0:01Richard Greaser It is paper Bitcoin summer. We are entering into the full swing of the bull market. Bitcoin is ripping to all time highs. Predators morale is crashing to places lower than the supply on the OTC test. Bitcoin podcasters are inheriting the earth,

0:19Richard Greaser deciding what happens. While Bitcoiners used to beg for attention, the world is watching as they are the new elites. Podcasters are on Wall Street. They're on Bloomberg. They're in the White House.

0:34Richard Greaser But there is one woman who's played a critical role in all of this happening, a true pioneer. She helped launch the first publicly traded paper Bitcoin stock in North America. A woman worth climbing a mountain and crossing a river to get on your Bitcoin podcast. Joining us tonight is the Canadian queen of paper Bitcoin. The Vibe2flow strategist at Vibes Capital Management,

1:02Richard Greaser a self described skirt coiner, Magdalena Granowska.

1:08Rod Palmer How are you doing tonight? I hope I didn't butcher your name too bad. No. That actually was very impressive. Most people know you as Crypto Max on, on a timeline on social media for Bitcoin podcasts. But I think it's interesting that this paper Bitcoin summer that we're going through right now, that it started in Canada, with something you worked on. Like, you are that's why you're called the Canadian queen of paper Bitcoin summer. It it can explain your role and what and why that was,

1:43Rod Palmer significant in history in this context.

1:46Magdalena Granowska I love it. So everybody's like, oh, it's the golden age of crypto in The US. But long before that, it was the golden age of the the maple syrup golden liquid golden age of, of Bitcoin. Back in Canada

2:03Magdalena Granowska in 2019, 2020 is when we launched the first Canadian Bitcoin fund on the Toronto Stock Exchange. But what's interesting is just like Grayscale took the securities commission to court, we took the Canadian Ontario Securities Commission to court about because they are like, no

2:22Magdalena Granowska retail investors. They they cannot invest. Like, it's not in their public interest to buy Bitcoin, right, on on the stock exchange. And we're like, yes. It is. Right? There were a whole that was kind of the main crux of the problem. And so that was like a three year court battle that accumulated in a '26 page ruling that said, yes. It actually is in the public interest for

2:47Magdalena Granowska investors to buy paper Bitcoin. And so Incredible. I know. It it that's where it began in Canada.

2:56Rod Palmer So everybody has been praising Dennis Porter for all these laws he's been getting passed. People have been talking about Canada needs a Dennis Porter. But the right for retail to buy paper Bitcoin

3:12Rod Palmer is all a result of work that you did and and fight a fight that you took to you, the courts in Canada, to make possible. It's like retail can buy paper Bitcoin, thanks in large part to you.

3:26Magdalena Granowska Totally. I a point point see, like like, the lawyer hat. I'm not a lawyer, but because I I didn't actually do the fighting court. That that was, the team prior to myself joining. I helped with the initial IPO. But I did get to attend the the court session, and it was quite entertaining listening to, well, basically, they didn't have many strong arguments. They were pulling, like, random obscure. I'd never heard of articles, like, in their official court evidence. Meanwhile,

3:54Magdalena Granowska three I q is throwing down, like, analysis after analysis, like, crunching the numbers from Coinbase and all, like, everywhere where you can get Bitcoin data from, like, solid Bitcoin data, and they were just being eviscerated. At one point, I think, the the three I q lawyer had asked if the person on the stand, which was one of the commissioners or or workers at the securities commissions, that they own Bitcoin, and they said yes. And it was just so beautiful. So, yes, I got to witness this, but then I helped with the IPO. And that, of course, paved the way for all the Canadian Bitcoin ETFs.

4:32Magdalena Granowska So yeah.

4:34Unknown Did you

4:36Rod Palmer when when when you when when you guys these guys went public with this company and it was on the, it became traded on the stock exchange, did you oh, did you think were you expecting a big bull market? Were you expecting NGU? Were you expecting paper Bitcoin summer to happen sooner? Or or were you a little disappointed you have to lower your time preference a little bit? Oh my god. It was the worst time to, like, to launch the IPO.

5:00Magdalena Granowska It was literally during the risk the massive risk off moment in 2020. Remember when Bitcoin fell to, like, let's say, like, 14? It it was, like, the worst time. It was that I think we had to delay it by a few weeks because suddenly, like, we were facing with this, like, massive demand and and and concern. So it was it was, like was it Bitcoin winter, I guess?

5:28Rod Palmer Interesting. So now we now now we fast forward six years later, five years later, and it's like Bitcoin treasury company media. Yeah, Paper Bitcoin summer is, like you said, in full swing. It's everywhere. It's like a new company, a new podcaster is getting announced every week. Do do you think did do you think that you wish that you had a podcaster back then? Do you think that it would have sped things up if you didn't just have this company,

5:59Rod Palmer but there was a podcaster that you hired as well?

6:03Magdalena Granowska Yeah. Right? I think I think we shoulda had a podcaster. I think we shoulda had a big podcaster, like, oh, I don't know, Breedlove. He's pretty big. Right? Or or mister McCormack. Mister what was he calling himself? He's been getting bigger recently. No. I know he has, but he called himself mister, obnoxious before he said that he had an obnoxious podcaster. They would would have sent us to the moon. Would would have blown right through Bitcoin spring right into summer if if that had happened, I think.

6:36Richard Greaser Totally. Well, one thing that, I'd like to get your thoughts on is, you know, for a while, America and Canada were pretty neck and neck. Canada had a pretty strong lead in the battle between who was gonna break a 100 k first. So Canada took the v victory on that. They hit a 100 k Bitcoin

6:59Richard Greaser before America. At the time, America wasn't as friendly or they were just starting to become friendly to paper Bitcoin. Do you think your, role in getting Canada to go on a paper Bitcoin standard

7:16Richard Greaser is the driving reason why Canada hit 100 first?

7:22Magdalena Granowska I think Canada's it it's tricky. Let let me backtrack. I mean, we had the Canadian Mint released digital cash in, like, 2014. There was they had a a project. So, you know, they were thinking ahead, of course. But when it came to crypto, what kind of hit it at a standstill was Quadriga. Right? We had our own FTX before FTX, and that was Quadriga. 200,000,000 was lost, and Nate was just, like,

7:49Magdalena Granowska he embezzled upon embezzled, was trading on other foreign exchanges and losing money. He's a terrible trader. Just bad. He's buying lavish vacations, a plane, a boat, a come you know, everybody needs a boat. Right? And homes, like, multiple homes. And I lost money in Quadriga, and, actually, I became, a court appointed

8:11Magdalena Granowska by the Supreme Court of Canada, bankruptcy inspector, which, actually, I'm still in that role. So when that happened, it was, like, within four months, the securities commissions came out with, like, a set of rules that they had developed that weren't necessarily the most sensical, but, like, you know, the pendulum swung hard, and that was kind of around that time too. Right? 2019. So it so I think that harmed

8:37Magdalena Granowska Canada. Right? And it things became a lot tougher. We had our own debanking. We had our own OCP two point o, and I don't know if that was influenced by The US or not. But, I mean, there's companies that still are debanking, Canadian, companies or individuals. I you know, I'm in a lot of different chats.

8:56Magdalena Granowska Some of them regulatory, and I just saw that one gentleman got debanked. I think it was a mining company. So it's still happening. Right? Just like Jeremy, he's a he's a core developer in The US. Even though OCP is presumably dead, he got his bank was like, yep. Sorry. You have one day to figure out who's going to, take your mortgage over because we're debanking you because we're not comfortable with what you're doing. So, yeah, I think it was great, but it seems like especially with Trump coming in,

9:27Magdalena Granowska things have just changed drastically. And Trump coming in harmed Canada in the sense that it looked like Pierre was going to win, and we were going to go more conservative. We were going to be anti CBDC because that's sort of what he ran on. And instead, we got another Liberal that is, like, full into CBDCs. Like, they're going all steam ahead. And it's really interesting too because if you look at the the Canadian, the Bank of Canada did a study a year, two years ago, about what Canadians think about CBDCs and, like, overwhelming, like, over 80% Canadians don't want a CBDC. They don't trust the government. And I think, actually, you know, they shot the government shot themselves in the foot with the, the protests, the truckers protest. Right? When Canadians saw how easy it is to shut off money. Right? And so I think maybe that played in a bit of

10:20Magdalena Granowska how that, that is perceived. But, yeah, we're full steam ahead, not in a great kind of place. But I think we're still a little bit better than The UK. It's kinda scary what's going on over there. Kinda depressing to talk about, guys. Speak for Bitcoin Summer's happier. Well, the the best consolation

10:38Richard Greaser is always doing better than The UK. At least you have that.

10:44Rod Palmer Yeah. And what do you what do you think was so scary to Canadians about Donald Trump that made them

10:56Rod Palmer see what the what you what you saw and then vote for the central banker to be president. It's like, we want the CBDC central banker to be president or, you know, prime minister, excuse me, but, like, you know, the leader of this country. And are they do they have any buyer's remorse, or is it popular?

11:18Magdalena Granowska I think he's still pretty popular, which is kind of frustrating. I think the main thing that happened was Trudeau didn't seem like a strong leader to put in front of Trump with all the trade wars. And so when Trudeau stepped down, Carney was seen as a much better alternative. And Trump even said he preferred,

11:41Magdalena Granowska Carney over Pierre, which was kinda interesting because that's like, you know, conservatives kinda tend to stick together in a way. So that was you know, I think that's kinda what did us in. And, I mean, at the end of the day, you know, affordability still sucks. Like, housing is insane. People cannot afford you know,

12:04Magdalena Granowska anything even millennials, but, you know, the next the generations, what is it, Gen z's, Gen x's, or whatever, All those ones are having trouble, like, being able to buy property, because of where prices are day to day unaffordability. And so that is not

12:22Magdalena Granowska like, that was the Trudeau. It's like the Liberals' Trudeau. Right? Canada sold its gold. The loss of its gold under Trudeau. Money printing like never before with COVID, that legacy was still there. And, you know, Pierre became a lot more popular because he was anti that and lowering government debt and and well, he was the shadow minister of finance, basically, so he would always, like, ream in about Canadian spending when he was speaking,

12:51Magdalena Granowska like, when he had this the floor. But for some reason well, not for some reason. Like, the most important thing became fighting tariffs and feeling like they needed somebody strong for that. And for one reason or another, they thought Carney, you know, overwhelmingly. So that was that was frustrating. Yeah.

13:10Rod Palmer Do the, do the Canadian people is the is there a movement for Canada to have its own strategic Bitcoin reserve? Because it's it's it seems like there are Bitcoin treasury companies popping up in Canada. And so we're gonna talk about, like, what's your role with the Bitcoin treasury companies? But is there any movement first for, like, a strategic

13:33Rod Palmer Canadian Bitcoiners? It sounds like no. It sounds like they they just wanna sell their gold. But they didn't sell their gold to buy Bitcoin. They sold the gold to To buy US treasuries. Buy US treasuries. One of the things. Maybe yeah. Because I wrote an article actually No. That Canada needs a a strategic,

13:50Magdalena Granowska reserve, in, I think, in November. And but I mean Trudeau, like, he publicly spoke out against Bitcoin. Right? He slammed Pierre, for talking about Bitcoin and saying, like, oh, if you had invested in bit like, when when Bitcoin had fallen from 70 or 69 to where whatever it fell at, he was like, oh, you had listened to Pierre. You'd be down x amount. So then Pierre had to kind of be careful not talking about it for a while. So

14:20Magdalena Granowska definitely not with the Liberals. They want their CBDC money. If there is a chance now I I don't see them at all moving towards Bitcoin, but if there is a chance it will be at the equivalent of state level, which is Alberta. Right? The Texas of Canada. And their the government is very different. They're very supportive of Bitcoin mining. Two ministers, have so the mining file with them. They have MOUs, sorry, memorandums of understanding with Texas

14:50Magdalena Granowska around, like, technology sharing and and supporting companies that are in the mining space, for example, and and the blockchains well, broader blockchain. Because governments still love enterprise blockchain. And, yeah. And and so and they might they they would be much more willing to put Bitcoin on a reserve. I mean, they might some there's some interest to also just become a separate nation or seed

15:19Magdalena Granowska from Canada, but I don't I don't know how strong that movement is. Like, they're and I don't know what percentage vote that would need, but they are very, very different from the rest of Canada.

15:33Richard Greaser Yeah. The one of the challenges with democracy in general is 99% of the voters don't listen to forty hours of Bitcoin podcasts a week.

15:44Magdalena Granowska My dog listens to more Bitcoin podcasts than the average person.

15:49Richard Greaser That that's a great bumper sticker. Right. That'd be a great bumper sticker. But yeah. I mean, what do what do you see the the outlook looking like for Canada? So we we talked to a lot of Canadians. They think that Alberta, you know, might secede. Alberta's landlocked, so that's kind of a precarious situation. You know, you never wanna be surrounded on all sides by communists. That's a bad idea,

16:15Richard Greaser historically. Like, what do you what do you see as the outlook for Canada? What do you think the average Canadian should be doing? Should they be going and doing a a Citadel and and Costa Rica and hanging out with that guy with the crazy hair that's always on Nostra or or the guy that you know, you don't talk about the guy that always posts the shirtless pictures? I'm sure you know who I'm talking about. Oh.

16:39Magdalena Granowska So I I think things are gonna get harder for Canadians. I think they're going to continue with the money printing, obviously. Right? We're we're in debt similar to The US. And I think where we're going is both higher taxes, because, you know, we're in debt. But also there's there's because we're a little bit more leaning left slash commie

17:03Magdalena Granowska people and just even honestly talking to my neighbors, they're very pro taxing the wealthy. Right? Before the election, Trudeau actually wanted to raise the capital gains tax rate from 50 to 66%. And I think the majority

17:22Magdalena Granowska of people, especially the ones that I talked to, were supportive of that. Right? And I think too, the debt is only going to get worse, so they're gonna look at different ways to raise

17:38Magdalena Granowska money. And that could include, so for example, if you have a home in Canada, my understanding is it's not the same in The US. If you sell at your first your primary residence, you don't pay any capital gains tax. And you don't like, with the money printer, property values have gone excessive. Like, I remember five years ago, sort of where I used to live in the Greater Toronto Area, if you're looking at, like, say, a townhouse, it would be, like, $5,600,000

18:02Magdalena Granowska Canadian, and now they're 901,000,001.1. Right? That was just, like, five, six years ago. Like, it's it's massively gone up in price and, hence, the unaffordability. But so if you were to sell that house because you made, like, 400,000 in gains, you don't get taxed on it because it was your primary residence. But I could see that getting taxed.

18:24Magdalena Granowska And the worst case would be, you know, the, what is it? The one that Australia is putting in is unrealized capital gains. I I that that would just I I know Canadians, like, wealthy Canadians are moving out, and some Bitcoiners have already left. Some are thinking of leaving. And so I like, could you imagine? Like,

18:46Magdalena Granowska you're up, you're down, you know, you're go like, I don't even know how that would get Oh, okay. How that would work, how would it get valued. But not just from a Bitcoin perspective. Like, let's say you're starting a company. Right? How do you value your company, and your equity? And then what if you are don't have any liquidity? Like, companies will not be forming in Canada or they'll be exiting Canada. And so so the productive people leave, and yet so who gets taxed? Right? It's it's it's a bad situation.

19:13Rod Palmer Yeah. With, like, the concentration of banking in you kind of these people in Canada are very concentrated. So, like, the this land is, like, so valuable. Because it's, like, close to, like, the the it's very limited. You got your main banks and you got the Canadian Central Bank. Do you think that a Tether stand, bringing bringing stable coins, bringing Tether

19:37Rod Palmer into Canada, making it instead of the Canadian dollar, it just goes on the, you know, the reserve currency becomes Tether. The people will be able to afford to build houses out in the tundra, out in the Yukon, out in Edmonton, outside of Winnipeg, instead of having to concentrate in the city centers because they can have, you know, easier access to the to the to the liquidity.

20:02Magdalena Granowska I am not following sort of the two thoughts there. Because, a, I think, you you're sort of saying, like, having kinda sounder money by by owning I mean, we already own some treasuries, right, and some other, it's not just treasuries, US treasuries. We own US dollars. We also own, oh my gosh,

20:21Magdalena Granowska I think a little bit of the yen and, the pound. So there is some currency there, but, the other thing too is, like, yes, Canada is huge. For one, you know, there are some communities that don't have natural gas or electricity because they're quite remote. But that said, you know, why do people concentrate here? It's it's the jobs. Like, I'm privileged enough that I can do a lot of remote work. Yes. I still travel, etcetera. But the majority of folks, they have to still, you know there's still that movement that you you have to come into the office, like, two or three times a week at least.

20:57Magdalena Granowska Some people, obviously, more. And so there really isn't jobs. So, yes, you can buy a home for, like, 300,000 Canadian in Yeah. You know, four hours north, but what kind of jobs are there? Right? And how much are you making? So so if we're kinda stuck yeah. It doesn't it kinda doesn't work. So, you know, same thing. Like, my brother is younger than me, and they're having a hard time buying a house. So it's like, it makes me angry to see what the government has done. And, of course, I think Bitcoin is one of the ways the one of the only ways that you can unless you're buying, like, Nvidia. One of the only ways that you can afford for, you know, a down payment for a house. But

21:35Magdalena Granowska that aside, you know, like, having those conversations of have you thought about moving, like, you know, one or the other person of of of a of a relationship may not have that luxury because their job requires them to be, you know, right there in Right. In the city center. Yeah.

21:52Rod Palmer And one of the this is what leads me to, this whole theme of paper Bitcoin summer, the Bitcoin treasury companies, and podcasters, is that the more Bitcoin treasury companies that we launch and the more podcasters that are subsequently employed by you can podcast. Where can you pod anywhere.

22:12Rod Palmer You don't have to live Downtown Toronto. You don't have to live Downtown Vancouver. You can live, outside the outside the city where things work because you could podcast from anywhere. So the more Bitcoin treasury companies and the more podcasting jobs, you wanna bring those to Canada. And you yourself want to set the example

22:33Rod Palmer because you're talking about I do. What what we what we preach every day on this podcast, on the timeline, is starting your own Bitcoin podcast. Damn right. So I'm starting my own Bitcoin podcast, gentlemen.

22:47Magdalena Granowska Boom. I'm Boom. So You know how some podcasters are like, oh, please, sir. Please, ma'am. Can I have a Bitcoin treasury job? And it's like, no. I advised DDC, which is really awesome because it's the first Bitcoin treasury company led by a woman. But so I have already landed that, and I'm like, I gotta uno reverse this and launch my own podcast. Right?

23:09Rod Palmer Okay. Well, here, the you we talked about this, I wanted to get into this, but you mentioned it. The first Bitcoin Treasury company, founded by and lost by a woman. And how do you when you're going and you're marketing this and you're looking for investors and and such, Let's just be honest. Women are known for liking to spend their Bitcoin. They like they go to Target. They see something. They see how do we know that the treasury is going to be HODLing and that is that the woman's

23:40Unknown who's leading this treasury is not gonna spend Orange the Bitcoin from the the the Bitcoin from Starves. Orange

23:46Magdalena Granowska Starves. Is that what you're saying?

23:49Rod Palmer Right. Right. It is. It's not it's not your fault that that stereotype exists. But how do you address it, when you when you when you podcast, you know, and and promote it?

24:04Magdalena Granowska I had no idea that you gentlemen were going to think that female led Bitcoin treasury companies are going on shopping sprees. Clearly, we need to think about our, investor relations strategy to make sure that these kinds of rumors are quashed.

24:23Richard Greaser Well, to to be fair, you know, men men also like to go on a lot of these guys like to go on, spending sprees at all. I know there was that lawsuit against that mining company. I believe it was it Compute North where the salesmen were going and blowing a bunch of money at the strip clubs?

24:40Magdalena Granowska I missed that. I remember, I mean, was it 2017, 2018 where there was, like, wild crypto parties? Right? I thought I thought those days were gone, gentlemen.

24:53Richard Greaser Oh, no. They're just beginning. The the Bitcoin Diddy parties, they're gonna be happening. No.

24:59Magdalena Granowska I'm not not a fan of it. Part bring back the yacht parties. That's very Bitcoin summer, guys.

25:04Richard Greaser I'm I'm not I'm not a fan of it, personally. Of votes? I didn't. No. Of of Bitcoin ditty parties. I'd I'd plan on going to zero. That is a

25:15Magdalena Granowska boo. No. Thank you. Yeah.

25:18Rod Palmer But I will say Yes? As long as those parties exist, as long as the Bilderberg group and all the conspiracy groups, all those exist. I'm not condoning them. I just think that they should include Bitcoin podcasters. I think that that perspective would would would do a good job of aligning the incentives. If they're gonna exist, they should at least have a Bitcoin podcaster.

25:40Richard Greaser If if Canada asked you to represent them in Davos, how would you feel about going?

25:45Magdalena Granowska I think I'd like to attend. I think we need to infiltrate. Right? If it like, look look at the white box. They just brought in BPI. Right? Or or really, should I say

25:56Rod Palmer BIA. Right? Bitcoin intelligence agency. That's right. That's right. We talked about this. We talked about our podcast and our orange pilling. Inevitably orange pill a lot of feds. And the feds, they want a orange pill as well. So, like, we're in the CIA, we're in the FBI, we're in the White House, we're in the Oval Office, We're on Air Force. David Bailey's there. We're everywhere. So is is it if you get invited to the Bohemian Grove to to to be the podcaster, it's like, should you go? This is what Paper Bitcoin Summer's about. We're infecting

26:30Rod Palmer every institution. There's no institution left standing that's not going to be impacted or affected by by Bitcoin through some mechanism. Right now, it's the securitization, of Bitcoin. And so, yeah, I just think there should be a Bitcoin podcast or a Diddy party if they're gonna exist. And

26:50Rod Palmer I don't wanna be a Yeah. Or a Dabos. Yeah. I don't wanna be the one that does so. Or

26:56Magdalena Granowska Tatum.

26:58Rod Palmer Tatum would probably be a good

27:00Richard Greaser So I I think we we discussed on our show a long time ago, some advantages that women have in selling meme coins and and non KYC feet pics. And I think women have some inherent advantages

27:19Richard Greaser in selling paper Bitcoin than men. One of them one of the primary ones is it seems like women while while men are all distracted with technical analysis and glass node and, you know, trying to understand the macro, women have a tendency to be more predisposed to astrology.

27:40Magdalena Granowska Which is really almost like being really attuned to the vibes. Right? Vibe investing? Yes. Forget the spreadsheets. Just invest based on vibes.

27:54Rod Palmer Yeah. It seems to work for it seems to work when practiced, you know, very well. It's it's like it's like trade. Everybody wants to be a trader. Everybody can trade based on any system. But if you wanna trade based on vibes, you gotta be a disciplined observer and, checker of vibes. You have to be able to vibe check yourself

28:15Rod Palmer to be successful trading on vibes. And do you think that Bitcoin that paper Bitcoin lends itself to a five trader to be able to hone in on that?

28:28Magdalena Granowska I think or or if we're still talking about differences between the sexes, then, yes, I think there's definitely things that women might pick up on, just like we have more sensitive sense of smell. Right, more EQ, emotional intelligence. I think, we our our Vibe radar might be a little bit more attuned there.

28:47Richard Greaser Do you think so a lot of these Bitcoin podcasters, they're they're stinky. They don't have the best personal hygiene.

28:56Unknown They're yourself.

28:59Richard Greaser No. I'm a journalist. I've got I've got I've got professional training, and, I I wear suits to the office. I I've got great personal hygiene. Coiner? I'm an adult is what I am. I I wouldn't call myself a suit coiner. I I I call myself a professional. I'm an adult. I'm a credentialed journalist. Yes. So, I mean, a lot of these guys, like, you know, they they've they've

29:23Richard Greaser just coasted through life with, like, supercharged autism. Right? And now they're getting to these points where they have to don them the suit. They have to learn how to iron and press their shirts.

29:37Magdalena Granowska And tie their shoelaces. Right? Because vibe check on mister Sam. Yep. He did not tie his shoelaces correctly. And look where that let him with FTX.

29:48Richard Greaser Absolutely. Yeah. No. I mean, there's a major red flag when you when you have somebody wielding that much money and, they don't have per good personal hygiene. You know, Sam Bankman Fried, you look at him. He just he looks stinky.

30:02Magdalena Granowska I do.

30:04Unknown Yeah. I do. I think you're onto something, though. So there's a lot of I think my own personal,

30:10Magdalena Granowska opinion is there's a lot of autists and ADHDers that are early, like, OGs because it took that, like, hyperfocus going down that rabbit hole, like, where where I know not everyone believes

30:26Magdalena Granowska being neurodivergent is a superpower, but I do think in in the case of going down the Bitcoin rabbit hole, it was.

30:33Richard Greaser There's trade offs. There's trade offs. Like, superpower and autism gets you really far in some ways. In some ways, it makes things more difficult. But in a woman owns and ran paper Bitcoin company, there's gonna be a lot less tolerance for stinkiness.

30:50Magdalena Granowska I I would agree.

30:53Richard Greaser And and do you think that David Bailey has what it takes to to get his company

30:59Magdalena Granowska in line? David Bailey and Stephen Lovegood. They they even have Well, I mean, I haven't smelled David Bailey, so I don't know where the slime is. To the screen? No. I can't smell him through the screen. But mister Steven, on the other hand, I think he's a very strong candidate. He seems like he takes baths. I mean, between the Ice baths. Shine ice baths, exactly. Between the sunshine

31:24Richard Greaser and I don't know. I mean,

31:26Rod Palmer if you're if you're in Florida and you're outside a lot, you're just inherently stinky. You're in the swamp. You know what I mean? Well, well, I think I think to to expand this a little bit more, and I think to hone in on what you're talking about here, it's about discipline. Because autism is a can can lead you down great rabbit holes, but it takes discipline to execute. And if you look at some of these other paper Bitcoin, you got, And if you look at some of these other paper Bitcoin comp you got what we mentioned, David Bailey and Nakamoto, there's Jack Mallers. He's always wearing a hoodie. He's got a broccoli haircut like a, like a zoomer.

31:60Rod Palmer You've got, Adam Back's got a noose back. Adam Back likes to wear hoodies and, you know, Hardo shorts. You've got these people that we talk about it being, like, Suitcoin Summer or Skirtcoin Summer. Right? But it's help him out of the lobby. Right? She's she's advising,

32:18Magdalena Granowska Semler.

32:19Richard Greaser She's definitely That's true. So She she's not stinky.

32:22Rod Palmer No. So yeah. That's a good thing that Natalie and Joe Joe wears suits. But it'd be it'd be it'd be those two. And then you, with your with BTC, everybody else, they're looking sloppy That's your advantage right there that you are you're tuned in, you're disciplined, and you're gonna be focused to execute You're not wearing cargo shorts because that's the wrong vibe for Wall Street. Right? Like, that's the wrong vibe for for financial man for financial services.

32:53Magdalena Granowska I mean, honestly, there's a collision of fashion. Right? You've got your suit coiners, and then you've got the Steven Lukas of the world who are wearing their shirts. They're Vibe investing. It's I don't know if the world is ready.

33:07Rod Palmer That's my that's that's just that is just the, like, the the the Patagonia vest that you would see on Wall Street, but that's when you get to Miami. Like, if some of these VIBE investors are living in South Florida, they're living in Miami, it's gonna be, like, the the paper Bitcoin summer tank, and, you know, one of those big shoulder pad white, jackets. That's that's that's still the that's Miami suit coin.

33:32Magdalena Granowska Yeah.

33:33Richard Greaser You know, commenting on David Bailey real quick and and his stinkiness, he he looks like a guy that used to be stinky, but, you know, if you've ever seen any he he's married. His wife doesn't look like she tolerates that, so she probably whips him in the shape on that front.

33:51Magdalena Granowska So, really, all Bitcoiners need girlfriends or and then wives?

33:57Richard Greaser Well, I I think they just need to grow up. You know? They they they need to stop calling themselves plabs. Yeah. They need to go to men's warehouse. Get some chairs. Yeah. Go to men's warehouse, get a tailored suit. Yeah. Thank you. The the whole renting a tuxedo for the sailor hundred k party and not having it tailored, it's just not gonna cut it anymore. I think you're onto something. But what Why why is having a a women owned paper Bitcoin company

34:28Richard Greaser important to you?

34:31Magdalena Granowska I think so. Religious. Yeah. I've been I've been around since 2017. And, you know, back then it was really very male dominated. Then I moved more into mining because my before Bitcoin, I was into energy and carbon markets, and heavy industries, so like steel cement. So, like, mining was a better fit for me because then I could use my legacy knowledge. And it was exciting. I love honestly, I love the stuff that's happening in Africa where they're powering communities that never had power before. Right? That that's the stuff that lights my eyes up.

35:07Magdalena Granowska And so but mining's super dominated by men as well. And same thing, you know, seeing now, you know, Wall Street has traditionally been very male centered. But I think what's interesting is, like, when we all talk about, like, everybody we're trying to get everybody into Bitcoin. Right? Having more females in Bitcoin to then connect with other females

35:31Magdalena Granowska means that other women can start in, you know, investing in Bitcoin. Right? Because a lot of times we look to our friends or peers. And the reasons, so UBS, one of the larger wealth management, banks in the world, So they did studies a couple years ago around

35:48Magdalena Granowska why, you know, why do women invest versus why men invest, and and they tend to be different reasons. So having those kind of stories permeate is helpful from, like, you know, the retail slash individual investor. But I think now we have a female leader, and this isn't about, like I hate conferences that are all about investing, you know, like sorry. That that have women panels and women talk about being women. And it's like, no. Put the woman on the panel to talk about the mining or the treasuries or whatever. Like, because it's like, I don't care that you're juggling a family. Like, that's not what I'm here for. I wanna hear about your takes because you have succeeded. Right? They don't stick Lin on a woman's panel and talk about bullshit. Right? And so

36:32Magdalena Granowska having a female treasury company, leader, it signals to other women that have companies that they can invest too or maybe it will make them notice or more likely reach out to, for example, Norma and ask those questions. Right? Because they have a peer that they can connect with. Just like if, you know, you have a female friend versus your male crypto bros. Right? You might talk to your female friend more about Bitcoin. I think it's the same thing there. So so in terms of getting more

37:06Magdalena Granowska companies and it's not just about, like, paper Bitcoin companies. That's it. You know? Like, Bitcoin treasury companies. It's there's so many companies out there that are zombie companies that are just you know, they're yes. They have a stock, but they're down over time. Like, it's the Mag seven, really. Whether it's the Canadian or or The US or other stock markets, there's so many that don't have very good balance sheets. They're losing against inflation. So if not for the sake of necessarily just becoming a Bitcoin treasury company, but having a female leader that bought Bitcoin means that other

37:41Magdalena Granowska companies and corporates might have and that that are female led or, you know, might be able to have those discussions to just add Bitcoin to their balance sheet. Right? I know there's some Bitcoiners that are like, oh, no. Corporations are buying Bitcoin. It's co opted. Well, no. Bitcoin was always for anyone or everyone, potentially, even your enemy.

38:03Magdalena Granowska And so, you know, at some point, corporations were gonna buy it too, and governments. Right? Some governments, whether those are The US or North Korea. Like, they're gonna own it because we're we're we're we're pretty much in the big leagues now. Right. And having someone to talk to helps. So I think that's why it's pretty cool.

38:23Rod Palmer And it's it's really important, I think, to to know, like, what we we talk about listening to forty hours of Bitcoin podcasts, but we can that applies to men and women equally, in our advice. But it's harder for women to, I think, really get in to forty hours if they have to listen to male podcasts that include

38:47Rod Palmer libertarian politics, conspiracy theories, stuff about you. They just wanna hear about Bitcoin. And when you have, like, you know, if you if you launch your podcast, that is another option in the forty hours per week to just get straight to the point about learning about Bitcoin and some of these broader problems without without litigating all the politics.

39:08Magdalena Granowska Yeah. Because I think, you know, like, what my podcast mix is is probably very different from what your podcast mix is. And then sometimes I might go to, like, a show that I don't regularly listen to, but I'm like, oh, Lyn Alden. I wanna listen to Lyn again. Or, oh, I really wanna hear, from Cal about talking about the OG paper Bitcoin eCash. Right? So so, you know, I might hop around depending on the topic,

39:33Magdalena Granowska but I think, you know, there's certain voices that we're more likely to gravitate to. So there's always there's a podcast for you out there and you being, like, the person who hasn't never listened to a podcast before. So So I don't think it hurts. Hopefully, it will be, you know, well received. And also, yes. Like, some of the podcasts are a little

39:56Magdalena Granowska boring, so I have to bring a little bit of energy. Not all of them, but when it gets too serious, I think I think you gotta, like, brighten it up a little bit.

40:06Richard Greaser What what do you think are, talk about that difference between, like, men and women's podcast mix and what they're listening to. What do you what are your speculations on what that looks like? I do speculate probably a lot more women listen to Nat Burnell versus, like, Peter McCormack, I would think, or or Breedlove.

40:24Magdalena Granowska Right? I I do think, like, there's that bit of a connection. But also depends on sort of, like, what are you listening for? Like, for example, I always listen to the breakdown. Yes. That that's a mail, but it's, like, very short. Like, what did I miss in Bitcoin, on on Twitter this week. Right? So there's the there's those kind of, ones. I know, oh, what is her name? Oh my gosh.

40:47Magdalena Granowska She does kind of like a more spiritual, oh my gosh. What's her name? She's blonde. True Heather?

40:54Rod Palmer No. True Heather? Oh. No. No. No.

40:58Richard Greaser Hell Money with Aaron, Redwing?

41:01Magdalena Granowska No. But she's clearly you're fat. A lot of podcasts that I don't know. But I think, like so so there some people talk about oh, it was, like, like, love and money or something. Anyways, there's there's some people that maybe are more woo woo and spiritual, so that will appeal to them. Right? I think too so, like, it's interesting. I was, I think I was hanging out with a few people, including Jeff Booth, and a few people were women, and then there were the men there. Right? And Jeff Booth just for example of, like, opinions, deferring opinions. Right? Jeff Booth was very much about, like, sell your house or or don't buy a house yet because the price of homes keeps continues to drop. Right? It used to be, like, 400 Bitcoin and, like, 60 Bitcoin, a 4 Bitcoin to buy a house. Right? And and and I get that perspective.

41:50Magdalena Granowska But I think and but there was at least two of us, maybe three, you know, women that were like, I understand this, but, like, women like to have a home that they wanna call their own, where they can raise their children, their families. It's like you're not stressing about paying down your your mortgage, or maybe it's a smaller mortgage.

42:13Magdalena Granowska And and also, like, we like to invite people in our homes. We like to host parties. And if that means that I can build a solid foundation for for my family, I do want to sell some Bitcoin and buy a house. It's a very divergent opinion that maybe will seem unrealistic to, you know, women if they hear it on one you know, just one example of a type of conversation that I've seen. So I think, you know, bringing in different types of perspectives can help, because others will connect with them more. So question about Jeff Booth, is he

42:42Richard Greaser as boring in person as he is to listen to on Bitcoin podcast?

42:47Magdalena Granowska I don't think so. I think when people get into a very serious Bitcoin talking mode, they can it they can become that. Yeah. I think it's slightly different.

42:58Richard Greaser I got I gotta say, I I enjoyed reading his book, and, I enjoyed listening to him say the same thing, like, the first 10 times on podcast. But, like, ever since then, it's kinda gotten difficult. And, but yeah. So,

43:14Richard Greaser I mean, that's that's all really fascinating. That's a theme that, Sly Goomba and True Heather argued about on, their podcast. Because True Heather said very similar stuff to you. Like, she she likes her things. She likes Yep. Having a house and stability, and, it's a it's a different perspective. And until a lot of these autistic orange shells, hearing that, it sounds like failing a purity test.

43:41Magdalena Granowska Right. And and I think too, like like, where are you in your stage in right life? Right? Are you 20? Are you 30? Like, are you or are you 40, 50, 60? And I think too that you know, when you're young, you still have all this life ahead of you. You can take those risks. You can invest. But I think, like, honestly, myself too, like, I would like to get a house. I'm pretty sick of renting. Like, yes. Bitcoin can still whatever. People are like, oh, it's still gonna turn x and whatever. It's like but I don't have those twenty years that, like, a twenty year old has

44:14Magdalena Granowska to kind of you know, I've already roughed it. At some point, you have to just be like, you know what? This I wanna be comfortable. I would like my own house. I would like to invite, you know, like, when when family visits, have a room for them to stay in. And, yeah, there's a point at which you want different things and, you know, not everyone's there. And I think that's sort of the difference too.

44:39Rod Palmer What? Yeah. One of the big steps and the big journeys of watching your first year, your own podcast is deciding who who's gonna be your first guest. My first guest? Two things. What the heck to call it? There's so many podcasts out there, guys. Like You need a logo. My god. You need a name. Yeah. And who's gonna be your first guest? So what are you what ideas have you had for both of those?

45:05Magdalena Granowska You know? Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, I already own pipperbitcoinsummer.com, but but that's pretty niche. Right? I I was thinking of doing calling it Bitcoin summer because a little more happy, maybe attracts more women, but then I was, like, doing some deep dives on with the AI on GROC and, and Chachipiti. And it seems that like the more macro geopolitics,

45:32Magdalena Granowska type of, like, deep thinking is what is popular in podcasts. So then I'm like, I don't want so here's where I'm torn at. Right? I I want a podcast name that won't turn off necessarily someone that's like, ugh, it's a Bitcoin podcast. So do I go a little bit broader? In my Vibes Capital Management group chat, and this is kind of like a silly name, but there were names it was, Meg Megsplaining, like mansplaining. I mean, it's silly. I just throwing out things. I thought that was a fun one. Alright.

46:03Rod Palmer Just don't just don't call yourself miss obnoxious. That's just the one you don't wanna do.

46:11Magdalena Granowska Exactly. Right? Do I call it something, like, geopolitically related geopolitically related? It's it's a tough one. So I'm still kinda stuck on that.

46:20Richard Greaser I I've got some thoughts. I think so I think it's really important for Bitcoiners, for Bitcoin podcasters to really understand that they're the shit. They are the shit.

46:34Richard Greaser They're the ones that were right over and over and over again. They're just gonna continue to be right over and over again. And so I want you, you know, when you're going through this process, to get in your nest nicest skirt suit, go look in the mirror.

46:51Magdalena Granowska Orange skirt suit. Yeah. And

46:54Richard Greaser and just, like, have that like, when you as you look at yourself, just, like, I'm the the absolute shit. So, you know, like, here right now, I I I think a good name for it would just be the the Canadian Queen podcast.

47:10Rod Palmer It's funny because they think they're Yeah. You're you're the pioneer of, paper Bitcoin. There you go. Instead of the price instead of the price of tomorrow, the pioneer of tomorrow.

47:22Magdalena Granowska Oh, so that's a crypto pioneers of crypto. Domax. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't I won't do the crypto. I mean, I've I've retained the crypto in my handle, but it's a funnel. We're trying to get all the crypto folks to come into to Bitcoin.

47:36Rod Palmer I don't know if Fountain will let you on there if you use the name crypto. You'll have to change it to Bitcoin Max. Yeah. Yeah. Or or you like you said, drop it. Yeah.

47:43Magdalena Granowska Yeah. Yeah. So, well, for now, it's Bitcoin summer until I decide not to to if if I come up with something better, but it's it's a tough one. And then, yes, obviously, the first guest. Like, I'd love for someone like maybe Lynn Alden or I was thinking about Matt Pines because he was just at the White House, and I think he'd be close interview. But, yeah, it's it's it's a tough one. Like, who do you pick? Well, there wasn't there, like, that little kid or there was somebody that that got sailor on his first episode, and he kinda, like, immediately, like

48:12Rod Palmer yeah. Yeah. It it's you could go a lot of ways. It's some people might think that, like, Matthew Pines is a great way you get a fad on there. Like, somebody from the CIA, and that's gonna propagate. Boom. It's gonna get, it's gonna go it's gonna go viral. Lynn would be a great Lynn would be a great first guest. Yeah. Do you do is it gonna be only guess? Are you going to have, like, your share your insights?

48:40Magdalena Granowska I mean, I I can't help it. I talk, so I'm probably gonna throw some insights into. Kinda like, I guess, Breedlove, although just not go on as long as Breedlove.

48:52Richard Greaser You'll be you'll be you'll be significantly more intelligent to Breedlove. That's not that's not that hard. He does actually have some good thoughts.

49:02Magdalena Granowska So But yes. Thank you. More energy, maybe.

49:06Richard Greaser I think I think it's a question of much more charming, definitely. I think it's a question of who do you want your audience to be? Who your first guest should be? So if you want it to be women,

49:18Magdalena Granowska I should be a woman. Pines

49:20Richard Greaser is a good choice because Matthew Pines is a thirst trap for sure. He is a thirst trap for sure. For sure. Yeah.

49:28Magdalena Granowska K. Point taken. Well, I'm I'm look. I'm not just this isn't, like, towards women, but it's also, hopefully, getting more women into podcasting. Right? They It's towards everyone now. Women aren't investing in Bitcoin. They're not listening to forty hours. Like, what? We're falling behind, guys.

49:46Richard Greaser I I think it's great it's a great initiative. I think it's really important to get more women listening to Bitcoin podcast because, you know, one of the challenges a lot of men have that listen to 40 HPW is they just can't relate. Like, they they go on these dates, and they try and turn the date immediately into a Bitcoin podcast, and and the girl just doesn't care. You know? She was like, this is weird. I want him to ask me about what my astrology sign is, and then to listen to me talk about all these things.

50:14Rod Palmer And It would be it would be great to have.

50:19Magdalena Granowska Right? Sorry. Really, he needs to start talking about a true crime, but there needs to be an element in Bitcoin, and she will be hooked.

50:28Richard Greaser Yeah. Like an exchange guy that ran away to, like, Thailand and or whatever

50:34Magdalena Granowska that happened in Canada? That that that is the exchange that I helped, distribute funds for to Canadians. Right? Yes. He did. He stole the money. He went to India, then he died. Then there was, like, a whole back and forth weird thing with his body where they, like, took it they took it back to his hotel, then they took it to a hospital who didn't want it, then they sent it to, like, a university hospital. It's very, very questionable if if he ended up dying or not. And then, obviously, like,

51:03Magdalena Granowska so 200,000,000 was stolen from from users and only about 44. There was some recovered after, so may maybe max 50. This is Canadian maple syrup dollars, of course. And so but but the crazy thing was that 30,000,000 of that was actually, frozen by CIBC.

51:24Magdalena Granowska Now and that's, like, one of the biggest reasons that that didn't didn't get traded away with terrible, terrible trades for, like, ETH and and stuff like that. And so Oregon didn't get liquidated, was because it was frozen, and then the other 10 was, like, hard assets, like, Canadian real estate. So that's that's that's why there was some funds to distribute. But, yes, crazy stories.

51:47Richard Greaser That's a hot hot tip for our listeners. So if you're out there, you're you're striking out on dates, You just got the road map to make it more interesting. You can talk about Bitcoin.

52:01Magdalena Granowska Yep. Well And maybe maybe, like, this this doesn't really factor in, but, you know, like, I know I know the ladies, like, their romance novels too. That's another way we gotta get the women in. Right?

52:12Rod Palmer Yep. Make Bitcoin romantic.

52:15Magdalena Granowska No. I was gonna say Bitcoin romance novels, but, yes, Orange Pill Yeah. That actually is, like, a project that I wanna do is write a Bitcoin romance novel to just get the ladies in. Right?

52:27Rod Palmer Absolutely. Yes.

52:29Magdalena Granowska But they don't wanna read, like, The Price of Tomorrow or The History of Money or what what's Safe Dean's book? You know, yeah. They wanna they wanna yeah. They

52:40Rod Palmer They wrote read about the low time preference podcast or they meet yeah. And and then

52:46Magdalena Granowska So they wanna hear the prince who owns Bitcoin in his country's treasury.

52:53Rod Palmer Yeah. The prince of the prince of the yeah. The hereditary prince of Serbia. Yeah. Philip. There you go. He wants he was listening to Bitcoin podcast.

53:03Richard Greaser So one thing we do every show, with our guests is we read the found boost of our previous interview show. Before we get into that, I got a couple questions for you. So I think one of the thing that's, is really intimidating, for women coming into this industry is just,

53:22Richard Greaser you know, not it it's it's a whole different lexicon. It's a whole different set of customs, and it's it's a very different culture. You know, it's easy to walk on a landmine unnecessarily. You accidentally say crypto instead of Bitcoin, then everybody's glaring at you.

53:39Magdalena Granowska So You mean, like, that sent today?

53:43Richard Greaser So, like, you you've decided so there was a lot of controversy at the, the Bugle newsroom. Two of our journalists, Maggie Morris and Kaylee Welch, they were fighting. They had a huge argument on Twitter,

53:58Richard Greaser back and forth on whether you should wear a skirt or, a pantsuit to the office.

54:06Magdalena Granowska Oh, well, if you're a lady, you gotta wear a skirt suit in my opinion.

54:12Richard Greaser Why why why do you think that?

54:14Magdalena Granowska Why do I think that? I like I think skirt suits look nicer, more feminine. But I will counteract that because the patriarchy has decided that offices need to be a certain temperature, and that temperature tends to be a lot colder for women. So even though I would prefer to wear the darn skirt suit, I am forced to wear a regular suit because it's freaking cold in offices. Anyways

54:41Richard Greaser Well, you could you could just wear those, skin colored, fleece lined, lighted.

54:47Rod Palmer I didn't know about those until, like, last year. Well, have you having air conditioning at the office, that is at least what the pain would describe it means you're not a europolar. So, again, comparing to The UK, you're still ahead you're still ahead in Canada. That that was the craziest

55:04Magdalena Granowska difference when I went so I went to a conference in Miami. The first, that was my first, BTC. Like, not my first Bitcoin conference, but, like, the biggest one. And that was, like, 2021. And I was like, oh my god. It is so cold. And then I went, I think, a year later or two years ago to Prague, which gorgeous, you know, city. And it was stark difference. Like, I'd have to layer in Miami, which is ironic. And I was, like, shorts and

55:32Magdalena Granowska short sleeves in in Prague. So, yeah, the Europore air conditioning. Like, I have lived it.

55:42Richard Greaser Is that why you were walking around with the s nine backpack to stay warm in the cold air conditioning?

55:48Magdalena Granowska That was because I was trying to get a haircut with the fans. Yes. Anyway so you had questions. So you had this, that that was what you you wanted my take on skirt suits?

56:01Richard Greaser Yeah. That was the first question. I mean, that could that could be, like, a whole podcast series is, the the cultural customs of, like, you know, how to for for women coming in this industry. But,

56:13Magdalena Granowska Well, here's the funny thing. So now that I'm back sort of in the corporate sphere with the coin treasury, you know, advising a treasury company, I feel like, dang, I have to bust out those skirt suits. But for, like, the longest time at conference, yeah. Jeans. I never have to wear heels again. This is amazing. It's it's nice being a club or or just, like, an a Bitcoin industry person that wasn't in the corporate world.

56:42Richard Greaser Totally. The other question, which I I think you said you, you probably didn't. We we always ask our guests if they heard the the previous interview show we did. So we, we interviewed Charlie Spears from BroccoliSpace Media.

56:59Magdalena Granowska Okay.

57:00Richard Greaser Are you familiar with Charlie?

57:02Magdalena Granowska I actually am not. Wow.

57:07Rod Palmer Yeah. Charlie's a good dude. He runs BlockSpace. He's got he he's got a broccoli haircut, Zoomer, cofounder, Will Foxley. They really cover the mining space. So they have a mining podcast.

57:20Magdalena Granowska What is the handle? Because I've it's quite possible that I do know because but I have to see the handle and, like, the picture, the the profile picture. It's a lot like, I I tend to be sometimes very bad with names, but I visually.

57:37Richard Greaser He's wearing a suit in his, profile picture, actually. Pointer. I see.

57:43Rod Palmer There's Charlie's ticketed dude. Yeah. And we talked we talked about a lot of stuff. We talked about attacking, bickering. Okay. Yes. Okay. Yes.

57:54Richard Greaser It's an unforgettable phase. That's for sure. Yep. Very super funny.

57:59Rod Palmer Charlie is one of Platter's main nemeses. If it Yeah. We wanted to get Platter to listen. We wanted to get Platter to listen to our show, so we invited Charlie on, and I think we succeeded. Because now Platter's, tweeting about Pay for Bitcoin summer.

58:15Magdalena Granowska Nice. We don't have any problems. We just all hope he has a good day.

58:22Richard Greaser That's it. It's just what you gotta do with people like him.

58:25Magdalena Granowska Yes. It's just like the bully. Right? You don't you you can't react. Right? Because then the bully will keep bullying. You're just like, yeah. Have a good day.

58:37Unknown And that'll just make them warm.

58:40Richard Greaser Well, I feel like, you know, you can you can punch the bully in the face. Like, that's, you know, appropriate thing to do. But for predator, it just feels like you punch it down. You know what I mean? Like, he's he's he's that chubby guy that's sitting there playing me.

58:54Magdalena Granowska It's it's it's kinda sad. Like, what made you this angry?

59:00Rod Palmer Absolutely. Yeah. It's there's more life than a Nintendo, buddy.

59:06Richard Greaser So, yeah. So we interviewed Charlie. We we held his feet to the fire. We we made him answer for all of his spamming that he's doing. He's a big fan of ordinals.

59:18Magdalena Granowska Oh, okay.

59:20Richard Greaser And, it was a it was a really good conversation. He he turns out to be a, very talented musician. I was hoping that one.

59:29Magdalena Granowska Okay.

59:30Richard Greaser I think, like, we need more

59:33Magdalena Granowska Bitcoin musicians?

59:34Richard Greaser More podcasts for women, more women Bitcoin podcasters. We need more Bitcoin musicians for sure. Saying right. Well, yeah, go through these booths. Our good friend Shadrach, 10,393 sets, says, don't forget the Beastie Boys, Shadrach. I don't get that reference. Is that so I don't know Shadrach, but there was a Beastie Boys

59:56Magdalena Granowska song that was overlaid on a, it was just so good, on a, Dragon Ball z, like, clip that,

1:00:10Magdalena Granowska you know, everything comes back to Bitcoin. Right? I was like, the Vegeta meme. Yep. Yep. So that that's what what I think of there for that tweet.

1:00:20Richard Greaser I'll have to listen to that. So he says, yes. My name came from the Torah. Awesome show, guys. Hashtag 40 HPW. So we were talking about, so the only reason why, Charlie knew the reference Shadrach from the bible was because he watched Veggie Tales as a kid.

1:00:40Magdalena Granowska Veggie Tales. Oh my god. They have some pretty good songs.

1:00:48Richard Greaser So in in your opinion, is, the Tuttle Twins on par with VeggieTales? Or do they need to step up their game?

1:00:55Magdalena Granowska I really like the total twins. And I actually thought it was kind of like a Bitcoin show, but when I went through the episodes, it's actually like, the first season, I don't think even touches on, like, Bitcoin directly, but it covers a lot of the things that us Bitcoiners hope the rest of the world would know. So I think that's why it's awesome and it's entertaining.

1:01:19Magdalena Granowska Definitely would recommend it to my friends who have kids. If if we were gonna have, like, a not better than magic school bus.

1:01:31Richard Greaser If we were gonna have, like, a Bitcoin version of miss Rachel, who do you think would be the best candidate for that? Are you familiar with miss Rachel?

1:01:40Magdalena Granowska Remind me. It sounds familiar.

1:01:42Richard Greaser So she's like, she's she's like displaced, Barney and, Sesame Street. She is, like, a modern day mister Rogers, but she's a YouTuber.

1:01:57Magdalena Granowska Okay. No. I have missed that. So so sorry. Who do I think would be the female equivalent of miss Rachel? Who would be a good candidate in the Bitcoin ecosystem to replace to be the Bitcoin miss Rachel? Would it be Lina who who has, like, you know, the

1:02:13Rod Palmer Lina with the little plushie?

1:02:15Magdalena Granowska Yeah. I had a plushie around. I don't know where he went, but I have a plushie too. Yeah. Maybe. Definitely not that guy. He's not gonna be the next mister Rogers.

1:02:28Rod Palmer Maybe Isabella.

1:02:31Magdalena Granowska Isabella. She'd be a great yep. That's a good candidate too.

1:02:35Richard Greaser She she's probably gonna go through that phase. She's gonna she's gonna decide to have kids at some point, and then she's gonna be obsessed with kids, and then she's gonna become the Bitcoin miss Rachel.

1:02:44Magdalena Granowska What about Carla? You know, she has the font outfits. I think Carla would be cool.

1:02:51Richard Greaser Carla would be entertainment.

1:02:53Rod Palmer Yeah. A a Wonka Burnett's podcast, and she would have her children's YouTube channel. Yep. Perfect. Hell, yeah. The next, based is from a late stage Huddle, and I'm looking forward to to bringing this one up because, I feel a little like there's something going on here. Miscommunication. So late stage Huddle, based 6,000 sets. I said, oh, I lost it. Sorry.

1:03:20Magdalena Granowska That's anti swanism.

1:03:22Rod Palmer Yeah. We'll get into that. So anti swanism used without credit. My favorite Bitcoin power couple is Rod and Dick, and they are still they're not giving me credit for coining that term. You owe me a fountain boost now, but the future certainly doesn't have good UX. So, late stage, before we get into anti suanatism, I I was unaware that, you have a claim to the term. I think we started using it in late two thousand twenty three.

1:03:52Rod Palmer Anti swanitism is just, you know, there's people on the timeline, they have swan derangement syndrome, they think that Swan is like Swan Bitcoin? Yeah. It is just everything is oh, Swan is is is a conspiracy from Swan for the podcast and Swanfluencers and they or they're, you know, they're sponsoring the podcast. They just think that that Swan is the cause of all the problems on the timeline,

1:04:17Rod Palmer and it's they just spew a lot of anti Swanetist, you know, rhetoric and behavior. It's it's it's just troubling, so we've been calling it out for a couple of years now. Maids State Hoddle feels like he coined the term

1:04:33Rod Palmer We're gonna have to Always receipts? Research it. We're yeah, we're gonna have to share receipts here because I I do not I do not it does not sound right to me

1:04:44Richard Greaser I definitely believe we we were the first to identify the term. We we coined the term. We did we didn't coin the, the behavior though. But, yeah, when you think of anti Swanitism, you think of people like Stoney Bitzen and Udi, you know, people that are being mean to Corey, unnecessary. Like, there's a lot of reasons to be mean to Corey, but, like, they're they're just doing it for the wrong reasons. It's very unfair and deranged.

1:05:11Rod Palmer Yeah. Yeah. It's, we do not condone anti suanatism, but we do want to, get to the bottom of this late stage and give you the hundreds of stats you may deserve for this. He also based it again 5000 oh, two more times, 5999

1:05:31Rod Palmer and 5998. Did I not boost last, behind the podcast? What the actual fuck? I guess now I, I know why you forgot about me. I should never questioned your credentials. And that's a good start, late stage. Do not question our credentials as journalists.

1:05:51Richard Greaser These are some moody boots.

1:05:53Rod Palmer Yeah. Last one. There is,

1:05:57Magdalena Granowska alter

1:05:58Rod Palmer No. No. Not at all. Late stage Hoddle is, is a great friend of the show. Oh, okay. Very he loves the show. It's just, he might have been having a bad week. Might be everybody's got a little grumpy, or some people have been a little grumpy during bit pay for Bitcoin summer his last move is one day pies and he's one of our he's one of the biggest Bitcoin podcast basters on Fountain and I will meet, and I will be humbled by trying to overcome his base credentials. Frequency over volume is key. I can't seal his valor or his Bitcoin productivity with my paper book paper Bitcoin bullshit.

1:06:35Rod Palmer It's wrong think to consider my paper pioneer version of non binary booster could ever surpass buys the pleb non custodial emojis Long live the pleb. That is just a a, you know, a tribute to our our top listener pies who we'll get into at the bottom of these boosts.

1:06:57Richard Greaser So there's been a lot of people that have been concerned about paper Bitcoin rehypothecation. And I think we all know the solution to this, which is to put paper Bitcoin on the blockchain. Brilliant.

1:07:12Magdalena Granowska I don't know why I didn't think of this. But what, you know, what we could also do is proof of reserves. I mean, there's another one there. Right? But but I think I like yours. So, really, what we should come in is bring bring, like, one of the big four auditors. Right? They're gonna paper certify that the Bitcoin's there, and we're gonna put that certification on the blockchain. I that's what you were thinking. Right?

1:07:39Richard Greaser Well, yeah. I mean, it it's, I think it's the most reasonable way. And and the reason why I think it's important is necessarily to, to handle the rehypothecation and potential issue, but to appease the people that are mad at paper Bitcoin, accusing them of rehypothecation.

1:07:57Magdalena Granowska Because if you can transact think that they're mad about? Do you think that they're actually mad about rehypothecation? Or do you think they're mad about the fact that they're like, who the heck is selling? Paper Bitcoin is making like, the numbers aren't real. Are they even really buying Bitcoin? Are they selling Bitcoin? Because the number's not going up. I think they're just salty that the number's not going up. They're not understanding that there's all these old OG whales that are selling because everyone has their price. Some people wanna buy homes or

1:08:29Magdalena Granowska whatever

1:08:30Richard Greaser for their boats. And Marshall Long Marshall Long wants to bring power to Africa.

1:08:36Magdalena Granowska Right? So they gotta sell their Bitcoin. And so I think there's a little bit of saltiness there. I I it's possible that there is at least one company that they're doing shenanigans because there's always a player that seems to do some sort of shenanigans in every cycle. Right? There were ICOs, there were scam coins, we've got,

1:09:00Magdalena Granowska I mean, FTX. How many implosions of exchanges? So there's always gonna be a bad actor. I think it gets harder and harder to be a bad actor in this world. Right? There's all these regulatory requirements that are coming down. So I don't think there's a lot of shenanigans. And and honestly, most of those companies are probably using Coinbase or someone like Coinbase, and Coinbase has so much scrutiny on them. Like, it'd be hard to believe that they're doing something funny. It's if as long as Plenator's out there auditing

1:09:31Rod Palmer and monitoring the timeline, it's gonna be a it's gonna be hard for any of these companies to have reporting requirements to you to pull anything past them and and and Plenator's not allowed. Plenator's just the loudest and the grumpiest but there's people out there who are watching this all the time. They're watching the notes, they're watching the the settlements, they're watching the volume And if the market does think that somebody is playing games, that's you know, they sniff that out, and they and they they punish it.

1:10:01Magdalena Granowska And and I will say, yes. I know that Sailor has not published his proof of reserves, but there are, groups like Arkham. Right? They are tracking, and they believe, you know, pretty confidently that these are sailors. Sorry. Not sailor, but you know what I mean, like MicroStrategy's Bitcoin. So there there are sort of third parties that are providing a little bit of that proof of reserves, system. Now I I I will say one thing. I really do hope there is no rehypothecation. I mean,

1:10:28Magdalena Granowska as fun as as fun as Paperwork Coins Summer is, you know, I worked for CoinKite for a while. I saw you know? And and, I mean, I'm still a bankruptcy inspector, so I know what it's like to lose your Bitcoin right personally and and hear other stories, of people losing them. So I think, you know, if you have concerns, like, do not put all your Bitcoin in a paper Bitcoin basket or whatever you want, or gammy it up. Like, hold your own keys, whether it's all of it or a portion of it.

1:10:59Magdalena Granowska I have also talked to people that lost Bitcoin because they forgot they forgot their keys. They didn't store their seed properly. So there's, like, you know, there's risks with everything. Right? So so some people diversify that risk by holding, you know, paper Bitcoin versus and some of it is regular Bitcoin. For Canadians, for example, right, it's strategic to hold some paper Bitcoin because we get up to about, I think now it's up to about a 100,000 Canadian in our tax free savings account. So, like, you will not get taxed on a $100,000. And then as that grows, you know, if it grows to a million, it grows to a million, you will not be taxed on it. Yeah. But it's only eligible, unfortunately, for, you know, pay per Bitcoin type of vehicles, whether that's, you know, micro strategies, stock, or, ETFs. So, you know, there's different reasons for people to hold

1:11:47Magdalena Granowska different things. You know, that some of it is insured. If if you hold, because now some financial institutions like brokers, will actually let you buy Bitcoin like Wealthsimple, but that's not eligible under so the regulatory framework under insurance, but if you own ETF up to I can't remember if it's a 100 or 250,000 per institution.

1:12:08Magdalena Granowska But there's some amount that's insured. So if it's paper Bitcoin, it's insured. If the, institution goes under, there's, like, a insurance fund that's run by government Right. That all the financial institutions pay. So there's, like, there's pros and cons. Right? You really have to kind of consider, like, what are my risks? What are my biggest risks? Is it me? Like, am I the risk? Am I gonna, like, go I've lost keys. That's how I learned. Right? Right. I lost also on Quadriga. Like, that's how I learned. Right? So I don't you know, you have sometimes you have to touch that hot stove. But then also, I I wanna have some of my Bitcoin that is not taxable. So

1:12:46Richard Greaser I'm gonna hold some paper request here for you. Paper Bitcoin on the blockchain fixes this. It's the it's the happy medium. You can access paper Bitcoin. You can custody your own keys at the same time.

1:12:58Rod Palmer Yeah. That's right. Oh, magic. And no. Yeah.

1:13:02Magdalena Granowska Like, don't have, you know, eight out of 25, split keys. Like, anyways, that's just joking. Get fancy.

1:13:14Rod Palmer Don't get fancy. Honestly, don't get fancy. You're fancy with your suits, not your, not your security.

1:13:19Magdalena Granowska Can I tell you how fancy I got? I got so fancy that I encrypted a drive and I forgot my, like, crazy password that was, like, super long, and, like, I could not get into it. So, yeah, don't get too fancy.

1:13:33Richard Greaser I think we I think we all have done that. That's a that's a rite of passage. Yeah. Next boost from Trevor Agora. 5,000 stats says, in the seventies, when I was a kid, American men went shirtless in the summer. Before that, the natives were shirtless years around. As a Bitcoin podcaster, I go shirtless whenever possible.

1:13:55Magdalena Granowska Nice. Is this Steven's alter?

1:13:58Richard Greaser He's getting a son. Good for him. Yeah. Being shirtless is, is cool. I mean, it's it gives you some, like, who who's your favorite shirtless Canadian, Bitcoiner? Would it be Madax or or John? Oh. Oh, yeah. PTC Sessions.

1:14:14Rod Palmer PTC Sessions. PTC Sessions. Yes. He's put in some gym sessions. Yep. That's pretty good. Some people some people are accusing him of of having AI muscles, so I guess we'll have to see next time we see him in person and see if that proof of work and and if it's real, Ian, you own a tallow company out there, you wanna be the person who whose tallow he uses to rub on his muscles before he takes pictures. Right? Get that shiny, glistening AI muscles.

1:14:42Magdalena Granowska I I used the tallow, and and I have sent tallow sunscreen too. It's great. It's from, Claire and Fritz. It's really nice. I highly recommend.

1:14:51Richard Greaser I I get my tallow from Steak and Shake that I use on my face.

1:14:56Magdalena Granowska On your face? How What's the name text? What?

1:15:01Richard Greaser Rod, I expect, the next time we're with sessions, I expect you to have a tape measure to inspect those muscles and

1:15:10Rod Palmer So I'll be making sure we'll we'll make sure Yeah. We'll make him see if he can fit yeah. Exactly. Make sure that he's not expanding those in the, in post before he posts them online. The, the next one is from Guillaume Satoshi, 521 sats Thank you for your time Thank you! Five twenty I'll do the all the 500 here Mr. Rabbit, five twenty one sats Unplug yourself from the Matrix That's right.

1:15:40Rod Palmer Sean, 500 saps. Dennis Porter gets hard for hard money. Sean Sean knows.

1:15:47Richard Greaser He gets me hard for hard money. Talking about okay. So, like, first three guests on your new podcast are gonna be incredibly pivotal.

1:16:02Magdalena Granowska Oh, man.

1:16:03Richard Greaser So I think I've got a I've got a good outline for you. So I think Go ahead. Matthew Pines

1:16:10Magdalena Granowska Yes.

1:16:12Richard Greaser BTC Sessions

1:16:13Magdalena Granowska Sessions. Interesting choice.

1:16:17Richard Greaser And then Lyn Alden. What about Adam back instead of Sessions? No. No. You don't you don't want your podcast to be associated with Ambien. You should not have Adam back on your podcast.

1:16:32Rod Palmer A lot of people have reported that they have a hard time falling asleep at night, and they tried counting sheep, and they were struggling, and they tried Ambient. And it worked for a little while, but the only thing that has actually sustainably worked to help them fall asleep at night was listening to Add them Back podcasts.

1:16:48Magdalena Granowska Oh, no. Okay. Noted.

1:16:52Richard Greaser Yeah. I mean, if you wanna do, like, a meditative, like, zen Bitcoin podcast, like, a good one to fall asleep to, I would say Adam Back would be Okay. He'd be a good guest, but he he would be a good cohost on on that show even. That's a different kind of podcast. It's the the fall asleep podcast.

1:17:10Magdalena Granowska Right? The Bitcoin

1:17:13Rod Palmer Exactly. Or fleet. Exactly. When you are new. Podcast. So again Fall asleep on the plane. Yeah.

1:17:19Unknown There you go.

1:17:24Magdalena Granowska I will take that under advisement.

1:17:27Richard Greaser Yeah. The before well, I'll read a couple of these, and I got a question. Poopsicle 300 says broccoli is better than beef. I think referring to broccoli here. I I I don't get that. BTC on board says 300 or, salute. Thumbs up. Thumbs up. And then we got pies with, like, six

1:17:51Richard Greaser laughing faces. Like, in your opinion, Mags, who who are the biggest thirst traps in Bitcoin? So you got Sessions. You got Pines.

1:18:05Magdalena Granowska I think Isabella is becoming quite the thirst trap.

1:18:09Richard Greaser Well, for for male male Bitcoin. Oh, I see.

1:18:13Magdalena Granowska I maybe Breedlove used to be, but then the whole thing happened, which maybe changed that.

1:18:23Richard Greaser Yeah. Him him eating bull testicles

1:18:26Magdalena Granowska is weird. I agree. No. I don't think that. Hold on. Oh, good question. Oh, such a good question.

1:18:34Richard Greaser What do you think about Shinobi?

1:18:36Magdalena Granowska I haven't isn't his face always covered?

1:18:40Richard Greaser Well, I mean, I feel like I don't know. I feel like he he's been going through this incredible love, like, arc with, d plus plus.

1:18:54Unknown Oh. It's been wild to watch.

1:18:57Magdalena Granowska Is there some romance there? I love d plus plus. Yeah. Are they flirting online?

1:19:05Rod Palmer That's one way to put it. It's kinda like I was gonna bring up earlier, we have the, the show Love on the Spectrum. But we have the Love on the forty hour, the forty hour big ticket podcast per breed. And, like, I think Shinobi and and d plus plus their interaction, which would be that would be a great one for you, like you say, love affair, but it'd be an entertaining one to follow.

1:19:28Magdalena Granowska Okay. Okay. Yeah. Well, I mean, women are interested in that too. I so here here's the thing, not to bring into any stereotypes. There are some women that are attracted to a power or some other women that are attracted to wealth. So if they perceive this person to be an OG, they might be attracted to you know? So there's, like, there's different thirst traps. There's the, like, superficial looks. Right? Like, oh, damn. This gentleman, you know, is cut. There's that. Then there's the, like, oh, damn.

1:19:59Magdalena Granowska He went to the White House. He might be CIA kind of thirst trap. And then there's the, oh, damn. He's an OG miner. Like, he's got billions of dollars. He could be the next 80,000 whale selling Bitcoin. Right? So there's a lot of different thirst traps. It's kind of a hard one. Like, where does which female

1:20:22Magdalena Granowska fall into which area? Right? I don't think we have one a trifecta there.

1:20:26Richard Greaser So Pies bought fundamentals book. Posted that. So the best 2,100 stats I ever read. So anybody listening, go make sure to check out we'll have fundamentals book linked in the show notes. I started reading it this week too. I was,

1:20:48Richard Greaser enjoying it. He was spinning some fire in the, preface and introduction. You can it's it's just an interesting perspective on Bitcoin. That's what I'm finding from the book, and I'm enjoying it so far. Well, I don't know if she's coming back, but, you got any, closing thoughts on this one, Rod?

1:21:13Rod Palmer No. For those of you, that'll be a late Satteraschi. I'm looking forward to meeting you there, and hanging out. So

1:21:22Richard Greaser Alright, folks. We ran into some technical difficulties at the end of the episode, unfortunately. So we had to cut it a little bit short with, bags. The revolution won't have good UX, but really appreciate her coming on this show. She truly is the Canadian queen of paper Bitcoin. I wanna thank you all for tuning in to this edition of behind the podcast, and we'll catch you on the next one.

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