0:02Richard Greaser Since Peter Todd published the Bitcoin white paper in 2008, many great cipher punks analyzed Satoshi's mediocre c plus plus code to become true believers in the electronic peer to peer cash experiment to separate money from stake. Over the years, many cypherpunks have become born again Bitcoin maximalists ready to march together hand in hand to the citadels after hyperbitcoinization.

0:29Richard Greaser One such cyberpunk has consistently stood out from the crowd of his alleged peers. Looking like a giant hairy minion from Despicable Me, he commanded the attention and respect of even the most irreverent audiences in the notoriously boisterous

0:46Richard Greaser Twitter Spaces arena. Sharing his conviction and his respect for macro, he even captured the allegiance of the most rebellious meme gang known to man, Triple Elite Memes. In the spring of two thousand twenty four, he shocked the world by becoming the inaugural March Maxi Madness influencer tournament champion, defeating Michael Saylor in the final four just weeks before he helped organize the world's greatest having party to date in El Salvador.

1:17Richard Greaser And he has fought alongside some of the lowest time preference meme warriors who have ever lived in the trenches of Bitcoin Twitter and into our hearts. His bullishness, strength of character, and his never stop believing ethos have earned him the admiration of all who transact adversarially

1:36Richard Greaser on the network. On top of all that, he is also one of 21,000,000 co hosts for one of the longest running Bitcoin podcasts in the world, Meme Factory He has also had an opportunity

1:51Richard Greaser to interview titans of industry such as Michael Saylor, Matt O'Dell, and the lovely Win Alden alongside his legendary co hosts including Big Sean Harris and Gregg. He is the big bird of the Mediterranean, none other than the legendary cypherpunk,

2:09Richard Greaser Yellow. Yellow, thank you so much for coming on Bugle's behind the podcast, Bitcoin podcast. How the hell are you doing today, sir?

2:19Yellow What's up, fans? It's great to be here, guys. Love you guys. What what are into? Wow. I gotta I gotta take a copy of that and, like, print it and, like, put it up in my wall or something. That was great. I feel I feel better.

2:39Richard Greaser It it you are is it hard to maintain bot sec and prevent from being dodged when you are a bright yellow, hairy, orange, you know, behemoth?

2:53Yellow It's kinda hard. I try I try my best to do what I do best as, that was profound. Goddamn it. Anyway, yeah, I tried my best. I tried my best. I don't know about the opposite thing. I'm trying my best also there.

3:14Yellow But, yeah, it's really hard to be, the bigger man. You know? Factor.

3:25Rod Palmer What are your thoughts on the recent price dip in Bitcoin? Is it shaking your confidence?

3:33Yellow The price has been dumped?

3:38Richard Greaser I'm really yeah. It is it is, like, 83 US d t right now. I don't know what that,

3:47Yellow translates to Europe. Price. Sorry. I'm gonna interrupt you there, Rod. I don't watch, u s USD. See, I I only watch USD Tether. What's on Tether? It's a little bit up. It's more, I think. Right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. We we are on the Tether standard

4:06Richard Greaser here on the beauty podcast. Yeah. Are you

4:12Yellow So Me me and the French guy from Bull Bitcoin love tether on liquid.

4:20Rod Palmer Are you thinking that you're going to need to bring back your Twitter spaces

4:26Yellow to bring the price back? I have I have a lot of pressure for to do that. I have now an open agreement. I was back to the corner from Bob from Stack Trainers. Bob, the guy that calls connecting the mannequins.

4:43Yellow And, he made me promise that if we reach 58 k, on the dump, I have to restart it every day until we reach a 100 k again. So that's a thing. And, also,

5:00Yellow if even if that happens or if that happens also, I have to do something around DSP because I I took a big break. I'm kinda bored now, so I have to restart it somehow. You know? Maybe in a weekly. That was, yeah, that was gonna be my question.

5:20Richard Greaser You you know, a few weeks ago, a month ago or so, it seemed like you were never gonna have to do that spaces again. It seemed like we were, you know, the macro analyst told us after a 100, you know, in five, a 106, that it was thin air, and we were gonna be ripping up a hundred and fifty two hundred k that did not happen But you did have some time off. What have you been doing? Well, how have you been spending your time? Have you been hitting the beach? Have you been I mean have you been trying to learn to make baklava so, I mean, you can be as good as Mandrake? Like, what are you doing with your time off?

5:59Yellow Yeah. So I, I, I, hypnotized myself to think that what I did was so difficult

6:13Yellow that I needed, time off it. And by by it, I mean, off Twitter, which I didn't do, but I kept on lurking, with no any,

6:28Yellow remorse or productivity whatsoever, on the scope. So I basically wasted time, and

6:39Yellow I got got fatter also. So that's that's that's what I did. I did nothing. I did absolutely nothing. I was glorious, but I feel now I have to, you know, get myself, together a little bit. Do started doing memes again. I barely did any memes also. Like, I feel very few memes. So I gotta I gotta get in and grind again.

7:02Richard Greaser Is there any sort of, like is there any you know, people who have an amputation they have called phantom limbs where they can feel the arm or leg that's no longer there. When you stop when you are at your essence, at the very core of your being a memer,

7:21Richard Greaser how what where does that creativity go? What happens when you stop making memes? Do you start to have meme dreams? Do you start to have, you know, holes in a like, what happens? Can you walk us through that? Because that seems like an interesting scenario.

7:37Yellow Yeah. What happens is you do the same jokes, but with your normal friends and family or everyday people. And every one of those jokes, like, drops, like, doesn't land. Right? So it's like, like,

7:56Yellow basically, you live, like, a life, like, feeling that you're, like, the most, like, non funny guy ever because any kind of reference you try to convey, they don't get it. So, yeah, that's why I have to come back to the thing that that I am at least considered a little bit funny. You know? Yeah. And It's all it's all about my ego in there. You know? Of course. And

8:24Richard Greaser it's relatively well known that grandmasters of chess can burn multiple thousand calories per chess match because it's such an a cerebral intellectual practice. And that's the same with making memes. Making really good memes burns thousands of calories, and it sounds like your lack of, being able to create memes has has added a few pounds around the waist as well. So you gotta burn that off.

8:53Yellow Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, also, polyester skin doesn't, like, stretch that much. You know? So I gotta be careful about that. Polyester, skin marks is a thing

9:05Rod Palmer for buckets. I wanna get your take on the current climate of the meme gangs. So there's a lot of disruption happening. The the Twitter meme gangs were very relevant in the twenty twenty one bull market. The fifty eight ks gang was very prolific. Bitcoin kindergarten was around. The Moscow metards were

9:29Richard Greaser Meme factory, of course. Meme factory,

9:32Rod Palmer the council of bands. A lot of these guys have fallen off. Bitcoin Kindergarten isn't publishing. The Council of Bens has pretty much disappeared. They're in complete disarray. Ben the Carmen joined the Taproot Wizards. Meme Tards, I haven't seen much from them. Fifty eight ks game. We're well above fifty eight ks. They're they're still tweeting, but they're not really gaining a lot of traction.

9:59Rod Palmer It it seems like it's meme factory, and that's about it right now. But what's your take on the Oh, and we can't forget triple elite memes and all the, conflict that they're experiencing right now. So what's your take on the meme gang ecosystem? Are there gonna be any rising stars, or are we gonna see any beefs, conflicts going forward in the future?

10:29Yellow That's a bigger discussion that we can have about the ecosystem in general changing. The the our thing, the thing that we love and we knew until now is changing. It's not the same. And it's not like something, you know, like the old the old the old the old, series of guys will tell to the new guys as a thing. In my day, you know, things were no. It's actually changed. You can actually see it. When when newbies

11:02Yellow have Bitcoin and MS MSTR on their bio, most of the newbies have it have it. Let's not kid ourselves. You understand that the new guys coming in are not gonna bring the same fire that we had about memeing and seedposting and fighting back the good fight. Right?

11:24Yellow You're gonna see lens less, fuck the banks, and you're gonna see more my fucking thing pumped, whatever that is. Bitcoin wrapped in, MSTR strategy leveraged thing. Right? And we have to that in fact, that

11:42Yellow impacts everything also like the so called win dance we had. Also, some guys, it's it's normal that they did it one cycle. They did it two cycles. You know? Even from the main factory also.

12:01Yellow You can see it on the test stream that we're not all there. Like, some had babies. You know? Some had had to work in order to stock more so they cannot be there. So, it's, it's normal

12:18Yellow at some to lose some in the in the Twitter timeline. You know? Labra, we open the door, and we don't know where he is. Like, stuff like that happens. You know? And, it's natural, but also it's impacted and and, I would say, infected

12:39Yellow by the general change of the ecosystem, which is more guys, more macro stuff, and more.

12:55Richard Greaser Oh, yeah. One of the biggest developments that I think a lot of people still do not necessarily give the credit it deserves, but it's definitely absorbed

13:09Richard Greaser a lot of the, Bitcoin maximalist, the people who truly, embody that ethos. They've been absorbed into noster. And noster is it's not huge. It is the u UX is okay at best. It's kinda hard to find people and to,

13:28Richard Greaser get your relays connected. But as we talked about many many times on this on this podcast, the the revolution will not have good user experience. And the most cypherpunk, you know, tip of the spear Bitcoiners are going to the places where the the user experience is the least evolved, the least pleasant. And Nasr has really taken that. So big or, Bitcoin Twitter, if if you want to still say that Bitcoin Twitter even exists, which is hard to say anymore

14:00Richard Greaser it's now mostly run by you know Tether, the liquid Tether Alliance, Fred Krueger and and people who they like to use Bitcoin as a way to elevate their platform,

14:17Richard Greaser but they, pump and dump meme coins onto their new followers, almost very quickly. And it's it's very difficult to create a good strength, a good piece of community when everybody is pumping and dumping each other.

14:36Yellow Yeah. I agree. Was that a question?

14:40Richard Greaser No. I guess my question would be, what is how much have you been involved in in Nostr, and is the are you able to overcome the bad user experience?

14:52Yellow Okay. So I have a thing that I don't like to do what the other people tell me to do. And I also double down on that feeling, that when you tell me what to do and start to nudge me at some certain direction I have, I think that I do the opposite.

15:18Yellow I know it's not very productive. It's kinda distracting most of the times, but at least it's funny. It produces, like, laughter, so that's a win. So on Aster, I tried many times to push myself to go on Aster and really

15:37Yellow stay on Nasr, but I don't wanna I don't wanna just be on there. I to me, it's more funny for me to start, like, fucking memeing and shitposting.

15:56Yellow Like, I've I've thought about it. Like, even, like, going buying, like, a cheap, like, fucking mobile and download TikTok or or even fucking Grindr. I don't know. Like, there's more more more apps out there that you can spread the message and,

16:15Yellow viruses. And, also, you know, yeah. So, Nasr, I hear you on that. Like, I've said it no for for real now. Like I said it before, if if your if your thing is, like, just education

16:32Yellow and, hearing about the news and being informed and all that, Nasr is great. You get the signal pure, pure signal. But if your thing is, like, my thing, which is, like, basically, riffing over the guys and being a mirror to their shenanigans and the bullshit and,

16:50Yellow you know, like, playing, like, the role of the joker. Like, I cannot do that on Nasr because I I agree with most of the guys there. Like, I don't find that. So I gotta find there somewhere. So where is that? That's on x. That's less on Reddit because they ban everything. You know, it's like platforms

17:12Yellow that like that that I can find that and react and be the reply guy and actually, maybe give my message, alternative message to someone that is reading the replies. You're you're So I hear you, but for me as, we have to be everywhere.

17:31Rod Palmer Not just Naster, not just Twitter. Everywhere. You're you're here for the fight. You wanna be on the front lines of the battleground, and you just don't see Naster as the battleground.

17:48Richard Greaser I would not let me let me let me jump on that. I because I agree with what you the way you framed it, Richard. Nostr is like the memeing and posting boot camp. It is where you go to, to boot. You know, it's like if you play call of duty, you do the bootcamp and you, you parachute in and, you know, you just build up your, your points and your experience. And when you're ready, once you can once you can go viral and trend on nostril, you're ready to now maybe join a group chat or a meme game

18:24Richard Greaser on Twitter, but if you just join a Twitter meme game right off the bat, it's like going to prison. You just you're gonna just join who whoever intimidates you the most, whoever you don't want to be dunked on or rate or, you know, you know, ratioed by the most. And it might not be the right fit. You have to work up that that discipline and that's that courage and that, confidence to be able to to handle it. So it's Noster is a good it is a good tool.

18:55Richard Greaser But for for somebody let's put it this way for somebody who wins the inaugural March Maxey Madness tournament and beats Michael Sailor in the process. He

19:08Richard Greaser it's Noster is just a little too below somebody like yellow.

19:12Rod Palmer Mhmm.

19:14Yellow Yeah. I don't fucking know some. Yeah. I agree. I'm too big for Noster. We are in agreement.

19:24Richard Greaser The relays can't handle all your mean.

19:28Yellow Yeah. No. I kinda like I I I like Nasr. I understand what they're doing. I really do. Whenever I really wanna educate myself on purely Bitcoin stuff, what the fuck is going on? And I cannot understand it through the nonsense on my Twitter timeline, which is most of the time I'll log in on Nasr, get the info right away, get the technicalities and more

19:55Yellow like, in the technical side, why is that? I'll see the discussion, what's the two sides, and that's it. And, that's that's great for that. But other than that, I really need my fix, my my my my kind of thing, which is,

20:13Yellow being on the twenties as their kids say.

20:18Rod Palmer I really like the idea of Noster being the training ground. So it's kind of like Jack Dorsey and Matt O'Dell's School of the Americas. And I don't know I'm not sure yellow if you're familiar with that, but that was a training ground in The United States that the CIA had where they would train rebels to go fight around the world, specifically in South America, and it was very top secret.

20:47Rod Palmer I think that's that's kind of what Noster is. And Right. It makes sense. It makes sense. You had your training. Can you can you talk about what it was like for you coming up without any sort of, you know, specific training or or guardrails, just trial and error. How did you become the world's one of the world's most prolific meme ers and the winner

21:14Rod Palmer of the inaugural twenty twenty four Marks Maxey Madness?

21:25Yellow I started memeing a seed posting in a in a great time back in 02/1718, and '19, that bear market, that big bear market.

21:41Yellow I was a back then, and I started learning how to meme and how to, sit post, around threads of InvestPro. So I was part of that gang, the InvestPro,

21:60Yellow gang.

22:01Richard Greaser So InversePro was one of your mentors?

22:05Yellow He was one of the first, like, kind of, like, groups that I clicked. Like, even though like, I clicked around humor and, shenanigans and surrealism. And, I remember back then,

22:22Yellow we used to have fights on the threads, with other people like me that were around InvestPro, but those fights were, like, becoming more and more, like, a reply and a meme video with an animation proper animation.

22:42Yellow So we started, like, naming making, like, whole fights, and people, like, would would that and quote that and write the caption like, this is CT. This is why I love CT and all

22:58Yellow that. And, slowly and steady, I made more and more mistakes around seed coins. I am still a fan of that kind of, like, threads, seed coin threads

23:14Yellow that there's a a special kind of, like, dark humor that you cannot find in the in the hopeful side of ours that much that I really miss.

23:29Yellow And that's why sometimes I also go in a dark places or mean dark stuff. You know? Because I miss that kind of, like, oh, I fucking lost it again kind of humor. You know? Self deep duplicating humor. That's where I learned to do whatever whatever this is.

23:52Richard Greaser So when people talk about very they they talk very bullishly about a future hyper Bitcoinization, and they talk about the citadels, etcetera, etcetera. There is

24:05Richard Greaser a meaningful lack of duality in the future that Bitcoiners imagine. So you talk about and I think the reason that you are popular and the reason that many of the most popular meme ers, are so adored

24:23Richard Greaser is because of their ability to find humor and to find irony and appreciate the darkest times of of the bear market of the news cycle of of all of that. And there's too much

24:39Richard Greaser there's too much people preparing for like this perfect future. And they're trying to avoid the darkness. What what aspect would you say of Bitcoin,

24:56Richard Greaser the community, other than, like, that darkness, or maybe you can elaborate on it, do you think is missing? Because it seems like you miss some of the camaraderie of the shit coin world and, like, being all together and losing

25:13Richard Greaser your life savings or whatever. Is is that, is that a fair assessment? Do you kind of think that there's just a little too much, joy or a little too much forced optimism in the Bitcoin side?

25:38Yellow Not really. Because, like, in the end, the fucking thing goes up. So in the end, hope prevails. Like, at least in the fourth cycle, I mean, right,

25:53Yellow it's that fucking old video of, like, one time Bitcoin, like, crashed to 30¢ and wait wait. You know? That thing happens again and again. So pragmatically, it is hopeful. What I'm but what I do cringe about is

26:13Yellow selling that hope, especially through all those podcasts and, breed love series out there that really

26:26Yellow will put even, like, fail, like, god god like religious kind of, like, quotation without being funny,

26:39Yellow obviously, and they'll be serious about it. Like right? They will have that it will they will send you that some, like and and in the end, they will, like, give you, like, even a link. You know? Come to my me I mean, down in South Africa or something, some America, to my retreat when we're gonna center ourselves, Kumbaya,

27:01Yellow our Genesis black, and, ping pong trace route are our hopeful mentality towards a hybrid. Like, they will find something to say. You know?

27:15Rod Palmer So it's like that yeah. It sounds like you're concerned that there's a lot of people out there that are getting their hopes up by individuals like Robert Breedlove that if they listen to his podcast, that they'll get girlfriends, and that's all it's gonna take this cycle.

27:34Yellow Yeah. You can put it like that. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. You know, like, in the end, what I missed about the, the and

27:48Yellow that camaraderie Rod said was at least, like, be just be truthful of what it is. You know? Like, as you said, like, there's a duality to beacon about everything.

28:05Yellow And beacon can be the best thing that ever happened in mankind. It's not yet. It's not yet. And let's be honest about it.

28:18Yellow And it also can be a great experiment that in my go goes wrong in the end. We're fighting we're fighting the good fight not to be and be truthful and and be adapted and truly be used as it meant to be used. Right? That's the fight now,

28:39Yellow the usage of it. But in the end, like, we have to keep, like, certain levels, whatever that is about Bitcoin in check.

28:53Yellow Not not overdo it, not oversell it in some aspects because that that control that that generates imbalance imbalance in narratives, and that's not good. Then you have new then you have newbies with MSDR on the bio. Mhmm. That's what happened. Right. We we we thought we

29:17Richard Greaser I say we. I don't know if anybody, identifies with this movement, but a lot of us, we thought that we had overcome a huge obstacle when when swans, morning spaces, cafe but when it went down, when they when they ceased to do their morning spaces, we thought, alright. Finally, this really giant,

29:38Richard Greaser potentially, misleading influence is out of the space. And then right behind it followed an even worse influence. MicroStrategy, you know, influencers, MicroStrategy

29:51Richard Greaser space is micro strategy meme coin obsession. So it's it's it's be careful about, you know, the the devil you know is better than the devil you don't. And we're always trying to chase out devils, but we never know what's behind it. And

30:08Richard Greaser some people think that, you know, we're gonna chase off the ordinals crowd, but what would replace it might be tether on lightning. And we don't know the the effects of that. So it's we're caught yeah. We're we're just constantly trying to chase out devils and scammers

30:27Richard Greaser and bad influencers, bad actors, but they are always replaced by a more powerful, even more shameless devil. And it's important that, especially now, like, spaces, these in the daily Bitcoin spaces,

30:43Richard Greaser you know, community or whatever you wanna call it is in disarray. There's hardly any left. Some of them stopped getting USAID funding. There's a lot less feds on there, but it there needs to be a space of signal, and that is why it's very encouraging to hear that you're thinking of making a comeback.

31:07Yellow Yeah. I I in in I kinda I kinda like what I do, you know, around Twitter. I I, when it comes to DSB, like, I was really,

31:26Yellow struggling in the end to finish that thing, and it's over. But, as I type progressed, without doing it, I found myself that I had

31:40Yellow a a fucking great, way to express whatever I was thinking on whatever was happening around Bitcoin. And it was so immediate, and, and it was so mean

31:55Yellow that I kinda missed it. I I didn't know what I had at some point that I actually, for some reason, could do it every day, play the song every day like a fucking Pablo's dog,

32:12Yellow and have people actually sing every day and listen to whatever fucking ramblings I had to say about one thing or the other thing or whatever was happening. And, the best thing that happened was in Salvador that actual people came from Australia and Canada

32:33Yellow and whatever, and they told me, one of the main reasons they came is other than the party in El Salvador, Cesar was to to experience DSB, live. We did not live. Like, it's so funny. It's such a nice Bitcoin,

32:53Yellow Internet, Twitter kind of thing, which is, like it's surreal. It's like it's so like, you cannot you cannot actually pinpoint why, it was what it was. Yeah. And at some aspect, it has to come back because that's good to me too. That's good to me too. Yeah. I think that moment in El Salvador

33:18Rod Palmer will be read and about in the history books. Like when you think of American history, there are moments like the battle of Bunker Bunker Hill where one of the the officers told his men to wait to shoot until they see the whites of his eyes. And the Don't Stop Believing

33:42Rod Palmer live event in El Salvador, the having party was really a shot across the bow to the fiat bakers, to the politicians that wanna restrict people's ability to transact adversarially.

34:00Rod Palmer It was one of those moments that was really special. And I think it's the burden falls onto us to make sure moments like that are included in the history books as Bitcoin podcasters, as the winners, as the ones writing the history. But even though Bitcoin has already won, there's still kind of a battle over determining what goes in the history books.

34:25Rod Palmer And we want to make sure that events like that aren't overshadowed by things like Michael Sailor's, Bitcoin for corporations event. Because I think

34:37Rod Palmer there's going to be a lot of people that are going to attempt to rewrite history in a way that that doesn't really validate the role that memers have played in shaping history. I'm curious,

34:57Rod Palmer what do you think the best strategy is to deter like, do we need to make an alliance with the Jews who write all the history books or do we just need to podcast more? Like, how do we ensure things like that are taught to children in the future?

35:21Yellow Ah, that's a good question. It's a good question. Like, a kind of, like, maybe a denial of service kind of attack on some kind of, like, centralized

35:40Yellow server. I I think the answer But North Nostril and its relay is gonna help out there, I bet Mhmm. Somehow. I I think the answer is that that that Dolce

35:56Yellow should have some kind of connections around that for sure.

36:02Richard Greaser I think the answer is once you're ready, once you are able to be that, really, it's like, people who do a duel in, like, the old Western American movies and they pull their gun out and they they fire their six shooter and they you become that as a meme er when somebody throws, you know, a scenario or a dunk on you, and you can turn it right back around and and and ratio them. I think it I think the answer is we metaphorically, we stand outside

36:32Richard Greaser of, you know, in 2020, right, when this huge onboarding of new Bitcoiners came on during COVID and the Bitcoin podcast explosion, they waited outside, so to speak, you know, like the pop podcast, you know, waiting room or the Breedlove podcast. And all the people that came flooding out of there, sharing the pot the pot memes and the Breedlove memes, and and we just start you started meaning back at them and and and making

36:57Richard Greaser them making them self reflect about how foolish and ridiculous they looked. And I think continuing to stand outside those, institutions of fiat control that are trying to dominate the Bitcoin narrative and standing outside there. And when they walk out confident that they are conquering the world,

37:18Richard Greaser did you just drop a meme on them that ends their whole career?

37:25Yellow Yeah. I was, for some reason, the other day, I was thinking that it will be great if I was doxed because then I could do

37:37Yellow content that I can do now. One of the content I really wanna recreate is, the Carpelli's Where is My Money scene from Mount Gox stays,

37:53Yellow but I wanna do it outside, MicroStrategy headquarters. So I think that will be extremely funny. Like, have a guy, with a sign, sailor, where is my money? With red

38:13Yellow red paint on a whiteboard, and I pretend to be fat sailor with an umbrella and a coffee trying to get inside the office, and the guy won't let me. So, yeah, maybe we need, like, that kind of, like, a big meme

38:31Rod Palmer to I've been told one of the best ways to to infiltrate MicroStrategy is through Grindr profiles, actually. Okay. Yeah. I've I've talked to Laban. I've talked to Laban. He's an expert on that. I I've talked to many Bitcoin podcasters that have had Michael Saylor on, and they've almost universally told me that

38:56Rod Palmer he doesn't respond to Twitter DMs or or emails or or things like that, but he does respond to you when you match with him on Grindr, and that's the best way to get him on your podcast.

39:10Yellow I used to I used to get responses. And lately, like, two years now, the only the best thing I I got was, like, a thumbs up on a comment I did on a DM. But, like, yeah, I I understand because, like, you know, I crushed his party, 100 k party. I crushed it. He threw me out. I don't know if you guys saw that.

39:35Yellow Yeah. Threw me out.

39:37Rod Palmer Yeah. Totally.

39:40Yellow Yeah. I documented everything on on on a series of quotes. Yeah. I, I jumped the fence. I saw what was happening around. I took pictures and made tweets about it. I I left my gum inside one of his, like, that ships he had on the background.

40:03Yellow That that ship, he has the wooden one. My gum is, like, inside a captain's, quarters. Yeah. And in the end, he got me, and he I have a video of him throwing throwing me out.

40:20Yellow I I didn't even got, like, a Red Bull vodka, but I asked. That's what I wanted. And, yeah, he threw me out in the end. And,

40:29Richard Greaser That's crazy because he came on your podcast. You hosted him. You were a gracious host when he came on the meme factory, and he turns around. Once he gets so bad that he doesn't he doesn't need the support of of Bitcoin podcasters anymore, he just tosses you out of the party. It's that's you hate to see that.

40:48Yellow Yeah. Oh, now he's like, oh, you were the guys that created laser eyes? Yeah. That's mine now. I don't need you guys. That's mine. You know? And, it's sad.

41:02Rod Palmer Well, that puts you in the company of some pretty elite Bitcoiners. So I don't know if you do this, but Dennis Porter got thrown out of the last Bitcoin magazine conference. I'm curious. So I'm shocked for two reasons. I I wonder if there's a bit of jealousy here that Sailor was upset that you beat him in the tournament last year. If that was part of the motivation of throwing you out. I'm surprised you weren't invited

41:30Rod Palmer in the first place and that you had to sneak in. What what do you think yeah. Tell us about that interaction. What was what was the exchange? What did it look like? Was there any clarity regulatory clarity offered on his reasoning for tossing you or not inviting you?

41:50Yellow Yeah. I think, you're onto something because as he was throwing me out, he started shouting stuff like, get out of here, you smelly cat, yellow cat. We don't like we're I'm a dog person. Stuff like that. And I was like, what is he on about?

42:11Yellow And I remember in the in the in the tournament we did and I won, the first thing he replied to me is, like, don't over underestimate, the power of a yellow cat. He made me a cat. I wasn't a cat before.

42:28Yellow So now I'm to to everyone on his army, I'm a fucking cat for some reason. You know? I'm a puppet. I'm I'm not a cat. I don't identify as a cat. But now No. All those guys, their reality is that I'm a cat.

42:42Richard Greaser Yeah. I think it's So I think,

42:44Yellow I think it started there in the feud. You might be right.

42:48Richard Greaser I think that's code. I think that, I think sailor just doesn't like pussy. And, so he But I I have to I have to, get out of here pretty soon. So Richard and you are gonna close this one out, But I did have one more question before I go and

43:10Richard Greaser I have not we have not been able to speak with anybody on this podcast who has had a chance to sit down and interview The lovely Lynn Alden for their Bitcoin podcast, And I'm just curious, what was that experience like? And

43:28Richard Greaser what was the glow that you felt afterwards and just being able to to just sit there and podcast with the greatest, hottest macro influencer, in my opinion, that's ever lived. Can you can you recount that? Like, how was that experience for you?

43:48Yellow I was anxious. I had a I had a it was like I was running a fever. I was like, oh my god. I cannot believe, like like, for people like her, in the ancient times here in Greece, we studied words. You know?

44:04Yellow Like, main Mainland Greece. The Greeks visited the Trojans and the beautiful Helen. You know? Like, we studied words about stuff like that. And, it's she was amazing. She was amazing. She is

44:21Yellow hot also. Like, you are lying if you don't think, that if she has your babies, your babies will become masterminds of the universe with that, brilliance of yours. You know?

44:35Yellow Like, you do think about stuff like that. And, yeah. But, also, she was cool. That was also like, she was cool. She she knew her memes. And I also think she knows more that she pretends to know. You know? Like, definitely, she has, like, an out account at the there, like, in the

44:56Yellow with the plebs and all that. Like, she she knows her stuff for sure. Yeah. She was awesome.

45:04Rod Palmer She could be she could be secretly a meme er.

45:10Yellow Okay.

45:12Rod Palmer Well, yeah. I'll I'll finish this out with the yellow. So, on the topic of Greece, before we get into the fountain boost, I'm curious, how prevalent is Greek mythology today? I know I

45:28Rod Palmer know Christian orthodoxy is very popular in, Greece. The Greek Orthodox Church is very predominant. But how how prevalent is kinda Greek mythology, the the pagan roots,

45:42Rod Palmer and, who's your favorite Greek god?

45:47Yellow Oh, same old Greek god. I kinda like Apollo for some reason. Apollo, like, was my thing.

46:04Rod Palmer Yeah. I would say Apollo is mine as well.

46:09Yellow Yeah. There's, like, an elegance to and brilliance to him to his, to his whole thing. And, as it comes from, like it's everywhere, man. Like, even, like, there's a struggle like, there's a saying here that the Greeks were

46:29Yellow one of the first to become Christians, but they always remembered and hated that fact in their psyche, in their archetypes. Like, they they hold on to that kind of, like,

46:45Yellow switching their religion as a thing that they don't really want it to happen. Like and you can see that struggle

46:57Yellow in everyday modern Greek because he can be really, really respectful and Christian like and try to do the good Christian thing and go to church and all that. But if he gets, like, road rage, the first thing we do is we swear your Virgin Mary or your Christ.

47:22Yellow Not many not many language or can or people swear. We have a swear in Greece that actually translated

47:33Yellow to fuck your virgin Mary or fuck your Christ. So and we and we say that, like, fuck nothing. No? Like, it's like a lot of people is like it's like that the first thing that they will do. And and some people say and, argue that it's because, like,

47:56Yellow we did become Christians, but, like, in our fab in in our genes, we're still based on the ancient Greek word, which was what it was. Right? And you cannot argue with that also because, like, it's everywhere. Like, wherever you look,

48:18Yellow you're gonna find a church and an ancient temple. And most of the times, the church the Orthodox church is built on top of the ancient temple. It's built with the marbles. You can actually see that, like,

48:34Yellow in the in the in the foundation, they took the ancient marbles of the ancient Poseidon temple, let's say, and they build the church of, like, what whatever saint it is. Like, so it's like a continuation. It was a struggle.

48:56Yellow I don't know. It's it's everywhere, I would say. It's in Greek. Greece is, like, everywhere here. Like, you can you can find it. Even though many people want to deny that, it's everywhere.

49:11Rod Palmer Yeah. I I found that to be the case in a lot of cultures around the world. So up in certain parts of Europe, Nordic mythology is still very prevalent

49:24Rod Palmer and it's kind of morphed with Christianity, which is generally the predominant religion. I would say the same for South America. You go to Peru, you see a lot of,

49:38Rod Palmer Christian churches built on top of Inca temples and and the two religions have morphed, but there's still an undercurrent of the religion. And and I would agree with you that there's almost a genetic trait or memory that leads people to still, you know, believe in in what they believe in. And this is one of the reasons why it's so important as bit Bitcoiners to propagate children.

50:07Rod Palmer So in the future, not everybody's just an ETF and micro strategy holder. Our our children are gonna have that genetic memory of being awesome memers of of holding spot Bitcoin, of transacting adversarially,

50:23Rod Palmer and I don't think it's ever gonna get beaten.

50:28Yellow Yeah. Yeah. I I hear you. I see the connection. Yeah. For sure.

50:33Rod Palmer Yeah. Well, thanks for explaining that. Before we go into the fountain boost, so this is something we do with our guest every week. I have two questions that I ask every guest before we read our fountain boost. So the first question I have for you is, did you listen to the last episode of behind the podcast?

50:54Yellow The oh, your your episode? Not not yet. Okay. I do I do it in the weekends. Yeah.

51:03Rod Palmer Hell yeah. So the second question I have for you is, are you Jewish?

51:10Yellow No. Okay.

51:12Rod Palmer So it seems like we've got a little bit of, non Jews on the show. So it's it's probably time to get another Jew on the show. I just What what was the last one? The last Jewish guy that he had? Oh, let's look. Let's see. Broken Ruler was not a Jew. Frank Korvo was not a Jew. Barn Miner was not a Jew. So we'd have to go all the way back for to Mike from high hash rate on January 23. Yeah. Yeah. I I think it's an important thing. Like, you know, as somebody as a journalist, as somebody that works in media, there's there's this constant challenge where you need the Jews. Right?

51:57Rod Palmer You need them because they're the best at the media. But at the cert at a certain point, you don't want oversaturation, overrepresentation of Jews. So it's kinda I I wouldn't quite quite I'm I'm against DEI. And one of the reasons why I'm against DEI

52:16Rod Palmer is we've seen it have catastrophic impacts in Hollywood. We've seen since they started trying to take the Jews out of Hollywood, it's just a train wreck. So we know we know we can't get rid of them. We have to learn how to live with them. But yeah. Sorry. Enough about the Jews. I'm a fan of the Jews.

52:39Rod Palmer You

52:40Yellow like them?

52:41Rod Palmer Yeah. I like the Jews. Jews are cool. They're okay. Some some Jews kinda suck. You know what I mean? But but there's a lot of good people on both sides, I would say. Yeah. For sure. Alright. So the last episode we did was, called Fix the World One Bitcoin Podcast at a Time with the broken ruler.

53:06Rod Palmer Our first boost from our good friend, Fundamentals, who is a Jew, actually, he's one of the good Jews, says, Boomer should be a reoccurring guest. He's got a lot more behind the podcast than him. Great hour. So on the show, we discussed, we discussed quite a few things. We discussed the potential of reuniting

53:29Rod Palmer Korea through Bitcoin podcast. So we think the best way for Korea to be reunited is for, both sides to set up a studio at the 38th Parallel

53:44Rod Palmer and just start recording regular BigQuery podcast? Kinda curious on your thoughts of that.

53:50Yellow Yeah. Like, inside that, small, space they had, right, that room that is, like, separating. Right? Yeah. Or do you think or do you think a podcast with a more,

54:07Yellow like, outside vibe, like, nature vibe, like, the part where Trump asked, Kim Yoon if is it okay to step in? You remember that? Is it okay? Yeah. Please. Come in come in. Like, maybe there. That would be a great place.

54:24Rod Palmer I think one of the dangers of doing the podcast outdoors so North Korea has this problem, right, where their population's sore so orange pilled. And at a certain point when you're orange pilled, you wanna go and teach other people about Bitcoin. So they wanna escape into China. They wanna escape it in South Korea. They know South Korea doesn't have as good Bitcoin podcasts. And,

54:50Rod Palmer North Korea and and the Kim dynasty has taken the stance that they want a head start. Right? They've been a first mover on

55:02Rod Palmer having a a nation state strategic reserve. They were the first country in the world to do it.

55:07Yellow Oh, yeah.

55:08Rod Palmer They don't want their population getting out and teaching the rest of the world about Bitcoin before they can get to the point where they amass enough Bitcoin. So I think it'd be distracting to have a podcast outdoors

55:22Rod Palmer where they're shooting, their citizens trying to go orange pill the rest of the world.

55:29Yellow Yeah. I think, I don't know if you know this, but, Kim is doing, the reverse bouquetlia right now. Have you heard about this? You know about this?

55:41Rod Palmer Well, you you understand what you mean? Yeah.

55:44Yellow Yeah. So Kim is doing the reverse where basically the whole country is like is like prisons, Chinese funded prisons. Right? And he makes

55:60Yellow enclosed, camp like, prison like, areas inside the country where, you can, like, have a normal, like, old Bitcoin western kind of life. You know? It's like the it's like a it's like a reverse thing.

56:20Rod Palmer Mhmm.

56:21Yellow I don't know. Like, he's trying to, like, try to market it somehow because it's pretty easy to say, you know, come to my country, like, look at this and that and this and the sea and all that. Bitcoin will go for that. Like, everyone will go for that, but, like, it's another thing to say, like, okay. Don't look outside.

56:46Yellow Don't look here or not. Just go to that facility and have fun inside in a closed space. You know? You sell it. It's like it's like saying come to my country and I enclose you in, like, a kind of, like, Bitcoin water water world. You know? How do you sell that? It's kinda difficult.

57:04Rod Palmer Yep. I I think the rest of the world is just not ready for that juche citadel lifestyle that North Korea offers. So on on the topic of Bekele,

57:18Rod Palmer he you were part of a prolific meme gang. When you threw the hundred k party, were you afraid of potentially getting thrown in prison for your affiliation with meme factory?

57:32Yellow The Harvey Party. Yeah. Yeah. It was one of my, best landing jobs that I did, when I I did DSP live. The one was, Max Geiser and Stacey Herbert was on, and they went off the stage. And I check the mic, and I say,

57:52Yellow Max Geiser, everybody. He did this and that. How great of a guy. Thanks much for opening up for me. That that line a little a few laughs. And, the other one was, I'm I was introducing myself, and I was like, something like, the job was something like,

58:14Yellow I'm part of the meme factory gang, and then, like and and I stopped myself being all, like, anxious because also that there was a minister there, in a job, in a previous talk in the stage. It was like someone from the government and was like, oh, is this is that guy, like did he leave? Did the minister leave? Did he did he hear me? It's a meme gang, sir. It's not the real gang, so no tattoos here. So you know, other than joking out, like, I didn't I didn't find myself in any kind of real

58:51Yellow problem. No. But it was funny to comment it.

58:58Rod Palmer I think the thing you have going for you is it would be a public relations nightmare for the country if one of the most notorious meme gang members

59:11Rod Palmer was in prison. Of visiting the country.

59:16Yellow Yeah.

59:19Rod Palmer Our next boost is from Pies for 1,000 sat or 5,000 sats. Big boost from Pies. By far the greatest interview and the greatest podcast I've ever listened to, LFG, Mushroom, Mushroom, Strong-arm, Strong-arm, Strong-arm, Strong-arm, Hashtag 40 HPW. Well, Pies, that might have been the greatest

59:40Rod Palmer podcast until this one. We'll have to see we'll have to see what the fans say. What are your thoughts, yellow, on this 40 HPW meme?

59:53Yellow I don't see it. It's, is that is that something to see, oh, in general?

1:00:00Rod Palmer Yep.

1:00:01Yellow Oh, okay. It's okay. I don't know. I haven't actually as I said to you guys, I have to get back to memeing. I haven't been actually memeing that a lot lately. Me getting farther all the time. Yeah. We

1:00:24Yellow I need a break.

1:00:27Rod Palmer You need a vacation. You're you're you're kind of on sabbatical right now. So it sounds like you're Yeah. I'm in hiatus. Yeah. Mhmm. You did you did about eight hours or sorry. Eight years straight of forty hours of Bitcoin podcast a week, and now you're, you're giving your ears a little bit of a break. You you you got some cauliflower on your ears. You want some time without your headphones on your head. True. True.

1:00:54Yellow I also I also have to I don't know what's your your guys' deal is like. I know you joke around, like, about the podcast and all that and sponsors and all that, but, like, I feel like you put a lot of work to your stuff,

1:01:13Yellow and that makes me think that you love your stuff, doing your stuff, your content. So that makes me think that you're serious enough for it even even though you're joking around around it. I get it, but, I'm I'm similar to that, and I wanna take my thing to the next level.

1:01:36Yellow I have few ideas with Craig, like, a new series with Craig. It's not a podcast, something completely different. But when I say I'm I'm on a break on hiatus, it's also like, finally, I have some time to figure out some

1:01:55Yellow real, life stuff and get my things together so I can have the ability to make the new content because the new content is gonna need more time. More more of my real time. You know? Like,

1:02:14Yellow I cannot be in both worlds at the same time as I was in the Bitcoin world and and Fiat world. You

1:02:25Rod Palmer know? Yep. You're an artist.

1:02:28Yellow At some point, you gotta choose When when you're an artist,

1:02:34Rod Palmer you you need time to recharge. You can't just mass produce content at a high level. This is what it sounds like.

1:02:44Yellow Yeah. And, also, shout out to the new newbies. Like, even if most of you guys haven't figured it out yet, you might have MSDR

1:03:00Yellow on your bio as we said before, but, like, I'm waiting. I'm still waiting for the new generation to come in, man, to really import new stuff and make city memes and sit post and whatever it is. Like, I I'm waiting for the new guys to to fill in the gaps because I feel like we need it.

1:03:23Rod Palmer We need we need a new generation of meme gangs to come to the surface and and pick up the, the rifles of those who laid theirs down. Yeah. Well, let me blast through the rest of these booths. Run dance Bitcoin 3,000 sat says, this NPR segment is incredible. I never thought I would care so much about baking vegan cookies. Cookie wink wink.

1:03:52Rod Palmer Interesting. I'll have to go back and and listen to the NPR segment. I actually can't remember what it was. Pies again, four twenty sets. LFG hashtag 40 HPW. Pies again, four twenty sats, hashtag HPW 40 HPW.

1:04:09Rod Palmer PeakMonkey looks like there was a double boost on accident. It says you either die a podcaster or live long enough to become a YouTuber. We'll see if that changes here pretty soon. I know Rumble is, is rolling full steam ahead. They're they're ahead of YouTube. They've integrated USDT into their platform.

1:04:33Rod Palmer So maybe it would be better said to either die a podcast or live long enough to become a rumbler. Boomer 100 sat or sorry. This is the business cat 100 sat. Good friend business cat, host of the why am I blanking on the name of it? It's,

1:04:55Rod Palmer rock paper Bitcoin. Boomer, I'm going to buy you a Glock once you live in the sec under the second amendment. Maybe one for Goomba too. Yeah. This is an interesting topic. So Canada

1:05:09Rod Palmer is looking to become America's fifty first state and they're gonna get their gun rights back. So there's kind of a question of whether American Bitcoiners should be saving up to, to give all of our friends up north in the global North firearms.

1:05:31Yellow Sure. Yeah. That's a blast.

1:05:35Rod Palmer So so what's the status of firearms in, in Greece?

1:05:42Yellow You gotta have a permit. You can have, like, a shotgun, type of, like, gun, which is for, hunting.

1:05:57Yellow Like, basically, you can have a gun pretty easily, like, with a hunting, license, and those license are, like, provided pretty easily. But, also, you can have, like, a proper, like, barrette hour clock, with a license again, which

1:06:18Yellow takes a little bit more time. But, if you have, the right connections, you can have that also. Of course, you're not allowed to open

1:06:30Yellow open and open, like, carry, like, the bubble, like that. Like, you have to have it, like, inside the box and all that. But you can have your gun. Other than that, if you're from Crete,

1:06:46Yellow it's, that big island, in the in the South Of Greece, which is pretty autonomous. It's big enough to

1:06:57Yellow be a self sustained island, and, the Cretans are considered like great warriors, always were from ancient times. Those guys there still have,

1:07:15Yellow the ethic the ethic, like, framework of, the vendetta. That's how it's called, vendetta, which means basically an eye for an eye.

1:07:31Yellow A guy might kill another guy in the street if he finds out that that guy is from a family, and two generations back, that

1:07:44Yellow family did something bad to his family. So that burden of, like, retaliation carries on to the next generation called Vendetta. Like, one of the few areas that have that kind of thing is, like, Crete

1:07:59Yellow and South Italy, Sicily. And those guys are followed with guns. Like, those guys, like, you go to like, they're they're everywhere. They're everywhere, and nobody can do anything about it because, if you saw, like, Hodor not, tweets on the summer that he went to create, I told him. As much higher you go up the mountain,

1:08:24Yellow the signs in the road the road signs be become more and more with more bullets in the in the road signs because everyone use it for target practice. Like, as much as you go to the touristy areas, less bullets in the road signs. So be don't don't yeah.

1:08:42Rod Palmer We do that in The United States too,

1:08:45Yellow actually.

1:08:46Rod Palmer Well, there we we use speed limit signs for, target practice. You know, you're driving down the road late at night on the highway. You're drunk. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If if you can drive drunk safely and hit a speed limit sign going a 120 miles an hour down the highway, you're gonna be

1:09:11Rod Palmer pretty proficient when it comes to your self defense, essentially. Like, you know, you're you're fed. A lot of these new cars are putting cameras in it so that your FBI agent can watch you on it. So they they've got the audio. They've got the video. Essentially, a live stream into an NSA data center

1:09:34Rod Palmer of you driving drunk and and shooting targets, they're not gonna be sending the ATF to your house to kill your dog. You know what I mean?

1:09:42Yellow Yeah. Yeah. The the last time the police sent any kind of, like, manpower to one of those villages up in the mountains of Crete was, like, ten years ago when, there was a battle and they retreated. So those, those villages up there, there are, like,

1:10:03Yellow basically autonomous. Like, not a lot of people. Only the mailman goes from the government side, but let's put it like that way.

1:10:12Rod Palmer Yep. I know there's a lot of areas around the world that that we call it blood feuds. So there's a very famous one in Texas, the the Hatfields and McCoys, and then I know Albania has some pretty epic blood feuds as well.

1:10:28Yellow Albanians have also Sicilian Sicilians and, yeah, Cretans. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like it comes from, like, ancient ancient Dutch, but kind of, like, ethic framework. You know? Yeah.

1:10:42Rod Palmer I mean, most of Americans, they've they've kind of been domesticated. So one way this has happened is through social media. So on Facebook, Facebook years ago, they introduced something called the poke. And the poke was kind of

1:10:59Rod Palmer it's kinda like a blood feud, essentially, where you don't wanna be the least Yeah. Yeah.

1:11:07Yellow What do you got? What do you have to poke back all the time? Yeah.

1:11:11Rod Palmer Yeah. Or another another example of this is Snapchat streaks where if you if you don't keep the streak going, then you essentially lose the blood feud. So these tools are used to domesticate us.

1:11:30Rod Palmer Whereas, you know, if you're if you're a good portion of your life is built around trying to kill a member of another family in an act of revenge, you know, you're always gonna be prepared. You're gonna be uncomfortable. You're gonna be ready to roll. You're gonna be stacking non KYC guns and ammunition. You're gonna be there's more of a need to transact adversarially,

1:11:53Rod Palmer 100%.

1:11:56Yellow But What what would be the equivalent for for our thing? Like, spamming, one shot on your node or something?

1:12:08Rod Palmer Well, on on Oster, there's the, this new trend called 40 good mornings. So if you post good morning, somebody replies and said good morning, you have to go over to their profile and and post good morning on theirs or continue it on somewhere else.

1:12:26Yellow So in the end so in the end of the day, there is, like, a whole fucking miracle tree of, like,

1:12:32Rod Palmer combinations of components. Yeah. I see. There there's probably hundreds of thousands of good mornings every day on. It's incredible.

1:12:42Yellow It's 60% of the volume.

1:12:44Rod Palmer Yeah. Well, the last two boosts I have for the show, BTC on board, 200 stats, fire, fire, fire, lightning. Thank you. PTC on board. And then anonymous for a 100 stats says, I'm currently in labor, and even I have to go get my podcast hours in.

1:13:03Yellow Well Oh, yeah.

1:13:06Rod Palmer Congratulations. Keep on having kids. I mean, I can't think of, like, anything more special for your child bringing them into this world that you listening to a Bitcoin podcast and them getting to experience that as they're in their first moments alive

1:13:27Rod Palmer outside of the womb.

1:13:30Yellow Hell yeah. You you, you make, fucking charge like, Becca's Luca. That kind of child. Winners.

1:13:46Rod Palmer 100. Well, Yellow, before we stop recording, you got any, closing thoughts, anything you wanna share with our audience? Sounds like you got some big things on the horizon that you you sort of made an announcement of an announcement, it seems like, on the show.

1:14:05Yellow Breaking news. Yeah. What could I say? I don't know, man. I don't have a I don't have I don't wanna say anything, to be honest, because, like, kinda enjoying lately also,

1:14:33Yellow my, new attitude I have, which is, fence sitting.

1:14:39Rod Palmer Mhmm.

1:14:40Yellow I'm embracing sitting in the fence like a cat. But Cello told me I am. So, for now, I'm on my fence checking both sides of every drama, of every seat post, of every kind of, like, conflict out there in my timeline,

1:14:59Yellow and I just laugh about it. As you said, it might be it might be my way of, like, recharging and actually accumulating and then having something ready to to say to the people. Because for now,

1:15:19Yellow I'm in the phase of, like, okay. Let's just, like, lurk around and chill a little bit. To all the players out there, you know what I say in every fucking DSB? It still stands. Stack shots. Hold with your keys. It's not that complicated.

1:15:38Yellow That's it.

1:15:40Rod Palmer Well, thank you very much, Yellow, for coming on the show. This is Richard Grieser signing off.