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Podcasters</span> <span class="cue" id="t-28" data-t="28">are on Wall Street.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-30" data-t="30">They're on Bloomberg.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-31" data-t="31">They're in the White House.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-34">0:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-34" data-t="34">But there is one woman who's played a critical role in all of this happening, a true pioneer.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-41" data-t="41">She helped launch the first publicly traded paper Bitcoin stock in North America.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-46" data-t="46">A woman worth climbing a mountain and crossing a river to get on your Bitcoin podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-53" data-t="53">Joining us tonight is the Canadian queen of paper Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-58" data-t="58">The Vibe2flow</span> <span class="cue" id="t-59" data-t="59">strategist at Vibes Capital Management,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-62">1:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-62" data-t="62">a self described</span> <span class="cue" id="t-63" data-t="63">skirt coiner,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-65" data-t="65">Magdalena</span> <span class="cue" id="t-67" data-t="67">Granowska.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-68">1:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-68" data-t="68">How are you doing tonight? I hope I didn't butcher your name too bad. No. That actually was very impressive. Most people know you as Crypto Max on, on a timeline on social media</span> <span class="cue" id="t-79" data-t="79">for Bitcoin podcasts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-82" data-t="82">But I think it's interesting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-85" data-t="85">that this paper Bitcoin summer that we're going through right now, that it started</span> <span class="cue" id="t-91" data-t="91">in Canada,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-92" data-t="92">with something you worked on. Like, you are that's why you're called the Canadian queen of paper Bitcoin summer. It it can explain your role and what and why that was,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-103">1:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-103" data-t="103">significant in history</span> <span class="cue" id="t-104" data-t="104">in this context.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-106">1:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-106" data-t="106">I love it. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-108" data-t="108">everybody's like, oh,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-110" data-t="110">it's the golden age of crypto in The US. But long before that, it was the golden age of the the maple syrup golden liquid golden age</span> <span class="cue" id="t-119" data-t="119">of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-120" data-t="120">of Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-121" data-t="121">Back in Canada</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-123">2:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-123" data-t="123">in 2019,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-124" data-t="124">2020</span> <span class="cue" id="t-125" data-t="125">is when we launched the first Canadian Bitcoin fund on the Toronto Stock Exchange. But what's interesting is just like Grayscale</span> <span class="cue" id="t-132" data-t="132">took the securities commission to court, we took</span> <span class="cue" id="t-136" data-t="136">the Canadian Ontario Securities Commission to court about because they are like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-141" data-t="141">no</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-142">2:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-142" data-t="142">retail investors. They they cannot invest. Like, it's not in their public interest to buy Bitcoin, right,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-149" data-t="149">on</span> <span class="cue" id="t-150" data-t="150">on the stock exchange. And we're like, yes. It is. Right? There were a whole that was kind of the main crux of the problem.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-156" data-t="156">And so that was like a three year court battle that accumulated in a '26 page ruling that said, yes. It actually is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-165" data-t="165">in the public interest</span> <span class="cue" id="t-166" data-t="166">for</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-167">2:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-167" data-t="167">investors to buy paper Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-170" data-t="170">And so Incredible.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-172" data-t="172">I know. It it that's where it began in Canada.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-176">2:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-176" data-t="176">So everybody</span> <span class="cue" id="t-178" data-t="178">has been</span> <span class="cue" id="t-179" data-t="179">praising Dennis Porter</span> <span class="cue" id="t-181" data-t="181">for all these laws he's been getting passed. People have been talking about Canada needs a Dennis Porter. But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-187" data-t="187">the right for retail</span> <span class="cue" id="t-189" data-t="189">to buy paper Bitcoin</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-192">3:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-192" data-t="192">is all a result of work that you did and and fight a fight that you took to you, the courts in Canada, to make possible.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-201" data-t="201">It's like retail can buy paper Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-203" data-t="203">thanks in large part to you.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-206">3:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-206" data-t="206">Totally. I a point point see, like like, the lawyer hat. I'm not a lawyer, but because I I didn't actually do the fighting court. That that was, the team prior to myself joining. I helped with the initial IPO. But I did get to attend</span> <span class="cue" id="t-219" data-t="219">the the court session, and it was quite entertaining listening to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-223" data-t="223">well, basically, they didn't have many strong arguments. They were pulling, like, random obscure. I'd never heard of articles,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-230" data-t="230">like, in their official court</span> <span class="cue" id="t-232" data-t="232">evidence.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-233" data-t="233">Meanwhile,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-234">3:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-234" data-t="234">three I q is throwing down, like, analysis after analysis,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-238" data-t="238">like, crunching the numbers from Coinbase and all, like, everywhere where you can get Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-244" data-t="244">data from, like, solid Bitcoin data, and they were just being eviscerated. At one point, I think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-251" data-t="251">the the three I q lawyer had asked if</span> <span class="cue" id="t-254" data-t="254">the person on the stand, which was one of the commissioners or or workers at the securities commissions, that they own Bitcoin, and they said yes. And it was just so beautiful.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-264" data-t="264">So, yes, I got to witness this, but then I helped with the IPO. And that, of course, paved the way for all the Canadian Bitcoin ETFs.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-272">4:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-272" data-t="272">So yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-274">4:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-274" data-t="274">Did you</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-276">4:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-276" data-t="276">when when when you when when you guys these guys went public with this company and it was on the, it became</span> <span class="cue" id="t-282" data-t="282">traded</span> <span class="cue" id="t-283" data-t="283">on the stock exchange,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-285" data-t="285">did you oh, did you think were you expecting a big bull market? Were you expecting NGU? Were you expecting paper Bitcoin summer to happen sooner? Or or were you a little disappointed you have to lower your time preference a little bit? Oh my god. It was the worst time to, like, to launch the IPO.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-300">5:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-300" data-t="300">It was literally</span> <span class="cue" id="t-302" data-t="302">during</span> <span class="cue" id="t-304" data-t="304">the risk the massive risk off moment in 2020. Remember when Bitcoin fell to, like, let's say, like, 14? It it was, like, the worst time. It was that I think we had to delay it by a few weeks</span> <span class="cue" id="t-315" data-t="315">because suddenly, like, we were facing with this, like, massive demand and and and concern.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-321" data-t="321">So it was it was, like was it Bitcoin winter, I guess?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-328">5:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-328" data-t="328">Interesting. So now we now now we</span> <span class="cue" id="t-331" data-t="331">fast forward six years later, five years later, and it's like Bitcoin treasury company media.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-339" data-t="339">Yeah, Paper Bitcoin summer is, like you said, in full swing. It's everywhere. It's like a new company, a new podcaster is getting announced every week.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-347" data-t="347">Do do you think did</span> <span class="cue" id="t-351" data-t="351">do you think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-352" data-t="352">you wish that you had a podcaster back then? Do you think that it would have sped things up if you didn't just have this company,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-359">5:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-359" data-t="359">but there was a podcaster that you hired as well?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-363">6:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-363" data-t="363">Yeah. Right? I think I think we shoulda had a podcaster. I think we shoulda had a big podcaster, like, oh, I don't know, Breedlove. He's pretty big. Right? Or or mister McCormack.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-374" data-t="374">Mister what was he calling himself? He's been getting bigger recently. No. I know he has, but he called himself mister,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-382" data-t="382">obnoxious</span> <span class="cue" id="t-383" data-t="383">before he said that he</span> <span class="cue" id="t-385" data-t="385">had an obnoxious podcaster.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-388" data-t="388">They would would have sent us to the moon. Would would have blown right through Bitcoin spring right into summer if if that had happened, I think.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-396">6:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-396" data-t="396">Totally.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-397" data-t="397">Well, one thing that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-400" data-t="400">I'd like to get your thoughts on is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-402" data-t="402">you know, for a while, America and Canada were pretty neck and neck. Canada had</span> <span class="cue" id="t-408" data-t="408">a pretty strong lead</span> <span class="cue" id="t-411" data-t="411">in the battle between who was gonna break a 100 k first. So Canada took the v victory on that. They hit a 100 k Bitcoin</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-419">6:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-419" data-t="419">before</span> <span class="cue" id="t-420" data-t="420">America.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-421" data-t="421">At the time,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-423" data-t="423">America wasn't as friendly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-425" data-t="425">or they were just starting to become friendly to paper Bitcoin. Do you think your,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-430" data-t="430">role in getting Canada to go on a paper Bitcoin standard</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-436">7:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-436" data-t="436">is the driving reason why Canada hit 100</span> <span class="cue" id="t-440" data-t="440">first?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-442">7:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-442" data-t="442">I think Canada's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-443" data-t="443">it it's tricky. Let let me backtrack. I mean, we had the Canadian Mint released digital cash in, like, 2014.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-450" data-t="450">There was they had a a project. So, you know, they were thinking ahead, of course.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-457" data-t="457">But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-458" data-t="458">when it came to crypto, what kind of hit it at a standstill was Quadriga. Right? We had our own FTX before FTX, and that was Quadriga. 200,000,000</span> <span class="cue" id="t-467" data-t="467">was lost, and Nate was just, like,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-469">7:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-469" data-t="469">he embezzled upon embezzled,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-472" data-t="472">was trading on other foreign exchanges and losing money. He's a terrible trader. Just bad.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-478" data-t="478">He's buying lavish vacations, a plane, a boat, a come you know, everybody needs a boat. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-484" data-t="484">And homes, like, multiple homes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-486" data-t="486">And I lost money in Quadriga, and, actually, I became,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-489" data-t="489">a court appointed</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-491">8:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-491" data-t="491">by the Supreme Court of Canada, bankruptcy inspector, which, actually, I'm still in that role. So when that happened,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-497" data-t="497">it was, like, within four months, the securities commissions came out with, like, a set of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-503" data-t="503">rules that they had developed that weren't necessarily</span> <span class="cue" id="t-506" data-t="506">the most sensical,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-508" data-t="508">but, like, you know, the pendulum swung hard, and that was kind of around that time too. Right? 2019.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-514" data-t="514">So it so I think that harmed</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-517">8:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-517" data-t="517">Canada. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-519" data-t="519">And it things became a lot tougher.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-521" data-t="521">We had our own debanking. We had our own OCP two point o,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-525" data-t="525">and I don't know if that was influenced by The US or not. But, I mean, there's companies that still are debanking,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-531" data-t="531">Canadian,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-532" data-t="532">companies or individuals. I you know, I'm in a lot of different chats.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-536">8:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-536" data-t="536">Some of them regulatory, and I just saw that one</span> <span class="cue" id="t-539" data-t="539">gentleman got debanked. I think it was a mining company. So it's still happening. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-543" data-t="543">Just like Jeremy,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-545" data-t="545">he's a he's a core developer in The US. Even though OCP is presumably dead, he got his bank was like, yep. Sorry. You have one day to figure out who's going to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-556" data-t="556">take your mortgage over because we're debanking you because we're not comfortable with what you're doing. So, yeah, I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-562" data-t="562">it was great, but it seems like especially with Trump coming in,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-567">9:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-567" data-t="567">things have just changed drastically. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-570" data-t="570">Trump coming in harmed Canada in the sense that it looked like Pierre was going to win, and we were going to go more conservative. We were going to be anti CBDC because that's sort of what he ran on. And instead, we got another Liberal that is, like, full into CBDCs. Like, they're going all steam ahead. And it's really interesting too because if you look at</span> <span class="cue" id="t-592" data-t="592">the the Canadian,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-594" data-t="594">the Bank of Canada did a study a year, two years ago, about what Canadians think about CBDCs and, like, overwhelming, like, over 80%</span> <span class="cue" id="t-603" data-t="603">Canadians don't want a CBDC. They don't trust the government. And I think, actually, you know, they shot the government shot themselves in the foot with the, the protests, the truckers protest. Right? When Canadians saw how easy it is to shut off money. Right? And so I think maybe that played in a bit of</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-620">10:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-620" data-t="620">how that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-621" data-t="621">that is perceived. But, yeah, we're full steam ahead,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-625" data-t="625">not in a great kind of place. But I think we're still a little bit better than The UK. It's kinda scary what's going on over there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-632" data-t="632">Kinda depressing to talk about, guys. Speak for Bitcoin Summer's happier. Well, the the best consolation</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-638">10:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-638" data-t="638">is always</span> <span class="cue" id="t-640" data-t="640">doing better than The UK.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-642" data-t="642">At least you have that.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-644">10:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-644" data-t="644">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" data-t="644">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-646" data-t="646">what do you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-649" data-t="649">what do you think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-651" data-t="651">was so scary to Canadians about Donald Trump</span> <span class="cue" id="t-655" data-t="655">that made them</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-656">10:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-656" data-t="656">see what the what you what you saw and then vote for the central banker to be president. It's like, we want</span> <span class="cue" id="t-664" data-t="664">the CBDC central banker to be president</span> <span class="cue" id="t-667" data-t="667">or, you know, prime minister, excuse me, but, like, you know, the leader of this country.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-672" data-t="672">And are they do they have any buyer's remorse, or is it popular?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-678">11:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-678" data-t="678">I think he's still pretty popular, which is kind of frustrating.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-682" data-t="682">I think the main thing that happened was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-686" data-t="686">Trudeau didn't seem like a strong</span> <span class="cue" id="t-689" data-t="689">leader</span> <span class="cue" id="t-691" data-t="691">to put in front of Trump with all the trade wars.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-694" data-t="694">And so when Trudeau stepped down, Carney was seen as a much better alternative. And Trump even said he preferred,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-701">11:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-701" data-t="701">Carney</span> <span class="cue" id="t-702" data-t="702">over</span> <span class="cue" id="t-704" data-t="704">Pierre,</span> <span class="cue" data-t="704">which was kinda interesting because that's like, you know, conservatives kinda tend to stick together in a way.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-711" data-t="711">So that was you know, I think that's kinda what did us in. And, I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-716" data-t="716">at the end of the day, you know, affordability still sucks. Like, housing is insane. People cannot afford you know,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-724">12:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-724" data-t="724">anything even millennials, but, you know, the next the generations,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-728" data-t="728">what is it, Gen z's, Gen</span> <span class="cue" id="t-730" data-t="730">x's, or whatever,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-731" data-t="731">All those ones are having trouble, like, being able to buy property,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-735" data-t="735">because of where prices are day to day unaffordability.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-739" data-t="739">And so that is not</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-742">12:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-742" data-t="742">like, that was the Trudeau. It's like the Liberals' Trudeau. Right? Canada sold its gold. The loss of its gold under Trudeau.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-750" data-t="750">Money printing like never before with COVID,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-752" data-t="752">that legacy was still there. And, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-755" data-t="755">Pierre became a lot more popular because he was anti that and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-759" data-t="759">lowering government debt and and well, he was the shadow minister of finance, basically, so he would always,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-765" data-t="765">like, ream in about Canadian spending when he was speaking,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-771">12:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-771" data-t="771">like, when he had this the floor.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-773" data-t="773">But for some reason well, not for some reason. Like, the most important thing became fighting tariffs and feeling like they needed somebody strong for that. And for one reason or another, they thought Carney, you know, overwhelmingly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-785" data-t="785">So that was that was frustrating. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-790">13:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-790" data-t="790">Do the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-792" data-t="792">do the Canadian people is the is there a movement for Canada to have its own strategic Bitcoin reserve?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-798" data-t="798">Because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-799" data-t="799">it's it's it seems like there are Bitcoin treasury companies</span> <span class="cue" id="t-803" data-t="803">popping up in Canada. And so we're gonna talk about, like, what's your role with the Bitcoin treasury companies? But is there any movement</span> <span class="cue" id="t-811" data-t="811">first for, like, a strategic</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-813">13:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-813" data-t="813">Canadian Bitcoiners? It sounds like no. It sounds like they they just wanna sell their gold. But they didn't sell their gold to buy Bitcoin. They sold the gold</span> <span class="cue" id="t-821" data-t="821">to To buy US treasuries.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-823" data-t="823">Buy US treasuries. One of the things. Maybe yeah. Because I wrote an article actually No. That Canada needs a a strategic,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-830">13:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-830" data-t="830">reserve,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-831" data-t="831">in, I think, in November.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-833" data-t="833">And but I mean Trudeau, like, he publicly spoke out against Bitcoin. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-839" data-t="839">He slammed Pierre,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-841" data-t="841">for talking about Bitcoin and saying, like, oh, if you had invested in bit like, when when Bitcoin had fallen from 70 or 69 to where whatever it fell at, he was like, oh, you had listened to Pierre. You'd be down x amount. So then Pierre had to kind of be careful not talking about it for a while.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-858" data-t="858">So</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-860">14:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-860" data-t="860">definitely not with the Liberals. They want their CBDC money.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-864" data-t="864">If there is a chance now I I don't see them at all moving towards</span> <span class="cue" id="t-868" data-t="868">Bitcoin, but if there is a chance it will be at the equivalent of state level, which is Alberta. Right? The Texas of Canada.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-876" data-t="876">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-878" data-t="878">their the government is very different. They're very supportive of Bitcoin mining. Two ministers,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-883" data-t="883">have so the mining file with them. They have MOUs, sorry, memorandums of understanding with Texas</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-890">14:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-890" data-t="890">around, like, technology sharing and and supporting companies that are in the mining space, for example, and and the blockchains well, broader blockchain. Because governments still love enterprise blockchain.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-901" data-t="901">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-903" data-t="903">yeah. And and so and they might they they would be much more willing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-909" data-t="909">to put Bitcoin on a reserve.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-912" data-t="912">I mean, they might some there's some interest to also just become a separate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-917" data-t="917">nation or seed</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-919">15:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-919" data-t="919">from Canada, but I don't I don't know how strong that movement is. Like, they're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-925" data-t="925">and I don't know what percentage vote that would need, but they are very, very different from the rest of Canada.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-933">15:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-933" data-t="933">Yeah. The one of the challenges</span> <span class="cue" id="t-936" data-t="936">with democracy in general</span> <span class="cue" id="t-938" data-t="938">is 99%</span> <span class="cue" id="t-940" data-t="940">of the voters don't listen to forty hours of Bitcoin podcasts a week.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-944">15:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-944" data-t="944">My dog listens to more Bitcoin podcasts than the average person.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-949">15:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-949" data-t="949">That that's a great bumper sticker.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-952" data-t="952">Right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-954" data-t="954">That'd be a great bumper sticker. But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-957" data-t="957">yeah. I mean, what do what do you see the the outlook looking like for Canada? So we we talked to a lot of Canadians. They think that Alberta, you know, might secede.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-966" data-t="966">Alberta's landlocked, so that's kind of a precarious situation.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-969" data-t="969">You know, you never wanna be surrounded on all sides by communists. That's a bad idea,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-975">16:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-975" data-t="975">historically. Like, what do you what do you see as the outlook for Canada? What do you think the average Canadian should be doing? Should they be going and doing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-983" data-t="983">a a Citadel and and Costa Rica and hanging out with that guy with the crazy hair that's always on Nostra or or</span> <span class="cue" id="t-991" data-t="991">the guy that you know, you don't talk about the guy that always posts the shirtless pictures? I'm sure you know who I'm talking about. Oh.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-999">16:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-999" data-t="999">So I I think things are gonna get harder for Canadians.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1002" data-t="1002">I think they're going to continue</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1004" data-t="1004">with the money printing, obviously. Right? We're we're in debt similar to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1009" data-t="1009">The US.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1011" data-t="1011">And I think where we're going is both higher taxes,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1016" data-t="1016">because, you know, we're in debt. But also there's there's because we're a little bit more leaning left slash commie</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1023">17:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1023" data-t="1023">people and just even honestly talking to my neighbors, they're very pro</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1028" data-t="1028">taxing the wealthy. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1031" data-t="1031">Before</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1033" data-t="1033">the election,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1035" data-t="1035">Trudeau actually wanted to raise the capital gains tax rate from 50 to 66%.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1040" data-t="1040">And I think the majority</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1042">17:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1042" data-t="1042">of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1043" data-t="1043">people, especially the ones that I talked to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1046" data-t="1046">were supportive of that. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1048" data-t="1048">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1050" data-t="1050">I think too, the debt is only going to get worse, so they're gonna look at different ways</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1056" data-t="1056">to raise</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1058">17:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1058" data-t="1058">money. And that could include,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1060" data-t="1060">so for example, if you have a home in Canada, my understanding is it's not the same in The US.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1064" data-t="1064">If you sell at your first your primary residence, you don't pay any capital gains tax. And you don't like, with the money printer, property values have gone excessive. Like, I remember</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1074" data-t="1074">five years ago,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1075" data-t="1075">sort of where I used to live in the Greater Toronto Area, if you're looking at, like, say, a townhouse,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1080" data-t="1080">it would be, like, $5,600,000</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1082">18:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1082" data-t="1082">Canadian, and now they're 901,000,001.1.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1087" data-t="1087">Right? That was just, like, five, six years ago. Like, it's it's massively</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1091" data-t="1091">gone up in price and, hence, the unaffordability.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1093" data-t="1093">But so if you were to sell that house because you made, like, 400,000</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1097" data-t="1097">in gains, you don't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1100" data-t="1100">get taxed on it because it was your primary residence. But I could see that getting taxed.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1104">18:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1104" data-t="1104">And the worst case would be, you know, the, what is it? The one that Australia is putting in is unrealized capital gains. I I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1112" data-t="1112">that that would just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1114" data-t="1114">I I know Canadians, like, wealthy Canadians are moving out, and some Bitcoiners have already left. Some are thinking of leaving.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1120" data-t="1120">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1121" data-t="1121">so I like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1124" data-t="1124">could you imagine? Like,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1126">18:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1126" data-t="1126">you're up, you're down, you know, you're go like, I don't even know how that would</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1130" data-t="1130">get Oh, okay. How that would work, how would it get valued. But not just from a Bitcoin perspective. Like, let's say you're starting a company. Right? How do you value your company,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1139" data-t="1139">and your equity? And then what if you are don't have any liquidity? Like, companies will not be forming in Canada or they'll be exiting Canada. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1147" data-t="1147">so so the productive people leave, and yet so who gets taxed? Right? It's it's it's a bad situation.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1153">19:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1153" data-t="1153">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1155" data-t="1155">With, like, the concentration</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1158" data-t="1158">of banking in you kind of these</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1161" data-t="1161">people in Canada are very concentrated. So, like, the this land is, like, so valuable. Because it's, like, close to, like, the the it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1168" data-t="1168">very limited. You got your main banks and you got the Canadian Central Bank. Do you think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1174" data-t="1174">a Tether stand, bringing bringing stable coins, bringing Tether</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1177">19:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1177" data-t="1177">into Canada, making it instead of the Canadian dollar, it just goes on the, you know, the reserve currency becomes Tether.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1184" data-t="1184">The people will be able to afford to build houses out in the tundra, out in the Yukon, out in Edmonton, outside of Winnipeg, instead of having to concentrate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1193" data-t="1193">in the city centers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1194" data-t="1194">because they can have, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1198" data-t="1198">easier access to the to the to the liquidity.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1202">20:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1202" data-t="1202">I am not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1204" data-t="1204">following</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1205" data-t="1205">sort of the two thoughts there. Because, a, I think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1208" data-t="1208">you you're sort of saying, like, having kinda sounder money by by owning I mean, we already own some treasuries, right, and some other,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1215" data-t="1215">it's not just treasuries, US treasuries. We own US dollars. We also own,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1220" data-t="1220">oh my gosh,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1221">20:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1221" data-t="1221">I think a little bit of the yen and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1225" data-t="1225">the pound. So there is some currency there, but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1229" data-t="1229">the other thing too is, like, yes, Canada is huge. For one,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1233" data-t="1233">you know, there are some communities that don't have natural gas or electricity because they're quite remote. But that said, you know, why do people concentrate here? It's it's the jobs. Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1242" data-t="1242">I'm privileged enough that I can do a lot of remote work. Yes. I still travel, etcetera.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1248" data-t="1248">But the majority of folks, they have to still, you know there's still that movement that you you have to come into the office, like, two or three times a week at least.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1257">20:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1257" data-t="1257">Some people, obviously, more.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1259" data-t="1259">And so there really isn't jobs. So, yes, you can buy a home for, like, 300,000</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1264" data-t="1264">Canadian in Yeah. You know, four hours north,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1268" data-t="1268">but what kind of jobs are there? Right? And how much are you making? So so if we're kinda stuck yeah. It doesn't it kinda doesn't work. So, you know, same thing. Like, my brother is younger than me, and they're having a hard time buying a house. So it's like, it makes me angry to see what the government has done.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1283" data-t="1283">And, of course, I think Bitcoin is one of the ways the one of the only ways that you can unless you're buying, like, Nvidia.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1290" data-t="1290">One of the only ways that you can afford for, you know, a down payment for a house. But</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1295">21:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1295" data-t="1295">that aside, you know, like, having those conversations of have you thought about moving, like, you know, one or the other person of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1303" data-t="1303">of of a of a relationship</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1305" data-t="1305">may not have that luxury because their job requires them to be, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1309" data-t="1309">right there in Right. In the city center. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1312">21:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1312" data-t="1312">And one of the this is what leads me to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1315" data-t="1315">this whole theme of paper Bitcoin summer, the Bitcoin treasury companies,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1320" data-t="1320">and podcasters,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1322" data-t="1322">is that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1323" data-t="1323">the more Bitcoin treasury companies that we launch and the more podcasters that are subsequently employed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1329" data-t="1329">by you can podcast. Where can you pod anywhere.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1332">22:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1332" data-t="1332">You don't have to live Downtown Toronto. You don't have to live Downtown Vancouver.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1336" data-t="1336">You can live,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1338" data-t="1338">outside the outside the city where things work because you could podcast from anywhere. So the more Bitcoin treasury companies and the more podcasting jobs, you wanna bring those</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1348" data-t="1348">to Canada.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1349" data-t="1349">And you yourself</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1350" data-t="1350">want to set the example</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1353">22:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1353" data-t="1353">because you're talking about I do. What what we what we preach every day</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1358" data-t="1358">on this podcast, on the timeline, is starting your own Bitcoin podcast. Damn right. So I'm starting my own Bitcoin podcast, gentlemen.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1367">22:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1367" data-t="1367">Boom. I'm Boom. So You know how some podcasters are like, oh, please,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1371" data-t="1371">sir. Please, ma'am. Can I have a Bitcoin treasury job? And it's like, no. I advised DDC, which is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1378" data-t="1378">really awesome because it's the first Bitcoin treasury company led by a woman.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1383" data-t="1383">But so I have already landed that, and I'm like, I gotta uno reverse this and launch my own podcast. Right?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1389">23:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1389" data-t="1389">Okay.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1391" data-t="1391">Well, here, the you we talked about this, I wanted to get into this, but you mentioned it. The first Bitcoin Treasury company,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1397" data-t="1397">founded by and lost by a woman. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1400" data-t="1400">how do you when you're going and you're marketing this and you're looking for investors and and such,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1407" data-t="1407">Let's just be honest. Women are known for liking to spend their Bitcoin. They like they go to Target. They see something. They see how do we know that the treasury</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1416" data-t="1416">is going to be HODLing and that is that the woman's</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1420">23:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1420" data-t="1420">who's leading this treasury is not gonna spend Orange the Bitcoin from the the the Bitcoin from Starves. Orange</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1426">23:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1426" data-t="1426">Starves. Is that what you're saying?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1429">23:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1429" data-t="1429">Right. Right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1431" data-t="1431">It is. It's not it's not your fault that that stereotype</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1435" data-t="1435">exists.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1436" data-t="1436">But how do you address it,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1439" data-t="1439">when you when you when you podcast, you know, and and promote it?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1444">24:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1444" data-t="1444">I had no idea that you gentlemen</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1446" data-t="1446">were going to think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1448" data-t="1448">that female led Bitcoin treasury companies are going on shopping sprees. Clearly, we need to think about our,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1456" data-t="1456">investor relations strategy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1459" data-t="1459">to make sure that these kinds of rumors are quashed.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1463">24:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1463" data-t="1463">Well, to to be fair, you know, men men also like to go on a lot of these guys like to go on,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1469" data-t="1469">spending sprees at all. I know there was that lawsuit against that mining company.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1474" data-t="1474">I believe it was it Compute North</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1476" data-t="1476">where the salesmen were going and blowing a bunch of money at the strip clubs?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1480">24:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1480" data-t="1480">I missed that. I remember,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1482" data-t="1482">I mean, was it 2017,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1484" data-t="1484">2018</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1485" data-t="1485">where there was, like, wild crypto parties? Right? I thought I thought those days were gone, gentlemen.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1493">24:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1493" data-t="1493">Oh, no. They're just beginning. The the Bitcoin Diddy parties, they're gonna be happening. No.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1499">24:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1499" data-t="1499">I'm not not a fan of it. Part bring back the yacht parties. That's very Bitcoin summer, guys.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1504">25:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1504" data-t="1504">I'm I'm not I'm not a fan of it, personally.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1508" data-t="1508">Of votes? I didn't. No. Of of Bitcoin ditty parties. I'd I'd plan on going to zero. That is a</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1515">25:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1515" data-t="1515">boo. No. Thank you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1517" data-t="1517">Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1518">25:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1518" data-t="1518">But I will say Yes? As long as those parties exist, as long as the Bilderberg group and all the conspiracy groups, all those exist. I'm not condoning them. I just think that they should include Bitcoin podcasters.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1531" data-t="1531">I think that that perspective would would would do a good job of aligning the incentives. If they're gonna exist, they should at least have a Bitcoin podcaster.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1540">25:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1540" data-t="1540">If if Canada asked you to represent them in Davos, how would you feel about going?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1545">25:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1545" data-t="1545">I think I'd like to attend.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1548" data-t="1548">I think we need to infiltrate. Right? If it like, look look at the white box. They just brought in BPI.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1554" data-t="1554">Right? Or or really, should I say</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1556">25:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1556" data-t="1556">BIA. Right? Bitcoin intelligence agency. That's right. That's right. We talked about this. We talked about our podcast and our orange pilling.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1565" data-t="1565">Inevitably orange pill a lot of feds. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1568" data-t="1568">the feds, they want a orange pill as well. So, like, we're in the CIA, we're in the FBI, we're in the White House, we're in the Oval Office, We're on Air Force. David Bailey's there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1578" data-t="1578">We're everywhere.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1580" data-t="1580">So is is it if you get invited to the Bohemian Grove to to to be the podcaster,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1586" data-t="1586">it's like, should you go? This is what Paper Bitcoin Summer's about. We're infecting</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1590">26:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1590" data-t="1590">every institution. There's no institution left standing that's not going to be impacted or affected by by Bitcoin through</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1598" data-t="1598">some mechanism. Right now, it's the securitization,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1602" data-t="1602">of Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1603" data-t="1603">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1604" data-t="1604">so, yeah, I just think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1606" data-t="1606">there should be a Bitcoin podcast or a Diddy party if they're gonna exist. And</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1610">26:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1610" data-t="1610">I don't wanna be a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1612" data-t="1612">Yeah. Or a Dabos. Yeah. I don't wanna be the one that does so. Or</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1616">26:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1616" data-t="1616">Tatum.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1618">26:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1618" data-t="1618">Tatum would probably be a good</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1620">27:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1620" data-t="1620">So I I think we we discussed on our show a long time ago,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1626" data-t="1626">some advantages that women have in selling meme coins and and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1630" data-t="1630">non KYC feet pics. And I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1634" data-t="1634">women</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1636" data-t="1636">have some</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1638" data-t="1638">inherent advantages</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1639">27:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1639" data-t="1639">in selling paper Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1642" data-t="1642">than men.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1643" data-t="1643">One of them one of the primary ones is it seems like women while while men are all distracted with technical analysis</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1650" data-t="1650">and glass node and, you know, trying to understand the macro, women</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1655" data-t="1655">have a tendency to be more predisposed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1657" data-t="1657">to astrology.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1660">27:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1660" data-t="1660">Which is really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1662" data-t="1662">almost like being really attuned to the vibes. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1666" data-t="1666">Vibe investing? Yes. Forget the spreadsheets. Just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1671" data-t="1671">invest based on vibes.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1674">27:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1674" data-t="1674">Yeah. It seems to work for it seems to work</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1677" data-t="1677">when practiced,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1679" data-t="1679">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1680" data-t="1680">very well. It's it's like it's like trade. Everybody wants to be a trader. Everybody can trade based on any system. But if you wanna trade based on vibes,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1688" data-t="1688">you gotta be a disciplined observer and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1691" data-t="1691">checker of vibes. You have to be able to vibe check yourself</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1695">28:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1695" data-t="1695">to be successful trading on vibes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1698" data-t="1698">And do you think that Bitcoin that paper Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1701" data-t="1701">lends itself</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1703" data-t="1703">to a five trader to be able to hone in on that?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1708">28:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1708" data-t="1708">I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1709" data-t="1709">or or if we're still talking about differences between the sexes, then, yes, I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1713" data-t="1713">there's definitely things that women might pick up on, just like we have more sensitive sense of smell. Right, more EQ,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1721" data-t="1721">emotional intelligence. I think, we our our</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1724" data-t="1724">Vibe radar might be a little bit more attuned there.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1727">28:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1727" data-t="1727">Do you think so a lot of these Bitcoin podcasters, they're they're stinky.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1732" data-t="1732">They don't have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1734" data-t="1734">the best personal hygiene.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1736">28:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1736" data-t="1736">They're yourself.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1739">28:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1739" data-t="1739">No. I'm a journalist. I've got I've got I've got professional training, and, I I wear suits to the office. I I've got great personal hygiene. Coiner?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1747" data-t="1747">I'm an adult is what I am. I I wouldn't call myself a suit coiner. I I I call myself a professional.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1754" data-t="1754">I'm an adult.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1755" data-t="1755">I'm a credentialed journalist. Yes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1759" data-t="1759">So, I mean, a lot of these guys, like, you know, they they've</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1762" data-t="1762">they've</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1763">29:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1763" data-t="1763">just coasted through life with, like, supercharged</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1766" data-t="1766">autism. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1768" data-t="1768">And now they're getting to these points</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1771" data-t="1771">where they have to don them the suit. They have to learn how to iron and press their shirts.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1777">29:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1777" data-t="1777">And tie their shoelaces. Right? Because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1780" data-t="1780">vibe check on mister Sam.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1782" data-t="1782">Yep. He did not tie his shoelaces correctly. And look where that let him with FTX.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1788">29:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1788" data-t="1788">Absolutely. Yeah. No. I mean, there's a major red flag when you when you have somebody wielding that much</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1793" data-t="1793">money and, they don't have per good personal hygiene. You know, Sam Bankman Fried, you look at him. He just he looks stinky.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1802">30:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1802" data-t="1802">I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1803" data-t="1803">do.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1804">30:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1804" data-t="1804">Yeah. I do. I think you're onto something, though. So there's a lot of I think my own personal,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1810">30:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1810" data-t="1810">opinion is there's a lot of autists</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1812" data-t="1812">and ADHDers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1814" data-t="1814">that are early, like, OGs</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1816" data-t="1816">because it took that, like, hyperfocus</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1818" data-t="1818">going down that rabbit hole,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1823" data-t="1823">like, where where I know not everyone believes</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1826">30:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1826" data-t="1826">being neurodivergent</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1827" data-t="1827">is a superpower, but I do think in in the case of going down the Bitcoin rabbit hole, it was.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1833">30:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1833" data-t="1833">There's trade offs. There's trade offs. Like, superpower and autism gets you really far in some ways.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1838" data-t="1838">In some ways, it makes things more difficult. But in a woman owns and ran paper Bitcoin company,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1845" data-t="1845">there's gonna be a lot less tolerance for stinkiness.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1850">30:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1850" data-t="1850">I I would agree.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1853">30:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1853" data-t="1853">And and do you think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1855" data-t="1855">David Bailey has what it takes to to get his company</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1859">30:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1859" data-t="1859">in line? David Bailey and Stephen Lovegood. They they even have Well, I mean, I haven't smelled David Bailey, so I don't know where the slime is. To the screen? No. I can't smell him through the screen. But mister Steven,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1872" data-t="1872">on the other hand, I think he's a very strong candidate. He seems like he takes baths. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1878" data-t="1878">between the Ice baths.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1880" data-t="1880">Shine ice baths, exactly. Between the sunshine</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1884">31:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1884" data-t="1884">and I don't know. I mean,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1886">31:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1886" data-t="1886">if you're if you're in Florida and you're outside a lot, you're just inherently stinky. You're in the swamp. You know what I mean? Well, well, I think I think to to expand this a little bit more, and I think to hone in on what you're talking about here, it's about discipline.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1900" data-t="1900">Because autism</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1902" data-t="1902">is a can can lead you down great rabbit holes, but it takes discipline to execute. And if you look at some of these other paper Bitcoin, you got,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1907" data-t="1907">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1908" data-t="1908">if you look at some of these other paper Bitcoin comp you got what we mentioned, David Bailey and Nakamoto,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1914" data-t="1914">there's Jack Mallers. He's always wearing a hoodie. He's got a broccoli haircut like a, like a zoomer.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1920">31:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1920" data-t="1920">You've got, Adam Back's got a noose back. Adam Back likes to wear hoodies and, you know, Hardo shorts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1927" data-t="1927">You've got these people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1929" data-t="1929">that we talk about it being, like, Suitcoin Summer or Skirtcoin Summer. Right? But it's help him out of the lobby. Right? She's she's advising,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1938">32:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1938" data-t="1938">Semler.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1939">32:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1939" data-t="1939">She's definitely That's true. So She she's not stinky.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1942">32:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1942" data-t="1942">No. So yeah. That's a good thing that Natalie and Joe Joe wears suits. But it'd be it'd be it'd be those two. And then you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1952" data-t="1952">with your with BTC, everybody else,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1954" data-t="1954">they're looking sloppy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1956" data-t="1956">That's your advantage right there that you are you're tuned in, you're disciplined, and you're gonna be focused to execute</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1963" data-t="1963">You're not wearing cargo shorts because that's the wrong vibe for Wall Street. Right? Like, that's the wrong vibe</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1969" data-t="1969">for for financial man for financial services.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1973">32:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1973" data-t="1973">I mean, honestly, there's a collision of fashion. Right? You've got</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1977" data-t="1977">your suit coiners, and then you've got the Steven Lukas of the world who are wearing their shirts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1983" data-t="1983">They're Vibe investing. It's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1985" data-t="1985">I don't know if the world is ready.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1987">33:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1987" data-t="1987">That's my that's that's just that is just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1990" data-t="1990">the, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1992" data-t="1992">the the the Patagonia</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1993" data-t="1993">vest that you would see on Wall Street, but that's when you get to Miami. Like, if some of these VIBE investors are living in South Florida, they're living in Miami, it's gonna be, like, the the paper Bitcoin summer tank,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2003" data-t="2003">and, you know, one of those big shoulder pad white,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2007" data-t="2007">jackets. That's that's that's still the that's Miami suit coin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2012">33:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2012" data-t="2012">Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2013">33:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2013" data-t="2013">You know, commenting on David Bailey real quick and and his stinkiness, he he looks like a guy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2019" data-t="2019">that used to be stinky,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2021" data-t="2021">but, you know, if you've ever seen any</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2024" data-t="2024">he he's married.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2026" data-t="2026">His wife doesn't look like she tolerates that, so she probably whips him in the shape on that front.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2031">33:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2031" data-t="2031">So, really, all Bitcoiners</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2033" data-t="2033">need girlfriends or and then wives?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2037">33:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2037" data-t="2037">Well, I I think they just need to grow up. You know? They they they need to stop calling themselves plabs.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2044" data-t="2044">Yeah. They need to go to men's warehouse.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2048" data-t="2048">Get some chairs. Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2050" data-t="2050">Go to men's warehouse, get a tailored suit.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2053" data-t="2053">Yeah. Thank you. The the whole renting a tuxedo for the sailor hundred k party and not having it tailored, it's just not gonna cut it anymore. I think you're onto something.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2063" data-t="2063">But what Why why is having a a women owned paper Bitcoin company</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2068">34:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2068" data-t="2068">important to you?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2071">34:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2071" data-t="2071">I think so. Religious. Yeah. I've been I've been around since 2017.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2079" data-t="2079">And, you know, back then it was really very male dominated.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2082" data-t="2082">Then I moved more into mining because my</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2085" data-t="2085">before Bitcoin, I was into energy and carbon markets,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2090" data-t="2090">and heavy industries, so like steel cement. So, like, mining was a better fit for me because then I could use my legacy knowledge.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2097" data-t="2097">And it was exciting. I love honestly, I love the stuff that's happening in Africa where they're powering communities that never had power before. Right? That that's the stuff that lights my eyes up.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2107">35:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2107" data-t="2107">And so but mining's super dominated by men as well.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2111" data-t="2111">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2114" data-t="2114">same thing, you know, seeing now, you know, Wall Street has traditionally</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2118" data-t="2118">been very male centered.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2119" data-t="2119">But I think what's interesting is, like, when we all talk about, like, everybody we're trying to get everybody into Bitcoin. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2126" data-t="2126">Having more females in Bitcoin to then connect with other females</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2131">35:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2131" data-t="2131">means that other women can start in, you know, investing in Bitcoin. Right? Because a lot of times we look to our friends or peers.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2137" data-t="2137">And the reasons,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2138" data-t="2138">so UBS,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2140" data-t="2140">one of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2141" data-t="2141">the larger wealth management,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2143" data-t="2143">banks in the world, So they did studies a couple years ago around</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2148">35:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2148" data-t="2148">why, you know, why do women invest versus why men invest, and and they tend to be different reasons.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2153" data-t="2153">So having those kind of stories permeate is helpful from, like, you know, the retail slash individual investor. But I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2161" data-t="2161">now we have a female leader, and this isn't about, like I hate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2165" data-t="2165">conferences that are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2166" data-t="2166">all about investing,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2168" data-t="2168">you know, like sorry. That that have women panels and women talk about being women. And it's like, no. Put the woman on the panel to talk about the mining or the treasuries or whatever. Like, because it's like, I don't care that you're juggling a family. Like, that's not what I'm here for. I wanna hear about your takes because you have succeeded. Right? They don't stick Lin on a woman's panel and talk about bullshit. Right? And so</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2192">36:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2192" data-t="2192">having a female</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2193" data-t="2193">treasury company,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2197" data-t="2197">leader,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2198" data-t="2198">it signals to other women that have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2201" data-t="2201">companies that they can invest too or maybe it will make them notice or more likely reach out to, for example, Norma and ask those questions. Right? Because they have a peer that they can connect with. Just like if, you know, you have a female friend versus your male crypto bros. Right? You might talk to your female friend more about Bitcoin. I think it's the same thing there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2224" data-t="2224">So so in terms of getting more</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2226">37:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2226" data-t="2226">companies and it's not just about, like, paper Bitcoin companies. That's it. You know? Like, Bitcoin treasury companies. It's there's so many companies out there that are zombie companies that are just you know, they're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2237" data-t="2237">yes. They have a stock, but they're down over time.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2240" data-t="2240">Like, it's the Mag seven, really. Whether it's the Canadian or or The US or other stock markets, there's so many that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2248" data-t="2248">don't have very good balance sheets. They're losing against inflation. So if not for the sake of necessarily just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2254" data-t="2254">becoming a Bitcoin treasury company, but having a female leader that bought Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2260" data-t="2260">means that other</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2261">37:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2261" data-t="2261">companies</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2262" data-t="2262">and corporates might have and that that are female led or, you know, might be able to have those discussions</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2268" data-t="2268">to just add Bitcoin to their balance sheet. Right? I know there's some Bitcoiners that are like, oh, no. Corporations are buying Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2276" data-t="2276">It's co opted. Well, no. Bitcoin was always</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2279" data-t="2279">for anyone or everyone,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2281" data-t="2281">potentially, even your enemy.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2283">38:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2283" data-t="2283">And so, you know, at some point, corporations were gonna buy it too, and governments.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2289" data-t="2289">Right? Some</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2290" data-t="2290">governments, whether those are The US or North Korea. Like, they're gonna own it because we're we're we're we're pretty much in the big leagues now.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2298" data-t="2298">Right. And having someone to talk to helps. So I think that's why it's pretty cool.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2303">38:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2303" data-t="2303">And it's it's really important,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2306" data-t="2306">I think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2307" data-t="2307">to to know, like, what we we talk about listening to forty hours of Bitcoin podcasts, but we can that applies to men and women equally,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2316" data-t="2316">in our advice. But it's harder</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2319" data-t="2319">for women to, I think, really get in to forty hours if they have to listen to male</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2325" data-t="2325">podcasts that include</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2327">38:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2327" data-t="2327">libertarian politics,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2329" data-t="2329">conspiracy theories, stuff about you. They just wanna hear about Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2332" data-t="2332">And when you have, like, you know, if you if you launch your podcast, that is another option in the forty hours per week to just get straight</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2341" data-t="2341">to the point about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2343" data-t="2343">learning about Bitcoin and some of these broader problems without without litigating all the politics.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2348">39:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2348" data-t="2348">Yeah. Because I think, you know, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2350" data-t="2350">what my podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2352" data-t="2352">mix is is probably very different from what your podcast mix is. And then sometimes I might go to, like, a show that I don't regularly listen to, but I'm like, oh, Lyn Alden. I wanna listen to Lyn again. Or, oh, I really wanna hear, from Cal about talking about the OG</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2367" data-t="2367">paper Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2368" data-t="2368">eCash. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2370" data-t="2370">So so, you know, I might hop around depending on the topic,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2373">39:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2373" data-t="2373">but I think, you know, there's certain voices that we're more likely to gravitate to. So there's always there's a podcast for you out there and you being, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2383" data-t="2383">the person who hasn't never listened to a podcast before.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2386" data-t="2386">So So I don't think it hurts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2389" data-t="2389">Hopefully, it will be,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2390" data-t="2390">you know, well received.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2393" data-t="2393">And also, yes. Like, some of the podcasts are a little</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2396">39:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2396" data-t="2396">boring,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2398" data-t="2398">so I have to bring a little bit of energy. Not all of them, but when it gets too serious, I think I think you gotta, like, brighten it up a little bit.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2406">40:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2406" data-t="2406">What</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2408" data-t="2408">what do you think are,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2411" data-t="2411">talk about that difference between, like, men and women's podcast mix and what they're listening to. What do you what are your speculations on what that looks like? I do speculate probably a lot more women listen to Nat Burnell versus, like, Peter McCormack, I would think, or or Breedlove.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2424">40:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2424" data-t="2424">Right? I I do think, like, there's that bit of a connection.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2428" data-t="2428">But also depends on sort of, like, what are you listening for? Like, for example, I always listen to the breakdown. Yes. That that's a mail, but it's, like, very short. Like, what did I miss in Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2438" data-t="2438">on on Twitter this week. Right? So there's the there's those kind of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2443" data-t="2443">ones.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2444" data-t="2444">I know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2445" data-t="2445">oh, what is her name? Oh my gosh.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2447">40:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2447" data-t="2447">She does kind of like a more</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2449" data-t="2449">spiritual,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2452" data-t="2452">oh my gosh. What's her name? She's blonde. True Heather?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2454">40:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2454" data-t="2454">No. True Heather? Oh. No. No. No.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2458">40:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2458" data-t="2458">Hell Money with Aaron, Redwing?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2461">41:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2461" data-t="2461">No. But she's clearly you're fat. A lot of podcasts that I don't know. But I think, like so so there some people talk about oh, it was, like, like, love and money or something. Anyways,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2471" data-t="2471">there's there's some people that maybe are more woo woo and spiritual, so that will appeal to them. Right? I think too so,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2478" data-t="2478">like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2479" data-t="2479">it's interesting. I was, I think I was hanging out with a few people, including Jeff Booth, and a few people were women,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2487" data-t="2487">and then there were the men there. Right? And Jeff Booth just for example of, like, opinions, deferring opinions. Right? Jeff Booth was very much about, like, sell your house or or don't buy a house yet because the price of homes keeps continues to drop. Right? It used to be, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2503" data-t="2503">400 Bitcoin and, like, 60 Bitcoin, a 4 Bitcoin to buy a house. Right? And and and I get that perspective.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2510">41:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2510" data-t="2510">But I think and but there was at least</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2514" data-t="2514">two of us, maybe three,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2516" data-t="2516">you know, women that were like, I understand this,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2519" data-t="2519">but, like, women</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2521" data-t="2521">like to have a home that they wanna call their own, where they can raise their children, their families. It's like you're not stressing about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2529" data-t="2529">paying down your your mortgage, or maybe it's a smaller mortgage.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2533">42:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2533" data-t="2533">And and also, like, we like to invite people in our homes. We like to host parties. And if that means that I can build a solid foundation for for my family, I do want to sell some Bitcoin and buy a house. It's a very divergent opinion that maybe will seem unrealistic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2547" data-t="2547">to, you know, women if they hear it on one you know, just one example of a type of conversation that I've seen. So I think, you know, bringing in different types of perspectives can help, because others will connect with them more. So question about Jeff Booth, is he</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2562">42:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2562" data-t="2562">as boring in person as he is to listen to on Bitcoin podcast?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2567">42:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2567" data-t="2567">I don't think so. I think when people get into a very serious Bitcoin talking mode,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2573" data-t="2573">they can it they can become that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2576" data-t="2576">Yeah. I think it's slightly different.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2578">42:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2578" data-t="2578">I got I gotta say, I I enjoyed reading his book, and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2582" data-t="2582">I enjoyed listening to him say the same thing, like, the first 10 times on podcast. But, like, ever since then, it's kinda gotten</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2589" data-t="2589">difficult.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2590" data-t="2590">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2592" data-t="2592">but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2593" data-t="2593">yeah. So,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2594">43:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2594" data-t="2594">I mean, that's that's all really fascinating.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2597" data-t="2597">That's a theme that, Sly Goomba</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2600" data-t="2600">and True Heather argued about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2602" data-t="2602">on, their podcast. Because True Heather said very similar stuff to you. Like, she she likes her things. She likes Yep. Having a house and stability, and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2613" data-t="2613">it's a it's a different perspective. And until a lot of these autistic orange shells, hearing that, it sounds like failing a purity test.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2621">43:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2621" data-t="2621">Right.</span> <span class="cue" data-t="2621">And and I think too, like like, where are you in your stage in right life? Right? Are you 20? Are you 30? Like, are you or are you 40, 50, 60?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2630" data-t="2630">And I think too that you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2634" data-t="2634">when you're young, you still have all this life ahead of you. You can take those risks. You can invest. But I think, like, honestly, myself too,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2641" data-t="2641">like, I would like to get a house. I'm pretty sick of renting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2645" data-t="2645">Like, yes. Bitcoin can still whatever. People are like, oh, it's still gonna turn x and whatever. It's like but I don't have those twenty years that, like, a twenty year old has</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2654">44:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2654" data-t="2654">to kind of you know, I've already roughed it. At some point, you have to just be like, you know what? This I wanna be comfortable. I would like my own house. I would like to invite, you know, like, when when family visits, have a room for them to stay in. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2670" data-t="2670">yeah, there's a point at which</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2672" data-t="2672">you want different things and, you know, not everyone's there. And I think that's sort of the difference too.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2679">44:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2679" data-t="2679">What? Yeah. One of the big steps and the big journeys</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2683" data-t="2683">of watching your first year, your own podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2686" data-t="2686">is deciding</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2688" data-t="2688">who who's gonna be your first guest. My first guest? Two things.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2692" data-t="2692">What the heck to call it? There's so many podcasts out there, guys. Like You need a logo. My god. You need a name. Yeah. And who's gonna be your first guest? So what are you what ideas have you had for both of those?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2705">45:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2705" data-t="2705">You know? Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, I already own pipperbitcoinsummer.com,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2712" data-t="2712">but but that's pretty niche. Right? I I was thinking of doing calling it Bitcoin summer because a little more happy, maybe attracts more women, but then I was, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2720" data-t="2720">doing some deep dives on with the AI on GROC and, and Chachipiti.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2725" data-t="2725">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2727" data-t="2727">it seems that like the more macro</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2729" data-t="2729">geopolitics,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2732">45:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2732" data-t="2732">type of, like, deep thinking is what is popular in podcasts. So then I'm like, I don't want so here's where I'm torn at. Right? I I want a podcast name that won't turn off necessarily someone that's like, ugh, it's a Bitcoin podcast. So do I go</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2747" data-t="2747">a little bit broader?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2749" data-t="2749">In my Vibes Capital Management group chat, and this is kind of like a silly name, but there were names it was, Meg Megsplaining,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2757" data-t="2757">like mansplaining.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2759" data-t="2759">I mean, it's silly. I just throwing out things. I thought that was a fun one. Alright.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2763">46:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2763" data-t="2763">Just don't just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2765" data-t="2765">don't call yourself</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2767" data-t="2767">miss obnoxious.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2768" data-t="2768">That's just the one you don't wanna do.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2771">46:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2771" data-t="2771">Exactly. Right? Do I call it something, like, geopolitically</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2775" data-t="2775">related</span> <span class="cue" data-t="2775">geopolitically related? It's it's a tough one. So I'm still kinda stuck on that.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2780">46:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2780" data-t="2780">I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2781" data-t="2781">I've got some thoughts. I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2784" data-t="2784">so I think it's really important for Bitcoiners, for Bitcoin podcasters</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2789" data-t="2789">to really understand</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2791" data-t="2791">that they're the shit.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2793" data-t="2793">They are the shit.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2794">46:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2794" data-t="2794">They're the ones that were right</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2798" data-t="2798">over and over and over again. They're just gonna continue to be right over and over again. And so I want you, you know, when you're going through this process,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2807" data-t="2807">to get in your nest nicest</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2809" data-t="2809">skirt suit, go look in the mirror.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2811">46:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2811" data-t="2811">Orange skirt suit. Yeah. And</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2814">46:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2814" data-t="2814">and just, like, have that like, when you as you look at yourself,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2818" data-t="2818">just, like, I'm</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2819" data-t="2819">the the absolute shit.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2822" data-t="2822">So, you know, like, here right now, I I I think a good name for it would just be the the Canadian Queen podcast.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2830">47:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2830" data-t="2830">It's funny because they think they're Yeah. You're you're the pioneer of, paper Bitcoin. There you go. Instead of the price instead of the price of tomorrow,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2839" data-t="2839">the pioneer</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2840" data-t="2840">of tomorrow.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2842">47:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2842" data-t="2842">Oh, so that's a crypto pioneers of crypto. Domax. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't I won't do the crypto. I mean, I've I've retained the crypto in my handle, but it's a funnel. We're trying to get all the crypto folks to come into to Bitcoin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2856">47:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2856" data-t="2856">I don't know if Fountain will let you on there if you use the name crypto. You'll have to change it to Bitcoin Max. Yeah. Yeah. Or or you like you said, drop it. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2863">47:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2863" data-t="2863">Yeah. Yeah. So, well, for now, it's Bitcoin summer until I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2867" data-t="2867">decide not to to if if I come up with something better, but it's it's a tough one. And then, yes, obviously, the first guest. Like, I'd love for someone like maybe Lynn Alden or I was thinking about Matt Pines because he was just at the White House, and I think he'd be close interview.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2881" data-t="2881">But, yeah, it's it's it's a tough one. Like, who do you pick? Well, there wasn't there, like, that little kid or there was somebody that that got sailor on his first episode, and he kinda, like, immediately, like</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2892">48:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2892" data-t="2892">yeah. Yeah. It it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2894" data-t="2894">you could go a lot of ways. It's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2897" data-t="2897">some people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2898" data-t="2898">might think that, like, Matthew Pines is a great way you get a fad on there. Like, somebody from the CIA, and that's gonna propagate. Boom. It's gonna get,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2906" data-t="2906">it's gonna go it's gonna go viral. Lynn would be a great Lynn would be a great first guest. Yeah. Do you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2913" data-t="2913">do is it gonna be only guess? Are you going to have, like, your share your insights?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2920">48:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2920" data-t="2920">I mean, I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2922" data-t="2922">I can't help it. I talk, so I'm probably gonna throw some insights into.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2927" data-t="2927">Kinda like, I guess, Breedlove, although just not go on as long as Breedlove.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2932">48:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2932" data-t="2932">You'll be you'll be you'll be significantly more intelligent to Breedlove. That's not that's not that hard. He does actually have some good thoughts.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2942">49:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2942" data-t="2942">So But yes. Thank you. More energy, maybe.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2946">49:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2946" data-t="2946">I think I think it's a question of much more charming, definitely.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2950" data-t="2950">I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2951" data-t="2951">it's a question of who do you want your audience to be? Who your first guest should be? So if you want it to be women,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2958">49:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2958" data-t="2958">I should be a woman. Pines</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2960">49:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2960" data-t="2960">is a good choice because Matthew Pines is a thirst trap for sure. He is a thirst trap for sure. For sure. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2968">49:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2968" data-t="2968">K. Point taken. Well, I'm I'm look. I'm not just this isn't, like, towards women, but it's also, hopefully,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2974" data-t="2974">getting more women into podcasting. Right? They</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2977" data-t="2977">It's towards everyone now. Women aren't investing in Bitcoin. They're not listening to forty hours. Like, what? We're falling behind, guys.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2986">49:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2986" data-t="2986">I I think it's great it's a great initiative.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2988" data-t="2988">I think it's really important</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2991" data-t="2991">to get more women listening to Bitcoin podcast because, you know, one of the challenges a lot of men have that listen to 40 HPW is they just can't relate. Like, they they go on these dates,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3001" data-t="3001">and they try and turn the date immediately into a Bitcoin podcast, and and the girl just doesn't care. You know? She was like, this is weird. I want him to ask me about what my astrology sign is, and then to listen to me talk about all these things.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3014">50:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3014" data-t="3014">And It would</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3015" data-t="3015">be it would be great to have.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3019">50:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3019" data-t="3019">Right? Sorry.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3020" data-t="3020">Really, he needs to start talking about a true crime, but there needs to be an element in Bitcoin, and she will be hooked.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3028">50:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3028" data-t="3028">Yeah. Like an exchange guy that ran away to, like, Thailand and or whatever</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3034">50:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3034" data-t="3034">that happened in Canada? That that that is the exchange that I helped,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3040" data-t="3040">distribute funds for to Canadians. Right? Yes. He did. He stole the money. He went to India, then he died. Then there was, like, a whole back and forth weird thing with his body where they, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3050" data-t="3050">took it they took it back to his hotel, then they took it to a hospital who didn't want it, then they sent it to, like, a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3056" data-t="3056">university hospital. It's very, very questionable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3059" data-t="3059">if if he ended up dying or not. And then, obviously,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3062" data-t="3062">like,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3063">51:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3063" data-t="3063">so 200,000,000</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3064" data-t="3064">was stolen</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3066" data-t="3066">from from users and only about 44.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3071" data-t="3071">There was some recovered after, so may maybe max 50.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3074" data-t="3074">This is Canadian maple syrup dollars, of course. And so but but the crazy thing was that 30,000,000 of that was actually,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3082" data-t="3082">frozen by CIBC.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3084">51:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3084" data-t="3084">Now and that's, like, one of the biggest reasons</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3087" data-t="3087">that that didn't didn't get traded away with terrible, terrible trades for, like, ETH and and stuff like that. And so Oregon didn't get liquidated,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3095" data-t="3095">was because it was frozen, and then the other 10 was, like, hard assets, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3100" data-t="3100">Canadian real estate. So that's that's that's why there was some funds to distribute. But, yes, crazy stories.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3107">51:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3107" data-t="3107">That's a hot hot tip for our listeners. So if you're out there, you're you're striking out on dates,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3114" data-t="3114">You just got</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3116" data-t="3116">the road map to make it more interesting. You can talk about Bitcoin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3121">52:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3121" data-t="3121">Yep.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3122" data-t="3122">Well And maybe maybe, like, this this doesn't really factor in, but, you know, like, I know I know the ladies, like, their romance novels too. That's another way we gotta get the women in. Right?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3132">52:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3132" data-t="3132">Yep. Make Bitcoin romantic.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3135">52:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3135" data-t="3135">No. I was gonna say Bitcoin romance novels, but, yes, Orange Pill Yeah. That actually is, like, a project that I wanna do is write a Bitcoin romance novel to just get the ladies in.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3146" data-t="3146">Right?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3147">52:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3147" data-t="3147">Absolutely.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3148" data-t="3148">Yes.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3149">52:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3149" data-t="3149">But they don't wanna read, like, The Price of Tomorrow or The History of Money or what what's Safe Dean's book? You know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3156" data-t="3156">yeah. They wanna they wanna</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3158" data-t="3158">yeah. They</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3160">52:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3160" data-t="3160">They wrote read about the low time preference podcast or they meet yeah. And and then</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3166">52:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3166" data-t="3166">So they wanna hear the prince who owns Bitcoin in his country's treasury.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3173">52:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3173" data-t="3173">Yeah. The prince of the prince of the yeah. The hereditary prince of Serbia. Yeah. Philip.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3178" data-t="3178">There you go. He wants he was listening to Bitcoin podcast.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3183">53:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3183" data-t="3183">So one thing we do every show, with our guests is we read the found boost of our previous interview show.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3190" data-t="3190">Before we get into that, I got a couple questions for you. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3193" data-t="3193">I think one of the thing that's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3196" data-t="3196">is really intimidating,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3198" data-t="3198">for women coming into this industry</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3201" data-t="3201">is just,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3202">53:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3202" data-t="3202">you know, not it it's it's a whole different lexicon. It's a whole different set of customs, and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3208" data-t="3208">it's it's a very different culture. You know, it's easy to walk on a landmine unnecessarily.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3214" data-t="3214">You accidentally say crypto instead of Bitcoin, then everybody's glaring at you.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3219">53:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3219" data-t="3219">So You mean, like, that sent today?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3223">53:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3223" data-t="3223">So, like, you you've decided so there was a lot of controversy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3227" data-t="3227">at the, the Bugle</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3229" data-t="3229">newsroom.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3230" data-t="3230">Two of our journalists, Maggie Morris and Kaylee Welch, they were fighting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3235" data-t="3235">They had a huge argument</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3237" data-t="3237">on Twitter,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3238">53:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3238" data-t="3238">back and forth on whether you should wear</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3241" data-t="3241">a skirt or,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3243" data-t="3243">a pantsuit</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3244" data-t="3244">to the office.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3246">54:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3246" data-t="3246">Oh, well, if you're a lady, you gotta wear a skirt suit in my opinion.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3252">54:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3252" data-t="3252">Why why why do you think that?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3254">54:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3254" data-t="3254">Why do I think that? I like I think skirt suits look nicer, more feminine. But I will counteract that because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3261" data-t="3261">the patriarchy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3262" data-t="3262">has decided that offices need to be a certain temperature, and that temperature tends to be a lot colder for women. So even though I would prefer to wear the darn skirt suit, I am forced to wear a regular suit because it's freaking cold in offices.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3280" data-t="3280">Anyways</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3281">54:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3281" data-t="3281">Well, you could you could just wear those,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3283" data-t="3283">skin colored,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3285" data-t="3285">fleece lined, lighted.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3287">54:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3287" data-t="3287">I didn't know about those until, like, last year. Well, have you having air conditioning at the office, that is at least what the pain would describe it means you're not a europolar.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3296" data-t="3296">So, again, comparing to The UK,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3299" data-t="3299">you're still ahead you're still ahead in Canada. That that was the craziest</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3304">55:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3304" data-t="3304">difference when I went so I went to a conference in Miami. The first, that was my first,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3309" data-t="3309">BTC.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3310" data-t="3310">Like, not my first Bitcoin conference, but, like, the biggest one. And that was, like, 2021. And I was like, oh my god. It is so cold. And then I went, I think, a year later or two years ago to Prague, which gorgeous, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3322" data-t="3322">city.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3323" data-t="3323">And it was stark difference. Like, I'd have to layer in Miami, which is ironic. And I was, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3330" data-t="3330">shorts and</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3332">55:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3332" data-t="3332">short sleeves</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3333" data-t="3333">in in Prague. So, yeah, the Europore</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3336" data-t="3336">air conditioning.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3337" data-t="3337">Like, I have lived it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3342">55:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3342" data-t="3342">Is that why you were walking around with the s nine backpack to stay warm in the cold air conditioning?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3348">55:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3348" data-t="3348">That was because I was trying to get a haircut with the fans.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3354" data-t="3354">Yes. Anyway so you had questions. So you had this,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3357" data-t="3357">that that was what you you wanted my take on skirt suits?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3361">56:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3361" data-t="3361">Yeah. That was the first question.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3363" data-t="3363">I mean, that could that could be, like, a whole podcast series is, the the cultural customs of, like, you know, how to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3370" data-t="3370">for for women coming in this industry. But,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3373">56:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3373" data-t="3373">Well, here's the funny thing. So now that I'm back sort of in the corporate sphere with the coin treasury, you know, advising a treasury company, I feel like, dang, I have to bust out those</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3383" data-t="3383">skirt suits.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3384" data-t="3384">But for, like, the longest time at conference, yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3387" data-t="3387">Jeans.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3389" data-t="3389">I never have to wear heels again. This is amazing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3393" data-t="3393">It's it's nice being a club or or just, like, an a Bitcoin industry person that wasn't in the corporate world.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3402">56:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3402" data-t="3402">Totally.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3404" data-t="3404">The other question, which I I think you said you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3407" data-t="3407">you probably didn't. We we always ask our guests if they heard the the previous interview show we did. So we,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3414" data-t="3414">we interviewed Charlie Spears</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3416" data-t="3416">from BroccoliSpace</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3417" data-t="3417">Media.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3419">56:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3419" data-t="3419">Okay.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3420">57:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3420" data-t="3420">Are you familiar with Charlie?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3422">57:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3422" data-t="3422">I actually am not.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3424" data-t="3424">Wow.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3427">57:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3427" data-t="3427">Yeah. Charlie's a good dude.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3429" data-t="3429">He runs BlockSpace. He's got he he's got a broccoli haircut, Zoomer,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3433" data-t="3433">cofounder,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3435" data-t="3435">Will Foxley. They really cover the mining space. So they have a mining podcast.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3440">57:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3440" data-t="3440">What is the handle? Because I've</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3443" data-t="3443">it's quite possible</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3444" data-t="3444">that I do know because but I have to see the handle</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3448" data-t="3448">and, like, the picture, the the profile picture. It's a lot like, I I tend to be sometimes very bad with names, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3455" data-t="3455">I visually.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3457">57:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3457" data-t="3457">He's wearing a suit in his, profile picture, actually. Pointer. I see.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3463">57:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3463" data-t="3463">There's Charlie's ticketed dude. Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3466" data-t="3466">And we talked</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3467" data-t="3467">we talked about a lot of stuff. We talked about attacking, bickering. Okay. Yes. Okay. Yes.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3474">57:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3474" data-t="3474">It's an unforgettable phase. That's for sure. Yep. Very super funny.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3479">57:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3479" data-t="3479">Charlie is one of Platter's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3481" data-t="3481">main nemeses. If it Yeah. We wanted to get Platter to listen.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3486" data-t="3486">We wanted to get Platter to listen to our show, so we invited Charlie on, and I think we succeeded. Because now Platter's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3493" data-t="3493">tweeting about Pay for Bitcoin summer.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3495">58:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3495" data-t="3495">Nice.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3497" data-t="3497">We don't have any problems. We just all hope he has a good day.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3502">58:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3502" data-t="3502">That's it. It's just what you gotta do with people like him.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3505">58:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3505" data-t="3505">Yes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3506" data-t="3506">It's just like the bully. Right? You don't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3510" data-t="3510">you you can't react. Right? Because then the bully will keep bullying.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3514" data-t="3514">You're just like, yeah. Have a good day.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3517">58:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3517" data-t="3517">And that'll just make them warm.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3520">58:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3520" data-t="3520">Well, I feel like, you know, you can you can punch the bully in the face. Like, that's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3524" data-t="3524">you know, appropriate thing to do. But for predator, it just feels like you punch it down. You know what I mean? Like, he's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3530" data-t="3530">he's he's that chubby guy that's sitting there playing me.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3534">58:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3534" data-t="3534">It's it's it's kinda sad.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3537" data-t="3537">Like, what made you this angry?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3540">59:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3540" data-t="3540">Absolutely. Yeah. It's there's more life than a Nintendo,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3544" data-t="3544">buddy.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3546">59:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3546" data-t="3546">So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3547" data-t="3547">yeah. So we interviewed Charlie. We we held his feet to the fire. We we made him answer for all of his spamming that he's doing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3555" data-t="3555">He's a big fan of ordinals.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3558">59:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3558" data-t="3558">Oh, okay.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3560">59:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3560" data-t="3560">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3561" data-t="3561">it was a it was a really good conversation. He he turns out to be a,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3565" data-t="3565">very talented musician.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3567" data-t="3567">I was hoping that one.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3569">59:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3569" data-t="3569">Okay.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3570">59:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3570" data-t="3570">I think, like, we need more</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3573">59:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3573" data-t="3573">Bitcoin musicians?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3574">59:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3574" data-t="3574">More podcasts for women, more women Bitcoin podcasters. We need more Bitcoin musicians for sure. Saying right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3582" data-t="3582">Well, yeah, go through these booths. Our good friend Shadrach, 10,393</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3587" data-t="3587">sets, says, don't forget the Beastie</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3589" data-t="3589">Boys,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3590" data-t="3590">Shadrach. I don't get that reference. Is that so I don't know Shadrach, but there was a Beastie Boys</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3596">59:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3596" data-t="3596">song</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3597" data-t="3597">that was overlaid</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3599" data-t="3599">on a,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3601" data-t="3601">it was just so good, on a,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3605" data-t="3605">Dragon Ball z, like, clip</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3609" data-t="3609">that,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3610">1:00:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3610" data-t="3610">you know, everything comes back to Bitcoin. Right? I was like, the Vegeta meme.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3614" data-t="3614">Yep. Yep.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3616" data-t="3616">So that that's what what I think of there for that tweet.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3620">1:00:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3620" data-t="3620">I'll have to listen to that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3623" data-t="3623">So he says, yes. My name came from the Torah. Awesome show, guys. Hashtag 40 HPW. So we were talking about,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3631" data-t="3631">so the only reason why,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3633" data-t="3633">Charlie knew</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3635" data-t="3635">the reference Shadrach from the bible was because he watched Veggie Tales as a kid.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3640">1:00:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3640" data-t="3640">Veggie Tales.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3642" data-t="3642">Oh my god.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3645" data-t="3645">They have some pretty good songs.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3648">1:00:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3648" data-t="3648">So in in your opinion, is, the Tuttle Twins on par with VeggieTales? Or do they need to step up their game?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3655">1:00:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3655" data-t="3655">I really like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3658" data-t="3658">the total twins. And I actually thought it was kind of like a Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3662" data-t="3662">show, but when I went through the episodes,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3664" data-t="3664">it's actually</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3666" data-t="3666">like, the first season, I don't think even touches on, like, Bitcoin directly, but it covers a lot of the things that us Bitcoiners</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3674" data-t="3674">hope the rest of the world would know. So I think that's why it's awesome and it's entertaining.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3679">1:01:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3679" data-t="3679">Definitely</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3680" data-t="3680">would recommend it to my friends who have kids.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3685" data-t="3685">If if we were gonna have, like, a not better than magic school bus.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3691">1:01:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3691" data-t="3691">If we were gonna have, like, a Bitcoin version of miss Rachel, who do you think would be the best candidate for that? Are you familiar with miss Rachel?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3700">1:01:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3700" data-t="3700">Remind me. It sounds familiar.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3702">1:01:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3702" data-t="3702">So she's like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3704" data-t="3704">she's she's like displaced,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3707" data-t="3707">Barney</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3708" data-t="3708">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3709" data-t="3709">Sesame Street.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3711" data-t="3711">She is, like, a modern day mister Rogers, but she's a YouTuber.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3717">1:01:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3717" data-t="3717">Okay.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3718" data-t="3718">No. I have missed that. So so sorry. Who do I think would be the female equivalent of miss Rachel? Who would be a good candidate in the Bitcoin ecosystem to replace to be the Bitcoin miss Rachel?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3730" data-t="3730">Would it be Lina who who has, like, you know, the</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3733">1:02:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3733" data-t="3733">Lina with the little plushie?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3735">1:02:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3735" data-t="3735">Yeah. I had a plushie around. I don't know where he went, but I have a plushie too.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3741" data-t="3741">Yeah. Maybe.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3743" data-t="3743">Definitely</span> <span class="cue" data-t="3743">not that guy. He's not gonna be the next mister Rogers.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3748">1:02:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3748" data-t="3748">Maybe Isabella.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3751">1:02:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3751" data-t="3751">Isabella.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3752" data-t="3752">She'd be a great yep. That's a good candidate too.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3755">1:02:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3755" data-t="3755">She she's probably gonna go through that phase. She's gonna she's gonna decide to have kids at some point, and then she's gonna be obsessed with kids, and then she's gonna become the Bitcoin miss Rachel.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3764">1:02:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Magdalena Granowska</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3764" data-t="3764">What about Carla?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3766" data-t="3766">You know, she has the font outfits.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3769" data-t="3769">I think Carla would be cool.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3771">1:02:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3771" data-t="3771">Carla would be entertainment.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3773">1:02:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3773" data-t="3773">Yeah. A a Wonka Burnett's podcast, and she would have her children's YouTube channel.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3779" data-t="3779">Yep. Perfect. Hell, yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3782" data-t="3782">The next,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3784" data-t="3784">based is from a late stage Huddle, and I'm looking forward to to bringing this one up because, I feel a little like there's something going on here. Miscommunication.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3793" data-t="3793">So late stage Huddle, based 6,000 sets. I said,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3797" data-t="3797">oh, I lost it. Sorry.</span></span></p> +