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Give a hand for your chief drill instructor and chief orange pillar, Dennis Porter.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-12">0:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-12" data-t="12">Listen here, recruit. You are nothing, but I will shape and mold you into something. By the end of this course, you will understand thermodynamics,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-19" data-t="19">which podcast to listen to, and how to be a man. We will discuss how to orange pill people in the days ahead. I will teach you how to properly boost people on fountain. Won't touch no stir because that's gay. But most importantly,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-30" data-t="30">which headphones to purchase for the best podcast listening experience.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-34" data-t="34">Some may say life is more than listening to podcasts and reading breaking tweets. Those people are weak. Podcasting is a part of the American dream, a world where humble people like me can climb their ways to places of influence.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-46" data-t="46">Bitcoin podcast listeners are like the pioneers of early America heading west in search for golden adventure.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-52" data-t="52">Now slow down there, Dennis. You don't wanna get them too excited on the first day. Yeah. Seriously, Dennis. They're all popping boners in their pants. Too bad Dieter isn't here, so we could all see how small his erect penis is. Alright. I'll wrap this up. The bugle has assembled a crack team of the world's best orange pillars to teach you recruits on how to listen to forty hours of Bitcoin podcasts a week. The world changes not just by doing, but also</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-76">1:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-76" data-t="76">listening.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-77" data-t="77">We wanna prepare the next generation of orange berets to protect America's security.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-81" data-t="81">By the end of these few weeks, you will be well on your way. Well, quit standing around. Let's get to it. You heard Dennis Porter. Scram before I kick your ass. The Bugle podcast listening boot camp will be taking more recruits soon. We have sold out and will be expanding how many recruits we can take at a time.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-97" data-t="97">Keep an eye out, but more importantly, listen to podcasts to hear when enrollment opens for the next course. This is chief drill sergeant Dennis Porter. Come see if you have what it takes to be an elite podcast listener.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-114">1:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kailey Welch</b> <span class="cue" id="t-114" data-t="114">I'm so excited to be helping run the podcast listener boot camp. Have you been listening to your forty hours of Bitcoin podcasts a week? Stay tuned to hear when we will be running our next course. I promise you, getting orange pilled by Dennis will be much more fulfilling than Breedlove's Alpha Camp. We had a wonderful private late night orange pilling session over the weekend. You are about to listen to the most thermodynamically</span> <span class="cue" id="t-136" data-t="136">sound duo in the world of journalism.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-139" data-t="139">It's October and not time to be a gay bear. If you're feeling gay, it's probably because you haven't listened to enough Bitcoin podcasts or smoked enough cigarettes. We are about to change that. Get ready for some credentialed price predictions and expert analysis of the most important topics. If you are driving while listening to this podcast, make sure to unbuckle your seat belt and pour yourself a glass of whiskey. This is Kayley Welch and you are listening to the Bugle Weekly, the most credentialed Bitcoin podcast in the world.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-168">2:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-168" data-t="168">Welcome to the Bugle Weekly. This is your co host, Richard Grieser, with Rod Palmer joining me,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-175" data-t="175">from the Bugle</span> <span class="cue" id="t-179" data-t="179">podcast studio.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-181" data-t="181">We got Kaylee producing the show.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-183" data-t="183">This is gonna be, you know, a very big episode. We had some very</span> <span class="cue" id="t-188" data-t="188">important</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-189">3:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-189" data-t="189">and exciting news stories</span> <span class="cue" id="t-191" data-t="191">that happened this week.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-193" data-t="193">Natalie Burnell got married to Sam Callahan.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-199" data-t="199">HBO put out their documentary,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-201" data-t="201">that a lot of people have been arguing about. They they named Satoshi. That might be,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-208" data-t="208">that might create a geopolitical</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-210">3:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-210" data-t="210">conflict.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-211" data-t="211">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-212" data-t="212">of course, you know, we're just gonna continue to cover</span> <span class="cue" id="t-216" data-t="216">hyper Bitcoinization</span> <span class="cue" id="t-217" data-t="217">and the fact that Bitcoin has already won,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-220" data-t="220">pointing to examples of where that's happening. But,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-223">3:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-223" data-t="223">yeah, how are you doing today, Rob? What's going on?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-227">3:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-227" data-t="227">Hi. It's, dude, super glad to be here. And, I mean, you said it is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-232" data-t="232">not to be bullish right now. We're almost to the middle of October.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-236" data-t="236">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-237" data-t="237">just last week,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-239" data-t="239">not only did we learn who Satoshi was,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-242" data-t="242">MicroStrategy</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-243">4:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-243" data-t="243">and all time,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-245" data-t="245">MicroStrategy is going through the roof, and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-248" data-t="248">I don't know what there were some people because a short squeeze, something,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-252" data-t="252">the hedge fund that was shorting Michael Sailor</span> <span class="cue" id="t-255" data-t="255">and feeding his, his bad. They think that, David Louwout.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-259" data-t="259">Other people fitting for the market is sniffing out the fact that Bitcoin has already won.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-263">4:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-263" data-t="263">Volantron,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-265" data-t="265">is launching a shit coin on Tuesday.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-268" data-t="268">You mentioned that the orange wedding, which was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-271" data-t="271">the, you know, the social event of the year. Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-275" data-t="275">It was yeah. Unfortunately, Pacific Bitcoin was supposed to happen next week. This was supposed to be, like, the kickoff event,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-281" data-t="281">the Pacific Bitcoin. At first, we lost Pacific Bitcoin, but we didn't lose the orange wedding. Michael Sailor was there. It was a real who's who of Bitcoin podcasting</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-291">4:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-291" data-t="291">at that wedding,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-292" data-t="292">and we're excited to see more about that. But, yeah, the mood is high and it is time it's time to lock in. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-299">4:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-299" data-t="299">I know a lot of people are really upset with Tether for having taken</span> <span class="cue" id="t-304" data-t="304">Pacific Bitcoin from us.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-307" data-t="307">Yeah. Yeah. There were a lot of people that were really excited.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-312" data-t="312">But, yeah, for anybody that you know, your listeners might not understand the importance</span> <span class="cue" id="t-317" data-t="317">of this moment of Sam and Natalie,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-320" data-t="320">getting married in the, you know, the way that they did,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-324">5:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-324" data-t="324">at this kind of point in Bitcoin history. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-327" data-t="327">you know, for for people that are in the in the know, that are in the industry, that listen to forty hours of Bitcoin podcast week,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-336" data-t="336">you know, and go to Bitcoin meetups and, you know, try an orange pill, you know, everybody that they talk to. Mhmm.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-343" data-t="343">This is kinda like the equivalent of, like, a royal wedding.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-348">5:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-348" data-t="348">Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. This is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-351" data-t="351">Bitcoin's royal wedding.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-352" data-t="352">This is, like, the the the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-357" data-t="357">celebrities,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-358" data-t="358">the elite, the aristocracy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-361" data-t="361">of Dave White was there. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-364">6:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-364" data-t="364">Yeah. And it's exciting. They they recorded the wedding. They,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-370" data-t="370">they put it out on</span> <span class="cue" id="t-373" data-t="373">podcasting platforms. This is this is actually, I think, the first notable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-378" data-t="378">case of a wedding being turned into a podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-381" data-t="381">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-382" data-t="382">being</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-383">6:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-383" data-t="383">I love it. I love the idea.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-386" data-t="386">So I was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-387" data-t="387">told that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-389" data-t="389">at the wedding reception,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-391" data-t="391">the in all the front tables,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-393" data-t="393">that was the whale pass sections to the whales, all the the podcasters</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-398">6:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-398" data-t="398">were at the front.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-400" data-t="400">My dad at table,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-401" data-t="401">They were the first,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-402" data-t="402">you know, to get to dancing, go to the buffet.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-405" data-t="405">There was, there was at one point,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-408" data-t="408">you know, part of the wedding ceremony itself,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-411">6:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-411" data-t="411">in lieu of lighting candles, which is, you know, the kind of the traditional Christian western</span> <span class="cue" id="t-418" data-t="418">Mitchell had a wedding. They consolidated their UTXOs</span> <span class="cue" id="t-421" data-t="421">into one giant UTXO. It's like a symbol on chain symbol of their unity.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-426" data-t="426">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-428" data-t="428">and and put it into two of two multisig wallet.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-431" data-t="431">It was</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-432">7:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-432" data-t="432">there's all kinds of stuff like that. I mean, you had James Ladysh was there. Lyn Alden. Lyn Alden was actually showing her her, her ear that's usually hidden.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-443" data-t="443">In the pictures I saw, you had,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-446" data-t="446">Michael Sailor was there. I I already mentioned that. His handler, Eric Weiss, was there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-451" data-t="451">It was you know, the picture's there. Tim is beautiful, but he's Winston.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-456" data-t="456">I'm I'm I'm just feeling like FOMO. I'll tell you that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-460" data-t="460">The panel was little old in about the the history of money in lieu of the best man speech. I mean, wow.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-468">7:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-468" data-t="468">I don't I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-469" data-t="469">so I was looking at the pictures, and it looked like the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-472" data-t="472">ideal ratio</span> <span class="cue" id="t-474" data-t="474">that you could imagine in your mind. If you're getting married, do you want about 25, 30</span> <span class="cue" id="t-479" data-t="479">Bitcoin podcasters</span> <span class="cue" id="t-480" data-t="480">for every</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-482">8:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-482" data-t="482">family member that doesn't listen to you when you try to orange know them?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-486" data-t="486">It is that you want the you want the people closest to you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-491" data-t="491">And that's what it looked like the ratio was there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-494" data-t="494">So, you know, my question was at comedy orange cake, how many people did they orange pill just with the wedding itself. They had a huge Bitcoin cake.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-502" data-t="502">But I'm sure anybody who was there was a no coiner.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-505" data-t="505">It's probably not anymore. By the end of the of the reception,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-510">8:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-510" data-t="510">it was a room full of only Bitcoiners. I mean, how much do you think the bartender got tipped in Bitcoin? So I'm like, god. I mean, especially with the open bar, you will start getting drunk.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-519" data-t="519">Because I know when I'm like, if you're trying to sell me something,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-523" data-t="523">then you're using USDT.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-525" data-t="525">I'm like, $8. That's kind of a expensive cheeseburger for what it is. But if you, you know, if you show me a t shirt for 50000¢,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-532" data-t="532">I'm like, that sounds like a deal to me. I think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-535" data-t="535">I got 50,000 sets. Here you go. Well,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-539">8:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-539" data-t="539">yeah. I mean, I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-541" data-t="541">like, a lot of these weddings,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-544" data-t="544">they they tend to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-546" data-t="546">onboard</span> <span class="cue" id="t-548" data-t="548">the wait staff to using some sort of custodial Lightning wallet, right,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-552" data-t="552">for ease of use. Because, like, if you've ever</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-556">9:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-556" data-t="556">attempted to, you know, set somebody up</span> <span class="cue" id="t-559" data-t="559">kind of in a more sovereign manner using the Lightning Network,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-564" data-t="564">It's very common for, you know, you to be trying to do a demo and orange pill somebody and then for the payment to fail. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-573" data-t="573">I know. I know. But the the type of crowd that we're talking about that was at this wedding, you know, they're not they're not dicking around</span> <span class="cue" id="t-580" data-t="580">with little custodial Lightning payments. You know, they're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-584" data-t="584">they're sending,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-585">9:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-585" data-t="585">you know, large on train transactions.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-588">9:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-588" data-t="588">I think these people are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-591" data-t="591">so, I mean, they were, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-594" data-t="594">actively managing their lightning liquidity during the the ceremony. You know what I mean? That's why they they didn't even ask people to put their phones away. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-603">10:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-603" data-t="603">Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-604" data-t="604">you know, the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-605" data-t="605">the people that went to, like, Epstein parties or,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-609" data-t="609">p d d parties, you know, the the level of wealth that you're dealing with</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-614">10:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-614" data-t="614">is just like Max Heizer. Somebody like Max Heizer.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-617" data-t="617">Yeah. He has that kind of wealth. That's what I mean.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-620">10:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-620" data-t="620">Yeah. Like, you think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-623" data-t="623">you know, you go to a party,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-626" data-t="626">like, money is just like a joke to these people. They have so much. But, like, you go to a Natalie Burnell</span> <span class="cue" id="t-632" data-t="632">wedding,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-634" data-t="634">and these people have so much Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-637" data-t="637">like, they're they're rolling in intergenerational</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-640">10:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-640" data-t="640">wealth.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-641">10:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-641" data-t="641">Right. Exactly. That's a good point. So I remember when I was a kid,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-644" data-t="644">before, you know, inflation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-646" data-t="646">from since the nineties</span> <span class="cue" id="t-648" data-t="648">really took hold</span> <span class="cue" id="t-650" data-t="650">when you would see a wrap of large, it's a rich person just to kind of throwing a $100 bills around like it was nothing. And it is he was just hiding the grass, but it's like, you might see somebody, at the orange wedding and they might just be flipping</span> <span class="cue" id="t-663" data-t="663">a literal whole coin,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-665">11:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-665" data-t="665">you know, just for fun. You know, heads or tails. You're the whole coin, here's your tit. Thanks for the nickel of ultra. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-672">11:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-672" data-t="672">I got I got hundreds more of these. Yeah. I mean, this is a this is a pretty monumental</span> <span class="cue" id="t-676" data-t="676">moment.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-677" data-t="677">These two things happening, we're about to get a Bitcoiner</span> <span class="cue" id="t-681" data-t="681">elected into</span> <span class="cue" id="t-684" data-t="684">being in charge of the military industrial</span> <span class="cue" id="t-687" data-t="687">complex.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-690">11:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-690" data-t="690">Yeah. I mean, I I just can't one more thought on that. Orange is I just I can't think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-695" data-t="695">about a better way</span> <span class="cue" id="t-697" data-t="697">to incentivize</span> <span class="cue" id="t-698" data-t="698">some of your family extended family and friends to become Orangeville is to have, like, the coolest Bitcoin podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-706" data-t="706">slash conference of a wedding that's, like, the talk of the timeline,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-712" data-t="712">and you didn't get invited even though you're like you know, you grew up together. You were best friends until middle school. If you were if you would have listened to it and and when they tried to orange peel you</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-722">12:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-722" data-t="722">and you were a Bitcoiner, you would have been invited. So it's like, I'm not gonna miss the next one. I'm not missing the next Bitcoin conference wedding. Yeah. I'm surprised that,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-732">12:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-732" data-t="732">one, that the that Donald Trump didn't get invited</span> <span class="cue" id="t-735" data-t="735">to the wedding.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-738">12:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-738" data-t="738">Yeah. That is I hope he doesn't feel slighted. Yeah. I hope he doesn't feel slighted.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-744">12:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-744" data-t="744">I mean, it might have been, you know, because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-747" data-t="747">do you think it's okay</span> <span class="cue" id="t-749" data-t="749">if I talk about having doubts</span> <span class="cue" id="t-752" data-t="752">about Donald Trump being a Bitcoiner? Is that I know PodConf won't appreciate that type of talk, but Well, I think it's safe to do that. I think it it's a very</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-762">12:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-762" data-t="762">it's a very real concern</span> <span class="cue" id="t-764" data-t="764">because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-765" data-t="765">in my opinion,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-766" data-t="766">I'm just speculating. I have no evidence.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-769" data-t="769">I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-770" data-t="770">this wedding was really just a probably</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-773">12:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-773" data-t="773">exemplified</span> <span class="cue" id="t-775" data-t="775">the values of Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-777" data-t="777">not crypto.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-778" data-t="778">And Donald Trump is a Bitcoin and crypto</span> <span class="cue" id="t-782" data-t="782">type of person.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-784">13:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-784" data-t="784">Yeah. It's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-786" data-t="786">I know Plutator's been doing some really great work covering this topic and and documenting all the cases of shit coining that the former president has been involved with. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-797" data-t="797">it just, you know, it kinda makes me feel bearish,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-801" data-t="801">on America because, you know, America historically,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-804" data-t="804">the reason why it's been put so powerful is because it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-807" data-t="807">we as a nation have not shitcoin. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-813">13:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-813" data-t="813">that people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-814" data-t="814">do you think that if people are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-817" data-t="817">giving Donald Trump a pass, they wouldn't give up if otherwise</span> <span class="cue" id="t-822" data-t="822">because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-823" data-t="823">of his</span> <span class="cue" id="t-824" data-t="824">promise to help them pay their taxes?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-828">13:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-828" data-t="828">I could be part of it. It it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-832" data-t="832">I mean, I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-833" data-t="833">the problem here is so many people are just so</span> <span class="cue" id="t-839" data-t="839">tied to NGU</span> <span class="cue" id="t-840" data-t="840">and tied to, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-844" data-t="844">the pillars of what</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-846">14:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-846" data-t="846">upon which PodCon</span> <span class="cue" id="t-848" data-t="848">stands,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-850" data-t="850">that they're willing to compromise</span> <span class="cue" id="t-852" data-t="852">any sort of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-854" data-t="854">morals that they have.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-856" data-t="856">Right.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-857">14:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-857" data-t="857">It's it's almost like when when</span> <span class="cue" id="t-860" data-t="860">a lot of these individuals in the space, when they when they're looking at</span> <span class="cue" id="t-865" data-t="865">which political candidate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-868" data-t="868">they're looking to support,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-870" data-t="870">they they almost have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-873" data-t="873">the same level of scrutiny as Peter McCormack does when he's choosing sponsors for a show.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-881">14:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-881" data-t="881">Right. Right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-885" data-t="885">And you have to think you have to have some principles</span> <span class="cue" id="t-889" data-t="889">in this situation.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-891" data-t="891">Think about this. You would not trust</span> <span class="cue" id="t-894" data-t="894">your children.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-895" data-t="895">You would not trust your health.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-897">14:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-897" data-t="897">You would not trust your family's safety</span> <span class="cue" id="t-900" data-t="900">in the hands of somebody who doesn't listen to forty hours of Bitcoin podcasts a week. Why would you trust your country?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-908">15:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-908" data-t="908">Yeah. I mean, do you seriously want somebody to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-911" data-t="911">to have the nuclear codes that doesn't listen to forty hours of Bitcoin podcasts a week and just like blatantly shows it?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-918" data-t="918">Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-919" data-t="919">nobody</span> <span class="cue" id="t-920" data-t="920">nobody that listens to the adequate amount</span> <span class="cue" id="t-923" data-t="923">of podcast to even be remotely interesting, to have the to have the</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-929">15:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-929" data-t="929">level of understanding of the world that you need to even be a sentient being.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-935">15:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-935" data-t="935">Right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-936" data-t="936">We</span> <span class="cue" id="t-937" data-t="937">we I think the problem</span> <span class="cue" id="t-939" data-t="939">or part of it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-941" data-t="941">is that we keep</span> <span class="cue" id="t-945" data-t="945">hiring or selecting,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-948">15:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-948" data-t="948">politicians</span> <span class="cue" id="t-949" data-t="949">with high time preference. It's time</span> <span class="cue" id="t-951" data-t="951">we</span> <span class="cue" id="t-952" data-t="952">we let somebody with low time preference take over. It's time to kind of shift the pendulum</span> <span class="cue" id="t-958" data-t="958">to a lower time preference,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-962">16:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-962" data-t="962">group of leaders. Well, what's interesting about Donald Trump is compared to, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-968" data-t="968">a good portion</span> <span class="cue" id="t-970" data-t="970">well, I don't know. I mean, you could argue that Joe Biden has low time preference when it comes to his family. Right? Like, he</span> <span class="cue" id="t-977" data-t="977">has really done a good job of mentoring Hunter</span> <span class="cue" id="t-981" data-t="981">into,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-983" data-t="983">being an effective businessman</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-987">16:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-987" data-t="987">in the way that he has, you know, his whole career.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-990">16:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-990" data-t="990">Right. Most most people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-994" data-t="994">are selling Bitcoin to be able to afford to pay their taxes to Ukraine.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-999" data-t="999">And Hunter Biden</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1001" data-t="1001">is actually</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1003" data-t="1003">getting money tax money from Ukraine so much that he can pay his taxes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1008" data-t="1008">You know, he just forgot to, but, you know,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1012">16:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1012" data-t="1012">he can afford to pay them.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1014">16:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1014" data-t="1014">Well, I would argue that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1015" data-t="1015">actually,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1017" data-t="1017">Bunner has historically</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1019" data-t="1019">lowered American tax burdens.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1022" data-t="1022">Like, we've had to pay less taxes to support Ukraine because of all the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1027" data-t="1027">revenue he's generated,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1029">17:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1029" data-t="1029">taxable revenue he's generated in that country through his savvy business skills.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1034">17:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1034" data-t="1034">Right. Right. He's he's just he</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1037" data-t="1037">if you is he perfect?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1039" data-t="1039">Of course not. Who do you know anybody that's perfect? Because I don't.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1044">17:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1044" data-t="1044">I mean, I would argue Dennis Porter is probably</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1046" data-t="1046">about as close as perfect.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1048">17:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1048" data-t="1048">Well, I go without saying, of course. Of course. I'm not talking about I'm not talking about regular people.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1053" data-t="1053">And so he's not perfect, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1056" data-t="1056">if you go after him, you're gonna harm the economy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1060" data-t="1060">You're gonna cost people jobs. I mean, do you do you really wanna be the person that has to look your children, your community in the face and say that your,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1069" data-t="1069">Herschel</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1070" data-t="1070">grudges against Hunter Biden,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1072">17:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1072" data-t="1072">were worth thousands, tens of thousands of unemployed Ukrainians,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1076" data-t="1076">like, they'd are out. They need our support.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1079">17:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1079" data-t="1079">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1080" data-t="1080">Yeah. I mean, it's really important to, you know, kinda cover</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1084" data-t="1084">inconvenient</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1085" data-t="1085">truce up,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1086" data-t="1086">for national security.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1089" data-t="1089">And Right. You know, this is like one of the roles that, like, journalists play, you know, and as, you know, being also a Bitcoin podcaster, what a lot of Bitcoin podcasters</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1098">18:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1098" data-t="1098">need to understand</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1099" data-t="1099">is that credentialed universities</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1102" data-t="1102">around the country are probably gonna be giving them honorary degrees.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1106">18:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1106" data-t="1106">Right. It's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1108" data-t="1108">a lot of people, they like to talk about the value of privacy, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1113" data-t="1113">they all wanted to see how what was that? Hunter Biden's laptop.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1116" data-t="1116">And, you know, it's it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1118" data-t="1118">that's that's just hyper total hypocrisy.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1122">18:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1122" data-t="1122">Well, yeah. I mean, it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1124" data-t="1124">it's obvious that, you know, a lot of these people like Hunter Biden, you know, they'd benefit from Bitcoin meetups. They'd benefit from going and learning,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1132" data-t="1132">you know, the basics of how to operate hardware securely.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1135" data-t="1135">Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1136" data-t="1136">Like, there there's no reason why he shouldn't have been running his you know, having having encryption on his laptop, like, using a program like VeriCrypt</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1147" data-t="1147">to encrypt his hard drive so that the computer repair technician couldn't see all of his private communications.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1154">19:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1154" data-t="1154">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1156" data-t="1156">And, you know, that's one of the exciting things that, you know, we'll probably see here in the near future is, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1164" data-t="1164">I I wouldn't be surprised if, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1167" data-t="1167">Hunter Biden</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1169" data-t="1169">was seen at a Bitcoin meetup here pretty soon</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1172" data-t="1172">or somebody like,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1174">19:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1174" data-t="1174">you know, Donald Trump Junior.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1178">19:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1178" data-t="1178">You know, these various Think about this. Think about this. See,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1182" data-t="1182">what?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1184" data-t="1184">And how much</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1185" data-t="1185">value, how much benefit</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1187" data-t="1187">and literally that is it more. Right? Honestly, then Hunter Biden for Bitcoin and being an arch built. Look at what it did for JFK Junior.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1194" data-t="1194">JFK Junior was an alcoholic.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1196">19:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1196" data-t="1196">He was a sex addict. He was cheating on all of his wives.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1200" data-t="1200">He was an environmentalist.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1202" data-t="1202">He was,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1205" data-t="1205">he he saw an ad off a whale. He dropped the dead bear off because he was hammered drunk. He was the embarrassment of his family up until</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1213" data-t="1213">just two years ago.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1215" data-t="1215">And in David Bailey, Orange Pilsen,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1217">20:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1217" data-t="1217">and in two years,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1219" data-t="1219">he has become white. He's not a podcaster himself, but in two thousand twenty four, he is the most, if not the most, maybe the second most downloaded</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1230" data-t="1230">podcaster, like, podcast guest</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1233" data-t="1233">in all the podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1234" data-t="1234">especially Dave podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1236" data-t="1236">And he is, what, three weeks away from then becoming the head</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1241">20:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1241" data-t="1241">of health advice for the entire United States Of America?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1245" data-t="1245">If that is not an orange pill success story,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1248" data-t="1248">I don't know what is. If they could work for RFK Junior in his, what, sixties, seventies,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1254" data-t="1254">What did it do for your life if you're like Dylan McClure's age? But I mean, while you can you can see what it would do, Dylan McClure is now running Japanese micro strategy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1264" data-t="1264">He's not even 25 years old. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1267">21:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1267" data-t="1267">I mean, the Bitcoin podcasters have to realize, like, you know, what the future holds for them is being featured in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1274" data-t="1274">HBO documentaries</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1276" data-t="1276">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1280" data-t="1280">you know, essentially</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1282" data-t="1282">being honored as, you know, visionaries</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1285" data-t="1285">of their times.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1286">21:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1286" data-t="1286">It's gonna be bigger than just getting invited to conferences to talk.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1291" data-t="1291">Like, you know, we we</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1293" data-t="1293">I I don't think it's unreasonable to think, like, in 2028</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1296" data-t="1296">when Dennis Porter wins the presidency,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1301" data-t="1301">that we're gonna see,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1303" data-t="1303">you know, lots of podcasters</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1305">21:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1305" data-t="1305">at the inauguration,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1306" data-t="1306">you know, or even</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1308" data-t="1308">leading up to the the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1310" data-t="1310">DNC when</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1312" data-t="1312">when Dennis, you know, wins the nomination.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1318" data-t="1318">And we we have to be thinking of, like, how do we position ourselves for this</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1323">22:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1323" data-t="1323">this point? And, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1325" data-t="1325">one of the fears that I have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1329" data-t="1329">about this whole phenomenon</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1331" data-t="1331">is that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1334" data-t="1334">like, Podkoff is really gonna take over and and sink their things and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1338" data-t="1338">and have an outsized amount of influence.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1342">22:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1342" data-t="1342">That is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1344" data-t="1344">it's gonna that's gonna be an adjustment we're gonna have to make because we are used to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1350" data-t="1350">kind of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1351" data-t="1351">coalescing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1352" data-t="1352">around fighting fun,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1354" data-t="1354">you know, and telling the the legacy media to have fun stay core.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1360">22:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1360" data-t="1360">But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1361" data-t="1361">is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1364" data-t="1364">they are more difficult</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1367" data-t="1367">to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1368" data-t="1368">convince, you know, especially noobs,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1372" data-t="1372">that they're full of shit, and they're very influential</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1375">22:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1375" data-t="1375">to the mass majority. Yeah. Which is which is kinda why it's important to, you know, be the the contrarian at the meetup. Like, you know, who do you want</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1385" data-t="1385">Hunter Biden's first</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1387" data-t="1387">impression, you know, when</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1389" data-t="1389">like, you can either</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1391" data-t="1391">have Hunter Biden come into the meetup and get</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1393" data-t="1393">onboarded to using Coinbase,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1395">23:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1395" data-t="1395">or you could be the one onboarding him to use,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1399" data-t="1399">Yes. Spare Wallet. And</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1403">23:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1403" data-t="1403">He</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1404" data-t="1404">is that's a really good point. As we</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1407" data-t="1407">continue to accelerate,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1409" data-t="1409">as Bitcoin becomes bigger, as more people realize that it is already won,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1414" data-t="1414">they are going to start looking for Bitcoin meetups, and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1417" data-t="1417">they are going to have</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1420">23:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1420" data-t="1420">maybe not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1422" data-t="1422">an experienced majority, but a numbers majority.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1425" data-t="1425">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1426" data-t="1426">there's gonna be a lot of people who a lot of you know, they're they have a product to sell. They have a product to show. They have a podcast with sponsors who they have to make sales</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1436" data-t="1436">for. They're like you said, they're gonna onboard them on the Coinbase instead of Sparrow.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1440" data-t="1440">Your job</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1442">24:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1442" data-t="1442">going to a Bitcoin app, whether you have one that you go to every week or you're gonna go to a new one, your job is not to be there and make friends. It's not to to build these,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1453" data-t="1453">these buying buying relationships where you just watch college football and get drunk. Your job is to transact adversarially.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1458" data-t="1458">Your job is to be imagine</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1462" data-t="1462">your job is to be the fighter at your meetup. You want to be the predator of your meetup. You want to make sure everybody is Bitcoin, not crypto. I like shitcoin or a pod ordinals</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1472" data-t="1472">apology</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1473" data-t="1473">and keep people</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1475">24:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1475" data-t="1475">on their p's and q's. 100%.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1479" data-t="1479">Mhmm. When in when in doubt, be the predator of your local Bitcoin community, of your family.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1486">24:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1486" data-t="1486">The world the world needs more predators. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1490" data-t="1490">it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1491" data-t="1491">I don't think people understand how lucrative,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1494" data-t="1494">you know, the future like, they they think that the skills that they've been learning over the years when listening to all these podcasts aren't gonna translate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1503" data-t="1503">to anything. But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1507" data-t="1507">when you're podcasting</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1508">25:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1508" data-t="1508">and you're being noticed as kind of like a influential person in the industry,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1515" data-t="1515">We're we're gonna, you know I I don't think people understand that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1520" data-t="1520">you know, BlackRock doing this ETF</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1523" data-t="1523">and all these, you know, big</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1525" data-t="1525">financial institution behemoths that have been pillars in the industry for decades,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1532" data-t="1532">are embracing Bitcoin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1535">25:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1535" data-t="1535">Like, what that means from like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1537" data-t="1537">Yeah. This this is We have the potential</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1540" data-t="1540">yeah. Like, Hillary Clinton has made millions of dollars traveling and speaking at universities.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1545" data-t="1545">Just, like, she's not orange peeling people because she is Right. She's a she's kind of,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1553">25:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1553" data-t="1553">I think I think the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1555" data-t="1555">or</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1556" data-t="1556">from my point of view,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1558" data-t="1558">we have to look at this,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1560" data-t="1560">and it and it kinda goes into our next subject here, which is the HBO documentary about Satoshi.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1567" data-t="1567">So I'll start with that. So</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1569">26:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1569" data-t="1569">when I'm watching that that documentary,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1571" data-t="1571">and it's it's it's trying</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1573" data-t="1573">to tell me what I know, which is, hey. Yeah. Peter Todd is not a statistician.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1578" data-t="1578">But as I'm watching it with my friends, they don't they they don't listen to nearly as many Bitcoin podcasts as me. So they're a lot more</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1585" data-t="1585">susceptible</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1586" data-t="1586">to the programming or the the agenda</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1589">26:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1589" data-t="1589">of the documentary of the filmmaker.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1592" data-t="1592">And as I'm watching it,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1594" data-t="1594">I'm</span> <span class="cue" data-t="1594">immediately starting to realize it's a problem because,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1598" data-t="1598">you know, I'm I'm thirty or forty minutes in, and I'm realizing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1602" data-t="1602">this this dot HBO watch has listened to more Bitcoin podcasts than most people</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1608">26:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1608" data-t="1608">to make this documentary.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1611" data-t="1611">And they're making big they're explaining it really well. Me and my my friends, like, you've been trying to orange bill me for two and a half years, and he just explained it. You know, and HBO just explained it in twenty minutes better than you have in two years. This is actually pretty cool. I I I'm interested in this.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1626" data-t="1626">If you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1628" data-t="1628">as the yeah. If you're, like, the only podcaster at your meetup, you're gonna be looked up to people who are gonna see you as, like, an influential authority. And if somebody like BlackRock shows up or a Fed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1638" data-t="1638">or,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1639" data-t="1639">you know, some some company who's who's got nefarious motives,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1643">27:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1643" data-t="1643">and they're listening to more Bitcoin podcasts than you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1646" data-t="1646">and they they can explain Bitcoin better than you, and they make it more easy to use and accessible</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1652" data-t="1652">than you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1653" data-t="1653">Well, whatever they're selling,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1655" data-t="1655">your friends and your community is gonna buy because they're better salesmen, they're better orange pillars than you. And the last thing you wanna do</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1662" data-t="1662">is be a king of your, you know, the team orange pillar of your community.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1666">27:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1666" data-t="1666">And, you know, and you'd be it's like getting fired as the CEO of your the company you founded. He founded a big play meet up in the BlackRock,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1674" data-t="1674">takes over and becomes the president.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1676" data-t="1676">That's got a that that's a risk.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1678">27:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1678" data-t="1678">Yeah. I mean, one of the questions I have, I I found the documentary</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1683" data-t="1683">enjoyable. I think it did a good job of Orange Pilling, the the viewer, but I was,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1689" data-t="1689">you know, surprised</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1691" data-t="1691">that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1692" data-t="1692">one, there's you know, they talked about El Salvador, and yet again, this is just an example of another media source that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1699" data-t="1699">refuses to acknowledge</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1701">28:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1701" data-t="1701">how North Korea has embraced Bitcoin and was the original Bitcoin country,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1706" data-t="1706">and Kim Jong Un was the original Bitcoin president.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1711" data-t="1711">I think probably</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1713" data-t="1713">some of that had to do with Samsung, Mao's influence.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1718" data-t="1718">It was interesting you because, like, last episode, we talked about how Blockstream was using the documentary as as kind of a native marketing attempt to get</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1727" data-t="1727">Adam back,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1729">28:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1729" data-t="1729">seen as Satoshi.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1731" data-t="1731">And while, you know, that a lot of that happens,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1735" data-t="1735">and I think people are looking at Liquid</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1738" data-t="1738">a little bit more seriously</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1740">28:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1740" data-t="1740">after viewing this. Yeah. I saw I saw I saw something that their website,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1745" data-t="1745">v like, download or visits</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1747" data-t="1747">went from, like, 14 or 15 a day, and it was it was almost a 100 a day for the first week, you know, since since the documentary came out.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1756">29:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1756" data-t="1756">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1759" data-t="1759">While that happened, you know, I'm kind of curious if</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1763" data-t="1763">there was a geopolitical</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1764" data-t="1764">strategy here,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1766" data-t="1766">to try and destabilize</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1768" data-t="1768">North Korea.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1770">29:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1770" data-t="1770">And that's why, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1773" data-t="1773">potentially, the CIA</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1774" data-t="1774">wants people to believe that Peter Todd is Satoshi</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1778" data-t="1778">to, like, try and take credit for Bitcoin as a way to undermine Kim Jong Un.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1783">29:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1783" data-t="1783">Yeah. Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1784" data-t="1784">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1785" data-t="1785">here's why I agree with you or why I think that I I agree with this theory</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1790" data-t="1790">because there's a lot of Ukraine connections.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1793" data-t="1793">So what did,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1794" data-t="1794">you know,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1795">29:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1795" data-t="1795">the big, you know, destabilizing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1797" data-t="1797">force,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1799" data-t="1799">foreign policy for the past few years</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1801" data-t="1801">And, you know, kind of the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1804" data-t="1804">the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1805" data-t="1805">what could get it off? I mean,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1807">30:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1807" data-t="1807">the beginning of the bear market, the beginning of Bitcoin crashing in early two thousand twenty two was Ukraine instigating Russia and do attacking.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1816" data-t="1816">And then, you know, Peter Todd's very vocal. He's been in Ukraine a lot of this year. He knows what he's doing, who he's working with, but there's a lot of Bitcoin in Ukraine.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1824" data-t="1824">Like, now,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1827" data-t="1827">and it's, you know, a connection with Peter Todd</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1830" data-t="1830">is trying to instigate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1832" data-t="1832">North Korea into invading South Korea.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1835">30:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1835" data-t="1835">Yep. And who knows what's gonna come from that? Yeah. I mean, we're we're in very precarious times, and I don't think HBO realized how how much they're playing with Friar. Maybe they did.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1847" data-t="1847">But the last time that, you know, Hollywood kinda got involved with the affairs of North Korea, it ended up in some pretty massive cyberattacks</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1855" data-t="1855">that were,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1858" data-t="1858">disruptive for, you know, companies like Sony.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1861" data-t="1861">And this one this one seems to be a little bit worse than the way that they portrayed,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1868" data-t="1868">and and I forgot what the movie was called that, Sony did.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1874">31:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1874" data-t="1874">Mhmm. I don't know why the</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1876">31:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1876" data-t="1876">something weird or whatever.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1878">31:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1878" data-t="1878">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1881" data-t="1881">But, yeah, Eun for for decades</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1884" data-t="1884">now</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1885" data-t="1885">has been telling</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1886" data-t="1886">the people of North Korea</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1889" data-t="1889">that</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1891">31:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1891" data-t="1891">he indeed was Satoshi,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1894" data-t="1894">that he's he's solved the Byzantine general's problem,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1901" data-t="1901">and the double spend problem.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1904" data-t="1904">And the North Korean people have been utilizing Bitcoin under the assumption that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1911" data-t="1911">that's true, that they can trust it. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1914" data-t="1914">North Koreans have a very deep trust from Western intelligence agencies,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1919">31:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1919" data-t="1919">you know, as a result of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1921" data-t="1921">you know, their experience with America during the Korean War.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1925">32:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1925" data-t="1925">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1927" data-t="1927">Yeah. They</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1929" data-t="1929">I I think all of that is part of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1931" data-t="1931">what I would simplify it down to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1934" data-t="1934">is North Koreans</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1936" data-t="1936">under Kim Jong</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1938">32:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1938" data-t="1938">un had been told</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1939" data-t="1939">that since the Korean War armistice</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1943" data-t="1943">that he is, you know, not only is he Satoshi, but since the Korean War</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1947" data-t="1947">progresses,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1948" data-t="1948">North Korea controls</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1951" data-t="1951">51</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1952">32:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1952" data-t="1952">of the Korean Peninsula. And at the thirty eight parallel, the the border between the two countries</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1958" data-t="1958">is situated such that exactly 51%</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1961" data-t="1961">of the land</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1962" data-t="1962">of the Korean Peninsula is north of that line.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1966" data-t="1966">In fact, it's the it's not true.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1969" data-t="1969">It's actually the other way. South Korea has 51% control.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1973">32:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1973" data-t="1973">And now they find this out along with the fact that Kim Jong Un is not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1979" data-t="1979">the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1982" data-t="1982">the most</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1983" data-t="1983">respected cipher of all time.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1985" data-t="1985">And now the hackers that have been</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1988" data-t="1988">following this, they thought was Satoshi</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1991">33:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1991" data-t="1991">becoming some of the best hackers and intelligence,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1995" data-t="1995">evaders and CIA,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1997" data-t="1997">you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1999" data-t="1999">know, mercenaries.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2001" data-t="2001">Now they're questioning everything, and it's if things are just breaking apart at the seams, they have they they essentially, he's desperate. He's gonna he he may make it desperate to move because he's desperate to invade power. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2014">33:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2014" data-t="2014">I mean, what would be really scary is if he actually is Satoshi and if he moved his coins,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2020" data-t="2020">how detrimental that could be.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2023">33:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2023" data-t="2023">Right. Like like, what if he just decides to launch</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2027" data-t="2027">a giant transaction</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2029" data-t="2029">to sell 1,000,000 Bitcoin at once? Like, the whole world could be brought to its knees.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2034" data-t="2034">You know, he's he's he's threatened to do things that would disrupt commerce and and make the economy,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2040" data-t="2040">at risk in the past. He's like, you know, he's threatened to even use missiles</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2044" data-t="2044">to, to to disrupt the economy.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2047">34:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2047" data-t="2047">Yeah. That's the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2049" data-t="2049">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2050" data-t="2050">a doomsday button.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2052" data-t="2052">All he has to do is is assign the transaction and broadcast it from his note.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2057">34:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2057" data-t="2057">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2058" data-t="2058">I mean, we're what we're talking about here is we're talking about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2063" data-t="2063">a guy that understands Bitcoin. He understands game theory.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2070" data-t="2070">He has used Bitcoin for a long time. He has trained his citizenry</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2075" data-t="2075">to be some of the most effective cypherpunks in the world,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2080" data-t="2080">that are very knowledgeable on using Bitcoin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2083">34:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2083" data-t="2083">And he also is vindictive</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2085" data-t="2085">like Craig Wright is.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2087" data-t="2087">And so, you know, Craig Wright</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2091" data-t="2091">essentially</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2092" data-t="2092">attempted to to kinda neuter the and take over the Bitcoin podcast industry through, you know, lawsuits</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2099" data-t="2099">over people that, you know, deny that he was Satoshi and Un might be willing to launch nuclear weapons or invade</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2108">35:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2108" data-t="2108">South Korea. So we're we're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2110" data-t="2110">it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2111" data-t="2111">it's just it's incredible the amount of geopolitics</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2116" data-t="2116">the level geopolitics</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2117" data-t="2117">that, you know, is at play here that a Bitcoin documentary</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2121" data-t="2121">could have the ability to to destabilize</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2124">35:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2124" data-t="2124">an entire region, if not the world. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2127">35:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2127" data-t="2127">Well, you know, despite</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2129" data-t="2129">the potential,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2132" data-t="2132">underlying sigh</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2134" data-t="2134">behind making that documentary,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2136" data-t="2136">it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2137" data-t="2137">was</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2138">35:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2138" data-t="2138">honestly,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2139" data-t="2139">I I I really enjoyed it, and I think it's worth watching.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2143" data-t="2143">The only</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2145" data-t="2145">other complaint</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2146" data-t="2146">that we haven't talked about yet that I have about that is, you know, I thought people would have learned after Vlad,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2153" data-t="2153">Kostya had Roger Ver on his podcast.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2156">35:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2156" data-t="2156">Roger Ver is a stammer.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2158" data-t="2158">I'm disappointed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2159" data-t="2159">that the documentary filmmaker for HBO,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2162" data-t="2162">Colin Haldac,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2163" data-t="2163">disappointed that he platformed Roger Vare.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2166" data-t="2166">But</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2167">36:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2167" data-t="2167">I am I am</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2170" data-t="2170">glad that he at least</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2173" data-t="2173">noted that Roger Ver is in jail for his scams,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2176" data-t="2176">now, but I just wish he wouldn't have had him on there at all.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2180">36:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2180" data-t="2180">Well, that was, like, a really interesting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2183" data-t="2183">thing to even include him in the documentary, and I'm kinda glad that they did because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2188" data-t="2188">people need to see that even OG Bitcoiners,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2193" data-t="2193">can have trouble affording their taxes.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2196">36:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2196" data-t="2196">Right. Like, that's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2197" data-t="2197">it's kinda, like, shocking. Yeah. I think when it says it's not being able to afford the taxes, and but it's an asterisk.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2204" data-t="2204">It's if you if you manage it wisely.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2209" data-t="2209">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2211" data-t="2211">I'm glad that they did also, I would add,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2213" data-t="2213">because it it's important for people who are unfamiliar with the space to understand how annoying,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2220">37:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2220" data-t="2220">and why any shitcoiners are. And I think Roger Barry is a great example of that. I agree.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2227">37:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2227" data-t="2227">Yeah. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2229" data-t="2229">most religions, you know, struggle with false prophets. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2233" data-t="2233">And you kinda need somebody to exist to ensure there's, like, an effective canon.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2239" data-t="2239">And while, you know, Roger Ver was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2243" data-t="2243">you know, played an important</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2245" data-t="2245">role in, you know, Bitcoin's</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2248">37:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2248" data-t="2248">history.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2250" data-t="2250">He is what I would identify</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2251" data-t="2251">as</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2252" data-t="2252">a false prophet.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2254" data-t="2254">Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2255">37:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2255" data-t="2255">Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2259" data-t="2259">everybody knows that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2261" data-t="2261">in Bitcoin, if it was Christianity,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2264" data-t="2264">that Jesus was Satoshi.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2267" data-t="2267">He made the ultimate sacrifice</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2268" data-t="2268">of of of destroying</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2271">37:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2271" data-t="2271">his his self, his ego, and his and his keys.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2276" data-t="2276">But Roger Ver claimed, you know, beat Bitcoin Jesus.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2281" data-t="2281">And that was it really turned out to be, you know well, it depends. Some people think that Satoshi is at him back.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2287" data-t="2287">Roger Ver tried to stab the small blockers and Blockstream in the back with Bitcoin Cash. So, you know, ironically, and I'm not the first person to say this, but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2296" data-t="2296">Roger Ver is actually Bitcoin Judas. I agree.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2301" data-t="2301">Do you think that there is a percentage?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2304">38:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2304" data-t="2304">Would you call</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2305" data-t="2305">it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2307" data-t="2307">the possibility</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2308" data-t="2308">that Piercon is Satoshi and that the documentary</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2311" data-t="2311">was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2313" data-t="2313">onto it? And even if not perfectly correct, they were close.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2316">38:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2316" data-t="2316">Well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2317" data-t="2317">I mean, I think, like, a lot of people struggle with the idea of Peter Todd being Satoshi. I think it's in the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2324" data-t="2324">the realm of possibility,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2328" data-t="2328">but I think it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2329" data-t="2329">kind of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2331" data-t="2331">unlikely.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2333">38:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2333" data-t="2333">And the reason why I believe this is because I've listened to so many Bitcoin podcasts, and that's what everybody on the Bitcoin podcast, you know, says.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2342" data-t="2342">But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2344" data-t="2344">I I think the the community at large is pretty,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2349" data-t="2349">concerned</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2351" data-t="2351">that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2352" data-t="2352">this could be true because it would mean that Satoshi wasn't as based</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2358">39:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2358" data-t="2358">as we thought he was,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2360" data-t="2360">which</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2361" data-t="2361">is kind of concerning because, you know, unfortunately, Peter Todd is not that based. Like, he doesn't</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2367">39:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2367" data-t="2367">Right. He doesn't really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2369" data-t="2369">there's a lot of there's a lot of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2372" data-t="2372">there's a lot of things or flaws</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2375" data-t="2375">that I think if people found out that Satoshi had, they could forgive them. Because that'd be like I said earlier, nobody's perfect.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2383" data-t="2383">And if Satoshi was cringe,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2385" data-t="2385">that would be kind of a a letdown.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2388">39:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2388" data-t="2388">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2389" data-t="2389">I mean, I think, you know, this this isn't hyperbolic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2393" data-t="2393">to kinda compare,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2396" data-t="2396">RBF to abortion,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2399" data-t="2399">because you're essentially aborting your Bitcoin transaction.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2402" data-t="2402">And, like,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2403">40:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2403" data-t="2403">a lot</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2405" data-t="2405">of a lot of Bitcoiners</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2406" data-t="2406">consider,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2407" data-t="2407">you know, a valid transaction</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2409" data-t="2409">from inception.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2411" data-t="2411">Like, the second that</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2413">40:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2413" data-t="2413">the second that it goes into the mempool.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2416">40:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2416" data-t="2416">Yeah. John Convolo is a great example. He was he fought very hard, I guess, RBF</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2421" data-t="2421">because,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2422" data-t="2422">like you said, a transaction begins at the broadcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2426" data-t="2426">Yeah. And, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2428" data-t="2428">I see,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2430" data-t="2430">like, a scenario where</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2431">40:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2431" data-t="2431">maybe I I I fucked something up and I owe I I spent all my Bitcoin because I I fat fingered something,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2437" data-t="2437">and my life would be ruined if I accidentally gave up all my or, like, made all of the the transaction fee, like, all the rest of my Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2446" data-t="2446">Like, if I notice that within the first ten seconds or the first few minutes,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2450" data-t="2450">I mean, I I did I could replace that fee. I could abort that transaction.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2455" data-t="2455">Okay. But if I mean, if it's then if it's on everybody's node, it's it's almost about to be included into a block. It's in the template.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2464" data-t="2464">Somebody is close to you know, a pool is close to fucking finding that nonce.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2469">41:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2469" data-t="2469">And right in the last second, right before it's confirmed,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2472" data-t="2472">you decide to terminate the transaction.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2474" data-t="2474">I don't know if I find that to be</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2478">41:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2478" data-t="2478">ethical. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, abortion is one of the the most</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2484" data-t="2484">controversial</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2485" data-t="2485">topics</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2486" data-t="2486">in America right now.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2488" data-t="2488">You know, people are finding it. It's gonna it's gonna swing their election vote probably more than Bitcoin will,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2496" data-t="2496">which is,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2497">41:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2497" data-t="2497">Right. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2499" data-t="2499">if you're if you're not sure how to feel about it,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2502" data-t="2502">just find</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2504" data-t="2504">work devs who share your values. Like, Lou Lou Dash, he is a Catholic, but he supports, transaction abortion. So, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2512" data-t="2512">find somebody and and learn their position</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2515" data-t="2515">and, you know, but make your own</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2518">41:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2518" data-t="2518">make your own do your own research, but make your own conclusions.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2522" data-t="2522">Yeah. Mhmm. Yep.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2524">42:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2524" data-t="2524">I don't know. I assume there's some pretty interesting stuff,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2527" data-t="2527">that was covered, and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2532" data-t="2532">I I think the fact that HBO is reporting on it at all just shows that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2539" data-t="2539">you know, Bitcoin has won.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2542" data-t="2542">But, you know, I think one of the key takeaways</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2545" data-t="2545">that I took</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2546">42:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2546" data-t="2546">from the documentary</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2548" data-t="2548">was that they they seem to portray</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2551" data-t="2551">Bitcoiners,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2552" data-t="2552">Bitcoin podcast listeners as cool.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2555" data-t="2555">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2557" data-t="2557">we're starting to see that, you know, with the orange wedding, with, you know, these monumental,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2563">42:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2563" data-t="2563">kind of shifts with the HBO document, we're starting to see that Bitcoin podcast listeners</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2569" data-t="2569">are no longer the ones that people make fun of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2572" data-t="2572">at the parties.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2573" data-t="2573">You know, they're they're not the people that that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2577" data-t="2577">you know, people make jokes about about being annoying or being</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2581" data-t="2581">talking about Bitcoin too much. You know, they're starting to listen because they're starting to see,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2587">43:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2587" data-t="2587">you know, Bitcoin really is the feature. Exactly. Exactly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2592" data-t="2592">You know, in Jeopardy, people are not gonna</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2595" data-t="2595">they're not gonna go for bitches in the future. They're gonna understand Bitcoin is the future. I like that. Well, you know, the Trump family,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2605" data-t="2605">is kind of a confusing one to me.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2607" data-t="2607">I,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2609" data-t="2609">you know, in in some ways, they're based,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2612">43:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2612" data-t="2612">especially Don Junior.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2613" data-t="2613">He, he's really taken</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2616" data-t="2616">it upon himself to try and, you know, be the most based</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2620" data-t="2620">of the of the Trump family.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2624" data-t="2624">We're we're seeing them,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2628" data-t="2628">like, Donald Trump kinda</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2630">43:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2630" data-t="2630">try to operate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2633" data-t="2633">in a dice dynastic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2634" data-t="2634">manner. Like, he's trying to set up his kids for success. He's trying to make sure they don't turn into fail songs. Mhmm.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2641" data-t="2641">And in that way, he seems to have very low time preference, but at the same time, he's launching shitcoins. It's it's like Heimkall</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2649">44:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2649" data-t="2649">makes messages.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2651" data-t="2651">One</span> <span class="cue" data-t="2651">day, he can say nothing wrong. The next day, he can say nothing right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2659" data-t="2659">And you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2660" data-t="2660">some people get, you know, ahead of themselves. They're they're tempted and they and they they get they fall for, you know, a good day, and they they kinda tie their identity to supporting him. And then he embarrasses them with shitcoins the next day.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2674">44:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2674" data-t="2674">Well, I I've got a theory on it, which is, you know, Donald Trump has been a real estate mogul his whole life.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2682" data-t="2682">And, you know, as</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2683" data-t="2683">a full time podcast listener,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2686" data-t="2686">our you know, our audience will understand that real estate's a shit coin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2691">44:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2691" data-t="2691">Right.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2692">44:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2692" data-t="2692">So he made his enormous wealth</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2694" data-t="2694">shit coining.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2696" data-t="2696">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2698" data-t="2698">you know, he's he's figured out what Bitcoin is. He's trying to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2703" data-t="2703">set up his</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2704" data-t="2704">family for intergenerational</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2706">45:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2706" data-t="2706">wealth. But, like, realistically,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2708" data-t="2708">the only</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2709" data-t="2709">valuable skill set that he has is shitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2713" data-t="2713">Right. And so I wonder if Yeah. Him launching these tokens and, you know, being involved in the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2719" data-t="2719">with the shitcoining is just his way of trying to acquire more Bitcoin. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2724">45:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2724" data-t="2724">Or, you know, we could be forced to face the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2728" data-t="2728">the fact that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2729" data-t="2729">it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2730" data-t="2730">he said in his ways, he can't change,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2733" data-t="2733">and it fit it and it forces us to to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2736" data-t="2736">question</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2738">45:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2738" data-t="2738">our strategy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2739" data-t="2739">Like when we have a friend,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2741" data-t="2741">there's a really high time preference and we know he's kind of stupid and we can arch villain really easily,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2747" data-t="2747">but just because of his</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2750" data-t="2750">propensity, it's almost like being an addict. Somebody easily gets addicted. You can't get him one cigarette,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2756" data-t="2756">unless you, you know,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2757">45:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2757" data-t="2757">you're prepared for him to to become addicted for Russ' life. It's like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2762" data-t="2762">if you were to put Trump, there's just no way around. It Chick fil A.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2767">46:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2767" data-t="2767">Well, you know, people don't get addicted</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2770" data-t="2770">to people don't get addicted to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2773" data-t="2773">cigarettes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2775" data-t="2775">It's just like I think that's like a misunderstanding.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2777" data-t="2777">That's like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2779" data-t="2779">what they're getting addicted to is their brains functioning</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2782">46:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2782" data-t="2782">at a normal level.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2784" data-t="2784">And, like</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2786">46:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2786" data-t="2786">But then sometimes people go on to smoke pipe tobacco. And that's like, now you're now</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2792" data-t="2792">you you give somebody some of the cigarettes, you think they're gonna be cool, and then they show up to the party, and they embarrass you because they're smoking pipe. Like, they think they're Dick Tracy. Yeah. Yeah. It's just,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2802">46:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2802" data-t="2802">I don't know. Like, a bit I feel like most Americans, their brains don't work properly. Right? Like, they Right. There's these issues with these they call them mental disorders,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2813" data-t="2813">you know, where, like, people are, like, so afraid that climate change</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2818" data-t="2818">is coming for them</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2822" data-t="2822">that wow. This is a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2823" data-t="2823">rabbit hole that we could get in,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2826" data-t="2826">for sure, which is,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2829">47:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2829" data-t="2829">I was just about to tell the audience about this rabbit hole</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2834" data-t="2834">of, you know, the weather manipulation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2835" data-t="2835">and the the Yeah. Politics happening right now around climate change.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2840" data-t="2840">We saw</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2841" data-t="2841">some of that happen this week. There was another hurricane in Florida.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2847" data-t="2847">There's some</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2849">47:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2849" data-t="2849">interesting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2850" data-t="2850">stuff happening in in Tampa with a guy in a sailboat.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2855">47:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2855" data-t="2855">Yeah. Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2859" data-t="2859">I gotta tell you, it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2861" data-t="2861">it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2862" data-t="2862">it's hard to know</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2864" data-t="2864">what to think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2866" data-t="2866">again because it's you hear so many</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2869">47:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2869" data-t="2869">theories</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2870" data-t="2870">and then you see so many</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2872" data-t="2872">theories that that fall apart.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2876" data-t="2876">They say that they talk about this hurricane and what caused it. And then they say it's gonna be really bad. It's gonna be hurt to a degree five and then it hits Tampa. It doesn't even</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2885" data-t="2885">it's funny that it's like barely</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2887" data-t="2887">day. Like, the demon on the boats arrive. You know what I mean? It's like everybody freaked out,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2891">48:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2891" data-t="2891">and they didn't have to freak out. Well, I wonder if climate change made this, hurricane less</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2898" data-t="2898">impactful</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2900" data-t="2900">because that's, like, one of the the things that's unfortunate about climate change is it doesn't it doesn't go both ways. It doesn't just create catastrophes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2909" data-t="2909">in the sense of, you know, making the the weather worse, but it also,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2913" data-t="2913">at times, makes the weather significantly better.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2917">48:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2917" data-t="2917">Right. Yeah. Like his state, you did</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2920" data-t="2920">75 degree days</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2922" data-t="2922">in New York City in January.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2924" data-t="2924">And it's it's kind of hard</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2927" data-t="2927">to rally support</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2929" data-t="2929">to pay higher taxes</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2931">48:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2931" data-t="2931">to make it colder in New York City in January.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2934" data-t="2934">I mean, it's higher. It's crazy. Like, he wants to be like, yeah. I wanna do that.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2941">49:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2941" data-t="2941">But, yeah. I don't know. The the weather manipulation is definitely a topic we'll have to look more into.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2948" data-t="2948">I mean, you could you could, to some degree, argue that smoking is a form of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2954" data-t="2954">weather manipulation because you're essentially putting carbon into the the environment,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2960" data-t="2960">which,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2962" data-t="2962">you know, makes the trees healthier.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2964">49:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2964" data-t="2964">Right. Right. And it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2967" data-t="2967">or is all of it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2969" data-t="2969">a sign up to ban Bitcoin mining? That that is a very interesting theory.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2977">49:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2977" data-t="2977">Yeah. Are we falling you know, are people falling for it? It yeah. I don't know. I mean, this is why the world needs Dennis Porter. You know? They need to understand that, Bitcoin mining is the only thing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2987" data-t="2987">keeping renewable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2989" data-t="2989">energy alive other other than your tax dollars.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2993" data-t="2993">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2994" data-t="2994">this is like the free market opportunity to fix</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2997" data-t="2997">the fix the climate change. Like, you know, Bitcoin mining and Bitcoin in general</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3003">50:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3003" data-t="3003">will ensure that Al Gore will never make another climate documentary.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3008" data-t="3008">And that is something I think the world needs and wants.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3012">50:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3012" data-t="3012">You know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3013" data-t="3013">I don't you know, maybe we'll leave it to save this for a discussion for another day, but I because I haven't thought enough about it, but I heard somebody say the other day that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3023" data-t="3023">Dennis Porter is bad because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3026" data-t="3026">someday the the CIA is gonna use all the selfies he took with politicians to blackmail those politicians.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3032" data-t="3032">But I didn't understand what they meant. Like, I don't understand why having a selfie with Dennis Porter would be could be used as blackmail. Yeah. I mean, I can understand</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3040">50:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3040" data-t="3040">why taking a selfie of Samson now</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3044" data-t="3044">could be viewed as blackmail because he he does have a tendency to wear Tethr t shirts</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3049" data-t="3049">at inopportune times.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3051" data-t="3051">And just being associated with that could</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3056" data-t="3056">be, kinda rough, especially if you're in the compliance</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3059" data-t="3059">ecosystem</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3060">50:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3060" data-t="3060">because,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3061" data-t="3061">I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3062" data-t="3062">think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3063" data-t="3063">like, you know, if you're ever trying to, like, work with Coinbase in the future or Circle or these PayPal, these</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3069" data-t="3069">groups of competing stablecoins,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3072" data-t="3072">they might not look too kindly on the on the market competition of you being affiliated with Samsung. Right. It'd be like</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3081">51:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3081" data-t="3081">you you might have a really good name or you might have a really good post on Twitter. And then, like, you know, when somebody like when Elon Musk makes a good point and somebody puts,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3089" data-t="3089">replies with a picture of him and Diddy,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3092" data-t="3092">you know, it's like he you might be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3097" data-t="3097">you might make a really good point or you might</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3099" data-t="3099">have be celebrating a big success for your company or your podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3103" data-t="3103">And if somebody reminds you, you know, two years ago, you took a selfie with Samsung now and you it looks like you're supporting Tether. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3111">51:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3111" data-t="3111">And I think, like, you know, Tether has kind of been a little bit of a Trojan horse for the industry of, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3118" data-t="3118">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3119" data-t="3119">presenting this idea of using dollars to make Bitcoin stronger.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3123">52:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3123" data-t="3123">It's like it's like, this is the easiest way to get Bitcoin into into this community.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3128" data-t="3128">Yep. And then as soon as you do, two seconds later,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3131" data-t="3131">you know, USDT comes flooding out. And that's just that's what everybody's using.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3137">52:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3137" data-t="3137">I mean, Tether,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3139" data-t="3139">Tether ruined Pacific Bitcoin. They,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3142" data-t="3142">almost canceled the orange wedding.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3145">52:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3145" data-t="3145">You know, they I mean, Europe kicked them out for their I mean, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3149" data-t="3149">Europe is like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3151" data-t="3151">these people are worse than the gypsies.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3153" data-t="3153">We're kicking them out. So where is you know, what's USDT? What's TADA gonna do now?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3158" data-t="3158">They're gonna have to focus harder</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3160" data-t="3160">on the global South and on The United States.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3163">52:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3163" data-t="3163">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3165" data-t="3165">I mean, you're you're a pretty big market, and, that that definitely was,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3171">52:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3171" data-t="3171">Yeah. Europeans are terrified of volatility.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3174" data-t="3174">They are just they they it's like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3176" data-t="3176">you're a meal, like, an anxious dog. Like, it just shakes and you you you you need to, like, move the muscle. It fucking flinches and it runs off.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3183" data-t="3183">It's, you know, the idea of volatility or, like, a difficult</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3188" data-t="3188">decision</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3189" data-t="3189">or a risky decision. Europeans just raised the white flag like like the French in the '19 during World War two,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3196">53:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3196" data-t="3196">Which doesn't make sense to me. They love stable coins.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3200">53:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3200" data-t="3200">It doesn't make sense to me because Europeans</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3204" data-t="3204">should be based because they they tend to consume cigarettes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3208" data-t="3208">much more than, you know, Americans in some extent.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3214">53:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3214" data-t="3214">I love they're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3216" data-t="3216">they're most</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3219" data-t="3219">based. The people who smoke the most cigarettes, they, unfortunately,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3225" data-t="3225">you know, they all were sent to die in war against Russia. All the only people that are left behind are people who</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3232" data-t="3232">are like, hey,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3234" data-t="3234">don't</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3235">53:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3235" data-t="3235">don't talk with me. I'll use your custodial</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3237" data-t="3237">solution.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3238" data-t="3238">I'll hide the negative negative yielding bonds.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3242">54:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3242" data-t="3242">Well, I wonder it'd be interesting to get kinda like the rates of, like, how many,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3248" data-t="3248">Europeans have transitioned.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3250" data-t="3250">Like, you know, they they've taken it upon themselves to, you know, implement these very strict climate policies. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3257" data-t="3257">And I wonder if, you know, part of the issue</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3261" data-t="3261">of why Europe is full of such betas</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3266" data-t="3266">is that they transitioned away from cigarettes to vapes to try and be more climate cautious.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3272">54:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3272" data-t="3272">Here's what I think it is. I need</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3274" data-t="3274">I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3276" data-t="3276">nobody in Europe has an air conditioner.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3279" data-t="3279">And they, like, if you've, there was a sea wave, quote unquote,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3283" data-t="3283">in England this summer, and the peep people were passing it out and just, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3288" data-t="3288">miserable.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3289">54:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3289" data-t="3289">And it was the equivalent of, like, 72</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3292" data-t="3292">degrees Fahrenheit in England.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3294" data-t="3294">They are so afraid of climate change because they don't have air conditioners. They need air conditioning. Yeah. Well, I don't wanna get too bummed out talking about Europe.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3304">55:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3304" data-t="3304">Because,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3305">55:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3305" data-t="3305">I don't know. Because I think they're the Bitcoin miners, you know?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3308">55:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3308" data-t="3308">We don't we don't wanna spend too much time punching down. You know what I mean? Right. Right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3314" data-t="3314">Alright. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3315" data-t="3315">why before we transition to the boost, so I wanted to talk about our performance on Fountain or, sorry, not Fountain and Wavelake over the last couple of weeks.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3324">55:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3324" data-t="3324">I mean, it's that's that's another that's my reason we forgot to mention to be bullish at the top of the podcast.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3331">55:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3331" data-t="3331">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3332" data-t="3332">Yeah. So the people's been dominating</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3334" data-t="3334">Wave Lake. So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3336" data-t="3336">my song, typical politician,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3338" data-t="3338">has been trending number one for six days.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3343" data-t="3343">Your song, Girls on Spaces,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3345">55:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3345" data-t="3345">has hit a resurgence.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3348">55:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3348" data-t="3348">And Penalties that you played at Pueblab.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3351">55:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3351" data-t="3351">Getting played at Pueblab. It got posted on Stacker News. It started trending again. It got to number two.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3358" data-t="3358">At the time of recording, it's currently at number four.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3363">56:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3363" data-t="3363">Well, thank you guys for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3366" data-t="3366">for helping me follow</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3367" data-t="3367">Matt O'Dell's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3370" data-t="3370">advice of staying humble because you guys have been humbling me with your,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3375" data-t="3375">appreciation from, for our music.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3378" data-t="3378">And before we get to the booths, I will finish your thing with Waley. But after you do go into the Rabbit Hole recap conversation.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3384">56:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3384" data-t="3384">Yeah. Yeah. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3387" data-t="3387">Rabbit Hole recap was, talking about our our musical skills. They were talking about,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3393" data-t="3393">you know, the bugle's impact on the industry. They were talking about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3397" data-t="3397">what we got got going on. And, you know, the exciting thing about the way that we do our journalism</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3404" data-t="3404">is that any sort of reach and success that we have is because of our audience.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3409">56:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3409" data-t="3409">A 100%.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3412">56:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3412" data-t="3412">So, you know, the fact the way that you trend on Wavellike is essentially you have your audience members,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3420" data-t="3420">boosting. The way that you trend on founders. You have your audience boosting. The way that you Mhmm.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3427" data-t="3427">Like, trend on the Oster is you get people engaging with, you know, your posts, whether it be zapping or or sharing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3436" data-t="3436">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3437" data-t="3437">it's very different than, you know, the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3439" data-t="3439">the kinda like PodCon fiat way</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3442">57:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3442" data-t="3442">of doing podcasting. So I'd I'd just like to say a big thank you to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3447" data-t="3447">our audience and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3449" data-t="3449">you know, just say that, you know, we're being recognized</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3452" data-t="3452">as the most credentialed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3453" data-t="3453">podcasters,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3454" data-t="3454">journalists in the industry.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3458">57:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3458" data-t="3458">Like, the the PodConf circuit is seeing us. And I think they're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3465" data-t="3465">they're recognizing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3466" data-t="3466">us as equals, but it's only because of our audience. We don't have Yeah. It's a grassroots grassroots movement.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3473" data-t="3473">Yeah. Well, I mean, we don't have sponsors to to pump us and kill us, you know, and,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3479">57:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3479" data-t="3479">throw money at us. It's all it's all valid. By or or or or one sponsor we had for, like, two episodes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3485" data-t="3485">did not work out, thankfully.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3487" data-t="3487">Blessing in disguise. But they're they're like an anti sponsor. They're costing us money.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3493">58:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3493" data-t="3493">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3494" data-t="3494">And, yeah, at the same time, like, I I think, like, they're they're showing to our audience</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3499" data-t="3499">why</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3500" data-t="3500">our our journalism is valuable,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3504" data-t="3504">because people are hungry for an alternative to Podkoff. They they want something interesting. They want something more meaningful.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3512" data-t="3512">They,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3513">58:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3513" data-t="3513">you know, have have listened to Anthony Popliano for years</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3517" data-t="3517">and just have gotten, you know, tired of the the shilling. They want they want</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3523" data-t="3523">objective</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3524" data-t="3524">journalism,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3525" data-t="3525">that only, you know, those with a bachelor's degree,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3530">58:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3530" data-t="3530">can offer. 100%. 100%. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3533" data-t="3533">honestly,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3534" data-t="3534">like I've said in the past,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3536" data-t="3536">we might have to see other people, and there are, you know, underworld misfits as a is is part of the intellectual silk road and part of this movement.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3545" data-t="3545">Radio is another one.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3547" data-t="3547">And but we need you join us. Join us in this in this movement and as being this alternative.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3553">59:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3553" data-t="3553">And if</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3555" data-t="3555">you can have feedback,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3557" data-t="3557">let us know how we can improve.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3559" data-t="3559">But I I think better than feedback is to just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3562" data-t="3562">be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3564" data-t="3564">the, you know, alternative out there that</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3568">59:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3568" data-t="3568">makes us versus us to stay on top of our game so that we can put out content</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3573" data-t="3573">as valuable and as interesting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3575" data-t="3575">as when you put out. That is starting to, like I say, a million times, there can never be too many Bitcoin podcasts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3582" data-t="3582">The the time lifts all boats. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3585">59:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3585" data-t="3585">I mean, people people have a choice on what their what they want the future to look like. Do they want</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3591" data-t="3591">it to be ruled by HR departments? Do they want it to be determined by those who don't smoke cigarettes?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3600" data-t="3600">Or do they really want</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3602" data-t="3602">something brighter? You know? When I think of the bright orange feature,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3606" data-t="3606">you know, it's not just about people interacting with Bitcoin. But as you can notice,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3613" data-t="3613">you know, when you're smoking at night,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3615">1:00:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3615" data-t="3615">the the tip of your cigarette lights up all orange.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3618" data-t="3618">And imagine</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3620" data-t="3620">there being a million</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3622" data-t="3622">smokers standing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3624" data-t="3624">in a field,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3628" data-t="3628">all</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3629">1:00:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3629" data-t="3629">with their cigarettes lit in the middle of the night, the the orange glow that would come off that field. Like, that's what I want you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3636" data-t="3636">to recognize and to realize that, like, Podkoff just does not offer that.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3641">1:00:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3641" data-t="3641">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3643" data-t="3643">Think of Podkoff</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3646" data-t="3646">as Gotham City, and think of that little orange that little orange light at the end of your Sarah</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3652" data-t="3652">as</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3653" data-t="3653">as the the signaling signal,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3655" data-t="3655">as the</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3657">1:00:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3657" data-t="3657">as the lighthouse. So anybody</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3659" data-t="3659">in your vicinity, when they see you have light up,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3662" data-t="3662">they know</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3664" data-t="3664">they're not alone. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3666">1:01:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3666" data-t="3666">When you light a cigarette and you listen to a Bitcoin podcast, you are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3671" data-t="3671">a light on that hill,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3673" data-t="3673">projecting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3674" data-t="3674">a bright orange future to the rest of the world who Setting setting an example. Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3680" data-t="3680">Exactly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3681" data-t="3681">And without people like that, nothing will ever change.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3685">1:01:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3685" data-t="3685">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3688" data-t="3688">Before</span> <span class="cue" data-t="3688">and before we get into the base, I wanted to say that not everybody</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3693" data-t="3693">wants to put themselves out there. Everybody wants to start a podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3696" data-t="3696">Everybody is a good orange miller,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3699" data-t="3699">but they want</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3700">1:01:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3700" data-t="3700">to contribute.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3701" data-t="3701">And a lot of people, especially this day and age, they think that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3706" data-t="3706">well, you know, one of the most common ways to to help people, to help a cause, to further a cause is to donate to charity.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3714" data-t="3714">The but charities are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3716" data-t="3716">nonprofit.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3717" data-t="3717">It's a corporate structure designed</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3720">1:01:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3720" data-t="3720">by the feds</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3721" data-t="3721">to five zero one c three corp, and it is designed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3724" data-t="3724">for the sole</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3726" data-t="3726">purpose of compliantly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3728" data-t="3728">money laundering.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3730" data-t="3730">They it doesn't help people.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3732">1:02:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3732" data-t="3732">If you wanna help somebody,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3735" data-t="3735">donate to a Bitcoin podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3737" data-t="3737">Let me sit on fountain</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3739" data-t="3739">or start your own.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3741" data-t="3741">Don't donate to charity.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3743">1:02:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3743" data-t="3743">What if the podcast is a five zero one c three? What do you do then?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3750">1:02:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3750" data-t="3750">You don't do that. It's it's it's a more</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3753" data-t="3753">costly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3754" data-t="3754">it'd be like spending more to mine Bitcoin than you have to. It's like, I wanna pay more for energy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3760" data-t="3760">You're you're paying more and you don't need</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3763" data-t="3763">a five zero one c three</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3766" data-t="3766">TA if you if you boost a a Bitcoin podcast, but not on KYC wallet, it's on I mean, that's tax deductible.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3772">1:02:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3772" data-t="3772">Nobody knows</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3774" data-t="3774">that. You have to pay taxes on that. I mean, if you have, you know, the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3779" data-t="3779">day how your podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3781" data-t="3781">is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3782" data-t="3782">is is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3783" data-t="3783">listed, you know, and how that that split is set out, you know, you could you could launder that. But that's a second that's a secondary</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3793">1:03:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3793" data-t="3793">objective.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3794" data-t="3794">A Bitcoin podcast primary objective</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3797" data-t="3797">is helping people.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3798" data-t="3798">If for a nonprofit or a charity,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3800" data-t="3800">it's helping people maybe is on the list, but it's down the line further below</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3806" data-t="3806">money laundering. Yep.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3808">1:03:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3808" data-t="3808">Yeah. It's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3810" data-t="3810">one one of the things I would ask you kinda with this line of thinking</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3815" data-t="3815">is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3816" data-t="3816">you know, why should our our listeners</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3818" data-t="3818">boost us if they're already having trouble</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3822">1:03:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3822" data-t="3822">affording taxes. Well, if you're already having if you're having trouble affording taxes,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3828" data-t="3828">the only way to to fix that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3831" data-t="3831">is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3832" data-t="3832">to acquire more Bitcoin. And the best way to do that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3835" data-t="3835">is to listen more Bitcoin podcasts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3837" data-t="3837">So sometimes you have to spend money to make money.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3841">1:04:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3841" data-t="3841">If you want those podcasts to be available to you to help you afford your taxes,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3845" data-t="3845">they need your support. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3848">1:04:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3848" data-t="3848">I mean, one of the one of the things that really, you know, changes the game with Fountain, which is kinda interesting, is I've noticed on when I was listening to podcasts this week, on</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3858" data-t="3858">a fair amount of them, I was actually earning as I was listening. I was boosting more than I was earning.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3864" data-t="3864">But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3866" data-t="3866">I think this is, like, the first time you can directly correlate any sort of monetization</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3872" data-t="3872">of listening to a podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3875" data-t="3875">and it turning into a profitable</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3878">1:04:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3878" data-t="3878">endeavor. You know what I mean?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3880">1:04:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3880" data-t="3880">Right. Like, time is money.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3882" data-t="3882">The</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3883" data-t="3883">time you spend</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3884" data-t="3884">listening to Bitcoin podcasts,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3887" data-t="3887">that's also money. So not only you could grow Bitcoin, you grow generational wealth</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3893" data-t="3893">just by</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3895">1:04:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3895" data-t="3895">improving your life, improving your situation, and listening</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3899" data-t="3899">to thermodynamically</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3900" data-t="3900">sound content like Bitcoin podcast.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3903">1:05:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3903" data-t="3903">Yeah. Yeah. It's very,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3905" data-t="3905">very</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3906" data-t="3906">cool and interesting. But, yeah, I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3908" data-t="3908">think we should get into the boost.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3910" data-t="3910">The boost are, you know, like I said, they're the more most important part of the the show because they allow us to trend</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3919" data-t="3919">on,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3920">1:05:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3920" data-t="3920">on fountain</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3921" data-t="3921">and get recognized</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3924" data-t="3924">by other people.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3926">1:05:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3926" data-t="3926">And they pay for our cigarettes.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3928">1:05:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3928" data-t="3928">Yeah. And they pay for our cigarettes. They pay for Kaylee,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3931" data-t="3931">who is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3933" data-t="3933">a vital part of the show.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3937" data-t="3937">Yeah. Our our first boost of the day is from</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3941" data-t="3941">loyal booster</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3942" data-t="3942">and controversial figure, miss Huddl knot four twenty</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3946">1:05:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3946" data-t="3946">for 20,000 SaaS. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3949" data-t="3949">she says,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3950" data-t="3950">it's so nice to see free market solutions to climate issues pertaining to war. Yeah. Although,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3956">1:05:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3956" data-t="3956">honestly,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3957" data-t="3957">we talk a lot about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3960" data-t="3960">the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3961" data-t="3961">negative consequences</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3963" data-t="3963">of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3964" data-t="3964">war, and we talk about the negatives of war.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3967">1:06:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3967" data-t="3967">But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3968" data-t="3968">there's so many that it kinda gets buried down here. The obvious, which</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3972" data-t="3972">is wars are managed by governments, and governments are so inefficient</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3978" data-t="3978">at everything,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3979" data-t="3979">including managing a war. I mean, think of how much money, you know, the the the US government</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3984" data-t="3984">spent fucking</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3986">1:06:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3986" data-t="3986">in Afghanistan</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3988" data-t="3988">with no with no</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3989" data-t="3989">cause of results.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3991" data-t="3991">Think about what a private corporation,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3993" data-t="3993">how they could have done that better. At least it was he doesn't even have to be a, like, a mega corporation. Like, the you can have a non state private,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4001" data-t="4001">actors like the Uzi's or or Hesco op. They're able to wage more at a much lower price point</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4007">1:06:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4007" data-t="4007">because they're just much more efficient. There's just so much less</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4010" data-t="4010">overhead</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4011" data-t="4011">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4012" data-t="4012">bureaucracy and baggage. Yeah.</span></span></p> +