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Bubbles of nonsense you can't unstop. We text these holes till we all just drop. A Christmas made from</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-67">1:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-67" data-t="67">ways. Tintzel on truth, but the shine decay. Grandma says, honey, enjoy the night, but I'm doom scrolling by LED lights. It's just nuts roasted in corporate rights. A festive fight for the cheapest flights.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-80" data-t="80">Oh, what</span> <span class="cue" id="t-109" data-t="109">plastic string. If Christmas is a mood, I'm buffering. But the slob still hits like everything.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-115">1:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-115" data-t="115">Check the beat, repeat, repeat.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-117" data-t="117">Holiday eyes from a peppermint sweet. We chase that cheer like a limited seat even our lying</span> <span class="cue" id="t-124" data-t="124">sounds.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-168">2:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-168" data-t="168">Welcome back to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-170" data-t="170">another episode of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-172" data-t="172">behind the podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-174" data-t="174">Today, it is just me,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-176" data-t="176">Rod Palmer, and I am speaking to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-179" data-t="179">Rob</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-180">2:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-180" data-t="180">from Bitcoin News.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-183" data-t="183">And, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-184" data-t="184">if if you haven't listened to behind the podcast before,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-187" data-t="187">it's kind of a reference, and I'm sure you will understand this one, Rob. It's like inside baseball.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-193" data-t="193">It's a it's a just it's a it's a podcast about podcasters with podcasters, talking to other podcasters,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-200" data-t="200">in getting into the details inside the podcast industry.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-204">3:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-204" data-t="204">So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-205" data-t="205">welcome to have you on. You're a a fellow potential journalist and podcaster. It's great to have you here.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-212">3:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-212" data-t="212">Thank you very much for having me. It's a pleasure and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-215" data-t="215">ready to divulge some secrets</span> <span class="cue" id="t-218" data-t="218">inside baseball,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-219" data-t="219">the industry nitty gritty.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-222">3:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-222" data-t="222">Hell, yeah. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-224" data-t="224">right now well, actually, I a little backstory.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-229" data-t="229">I don't know. Bitcoinnews.com</span> <span class="cue" id="t-231" data-t="231">has been around for a few years, and it's definitely risen a lot in the past maybe two or three. But in the early days,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-238" data-t="238">there was a conspiracy by,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-240" data-t="240">Dick Whitman, ghost of Dick Whitman,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-243">4:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-243" data-t="243">who many people have seen on the timeline.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-245" data-t="245">And he he thought that you were the the the Krasenstein brothers.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-250" data-t="250">So, so just to clear things up, are you are you the third Krasenstein brother, or is that just a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-258" data-t="258">totally off base conspiracy?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-260">4:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-260" data-t="260">I'd be a lot cooler if I was. I mean, who in, like, has the ability to turn a, Justin Feigert Justin Bieber fan club page into a political career of being Trump's number one troll during his first administration. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-275" data-t="275">No. We have absolutely nothing to do with the Krasenstein's, but that was hilarious. I mean, Dick Whitman, he's a he's a frequent commenter on our stuff.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-282" data-t="282">Usually,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-283" data-t="283">something like, hey. This guy talks about crypto. Don't fucking bring him up at all, please, because this is Bitcoin only.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-290" data-t="290">And but he's I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-292" data-t="292">Bitcoin has its immune system, and I feel like Dick Whitman is a is a part of that. You know? He's part of the predator,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-299">4:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-299" data-t="299">milieu, and they they have a role to play. And I I I'm thankful for it because Bitcoin wouldn't be the same without him. But, no, we are not affiliated with the Krasenstein's whatsoever. No.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-309">5:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-309" data-t="309">It's interesting though because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-311" data-t="311">in between,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-314" data-t="314">the Justin Bieber fan pages</span> <span class="cue" id="t-317" data-t="317">and, you know, whatever it is that they are now,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-322" data-t="322">they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-324" data-t="324">they were Bitcoiners.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-325">5:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-325" data-t="325">And they famously,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-327" data-t="327">you know, were</span> <span class="cue" id="t-329" data-t="329">running into problems</span> <span class="cue" id="t-330" data-t="330">with the feds,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-332" data-t="332">with the law,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-333" data-t="333">and their dealings with Bitcoin. And I it makes me wonder,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-338">5:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-338" data-t="338">do you think they're like the Bitcoin or, like, predator who goes to Dick Whitman that you just mentioned?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-343" data-t="343">If it came down to what they would put, free to Krasenstein's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-347" data-t="347">in the profile, if they needed a pardon for president Trump, I don't think you'd give it to him, though.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-353">5:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-353" data-t="353">Free Krasenstein's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-354" data-t="354">day two. That's that's the new slogan right there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-358" data-t="358">Yeah. I think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-360" data-t="360">if if they were</span> <span class="cue" id="t-362" data-t="362">breaking the law in the right way and they were Bitcoiners, then they'd definitely be supported by, by the Dick Whipments for sure.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-372">6:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-372" data-t="372">So you I mean, you report the news. Right? And Yes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-376" data-t="376">You're at the intersection</span> <span class="cue" id="t-378" data-t="378">of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-379" data-t="379">this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-380" data-t="380">wave of media we've got right now. I call it plex slop,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-385" data-t="385">invasion and farming,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-388">6:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-388" data-t="388">announcements.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-390" data-t="390">Everybody's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-391" data-t="391">begging for a Dennis Porter announcement. We haven't had one in months.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-395" data-t="395">How do you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-397" data-t="397">figure out</span> <span class="cue" id="t-400" data-t="400">what is</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-401">6:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-401" data-t="401">newsworthy and what is Plebslot?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-403" data-t="403">How do you do that?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-406">6:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-406" data-t="406">Great question. And it's something that I have to face every single day,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-410" data-t="410">because there definitely is I mean, when you see someone</span> <span class="cue" id="t-413" data-t="413">who's as</span> <span class="cue" id="t-415" data-t="415">credentialed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-416" data-t="416">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-418" data-t="418">as respected as a Bitcoin historian like Pete Rizzo, go down the path that he has the last year, I mean, there definitely is something to it. There's an allure there. Right? There's a calling from the plug slop abyss that says, hey. You're gonna get the the clicks, the Twitter bucks, the engagement that your dopamine deprived brain so desperately needs</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-441">7:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-441" data-t="441">if you go all caps, if you say buckle up, if you put a rocket emoji.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-449" data-t="449">And if you do those things, I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-452" data-t="452">again, I'm</span> <span class="cue" id="t-454" data-t="454">at first, it was sort of annoying to me when we saw that real big change. I think it was this year. Right? I mean, I think it was early twenty twenty five that we saw this sea change in how sort of the Bitcoin news world was reported.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-464" data-t="464">And, I mean, power to them, it worked for them. There's a whole class of of of Twitter users that really,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-471" data-t="471">leaned into it hard and were able to get the impressions that they wanted and needed.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-478">7:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-478" data-t="478">I I'm pretty proud of the fact that we did not lean into the all caps.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-482" data-t="482">Right? I mean, we use some caps. Yeah. Of course. But going all caps, if you're not Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. To use yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-490" data-t="490">Then then, I mean, what what are we doing here?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-494" data-t="494">I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-495" data-t="495">am I a credentialed journalist? No. I mean, I I studied international relations. Right? I mean, I've always found history in the news and geopolitics very interesting, and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-504" data-t="504">Bitcoin, of course, fits all right into that. But</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-507">8:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-507" data-t="507">there when you when you do start getting a certain amount of impressions, there is a sort of a there's a duty that you have to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-515" data-t="515">I think it I guess the best way to put it is, do you respect your audience or not?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-519" data-t="519">And I think I try to make an effort to to respect my audience.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-524" data-t="524">So, I mean, I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-525" data-t="525">I do like to add in some humor. Like, I do think some of the things and it's a process. Right? You figure out how to post online and what works and what doesn't. And I think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-534" data-t="534">some of the things,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-536">8:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-536" data-t="536">work better than others. The the PURESLOP,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-539" data-t="539">all caps, works well better than trying to do some sort of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-543" data-t="543">edgy or nuanced joke. Nuance doesn't work. Right? Nuance doesn't work at all. But, I I think you gotta if you're gonna do this every single day, you gotta make sure that you're doing it because you enjoy it. It's fun, and, you're actually providing value.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-556">9:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-556" data-t="556">Exactly. Yeah. I mean, it's I think it's it's good to have a decentralized,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-561" data-t="561">diverse,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-563" data-t="563">choice of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-564" data-t="564">content and use to consume. I mean, if you want pure Plebs lock, you've got Rizzo, you've got Bitcoin magazine.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-571" data-t="571">If you want</span> <span class="cue" id="t-573" data-t="573">satire, there's those are available. But you people just want news. And you know what?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-581">9:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-581" data-t="581">I would say it's like between you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-583" data-t="583">you're kinda like the New York I mean, you you're the new you're Bitcoin news. You're the New York,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-591" data-t="591">paper or podcast of record. There we go. The podcast of record for news. And I would say Simply Bitcoin is, you know, the Miami,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-601" data-t="601">you know, podcast of record. Like, I don't know. Do do we need do we have an LA, a Los Angeles? Who's the wet West Coast podcast of record? And is there</span> <span class="cue" id="t-610" data-t="610">can you maybe we could fill out all the regions, honestly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-614" data-t="614">Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-615">10:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-615" data-t="615">I mean, Philadelphia, that's gotta be that's gotta be random little recap.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-619" data-t="619">Right? King of the king of Philly.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-622">10:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-622" data-t="622">Yes. That that that works there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-625" data-t="625">In turn I mean, I think I think McCormick is pretty Hollywood. I mean, he might be Bedford, but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-631" data-t="631">him and then, of course, his predecessor, Danny Knowles. Daniel is very fashionable.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-635" data-t="635">He wears high end T shirts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-638" data-t="638">And</span> <span class="cue" data-t="638">he</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-639">10:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-639" data-t="639">I think he I think he's pretty look conscious. But, I mean, that's the brand. Right? It's the black, the white, the pink, the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-647" data-t="647">Nuvo marketing. They know what they're doing. Everything is very, polished.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-652">10:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-652" data-t="652">And I think that I would say that's the the LA</span> <span class="cue" id="t-655" data-t="655">right there.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-657">10:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-657" data-t="657">Wow. I like that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-660" data-t="660">Is there</span> <span class="cue" id="t-662" data-t="662">is there competition</span> <span class="cue" id="t-664" data-t="664">or how would you describe the competitive nature</span> <span class="cue" id="t-668" data-t="668">of being a journalist in Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-670" data-t="670">in terms of, you know, other markets,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-673">11:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-673" data-t="673">other cities, like, we just talked about.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-676" data-t="676">Other, you know, niches or, you know, you've got, like, your your the rage. Right? And they're, like, covering KYC</span> <span class="cue" id="t-684" data-t="684">and privacy stuff. Like, that's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-686" data-t="686">super paranoid tech brag. You know? Not and I don't I don't say that in a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-693" data-t="693">negative way. But you guys were saying it. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-696" data-t="696">How would you describe it from your perspective doing, you know,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-700">11:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-700" data-t="700">the news? Just straight up the news.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-704">11:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-704" data-t="704">Yeah. It's, it's it's a competition, but, I mean, we're all on the same team. Right? And I think that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-710" data-t="710">you've got to respect people for what they do because at the end of the day, we're all we're all playing the same game. We're all trying to fight the same fight. And at the end of the day, we are,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-719" data-t="719">doing it, I think, most of us, for the right reasons. Right? We want more people to know about Bitcoin. We want more people to be able to protect themselves and their purchasing power and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-728" data-t="728">hopefully,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-729" data-t="729">believe in a future that is brighter than what we're living in today. I think that's the real goal of us Bitcoiner evangelists.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-737" data-t="737">But there is competition, of course. I mean, we all are pretty much fighting for the same</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-741">12:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-741" data-t="741">limited number of eyeballs of people that are actually generally interested in this stuff. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-747" data-t="747">especially I mean, the hard part is is trying to make a business out of this. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-750" data-t="750">Sponsorships. Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-752" data-t="752">companies</span> <span class="cue" id="t-753" data-t="753">are notoriously</span> <span class="cue" id="t-755" data-t="755">frugal.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-756">12:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-756" data-t="756">They don't like to throw the money around. And, of course, they can't print a coin out of thin air like these altcoins can, so they can't give you that either.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-763" data-t="763">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-764" data-t="764">you and Bitcoiners will also call you out the second that you promote anything that is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-770" data-t="770">slightly,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-771" data-t="771">out of bounds in terms of the Bitcoin ethos. So, I mean, it makes it it makes it difficult to to run a business, especially a sponsorship based one, an ad based one. And so you gotta find ways outside of the box to try to make it work, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-785" data-t="785">consulting, helping businesses with their marketing, all that kind of stuff. So when it comes to making money straight off of content, it takes it takes years. Right? It, you gotta build an audience, and you gotta have people,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-798">13:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-798" data-t="798">believe in you and trust you, and then you can actually get some companies to start opening their pocketbooks. But and and I think that's sort of where competition might come from.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-810" data-t="810">But, at the end of the day,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-812" data-t="812">I the only people that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-814" data-t="814">annoy me are the ones who I think are doing it the wrong way. And I would say</span> <span class="cue" id="t-819" data-t="819">it's, I would say 80% of of Bitcoin media is doing it the right way. So I'm not too much of a a curmudgeon about all this.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-828">13:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-828" data-t="828">You know, do you guys</span> <span class="cue" id="t-830" data-t="830">do you guys wish Sailor would say stop? Do you ever sell your Bitcoin? Because you're right. Like, the Bitcoin industry, the companies around here, they are frugal. They are very,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-841" data-t="841">hyped with their pocketbook.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-844" data-t="844">And it's, you know, I it's it seems like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-847" data-t="847">a culture problem. And who sets the culture? It's Saylor.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-851" data-t="851">And he we need him to</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-853">14:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-853" data-t="853">we need him to let the podcast you to butt the pod comp</span> <span class="cue" id="t-858" data-t="858">understand it's okay to sell your Bitcoin to other Bitcoiners.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-863" data-t="863">Exactly.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-864">14:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-864" data-t="864">Yeah, dude. I mean, I want a piece of digital Manhattan,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-868" data-t="868">each time I open up Riverside. Right? That's that's my right as a Bitcoin podcaster.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-873" data-t="873">I need a slice of your digital capital, sir.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-876" data-t="876">I don't want you to refine it. I don't want you to be the ExxonMobil turning that digital capital into,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-882" data-t="882">digital cash. I want I want the capital soft. Right? Like, peel me off a piece. Send it to me. I'll be I'll be a happy Bitcoin boy.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-892">14:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-892" data-t="892">Hell, yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-894" data-t="894">Did</span> <span class="cue" id="t-897" data-t="897">the Bitcoin news</span> <span class="cue" id="t-899" data-t="899">participate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-900" data-t="900">in paper Bitcoin summer or the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-903" data-t="903">the the paper Bitcoin, you know,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-906">15:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-906" data-t="906">freeze, so to speak, I guess? Was what was that like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-910" data-t="910">covering, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-912" data-t="912">the, probably</span> <span class="cue" id="t-915" data-t="915">the coolest</span> <span class="cue" id="t-916" data-t="916">summer in in Bitcoin history.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-919">15:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-919" data-t="919">Pretty much the coolest thing to ever happen to us.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-922" data-t="922">No. I mean, it was very interesting to see in terms of media, the amount of people that were sort of able to create a meteoric rise for themselves, literally go from,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-932" data-t="932">doing Twitter posts to podcast appearances, creating a podcast to being part of the management team of a publicly traded company.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-940" data-t="940">There was a a fast track for that this last year, and I think that is, like, the definition of people who really, I guess, quote, unquote, won paper Bitcoin summer. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-950" data-t="950">I think from from my standpoint,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-953" data-t="953">it it sells clicks. Right? People really were into it, all these companies, because it's so funny being in the middle of a media. Right? I mean, like, $20.21</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-963">16:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-963" data-t="963">Bitcoin itself,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-966" data-t="966">Elon buying, like, the whole world's gonna be taken over.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-970" data-t="970">Then we smarter web company, Meta Planet. You know? There's a Spanish</span> <span class="cue" id="t-976" data-t="976">coffee shop buying Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-978" data-t="978">So I mean, it and in the moment, it feels like it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-982" data-t="982">that there's a paradigm change. Right? That there's a phase shift, that things are forever going to be different rather than this is just this is a brief blip of time that is completely ephemeral, and things are going to revert very quickly, very harshly, and a lot of people are gonna have egg on their face. So, I mean, you report on it, of course, but I don't think that we were ever</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1004">16:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1004" data-t="1004">treasury</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1005" data-t="1005">fanboys.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1006" data-t="1006">Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1007" data-t="1007">But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1009" data-t="1009">we've done some podcasts with, with treasury company people and whatnot. And I I mean, they're part of the the scene. They're part of the industry, so you gotta talk to them.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1017" data-t="1017">But,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1018">16:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1018" data-t="1018">never go full treasury company.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1020">17:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1020" data-t="1020">Never go I mean No. That's for sure. I all these these. Some</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1024">17:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1024" data-t="1024">of those</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1026" data-t="1026">Well, I'm 100%</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1027" data-t="1027">NSDR</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1028" data-t="1028">0% Bitcoin because I wanna ride the fastest horse. It's like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1032" data-t="1032">come on, bro.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1033">17:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1033" data-t="1033">Oh, yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1035" data-t="1035">No. I'll be the first to tell you. The Paper Bitcoin summer parties are the best parties.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1040" data-t="1040">All the hot chicks, it's it but you do have to deal</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1044" data-t="1044">with the Paper Bitcoiners, unfortunately, when you're at the Paper Bitcoiners parties.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1050" data-t="1050">You know, though,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1051" data-t="1051">you</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1052">17:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1052" data-t="1052">thought I mentioned it. We talked about out here all</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1056" data-t="1056">2025</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1057" data-t="1057">and then, you know, going</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1059" data-t="1059">back to 2024,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1061" data-t="1061">the importance of listening to podcasts, starting the podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1065" data-t="1065">and just the podcast in general. And it boy, you know,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1070">17:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1070" data-t="1070">that thesis was proven correct.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1072" data-t="1072">Nobody has risen. Yeah. 2,025</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1074" data-t="1074">was the year of the podcaster.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1076" data-t="1076">For the better and worse, it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1080" data-t="1080">end of two thousand twenty five now,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1083" data-t="1083">we're we're seeing the</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1084">18:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1084" data-t="1084">the consequences</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1086" data-t="1086">of giving podcasters</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1087" data-t="1087">too much power and control in society.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1090" data-t="1090">Control of the FBI,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1092" data-t="1092">control the media.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1095" data-t="1095">There's very little</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1096">18:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1096" data-t="1096">that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1097" data-t="1097">isn't influenced directly or indirectly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1100" data-t="1100">by podcasters and listening to podcasts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1103" data-t="1103">What do you think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1105" data-t="1105">like, how would you grade podcasters this year? And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1109" data-t="1109">you know, do is it is it about having the right podcasters in the positions and just not having the one, you know,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1116">18:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1116" data-t="1116">who, you know, bad pod plex lot podcasters</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1120" data-t="1120">in important positions or or do podcasters need to be more humble?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1125">18:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1125" data-t="1125">I mean, what's funny is that a lot of people who are, quote, unquote, the powerful and elite want to be podcasters. Right? Because they're it's it's a hack. The fact that you can actually become a habit into somebody's weekly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1139" data-t="1139">rituals,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1140" data-t="1140">and get an hour of their brain time directly speaking into their eardrums. I mean, that's power. Right? That's power that's never been had before. Kings of the past would die for that power to speak directly to their thousands of, citizens</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1154" data-t="1154">or subjects,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1155" data-t="1155">for an hour a week. And it's it's so bad that, I mean, Chamath Chamath not only became a,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1161" data-t="1161">a podcaster, but also a newsletter writer. Right? I mean, because he just it was too he he loves the power so much, that this job entails.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1169">19:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1169" data-t="1169">And I think another really telling sign is that the number two in the FBI, Don Bongino,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1175" data-t="1175">he said today that he's stepping down to return to the microphone. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1180" data-t="1180">And it's, it was really funny to see the comments underneath his poster</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1185" data-t="1185">announcing his resignation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1186" data-t="1186">saying one saying, we need you there. The next one saying, we need you on the microphone. Right? So if you're really in this once you've reached a certain level of power in society, you really are torn between</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1197" data-t="1197">a frontward facing position in society and being behind the microphone. It's, there's two wolves. Right?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1204">20:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1204" data-t="1204">Yeah. And, honestly,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1207" data-t="1207">something that maybe not enough people think about is the massive l</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1212" data-t="1212">that the podcast fans of fallen podcasters</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1216" data-t="1216">feel</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1217" data-t="1217">in a moment like this? I mean, Dan Bogino</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1220" data-t="1220">talked</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1221">20:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1221" data-t="1221">he talked very tough</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1223" data-t="1223">about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1224" data-t="1224">would be he was going into this job. Right? And he got there,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1228" data-t="1228">and he looked like he was like a month in, and they they had DanBot Gino on a podcast. And he looked like he had seen a ghost.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1235" data-t="1235">And he was like, I I I he was kinda like, he didn't know how to answer.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1240" data-t="1240">And he was like,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1243">20:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1243" data-t="1243">I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1244" data-t="1244">wasn't ready for this apparently. That's what it seemed like. And now he's stepping down. He wants to be with his family.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1249" data-t="1249">Do</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1250" data-t="1250">I think we as podcasters</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1252" data-t="1252">do need to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1254" data-t="1254">by his head, be a little bit more humble because</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1258">20:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1258" data-t="1258">there's just more examples of it. Justin Betchler</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1261" data-t="1261">went on the what is money podcast with, Robert Breedlove.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1265" data-t="1265">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1267" data-t="1267">Robert Breedlove asked him one question, which is the, you know, the question he asked on every episode was my and and Justin Bachelor didn't have any answer for him. He spent the rest of the hour trying to figure out how to talk around it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1279" data-t="1279">We need to have answers. So be do you think before you start a podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1284" data-t="1284">that you need to have some answers</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1286">21:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1286" data-t="1286">to help to help people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1289" data-t="1289">point them in the right direction, give them good information? Or</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1293" data-t="1293">it's like, do you go like the what Bitcoin did Peter McCormack,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1297" data-t="1297">and you have to ask all your guests for the answers?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1301">21:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1301" data-t="1301">I think I think there are two roads. I but, you can either have the answers or you can have the risk. If you've got the risk, if you got the way to carry a conversation,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1312" data-t="1312">be aw shucks,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1313" data-t="1313">poor little dumb me, please tell me the answer,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1316" data-t="1316">but still make the other person laugh and have a good time and have the listeners be a part of that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1322" data-t="1322">enjoyment for that hour, then I think you you can that is a viable option. You don't need to have the answers, but you need to be able to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1329" data-t="1329">ask the right questions.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1331">22:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1331" data-t="1331">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1332" data-t="1332">yeah, have the risk, man. You gotta have the risk.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1338">22:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1338" data-t="1338">Do you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1340" data-t="1340">do you have, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1342" data-t="1342">any problems with the Plebs? Do do do Plebs ever,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1346" data-t="1346">you know, try to pile in on your mentions,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1349" data-t="1349">call you a scammer? Do you ever had run ins with them? I don't know if you ever seen Trailer Park Boys, but I kind of think of the Plebs like the bottle kits. They you just never know when they're gonna come around and just pelt you with empty,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1360" data-t="1360">beer mail</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1362">22:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1362" data-t="1362">beer and wine bottles. But do you ever have a run-in with them in your career so far?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1368">22:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1368" data-t="1368">Yeah. I mean, Dick Whitman, I think he could classify as a bottle kid,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1373" data-t="1373">but he he serves his purpose and he's done well. And, like, nothing personal. Right? He's never called me a scammer,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1380" data-t="1380">but he's definitely says that we we platform. If we if we say a quote from Scaramucci, then we're, quote, unquote, platforming Shitcoiner. So we, we we can't be doing that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1389" data-t="1389">One time, Plettador</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1391" data-t="1391">did get mad at us for,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1395" data-t="1395">I mean, I I post most of the things on Bitcoin news, but I got one other guy,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1400">23:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1400" data-t="1400">who works with me. And he posted,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1404" data-t="1404">a Arkham</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1406" data-t="1406">screenshot saying that maybe</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1408" data-t="1408">Hal Finney's wife had moved some coins. Right? And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1412" data-t="1412">Pledder quote tweeted that, called us a bunch of grifters and pieces of shit for, reporting that news.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1418">23:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1418" data-t="1418">Oh, the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1419" data-t="1419">I I didn't even have to ask if you've had run ins of Pledger.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1424" data-t="1424">Everybody's had runs run ins with Pledger</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1428" data-t="1428">is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1429" data-t="1429">especially</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1430" data-t="1430">journalist.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1431">23:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1431" data-t="1431">Pledger is especially,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1434" data-t="1434">a sniper to terms.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1436" data-t="1436">And you had any other run ins with him?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1438" data-t="1438">Has he been a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1441" data-t="1441">a consistent</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1442" data-t="1442">adversary?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1444">24:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1444" data-t="1444">Not even. Actually, he sort of steers clear of us</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1448" data-t="1448">in a lot of ways. I think one time he actually did give us a compliment back early on. I think this was, like, 2023. He said that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1457" data-t="1457">these guys are where's their engagement from and whatever, but they they sort of do it the right way, something to that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1463" data-t="1463">extent. So, I mean, I I respect that. I I I took that. I actually I kinda felt good when he said that, you know. That was a that was a nice thing that Clutter said about us.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1472" data-t="1472">But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1473" data-t="1473">yeah. I,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1475">24:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1475" data-t="1475">oh, and then one time, he wanted to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1479" data-t="1479">he was look looking for people who could do, like, follow some coin. I think he was trying to track if, like, Trump had sold that, cashless coin, right, that, Bailey had gave him on stage.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1489" data-t="1489">And I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1490" data-t="1490">offered to introduce him to some people who might be able to help him. He's like, no. I I no. I don't care. But, yeah, that's, I think, like, the extent of the</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1500">24:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1500" data-t="1500">That's the I wanna do 101.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1502" data-t="1502">That's interesting. I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1505" data-t="1505">the compliment is funny.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1508" data-t="1508">The</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1510" data-t="1510">idea of, like, the altruistic engagement farmer</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1514" data-t="1514">and or or something like that where it's</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1520">25:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1520" data-t="1520">a it's just a lack of self awareness of pleader. He's just, you know, he's their engagement farming like everybody else.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1526" data-t="1526">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1528" data-t="1528">it's sometimes it seems like they're like you these type of guys are the only ones who don't get they don't get it. They don't realize</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1535" data-t="1535">that their engagement for me tier, like, it's if you're on a marketing platform, like, if we if you think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1541" data-t="1541">about how</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1542" data-t="1542">monetized everything has become and if you really think about Plov's Lab, but like how do you describe it? It is just those</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1550">25:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1550" data-t="1550">breaking</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1551" data-t="1551">with the, the the siren and then like say some just a headline is very very</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1557" data-t="1557">obviously pointed headline where it's like, this post is about making money.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1562" data-t="1562">And this platform is about making money and, like, all these ads in the the battles of, between the advertisers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1568" data-t="1568">and Twitter.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1569" data-t="1569">And, hey, just your very presence at this point, and not just presence, but</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1575">26:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1575" data-t="1575">if there's any obvious heifer being put into</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1579" data-t="1579">your communication and your timeline and in the information in the content you're putting out there, Your engagement for me, like, that's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1585" data-t="1585">that's what it is.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1587" data-t="1587">And he's got more followers. He's got, you know, how many people in the role have thirty, fifty thousand followers.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1595" data-t="1595">And it's that's why he's such a he's such a special character to me. He's just totally unself aware, but he's so good at it nonetheless.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1604">26:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1604" data-t="1604">No. I I mean, I respect it. You know? I I do. And what's really funny is how when you're online</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1612" data-t="1612">for six, seven, eight hours a day, I mean, these these people do sort of occupy some mental space because you see them all the time, and you see their thoughts, and you see their stances. And so, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1622" data-t="1622">when you see that predator profile picture of, like, that anime guy, I mean, you, like, in your mind, I at first, I thought, what what if he's, like, some</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1632" data-t="1632">six foot four</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1634" data-t="1634">Indiana</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1635" data-t="1635">corn fed Chad who's, like, just holding down the law and has, like, really pure morals. He doesn't he doesn't he doesn't tweet like a Chad. I'll tell you that.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1644">27:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1644" data-t="1644">And then and then I saw your guys,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1647" data-t="1647">like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1648" data-t="1648">AI rendition of him sitting amongst his, like, Pokemon toys,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1652" data-t="1652">as a overweight basement dweller. And that really just completely threw me for a loop. I was like, oh my god. I've had this guy all wrong in my head maybe.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1660" data-t="1660">And so you just don't know. Wow. You just don't know.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1664">27:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1664" data-t="1664">If you if you wanna be thrown for another just as crazy wild loop,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1669" data-t="1669">I got a,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1671" data-t="1671">a message on Telegram the other day from</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1674" data-t="1674">two different people in two different channels. One was from,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1678" data-t="1678">from Labka, and one was from Shinobi.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1682" data-t="1682">And they were both,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1684">28:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1684" data-t="1684">up close by Pledder where he was he was talking about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1689" data-t="1689">basically going and copping some new,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1691" data-t="1691">you know, fresh sneakers.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1693" data-t="1693">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1694" data-t="1694">just the way it read and it was like, oh, no. We've got Pledger all wrong. Pledger is, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1700" data-t="1700">one of those weeb the black weeb's, like, the black days, you were super nerdy and into anime and, like, Bitcoin and shit. And it's like,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1708">28:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1708" data-t="1708">oh my god. It it could I could see that, and it just blows my mind.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1714" data-t="1714">Wow.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1717">28:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1717" data-t="1717">A a black Midwest dude who's a nerd in high school.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1721" data-t="1721">Wow.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1723" data-t="1723">That does check some boxes. That could work there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1727" data-t="1727">And then just the anime picture is his profile just to really throw you off the scent, but that makes sense. You know what? Thinking</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1735">28:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1735" data-t="1735">about Pleasure listening</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1738" data-t="1738">forty hours of Kid Cudi over and over fifteen years ago.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1742" data-t="1742">Like, damn, it it starts to make a little bit more sense. You know?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1746">29:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1746" data-t="1746">Dude, imagine</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1748" data-t="1748">Pleasure, Lowcut, and Shinobi</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1750" data-t="1750">locked in a room for, for forty eight hours. I wonder what would be the the outcome of that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1755" data-t="1755">situation.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1758">29:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1758" data-t="1758">Oh my god.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1762" data-t="1762">The it's like the unmovable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1766" data-t="1766">force or, like, the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1768" data-t="1768">unstoppable force versus the immovable object. It's like the unstoppable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1772" data-t="1772">ray of sunshine versus the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1775" data-t="1775">you know, all massive black hole, and then you just have, like,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1781">29:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1781" data-t="1781">Shinobi. I don't know where he would fit in there except for it would he would probably be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1787" data-t="1787">maximally annoyed. Like, it seems like those two</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1790" data-t="1790">others, like, clashing with each other would be the most annoying thing possible to Shinobi.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1794" data-t="1794">And it would be his his retarded hell.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1798">29:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1798" data-t="1798">But I think the fact that the two of them both messaged you about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1803" data-t="1803">a predator post just shows how you're really in the pocket, dude. Like, you're at the nexus of so much of this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1810" data-t="1810">culture and community.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1812" data-t="1812">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1813" data-t="1813">did you ever think that you would find yourself in such a position of, like, really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1818" data-t="1818">having your finger on the pulse</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1820">30:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1820" data-t="1820">in such a</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1821">30:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1821" data-t="1821">strong way?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1824">30:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1824" data-t="1824">I think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1827" data-t="1827">that is where</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1829" data-t="1829">the forty hours per week I I try to tell people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1833" data-t="1833">is you find out that forty hours per week is not a joke at the price you deserve.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1838" data-t="1838">And if it it it's a portal into</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1843" data-t="1843">a a a new culture. A and you can like the more you listen, the deeper you go, the deeper you go</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1850">30:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1850" data-t="1850">until ultimately</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1852" data-t="1852">you</span> <span class="cue" data-t="1852">your life becomes a podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1854" data-t="1854">And it's only it's like a a cartoon where he wakes up and it's in the cartoon world.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1860" data-t="1860">But once you realize that everything's a podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1864" data-t="1864">it's it's like a Home Alone where he's like sitting there. He's like, my family's in Florida. I'm in New York. And he's like, my family's in Florida.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1873">31:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1873" data-t="1873">I'm in New York. They're like, everything is a podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1878" data-t="1878">You're a this is how the pod big business, how wide podcasters have cut catapulted to the top of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1884" data-t="1884">everything.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1885" data-t="1885">It's because,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1888" data-t="1888">life has become a podcast and and some people are aware of it. Right? And some people are not. Tiger is not aware</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1894" data-t="1894">that he is</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1896">31:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1896" data-t="1896">a,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1897" data-t="1897">foundational</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1899" data-t="1899">point of a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1900" data-t="1900">of an of a podcast verse of, like, this whole culture.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1905" data-t="1905">And it's it's that's what makes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1908" data-t="1908">him so awesome. Like, that's what makes all these characters in the Google verse so funny.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1913">31:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1913" data-t="1913">Yeah. I mean, when you do listen to forty hours per week,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1916" data-t="1916">these people seem to be a part of your actual</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1920" data-t="1920">life. Right? And there's really no other way to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1924" data-t="1924">insert yourself into that story</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1927" data-t="1927">other than to start a podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1930" data-t="1930">You just made me think of something of, Predator being an accidental</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1934">32:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1934" data-t="1934">podcaster.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1935" data-t="1935">What you guys are super good with AI. What if you just, like, took crawled all of his tweets, fed it into an LLM, and then</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1943">32:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1943" data-t="1943">made a predator podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1945" data-t="1945">based off of all of his posts? I mean,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1949">32:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1949" data-t="1949">is that not That's a good idea.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1951" data-t="1951">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1952" data-t="1952">I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1953" data-t="1953">it's funny that you say this because I was inspired by</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1959" data-t="1959">the Will Stancil show.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1961" data-t="1961">If you're if you're if if you're aware of this Will Stancil show Will Stancil was, like, running for Congress</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1967">32:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1967" data-t="1967">or,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1968" data-t="1968">and maybe he was even, like, local con of Senate or something like that. In the in if you look it up, you can get all the details, but it was Summer and then Ortiz,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1976" data-t="1976">I I think. But he was just, you know, super</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1979" data-t="1979">the most annoying, like, celeb slap version of, like, a woke lefty</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1983" data-t="1983">politician.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1986" data-t="1986">It but to the point where he was one of those engagement farmers where it was just saying the absurd</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1994">33:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1994" data-t="1994">positions in, like, a vile way just to get the rise because, you know, right wing Twitter had had blown up. Like, if you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2001" data-t="2001">if you tweeted the wrong thing, you just got dumped me your retard of the week. I go to the equipment, the retard finder would come and find you and send in deep tag you and say, I found one.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2012" data-t="2012">And it was embarrassing at first, and people were like, damn. Like, I can't believe you're coming. But now, then they realized, oh, I can, like, make a bunch of money by being a retard.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2021" data-t="2021">And and being a convicted retard on Twitter so much money so</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2026" data-t="2026">to combat to like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2027" data-t="2027">finally</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2029">33:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2029" data-t="2029">I don't know</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2032" data-t="2032">neutralizing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2033" data-t="2033">that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2035" data-t="2035">wave is was like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2037" data-t="2037">the Will Stancil show where they did they took that. They took everything</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2040" data-t="2040">and they created a sitcom, like a cartoon sitcom and it inspired a ton of memes like the it do be like that, Mr. Stancil.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2048">34:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2048" data-t="2048">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2050" data-t="2050">it is it's really good and I thought that would Flight of her would be the next, like, Will Stansell. It'd be perfect. It's like he's the ornery</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2057" data-t="2057">the ornery grump,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2059" data-t="2059">who's, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2061" data-t="2061">engagement farming from the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2063" data-t="2063">in, like, that negative way like you talked about earlier. It's like you're not doing it in the right way.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2068">34:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2068" data-t="2068">He's coming from the right place, but he's not doing it in the right way. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2072" data-t="2072">No. I mean, there's something there, dude. Creating a whole AI universe based off of Vladimir's writings, I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2079" data-t="2079">that that that would drive clicks. That would drive clicks. You guys are always looking for a new project.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2085">34:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2085" data-t="2085">Totally. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2088" data-t="2088">that is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2089" data-t="2089">that is the brings up to them great, which is AI. Because that is the other</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2094" data-t="2094">angle. That is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2096" data-t="2096">probably,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2097" data-t="2097">if not probably, almost definitely</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2101">35:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2101" data-t="2101">the catalyst to everything that's going on right now.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2104" data-t="2104">You think about the music, the the sitcoms, the movies, whatever it is. It used to take,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2110" data-t="2110">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2112" data-t="2112">very illy, talented, or skilled</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2115" data-t="2115">people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2116" data-t="2116">all in one area with a ton of money, a ton of equipment,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2119">35:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2119" data-t="2119">cameras, like all this equipment. And the people write scripts, lawyers to litigate, who owns the rights to the story and blah blah blah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2127" data-t="2127">It just didn't create like a, you know, a movie. And now it's like people are just sitting out and farting around on chat GBT pumping out content</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2134" data-t="2134">that used to take, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2136" data-t="2136">to get untold capital and efforts to, produce. And now we're just all</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2142" data-t="2142">we have access to too much,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2144" data-t="2144">too much slot.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2146">35:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2146" data-t="2146">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2147" data-t="2147">it feels like that's everybody</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2149" data-t="2149">all the announcements, the news, the the slop, but Barcini, the plexa, all that is just trying to keep up with the fact that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2158" data-t="2158">we're really addicted to bullish announcements.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2161">36:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2161" data-t="2161">Mhmm.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2162" data-t="2162">Absolutely.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2163" data-t="2163">And AI definitely helps your output in creating bullish announcements.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2168" data-t="2168">And that it is a great debate. Right? I mean and you see it so much now. It's especially if you're online a lot, you can pick up the telltale signs of it's not x, it's y. Right? And, of course, the the n dash. People have gotten caught onto that, so they're deleting the n dashes now. But there it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2186" data-t="2186">we are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2188" data-t="2188">surrounded by it. We're swimming in it. We're drowning in it for sure. But I also think you're an idiot if you don't use this stuff, especially if you're in the content creation world. If you aren't leveraging the fact that you have a copy editor that's way better than you in terms of,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2204">36:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2204" data-t="2204">making sure all the i's are dotted and t's are crossed,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2207" data-t="2207">then you're you're just gonna get left behind because there are people who can</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2213" data-t="2213">who can leverage it faster than you and just put out more. And it's a quantity game too. I think at the end of the day, the biggest thing is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2221" data-t="2221">the input you put in first. If you have an idea, an outline, and have put in thought as to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2228" data-t="2228">what you really wanna say,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2230" data-t="2230">you're you're you're making good use of AI compared to those who just say, hey. Write me a story. Enter.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2237">37:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2237" data-t="2237">And putting that online. Because we're still early enough where that that does work to some extent, and it's it's really annoying and sickening to see.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2245">37:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2245" data-t="2245">How do you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2247" data-t="2247">how do you use AI?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2250" data-t="2250">Both for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2254" data-t="2254">professionally and, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2256" data-t="2256">what other, like, creative or personal proceeds? So, like, in do how much do those blend,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2264" data-t="2264">And how much is it changing what you do?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2269">37:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2269" data-t="2269">Yeah. I mean, the my number one most used prompt is definitely edit for clarity. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2275" data-t="2275">I'll write a a tweet,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2277" data-t="2277">and I know exactly what I want to say, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2280" data-t="2280">just plug it in there and see if it comes out better,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2283" data-t="2283">just in terms of the way that it's structured. It's some certain word usage and whatnot.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2287" data-t="2287">And</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2288">38:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2288" data-t="2288">a good amount of the time, it's tiny bit better. Sometimes it's not. I just go with what I wrote. But, I mean, it's just that editor, right,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2296" data-t="2296">is extremely important. When it comes to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2299" data-t="2299">like, I I do a live stream on Mondays, Bitcoin News Weekly, 11AM eastern, tune tuning on x, tune on YouTube.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2306" data-t="2306">But, yeah, I write a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2309" data-t="2309">intro monologue. Right? And I know what I wanna say. I'll gather all my information.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2314" data-t="2314">I will create an outline,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2316">38:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2316" data-t="2316">and then I'll just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2318" data-t="2318">hit enter, see what it comes up with. And then I'll compare it to what I was gonna do and go back and forth, and it just helps you iterate faster and faster and faster compared to having</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2329" data-t="2329">to do it all from scratch like the like, in the olden days.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2334">38:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2334" data-t="2334">But you said it right there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2336" data-t="2336">In one of my most</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2339" data-t="2339">frequently used prompts is the same, edit for clarity or help me be more concise or help me emphasize,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2349" data-t="2349">whatever</span> <span class="cue" data-t="2349">to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2351" data-t="2351">best communicate</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2352">39:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2352" data-t="2352">the messenger problem and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2355" data-t="2355">it has been extremely helpful</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2357" data-t="2357">and I you can tell</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2360" data-t="2360">other people are doing it like it is sometimes you notice that where somebody just is throwing straight</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2366" data-t="2366">AI</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2367" data-t="2367">slop on the timeline. I mean, you take out the em dashes, like, they don't even try to make it look, authentic.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2374">39:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2374" data-t="2374">And but some people but you can just notice everybody's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2379" data-t="2379">it seems like people are getting better at communicating.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2383" data-t="2383">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2384" data-t="2384">when</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2385" data-t="2385">an example I would give is, like, racism and, like, saying retard and saying slurs and, like, everything is, like, way more pot like, it's just if you look at the timeline</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2395" data-t="2395">that somebody from like 2017</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2397">39:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2397" data-t="2397">or '18 like it would you would not believe it but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2402" data-t="2402">the way</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2403" data-t="2403">people are able to be clear about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2406" data-t="2406">and more precise in their language is is creating more</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2410" data-t="2410">tolerance or more leeway</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2412" data-t="2412">from everybody else</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2414">40:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2414" data-t="2414">when they're being very sharp or very aggressive or being a very offensive</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2419" data-t="2419">and trying to kind of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2421" data-t="2421">because they can sense the intent maybe a little bit better. I don't know. That's just kind of a theory.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2425" data-t="2425">But AI but AI in general is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2428" data-t="2428">doing a good job. It's not just translating</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2431" data-t="2431">Chinese to English. It's translating English to English because one of the most the biggest problems, especially in Bitcoin, is when we're talking about big ideas and very ambiguous terms like what is Bitcoin money, data, whatever.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2444">40:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2444" data-t="2444">People are just talking past each other left and right, and most of them don't even know it. But now</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2449" data-t="2449">it's like it was a joke on South Park.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2452" data-t="2452">Everybody's just using AI to talk to each other. They're not really speaking anymore. But if it is what what is happening when anybody does that, it's like they're getting better at their job. They're getting better,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2463" data-t="2463">communication at work. They're able to get more chicks on Tinder. It's it's having a beneficial effect.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2470">41:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2470" data-t="2470">Or, you know, yeah. And it's it's super interesting when you actually are reading something, and then you get halfway through, and you're like, oh, this is AI. But I'm actually sort of interested in this, and this does have something to say. So I'm gonna complete it, but there's still something in the back of your head. It's like, yeah. But this is AI. You know? Like, yeah. But these these and it does. There is sort of a visceral reaction to sort of turns you off to it when you know that AI helped even just a little bit.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2495" data-t="2495">I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2496" data-t="2496">that's probably gonna go away in a year or two from now. People are just gonna completely,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2501" data-t="2501">lose that. But the question</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2503" data-t="2503">again is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2505" data-t="2505">how much human are people gonna want? How much human are people gonna demand? Right? Is there gonna be a there's gonna be a your following feed, your for you feed, and there's gonna be a human feed that's only human?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2518">41:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2518" data-t="2518">Right? Like, is that gonna show up in the the coming years? Because, dude, I mean, especially the boomers, the boomers are gonna be aged out. But for the next ten, fifteen years, they're gonna be completely,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2529" data-t="2529">mind effed by what's coming. They already are on Facebook, right, with shrimp Jesus and all this weird shit that they completely fall for.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2537">42:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2537" data-t="2537">Okay.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2538" data-t="2538">Talking about Facebook. So I haven't been on Facebook,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2542" data-t="2542">in years because they believe it was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2545" data-t="2545">now is sometimes I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2547" data-t="2547">I'm missing out but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2549" data-t="2549">I I did but I from what I remember of Facebook and like the Facebook boomers that I interact with</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2556">42:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2556" data-t="2556">when they took away like the censorship</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2558" data-t="2558">and they were just gonna let free speech flourish</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2561" data-t="2561">on Facebook.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2563" data-t="2563">I immediately thought of, like, how much AI</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2566" data-t="2566">was going to just totally, like, what you said, like, mind fuck the boomers. And how much it was trying to scam the boomers. I mean, they were gonna see video. I but we you you see it on Twitter sometimes, and it's it looks like the guy Brad Garlinghouse from Ripple, and he's, like, holding up a thing. It's, like, pay this address, and I'll send you this, and you'll get free XRP.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2587" data-t="2587">And like just the amount of boomers that if you put a veteran and a poppy or a guy that looks like Trump,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2595">43:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2595" data-t="2595">with Jesus and like their face like hello, you know, please donate money here and we're gonna go, you know, save this and that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2603" data-t="2603">And I I feel like they're just getting one shot at left and right by AI slop on,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2609" data-t="2609">on Facebook right now.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2612">43:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2612" data-t="2612">They are getting one shotted. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2615" data-t="2615">my dad was a victim almost a victim of a scam. Then somebody called him and said, hey. We're from the power company. We're gonna shut down the power in your house unless you go down to the local convenience store, go to the Bitcoin ATM, and send us Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2628" data-t="2628">Right? And that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2630" data-t="2630">to somebody who's older, you get them flustered. They're like, oh, what do I need to do?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2634" data-t="2634">And they just they they're very quick to to because they grew up in a different time. Right? It was a much more higher trust society than it is now.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2643" data-t="2643">And when you when you couple that with</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2645">44:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2645" data-t="2645">the advancements in AI, where they're going to be able to especially people who speak online,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2651" data-t="2651">even just a little bit, they can be able to mimic your voice</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2654" data-t="2654">seamlessly. And there's already these scams where people are getting called and they're saying, mom, I need help. I'm in a dire need. They're I'm in danger. If you don't send money right now, they're gonna cut off my finger. That that's happening right now. Everybody, I think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2667" data-t="2667">go home for the holidays this year and make a code word. Put all your phones in another room, no electronic devices around you, and have a family code word where if anything happens like that, you'd say, what's the code word? And you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2679" data-t="2679">either know it or not, and you can save yourself a lot of heartache in case something like that happens in 2026.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2687">44:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2687" data-t="2687">Totally.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2689" data-t="2689">So the boomers are gonna deal with scams. I mean, and they're they're not handling it well so far. But the other thing is, and you touched on this a little bit, which was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2701" data-t="2701">if you see something and you can sense, you could detect that it's AI and not human, just not human, and you're, like, repulsed by it. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2709" data-t="2709">like it's gonna get easier and easier to kinda disguise that and couch it so you keep you don't necessarily know and be but my point</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2717" data-t="2717">was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2718" data-t="2718">or I I guess my point is based on what I was saying earlier is that,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2723">45:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2723" data-t="2723">there is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2725" data-t="2725">seemingly a lot of value</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2726" data-t="2726">being added,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2728" data-t="2728">not just to, you know, to GDP, not just to the stock market. Like, it people are wondering, is this a bubble?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2735" data-t="2735">How are you? How are they gonna make up with this much productivity? I yada.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2739" data-t="2739">And I</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2741">45:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2741" data-t="2741">I think if you really look closely, you can see that it's it is making things better, more efficient, communication faster, smoother.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2751" data-t="2751">But</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2753">45:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 5</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2753" data-t="2753">with</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2754" data-t="2754">the ability</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2757" data-t="2757">to help people see the benefits</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2759">45:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2759" data-t="2759">of AI without them realizing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2762" data-t="2762">that it's AI or not thinking about the fact that it could be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2769" data-t="2769">AI, then so hopefully, you they kind of can get</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2774" data-t="2774">you can get them the news in a way that they will</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2778" data-t="2778">start to see as valuable. And then we make make good decisions from again and be less</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2785" data-t="2785">repulsed by the fact that</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2787">46:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2787" data-t="2787">they're listening to chat GBT or Claude or something like that. Because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2792" data-t="2792">people think that they're gonna worse we're gonna worship AI, but really, it's mostly everybody having to tell ChatGPT over and over again to stop being retarded. Like, you're an idiot. That's not the answer. Right? Like, people aren't trusting AI the way maybe we thought they would.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2808">46:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2808" data-t="2808">They're not trusting it, but, again, this is the worst it's ever gonna be. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2812" data-t="2812">I will admit that some of my forty hours per week of Bitcoin podcasts</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2817" data-t="2817">have been replaced with AI podcasts in the last year.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2821" data-t="2821">A good amount of them, you know. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2824" data-t="2824">you can a lot of people dismiss it still, but, dude, if you you listen to these people at these top labs, like, no. They're worried about PDoom, dude. It's it's all about PDoom. What's the probability of this thing literally destroying the human race?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2838" data-t="2838">And if it's not gonna destroy the human race, what is what are we gonna do when all</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2842">47:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2842" data-t="2842">work is relegated useless because the computers are smarter, faster, better, cheaper</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2848" data-t="2848">than any human could do anything, whether it be host a podcast or fix a toilet.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2854" data-t="2854">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2855" data-t="2855">that I mean, that's a question that I'm really, sort of wrestling with in my mind.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2862" data-t="2862">What happens five to ten years from now when</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2866" data-t="2866">shit, man. I mean,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2868">47:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2868" data-t="2868">there are people that there's gonna be AI podcasters that are indistinguishable from humans that can speak a lot more eloquently</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2874" data-t="2874">than me on anything.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2877" data-t="2877">So the is the podcast industry in danger, and what do we do to create a moat</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2882" data-t="2882">around us?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2886">48:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2886" data-t="2886">Well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2887" data-t="2887">I think the moat is what we talk about on this on this show is podcast entropy. The entropy in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2896" data-t="2896">the types</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2897" data-t="2897">of information, the type of data, type of podcasts. You got privacy podcasts. You got astrology podcasts, macro,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2904" data-t="2904">current events news type podcast. You've got libertarian podcast, Austrian. I get you you could</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2910" data-t="2910">touch every sphere, every part of the the universe.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2913">48:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2913" data-t="2913">And if you get enough,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2914" data-t="2914">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2916" data-t="2916">new perspectives and and, you know, almost chaos</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2919" data-t="2919">in the order of your of your podcast. You create a moat because it's, you know, you're not just like, at this point, like a professional sports has been ruined by gambling.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2929" data-t="2929">All all college football has been, you know, it's being ruined by NIL.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2934" data-t="2934">The NFL's ruined by the NBA, like, the a head coach or the guy you have arrested in the middle of the season or before the season.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2941">49:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2941" data-t="2941">Everything's being ruined, but Bitcoin is too</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2945" data-t="2945">it's too spread out. It's too you can't crack it. You can't ruin it with,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2950" data-t="2950">the the key. I can't close in on it quite as easily.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2955" data-t="2955">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2957" data-t="2957">it's sort of this sort of runs around with, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2960" data-t="2960">the idea of variety.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2962">49:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2962" data-t="2962">So I guess my next question is, like, are you when it comes to AI, are you monogamous, or are you, like, you're just using Google Gemini,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2968" data-t="2968">ChatGPT,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2970" data-t="2970">Claw,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2971" data-t="2971">all different ones? Are you trying everything out?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2973">49:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2973" data-t="2973">Dude, Google just stole my heart, dude.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2976">49:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2976" data-t="2976">I was a That is what seems to be the guys.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2979" data-t="2979">Oh my god. Dude, Google's so much better. It's just so much better. Like, you can In faster. Crazy?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2985">49:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2985" data-t="2985">Oh, I mean, I was with</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2988" data-t="2988">my dad this weekend,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2990" data-t="2990">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2991" data-t="2991">here's a little Rob Wallace lore.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2993" data-t="2993">My grandpa,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2995" data-t="2995">Robert Lee Wallace junior,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2998">49:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2998" data-t="2998">he was on the team the 20 man team that helped make the transistor at Bell Labs in New Jersey.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3005" data-t="3005">And so he's got some patents to his name. So I just said I spoke into Gemini into my phone. I said, hey.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3011" data-t="3011">There's a scientist, Robert Lee Wallace junior. He worked at Bell Labs. He worked on the transistor. Make me an infographic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3017" data-t="3017">of him and his patents.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3019" data-t="3019">And two, three minutes later, just made this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3022" data-t="3022">really beautiful, like, accurate,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3025">50:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3025" data-t="3025">poster,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3026" data-t="3026">of of my grandpa and what he did. And it's just like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3029" data-t="3029">what the hell is this?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3031" data-t="3031">Unbelievable.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3032" data-t="3032">Absolutely, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3035" data-t="3035">the amount of time, efforts,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3037">50:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3037" data-t="3037">and different talents that would have been needed to put that all together. And now it's just boom in your pocket, and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3043" data-t="3043">we take it for granted. But we are living really in unprecedented times. And again, it's as worse as it's ever gonna be right now, and it's accelerating.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3051" data-t="3051">It's it's getting faster.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3054">50:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3054" data-t="3054">Yes. Okay. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3056" data-t="3056">I guess</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3059" data-t="3059">for, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3061" data-t="3061">we've gone</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3063" data-t="3063">we kinda got to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3065" data-t="3065">a pretty good understanding</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3066">51:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3066" data-t="3066">of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3068" data-t="3068">what's going on in the world, like how the Bitcoin industry, the slop, all that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3073" data-t="3073">But it it all boils down to it feels like you just say that things are accelerating.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3078" data-t="3078">Some people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3079" data-t="3079">will pop the memes before turning. It feels like we're going through the fore turning. Institutions</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3084" data-t="3084">are getting, like, the spot, like, the LA city government, you know, the fires a year ago. Burn everything down. They didn't have any water in the fire. They were totally incompetent. Wrote Providence, Rhode Island,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3094">51:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3094" data-t="3094">totally incompetent.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3096" data-t="3096">The New York City mayor's race was between, you know, sort of like the three stooges basically up there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3102" data-t="3102">And one of the stooges won. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3105" data-t="3105">every time a new</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3108" data-t="3108">historically</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3109" data-t="3109">respected institution is put in the spotlight,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3111">51:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3111" data-t="3111">it seems like in the past year or so.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3114" data-t="3114">It's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3115" data-t="3115">nothing but a bunch of em embezzlement</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3118" data-t="3118">and and plus slot.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3120" data-t="3120">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3122" data-t="3122">same thing's happening in the media culture at all. Where are we going?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3127">52:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3127" data-t="3127">Bitcoin is trading at what not what we expected a year ago. Totally</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3132" data-t="3132">disappoint paper Bitcoin summer disappointment.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3135" data-t="3135">Seems like this is a lot of chaos and disappointment,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3138" data-t="3138">but is it going to get better soon or worse?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3143" data-t="3143">Do you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3145" data-t="3145">follow any of these astrological</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3147">52:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3147" data-t="3147">fourth or any of these theories? You which one do you think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3151" data-t="3151">explains where we're at? What is your perspective</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3155" data-t="3155">in that context?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3157">52:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3157" data-t="3157">Yeah. I mean, I've been a pretty hardcore</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3160" data-t="3160">conspiracy theorist, I guess, the best way to describe it, since the financial crisis. Right? Since I was a a young young lad. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3167" data-t="3167">that really when I went down the rabbit hole for the first time, I thought that the we were gonna have hyperinflation in America by 2012.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3175" data-t="3175">Right? And I I was I was prepared to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3178" data-t="3178">have to go out and fight for your meal and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3181" data-t="3181">live in this the stone age,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3183">53:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3183" data-t="3183">since then. But, I mean, the twenty tens were not that. Right? It was,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3187" data-t="3187">hipsters</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3189" data-t="3189">and Facebook and Instagram.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3191" data-t="3191">So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3192" data-t="3192">what's funny is when you're been prepared for the world to sort of blow up for so long and it doesn't, you get a little jaded and you start to think, okay. Maybe they can keep this game going on along a lot longer than than you thought you could. But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3206" data-t="3206">what we are seeing is the the constant</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3208">53:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3208" data-t="3208">I think the right word is in stratification</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3211" data-t="3211">of of pretty much everything in the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3214" data-t="3214">in the physical world. Right? The world of atoms is getting shittier. The world of bytes is getting better. And I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3221" data-t="3221">that is the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3223" data-t="3223">what we must rebel against, the desire to just dive deeper and deeper into the world of bytes and forget this physical world</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3232" data-t="3232">that we have, that human beings have</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3234">53:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3234" data-t="3234">inhabited for millions of years,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3237" data-t="3237">and that that which we are involved evolved for. Right? Because that's that's where our happiness comes from, when we satisfy these these biological and emotional</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3247" data-t="3247">needs. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3249" data-t="3249">the worlds of bytes can hijack that and make you think you're getting what you need, but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3255" data-t="3255">you're you're really you're lying to yourself.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3257" data-t="3257">So you got</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3259">54:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3259" data-t="3259">to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3261" data-t="3261">at the end of the day, I'm I'm sort of a a Buddhist in a way that I think that life is what you make it. Right? It's all in your head. It's between your two ears in terms of how good or how bad your life is. And so,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3273" data-t="3273">it's up to us to to make that personal decision and that responsibility to make your your life what you want. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3280" data-t="3280">yeah, there's no denying that the intunefication</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3283" data-t="3283">of the the outside world is is is happening. And we are distracted, very easily distracted by the roller bites.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3292">54:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3292" data-t="3292">Yeah. It's like a a digital flood.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3294" data-t="3294">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3295" data-t="3295">luckily, we have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3297" data-t="3297">a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3298" data-t="3298">an anchor</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3300" data-t="3300">if we're seeking digital scarcity again. I think it's kind of we're overloaded with so much information.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3306">55:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3306" data-t="3306">It's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3307" data-t="3307">it's almost like we</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3309" data-t="3309">I was joking</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3310" data-t="3310">because, we jumped on the last podcast that Arizona</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3314" data-t="3314">is on and Huddl. He always makes some goofy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3317" data-t="3317">declarative statements. He he likes to announce things too in his own weird way. Is that He he wanted to he's one of Bitcoin news. He's blocked Bitcoin. He's just Of course. Of course.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3327">55:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3327" data-t="3327">He said, like, well, he's, like, making money already. It made Bitcoin or make boobs hard to see again. And I I lost it. I was, like, why would you wanna do that? But it may be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3337" data-t="3337">we we have too much access to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3341" data-t="3341">good content,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3342" data-t="3342">hot content,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3343" data-t="3343">interesting content, flashy content.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3346" data-t="3346">And we gotta, like, anchor it back and make it scarcer again or because not so there's there's less of it</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3353">55:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3353" data-t="3353">so that it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3355" data-t="3355">value we know how to value it better. We just need to relearn how we need to learn how to value information better</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3362" data-t="3362">at at a we gotta learn fast. And I think that it things will start to sort themselves out</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3367" data-t="3367">from there. I hope I hope so.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3371">56:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3371" data-t="3371">Yeah. I think it as libertarians,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3373" data-t="3373">as Bitcoiners, we don't wanna tell anybody what they can't do. Right? But we also</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3380" data-t="3380">I think it's important</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3382" data-t="3382">for us to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3384" data-t="3384">create a community</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3385" data-t="3385">ethos where we say</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3387">56:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3387" data-t="3387">some things are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3389" data-t="3389">not that good for you and should be shunned, and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3394" data-t="3394">some things should be embraced. And I think, yeah,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3398" data-t="3398">boobs on the Internet are probably a little too easy to to find if you're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3402" data-t="3402">eight, nine years old.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3403" data-t="3403">And I think that's something that we should try to</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3407">56:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3407" data-t="3407">uphold that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3408" data-t="3408">they shouldn't probably be saying that. So, yeah, I mean, it's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3413" data-t="3413">it's funny. It's something like the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3415" data-t="3415">the Tradcon</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3416" data-t="3416">ness of Bitcoin Twitter. I think I definitely saw its heyday in 2122.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3422" data-t="3422">Right?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3422">57:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" data-t="3422">And I think it's sort of gone away a bit,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3426" data-t="3426">over the last couple of years. Sort of, I guess, replaced by the suits.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3430" data-t="3430">But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3431" data-t="3431">yeah. Do you remember Laser Hole, dude?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3434">57:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3434" data-t="3434">Oh, yeah. I don't I totally remember Laser. I think he's still</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3439" data-t="3439">I think he's still Puddles Singh on a corner in Noster, but I haven't seen him on on Twitter in a few years.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3445">57:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3445" data-t="3445">He's on Twitter, dude. Not Oh, he is. But I think, like, he doesn't even have, like, a name. He just has, like, a satellite emoji. It's, like, his his tag on his side. Still doing the masculine frame?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3455" data-t="3455">But that's what I was going at. Yeah. Like, he went super hard into the the masculine frame thing, and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3461" data-t="3461">it's that felt like a little bit too much. Right? Like, okay. If you wanna do that in your own house, like, that that's cool. But it just, it was a little little bit off putting. So there there's a time and place for for everything.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3472" data-t="3472">But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3474" data-t="3474">I think there's also a big difference between</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3477" data-t="3477">telling people</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3478">57:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3478" data-t="3478">what you do and telling other people what to do.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3483">58:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3483" data-t="3483">How do you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3485" data-t="3485">how do you prevent or do you have any tips even to prevent how do you prevent yourself from crashing out? There's a lot of people crashing out and I think there's gonna be a lot more people crashing out</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3495" data-t="3495">next year. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3497" data-t="3497">people are crashing all the rest. Like, I would say Laser Huddle</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3501" data-t="3501">crashed out. And he wasn't it was masculine frame. It was, like, get on zero. So basically, beyond zero fiat only</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3508" data-t="3508">holding and spending Bitcoin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3510">58:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3510" data-t="3510">And it was just it it's constant extreme,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3514" data-t="3514">like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3515" data-t="3515">easy period test to fail.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3518" data-t="3518">I don't know, gimmicks, whatever you wanna call it. It's just very hard</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3521" data-t="3521">to sustain</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3523" data-t="3523">that much discipline, that much,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3527">58:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3527" data-t="3527">warping discipline on on Twitter.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3529" data-t="3529">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3530" data-t="3530">how do you, like what do you you just have to learn to choose your battles? Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3535" data-t="3535">what's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3536" data-t="3536">what's your advice?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3538">58:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3538" data-t="3538">Yeah. I think it's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3540" data-t="3540">yeah. When you're in this world, this lifestyle of being online a lot,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3545" data-t="3545">it really doesn't bode well for you if you're the kind of person who gets worked up too easily. And, I mean, I think you guys have sort of made a name for yourselves by picking out those people that do take themselves too seriously and, making it clear to everyone else that they do.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3559" data-t="3559">So</span> <span class="cue" data-t="3559">yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3561" data-t="3561">I'll go the the corny answer and say meditate. Right? I do think that just having</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3567">59:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3567" data-t="3567">having some time during the day where you're not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3571" data-t="3571">on an electronic device, where you're not consuming anything else, and you're sort of just, can you be comfortable in a room by yourself for twenty minutes not doing anything?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3580" data-t="3580">Some people are horrified of that. And if that's who you are, you need to start working on that ASAP because you are making yourself way too vulnerable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3588" data-t="3588">to outside forces and the world at large. And when it comes to being online and AI, you are the perfect</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3595" data-t="3595">soon to be victim.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3597" data-t="3597">Yeah. It's like, how how comfortable can you be with with your sitting there by yourself with your own thoughts? And if if you can if you can do that, then you can you have enough mental armor,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3609">1:00:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3609" data-t="3609">psychic armor to to go out into the the big bad world of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3613" data-t="3613">of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3614" data-t="3614">the the online world and and fight your battles.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3619">1:00:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3619" data-t="3619">The other if you if if one risk is crashing out, the other one is probably</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3625" data-t="3625">chat, GPT, or AI psychosis.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3627" data-t="3627">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3629" data-t="3629">I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3630" data-t="3630">I don't know the answer but it seems like meditation might be the answer for both and it seems like if</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3638" data-t="3638">if you can't go out and sit alone with your own thoughts and you you probably bordering on crashing out. But if if you can't go out and sit alone with your own thoughts because</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3648">1:00:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3648" data-t="3648">you don't have any of your own thoughts anymore,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3651" data-t="3651">maybe that's chat cheeky psychosis. I don't know. Like, how do you think about that? And because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3656" data-t="3656">I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3657" data-t="3657">anybody who's used AI enough</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3659" data-t="3659">probably can</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3660" data-t="3660">see</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3661">1:01:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3661" data-t="3661">the dangers or the risks,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3664" data-t="3664">from getting because chat gbt psychosis is probably a spectrum. But yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3668">1:01:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3668" data-t="3668">Have you watched any YouTube videos on chat gbt psychosis?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3672">1:01:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3672" data-t="3672">I've I've gone on that. Yeah. I've I've I've found I've tried to find some good ones, and there was, like, some guys in Silicon Valley, some big tech guys that were</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3680" data-t="3680">exhibiting chat GBT psychosis and and also, you know, just goofy plebs and both of them are crazy to to see.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3689">1:01:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3689" data-t="3689">It's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3690" data-t="3690">I think the the first step is to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3694" data-t="3694">I would never use</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3696" data-t="3696">a chatbot</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3697" data-t="3697">as a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3699" data-t="3699">therapist. Right? I I'm pretty hesitant to put in personal information,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3703">1:01:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3703" data-t="3703">especially that could give them a psychological profile of of myself.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3708" data-t="3708">They they know that I like Bitcoin and that I like to edit for clarity. They definitely know about that about me. But, it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3714" data-t="3714">I think and the the sickle fancy of these,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3717" data-t="3717">chatbots really turns me off. It's it's so gross. Like, the second it's like, oh, that was amazing. Like, I've never you you really nailed it there. And I'm just like, shut the fuck up, dude. Like, no. I I don't want that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3728" data-t="3728">Stop being a sif for me, dude. Shut up.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3732" data-t="3732">But there are some people who really like that. And, I mean, there's a lot of lonely people.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3736">1:02:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3736" data-t="3736">And if you're willing to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3739" data-t="3739">to to bear your soul to a chatbot, I think then you're again, you're making yourself a prime victim to fall into it. Because a lot of this chat, GBT psychosis,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3748" data-t="3748">is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3750" data-t="3750">that people thinking that they've come up with some novel way of viewing the universe. Right? That they've broken through to a new level, that they've unlocked their Tachibuty,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3761" data-t="3761">and it is now</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3763" data-t="3763">trans</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3763">1:02:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" data-t="3763">transmitting the the secrets of of deep universal truth to them. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3769" data-t="3769">that's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3770" data-t="3770">that's a repeatable story that many people have have gone down. So if you find yourself thinking that you've had a breakthrough</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3777" data-t="3777">again, these things are not good at breakthroughs. Right? They're they're good at rearranging and remixing and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3784" data-t="3784">referencing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3785" data-t="3785">But in terms of finding</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3788">1:03:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3788" data-t="3788">new physics, maybe they can at the Frontier Labs, but you're not you're not doing that on on chat g b t. So so catch yourself there if you find yourself</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3796">1:03:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3796" data-t="3796">thinking you found Yeah. Totally good physics times two. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3803">1:03:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3803" data-t="3803">You you're probably not going to impress ChatGPT</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3806" data-t="3806">and so it's like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3808" data-t="3808">you're in Vegas and like a hot chick comes up to you and is trying to ask you out you know it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3813" data-t="3813">she</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3814" data-t="3814">it's there's a game there. Right? So, like, if chat g b if you're if you think you're teaching chat g b c about quantum computers and you think you're teaching chat g b t,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3824" data-t="3824">about how it's possible to to get fusion, whatever it is and chat g b t is like, wow, like, you are the smartest person. I'd ever thought of it this way before.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3833">1:03:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3833" data-t="3833">That is the stripper telling you that you're interesting. They're telling you that she likes you. Right? Just remember that. This is all about money.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3841" data-t="3841">Everybody on Twitter, everybody</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3843" data-t="3843">is posting all the podcasters,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3845" data-t="3845">ChatGPT,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3847" data-t="3847">all of it, all the AI, the hot chicks that with AI voices.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3852" data-t="3852">Lynn Alden, her newsletter.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3854">1:04:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3854" data-t="3854">It's all about money. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3857" data-t="3857">just just keep that in mind. Probably, hopefully, won't get ChatGPT's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3861" data-t="3861">psychosis and crash out.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3865">1:04:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3865" data-t="3865">Is it all about money, or is it all about attention?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3870" data-t="3870">And is attention</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3871" data-t="3871">the new money of the twenty first century?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3874">1:04:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3874" data-t="3874">There you go. Yes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3876" data-t="3876">Yes. And then what is it? Very wise Bitcoin. Did, why does that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3881" data-t="3881">incorporate Bitcoin, encompass Bitcoin? Because Bitcoin is is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3884" data-t="3884">all about attention. Like, hey. Everybody's got their attention on Bitcoin. Then they will</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3890" data-t="3890">it's all about the drama. It's all about what's going on with every ten minutes. Everybody's looking at everybody's paying attention. And when you you pay attention to things, it's harder to fuck with it. It's harder to be fucked with. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3902" data-t="3902">attend yeah. The attention economy. What the things that have the most attention will be</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3908">1:05:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3908" data-t="3908">that you it's it will be it's they'll be valuable. There you go. Got it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3914">1:05:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3914" data-t="3914">How many people in terms of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3917" data-t="3917">Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" data-t="3917">Twitter,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3918" data-t="3918">how many people do you think there actually are on there</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3922" data-t="3922">that that give it enough attention to know to know the characters,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3926" data-t="3926">to know the players?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3930">1:05:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3930" data-t="3930">Less than 10,000.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3931" data-t="3931">And, like, even of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3934" data-t="3934">the 10,000</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3935" data-t="3935">who are,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3937" data-t="3937">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3938" data-t="3938">acute or you they're somewhat aware. Right? It's like</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3942">1:05:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3942" data-t="3942">a third of that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3945" data-t="3945">knows, you know, 50% of the Dukalverse characters, right, or of the story or gets the joke. Right? And I'd say</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3953" data-t="3953">none of us really get</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3955" data-t="3955">the full picture of the joke. Right? Again, that's probably why it's fun is it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3961" data-t="3961">small enough that it's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3966" data-t="3966">the answer to your question, yeah, just a few thousand.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3970">1:06:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3970" data-t="3970">And it's it's funny because it is it is a small group,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3974" data-t="3974">but there is a disproportionate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3977" data-t="3977">amount of reach. Right? I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3979" data-t="3979">David Bailey's hanging out with the president.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3983" data-t="3983">The like, we we do,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3986" data-t="3986">I think, hit above our weight, and that</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3989">1:06:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3989" data-t="3989">makes your job so much more fun and entertaining. Right? If it was just some other small group and we were into racing RC cars in in a basement,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3998" data-t="3998">it'd be very different than if we're dealing with the the next world reserve asset.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4003">1:06:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4003" data-t="4003">Right. And it's all held together</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4006" data-t="4006">by a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4008" data-t="4008">a a couple of group chats. You know what I mean? Like a car or a couple of group chat platforms.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4013" data-t="4013">You probably know</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4014" data-t="4014">that and we talk about this on the episode. I had a whole episode with Mars</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4019" data-t="4019">about group chats and, like, the</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4021">1:07:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4021" data-t="4021">the influencer group chats, how they work, you know, who's joining them, what the behavior is, like, how the plebs are are bickering and fighting and competing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4031" data-t="4031">in the group chats. But, like, this whole little</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4033" data-t="4033">ecosystem,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4035" data-t="4035">they're really, like, the if it becomes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4037" data-t="4037">the reserve currency, it's all held together</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4040" data-t="4040">by,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4042">1:07:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4042" data-t="4042">by group chats. Right now, like, that's probably one of the new institutions of Fortran.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4048">1:07:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4048" data-t="4048">Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, decentralized communication.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4052" data-t="4052">Tell me, dude, the the vibes. Is it bear market vibes in the group chats, and do group chats get better in bear markets?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4059">1:07:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4059" data-t="4059">Yep. This this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4061" data-t="4061">is this is a huge question. We are definitely in a group chat recession.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4065" data-t="4065">The next few weeks are gonna be, they're gonna tell a big story because the next two weeks are traditionally, like, especially United States,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4074" data-t="4074">very people few people are working. They're kind of laying low, hanging out with their families, traveling.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4081" data-t="4081">And even if they are at work</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4083" data-t="4083">until the first of the year, nobody's really getting a whole lot done, and nobody's even having to pretend. And ChattyPT is probably going to,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4092">1:08:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4092" data-t="4092">get some time off. But if the group chats do not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4095" data-t="4095">pop back up the next two weeks, it's bad news, I think, for 2026.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4100" data-t="4100">And I think it is because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4103" data-t="4103">and I don't think it's a bad thing. I think it's it's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4107" data-t="4107">necessary</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4108" data-t="4108">natural thing. I think that we didn't know how to value group chats. We didn't value group chats nearly as much as we should have. We let way too</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4117">1:08:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4117" data-t="4117">many bad people into our we</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4119" data-t="4119">we let way too many bad people in, and we</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4122" data-t="4122">joined way too many that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4124" data-t="4124">we shouldn't have.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4126" data-t="4126">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4128" data-t="4128">2026 will be about being proud of the group chats you're in and being proud of your brothers in your group chat. And if we get to that again, the group chats will flourish. It's like the strong times</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4138">1:08:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4138" data-t="4138">make,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4140" data-t="4140">the strong men make good times, that whole thing. You could say this thing about group chats.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4145">1:09:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4145" data-t="4145">Have you had any group chat infiltration? Have you had any scammers try to get into your to group chat and, mess with people?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4156">1:09:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4156" data-t="4156">No.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4157" data-t="4157">Not yet.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4159" data-t="4159">The break very careful about that. And I think that's another important aspect is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4165" data-t="4165">fed resistant or scammer resistant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4168" data-t="4168">group chats are very important. You definitely have to you have a captcha up to keep, like, the spammers who are just posting Solana stuff, like, spamming every group chat they can.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4177" data-t="4177">But,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4179">1:09:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4179" data-t="4179">no. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4181" data-t="4181">I won't know what the key to success there is. Just,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4186">1:09:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4186" data-t="4186">Well, I've got a group chat scammer horror story. Did you hear that? So What's your what's your</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4192" data-t="4192">Our local Bitcoin meetup,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4195" data-t="4195">we've had a group chat. Right? And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4197" data-t="4197">about a 100 people or so were there. And, I mean, there are definitely some there's always some leaders of the group chat. Right? Some people with more</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4205" data-t="4205">reputation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4207" data-t="4207">that precedes them. And so some new guy joined, and</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4211">1:10:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4211" data-t="4211">somebody who has who's on Bitcoin Twitter is has a little bit of a following. He's he's in our Bitcoin meetup.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4219" data-t="4219">And the new guy got DM ed on the side by, quote, unquote, him. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4226" data-t="4226">And the new guy, was super happy to be DM ed by him, and the guy the just call him the OG in our group,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4233" data-t="4233">messaged him and said, hey, man. I'm about to go up and buy a bunch of miners,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4237" data-t="4237">but the guy won't take my cash. He only wants Bitcoin. Could you just front me some Bitcoin right now? I got some reason why my wallet won't work. Just like, front me some Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4246" data-t="4246">and,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4247">1:10:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4247" data-t="4247">I'll, I'll make you good.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4250">1:10:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4250" data-t="4250">Dude, the guy lost my</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4252" data-t="4252">0.1 Bitcoin, dude.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4255">1:10:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4255" data-t="4255">That's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4256" data-t="4256">that's stop adding that. You gotta</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4260" data-t="4260">yeah. It's hard. You gotta watch out for that. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4264" data-t="4264">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4265" data-t="4265">I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4267" data-t="4267">that when people start to</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4269">1:11:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4269" data-t="4269">put the group chat spat together again,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4272" data-t="4272">it'll</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4273" data-t="4273">it'll look a little bit different next time. It'll be, group chat three point o or group chat two point o. That's what we're at right the era of group chat two point o. And now,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4282" data-t="4282">you're gonna have, like, e cash, you're gonna have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4285" data-t="4285">more lightning,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4287" data-t="4287">enabled you see, group chats are becoming</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4289">1:11:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4289" data-t="4289">you could set up your own mint, you could</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4293" data-t="4293">group chat credit union. So you all have to DM something on the side. You say, hey, in the group chat where everybody can see, I need a loan to get some minors. Everybody's like, alright. I'll sign that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4304" data-t="4304">that loan</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4305" data-t="4305">in this federation or whatever. Right. So it's not even damn done. They already have it. It's totally Fed. Yes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4310" data-t="4310">Yeah. So people will start to actually build on these, hopefully. It's like you said, we can iterate faster.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4317">1:11:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4317" data-t="4317">Yeah. And it will be Noster based, and, UX will suck. And you'll only see half the messages. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4323" data-t="4323">it'll be great. It'll be more raw, and you'll really appreciate the messages that do come through.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4329">1:12:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4329" data-t="4329">So, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4331" data-t="4331">cool, man.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4333" data-t="4333">Is there anything else,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4336" data-t="4336">how can what what kind of content what kind of podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4341" data-t="4341">are available,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4343" data-t="4343">on your platform and what's coming and what should people what should people look for?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4349">1:12:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4349" data-t="4349">Yeah. So we got the Monday livestream,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4352" data-t="4352">Bitcoin News Weekly. You are a former,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4354" data-t="4354">guest on there. New person each Monday, we break down the newsletter,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4358" data-t="4358">that comes out that Monday morning.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4361" data-t="4361">Great to go over the headlines, the biggest, news in Bitcoin, get a fresh perspective from, new guest each week, and it's a tight hour. Lot of fun. All the guests say they have a good time when they come on, so that's my sign that is we're providing some value there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4375" data-t="4375">A new podcast interview comes out every single week on Wednesdays on,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4380">1:13:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4380" data-t="4380">YouTube, Fountain, Spotify, Apple,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4384" data-t="4384">and that's fun. And then on Fridays, we started a new show. We're trying to bring the fun back to Bitcoin, and everybody does a podcast. Everybody</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4393" data-t="4393">interviews.</span> <span class="cue" data-t="4393">We want to make it more</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4395" data-t="4395">game show like, talk show like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4399" data-t="4399">add in a little levity to the situation, give out Bitcoin each show, Make a sort of community about it. And, yeah, that's the Friday stack. Happens 12 thirties on Fridays on,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4411">1:13:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4411" data-t="4411">on x and all the other live streaming platforms.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4413" data-t="4413">I still haven't figured out how to stream to Nostr, so I might need to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4419" data-t="4419">pay you some stats for a lesson on how to do that. But one day, I'll get there. I I just got on Stockton. So give me some time, and then I'll get on Noster, I guess.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4426">1:13:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4426" data-t="4426">Well, anyway,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4427" data-t="4427">the group chats and everything else is in a bear market, in a recession. Let me tell you. Now, Noster, I am I I had tried been trying to load my notifications</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4438" data-t="4438">on primal since October of seventeenth,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4440" data-t="4440">and I still can't see them. And I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4444" data-t="4444">it's because I got into one of those health threads. And so if you get on Monster, you gotta it's like the worms in, Tremors. It's like these health threads. If you get sucked into one of the your user experience has has been nuked, but I wouldn't worry about an Oscar. Hate to see it, guys, but you gotta fix that shit.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4461" data-t="4461">But I like the game show idea.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4464">1:14:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4464" data-t="4464">I think we need more game shows. If you need Steve Harvey, if you need that orange pilled Family Feud, we need everything. Yeah. It was fun. But Yeah. There's reason those things are on TV every day. People love game shows. People wanna win Bitcoin. Give them a chance to. Yeah. We got we're doing Mount Rushmore segments, tier lists,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4484">1:14:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4484" data-t="4484">trivia,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4485" data-t="4485">prediction markets, you know, all that kind of stuff. Just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4488" data-t="4488">have some fun with it. We're a little bit too serious sometimes, so</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4494">1:14:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4494" data-t="4494">let's let's enjoy ourselves.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4495">1:14:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Wallace</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4495" data-t="4495">We've got the hardest money in the world. We've got the sovereignty on our side. Why not bring back the levity?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4503">1:15:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4503" data-t="4503">Alright. I'll be up. Rob from bitcoinnews.com.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4508" data-t="4508">Thanks for joining me, man.</span></span></p>