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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-0">0:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-0" data-t="0">Warning. The Bugle Weekly is no longer a compliant podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4" data-t="4">Listener discretion is advised.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-6" data-t="6">We have complied our asses off and even went as far as becoming sponsored by PodConf.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-12" data-t="12">While we are still in a contractual agreement with them, we will be telling the truth about our sponsors as well as the truth about government.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-19" data-t="19">We complied so hard and got so far,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-22" data-t="22">but in the end, it doesn't even matter.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-25">0:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-25" data-t="25">The dollar is fucked.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-27" data-t="27">Real estate and most other investments will take off once you don't comply with their tyranny, and their tyranny will become worse than ever, leaving ordinal NFT pump and dumps as our last hope. There's no other option.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-39">0:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-39" data-t="39">For decades,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-40" data-t="40">manufacturing in the American Rust Belt has been exported to countries like China.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-45" data-t="45">The effects have been horrific on the communities impacted,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-48" data-t="48">eroding the industrial capacity of The United States down to zero.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-52" data-t="52">People lost their incomes and livelihoods to outsourcing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-56" data-t="56">In the same way, the American people have outsourced their thinking to CIA operated media organizations,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-62">1:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-62" data-t="62">as well as YouTubers like Tim Pool without journalistic credentials.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-67" data-t="67">Much of the American youth is outsourcing their thinking to Chinese applications like TikTok paving the way for a dark future.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-74" data-t="74">The future of our country could be in peril as individuals continue to outsource their thinking in the same way America outsourced its manufacturing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-82" data-t="82">That is why you, the bugle reader, are a part of the solution.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-86" data-t="86">Instead of outsourcing your thinking to unqualified</span> <span class="cue" id="t-89" data-t="89">individuals,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-90">1:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-90" data-t="90">you are outsourcing it to the best in the game.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-93">1:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-93" data-t="93">You can make America great again by reading the bugle.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-97" data-t="97">Take back your mind by outsourcing the thinking to them instead of the spooks.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-110" data-t="110">I, for one, am pretty disappointed.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-112" data-t="112">I thought compliance was the way to N G U. Turns out that was a mistake.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-118" data-t="118">The dang government told us to comply.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-120" data-t="120">What did we do? We asked how hard. Well, not anymore.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-125">2:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-125" data-t="125">That's why I'm calling for a compliance strike.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-128" data-t="128">No more compliance.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-129" data-t="129">None.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-130" data-t="130">Until the government complies along with us as equals,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-134" data-t="134">as peers.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-135" data-t="135">Because that's the only way all this works.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-138">2:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-138" data-t="138">We need to solve the Byzantine general's problem of compliance</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-156">2:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-156" data-t="156">Adcomp</span> <span class="cue" id="t-157" data-t="157">is an organization</span> <span class="cue" id="t-158" data-t="158">dedicated to controlling the narrative around Bitcoin as well as promoting the idea of number go up above all else.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-166" data-t="166">They have recently launched a merchandise store in order to try and continue to capture the mind of Bitcoin podcasters and podcast listeners.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-174" data-t="174">At the Bugle, while we are sponsored by PodConf and obligated to play at Reads for them weekly,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-180" data-t="180">we find it important to warn our listeners that this cabal is dangerous and should not be trusted. Now enough of that gay shit.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-187">3:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-187" data-t="187">Let's get to the show.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-189">3:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-189" data-t="189">Alright, Rod. It feels like there's, been a big shift, a change in season.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-195" data-t="195">How are you doing?</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-196">3:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-196" data-t="196">I'm doing great, but I feel the shift as well. I've got a sinus infection. I think that's the atmosphere</span> <span class="cue" id="t-202" data-t="202">pressure is just totally changing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-204" data-t="204">in the industry,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-206" data-t="206">especially on Bitcoin Twitter. I think the era of voluntary compliance</span> <span class="cue" id="t-211" data-t="211">might be coming to an end.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-215">3:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-215" data-t="215">Yeah. I mean, it's a it's gonna be a pretty big</span> <span class="cue" id="t-219" data-t="219">shift</span> <span class="cue" id="t-220" data-t="220">for the compliance</span> <span class="cue" id="t-222" data-t="222">advocates</span> <span class="cue" data-t="222">to just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-224" data-t="224">up and surrender and and realize</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-226">3:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-226" data-t="226">and support noncompliance</span> <span class="cue" id="t-228" data-t="228">after campaigning</span> <span class="cue" id="t-229" data-t="229">so hard.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-231">3:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-231" data-t="231">I mean, think about how much money</span> <span class="cue" id="t-233" data-t="233">and investments from venture capitalists from building these businesses around compliance.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-238" data-t="238">You can't just switch overnight</span> <span class="cue" id="t-241" data-t="241">with new strategy. It's gonna be a tough adjustment period.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-246">4:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-246" data-t="246">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-247" data-t="247">Well, Dennis Porter</span> <span class="cue" id="t-249" data-t="249">is claiming that if they give him 10,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-252" data-t="252">he's gonna be able to fix the whole situation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-255" data-t="255">and get The US back on track.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-257" data-t="257">I don't really believe him.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-259">4:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-259" data-t="259">I don't know. I think he might be compromised.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-263" data-t="263">But if he's not compromised, then you think about the power of inflationary</span> <span class="cue" id="t-269" data-t="269">money on government. Like, right now, according to Dennis, it takes 10 Bitcoin to absolutely change the government for better. In twenty years, it might only take 1 or 2 Bitcoin to change the government for better, and I think that's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-283" data-t="283">and I think that's powerful, the powerful</span> <span class="cue" id="t-286" data-t="286">powerful</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-289">4:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-289" data-t="289">meme. Yeah. It is a powerful meme, but but here's the thing that people don't understand is that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-295" data-t="295">media companies are way more powerful than lobbyists. Because at the end of the day, media shapes the public perception where the lobby is just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-303" data-t="303">you know, what what is Dennis really doing? I mean, he's taking selfies and tweeting about them, but do you think that really gets</span> <span class="cue" id="t-311" data-t="311">politicians to understand Bitcoin?</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-313">5:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-313" data-t="313">No. I don't I don't really think so. I don't think so. I it is also</span> <span class="cue" id="t-317" data-t="317">understates</span> <span class="cue" id="t-318" data-t="318">the importance of requiring journalism degrees to be in the media. I think you have way too many people who are in the media influencing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-327" data-t="327">the industry</span> <span class="cue" id="t-328" data-t="328">who are they're just there because they're pretty or they're very smart, or they used to be a a professional athlete or an OG Bitcoiner, but they don't have journalism degrees. They have converted the system because of that.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-341">5:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-341" data-t="341">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-343" data-t="343">Alright. We had technical difficulties</span> <span class="cue" id="t-345" data-t="345">and totally lost our trail of thought, but I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-349" data-t="349">I think the solution to this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-352" data-t="352">is we need Elon Musk</span> <span class="cue" id="t-356" data-t="356">to ensure the only people on Twitter practicing journalism</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-360">6:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-360" data-t="360">are people with journalism</span> <span class="cue" id="t-362" data-t="362">check marks,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-365" data-t="365">that he can verify their credentials</span> <span class="cue" id="t-367" data-t="367">through a KYC</span> <span class="cue" id="t-369" data-t="369">process. And so this would be something that Twitter does entirely voluntary. So it's it's gonna be a private</span> <span class="cue" id="t-376" data-t="376">a private,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-378">6:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-378" data-t="378">solution, a market based solution instead of a government</span> <span class="cue" id="t-382" data-t="382">force solution. Now it'd be problematic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-384" data-t="384">if the government</span> <span class="cue" id="t-385" data-t="385">was telling Twitter to do that. But if Elon does this to save journalism</span> <span class="cue" id="t-391" data-t="391">and fight misinformation,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-394" data-t="394">that'd be pretty powerful, in my opinion.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-397">6:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-397" data-t="397">Yeah. They should call it l y j. No. You're a journalist.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-401" data-t="401">That's a fair one for you, Elon. But you're right. I think you make a very big point here. If you ever listen to the most impressive,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-408" data-t="408">the most successful</span> <span class="cue" id="t-409" data-t="409">entrepreneurs,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-410" data-t="410">one of I mean, Umihara,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-412" data-t="412">Jeff Bezos is a great example.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-414">6:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-414" data-t="414">He talks about obsession with your customer, knowing your customer better than they know themselves.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-420" data-t="420">And if you if you take that approach, you can have a successful business. I think that part of the reason you have companies like DISC, you have companies like AutoHuddle,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-430" data-t="430">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-431" data-t="431">all these other companies that don't do they don't know their customer. That's why they're having such a hard time competing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-437" data-t="437">with the centralized companies. They don't know the good enough user experience because they don't know their customer. And I think that you can know your customer voluntarily,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-446" data-t="446">privately</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-447">7:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-447" data-t="447">instead of doing it for the for the regulation standpoint or the compliance</span> <span class="cue" id="t-452" data-t="452">effect.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-453" data-t="453">And then</span> <span class="cue" id="t-455" data-t="455">that way,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-456" data-t="456">if you know your customer, build a better product, and not have to report that to the the authority.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-464">7:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-464" data-t="464">Yeah. I just I don't I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-466" data-t="466">I don't understand why more businesses don't want to know their customers.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-471">7:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-471" data-t="471">Yeah. I don't wanna I don't wanna use a a a product.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-475" data-t="475">The owner of that product, the seller of that product doesn't even want to get to know me.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-480" data-t="480">Yeah. I'm a friendly guy. I have a lot of good ideas about NGU, about Bitcoin. They they don't even</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-488">8:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-488" data-t="488">care. Yeah. I mean, this is one of the problems with Coinbase is, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-492" data-t="492">while</span> <span class="cue" id="t-494" data-t="494">they practice strict</span> <span class="cue" id="t-496" data-t="496">know your customer laws, it seems like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-499" data-t="499">after that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-501" data-t="501">the the employees there, they don't take any time to get to know their customers. Like, people have a lot of issues</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-507">8:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-507" data-t="507">with Coinbase support. You're never you're never gonna</span> <span class="cue" id="t-510" data-t="510">expect one of the stackers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-513" data-t="513">on Coinbase</span> <span class="cue" id="t-514" data-t="514">to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-515" data-t="515">get a tweet reply from Brian Armstrong, whereas Corey Clipston,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-520" data-t="520">you you're stacking $25</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-523">8:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-523" data-t="523">a week on Swan. That, like, pretty much secures you a tweet reply from him</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-528">8:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-528" data-t="528">to tag him. That that underscores a very important point. You look at a company like Swan, they really get to know their customers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-536" data-t="536">on top of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-538" data-t="538">the government,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-540" data-t="540">Internet, that they know their customers. So you have these two camps of companies. You have ones that don't want to know their customers. They don't gather any information, and typically their user experience is suboptimal.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-551" data-t="551">And then you have companies who only know their customer because the government requires them to, and then they just pass that information off to Washington, and they don't take time to study it and get to know their customers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-562" data-t="562">because they want to.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-566">9:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-566" data-t="566">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-567" data-t="567">Yeah. I mean, like, Swan does a great job of getting to know their customers. They not only,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-573" data-t="573">collect all their personal information</span> <span class="cue" id="t-575" data-t="575">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-576" data-t="576">data, but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-578" data-t="578">they also invite all their customers to a conference where you can get FaceTime with the employees.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-584">9:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-584" data-t="584">That's huge.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-586" data-t="586">Can you imagine if Coinbase had</span> <span class="cue" id="t-588" data-t="588">offerings where everybody could come and hang out with all the people they hear on on spaces, on podcast, all year round? I mean, that would be huge.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-598">9:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-598" data-t="598">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-599" data-t="599">I mean, I've been I've been moving away from compliant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-602" data-t="602">exchanges and, like, thinking of them as a viable option at this point.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-607" data-t="607">But if I were to choose between Swan and River,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-611" data-t="611">I would choose Swan in a heartbeat because you're you're never gonna see Alex Leishman</span> <span class="cue" id="t-616" data-t="616">for in a conference to invite all his customers to</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-619">10:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-619" data-t="619">and, like, responded to them on Twitter</span> <span class="cue" id="t-622" data-t="622">and, like, shooting basketball</span> <span class="cue" id="t-624" data-t="624">hoops with them.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-627" data-t="627">Like, Leishman's he he's never gonna do that. I don't know what if he thinks he's too important or, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-633" data-t="633">he just has, like, poor time management.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-635">10:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-635" data-t="635">Well, if you if you look at the the people who don't have conferences</span> <span class="cue" id="t-640" data-t="640">and they if if something happens in the public relations field or the legal field, nobody comes to their defense. But if you have a podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-649" data-t="649">or you have a conference, likely,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-652" data-t="652">it is so much</span> <span class="cue" id="t-653" data-t="653">more likely that people will defend you and take up your cause. I think maybe samurai,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-659" data-t="659">one of their mistakes was not having a conference.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-663">11:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-663" data-t="663">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-664" data-t="664">Well, this might be a good time to discuss our sponsors,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-669" data-t="669">speaking of that, because PodConf is one of them,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-673" data-t="673">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-674" data-t="674">we're kinda pissed at them. But, yeah, I mean, if you're if you're a media company,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-681" data-t="681">that also, you know, has another Bitcoin service</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-684">11:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-684" data-t="684">and you're throwing a conference,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-687" data-t="687">you know, PodConf is gonna have a lot of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-691" data-t="691">influence over you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-693" data-t="693">And you get some protection for that, but you also become</span> <span class="cue" id="t-697" data-t="697">a heartless shitcoiner trying to control the narrative and shut down real journalism.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-704">11:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-704" data-t="704">Yeah. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-705" data-t="705">we're gonna continue to run pod comp ads and to and to support them in this partnership that we have as our as our as our advertiser, but I think it should be noted that we are no longer aligned morally or ethically with Botpal. I think we we've grown sick of their shit.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-724">12:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-724" data-t="724">Yeah. I mean, there there's some things that we agree on, which is NGU.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-731" data-t="731">But, you know, even after the government has so blatantly been noncompliant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-736" data-t="736">this week,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-738" data-t="738">they still they still support compliance,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-741" data-t="741">and it just kinda blows my mind.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-743">12:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-743" data-t="743">No. I agree. I think that there's an old saying that Bitcoin is money for enemies.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-749" data-t="749">And I think as a podcast, oftentimes, or at least in our experience,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-754" data-t="754">our sponsors are also our enemies. So that's it's a fitting it's a fitting,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-759" data-t="759">phrase.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-761">12:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-761" data-t="761">I like that. Spot podcast sponsorships</span> <span class="cue" id="t-764" data-t="764">are for enemies.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-766">12:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-766" data-t="766">Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-768" data-t="768">that there should be a more adversarial relationship between podcasts and our sponsors, and I think that we're gonna be that example.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-777">12:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-777" data-t="777">So do you do you think Peter McCormack really hates his sponsors?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-782" data-t="782">Like, he's just filled with loading, but he reads it anyways and pretends like he isn't.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-786">13:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-786" data-t="786">I think Peter would tell you, just as any other major influential podcaster would tell you, that not every morning they wake up and are excited to read the ads from their their sponsors.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-797" data-t="797">But some days,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-799" data-t="799">it it can be easier than others. And I think as a as a podcaster, you have the beauty</span> <span class="cue" id="t-804" data-t="804">to read your sponsor's copy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-806" data-t="806">with conviction and with,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-809" data-t="809">you know, with passion because you've agreed to a contractual</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-813">13:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-813" data-t="813">obligation.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-814" data-t="814">But that doesn't mean you have to personally like them. Like, we I think Peter definitely does dislike some of his sponsors, especially because of what they've done to his reputation over the years. They've done a we've done a lot of damage to him.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-829">13:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-829" data-t="829">I bet you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-831" data-t="831">that Peter has a a name account on Twitter where he goes and yells at his sponsors for being scammers.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-839">13:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-839" data-t="839">Yeah. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-841" data-t="841">it makes you wonder how many of those accounts are out there where it's it's it's an a new account that seems like its own, you know, brand or its own person.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-851" data-t="851">Or, really, it's just kind of this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-853" data-t="853">aspect of another influencer that you already follow.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-856" data-t="856">He's just expressing his dissatisfaction</span> <span class="cue" id="t-859" data-t="859">with Podcom or with his own company,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-862">14:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-862" data-t="862">as a as a nim with a totally different personality. It's it's it makes you wonder how many ghosts are really out there.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-870">14:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-870" data-t="870">I wonder</span> <span class="cue" id="t-872" data-t="872">do you think that he could have been running the triple elite</span> <span class="cue" id="t-875" data-t="875">memes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-876" data-t="876">as a civil attack against the sponsors?</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-880">14:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-880" data-t="880">Yeah. I think if you look at at Triple Elite memes, they they never really went after Peter. They went after some of the companies who were not sponsoring Peter but are now sponsoring Peter. And I think that's just a coincidence perhaps,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-895" data-t="895">but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-896" data-t="896">something to think about.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-899">14:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-899" data-t="899">That would that would be a pretty big deal if Peter was wielding triple elite memes against protect prospective sponsors.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-908" data-t="908">I mean but only yielding when they gave him money.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-911">15:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-911" data-t="911">Think about it. If if if people who need means</span> <span class="cue" id="t-914" data-t="914">damages your public reputation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-917" data-t="917">enough,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-918" data-t="918">you need.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-920" data-t="920">You have to spend more money on advertising</span> <span class="cue" id="t-923" data-t="923">and sponsorships.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-924">15:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-924" data-t="924">It is the benefit of that sponsorship money.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-928" data-t="928">Peter.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-932">15:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-932" data-t="932">Is this something the antitoxicity</span> <span class="cue" id="t-935" data-t="935">league could help with?</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-937">15:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-937" data-t="937">No. I think so. I think that the antitoxicity</span> <span class="cue" id="t-940" data-t="940">elite could be a fairly good</span> <span class="cue" id="t-943" data-t="943">leadership they should show leadership or influence</span> <span class="cue" id="t-946" data-t="946">in minimizing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-948" data-t="948">some of the toxic attitudes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-950" data-t="950">on social media.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-952">15:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-952" data-t="952">And that way, especially in bear markets, companies could spend less on advertising and less on sponsorships and more on the infrastructure</span> <span class="cue" id="t-960" data-t="960">of of noncompliant.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-965">16:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-965" data-t="965">Yeah. It would be great to save,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-967" data-t="967">save money</span> <span class="cue" id="t-969" data-t="969">on on having to be compliant and actually putting that towards productive activities.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-976" data-t="976">So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-978" data-t="978">we've got another sponsor,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-981" data-t="981">for the week. Or, actually, one last thing on PodConf because before we go there.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-986">16:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-986" data-t="986">I got my PodConf t shirt in the mail that I bought, and I'm thinking about returning it because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-992" data-t="992">I no longer wanna rep PodConf after their shenanigans was launching those shit coins.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1000" data-t="1000">Yeah. I'd I've just been thinking about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1003" data-t="1003">returning my t shirt for PodConf because I don't really I don't wanna rep it anymore. I don't wanna rep these,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1009" data-t="1009">like, these guys that wanna be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1011" data-t="1011">compliant. Like, I'd rather I'd rather rep companies</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1014">16:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1014" data-t="1014">like Compliance Shield.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1017">16:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1017" data-t="1017">Oh, it's Shield now. Stroke.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1019" data-t="1019">Compliance strike</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1020" data-t="1020">is, Yeah. Yeah. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1023" data-t="1023">I suspect they they they'd messaged us, and they they they told us what they were thinking about doing, and it really aligns</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1030" data-t="1030">with how we've been feeling lately. I think we've been so,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1035" data-t="1035">willing and ready and credulous,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1038">17:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1038" data-t="1038">you the idea of compliance,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1040" data-t="1040">getting to MGU,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1041" data-t="1041">and we've learned at least over the last week, and and and additional</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1048" data-t="1048">information has come in,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1050" data-t="1050">it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1051" data-t="1051">it's not just enough for Bitcoiners to be compliant. You need the government to be compliant.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1057">17:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1057" data-t="1057">Because if you can't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1059" data-t="1059">if you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1060" data-t="1060">if you don't have the the the Byzantine general's problem solved,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1063" data-t="1063">where the the person making a decision</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1067" data-t="1067">about how to interact, how to transact, how to buy, which which laws to follow,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1071" data-t="1071">they have to know that every other node on that network is aligned with that. Because if they attack, they need to know all the other nodes are going to attack. Or if they're going to comply,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1081">18:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1081" data-t="1081">they need to know all the other nodes are going to comply. Because if one doesn't,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1085" data-t="1085">it breaks down the whole the whole communication line. It breaks down the whole mission,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1090" data-t="1090">and you can't you can't succeed without everybody being</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1094" data-t="1094">in consensus.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1095" data-t="1095">And so I think that we need to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1098" data-t="1098">go on strike</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1100">18:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1100" data-t="1100">regarding compliance, maybe maybe show some civil disobedience or some civil noncompliance</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1105" data-t="1105">until the government upholds any end of the bargain.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1111">18:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1111" data-t="1111">Yeah. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1112" data-t="1112">one one thing we've seen really shift is I think a lot of people are understanding that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1117" data-t="1117">civil civil disobedience is the new trend.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1122" data-t="1122">Like, we we should institutions</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1126" data-t="1126">like the noncompliant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1128" data-t="1128">CIA,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1129">18:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1129" data-t="1129">we we should strike until they comply,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1132" data-t="1132">and we should let them wear it hurt.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1134">18:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1134" data-t="1134">Yeah. I I think I think everybody that listens to this show, who goes to podcast conferences,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1140" data-t="1140">understands that we all value consumerism.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1143" data-t="1143">So if you're thinking about consumerism, think about going to the mall, and you see different items of clothing that match different season.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1150" data-t="1150">I think Plonk Plonk and that line of clothing is is just so last season.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1155" data-t="1155">Next season</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1156" data-t="1156">is about civil law and compliance, and I think that's where people in the trend and the memes and the fashion, that's where it's trending right now.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1167">19:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1167" data-t="1167">Well, yeah, I mean, there's there's a saying that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1171" data-t="1171">noncompliant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1172" data-t="1172">individuals create good times</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1174" data-t="1174">create compliant times, and then compliant individuals</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1177" data-t="1177">complete</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1178" data-t="1178">create hard times,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1180">19:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1180" data-t="1180">which then creates noncompliant individuals</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1183" data-t="1183">to kind of pick up the pieces. So it's kind of the secular.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1187">19:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1187" data-t="1187">It is a secular cycle. It's it's vicious. And I think we have we compliance got us a really, really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1194" data-t="1194">long way towards NGEU.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1196" data-t="1196">E to yap got us to new all time highs.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1199" data-t="1199">But it but it doesn't last. And you have to you have to keep going. And I think we're going into a new cycle where we're realizing that we've maybe we complied a little too hard. Maybe we complied</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1212" data-t="1212">a little too far.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1213" data-t="1213">In the end,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1215">20:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1215" data-t="1215">that doesn't matter. What matters is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1218" data-t="1218">adjusting and adapting.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1221">20:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1221" data-t="1221">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1223" data-t="1223">And, you know, some people might criticize us for for being wrong, but the but the thing was was that we were correct</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1230" data-t="1230">at that given time, that that was that was the best strategy,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1234" data-t="1234">and we're having to shift due to changing,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1238" data-t="1238">circumstances</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1239" data-t="1239">that are outside of our control. So we were we were never incorrect. We were we were correct in the moment.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1245">20:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1245" data-t="1245">Right. But if we were to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1247" data-t="1247">keep those opinions,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1249" data-t="1249">we would be incorrect now, but we're not. Right. We correct.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1252">20:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1252" data-t="1252">We reserve the right page in our mind. We have.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1258">20:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1258" data-t="1258">And and I know, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1261" data-t="1261">a lot of other people that change their minds on topics, you know, shouldn't be given the credit that we are. And part of the reason is is because they're not</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1271">21:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1271" data-t="1271">credentialed journalists like us. Right. Right. The the part of being a journalist is being able to consume</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1279" data-t="1279">new podcasts or new information</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1281" data-t="1281">and and adjust your world your brains do that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1285" data-t="1285">Not everybody has that college training. If you don't have that college training, you might pivot and change your mind too quickly or pivot and change your mind too late. And that way, you're leading people astray, but we have changed our minds at exactly the right time. Because because of our extensive training that allows us to do that.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1305">21:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1305" data-t="1305">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1307" data-t="1307">That was that was really,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1309" data-t="1309">I I remember my sophomore year, I took a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1312" data-t="1312">a course called how to change your mind on any given opinion,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1317" data-t="1317">at any time, and that was a very helpful one. And that's and that is where</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1323">22:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1323" data-t="1323">what is that's why you need free markets. Right? Because that's that's where you get your information.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1328" data-t="1328">Once</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1329" data-t="1329">the once the value of your opinion changes, you have to be or you have to be able to watch the corresponding</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1336" data-t="1336">price.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1337" data-t="1337">The more valuable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1339" data-t="1339">the information</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1340">22:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1340" data-t="1340">that you are telling your audience that you're reporting to your audience, the more money it makes you from your sponsors</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1347" data-t="1347">is a signal, a market signal, telling you that that opinion is now correct. You have to follow the price signal.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1356">22:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1356" data-t="1356">100%.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1359" data-t="1359">Well,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1360">22:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1360" data-t="1360">do you wanna segue into your poem that you wrote? No. I think that this poem, I I I found it on Stacker News.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1368" data-t="1368">Think that it does a good job of conveying exactly what we were talking about and why we've decided to change it online.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1375" data-t="1375">And it goes like this. It goes, first, it came for the shit warriors, and I did not speak out</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1381" data-t="1381">because I was not a shit pointer.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1384" data-t="1384">Then they came for the money launderer,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1387" data-t="1387">and I did not speak out</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1389">23:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1389" data-t="1389">because I was not a money launderer.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1392" data-t="1392">Then they came for the noncompliant,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1395" data-t="1395">and I did not speak out because I was compliant.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1399" data-t="1399">But then they came for me,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1401" data-t="1401">someone who is compliant,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1403" data-t="1403">and there was no one left to speak for me.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1407">23:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1407" data-t="1407">End poem.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1408" data-t="1408">I just think that that really is beautiful and powerful, and I think that a lot of people will will</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1415" data-t="1415">have that impact that I did.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1420">23:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1420" data-t="1420">Yeah. That that's a very timely</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1423" data-t="1423">poem.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1424" data-t="1424">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1425" data-t="1425">I mean, maybe it should be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1427" data-t="1427">forwarded over to samurai's legal defense</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1431" data-t="1431">to read that poem to the journey and their to the jury and their criminal trial.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1435">23:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1435" data-t="1435">Because I think that that might really shift their opinions of them understanding,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1441" data-t="1441">one, that it should be legal to launder money for the CIA and a democracy,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1446" data-t="1446">and then, two, that the open soft source software is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1452" data-t="1452">it's a compliant activity.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1455">24:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1455" data-t="1455">Right. Right. And a 100%.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1457" data-t="1457">A 100%.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1459" data-t="1459">That is the other thing that we need to make our</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1462" data-t="1462">representative officials understand</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1464" data-t="1464">is that this is a democracy. And if in a in a democracy,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1468" data-t="1468">if the government wants to launder money,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1471">24:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1471" data-t="1471">and it's not illegal for the citizens to help them wander money. Is it is it it is a is a democratic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1478" data-t="1478">effort, a team.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1480" data-t="1480">It it takes every American to get you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1483" data-t="1483">strategy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1484" data-t="1484">or the the mission accomplished.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1489" data-t="1489">It shouldn't be illegal. I that any the place should be thrown out on those grounds alone because we are a democracy.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1496">24:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1496" data-t="1496">Well, I I think the only solution in this situation is is to force the government to comply</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1503" data-t="1503">through civil disobedience,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1505" data-t="1505">but also through legislation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1506" data-t="1506">that we need to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1508" data-t="1508">change the constitution so that they're compliant.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1511">25:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1511" data-t="1511">Yeah. I saw Marty Bent. He said that we need to start suing the government.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1517" data-t="1517">And if we start doing that, that's that's that's something we can start today. And if we need a constitutional</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1522" data-t="1522">convention, we need to change the constitution.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1526" data-t="1526">What</span> <span class="cue" data-t="1526">what changes do you think we should make?</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1531">25:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1531" data-t="1531">I I have some let me pull up my notes. I have some preliminary</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1537" data-t="1537">thoughts on this.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1538" data-t="1538">I think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1540" data-t="1540">one</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1541" data-t="1541">like, one of the big ones that needs to happen is there needs to be an amendment</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1546" data-t="1546">to make</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1547">25:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1547" data-t="1547">the income tax constitutional.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1549">25:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1549" data-t="1549">Like, that's that's one of the first and foremost ones. That right there it we everybody is complying and paying an income tax. It is not even legal. It's not even in the rules or in the law or in the constitution</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1562" data-t="1562">anywhere</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1563" data-t="1563">that that could be happening. We need to add that right away so we can all be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1569" data-t="1569">in consensus</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1570" data-t="1570">and complying</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1571" data-t="1571">according to the actual law.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1575">26:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1575" data-t="1575">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1576" data-t="1576">Yeah. I mean, it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1578" data-t="1578">like every time the IRS,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1580" data-t="1580">like, goes after somebody for not paying income tax, they're noncompliant.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1585" data-t="1585">And so that that's a major major issue. Imagine if this law existed.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1590">26:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1590" data-t="1590">If you owe for paid your taxes,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1592" data-t="1592">the government should have to re re</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1596" data-t="1596">return that to you. And if they don't or if they take too long, you should be able to get interest</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1602" data-t="1602">on your overspend. But because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1604" data-t="1604">it's not even in The US law or the constitution that you have to pay taxes, they can just hold that extra money and you give them because it's like a donation.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1616">26:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1616" data-t="1616">Yeah. I mean, this noncompliant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1618" data-t="1618">organization</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1619" data-t="1619">thinks that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1620" data-t="1620">your money is Ukraine's money.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1624" data-t="1624">And until Congress</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1626" data-t="1626">votes and and maybe this should be something too that,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1631">27:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1631" data-t="1631">we we should make as part of the constitution</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1634" data-t="1634">is for, The US to vote</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1637" data-t="1637">to join both Israel and Ukraine</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1640" data-t="1640">so that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1643" data-t="1643">all the money they're sending over there is compliant</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1646">27:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1646" data-t="1646">as well. Yeah. And we could we could make those the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1650" data-t="1650">fifty first and fifty second states in The United States.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1654" data-t="1654">In that way, they could pay taxes back.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1658">27:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1658" data-t="1658">Yeah. I think that Washington DC should become the fifty first state. So we we'd be up to 54</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1666" data-t="1666">adding Washington DC, Israel,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1669" data-t="1669">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1670" data-t="1670">Ukraine.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1672" data-t="1672">But but I think the more the more, the better. You know?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1676" data-t="1676">And Yeah. Like, all these all these countries that have US military bases in them,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1681">28:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1681" data-t="1681">we should force a vote</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1683" data-t="1683">on</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1685" data-t="1685">The US voting to join those countries as well.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1690">28:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1690" data-t="1690">Yeah. Absolutely. And we can also get the same rules so that we could have the the same lightning wallets available</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1697" data-t="1697">in all of these different places around the world. Some of them, they're not available in every country, and so you can't even use them when you get there. But if we have more United States added</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1709" data-t="1709">by where all of our troops were, then you can hit our troops telling you that the country is safe. So if you can go to a safe country</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1716" data-t="1716">in The United States and still use your custodial whitening wallet, I I think that really improves the user experience</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1724" data-t="1724">rate a great deal.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1729">28:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1729" data-t="1729">It's a rewarding exercise that serves as the foundation for the value for value relationship between a government and its citizens</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1737" data-t="1737">in a healthy democracy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1739" data-t="1739">It can also be pretty stressful.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1741" data-t="1741">If you make a mistake, the consequences can be costly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1745" data-t="1745">For most people, tax season is the most stressful time of the year. But if you're a Bitcoiner who values compliance,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1751" data-t="1751">the stress doesn't end on April 15.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1754">29:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1754" data-t="1754">That's because being a compliant Bitcoiner is like being a mom.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1759" data-t="1759">It's a never ending job. That's why I developed Compliance Shield, the all in one solution for protecting your compliant reputation. Your reputation is important, whether it's with the IRS or the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1781" data-t="1781">upload the XPub for your cold storage wallet and let Compliance Shield do the rest.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1787" data-t="1787">Compliance Shield's state of the art</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1789" data-t="1789">algorithm runs on top of our cloud based Bitcoin core node</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1794" data-t="1794">and monitors</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1795">29:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1795" data-t="1795">all your Bitcoin addresses for suspicious activity,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1799" data-t="1799">dust attacks, and much more.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1802" data-t="1802">Compliance Shield also records</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1804" data-t="1804">every transaction</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1806" data-t="1806">you make and updates your dynamic compliance score to help you stay accountable.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1811" data-t="1811">Compliance Shield even monitors the the recipients of your transactions</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1816">30:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1816" data-t="1816">for up to one year to ensure you're not transacting with criminals or serially noncompliant counterparties.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1823" data-t="1823">Compliance Shield</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1825" data-t="1825">lets you label addresses belonging to your friends and family and reports them to all relevant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1831" data-t="1831">law enforcement agencies.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1833" data-t="1833">A government that knows who its citizens</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1835" data-t="1835">exchange value with as well as what they value</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1840">30:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1840" data-t="1840">can use that data to better serve</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1842" data-t="1842">everyone.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1843" data-t="1843">If you sign up today, you can take</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1845" data-t="1845">compliance shield's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1846" data-t="1846">RealPlev integration.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1848" data-t="1848">Connect on chain identities with other real plebs to build a safe,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1853">30:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1853" data-t="1853">compliant,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1854" data-t="1854">circular economy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1855" data-t="1855">Citadels require</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1857" data-t="1857">solid foundations.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1859" data-t="1859">Get compliance shield today for just $420</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1864" data-t="1864">per month so you can start building the foundation for your Citadel and get a head start preparing for hyper Bitcoinization.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1877">31:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1877" data-t="1877">Yeah. I mean, I think this is this is, like, one of the easiest ways to fix the issues at the border that everybody's upset</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1884" data-t="1884">with right now.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1888" data-t="1888">The the way you you fix</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1891" data-t="1891">you fix</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1892" data-t="1892">mass immigration in The United States is you just add all these countries that people are immigrating from</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1898" data-t="1898">to</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1902">31:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1902" data-t="1902">In The United States, it's they they will just they'll stay where they're at and be able</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1907" data-t="1907">to benefit,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1909" data-t="1909">from American citizen. That's a great idea.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1912">31:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1912" data-t="1912">Because because the only reason</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1914" data-t="1914">the only reason that these people are not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1917" data-t="1917">successful and they wanna leave their country is because they haven't experienced American democracy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1922" data-t="1922">yet. Right. And so</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1926" data-t="1926">having Joe Biden or Donald Trump</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1929" data-t="1929">be president</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1930">32:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1930" data-t="1930">in the next for the next four years of, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1934" data-t="1934">Guatemala</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1935" data-t="1935">or El Salvador or Afghanistan</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1938" data-t="1938">or,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1939" data-t="1939">you know, whichever country. Like, imagine if Libya joined</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1944" data-t="1944">The United States, how</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1946">32:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1946" data-t="1946">how peaceful and compliant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1948" data-t="1948">it would become.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1950">32:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1950" data-t="1950">Wow. That's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1951" data-t="1951">they they would get American schools.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1954" data-t="1954">They would get</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1955" data-t="1955">American police.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1957" data-t="1957">It would</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1958" data-t="1958">be so beneficial.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1961">32:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1961" data-t="1961">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1963" data-t="1963">But, yeah, I mean, there it's kind of like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1966" data-t="1966">it it seems like a mountain to climb that that is just, like, insurmountable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1972" data-t="1972">to make the US federal government compliant. Like, I don't know how we get</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1976" data-t="1976">from zero to one on this. Like, that's a pretty far distance.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1982">33:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1982" data-t="1982">It's I I think we're just gonna have to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1985" data-t="1985">show the government</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1988" data-t="1988">the benefit of NGU.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1990" data-t="1990">I just don't think they see it yet.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1994">33:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1994" data-t="1994">Yeah. Well, I think they they need they need some pain on both sides. They need the pain of us becoming rich without them, but they also need the pain of us not of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2005" data-t="2005">us being noncompliant,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2007" data-t="2007">using Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2009" data-t="2009">forcing them to, you know, wanna be compliant with us.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2014">33:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2014" data-t="2014">I don't know how we solve it. I think we're gonna need a lot more a lot more help. I think we're gonna need a lot more people in the community to come together on it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2022" data-t="2022">We're gonna need more info.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2024">33:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2024" data-t="2024">I mean, imagine</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2026" data-t="2026">imagine if Just Stop Ordinals</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2028" data-t="2028">starts doing their protests</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2031" data-t="2031">at these different political events. Instead of going after ordinals, they go after the government for being noncompliant.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2038" data-t="2038">How much of a shift that would be?</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2041">34:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2041" data-t="2041">Yeah. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2043" data-t="2043">people would be people talk about the impact that a group like desktop or to have or a different group like the maximalist, the money the monetary maximal</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2053" data-t="2053">or,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2054" data-t="2054">the privacy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2055" data-t="2055">influencers.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2056" data-t="2056">If they stop working</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2058">34:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2058" data-t="2058">independently and they join their forces, there's a term called synergy,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2063" data-t="2063">where it's the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2064" data-t="2064">output value</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2066" data-t="2066">of the collective is is worth more</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2069" data-t="2069">in the output value of the individual group. And that's maybe how we could</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2074" data-t="2074">funnel this energy and and influence</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2077">34:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2077" data-t="2077">into a giant,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2079" data-t="2079">like, a monolithic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2080" data-t="2080">influencer,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2081" data-t="2081">Like, the god influencer.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2083" data-t="2083">Maybe the god influencer could be the one that that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2086" data-t="2086">starts to impact the way the government</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2089">34:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2089" data-t="2089">thinks.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2091">34:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2091" data-t="2091">Yeah. I mean, I I think that that kind of messiah</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2095" data-t="2095">or messiah type figure,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2098" data-t="2098">could be coming. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2100" data-t="2100">I think a good candidate for it is Michael Saylor.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2104" data-t="2104">And I know a lot of people are gonna be shocked by this because he's been one of the most compliant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2110" data-t="2110">individuals in Bitcoin and and creatures of compliance and and seems completely captured by Podkoff. But I think there's</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2118">35:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2118" data-t="2118">a there's a lot of evidence leading to the idea that he's secretly a noncompliant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2123" data-t="2123">individual</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2124" data-t="2124">behind the scenes.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2126">35:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2126" data-t="2126">What would what would his motivation or what would his incentive be to be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2131" data-t="2131">kind of this undercover compliance</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2134" data-t="2134">agent?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2136" data-t="2136">Well,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2137">35:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2137" data-t="2137">to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2140" data-t="2140">he he he's kind of trying to Trojan horse</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2143" data-t="2143">the this whole</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2145" data-t="2145">apparatus, which exists behind the scenes to control everything.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2150" data-t="2150">That's not really visible to the average person. But if you pay attention, you can see</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2156" data-t="2156">it's all these, you know, noncompliant</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2158">35:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2158" data-t="2158">government actors</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2160" data-t="2160">mixed with compliant,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2162" data-t="2162">Bitcoin company,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2164" data-t="2164">CEOs and individuals.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2168" data-t="2168">And it's just like this it it's bigger than PodCon. Like, PodCon's pretty big, but there there's a bigger,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2175" data-t="2175">entity than PodCon that exists behind the scenes that,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2181">36:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2181" data-t="2181">Sailor appears to be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2184" data-t="2184">trying to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2186" data-t="2186">disrupt.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2188" data-t="2188">And he's he's dropping messages to the plugs</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2191" data-t="2191">as far as, you know, what the plan is to go after these guys.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2196">36:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2196" data-t="2196">Is it are are you saying that there is almost, like, a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2200" data-t="2200">a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2201" data-t="2201">deep state arm of Podkoff or a a bigger</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2206" data-t="2206">state</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2207" data-t="2207">arm</span> <span class="cue" data-t="2207">that Podkoff is is is unable to</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2211">36:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2211" data-t="2211">fully control?</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2213">36:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2213" data-t="2213">Well, Podkoff</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2215" data-t="2215">is controlled by this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2217" data-t="2217">Oh, wow. Organization.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2219">36:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2219" data-t="2219">Yeah. Oh, wow.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2222" data-t="2222">What what kind of what kind of communication</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2224" data-t="2224">is is he sending? Like, how how are we able to distinguish</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2228" data-t="2228">between what Sailor is saying when he's talking</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2231" data-t="2231">or is trying</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2232" data-t="2232">to influence,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2233">37:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2233" data-t="2233">BlackRock. He's trying</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2235" data-t="2235">to to keep the the government and the senators and the regulators</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2239" data-t="2239">off of hardworking plaids back. He's just trying to keep those guys connected</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2245" data-t="2245">and trying to to to demonstrate a certain level of strategy towards that audience. So how how how does he know if you're a plaid</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2252" data-t="2252">when he's talking to you?</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2255">37:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2255" data-t="2255">Well, I think part of the reason the part of the way he's doing it is he's releasing these cryptic messages on Stacker News that only plebs can understand.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2265" data-t="2265">And so</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2267" data-t="2267">his first one that he did,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2270" data-t="2270">using an account called s drops, he said,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2273" data-t="2273">I know a lot of you are scared out there, but rest assured things will be okay.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2279" data-t="2279">There's a plan</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2280">38:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2280" data-t="2280">and a great spiritual battle that lies ahead that ends in us winning</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2285" data-t="2285">and humanity</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2286" data-t="2286">experiencing a mass awakening in the form of hyper</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2289" data-t="2289">Bitcoinization.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2291" data-t="2291">Remember to HODL at all costs and limit the usage of Bitcoin as a medium of exchange to prevent the authorities for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2300" data-t="2300">for stamping down too hard soon.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2303">38:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2303" data-t="2303">There are many of us working behind the scenes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2306" data-t="2306">to protect Bitcoin and make it great again. The storm is coming.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2310">38:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2310" data-t="2310">Wow.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2311" data-t="2311">So, I mean, just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2313" data-t="2313">as somebody who's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2314" data-t="2314">so dedicated,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2315" data-t="2315">so passionate about Bitcoin in this space,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2318" data-t="2318">I just especially when I'm on spaces or on Bitcoin Twitter in general, I everything that that message said was happening. That's kinda what I could sense and I could feel that was happening. Like, it it's it's kind of it gives me goosebumps to hear that somebody</span></span></p>
+
+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2332">38:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2332" data-t="2332">condensed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2334" data-t="2334">all of those feelings that I had and is communicating</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2337" data-t="2337">that they're through. That sometimes when cellular would talk about it might not be money, like, a medium of exchange, it just felt like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2346" data-t="2346">he was saying that to throw off</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2350" data-t="2350">the banks and throw off the government to make them feel like this wasn't a threat. And I didn't think that he was genuinely felt that way. So it's like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2358" data-t="2358">it's it's it feels really powerful to hear him kind of knit back and kind of slip that to us in these astronauts. I think that's it's really</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2366">39:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2366" data-t="2366">it really eases a lot of my anxiety.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2369">39:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2369" data-t="2369">Yeah. I mean, I think Stacker News is a really interesting platform. It's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2375" data-t="2375">a anonymous</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2376" data-t="2376">communication</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2377" data-t="2377">platform with</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2380" data-t="2380">I mean, you can just sign up with a username,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2383" data-t="2383">and and nobody you know, there's no compliance data collection</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2388">39:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2388" data-t="2388">in that process. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2389" data-t="2389">but, and you could start earning Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2393" data-t="2393">But it it makes sense because it's a platform that is only dominated by the plebs. Like, there's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2400" data-t="2400">no suits or spooks on there from what I can tell.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2403">40:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2403" data-t="2403">It's really it's really important that we have these</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2406" data-t="2406">outlets and tools like Stacker because if every if every company, every tool used if they tried to know their customer, they used</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2415" data-t="2415">KYC,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2416" data-t="2416">cellular wouldn't be able to come in and post like that and and be able to give us that, that boost of encouragement and let us know what's really going on behind the scenes because they would know if that was cellular and that it would leak to the journal to the journalist who would have to report the news.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2430" data-t="2430">Like, he can do that anonymously.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2434">40:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2434" data-t="2434">So I I think, you know, some people might not be convinced at this point that this is actually sailor, and I just wanna assure them it is.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2442" data-t="2442">I took</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2444" data-t="2444">these,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2445" data-t="2445">you know, few sentences that he put in his s drop</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2449" data-t="2449">and,</span> <span class="cue" data-t="2449">ran it through ChatGPT</span></span></p>
+
+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2452">40:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2452" data-t="2452">and compared it against,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2456" data-t="2456">I compared it against the transcript.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2459" data-t="2459">So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2460" data-t="2460">I had given ChatGPT</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2461" data-t="2461">all the transcript</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2463" data-t="2463">scripts from</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2464">41:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2464" data-t="2464">all of his lines in the in the series that he did with Robert Breedlove on What is Money.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2471">41:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2471" data-t="2471">And</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2473">41:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2473" data-t="2473">and ChatGPT</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2474" data-t="2474">said it had a 97%</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2478" data-t="2478">match rate.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2480" data-t="2480">So I'm pretty convinced.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2482">41:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2482" data-t="2482">Yeah. I mean, that's one of the ways that you can communicate, I guess.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2487" data-t="2487">Get your message out there through these different,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2490" data-t="2490">I don't know, mediums. It's like we now have it's like a signature.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2494" data-t="2494">It's like these to have handwriting experts who could say somebody wrote this note because I studied their handwriting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2500" data-t="2500">CAD GBT is doing that digitally. I think that's really power.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2505">41:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2505" data-t="2505">Yeah. I mean, it's it's very exciting. It it's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2510" data-t="2510">the ability</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2511" data-t="2511">to deanonymize</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2512" data-t="2512">NIMS</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2513" data-t="2513">using</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2514" data-t="2514">AI, looking at the writing patterns is a very exciting,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2519">41:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2519" data-t="2519">deal because it forces journalists</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2522" data-t="2522">to, like, go and get credentials and publish under their name instead of hiding.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2527">42:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2527" data-t="2527">Yeah. And it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2528" data-t="2528">And I think it would perk it prevents these civil attacks that we talked about where it's it makes it seem like there is all of these different identities</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2537" data-t="2537">carrying these opinions. But I think if you can look at the patterns</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2541" data-t="2541">of how those</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2543" data-t="2543">those messages have been crafted,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2545" data-t="2545">you can kind of de anonymize them, and you can realize, oh, it isn't 5,000</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2550">42:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2550" data-t="2550">accounts tweeting this particular opinion.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2554" data-t="2554">This is really all coming from a central</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2557" data-t="2557">point,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2558" data-t="2558">and they are just syndicating</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2560" data-t="2560">this message.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2562" data-t="2562">I think you can realize, like, wow. This is you know, it seems like 5,000, but maybe it's only one or two.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2569">42:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2569" data-t="2569">Definitely.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2572" data-t="2572">Yeah. It's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2576" data-t="2576">really good. Did you wanna go into CoffeeGate?</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2579">42:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2579" data-t="2579">No. I think that it it really kinda plays along</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2582" data-t="2582">with this escrow thing, and it's it's also, coincidentally,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2586" data-t="2586">from Stack.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2588" data-t="2588">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2589" data-t="2589">they did some freedom of information</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2591" data-t="2591">at request on the government, which is, kind of a request to comply, and some of those are handled on a a request by request basis. So we've got these documents,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2600">43:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2600" data-t="2600">and it turns out that something that has been very, very popular,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2606" data-t="2606">anecdote in the Bitcoin space is, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2609" data-t="2609">we wanna be able to use</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2611" data-t="2611">later one to buy coffee.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2614" data-t="2614">Michael Sailor</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2615" data-t="2615">has even said that. He also said it with, Robert Brie. He meant his coffee.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2620">43:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2620" data-t="2620">But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2621" data-t="2621">this term</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2622" data-t="2622">actually has a double meaning. It turns out</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2626" data-t="2626">that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2628" data-t="2628">Michael Sailor is working</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2630" data-t="2630">on recovering his team's day, and he's working with the CIA on money laundering.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2634">43:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2634" data-t="2634">He's, like, helping he's helping the CIA use Bitcoin for money laundering. He's also working to put the plant. So he's a double agent.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2642" data-t="2642">When they talk about coffee, it's actually means money laundering.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2645" data-t="2645">They use that term in podcast and in interviews</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2650" data-t="2650">signal to other agent.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2652" data-t="2652">And if they say it's no longer safe, it's no longer</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2656" data-t="2656">affordable</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2657">44:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2657" data-t="2657">to use</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2659" data-t="2659">the base layer of Bitcoin to buy coffee. That means it's no longer</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2663" data-t="2663">safe</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2664" data-t="2664">money longer money on Bitcoin. It communicates that to all these agents.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2668" data-t="2668">We have, like, a list of firms where they talk about different forms of coffee or different aspects of coffee that have different deep meaning.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2676" data-t="2676">So decaf, decaf coffee,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2679">44:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2679" data-t="2679">means friendly counterparty,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2681" data-t="2681">like another federal agent. They have other ones like a barista,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2684" data-t="2684">means a mixing pool coordinator,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2687" data-t="2687">or a club brew,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2688" data-t="2688">which means noncustodial</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2690" data-t="2690">mixing servers.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2691">44:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2691" data-t="2691">And that's how they communicate back there. That's how the CIA communicates in the media to each other, and it's Taylor's is kind of a part of that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2700" data-t="2700">So if he is trying to influence the government to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2704" data-t="2704">imply to reform and just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2707" data-t="2707">fix the financial system, it would make sense that he's working very closely with the CIA.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2716">45:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2716" data-t="2716">Yeah. It's it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2718" data-t="2718">a lot of confusing stuff that we'll continue to to update our audience on and and and cover. And we you would just encourage</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2726" data-t="2726">everybody listening to avoid digging into it yourself because it's, you know, really easy to get confused</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2732" data-t="2732">if you don't have the proper ways to to vet information.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2736" data-t="2736">Sometimes it's actually,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2739" data-t="2739">you know, noncompliant</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2740">45:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2740" data-t="2740">for non journalists</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2742" data-t="2742">to have the information that we have on these types of topics</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2746" data-t="2746">when dealing with,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2748" data-t="2748">the CIA,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2749" data-t="2749">you know, and stuff like that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2751" data-t="2751">And so,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2754">45:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2754" data-t="2754">yeah, just follow our lead, and, we'll we'll keep you updated on</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2759" data-t="2759">on Sailor's big moves.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2763">46:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2763" data-t="2763">I think everything's gonna work out, guys. I do. But I think we do need to keep the government a little bit more accountable.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2770">46:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2770" data-t="2770">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2771" data-t="2771">I mean, what what do you think some of the ways for the best ways for individuals</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2777" data-t="2777">to to engage in in civil disobedience</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2781" data-t="2781">over what's happening to the samurai guys is?</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2785">46:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2785" data-t="2785">Well, I mean, one thing is to keep using</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2790" data-t="2790">nonstudio</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2791" data-t="2791">lightning wallets and not and using open scores</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2794" data-t="2794">when mixing or join point killing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2797" data-t="2797">But it also means</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2799" data-t="2799">supporting each other. I mean, we had,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2802">46:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2802" data-t="2802">Phoenix wallet, which was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2804" data-t="2804">ostensibly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2806" data-t="2806">noncustodial</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2807" data-t="2807">whitening wallet. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2810" data-t="2810">why?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2811" data-t="2811">Or is, yeah, these civil disobedience.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2814">46:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2814" data-t="2814">They pulled out of The US market.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2816" data-t="2816">And it turns out that Enid's wallet is made by Async, and they are French.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2821" data-t="2821">It's just it's just very disappointing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2823" data-t="2823">that when when France was was async the Nazis,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2828" data-t="2828">we we saved their. And as we are facing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2832" data-t="2832">government who is</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2833">47:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2833" data-t="2833">attacking us and attacking our privacy,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2836" data-t="2836">they just they just pull away as and when we need them to.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2843">47:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2843" data-t="2843">Do you I know Ledger is also French. Do you think this will implicate them</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2848" data-t="2848">at all and they'll have a, hasty retreat as well for getting I think all the history. I think Ledger is so committed to compliance</span></span></p>
+
+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2856">47:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2856" data-t="2856">that they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2858" data-t="2858">they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2859" data-t="2859">it's hard it's hard to know what they're gonna do anymore, but I think that they're just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2862" data-t="2862">I don't think anybody's going to attack them. I think if they were gonna be attacked,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2867" data-t="2867">they would by now, and maybe they already were, and they're actually just operating as an arm for the European or the US governments,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2875" data-t="2875">and they don't tell us. And it's kinda strange that nobody has,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2879">47:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2879" data-t="2879">really come after them as the biggest</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2882" data-t="2882">old storage wallet,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2883" data-t="2883">in the industry. It has been for a long time.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2887">48:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2887" data-t="2887">Well, it it's interesting because I noticed that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2891" data-t="2891">they've been interacting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2893" data-t="2893">and sponsoring different</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2895" data-t="2895">groups from PodCon, like Bitcoin Magazine</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2898" data-t="2898">recently. So maybe that's part of the reason why they get a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2902" data-t="2902">They get a pass. They don't have the scrutiny. Yeah. Yeah. That that could make sense.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2908">48:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2908" data-t="2908">Yeah. I know. I I saw Rizzo shelling,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2911" data-t="2911">or,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2912" data-t="2912">yeah, shelling,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2914" data-t="2914">Ledger really hard the other day on a stream.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2917" data-t="2917">And I was kinda I was kinda surprised, but, you know, PodConv is gonna do what PodConv is gonna do.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2923">48:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2923" data-t="2923">Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Maybe all of the all of the ethnicity</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2929" data-t="2929">and the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2932" data-t="2932">controversy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2933" data-t="2933">that was surrounding Ledger last year. Maybe it was the year before. I don't know. They've they've been sponsoring Peter McCormack's podcast since then. So maybe they maybe their sponsorships</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2944" data-t="2944">bringed up the the reputation.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2946" data-t="2946">Gives them a pass</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2948">49:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2948" data-t="2948">now.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2949">49:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2949" data-t="2949">Yeah. I mean, it's there there's not a whole lot of standards for sponsorships</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2954" data-t="2954">when it comes to PodCon.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2958" data-t="2958">That's true.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2960" data-t="2960">It's bummer. I mean, when you're when you're a journalist, you you vet your,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2964">49:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2964" data-t="2964">your sponsors in the same way that you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2967" data-t="2967">you vet your customers.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2968" data-t="2968">Bet your customer.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2970">49:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2970" data-t="2970">I mean Yes. You</span></span></p>
+
+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2972">49:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2972" data-t="2972">it's like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2973" data-t="2973">if somebody wants to to get on your platform and you wanna charge them to use Bitcoin custodially,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2979" data-t="2979">you need to know them pretty well.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2982" data-t="2982">It's everything about them, their Social Security number, for god's sake. Like, how how many people do you really share that with other than your your Bitcoin custodian and your doctor?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2992" data-t="2992">But it's like but somebody wants to sponsor your podcast. You don't ask questions. You don't get to know them. You just take their size, their money. And it maybe if you got to know them a little better,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3003" data-t="3003">it would</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3004">50:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3004" data-t="3004">be you'd be a a more healthy relationship.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3008">50:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3008" data-t="3008">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3012" data-t="3012">So I I just had a thought go through my head. So last week,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3016" data-t="3016">we,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3017" data-t="3017">we were talking about compliance a whole lot, and we made it a rule on our show to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3023" data-t="3023">that for people to continue listening, they would have to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3027" data-t="3027">send our KYC data in. And</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3030">50:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3030" data-t="3030">and only, like, 1%</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3032" data-t="3032">of our listeners sent their KYC data in. But I I'm wondering what we should do with the data that we collected now that we don't support that activity anymore.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3043">50:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3043" data-t="3043">Nah. Maybe, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3047" data-t="3047">we can't give it to the government.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3051" data-t="3051">But we could keep it. I mean, we could just store it in the database. Like, a lot of these companies, they don't give your KYC data to the government right away. They just keep them in a database,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3061" data-t="3061">which is sitting there for anybody to come,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3065" data-t="3065">to look at</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3066" data-t="3066">or</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3067">51:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3067" data-t="3067">to come you, and then they could say, hey.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3069" data-t="3069">I I could use this data</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3071" data-t="3071">for marketing. Right? So you could sell that data</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3074" data-t="3074">for marketing, and those people could</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3076" data-t="3076">better</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3077" data-t="3077">figure out</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3078">51:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3078" data-t="3078">what you care about, what you value,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3080" data-t="3080">and make sure that you are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3084" data-t="3084">that you are you're seeing those ads. You're you're able to hear these .com</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3088" data-t="3088">podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3089" data-t="3089">And the advertisers are speaking to you because they have your data.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3094" data-t="3094">And as long as they're in a database that are it's only being sold to these other .com compliant companies and it goes to their databases,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3102">51:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3102" data-t="3102">That's that's what we wanna keep happening. Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3105" data-t="3105">it gets into the wrong hands that goes into, like, a dark web database, then people might use that to become,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3112" data-t="3112">your owls, right, to come try to steal your Bitcoin or to email you and you need to click on a phishing link so they could steal your Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3120" data-t="3120">As long as it doesn't have we don't want those people to get that data. We wanna keep it in all of the compliant databases</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3126" data-t="3126">so that only we can only use it to, like, advertise to you, not not for, like, a an affiliate person</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3132" data-t="3132">to reinsteal your Bitcoin in a very</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3135">52:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3135" data-t="3135">illegal way.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3138">52:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3138" data-t="3138">Yeah. Yeah. So it sounds like the two,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3141" data-t="3141">the two options are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3144" data-t="3144">to either HODL the KYC data or to sell it to a private company that's not the government.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3152" data-t="3152">Am I kinda understanding correctly?</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3154">52:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3154" data-t="3154">Yeah. I think so. I think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3157" data-t="3157">your shareholders yes. Your shareholders and your investors, if you were to just delete that data, they would probably consider that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3166" data-t="3166">Like, they're like, they would probably fire you for it, so you have to monetize it.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3172">52:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3172" data-t="3172">Yeah. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3174" data-t="3174">Jimmy Jimmy Song talks about why it's important to make sure your VCs don't fire you. And and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3180" data-t="3180">it's because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3182" data-t="3182">the venture capitalists,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3184" data-t="3184">they they're much more experienced,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3187" data-t="3187">than the actual founders of the company, and so they know the best ways to to monetize everything and and make it work correctly.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3195">53:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3195" data-t="3195">Right. They understand. Yeah. They they understand exactly how to give customers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3199" data-t="3199">the best privacy, the best experience, and it it always aligns with</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3203" data-t="3203">allocating capital efficiently. That's what venture capital do. They allocate capital efficiently</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3209" data-t="3209">so they can make a profit, and their profit relies on basically</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3215" data-t="3215">your experience and your data being protected.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3219">53:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3219" data-t="3219">Yeah. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3221" data-t="3221">it's it's not just about them</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3226" data-t="3226">helping on the business side, but it's also that VCs also tend to be very aligned with the Bitcoin ethos of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3233" data-t="3233">of kind of the cypherpunk movement.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3236">53:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3236" data-t="3236">Right. Right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3239" data-t="3239">A venture capitalist and a cypherpunk,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3242" data-t="3242">they have so much in common. You know, one of them is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3245" data-t="3245">is using encryption to fight the state, whereas the VCs</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3249" data-t="3249">are are using investments.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3251" data-t="3251">You</span></span></p>
+
+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3254">54:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3254" data-t="3254">pay the state more</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3255" data-t="3255">in taxes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3257" data-t="3257">And it's it's all on attack. You have to get</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3261" data-t="3261">you have to get tax</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3263" data-t="3263">rates, tax write offs first. You're actually</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3266" data-t="3266">undermining the state by</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3268">54:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3268" data-t="3268">taking those.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3270" data-t="3270">They're obviously, they're very they're pretty much the same thing, Cypherpunks, and PC.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3276">54:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3276" data-t="3276">Yeah. That makes sense.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3278" data-t="3278">Well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3280" data-t="3280">I think we should wrap up by, reading the fountain boost real quick.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3285">54:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3285" data-t="3285">Let's do that.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3287">54:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3287" data-t="3287">Alright. Let's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3289" data-t="3289">let's split them off. I'll I'll start with John. So John sent us 21,000</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3294" data-t="3294">sets</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3295" data-t="3295">and said, Podkoff is a great evil.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3298" data-t="3298">We, the ungovernable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3299" data-t="3299">misfits, will not yield to compliance mandates that infringe upon our inherent right to privacy</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3305">55:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3305" data-t="3305">in the pursuit of freedom and sovereignty.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3308" data-t="3308">Fuck Podkoff.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3309" data-t="3309">So it sounds like John is, he's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3311" data-t="3311">on the board with,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3313" data-t="3313">being,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3315" data-t="3315">noncompliant</span></span></p>
+
+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3316">55:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3316" data-t="3316">with, PodConf and with the government. And so it's it's it's pretty encouraging to hear we've got at least one person,</span></span></p>
+
+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3323">55:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3323" data-t="3323">understanding what we're talking about. Well, thank you, John. And and, honestly, right below that, we've got fundamentals</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3329" data-t="3329">to send us 5,000 sats. Fuck.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3333" data-t="3333">Fuck. Fuck. Go with your other spot.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3336" data-t="3336">Well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3338" data-t="3338">we really do appreciate the emotional enthusiasm</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3342" data-t="3342">fundamentals. And, yes, fuck Podkoff and and propose civil disobedience now.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3347">55:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3347" data-t="3347">And not all of our sponsors are messes we don't mean fuck all of them. So that's just a very excited fan. Only the PodCom. And if you're not PodCom, and you wanna sponsor us, we don't we definitely don't want anybody to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3360" data-t="3360">give a thank you. So thank you fundamentals.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3363" data-t="3363">Just tone it down a bit.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3365">56:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3365" data-t="3365">Yeah. Agreed.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3367" data-t="3367">One of our favorites,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3369" data-t="3369">Orange Mart, said thank you for your persistent compliance and commitment to NGU technology. Well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3375" data-t="3375">Orange Mart, we're we're no longer really committed to compliance, but we are committed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3380" data-t="3380">to NGU technology</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3381" data-t="3381">a 100%.</span></span></p>
+
+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3382">56:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3382" data-t="3382">Right. And and this was, posted</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3385" data-t="3385">this six days ago. So we had not changed our mind about compliance yet. So we can take credit</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3391" data-t="3391">for your, for your thank thank you. Because at the time, we worked correct, but we have changed.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3399">56:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3399" data-t="3399">Yeah. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3401" data-t="3401">I guess,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3402" data-t="3402">what's important to understand</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3406" data-t="3406">is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3408" data-t="3408">like, I think that we're gonna come to the conclusion after doing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3412" data-t="3412">enough research</span></span></p>
+
+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3414">56:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3414" data-t="3414">that, the only solution if you're noncompliant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3418" data-t="3418">to, like, replace NGU,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3421" data-t="3421">forces</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3423" data-t="3423">is by supporting degeneracy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3425" data-t="3425">like ordinals.</span></span></p>
+
+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3428">57:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3428" data-t="3428">Well, yeah,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3430" data-t="3430">it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3432" data-t="3432">a bit shift.</span></span></p>
+
+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3438">57:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3438" data-t="3438">The next one is John again saying noncredential</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3442" data-t="3442">Bitcoin podcaster here.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3444" data-t="3444">You know, John, we'll we'll give you a pass, but you're really riding the edge,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3448" data-t="3448">by flaunting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3450" data-t="3450">that you don't have credentials. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3453" data-t="3453">you you should probably go back to school is my suggestion.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3456">57:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3456" data-t="3456">Like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3457" data-t="3457">I said, we're not gonna attack you anymore. But just think about the example you're setting to, like, you does your family,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3465" data-t="3465">does your community, does your listeners devalue</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3468" data-t="3468">as you're having a podcast, but you don't have the training and credentials to report to them the kind of signal that they deserve and respect from a podcast?</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3478">57:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3478" data-t="3478">Yeah. I mean, I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3480" data-t="3480">I think a pretty scary future is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3483" data-t="3483">a future where children don't understand the importance of credentialed individuals.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3488">58:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3488" data-t="3488">No. It's it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3490" data-t="3490">I just think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3492" data-t="3492">we're if we're all on the same mission and we're trying to provide our our</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3496" data-t="3496">people value, signal, and value,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3500" data-t="3500">just look inside. Think it is what I'm is what I'm doing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3504" data-t="3504">providing signal, or am I just giving them more noise? And if you don't have a degree,</span></span></p>
+
+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3509">58:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3509" data-t="3509">it's 99.9</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3510" data-t="3510">chance that you're just giving them more noise.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3514">58:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3514" data-t="3514">Yeah. Yeah. So clean it up, John.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3517" data-t="3517">Alright. You wanna get the next two?</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3520">58:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3520" data-t="3520">What is that, Rob? Ryan Ham, Rob Hamilton?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3523" data-t="3523">Like, noticing on fountain splits, it's outgoing to dick. Were you digging your smoking money, Rod?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3529" data-t="3529">And that's I am, Rob. We we have,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3531" data-t="3531">I'm getting all the pod comp,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3533" data-t="3533">money. That's why I got all the clothes. If you listen to the other episode, Rod was not Richard was not getting any of the T shirts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3540" data-t="3540">He had to buy his own because that's how we do it. I get the podcast money. He gets all of the,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3546">59:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3546" data-t="3546">bounty money. So thanks, Rob.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3549" data-t="3549">Then we got the oh, go ahead.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3551">59:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3551" data-t="3551">Well, I think it's important to understand so we made this decision with the fountain boost</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3557" data-t="3557">was,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3558" data-t="3558">all of them would route through me, and we we have an agreed upon split</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3563" data-t="3563">going</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3564" data-t="3564">beyond behind the scenes that we don't want to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3567" data-t="3567">you know, necessarily disclose at this time. But we felt it was better for me to act</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3572">59:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3572" data-t="3572">as an unlicensed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3573" data-t="3573">money transmitter</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3575" data-t="3575">to, give Rod his payouts versus doing, like, kind of this organic split thing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3581" data-t="3581">So we we moved it from, like, a compliant solution to a noncompliant solution.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3586">59:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3586" data-t="3586">Exactly. We're trying to live our ethos.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3591" data-t="3591">Now we've got,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3593" data-t="3593">at motions. He posted 1,000 sats.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3597" data-t="3597">Peace</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3599" data-t="3599">is war.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3600" data-t="3600">Hotcom</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3601">1:00:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3601" data-t="3601">is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3602" data-t="3602">information.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3603" data-t="3603">Brink's Sprite.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3605" data-t="3605">Thank you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3606" data-t="3606">That was a beautiful poem.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3610">1:00:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3610" data-t="3610">Yeah. Thank you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3614" data-t="3614">Next to Wild Hustle, just said 100.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3617" data-t="3617">Yeah. Keep it a 100, Wild Hustle. Thank you for your donation.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3623" data-t="3623">Your noncompliant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3624" data-t="3624">donation to us.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3625" data-t="3625">And then,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3627">1:00:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3627" data-t="3627">blazer four one five one says, I don't know if I'm supposed to be laughing, but I listened the whole time and enjoyed it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3634" data-t="3634">Ignorance is bliss.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3636" data-t="3636">Well, ignorance isn't bliss.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3639" data-t="3639">Ignorance has</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3640" data-t="3640">not listened to this podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3643" data-t="3643">actually,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3644">1:00:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3644" data-t="3644">which is not bliss. You know, individuals that listen to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3649" data-t="3649">the things that we're talking about, they're they're enlightened. They make better decisions. They they see</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3655" data-t="3655">they see the world. Like, you don't you don't even need to read Demandables to know what's coming next. You can just listen to the Beagle Weekly.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3662">1:01:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3662" data-t="3662">It sounds</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3663" data-t="3663">like there is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3664" data-t="3664">not really yeah. Maybe Blazar is ignorant.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3668" data-t="3668">But it sounds like he liked Adeagle.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3671" data-t="3671">And if he keeps listening or if she keeps listening,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3674" data-t="3674">maybe that, you know, listening to real journalists will fix the</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3681">1:01:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3681" data-t="3681">Yeah. I mean, real real journalism is, is definitely quite the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3687" data-t="3687">the healing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3688" data-t="3688">thing,</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3689">1:01:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3689" data-t="3689">the healing power. It was ignorance. Yeah. But the last one,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3693" data-t="3693">you got Safcide</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3694" data-t="3694">who placed 420</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3696" data-t="3696">Safs.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3697" data-t="3697">Kenobi can talk on spaces, but d plus plus can actually add.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3701" data-t="3701">Mute, Aaron, and Barbie brought to you by Bugle.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3704">1:01:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3704" data-t="3704">That was a that was a good one. We're still trying to work on getting those two together.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3709">1:01:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3709" data-t="3709">Yeah. I mean, I I think there's definitely some attraction,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3714" data-t="3714">being felt both ways. And I think they're they're excited, but they're also just a little bit nervous and intimidated by each other because, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3722" data-t="3722">even stars could be starstruck by other stars.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3726">1:02:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3726" data-t="3726">That's true. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3727" data-t="3727">it would seem pretty easy for influencers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3730" data-t="3730">to fall in love,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3732" data-t="3732">but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3733" data-t="3733">they're really insecure.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3734" data-t="3734">I think that, we can better encourage them. Maybe reach out to them and encourage this love and relationship.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3740">1:02:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3740" data-t="3740">Let them know that as somebody who likes to consume, influence their content, and it's it's a a storyline you would like them to pursue.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3750">1:02:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3750" data-t="3750">Yeah. I mean, I I know Shinobi would probably</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3754" data-t="3754">feel really good if you brought this up to him in Twitter spaces. You know, when he's arguing with Terrence Yang</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3761" data-t="3761">about ordinals, just just encourage him and say, hey, man. Like, you're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3766" data-t="3766">you're ready you're ready for the the big leagues here. You can,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3770" data-t="3770">you can really, be worthy of d plus plus.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3774">1:02:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3774" data-t="3774">Yeah. Indeed, plus plus, I mean, there's it's almost a meme at this point where Earl sees a guy like Shinobi and thinks I can change him. You could you could change him. You could be the one that taught Shinobi how to code. That would be pretty cool.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3789">1:03:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3789" data-t="3789">Yeah. Hopefully hopefully, she beats,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3791" data-t="3791">Jimmy's song to it because I know he's been working on it as well.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3796" data-t="3796">Well, anyways,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3797" data-t="3797">you got any final thoughts, Rob?</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3800">1:03:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3800" data-t="3800">Listen, just state philosophy out there. I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3804" data-t="3804">that your opportunity to show your civil disobedience, your civil noncompliant,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3810" data-t="3810">I think it's time to start thinking about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3812" data-t="3812">what that could be, how you could contribute,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3815" data-t="3815">figure out how how we can civilly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3818" data-t="3818">non comply</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3819">1:03:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3819" data-t="3819">together.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3822">1:03:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3822" data-t="3822">Well, I know one thing I'll be doing this week, I'll be going and buying some,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3827" data-t="3827">some raw milk from the Amish milkman.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3832">1:03:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3832" data-t="3832">Yeah. I need to get some, some more grass fed steak and some raw milk myself.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3837" data-t="3837">I took my</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3838" data-t="3838">my testosterone,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3840" data-t="3840">levels the other day, and they were only 10% above normal, which is, you know, soy,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3845" data-t="3845">boy,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3846" data-t="3846">simple bullshit. I need to get that shit higher.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3850">1:04:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3850" data-t="3850">Yeah. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3851" data-t="3851">but I think, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3853" data-t="3853">every good</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3855" data-t="3855">doctor will tell you the first step to raising your t is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3860" data-t="3860">to read the Bitcoin standard and then go listen to Andrew Tate right afterwards.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3865">1:04:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3865" data-t="3865">Yeah. And just like you've been saying on, Bitcoin Twitter recently,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3869" data-t="3869">from,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3870" data-t="3870">experts,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3871" data-t="3871">cholesterol doesn't matter. So you can keep eating state, and high cholesterol is not bad for you. It actually is the government doesn't want you to have high testosterone because people with high testosterone and high cholesterol,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3884" data-t="3884">they're less compliant.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3888">1:04:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3888" data-t="3888">Makes a lot of sense.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3890" data-t="3890">Well, thank you for tuning in to the Bugle weekly podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3894" data-t="3894">We'll see you guys next week. Bye.</span></span></p>
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+<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3899">1:04:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3899" data-t="3899">Thanks for listening to the Bugle weekly podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3901" data-t="3901">There has been a shift in seasons as Rod and Dick are now exploring using civil disobedience in order to force the government to be compliant.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3909" data-t="3909">It should not be illegal to launder money for government agencies in a democracy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3913" data-t="3913">We are all coming to grips with the fact that despite how hard we comply,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3917" data-t="3917">in the end, it doesn't even matter.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3919" data-t="3919">The United States just does not seem as free as it used to be, and we need to look for ways to restore it to the republic we were taught it once was in public schools.</span></span></p>
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