her all the time. He has it's like that episode of Always Sunny with Charlie and the and the board.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-650" data-t="650">There's just lots of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-653" data-t="653">lots of articles that mention there. He's got it all printed out. He's it's it's like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-658" data-t="658">a investigatory</span> <span class="cue" id="t-661" data-t="661">wall of paranoia, and it's it's actually in one of the back rooms of Bitcoin University itself. It's a amazing campus, but</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-670">11:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-670" data-t="670">I really do think he needs to chill on the the whole Gloria thing because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-675" data-t="675">the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-677" data-t="677">he it makes me think that he also has a crush on her</span> <span class="cue" id="t-681" data-t="681">secretly, but it seems genuine. Like, he's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-686" data-t="686">truly angry with her and her contributions to Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-691" data-t="691">many of them. But</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-693">11:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-693" data-t="693">I don't know. It's hard to tell where Matt's coming from. He's a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-697" data-t="697">very secretive man.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-699">11:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-699" data-t="699">I I just kind of assumed with him that he he actually was not he doesn't find her attractive</span> <span class="cue" id="t-706" data-t="706">because Peter Thiel types are more his type</span> <span class="cue" id="t-709" data-t="709">that he's attracted to. But</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-712">11:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-712" data-t="712">Yes. He he does seem to be more into</span> <span class="cue" id="t-716" data-t="716">into the field types, and I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-718" data-t="718">it's hard to tell. I I think that he may have some antipathy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-723" data-t="723">towards Gloria, but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-726" data-t="726">I I mean, maybe,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-728" data-t="728">you know, this could turn around. I'm not sure if Gloria is is single or not, and maybe</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-734">12:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-734" data-t="734">her and Matt, there's a future there.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-736">12:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-736" data-t="736">I don't think so. I think she's kind of out of his league.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-740" data-t="740">But,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-742">12:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-742" data-t="742">anyway, so I think so.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-746">12:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-746" data-t="746">There's been a lot of discussion around the price drop recently</span> <span class="cue" id="t-751" data-t="751">and what's caused it. I, you know, I have my theory on it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-755" data-t="755">that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-756" data-t="756">there's something going on with Dennis Porter. We're we're scrambling to try and figure out where he is and locate it. And currently, he has not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-765" data-t="765">we're recording on a Friday.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-767" data-t="767">He has not tweeted</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-772">12:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-772" data-t="772">in nine days, coming up on ten days. The end of today will be ten days, and I I I think I'm pretty confident he's not gonna tweet today.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-781">13:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-781" data-t="781">It is quite unusual. He's normally quite the tweeter, so it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-786" data-t="786">it's definitely concerning. I mean, there's no breaking news. Maybe that's why. It is like, it it Dennis's</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-793">13:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-793" data-t="793">absence impacts us all in various ways. Like, for you, he's been a staunch supporter of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-801" data-t="801">knots and what Ocean's doing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-804" data-t="804">For us, you know, other individuals, he he's worked tirelessly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-809" data-t="809">to protect our rights</span> <span class="cue" id="t-811" data-t="811">to use Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-814" data-t="814">I'm fearful that</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-816">13:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-816" data-t="816">our rights aren't gonna be protected in his absence. I think you're right. I think Dennis has been a stalwart supporter of our right to use Bitcoin, and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-826" data-t="826">he single handedly protects it. And and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-830" data-t="830">I I feel that when he supports us in our mission,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-834" data-t="834">and without him, we'd be lost. You know, Dennis is truly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-838" data-t="838">the champion of our whole thing when it comes down to it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-843" data-t="843">I started to think what it would be like without Dennis's</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-846">14:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-846" data-t="846">staunch support.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-848" data-t="848">The breaking news, the alarm emojis,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-852" data-t="852">all caps,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-853" data-t="853">random</span> <span class="cue" id="t-855" data-t="855">potential congresspeople in California.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-858" data-t="858">I mean, that was a big one. I was quite excited about that announcement.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-863">14:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-863" data-t="863">Changed the whole game, really.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-865">14:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-865" data-t="865">Yeah. A lot of people were giving him a hard time about it, but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-869" data-t="869">I think Dennis is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-872" data-t="872">a kingmaker when it comes to politics,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-875" data-t="875">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-877" data-t="877">I think he's on the trajectory of becoming the king himself.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-882" data-t="882">I'm I'm hopeful that</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-884">14:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-884" data-t="884">he's gonna run for president in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-887" data-t="887">2028,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-888" data-t="888">and I think he'll win.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-890">14:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-890" data-t="890">It's probable if if Dennis</span> <span class="cue" id="t-893" data-t="893">becomes president Porter in 2028</span> <span class="cue" id="t-895" data-t="895">or</span> <span class="cue" id="t-896" data-t="896">maybe 2032,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-897" data-t="897">if we're being honest, but that that's in the pipeline.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-901" data-t="901">I think there's a chance that we could actually reverse the changes</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-905">15:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-905" data-t="905">that have come about with core v 30. I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-910" data-t="910">as president, he could probably initiate,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-913" data-t="913">maybe make not the official US Bitcoin implementation?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-918" data-t="918">I mean, I might be dreaming, but it's possible.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-921">15:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-921" data-t="921">So do do you think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-924" data-t="924">Bitcoin implementations,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-928" data-t="928">the government's stance on it should be determined through legislation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-932" data-t="932">or through executive order. What do you what do you think that that process should look like going forward in the future?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-938">15:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-938" data-t="938">Well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-939" data-t="939">executive orders, legislation, the those things can work, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-943" data-t="943">I think it really needs to be based on the will of the clubs. And you can find that on Twitter. You just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-950" data-t="950">scroll around, and you'll see that people you know, American citizens</span> <span class="cue" id="t-955" data-t="955">are are clearly in support of our mission. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-960" data-t="960">while laws</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-961">16:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-961" data-t="961">might be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-962" data-t="962">the way to go, I I think it's more</span> <span class="cue" id="t-964" data-t="964">the rough consensus</span> <span class="cue" id="t-966" data-t="966">of what what people on Twitter think and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-970" data-t="970">also how loudly they clap at</span> <span class="cue" id="t-973" data-t="973">Bitcoin events, such as Logano in Switzerland.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-977">16:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-977" data-t="977">I mean, my ego was just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-979" data-t="979">out of control after that. Did you hear</span> <span class="cue" id="t-983" data-t="983">how loudly they were clapping for me? I did. I</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-987">16:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-987" data-t="987">it but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-988" data-t="988">they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-990" data-t="990">they put a laugh track or sorry, a clap track and instructed the audience to clap for you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-996" data-t="996">So I don't know if that's really a way to determine consensus.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1002">16:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1002" data-t="1002">Enhancement,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1003" data-t="1003">but the actual clapping was quite profound. I think They didn't have</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1008">16:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1008" data-t="1008">instructions to clap when Peter Todd was talking,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1012" data-t="1012">which I think is kind of unfair.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1014">16:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1014" data-t="1014">Well, he already got credit with the HBO documentary, so I think in the minds of the plebs,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1020" data-t="1020">you know, he's already gotten plenty of attention, and it was really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1023" data-t="1023">my star was rising at that point, and I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1027" data-t="1027">that that translated to more applause for</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1030">17:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1030" data-t="1030">me. Yeah. Peter Peter Todd's a very,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1033" data-t="1033">you know, Satoshi is a very controversial figure</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1037" data-t="1037">in Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1039" data-t="1039">He's an enemy of Bitcoin. I'll just come out and say it. I mean, that why do you why do you think that is? Why why do you think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1045" data-t="1045">he's had this arc where he went from the creator of Bitcoin to an enemy of Bitcoin?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1051">17:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1051" data-t="1051">It's quite simple. I mean, Peter is concerned with</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1055" data-t="1055">the technology</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1056" data-t="1056">and how it works and the realities of it from an objective</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1060" data-t="1060">sort of viewpoint.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1062" data-t="1062">But, I mean, you and I both know that it's actually about the community. It's it's not so much technology. It's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1070" data-t="1070">Bitcoin is all of us, and I think that's</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1074">17:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1074" data-t="1074">that's what Peter misses, and that's what has made him into</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1079" data-t="1079">a super villain of Bitcoin. And it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1082" data-t="1082">it's quite sad to see him go down this road. And I thought maybe he would run knots and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1089" data-t="1089">climb to Ocean. He he's been very critical of Ocean as far as</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1093" data-t="1093">the time value of money</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1095" data-t="1095">and the the payout system of it. It's just it makes me sad. You know? It's</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1100">18:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1100" data-t="1100">I don't want to hear criticism. I just want support.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1104">18:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1104" data-t="1104">How how do you suggest that people gauge what the you what the plebs, what the users of Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1110" data-t="1110">want?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1111">18:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1111" data-t="1111">What's the best way to do that? Well, I mean, Elon Musk has said that Twitter is the town square. So I I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1120" data-t="1120">we need to put aside, you know, economic incentives and and how it all really plays out in the real world. Put all that aside</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1129" data-t="1129">and just go off the longest,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1131" data-t="1131">most well put Twitter posts. And that it really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1136" data-t="1136">they also how many likes they have, how many followers they have, those sort of things, it it tends to clear it all up</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1144" data-t="1144">pretty quickly for me, anyway.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1149">19:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1149" data-t="1149">I mean, Bitcoin is money. If people are doing things with it that we, the community, don't like, I mean, that's against Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1157" data-t="1157">So it's it's quite simple. Interesting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1161" data-t="1161">Yeah. I mean, it's hard to say what people really want. I I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1167" data-t="1167">I think you just have to go with whatever they're virtue signaling about. Whatever they say,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1172">19:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1172" data-t="1172">that's probably what they actually mean. So that's that's what I do. So yeah. The I mean, how much do you think this, core v 30</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1182" data-t="1182">update</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1183" data-t="1183">has impacted the price? Has this been the biggest driver of, substantially?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1190">19:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1190" data-t="1190">It's it's the number one driver</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1193" data-t="1193">of global liquidity,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1196" data-t="1196">the macroeconomic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1197" data-t="1197">outlook as far as,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1199" data-t="1199">recession odds. I mean, every analyst that I know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1203" data-t="1203">you ask them about, is is Bitcoin a risk on or risk off asset</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1209">20:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1209" data-t="1209">as far as its price and relative</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1211" data-t="1211">to, like, commodities or precious metals. And immediately,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1215" data-t="1215">each of them, they bring up,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1217" data-t="1217">well, v 30.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1219" data-t="1219">And it's it's quite concerning. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1223" data-t="1223">I I think it's the number one driver of of the future bear market in Bitcoin. That's why I've sold all of mine. I don't I don't hold Bitcoin anymore. I don't</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1233">20:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1233" data-t="1233">I don't think it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1235" data-t="1235">it's what it what it used to be. I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1238" data-t="1238">these massive changes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1240" data-t="1240">to the protocol itself</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1242" data-t="1242">through COS</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1244" data-t="1244">software,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1245">20:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1245" data-t="1245">as as I understand it, is what's causing this dip. So if you sold Bitcoin,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1251">20:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1251" data-t="1251">like, what what else is there to own other than Bitcoin? I'm thinking,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1255">20:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1255" data-t="1255">RTX, maybe Lockheed, potentially Netflix.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1259" data-t="1259">I like Netflix.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1261" data-t="1261">So it's defense companies and entertainment to me are the two sectors I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1267" data-t="1267">really have a great future. Maybe health care, UnitedHealth,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1272" data-t="1272">maybe,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1273" data-t="1273">or</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1274">21:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1274" data-t="1274">I'm thinking private prison stocks</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1278" data-t="1278">are really there's something about incarceration</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1281" data-t="1281">that I think is a has a bright future as far as investment.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1286" data-t="1286">You know, since Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1288" data-t="1288">it's been tough. You know, I have to consider</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1291" data-t="1291">earnings and, you know, support and resistance and all these</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1297">21:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1297" data-t="1297">metrics that I didn't quite understand</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1299" data-t="1299">before COVID thirty.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1301">21:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1301" data-t="1301">If if the state starts prosecuting people,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1305" data-t="1305">grabbing CSAM on their notes, I think owning,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1308" data-t="1308">private</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1310" data-t="1310">prison stock</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1311" data-t="1311">is probably</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1313" data-t="1313">a a safe investment.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1314">21:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1314" data-t="1314">Polish. Exactly. That's what that's my thoughts exactly that, you know, if we're putting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1319" data-t="1319">node runners in prison for what they've what they've done and what they've</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1324" data-t="1324">allowed onto their machines, I think it's only fair that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1329" data-t="1329">we we buy up private prison ETFs.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1332">22:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1332" data-t="1332">So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1333" data-t="1333">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1334" data-t="1334">I've heard contradicting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1337" data-t="1337">legal theories</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1339" data-t="1339">on the government prosecuting node runners.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1342" data-t="1342">Sasha</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1343">22:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1343" data-t="1343">Hodder came out. She she's a lawyer. She she's a listener to the show. She's pretty hot. Enemy of Bitcoin. Why why do you say that?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1351">22:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1351" data-t="1351">Well, first of all, she's a woman, and that makes me skeptical.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1355" data-t="1355">It's that might sound unfair, but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1358" data-t="1358">also, her name is Sasha, which makes me think maybe she works for the Russians, and I'm quite paranoid about that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1366" data-t="1366">And the video she made, it got quite a bit of traction, and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1370" data-t="1370">I think she's got something to hide, maybe on her note.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1374">22:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1374" data-t="1374">Interesting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1375" data-t="1375">So you you just, like do you not like women interacting with Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1379" data-t="1379">in general, or is it</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1382">23:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1382" data-t="1382">only hot women? Or It's not all women. It's just that they they make me afraid, and I feel inadequate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1389" data-t="1389">when I when they talk about Bitcoin. Because to me, it's it's not about the technology.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1394" data-t="1394">All the women, they did they just want to talk about the technology.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1398" data-t="1398">I'm just interested in the community. So it's it's a conflict</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1402" data-t="1402">for me. So what are your thoughts on Natalie Brunell? Natalie Brunell, she is not an enemy of Bitcoin. She's actually</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1410" data-t="1410">she runs knots. She,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1413">23:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1413" data-t="1413">she points her compass mining machines to to Ocean. She's a big supporter, believe it or not.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1419">23:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1419" data-t="1419">I I haven't seen her. I didn't know that she runs knots. So she's an advocate for knots. She's in the closet. She doesn't wanna come out openly about it. She's</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1428">23:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1428" data-t="1428">she's a secret knots person, which might be surprising,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1433" data-t="1433">but we convinced her in Lugano. We said, look. You either run knots</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1439" data-t="1439">or you see you see what happened with Gloria. Right? So she I think she made the right choice.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1446">24:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1446" data-t="1446">But but wouldn't you kinda classify that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1449" data-t="1449">as tacitly supporting attacks on Bitcoin if she's silent about it, if she's not a vocal,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1456">24:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1456" data-t="1456">promoter or supporter? Yes. We're working on that. We wanted to have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1460" data-t="1460">a full podcast with me and Luke,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1463" data-t="1463">Jason Hughes and Bob Burnett,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1465" data-t="1465">all of us there to just celebrate knots and and Notion and Datum.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1471" data-t="1471">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1472" data-t="1472">I think it could happen. May maybe within the next couple weeks, we'll do a roundtable.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1480">24:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1480" data-t="1480">It's how we save Bitcoin, I think, in the long run.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1484">24:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1484" data-t="1484">Well, I know the the plebs have wanted you, Luke, to go on,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1489" data-t="1489">Coin Stories for a while. There was that one pleb that wrote that open letter to Natalie</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1495">24:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1495" data-t="1495">pleading with her to have you on. Yes. That was so exciting to read that people are so passionate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1502" data-t="1502">and and wanting us to to be there to spread the good news, and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1507" data-t="1507">I'm in full support of comments like that. No no matter how desperate they might sound</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1512" data-t="1512">and sort of deranged,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1513" data-t="1513">I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1515" data-t="1515">those sort of comments go a long way.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1518">25:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1518" data-t="1518">So I don't know. I mean, what what do you what do you see for the the price happening? Is is it all downwards up until,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1526" data-t="1526">fork activation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1527" data-t="1527">sometime maybe in q one of next year?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1531">25:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1531" data-t="1531">Well, doesn't the fork I think September is the deadline now. It's been pushed back from February. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1538" data-t="1538">I expect the bottom to be somewhere around,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1542" data-t="1542">August to September, and then we go up from there as we fix Bitcoin and save it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1548">25:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1548" data-t="1548">So does that mean that there's not gonna be a pip paper Bitcoin summer?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1552">25:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1552" data-t="1552">It'll be a muted pay paper Bitcoin summer. It'll be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1556" data-t="1556">you know, the treasury companies will be quite beleaguered. Some of them will run knots, and they'll survive.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1563" data-t="1563">But I I think it will be quite a different summer. It will be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1568" data-t="1568">an exit of a bear market summer where everyone realizes that the mission is to save Bitcoin, and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1576" data-t="1576">that means higher prices.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1578" data-t="1578">So</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1579">26:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1579" data-t="1579">it's it's, it's not all bleak</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1582" data-t="1582">and terrible, and I will be buying back, I think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1586" data-t="1586">once we fix it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1592" data-t="1592">And by fix it, I mean, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1594" data-t="1594">once</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1595" data-t="1595">we get what we want and we can impose that on others, then then I will I will buy back it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1603">26:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1603" data-t="1603">Well, I think if that's the case,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1605" data-t="1605">we don't really have any choice but to to filter.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1609" data-t="1609">I think everybody's in in agreement that NGU is important.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1616">26:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1616" data-t="1616">It's the most important metric. So, ultimately,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1619" data-t="1619">everyone will filter, I think.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1622" data-t="1622">It's inevitable.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1624">27:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1624" data-t="1624">How do you how do you convince people that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1628" data-t="1628">the reason we're not experiencing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1629" data-t="1629">NGU is spam and not and not other factors like Dennis Porter being missing or</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1639" data-t="1639">just the general macro environment,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1642" data-t="1642">interest rates, you know, other things?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1646">27:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1646" data-t="1646">Well, what you do is you start with an emotional trigger, something upsetting.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1651">27:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1651" data-t="1651">You tell them</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1652" data-t="1652">that people doing things that you may not like on Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1657" data-t="1657">is what's causing the price to go down, and then you offer them, you know, light at the end of the tunnel, say, here's a solution to make the price go back up.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1667" data-t="1667">And it it generally works. You know, appeal to emotion</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1671" data-t="1671">and then solution,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1673" data-t="1673">and it it tends to work. I mean, people eat it up.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1680">27:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1680" data-t="1680">There's lots of people that aren't convinced, and they make fun of us. And they they say all sorts of mean things, and</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1686">28:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1686" data-t="1686">they're just enemies of Bitcoin when it really comes down to it. Who you you name Peter Todd. Who who are some of the biggest enemies of Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1695" data-t="1695">do you think?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1697">28:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1697" data-t="1697">Shinobi is number one. He</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1700" data-t="1700">by what I've seen on Twitter, he appears to be the number one enemy of Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1705" data-t="1705">I've actually heard a rumor that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1708" data-t="1708">it's just a rumor.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1710" data-t="1710">But, apparently,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1712" data-t="1712">he wants to convince</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1714">28:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1714" data-t="1714">the Bitcoin bar in New York City,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1717" data-t="1717">PubKey, he's going to convince them to accept Ethereum</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1722" data-t="1722">in order to support Bitcoin Core. And I just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1725" data-t="1725">I'm disgusted by it, personally. I think accepting Ethereum</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1730" data-t="1730">to support Bitcoin Core, it doesn't make sense,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1734" data-t="1734">but, you know, you can't stop what others are going to do ultimately.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1739">28:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1739" data-t="1739">When I think of enemies of Bitcoin, he's he's up there. He called me retarded, and I just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1746" data-t="1746">and I don't know what to do about it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1749" data-t="1749">Another one would be let's see.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1753" data-t="1753">Stefan Lovera. He's definitely an enemy of Bitcoin. You know, that panel in Lugano, he was quite testy with me.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1761" data-t="1761">He he didn't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1763" data-t="1763">necessarily</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1764">29:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1764" data-t="1764">believe everything I was saying, and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1766" data-t="1766">it was quite difficult to deal with that contention.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1770">29:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1770" data-t="1770">I I don't think the players were clapping for him.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1773">29:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1773" data-t="1773">No. Just for me. It was all for me. You were able to</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1778">29:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1778" data-t="1778">get Shinobi to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1780" data-t="1780">resign as a core maintainer.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1782">29:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1782" data-t="1782">It was a it's yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1784" data-t="1784">Seeing him step down as a maintainer, of core, was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1788" data-t="1788">people were very pleased about that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1791" data-t="1791">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1792" data-t="1792">I I think it's just one small victory in the spam war.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1797" data-t="1797">We'll have many more victories, but him stepping down, it was</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1801">30:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1801" data-t="1801">it was a day I'll never forget. How how did that play out? How did you convince Shinobi to step down? Just</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1808">30:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1808" data-t="1808">pure brute force pressure on Twitter. You know, he he said he couldn't take it anymore. We were just being mean to him,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1816" data-t="1816">saying we're not retarded. You're retarded. And and that seemed to do the trick</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1821" data-t="1821">after enough attrition.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1823" data-t="1823">Enough posts,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1824" data-t="1824">he he finally</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1826" data-t="1826">capitulated</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1827">30:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1827" data-t="1827">and saw reason. You know? May maybe he's not an enemy of Bitcoin. That's that's what I'm coming around to, but I'm just not sure.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1836" data-t="1836">We're just glad that he has stepped out. That's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1839" data-t="1839">that's my statement on the matter.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1842">30:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1842" data-t="1842">So, essentially, you got him to step down by just saying, no you.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1847">30:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1847" data-t="1847">It worked. Yeah. And believe it or not, it's that simple in Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1850" data-t="1850">Just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1851" data-t="1851">social pressure,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1853" data-t="1853">and it tends to do the trick.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1857">30:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1857" data-t="1857">You think social pressure is an effective way to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1863" data-t="1863">is that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1864" data-t="1864">the future of Bitcoin development?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1867" data-t="1867">Is that what it takes? The only It's all about the community, and if</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1871">31:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1871" data-t="1871">if we can make someone feel as if they're not, you know, they're not cool with the community,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1876" data-t="1876">then,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1877" data-t="1877">yeah, I mean, economic incentives be damned. They'll do</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1881" data-t="1881">they'll do what we want, and I think that's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1884" data-t="1884">how Bitcoin is supposed to work.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1887" data-t="1887">It's a beautiful system,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1888">31:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1888" data-t="1888">social pressure. Do you see any downsides</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1891" data-t="1891">of that?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1893">31:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1893" data-t="1893">No.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1894" data-t="1894">I mean, what do you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1896" data-t="1896">maybe.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1897" data-t="1897">But I I think certain people might see that and go,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1901" data-t="1901">you're being a bit rash. You're being a bit harsh to people. But, I mean, the mission is clear. We've got to save Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1908" data-t="1908">So</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1910">31:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1910" data-t="1910">any means</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1911" data-t="1911">to do that, I think, are justified.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1914">31:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1914" data-t="1914">Well, when when you spin up a mob of angry plebs,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1919" data-t="1919">they might eventually</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1921" data-t="1921">come back after you. We we've seen this happen over and over again with other groups, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1927" data-t="1927">Corey and the Swans,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1930" data-t="1930">for example. The plants were real hot on him for a while,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1934">32:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1934" data-t="1934">and then they turned on him. Yeah. They drank the Swan Pond, so to speak.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1938" data-t="1938">I mean, yeah, that's that's a valid point. You know, I don't really think that far ahead. To me, I'm just in service of our mission, and if it backfires at some point,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1948" data-t="1948">people stop making fun of us relentlessly, and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1952" data-t="1952">we can't get our fork through because we can't convince minors that they're policemen that must do as we want. I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1959" data-t="1959">it could present a future problem, but we'll</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1961">32:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1961" data-t="1961">we'll cross that bridge when we get there. It's it's all about saving Bitcoin today. So one one of the, you know, biggest issues that I've had with this the spam topic in general</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1972" data-t="1972">and with the discussion of the the state</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1975" data-t="1975">coming in and and regulating nodes is I I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1980" data-t="1980">many members of the state are actually</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1983" data-t="1983">users and fans of CSAM.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1987" data-t="1987">So,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1989">33:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1989" data-t="1989">you know, re recently, there's been</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1991" data-t="1991">some discussion,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1993" data-t="1993">some attempts to to release the the Epstein files.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1999" data-t="1999">We're letting many powerful people or</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2003" data-t="2003">or CCM</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2005" data-t="2005">producers or supporters</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2007">33:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2007" data-t="2007">in various ways.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2009">33:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2009" data-t="2009">You know, that's a good point. I I think that's probably true that the government is quite in favor of this these type of things, and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2017" data-t="2017">that's why</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2018" data-t="2018">with Dennis and his work, I think we can convince them to switch some odds. These things will no longer be permitted,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2025" data-t="2025">and you've got to fight evil where it's at. I think that might be the way to do it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2031">33:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2031" data-t="2031">Well, I I think I I've heard Luke say this, that his stance is he believes that a nation state is gonna be the one</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2039" data-t="2039">uploading</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2041" data-t="2041">the CSAM to the blockchain</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2045" data-t="2045">as an attack</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2046" data-t="2046">on Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2048" data-t="2048">They're gonna be the perpetrators of the attack.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2051">34:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2051" data-t="2051">And so the this attempt with the filters is is kind of a a preemptive</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2058" data-t="2058">effort to to prevent the state from doing that, from preventing the Epstein list from, turning Bitcoin into,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2065" data-t="2065">decentralized file storage for their CSAM.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2068">34:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2068" data-t="2068">I think so. That's what we don't want to happen. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2074" data-t="2074">ultimately, just and not only that content itself being, you know, bad.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2079" data-t="2079">I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2081" data-t="2081">if Bitcoin is rebranded,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2083" data-t="2083">you know, you poison the brand with calling it file storage.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2088" data-t="2088">It conjures images of filing cabinets and stacks of paper, and</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2094">34:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2094" data-t="2094">it's just not cool. You know? It's much better to be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2098" data-t="2098">permissionless</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2099" data-t="2099">money</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2100" data-t="2100">that no one can talk with.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2102" data-t="2102">I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2104" data-t="2104">making it file storage, especially for bad things, is is a mistake.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2109">35:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2109" data-t="2109">And whether or not the state is the perpetrator</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2112" data-t="2112">behind this in the future,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2114" data-t="2114">it's just not a good look overall,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2116" data-t="2116">so run not.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2119">35:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2119" data-t="2119">I I had a, you know, conversation with Paul Stork</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2122" data-t="2122">or Paul Sports</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2124" data-t="2124">the other day. And it may have been but yes. I'm sorry. Go ahead. One of one of the things he pointed out was this reality that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2131" data-t="2131">transaction</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2133" data-t="2133">data</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2134" data-t="2134">are files stored on the Bitcoin blockchain. So Bitcoin</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2138">35:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2138" data-t="2138">is file storage</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2140" data-t="2140">by default even when people are using it as money.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2143" data-t="2143">So don't you think it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2146" data-t="2146">a misnomer</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2147" data-t="2147">to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2148" data-t="2148">or just it's incorrect terminology to say that Bitcoin is not file storage.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2153">35:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2153" data-t="2153">I think that's technically correct, but, ultimately, I I'm just concerned with what the community</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2159" data-t="2159">believes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2161" data-t="2161">So these, you know, technical realities that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2164" data-t="2164">I don't pay any attention to. I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2168" data-t="2168">that the blocks that are filled with data, I just I put that out of my mind, and I think that's money.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2176" data-t="2176">You know? And it's it's much easier.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2179">36:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2179" data-t="2179">It's soothing to me on some level. And Paul,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2183" data-t="2183">with his,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2184" data-t="2184">FIP 300,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2185" data-t="2185">what he proved was that he can't he can't be trusted.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2188" data-t="2188">You know? That's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2190" data-t="2190">he crossed the line.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2192">36:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2192" data-t="2192">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2193" data-t="2193">if he believes it's data, you know, maybe it is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2198" data-t="2198">but I won't have any part of what whatever</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2201" data-t="2201">mister Stork is saying. And also just the name Stork, I think about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2206" data-t="2206">the classic films with the Storks delivering babies,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2210" data-t="2210">and it's just not a good look for Bitcoin, I think.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2214">36:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2214" data-t="2214">Well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2216" data-t="2216">yeah, I think, you got a good perspective on the on the forethought and, you know, filters as a whole.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2222" data-t="2222">I'm curious on your thoughts. So I was listening to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2226" data-t="2226">some James Corbett this week, and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2229" data-t="2229">he mentioned that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2233" data-t="2233">in a recent book that came out about Prince Andrew,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2238">37:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2238" data-t="2238">the author</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2241" data-t="2241">in the initial running of the book</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2243" data-t="2243">had a tidbit</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2244" data-t="2244">where he had uncovered information that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2247" data-t="2247">Melania Trump had a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2251" data-t="2251">intimate relationship with Jeffrey Epstein before meeting,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2255">37:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2255" data-t="2255">Donald Trump.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2257" data-t="2257">And that the, the Trump family got upset and the publisher,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2261" data-t="2261">pulled that from the book.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2264">37:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2264" data-t="2264">Do you have any thoughts on that? You know, it all it's all coming together now. Maybe</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2269" data-t="2269">with Epstein's funding of Bitcoin Core,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2273" data-t="2273">it's the potential is all there that maybe</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2276" data-t="2276">that's what got Melania to launch her coin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2279" data-t="2279">She learned it from him, and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2282" data-t="2282">it's just one horrible nexus of shitcoiners,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2285">38:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2285" data-t="2285">really, when you get down to it. And I think it's</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2288">38:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2288" data-t="2288">very possible that that's true. So, you know, with Epstein's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2292" data-t="2292">funding of Bitcoin Core, I I think he funded a lot of things. I I don't think it's really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2298" data-t="2298">anything too damning.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2302" data-t="2302">But do you think he was a a friend or enemy of Bitcoin, ultimately?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2307">38:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2307" data-t="2307">Enemy of Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2308" data-t="2308">but convince lots of people that he that he was a friend of Bitcoin. So it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2314" data-t="2314">it's like a mask on, mask off sort of thing. You know, it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2317" data-t="2317">it's hard to say exactly where he was coming from. You know, the the transhumanism</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2322" data-t="2322">and the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2325" data-t="2325">creating clones of himself, I mean, that's</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2328">38:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2328" data-t="2328">that's well known, and I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2331" data-t="2331">I I think he was a big fan of Bitcoin, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2335" data-t="2335">probably an enemy of it, ultimately.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2338">38:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2338" data-t="2338">Yeah. He he was a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2340" data-t="2340">he didn't like Bitcoin being seen as money. He had very similar perspectives as Michael Saylor.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2346" data-t="2346">He thought Bitcoin was more a store of value.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2351" data-t="2351">I'm curious,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2354" data-t="2354">just your general thoughts on Sailor.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2357">39:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2357" data-t="2357">Sailor's great in my book. He did a little video and said we need to stop the corrupt devs from destroying it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2364" data-t="2364">And I was it was like the Super Bowl for me. I I watched that, and I was like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2370" data-t="2370">Michael, he's on the team. It was just he was so great to know that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2375" data-t="2375">you know, a company that has</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2377" data-t="2377">more than half a million Bitcoins within US jurisdiction and is just doing so much</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2383" data-t="2383">for Bitcoin, and</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2385">39:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2385" data-t="2385">I think it's just a great thing to know that Michael's on the team.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2389">39:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2389" data-t="2389">Yeah. But he he doesn't believe that Bitcoin's money, which is kinda contradictory to your point and perspective. Right?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2396">39:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2396" data-t="2396">Oh, yes. It's quite an issue. We're we're trying to bring him on board. We said, Michael,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2402" data-t="2402">you've got to start calling it money. You know, enough with this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2406" data-t="2406">thousand years of a crystal ship in space. All all that stuff is great, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2411" data-t="2411">just simplify it for the plebs. You've got you've got to go down to their level. You know?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2417" data-t="2417">And he gets it. You know? He has a very cynical,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2421" data-t="2421">condescending sort of view of not only his shareholders, but</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2425">40:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2425" data-t="2425">of of Bitcoin as in general. So I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2428" data-t="2428">I think he'll come around.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2430" data-t="2430">What what do you mean? You'll see it weeks from now. He'll be posting Bitcoin as money,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2436" data-t="2436">not file storage.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2438" data-t="2438">He'll crash out a little bit, but it'll be good, ultimately.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2442">40:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2442" data-t="2442">What what do you mean by cynical</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2444" data-t="2444">view of Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2446" data-t="2446">users?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2448">40:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2448" data-t="2448">I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2449" data-t="2449">I think that Michael, sadly,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2452" data-t="2452">you know, he's not married.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2453" data-t="2453">He's a single man.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2456" data-t="2456">He's older. He's a he's a billionaire.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2459" data-t="2459">And I think</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2461">41:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2461" data-t="2461">as far as the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2463" data-t="2463">the mission of Bitcoin, you know, perfect, beautiful money,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2468" data-t="2468">I think he doesn't like it. I think he just sees digital capital. You know, he sees suit and tie, orange tie,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2476" data-t="2476">golf</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2478" data-t="2478">course. He's not thinking</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2480" data-t="2480">I mean, he's put it in into words too. He said, like, if you're some sort of,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2485">41:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2485" data-t="2485">amico capitalist in thinking this system was a way to separate yourself from it, I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2492" data-t="2492">he's put it out there. So, well, I guess we are opposed in that respect, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2498" data-t="2498">I think eventually, he will realize that he's wrong.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2502" data-t="2502">It'll come around to how Luke</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2505" data-t="2505">mechanic, and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2507" data-t="2507">I think it's I think it could work out. You know? We're we're doing what we can to get him on our side. So he's kind of like a neutral character. He's not necessarily</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2515">41:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2515" data-t="2515">an enemy of, Bitcoin despite.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2518">41:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2518" data-t="2518">Right. Not an enemy yet.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2523" data-t="2523">Well, I think he's doing great. I think he's a supporter of Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2527" data-t="2527">You know, he's contributed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2529" data-t="2529">so much</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2530" data-t="2530">to, the peer to peer rights foundation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2533" data-t="2533">and other groups that support developers.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2536">42:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2536" data-t="2536">I think he's</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2537">42:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2537" data-t="2537">he's a good guy. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, are are there any news stories that you think are kind of important to cover</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2544" data-t="2544">for this week? I I know I heard you talking about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2547" data-t="2547">on Guy Swan's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2550" data-t="2550">podcast that there's gonna be some big announcements, some big developments next week that you're excited about.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2555">42:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2555" data-t="2555">Yes. Yes. It will be a big deal. It's it's going to be breaking.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2560" data-t="2560">I'm excited to share it with the community. I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2564" data-t="2564">it will turn heads. People will be like, he said what?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2567" data-t="2567">And it will just it will get so many likes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2571" data-t="2571">I probably will have to block a couple people in the comment section now, sadly, after that announcement.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2578" data-t="2578">But, you know, Paul for the course.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2581">43:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2581" data-t="2581">It is a big deal, though. Just you wait. You'll see. It's it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2585" data-t="2585">the biggest news in Bitcoin since, I'm gonna say it,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2590" data-t="2590">since the launch of Ocean</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2592" data-t="2592">and the ETF</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2594" data-t="2594">with the SEC. I think it's it's a big deal. Does it does it have what it takes to replace</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2601" data-t="2601">the absence of a Dennis Porter announcement? I think so. I think this is why Dennis has been building this suspense.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2608">43:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2608" data-t="2608">He knows about the announcement, and he thinks</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2611" data-t="2611">if I make an announcement</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2613" data-t="2613">and they're gonna make an announcement,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2615" data-t="2615">and we have this crossing of the streams of potential announcements, you know, that it confuses the plebs. You you want to build suspense for one announcement at a time. Focus their energy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2627" data-t="2627">onto one announcement.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2630" data-t="2630">And I think I think we agree on this.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2632">43:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2632" data-t="2632">Do you is Dennis gonna come back to make this announcement?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2636">43:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2636" data-t="2636">Oh, he'll be back. He'll be back alright.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2639" data-t="2639">After our announcement, what he'll do</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2642" data-t="2642">is he'll take that announcement and piggyback</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2645" data-t="2645">his next announcement to kind of keep the momentum going.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2649" data-t="2649">I think that's the plan. It'll be it'll be a lesser announcement. You know? There'll be our big,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2654" data-t="2654">gargantuan, beautiful announcement,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2657">44:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2657" data-t="2657">and then</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2658" data-t="2658">his announcement will be, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2660" data-t="2660">kind of a letdown,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2661" data-t="2661">but also quite exciting.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2664">44:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2664" data-t="2664">And, you know, he's he's a master of that. That's a pretty bold statement. I I can't imagine that you could have a bigger announcement than Dennis.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2673" data-t="2673">I'm skeptical.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2675">44:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2675" data-t="2675">You better believe it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2676" data-t="2676">I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2677" data-t="2677">I I didn't believe it either when</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2681" data-t="2681">behind the scenes, some of the things I've been told about this announcement. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2686" data-t="2686">it will make every single one of Dennis's announcements</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2690" data-t="2690">look small in comparison to the you could take all of his announcements</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2695">44:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2695" data-t="2695">and bundle them into</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2698" data-t="2698">one super announcement,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2699" data-t="2699">and this one will be a 100 times</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2703" data-t="2703">more effective</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2704" data-t="2704">at bit getting Bitcoin adopted by the world, I think.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2708" data-t="2708">I know it's a large claim. It's a lot, but I think it will</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2712">45:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2712" data-t="2712">it will be the biggest announcement</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2715" data-t="2715">ever.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2716">45:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2716" data-t="2716">Well, I'm</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2718" data-t="2718">gonna be waiting by with the anticipation for that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2722" data-t="2722">Well, one of the things that we do at the end of the show is, we go through we reread the fountain booths</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2729" data-t="2729">for the week prior.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2732" data-t="2732">Last week, we discussed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2735" data-t="2735">Thanksgiving.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2737">45:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2737" data-t="2737">I know you're up in Canada. You don't celebrate American Thanksgiving. You celebrate Canadian Thanksgiving, which is a different date.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2746" data-t="2746">But with with all the political division,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2749" data-t="2749">I know you've you've taken a very strong</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2752" data-t="2752">political stance. Do you have any family members that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2756" data-t="2756">are core supporters</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2758" data-t="2758">or enemies of Bitcoin that makes the holidays contentious?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2762">46:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2762" data-t="2762">Oh, yes. At the dinner table,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2765" data-t="2765">I'll be pointing at my cousin. I'll say, you are an enemy of Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2771" data-t="2771">and he's he's so difficult with me. He's like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2775" data-t="2775">I'm not an enemy of Bitcoin. And I'm like, yes. You are. And it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2779" data-t="2779">it's been a problem now for two years.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2781" data-t="2781">I think it will probably be a problem next year,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2785">46:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2785" data-t="2785">but, you know, that's the mission we're on. It it's tearing families apart, so</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2790" data-t="2790">it is quite a problem.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2792">46:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2792" data-t="2792">It wasn't even a discussion around Thanksgiving for my family.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2796" data-t="2796">Nobody even knew what was going on. Oh, that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2799" data-t="2799">they didn't know about this whole issue. Yeah. If you if you don't know about the issue, if you're not engaged in the conversation, does that make you an enemy of Bitcoin?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2807">46:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2807" data-t="2807">I think so, just by default.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2811" data-t="2811">But that's like if a tree falls in the woods, does anyone</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2815" data-t="2815">does anyone hear it? I mean, if you don't even know you're an enemy of Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2819" data-t="2819">can you actually be one? And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2822" data-t="2822">I tend to think yes, air on the side of caution there. You know, I do have a level of self awareness, and I consider maybe</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2829" data-t="2829">maybe I am an enemy of Bitcoin. You know, maybe you are an enemy of Bitcoin. It's</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2834">47:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2834" data-t="2834">it's an ever evolving</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2836" data-t="2836">sort of litmus</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2838" data-t="2838">you must do in order</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2841" data-t="2841">to deduce if you're an enemy or not. And I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2845" data-t="2845">I struggle with that. You know? All my family members, the one thing they did agree upon is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2851" data-t="2851">they're tired of me at every</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2853">47:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2853" data-t="2853">every turn. You know? They're talking about their job and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2857" data-t="2857">their life and what they'd like to accomplish,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2860" data-t="2860">and I just can't stop talking about the spam on Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2864" data-t="2864">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2865" data-t="2865">it's something I've got to work on, you know, and drawing. Yeah. It's hard when you're,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2870">47:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2870" data-t="2870">excited about something.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2872" data-t="2872">But,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2874">47:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2874" data-t="2874">It is.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2875">47:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2875" data-t="2875">Anyways,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2876" data-t="2876">so our first boost from fundamentals</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2879" data-t="2879">for 10,101</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2881" data-t="2881">sats.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2882" data-t="2882">He says, thankful for the bugle.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2885" data-t="2885">So I'm just I I I appreciate you doing this interview. I feel like we've been</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2890">48:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2890" data-t="2890">you you actually blocked me</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2892" data-t="2892">on Twitter</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2893" data-t="2893">for calling you Plebslop.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2896" data-t="2896">So I'm just curious, are you thankful for the bugle, or do you see us as, enemies of Bitcoin? I'll put it this way.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2903">48:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2903" data-t="2903">I am thankful for certain enemies of Bitcoin, and that includes the bugle,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2909" data-t="2909">Because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2910" data-t="2910">I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2911" data-t="2911">journalists, they have a place.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2913" data-t="2913">Even if they are enemies of Bitcoin and they spread</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2917" data-t="2917">misinformation</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2918">48:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2918" data-t="2918">or disinformation,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2920" data-t="2920">I think, ultimately, the plebs decide,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2923" data-t="2923">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2924" data-t="2924">they run the show.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2926" data-t="2926">So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2928" data-t="2928">it it all it all works out in the end eventually.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2930">48:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2930" data-t="2930">I think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2933" data-t="2933">now that you've brought it up that I've blocked you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2936" data-t="2936">it makes me want to say that I'll unblock you, but I'm gonna have to think about it. Because when it comes to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2942" data-t="2942">potential enemies of Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2945" data-t="2945">I'm kinda like McCarthy about it. You know? I make lists. I check them twice.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2950" data-t="2950">So</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2951">49:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2951" data-t="2951">I'll think about that.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2953">49:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2953" data-t="2953">If you're like McCarthy, does that mean you're a closet gay?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2959">49:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2959" data-t="2959">No. No. And I I do not have a crush on Gloria, and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2964" data-t="2964">it's it's not that. I'm not gay. Neither is Matt Crowder. I know you were potentially suggesting that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2971" data-t="2971">with his moving up</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2973" data-t="2973">Bitcoin University in Clarion, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2976" data-t="2976">he's not gay either.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2978" data-t="2978">None of us are gay.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2980">49:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2980" data-t="2980">It's only gay if you enjoy it. Right? Like, he may have slipped his way to the top with Peter Thiel, but maybe he didn't enjoy the process. He just enjoyed the benefits of doing it. Yeah. It's very possible.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2990">49:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2990" data-t="2990">It's not gay then.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2995">49:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2995" data-t="2995">Alright.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2996" data-t="2996">Well, thank you for the boost fundamentals.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2998" data-t="2998">Next boost from late stage huddle, 6,006</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3002" data-t="3002">hats, which spells boob, says,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3005" data-t="3005">I can't believe I forgot to boost again. Hope you all had a great Thanksgiving.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3009" data-t="3009">Dick Greaser is married. Anyway,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3011">50:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3011" data-t="3011">I've been listening to Linkin Park lately.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3013" data-t="3013">I guess Mariah Carey is coming up soon.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3016" data-t="3016">Keep up the good work, boys.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3019" data-t="3019">You know, I I posted my Spotify rap,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3023" data-t="3023">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3024" data-t="3024">I had a Linkin Park song as the number two most listened song this year.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3030">50:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3030" data-t="3030">Linkin Park's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3031" data-t="3031">well, I think Linkin Park is great.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3034" data-t="3034">I think every core developer needs to listen to that Lincoln Park song, what I've done,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3040" data-t="3040">and they just need</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3041" data-t="3041">to play it on repeat.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3043" data-t="3043">And then maybe in the end, they listen to that one. Yeah. I figured Bitcoin</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3050">50:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3050" data-t="3050">plebs would like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3052" data-t="3052">like a park a bit because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3056" data-t="3056">recently, there there's been a lot of support of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3060" data-t="3060">high profile Scientologists</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3062" data-t="3062">by</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3063" data-t="3063">Bitcoiners. You got the Cardone brothers running around.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3067">51:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3067" data-t="3067">They're great. They know so much about the community in Bitcoin. They're incredible educators.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3073">51:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3073" data-t="3073">Yeah. And I think the lead singer, Lincoln Park, now, she's a Scientologist,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3077">51:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3077" data-t="3077">if I remember correctly. Emily Armstrong. You know, I I'm a big fan of Scientology. I think it's a wonderful community.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3084" data-t="3084">Lots lots of great work there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3087" data-t="3087">And the fact that they were able to gain tax exempt status,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3091" data-t="3091">that means they're not enemies of Bitcoin. You know? It's they're real real deal church now. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see if the plums listen to more Linkin Park this year.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3101">51:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3101" data-t="3101">There's a lot of people that hate on Lincoln Park.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3104" data-t="3104">There's that one Twitter user, Lincoln Park rules. Big fan of him.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3109" data-t="3109">But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3112" data-t="3112">yeah, it's interesting. I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3115" data-t="3115">keep on listening to Linkin Park late stage.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3119" data-t="3119">I used to talk about my wife a lot more on this show in the earlier days. I haven't talked about her as much recently, but yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3129">52:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3129" data-t="3129">Next page from Boba 1,001</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3131" data-t="3131">says, I need therapy. I absolutely understand nothing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3134" data-t="3134">Wait. That's a breakthrough.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3136" data-t="3136">Fuck the therapy. I'm cured.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3139" data-t="3139">Thanks, but I ain't sure for what. Just the same.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3149" data-t="3149">Yeah. I mean, what what</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3150">52:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3150" data-t="3150">these guys that are enemies of Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3153" data-t="3153">do you think they need therapy, or or how can they be helped? Is there any helping them?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3159">52:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3159" data-t="3159">Potentially,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3160" data-t="3160">I think that they can be helped. They can</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3163" data-t="3163">come to realize that they're enemies of Bitcoin and turn it around.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3168" data-t="3168">Therapy might help. I I've talked to Matt about this. He's going to open up</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3173" data-t="3173">a branch of Bitcoin University</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3175" data-t="3175">for people who need mental health days.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3179">52:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3179" data-t="3179">And, basically, students or non students can go and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3183" data-t="3183">seek treatment</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3184" data-t="3184">for their current status as enemies of Bitcoin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3189">53:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3189" data-t="3189">So the model is you pay $790</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3192" data-t="3192">to get</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3194" data-t="3194">taught how not to be a, enemy of Bitcoin?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3199">53:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3199" data-t="3199">Well, that'd be part of it. That'd be like an extension of the regular education.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3203" data-t="3203">You'd also be able to go</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3207" data-t="3207">to therapy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3209" data-t="3209">to sort of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3211" data-t="3211">no longer be an enemy of Bitcoin. You you have to you have to come to understand what made you an enemy of Bitcoin, and then</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3218" data-t="3218">from there, you know, get in understanding.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3220">53:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3220" data-t="3220">Interesting.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3225">53:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3225" data-t="3225">Well, I don't think Bubba's an enemy of Bitcoin. I don't think he needs therapy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3229" data-t="3229">Appreciate the boost.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3231" data-t="3231">And here here is someone you labeled in this episode an enemy of Bitcoin, boost from Sasha, hotter,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3237">53:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3237" data-t="3237">500 sats is great show. Right. You've got to consolidate those sats into an address that is is separate.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3245" data-t="3245">I just I think that would be a good idea because,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3250">54:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3250" data-t="3250">I mean, clear enemy of Bitcoin. So do you think a podcaster should,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3255" data-t="3255">find a way to to filter</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3257" data-t="3257">fountain boost</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3258" data-t="3258">from individuals that are enemies of Bitcoin?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3261">54:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3261" data-t="3261">Or what</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3263" data-t="3263">Potentially,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3264" data-t="3264">I wouldn't rule it out. You know, Datham has suggested that to me,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3268" data-t="3268">ways to fix and save Fountain. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3272" data-t="3272">we're working on it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3274">54:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3274" data-t="3274">What are what are Datham's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3276" data-t="3276">thoughts on that? It's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3279" data-t="3279">just found a need more vibe coding.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3282">54:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3282" data-t="3282">Yeah. I think so.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3283" data-t="3283">More vibes, better vibes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3286" data-t="3286">Money Bitcoin is money vibes. I think that would turn things around.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3291" data-t="3291">You know, Dathan, people don't know it, but he was a NASCAR driver.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3295" data-t="3295">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3296" data-t="3296">after being struck by lightning during a race, he picked up Cody.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3301">55:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3301" data-t="3301">And that's that's how we ended up here.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3304" data-t="3304">I think he could not only save Bitcoin, but also save Fountain,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3309" data-t="3309">and it's it's an exciting time. Interesting.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3315">55:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3315" data-t="3315">Well, thanks for the boost, Sasha. Pies, a 121</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3318" data-t="3318">sats.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3319" data-t="3319">Salute emoji, magnifying glass,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3322" data-t="3322">steak, mushroom, and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3325" data-t="3325">flex.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3327" data-t="3327">Then Noster Gang, a 102</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3329">55:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3329" data-t="3329">sats says, did did stranger things manifest these broccoli haircuts?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3333" data-t="3333">Broccoli,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3336" data-t="3336">I think it's kissing emoji.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3338" data-t="3338">What what are your thoughts on broccoli haircuts?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3341">55:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3341" data-t="3341">You know, I don't see a problem with the broccoli haircut. You know, I tend to groom myself in such a way</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3348" data-t="3348">to go for, like, the mountain man aesthetic.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3351" data-t="3351">You know, I'm out there. I'm on the mountain.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3354" data-t="3354">But the broccoli haircut is more of a,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3358" data-t="3358">I hate to say, metrosexual</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3360" data-t="3360">type thing, and</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3363">56:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3363" data-t="3363">I I think it could work as far as</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3366" data-t="3366">why people do these haircuts. I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3368" data-t="3368">I don't see a problem with it. I'm I'm too focused on saving Bitcoin to worry about that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3375" data-t="3375">But there could be an impetus.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3377" data-t="3377">Something could happen</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3379" data-t="3379">where it all changes,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3382">56:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3382" data-t="3382">and the broccoli haircuts become a clear sign that someone is an enemy of Bitcoin. And then the last boost,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3391">56:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3391" data-t="3391">BTC on board, who you'd probably label as an enemy of Bitcoin because he's got</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3396" data-t="3396">hashtag l enhance or CTV in his handle. 100 sets,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3401">56:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3401" data-t="3401">thumbs up, salute emoji, thumbs up. Yes. When I see those tags, l enhanced, CTV,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3407" data-t="3407">I'm</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3408" data-t="3408">immediately threatened. I see someone with some proficiency</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3412" data-t="3412">as far as</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3414" data-t="3414">scaling Bitcoin, and it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3416" data-t="3416">it it it makes me upset.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3419">56:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3419" data-t="3419">It's almost</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3420" data-t="3420">it's almost as bad as when I see a clip of Gloria, and I just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3425" data-t="3425">my whole body tightens up. I almost go into sort of convulsions.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3430" data-t="3430">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3431" data-t="3431">those tags,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3432">57:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3432" data-t="3432">I find them quite triggering. Well, I think I think Luke is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3436" data-t="3436">a supporter of CTV, or at least he's open minded to it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3440" data-t="3440">Do you differ from Luke on the in that regard? If he's open to CTV,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3445">57:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3445" data-t="3445">I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3446" data-t="3446">there's a chance</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3449" data-t="3449">I I I hate to say it, but maybe he's an enemy of Bitcoin. Very, very interesting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3455" data-t="3455">Yeah. I take that back. I could you could you leave that part out, please? Please</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3460" data-t="3460">don't let him hear that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3462" data-t="3462">Well, it's it's done. So</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3465">57:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3465" data-t="3465">I don't think that he's an enemy of Bitcoin. He's also my boss,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3469">57:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3469" data-t="3469">and what he's doing is great. Well, he has saved Bitcoin at least three times. He's working on his fourth right now.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3475">57:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3475" data-t="3475">It's amazing, isn't it? I mean, one man</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3478" data-t="3478">saves</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3479" data-t="3479">a distributed system like Bitcoin. I mean, who would have thunk it? You know, it's it's incredible.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3485">58:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3485" data-t="3485">Absolutely.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3487" data-t="3487">Well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3488" data-t="3488">wrapping up the episode,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3489" data-t="3489">do you have any closing thoughts for our listeners?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3492">58:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3492" data-t="3492">I guess my closing thoughts,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3495" data-t="3495">I would put it as, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3498" data-t="3498">I I wanted to say this earlier, and I just didn't know how to broach the topic, but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3503" data-t="3503">you know, we talk</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3505" data-t="3505">about Club Slop a lot, and it's it's my bread and butter when it comes down to it. I'll be honest.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3511" data-t="3511">But</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3513">58:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3513" data-t="3513">I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3514" data-t="3514">that Jeffrey Epstein</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3516" data-t="3516">created Club Slop</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3518" data-t="3518">and basically convinced</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3520" data-t="3520">the Mossad</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3521" data-t="3521">and the National Security Council and AI</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3524">58:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3524" data-t="3524">to pump the American citizens</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3527" data-t="3527">with as much Klebslop as possible</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3530" data-t="3530">to distract them from the spam on Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3533" data-t="3533">And and that's where I'll leave the listeners to to ponder</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3537">58:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3537" data-t="3537">why have they done this. That's a very interesting theory.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3542" data-t="3542">You're you're not gonna you're not gonna give any conclusions as to why? I just think this the growing surveillance</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3549">59:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3549" data-t="3549">state and, you know, facial recognition,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3553" data-t="3553">all these things are happening, you know, this this growing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3556" data-t="3556">sort of security state.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3559" data-t="3559">It's really just to distract people from the spam transactions</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3563" data-t="3563">on Bitcoin. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3566" data-t="3566">if you if you don't want people to care about the spam on Bitcoin, you distract them with a,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3572">59:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3572" data-t="3572">you know, police state.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3574" data-t="3574">I think I think that's what's happening</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3576" data-t="3576">when I look out into the world today.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3578">59:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3578" data-t="3578">So that's the purpose of the the flock cameras, distract people from spam?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3585">59:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3585" data-t="3585">I mean, it seems obvious, doesn't it, when you think about it?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3589">59:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3589" data-t="3589">I don't know if I see that, but that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3592" data-t="3592">is an interesting theory.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3596" data-t="3596">So that mean you think Lowell Elites' coverage of, the surveillance state and the the work at the rage that's a distraction?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3604">1:00:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3604" data-t="3604">That's exactly what it is. She's an enemy of Bitcoin, if you didn't know. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3608" data-t="3608">yeah, all that coverage is just to scare people and get them worked up about, you know, their rights and liberties</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3616" data-t="3616">in The Republic Of The US,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3618" data-t="3618">and and those being, you know</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3622" data-t="3622">it's just to get people not to worry about the spam, really. I mean, that's the most pressing issue facing Bitcoin. And you tell people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3630" data-t="3630">they're scanning your face at Walmart with it when you use the cash.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3634">1:00:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Muck Anic</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3634" data-t="3634">It just it mocks all that up. And I think that's the the goal of,</span></span></p> +