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diff --git a/wiki/transcripts/puppets-on-strings-shout-no-kings-bugle-weekly-episode-81.md b/wiki/transcripts/puppets-on-strings-shout-no-kings-bugle-weekly-episode-81.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..dadd5bc5 @@ -0,0 +1,713 @@ +--- +title: "Transcript: Puppets On Strings Shout No Kings | Bugle Weekly Episode 81" +type: transcript +episode: puppets-on-strings-shout-no-kings-bugle-weekly-episode-81 +generated: true +date: 2025-10-20 +audio: "https://feeds.fountain.fm/R8scBF2Wiykm0YVldsHQ/items/btnAEZqosYvgtu30mBaz/files/AUDIO---DEFAULT---bb196a99-b5c9-45c5-90e0-4d646a9b0628.mp3" +duration: "1:33:37" +sources: + - raw/episodes/puppets-on-strings-shout-no-kings-bugle-weekly-episode-81/bundle.json +--- + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4">0:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4" data-t="4">Welcome pioneer.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-6" data-t="6">Welcome home.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-13" data-t="13">Welcome to the podcast where you hear original ideas and perspectives,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-18" data-t="18">where credentialed journalists do the work to understand what they are actually talking about.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-23" data-t="23">Instead of just regurgitating</span> <span class="cue" id="t-25" data-t="25">ideas, they heard other people say,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-28">0:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-28" data-t="28">you are in a safe place,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-30" data-t="30">so breathe.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-35" data-t="35">Close your eyes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-37" data-t="37">and feel the relief as you breathe in.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-42" data-t="42">Notice any areas of tightness in your body.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-45" data-t="45">If you feel tightness, ask why.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-49">0:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-49" data-t="49">Be curious.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-51" data-t="51">Maybe you consumed some slop on social media</span> <span class="cue" id="t-54" data-t="54">and it's got you feeling a bit jarred.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-58" data-t="58">Maybe someone said something to you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-61" data-t="61">Whatever it is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-63" data-t="63">identify it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-67">1:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-67" data-t="67">Breathe.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-72" data-t="72">You're safe now,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-73" data-t="73">and the slop can't hurt you here.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-79" data-t="79">Breathe.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-85" data-t="85">Breathe.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-89" data-t="89">The pioneer journey is tough and sometimes you just need to stop to breathe.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-94">1:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-94" data-t="94">Do you still feel that tightness in your body?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-97" data-t="97">Has it released or has it now moved into a different area?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-106" data-t="106">Whatever the case is, notice it. The body is like the dashboard on a car.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-111" data-t="111">If there is something wrong, it will let you know in the same way. A warning light will let you know something needs to be addressed.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-119" data-t="119">Breathe.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-123" data-t="123">Notice.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-127">2:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-127" data-t="127">Breathe.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-129" data-t="129">In the same way you take care of your family by listening to forty hours of Bitcoin podcasts a week in order to be informed enough to understand how to properly navigate the fourth turning, you must take care of your body.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-142" data-t="142">Breathe.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-145" data-t="145">All will be well because you are willing to work your ass off to make sure that's the case.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-153" data-t="153">While the plebs are tying themselves up in knots, you are on the frontier building a better future for yourself and your family.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-163" data-t="163">Your children will grow up having parents that have self respect and dignity,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-167">2:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-167" data-t="167">who value curiosity and creativity.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-172" data-t="172">Breathe.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-175" data-t="175">You are on the frontier, and sometimes the frontier is dangerous,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-179" data-t="179">But you have chosen this path, not because it's easy, but because it is beautiful.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-185" data-t="185">Breathe.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-187" data-t="187">Think about that project you are building.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-190">3:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-190" data-t="190">Think about the progress you have made and are going to make.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-195" data-t="195">Think about who you were just a year ago, and how much you have grown and learned since then.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-201" data-t="201">Breathe.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-204" data-t="204">The weight of the plebs social pressure campaigns and endless sea lining has no power over you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-211" data-t="211">Breathe.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-213" data-t="213">There is no Bitcoin University on the frontier.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-217">3:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-217" data-t="217">Breathe.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-220" data-t="220">You are home.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-222" data-t="222">Welcome to the podcast that understands you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-225" data-t="225">This is a plebslop free zone.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-228" data-t="228">Now take a cigarette out,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-230" data-t="230">light it, and remember to breathe as we start the show.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-235">3:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-235" data-t="235">Alrighty, folks.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-237" data-t="237">Welcome to this edition of the Bugle Weekly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-241" data-t="241">It's Richard Greaser. Today, I'm joined as usual by Ron Palmer, and I just wanted to start out the episode</span> <span class="cue" id="t-248" data-t="248">and I want to address</span> <span class="cue" id="t-251" data-t="251">the social unrest</span> <span class="cue" id="t-253" data-t="253">that's happening</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-254">4:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-254" data-t="254">in The United States right now.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-257" data-t="257">All across the country,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-259" data-t="259">there are boomers,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-261" data-t="261">they're in the streets,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-263" data-t="263">they are protesting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-264" data-t="264">But there's no Kings protest and you know, there's some young people too.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-270">4:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-270" data-t="270">But mostly it's old people.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-272" data-t="272">There's people that are upset about Donald Trump having mean tweets.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-278" data-t="278">They've gone from mean tweets to psychopathic tweets. They're getting more and more unhinged, but they're mad about the tweets either way or the true social posts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-287" data-t="287">You got people that are upset at the idea of their entitlements getting taken away.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-295" data-t="295">You got people that are just being fed Plaid Slop and they're upset about it. The Plaid Slop is winding them up. So they're in the streets</span> <span class="cue" id="t-304" data-t="304">and they're mad.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-306">5:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-306" data-t="306">And part of the reason why they're mad</span> <span class="cue" id="t-309" data-t="309">is because what is being shown to them is a clear mirror</span> <span class="cue" id="t-314" data-t="314">of what The United States is.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-317" data-t="317">They're seeing it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-319" data-t="319">through President Trump. President Trump is a mirror</span> <span class="cue" id="t-323" data-t="323">of the psychopathy</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-326">5:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-326" data-t="326">and the just blatant corruption</span> <span class="cue" id="t-329" data-t="329">the United States government has been a part of since the inception.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-333" data-t="333">This is not a new phenomenon.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-336" data-t="336">The United States</span> <span class="cue" id="t-338" data-t="338">has been pillaging the rest of the world,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-341" data-t="341">pillaging their own people,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-343">5:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-343" data-t="343">government,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-346" data-t="346">and they've done it successfully and they sold people this bag of goods, that it was something different,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-352" data-t="352">that these wars that were fought that killed millions of people, Vietnam,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-357" data-t="357">the Iraq War,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-360" data-t="360">all these wars,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-362" data-t="362">they said,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-363">6:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-363" data-t="363">We're fighting for your freedom.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-366" data-t="366">We're fighting for your retirement, your ability to retire on Social Security and be able to gamble</span> <span class="cue" id="t-372" data-t="372">your checks away</span> <span class="cue" id="t-375" data-t="375">on slot machines,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-376" data-t="376">for having timeshares,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-378" data-t="378">for having</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-380">6:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-380" data-t="380">all of these things.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-384" data-t="384">And that that fantasy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-387" data-t="387">that these people are going out there and they're fighting your for your freedom is just being</span> <span class="cue" id="t-392" data-t="392">completely deleted.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-394" data-t="394">And these people are freaking out because they want that fantasy. They want that promise</span> <span class="cue" id="t-399" data-t="399">of safety that if they just sacrifice their children to Moloch, it's gonna be safe.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-405">6:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-405" data-t="405">So these people are out there and they're upset and they're protesting in the streets.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-409" data-t="409">They want</span> <span class="cue" id="t-411" data-t="411">somebody in charge</span> <span class="cue" id="t-413" data-t="413">that screws them real hard</span> <span class="cue" id="t-416" data-t="416">but says it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-417" data-t="417">nicely and softly. They want the decorum of when they're getting fucked</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-422">7:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-422" data-t="422">by these guys, and that's not that's not what's happening right now.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-425" data-t="425">That's not what's happening right now. And not only that, it's the foreturning,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-430" data-t="430">and things are difficult economically.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-433" data-t="433">But life isn't fair, folks.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-435" data-t="435">And this is what these people need to come to the conclusion of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-439" data-t="439">and understanding is that life isn't fair. It's all a fucking scam,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-444">7:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-444" data-t="444">and people are scamming you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-446" data-t="446">And there's two ways to respond to that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-449" data-t="449">There's probably more than two ways, but for the simplicity of this, I'm gonna give you two option.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-454" data-t="454">One is to go to the altar of Moloch and sacrifice your children, look the other way and pretend like nothing's happening,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-462" data-t="462">and just hope that they when they fuck you, they fuck you nicely,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-467" data-t="467">and that it's not too hard.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-470">7:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-470" data-t="470">That's one option.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-471" data-t="471">Close your eyes. Pretend like nothing's going on.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-475" data-t="475">Pretend like it's not a big deal that the pedophiles are telling you where you can't smoke.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-481" data-t="481">And the other option,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-484" data-t="484">which in my opinion is the preferred option,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-486" data-t="486">is you don't play by their fucking stupid rules</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-490">8:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-490" data-t="490">of either having to be a sheep or a conker or a predator where you go and just subjugate people.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-498" data-t="498">You go and find your friends, people that have morals.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-501" data-t="501">You stand with them and you collaborate with them. You don't tolerate this this bullshit</span> <span class="cue" id="t-507" data-t="507">psychopathy. But but but to the people out there</span> <span class="cue" id="t-510" data-t="510">that are protesting right now</span> <span class="cue" id="t-513" data-t="513">as a result of consuming Plebslov,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-515">8:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-515" data-t="515">that think they're they're educated,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-518" data-t="518">the the ones that are so fucking stupid that they'll sit and and listen to Bernie Sanders when he talks and think he's a serious person, they are not serious people.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-530" data-t="530">And spending time</span> <span class="cue" id="t-532" data-t="532">consumed by the K fab is not gonna be a good strategy. It's a waste of time.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-537" data-t="537">But folks,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-539" data-t="539">things</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-540">9:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-540" data-t="540">are getting crazy. Gold is ripping.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-544" data-t="544">Rod Palmer, how you doing today?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-547">9:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-547" data-t="547">Well, I think you you were on a nice long</span> <span class="cue" id="t-551" data-t="551">monologue there, and you summed it up perfectly,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-555" data-t="555">which is you can't reason with plug slot.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-558" data-t="558">No matter</span> <span class="cue" id="t-560" data-t="560">how much</span> <span class="cue" id="t-562" data-t="562">you educate and explain in how much context you try to provide,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-568">9:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-568" data-t="568">you just can't reason with plexlov that it's not because they're not trying to be reasonable.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-574" data-t="574">That's the that's the point. You can't reason with somebody who's not trying who's who's doing everything they can</span> <span class="cue" id="t-580" data-t="580">to avoid the to avoid being a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-582" data-t="582">reasonable person arguing in good faith.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-588">9:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-588" data-t="588">Well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-589" data-t="589">it's not even whether they're arguing in good faith or not.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-592" data-t="592">But if you're just regurgitating</span> <span class="cue" id="t-594" data-t="594">people that aren't arguing in good faith,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-598" data-t="598">you're essentially furthering a bad faith argument. These people the the plebs the the plebslop consumers are just amplifiers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-606" data-t="606">of the plebslop</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-607">10:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-607" data-t="607">dishers. Right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-609" data-t="609">Right. Right. They it's like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-611" data-t="611">it's like a signal boost. It's a they're relaying the slop.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-615" data-t="615">They say they say they don't wanna relay spam. They don't wanna relay</span> <span class="cue" id="t-619" data-t="619">non monitored, but they but they have no problem</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-623">10:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-623" data-t="623">relaying slot. It's pretty brutal. I mean, one one of the things that I was talking with you before this is, the lack of subversive music we we have right now.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-632">10:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-632" data-t="632">Right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-634" data-t="634">It's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-635" data-t="635">what what what when when was the last time</span> <span class="cue" id="t-639" data-t="639">somebody made</span> <span class="cue" id="t-640" data-t="640">subversive music?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-642" data-t="642">Was it I mean, people talk about rage against the machine. They were subversive in the nineties, or they were</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-649">10:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-649" data-t="649">portrayed as such,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-650" data-t="650">but now they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-653" data-t="653">now now they're at, like, the the no kings protest. Right? Same guy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-658" data-t="658">So it's it's it's part of the mainstream now. It's not subversive. But when was the last time can subversive music be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-666" data-t="666">a platinum</span> <span class="cue" id="t-667" data-t="667">a platinum album?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-671">11:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-671" data-t="671">These are, I guess, I'm trying to frame the conversation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-675" data-t="675">a little bit</span> <span class="cue" id="t-678" data-t="678">about the suit, like, your what will you even mean right now? What that even means? What the definition of that word even is right now?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-685">11:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-685" data-t="685">Well, I would argue, you know, when I think of subversive music, I think of, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-690" data-t="690">somebody like Bob Dylan.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-692" data-t="692">You know? In in in the the peak of subversive music in The United States,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-699" data-t="699">it's kind of been trending downwards. It didn't it didn't completely fall off, and it had resurgences</span> <span class="cue" id="t-705" data-t="705">through the years. Like, in in many ways, the rap</span> <span class="cue" id="t-708" data-t="708">was very subversive. Punk rock,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-711">11:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-711" data-t="711">which followed the, you know, the sixties and seventies antiwar</span> <span class="cue" id="t-714" data-t="714">music boom.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-719" data-t="719">I guess Cardi B</span> <span class="cue" id="t-721" data-t="721">is a form of subversive music, if you think about it, but it might not be subversive in the way that you want it to be.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-728">12:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-728" data-t="728">Cardi B is definitely subversive to Ben Shapiro.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-732" data-t="732">That</span> <span class="cue" id="t-733" data-t="733">is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-734" data-t="734">it's a vector. Right? I mean, think about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-737" data-t="737">music, which was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-740" data-t="740">it be very</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-742">12:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-742" data-t="742">much not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-744" data-t="744">subversive</span> <span class="cue" id="t-745" data-t="745">in its time, maybe even considered patriotic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-749" data-t="749">in its time, which would be but I mean, I can think of maybe one of the most subversive artists today who was not in his prime, Toby Keith. Could you name a more subversive artist right now than Toby Keith?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-763">12:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-763" data-t="763">I would say the Dixie Chicks are more subversive.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-767">12:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-767" data-t="767">They were in their time.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-769" data-t="769">Absolutely. And they got canceled for it. But now</span> <span class="cue" id="t-773" data-t="773">I think that they would be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-776" data-t="776">at the Grammys.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-777" data-t="777">I think they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-778" data-t="778">are still celebrated</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-780">12:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-780" data-t="780">in hindsight at the Grammys. Like, the the popular pep slop thing to to be upset about right now, there I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-787" data-t="787">as far as war wise,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-789" data-t="789">it's Gaza.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-791" data-t="791">You know, whenever whenever Greta Thunberg is on the beat on something, you know, she she's the queen of pupslop. Like, she is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-802" data-t="802">definitely the Fiat queen of Plebslop.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-804">13:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-804" data-t="804">Right. Like, that is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-806" data-t="806">she is a a great example</span> <span class="cue" id="t-809" data-t="809">of the dangers of, like, raising your kid on Plebslop.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-813" data-t="813">Like, if you raised</span> <span class="cue" id="t-816" data-t="816">your and your daughter on Plebslop that way, like, that's how that's what she turns out. Like, that's the outcome.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-822" data-t="822">That's the end product</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-824">13:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-824" data-t="824">of a life built on Plebslop.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-829">13:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-829" data-t="829">I mean, I would argue that Toby Keith was Plebslop. He was dishing out Plebslop to get the American people to think that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-836" data-t="836">the US government</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-838">13:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-838" data-t="838">should invade Iraq. It's just it's it's all about moderation. Right? Plebslop and moderation.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-843" data-t="843">It's like drinking alcohol. At the end of the day,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-848" data-t="848">ethanol is poison. It's bad for your body. Every time you drink it, your liver loses a few more cells. Your brain loses a few more cells.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-858" data-t="858">Your decisions become</span> <span class="cue" id="t-860" data-t="860">questionable.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-863" data-t="863">But</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-864">14:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-864" data-t="864">it can be enjoyed in moderation, and it does bring relief and and stress, and it does bring together people. I have, you know, good social times.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-873" data-t="873">There's a social lubricant. Plebslop can be a social lubricant. Absolutely.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-878" data-t="878">But it just should be enjoyed and moderated. You don't want to show up to the meetup</span> <span class="cue" id="t-884" data-t="884">with somebody who just absolutely main lines and just overdoes it with Plebslop. And it's just an absolute nightmare. By the end of the night, they're fighting with everybody because depending on which version and node they're running because they've just been they're just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-898" data-t="898">overdosed on Plebslot.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-900" data-t="900">And it just it ends up being a nightmare for everybody. That's You don't wanna let them go home by themselves. They might hurt themselves or somebody else.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-906">15:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-906" data-t="906">It's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-907" data-t="907">let's just moderate it, folks.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-911">15:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-911" data-t="911">Well, aged pepslop is a little bit different. So, like, you know, Toby Keith</span> <span class="cue" id="t-915" data-t="915">is definitely</span> <span class="cue" id="t-917" data-t="917">aged pepslop.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-919" data-t="919">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-921" data-t="921">it's it's stood the test of time, and it's a little bit different. You know, it's it's it's different when you're consuming</span> <span class="cue" id="t-926" data-t="926">Plebslop</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-927">15:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-927" data-t="927">in the moment as it's breaking.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-930" data-t="930">It's trying to manufacture</span> <span class="cue" id="t-931" data-t="931">consent for a stupid war</span> <span class="cue" id="t-935" data-t="935">versus, you know, looking at it retrospectively</span> <span class="cue" id="t-938" data-t="938">because it becomes kind of an iconic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-940" data-t="940">part of</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-941">15:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-941" data-t="941">American history when you think of tote when you listen to Toby Keith today</span> <span class="cue" id="t-946" data-t="946">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-947" data-t="947">you listen to the song Red, White, and Blue,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-951" data-t="951">and you think of 09/11, you think about this defining like, the pepslop that defined</span> <span class="cue" id="t-957" data-t="957">that moment in American history.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-959" data-t="959">It's almost a a history lesson going back and,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-962">16:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-962" data-t="962">consuming the old</span> <span class="cue" id="t-964" data-t="964">various forms of Plebslop that defined</span> <span class="cue" id="t-967" data-t="967">because that that's the reality is Plebslop does define different</span> <span class="cue" id="t-971" data-t="971">points in history,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-972" data-t="972">and we're gonna see it. Like, what we're watching</span> <span class="cue" id="t-975" data-t="975">in real time right now, folks,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-978">16:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-978" data-t="978">is the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-980" data-t="980">competition between different plebsloppers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-983" data-t="983">to see who can</span> <span class="cue" id="t-985" data-t="985">create the defining plebslop for this moment in history. That's what these Bitcoin podcasters are competing for. They wanna have that Toby Keith</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-994">16:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-994" data-t="994">moment. Right. It's it's it's there's maybe there's some room for more than one. Like, there's, you know, thinking about Nickelback,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1001" data-t="1001">Creed,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1003" data-t="1003">Imagine Dragons,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1006" data-t="1006">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1007" data-t="1007">Usher,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1008" data-t="1008">Little</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1009">16:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1009" data-t="1009">John.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1010" data-t="1010">It's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1012" data-t="1012">you you you know, you're getting older right when you when you listen to some of your favorite music, when you're in high school and you hear it on the classic hits radio station, proclaim Linkin Park on the classic hits radio station. Like, man, I feel old.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1026" data-t="1026">But it's the same way with Plebslop. You know what I mean? It's like if there is classic Plebslop</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1031" data-t="1031">in culture, it's like the nostalgia for the nineties. Like, the word we're gonna have a nostalgic,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1036" data-t="1036">you know, like, Surge</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1038">17:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1038" data-t="1038">Surge is Plebslot,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1040" data-t="1040">but it made it come back. It's awesome.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1044" data-t="1044">Chumbawamba,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1045" data-t="1045">I get knocked down, but I get up again. And I've read Barenaked Ladies,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1050" data-t="1050">just classic hits. Plebslop.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1053">17:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1053" data-t="1053">So here's a question I have for you. This might be controversial.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1057" data-t="1057">So in your in your opinion, was Eminem just someone that devolved into Plebslop or was he always Plebslop?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1065">17:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1065" data-t="1065">I think that's a that it's not just a you know, Eminem is a great example of this. I think Beatles</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1070" data-t="1070">is another good example of this,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1073" data-t="1073">Nirvana,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1075" data-t="1075">Oasis,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1078" data-t="1078">you know, even to some extent at at this day and age, like Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1085" data-t="1085">they were absolutely</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1086">18:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1086" data-t="1086">subversive.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1089" data-t="1089">In hindsight, it seems like they probably challenged a lot of things. I don't know.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1093" data-t="1093">It's it's so far away that it's hard to know the value of it at its time. But, like, over time, it became kind of, like, overdone.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1100" data-t="1100">And it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1102" data-t="1102">it got commercialized</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1104" data-t="1104">by its fans and and people who came late to the parade,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1109">18:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1109" data-t="1109">and they turned it into pupslop</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1112" data-t="1112">or they used it to sell pupslop. You know what I mean?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1115" data-t="1115">So Eminem didn't start that way.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1118" data-t="1118">Yeah. But I then I think the p I think the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1121" data-t="1121">you know, the people who run the music industry</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1124" data-t="1124">definitely saw the potential to turn Eminem into Pub Slop when they signed him to the record deals.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1132">18:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1132" data-t="1132">Well, I think one of the challenges</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1136" data-t="1136">so you think he devolved into Plebslop</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1138" data-t="1138">initially, was it?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1141">19:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1141" data-t="1141">I think that he achieved</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1145" data-t="1145">well, you know, the music the record label's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1148" data-t="1148">ultimate goal for him was to become Flub Slop. I think he had the potential and he reached it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1154" data-t="1154">I wouldn't I wouldn't make it negative. I would say that he reached his potential. He out he was a,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1162" data-t="1162">outspoken success or, you know, something like that.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1167">19:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1167" data-t="1167">I think</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1169">19:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1169" data-t="1169">Overachiever.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1171">19:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1171" data-t="1171">I think there's very few people. I I think what it is is a lot of these guys, they got one shot in life.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1178" data-t="1178">You got your you're like just just like the Lose Yourself</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1181" data-t="1181">song by Eminem.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1184" data-t="1184">You only got one shot. You better not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1187" data-t="1187">miss the chance to pull or whatever it is. You gotta lose yourself in the plevs lop.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1192" data-t="1192">Dude, lose yourself is the ultimate</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1195">19:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1195" data-t="1195">plebslop anthem.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1197" data-t="1197">Like, the plebsloppers, when they wake up in the morning, they're bouncing up and down their bathroom,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1202" data-t="1202">blasting lose yourself, looking at themselves in the mirror. They put on their wife beater. They got their maniacs silver chain out. They're just jumping up and down, like, you know, spinning the bars of the album. This is what I I expect the optimist feels does in the morning before he gets ready</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1218" data-t="1218">to squeeze some slop on simply Bitcoin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1221">20:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1221" data-t="1221">You know, Ruston does. You know, Ruston</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1223" data-t="1223">does.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1224">20:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1224" data-t="1224">Ruston</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1225" data-t="1225">does.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1226">20:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1226" data-t="1226">Absolutely. He does. He does like the, the the American Psycho. Like, at the beginning, he's like doing his push ups and sit ups. He's, like, doing his facial cream. He's, like, he's, like, putting on his,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1237" data-t="1237">supreme his supreme hoodie, and he's, like, alright. Let's let's lose ourselves in the club slot. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1244">20:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1244" data-t="1244">Nikko,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1245" data-t="1245">BTC Sessions,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1247" data-t="1247">they're trying to get they're trying to get Mike to do it at Simply Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1251" data-t="1251">He's, like, on the edge.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1253">20:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1253" data-t="1253">It might be Mike. He's one of those guys who has tremendous potential</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1257" data-t="1257">to to to become PlupSlot.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1260" data-t="1260">Yeah. To to make Club Slope.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1264">21:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1264" data-t="1264">Yeah. I mean, I I think what when you define</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1268" data-t="1268">I think what we're trying to define by saying subversive music is that people come along and they shift that overtim window in a notable way.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1276" data-t="1276">They have enough cultural cultural impact and relevancy that they are able</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1282" data-t="1282">to shift the window.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1284" data-t="1284">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1287" data-t="1287">I think the the problem is of why so many of these people</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1291">21:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1291" data-t="1291">devolve into pep slop is because if you make it and you shift the window, then what do you do?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1298" data-t="1298">Because the window has shifted to you, and now you're not on the outside. Now you're not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1305" data-t="1305">subversive. You're not edgy. You're not so so you devolve into pep slot.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1310" data-t="1310">Now the only way to prevent that from happening is being so far out of the Overton window, in my opinion.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1317">21:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1317" data-t="1317">Staying on the frontier.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1319" data-t="1319">Because The frontier the frontier keeps moving. If you, you know, if you stop</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1324" data-t="1324">and don't keep going with the frontier,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1326" data-t="1326">something to pioneer,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1329" data-t="1329">you it's unblocked down in the plug slot.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1333">22:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1333" data-t="1333">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1334" data-t="1334">But the the the problem is if if people are being genuine,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1339" data-t="1339">if they're being genuine</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1341" data-t="1341">and they get the Overton window to shift to them,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1346" data-t="1346">they're still</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1347" data-t="1347">themselves.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1349">22:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1349" data-t="1349">They're not they're very rarely do they, you know, change. Or if they change, then then people just don't like them anymore. You know what I mean? But I I feel like if you're if you're too far out of the Overton window and you you never convince everybody to shift over to you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1365" data-t="1365">you you still might have some success, but you're not gonna be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1369" data-t="1369">platinum.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1370">22:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1370" data-t="1370">You know what I mean?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1373" data-t="1373">Well, we're right now</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1375" data-t="1375">It's gotten to the point where</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1377" data-t="1377">all the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1379" data-t="1379">all the perspectives, all the stories, all the propaganda,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1383" data-t="1383">all the,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1384">23:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1384" data-t="1384">all the spin we've heard it all at this point.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1388" data-t="1388">And now, like, the only subversive thing now is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1391" data-t="1391">telling the truth. It's the most And telling the Right. Right. Exactly.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1396">23:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1396" data-t="1396">I mean, but that that's that's always why subversive is subversive</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1400" data-t="1400">through history is telling the truth. It's not a new phenomenon. It's just it it feels like a new phenomenon because so few people are doing it right now. And that's why headlines are so important.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1412">23:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1412" data-t="1412">Announcements.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1413" data-t="1413">So many people make announcements,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1416" data-t="1416">but the only ones</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1418" data-t="1418">you have to be able to find which ones are telling the truth. Everybody's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1422" data-t="1422">everybody's trying to tell everybody's claims they're telling the truth.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1428">23:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1428" data-t="1428">Do you have to find out which ones really are? Yeah. I mean, that that that's the thing, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1432" data-t="1432">why people are so upset at Donald Trump</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1435" data-t="1435">right now is he's fucking telling the truth.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1439" data-t="1439">He's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1441" data-t="1441">and he's just so blatant about it. You know? He's just like, oh, hey. I have a complete disdain for these people or, like, I'm a complete psychopath, and I enjoy celebrating, like, myself murdering people. Like, let's put out some, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1454" data-t="1454">you know, really crazy footage.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1456">24:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1456" data-t="1456">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1459" data-t="1459">just put some gnarly memes out.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1462" data-t="1462">Like, he he's telling the truth. They all these other politicians felt the exact same way and did the exact same things.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1471" data-t="1471">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1473" data-t="1473">it's it's so brilliant.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1474" data-t="1474">The brilliant</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1476">24:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1476" data-t="1476">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1477" data-t="1477">maybe maybe this is an example of blockchain fixing things. Right? The transparency</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1482" data-t="1482">of the corruption.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1485" data-t="1485">Because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1487" data-t="1487">all these politicians have been doing insider trading</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1491" data-t="1491">for a long time.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1493">24:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1493" data-t="1493">Trump's insider trading,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1495" data-t="1495">his meme coin, Barron's insert insider trading, and it's all viewable on various blockchains.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1503">25:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1503" data-t="1503">It's the least</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1504" data-t="1504">it's the least it's the most disgusting that anybody's ever seen. But in reality, it's the least dishonest. It's like the least abhorrent.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1514" data-t="1514">It's the most transparent. It's the most honest. Yeah. And that's what's it's it's a mirror too, B. Like, you talked about a mirror because think of like Tether.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1523" data-t="1523">People were just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1525" data-t="1525">for, you know, right or wrong reasons, They have a certain negative feeling about Tether,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1530" data-t="1530">but it is like it's it's like a, like, a TDS tether derangement syndrome.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1535">25:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1535" data-t="1535">They just don't seem they don't have the same</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1539" data-t="1539">feeling</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1540" data-t="1540">about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1541" data-t="1541">using a dollar</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1543" data-t="1543">cash to buy something at the store.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1545" data-t="1545">But</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1547">25:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1547" data-t="1547">all Tether is is a is a mirror of the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1550" data-t="1550">the dollar system, the banking system.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1553" data-t="1553">It just changes the logo and tricks people. It makes it makes that makes them think it's different.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1559" data-t="1559">And some people are naively</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1561" data-t="1561">don't see the difference. And some people see too much of a difference,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1565" data-t="1565">but it's it's just a different perspective on the truth.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1569">26:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1569" data-t="1569">Well, here here's the difference</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1571" data-t="1571">at the end of the day, which is really interesting. So, you know, like a lot of Bitcoin people we were talking about this on last week about people wasting all their time</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1580" data-t="1580">attacking the shit coins. The shit coins are the same exact thing as the entire fiat system, but without</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1586" data-t="1586">all of the legitimacy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1588" data-t="1588">given to it by all the institutions being around it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1591" data-t="1591">It's as naked and and and blatantly</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1594">26:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1594" data-t="1594">stupid and and as much of a scam as anything else.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1599" data-t="1599">But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1601" data-t="1601">JPMorgan</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1602" data-t="1602">and Schwab and, you know, all all the Citigroup,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1606" data-t="1606">they're they're go they're probably going to at some point. They're gonna bring that legitimacy to it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1611" data-t="1611">But, you know,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1613">26:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1613" data-t="1613">Pelosi insider trading doing all the bullshit, and every other politician, you know, all the bullshit corruption with Biden and Burisma, you know, all that bullshit in Ukraine.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1623" data-t="1623">It's the exact same thing as Trump doing it on a shitcoin, but where it's more blatant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1629" data-t="1629">is, you know, Solana is just really dumb,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1632" data-t="1632">and it doesn't have the legitimacy of the institutions around</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1637" data-t="1637">it. The the Epstein client list hasn't signed off on it yet. When you went to college and you got your degree,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1643" data-t="1643">your professor wasn't telling you know, trying to manufacture this fantasy</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1648">27:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1648" data-t="1648">of legitimacy that the system had.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1651">27:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1651" data-t="1651">Well, yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1652" data-t="1652">This is why this is but this is where</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1656" data-t="1656">it all comes due</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1658" data-t="1658">in the fourth turning.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1660" data-t="1660">The fourth turning is about the institutions,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1662" data-t="1662">the stories, the legitimacy,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1663">27:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1663" data-t="1663">the levers of legitimacy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1666" data-t="1666">crumble and change. They change hands or they they they must they have to evolve to survive.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1671" data-t="1671">And</span> <span class="cue" data-t="1671">by</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1673" data-t="1673">bringing in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1675" data-t="1675">the Dogecoin and and shitcoins</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1677">27:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1677" data-t="1677">and trying to make them legitimate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1679" data-t="1679">by what everything's happening, like, the the the president of The United States is shilling meme coins.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1685" data-t="1685">It's putting them it's putting the legitimacy of the two institutions side by side,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1690" data-t="1690">and it's making you realize the how like what you just said, the whole system is a scam.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1696" data-t="1696">The very nature that they are trying to legitimize this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1699" data-t="1699">and then wrap it in the compliant</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1702">28:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1702" data-t="1702">regulated</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1703" data-t="1703">securitized</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1704" data-t="1704">model</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1705" data-t="1705">that, they are going to use to sell it to you so you so they can track your taxes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1713" data-t="1713">It's all it's all a big scam, and this is when these</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1717" data-t="1717">levers of legitimacy</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1718">28:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1718" data-t="1718">will start to they lose the that's the legitimacy becomes lost.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1723">28:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1723" data-t="1723">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1724" data-t="1724">I mean, imagine</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1726" data-t="1726">if</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1728" data-t="1728">Vitalik</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1729" data-t="1729">or, you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1730" data-t="1730">know, whoever was running these chains. If they passed my my HODL tax,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1737">28:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1737" data-t="1737">proposal</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1738" data-t="1738">that I submitted for Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1742" data-t="1742">If one of these guys that runs these chains or there was some sort of consensus model in Bitcoin where you were taxed,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1748" data-t="1748">where just little bits of your holdings were taken from you, like, people would lose their minds.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1753" data-t="1753">But they don't lose their minds</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1757" data-t="1757">when the Epstein client list does it via the IRS.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1761">29:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1761" data-t="1761">When when taxes are withheld</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1764" data-t="1764">on every w two paycheck that you earn,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1770" data-t="1770">and you you go to the grocery store and you have to pay taxes, like peep for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1776" data-t="1776">for cigarettes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1779" data-t="1779">People don't freak out about that. But what's what what is the difference</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1783" data-t="1783">between the two?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1785">29:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1785" data-t="1785">It's all the institutional</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1788" data-t="1788">legitimacy</span> <span class="cue" data-t="1788">that's brought to it. This this collective,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1793" data-t="1793">psychosis of of this behavior being appropriate. The detachment</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1798" data-t="1798">from a reality.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1799" data-t="1799">I mean, what what do you expect from a society that doesn't smoke cigarettes</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1803">30:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1803" data-t="1803">or listen to forty hours of Bitcoin podcast? They're they're out there</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1807" data-t="1807">in the streets.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1809" data-t="1809">The no kings boomers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1811" data-t="1811">are out there in the streets. And what are what are they yelling about? They're yelling about more shit getting taken from you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1817" data-t="1817">So they would be the ones</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1818" data-t="1818">right now you know, you think about the knots first core debate, like, twenty years from now, the types of things that people are gonna be arguing about.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1827">30:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1827" data-t="1827">I we well, the plums have turned Bitcoin into a proof of stake system,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1833" data-t="1833">and would they be screaming in the streets</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1836" data-t="1836">that the HODL tax needs to be raised higher? Michael Sandler has too much Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1842" data-t="1842">We need to hodl tax him.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1845" data-t="1845">Bernie Sanders is up there screaming. There shouldn't be any</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1851" data-t="1851">Bitcoin millionaires.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1855">30:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1855" data-t="1855">Yeah. You should not be able to have a million Bitcoin even if you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1860" data-t="1860">even if you're Michael Saylor, even if you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1864" data-t="1864">discover digital energy, it's you kinda move into</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1869" data-t="1869">this crazy change that's happening.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1872" data-t="1872">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1874" data-t="1874">is plebs lock holding</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1877">31:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1877" data-t="1877">Bitcoin down? Is that like gold is ripping?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1879" data-t="1879">Is gold doesn't have any plebs lock attached to it?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1883">31:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1883" data-t="1883">Gold has a fuck ton of plebslop.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1887" data-t="1887">Explain.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1888" data-t="1888">Peter Schiff is oh, explain the the gold plebslop.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1892" data-t="1892">You listen to any</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1894" data-t="1894">you listen to any AM radio station,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1898" data-t="1898">and they're just doing throwing Boomerslop out, get trying to get you involved</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1902">31:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1902" data-t="1902">to invest in gold,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1903" data-t="1903">to invest in bullion, to invest in,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1909" data-t="1909">paper bit or paper gold</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1912" data-t="1912">everywhere.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1913" data-t="1913">You go on all these podcasts that aren't Bitcoin podcasts,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1917" data-t="1917">and and there's, like, three things that they're trying to sell you right now. Some sort of supplement,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1924">32:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1924" data-t="1924">gold</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1925" data-t="1925">or actually four. I like tax</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1928" data-t="1928">relief, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1930" data-t="1930">law firms that'll help help you fight against the IRS.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1934" data-t="1934">The fourth one is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1937" data-t="1937">our VPNs.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1938">32:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1938" data-t="1938">I forgot what what number I'm on, but it's gold. They're they're shelling gold</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1943" data-t="1943">on all these fiat podcasts right now. The slop</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1947" data-t="1947">is relentless.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1949">32:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1949" data-t="1949">Oh my gosh. So I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1951" data-t="1951">that's the problem. That is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1955" data-t="1955">we we thought</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1956" data-t="1956">that all the boomers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1958" data-t="1958">were buying the ETF.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1960" data-t="1960">We thought the boomers</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1961">32:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1961" data-t="1961">were</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1963" data-t="1963">buying paper Bitcoin, perhaps,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1965" data-t="1965">you know, or, or we thought the boomers were, but were DCAing on River and Swan, like we told them to.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1971" data-t="1971">And we assumed they were</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1973" data-t="1973">because they seemed kind of happy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1976" data-t="1976">and they seemed like they were hopped up on BLEB slot. So how could they not? And they were listening to all the, all their podcasts, all the things they see on TV were about,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1985">33:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1985" data-t="1985">just pretty much the same thing of ordinary taxes,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1988" data-t="1988">hating the IRS,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1990" data-t="1990">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1991" data-t="1991">number go up technology, but they were consuming gold slot</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1995" data-t="1995">and we were</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1997" data-t="1997">consuming</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1997">33:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" data-t="1997">Bitcoin flip slot.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2000" data-t="2000">And now they're all they've been the members have been hyped up October. They're buying gold and they're not buying they're not buying the ETF like we thought. You're ready for my controversial take?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2010" data-t="2010">Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2012">33:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2012" data-t="2012">I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2015" data-t="2015">the, gold pled sloppers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2017" data-t="2017">and the Bitcoin pled sloppers are on the same team. They want similar goals.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2022">33:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2022" data-t="2022">They hate each other more than anybody.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2025">33:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2025" data-t="2025">Well, they they're competing with each other over whose bags get pumped the most.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2032" data-t="2032">That's what it comes down to at the end of the day. Like, the the Bitcoin people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2036" data-t="2036">don't necessarily want Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2038" data-t="2038">to be the primary thing because they think it's better than it like, sure.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2043" data-t="2043">You've heard it on every podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2045" data-t="2045">People compare bit the the,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2049">34:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2049" data-t="2049">qualities of Bitcoin and gold.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2051" data-t="2051">But at the end of the day, the most basic quality that is being used for, both of them right now,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2057" data-t="2057">that's really important for people is a store value that isn't a corporate meme stock scam</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2065" data-t="2065">or or a Solana meme coin. That's the that's the primary value</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2069" data-t="2069">when everything's breaking down is a store of value to be able to walk away</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2074" data-t="2074">and get on the Titanic of sorts. So, you know, these people that are buying both of these assets</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2080">34:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2080" data-t="2080">are trying to do the same thing,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2083" data-t="2083">and they're having the same effect.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2085" data-t="2085">Now, sure,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2086" data-t="2086">the gold people are underperforming,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2088" data-t="2088">but they're doing a lot better than their their peers,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2095" data-t="2095">especially in the most recent weeks. But they're they're they're literally on the same team.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2101">35:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2101" data-t="2101">And it and I think there there's a question of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2106" data-t="2106">what's the goal here? Is the goal is the goal to have people that can afford houses,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2112" data-t="2112">afford to be productive members of society and work hard, be able to save, be able to raise their children and focus on that, to have some sort of financial stability?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2122" data-t="2122">Or is the goal to have everybody saying there's no second best?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2128">35:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2128" data-t="2128">So you're you're, like, you're essentially echoing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2131" data-t="2131">Lawrence Lepard's message.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2134" data-t="2134">I don't know if you noticed, but Lawrence Leppard was actually, like, in the x, trending in, like, the we could where they had a story and, like, a curated set of tweets about it. But it was just a list of Lawrence Leppard telling all the gold bugs, all the gold tub slot farmers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2150" data-t="2150">to fuck off and to stop the little ink Bitcoiners and plebs, and that we're all in this fight together. And that he was he he thought both sides</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2157" data-t="2157">needed to see the value</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2159" data-t="2159">in in in the situation.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2162">36:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2162" data-t="2162">So your team look hard.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2165">36:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2165" data-t="2165">Well, he he's he's the I'm just analyzing what these guys are doing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2169" data-t="2169">Lapard Lapard is trying to unite the Plov Sloppers because he he is a Plov Slopper.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2176" data-t="2176">He loves</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2179">36:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2179" data-t="2179">that he,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2180" data-t="2180">he, he, he's he's been</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2185">36:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2185" data-t="2185">before there was pleb slop before there was a term for it anyway,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2189" data-t="2189">you know, which it was, it was doomer slop and doomerslop goes back to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2195" data-t="2195">I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2196" data-t="2196">the 80s, the 70s.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2198" data-t="2198">It's like the the death the death of the dollar system.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2202" data-t="2202">It's not it's not backed by gold anymore. Like, they they those guys have been dealing in doomerslop</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2208">36:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2208" data-t="2208">for decades.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2210" data-t="2210">And who knows it better? Who could tell you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2213" data-t="2213">the two sides you're on the same team</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2215" data-t="2215">with a better perspective and a better</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2218" data-t="2218">but lower time preference horizon</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2221">37:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2221" data-t="2221">than an old than old gold bug like Larry. Yeah. The it it it's pretty wild when you go back and listen to old conspiracy theory stuff that people are into. You remember Pico oil?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2232">37:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2232" data-t="2232">Pico I do remember Pico oil. Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2235" data-t="2235">We're running out.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2237">37:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2237" data-t="2237">Climate change, that was that was a form of doomer slop, for sure.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2242">37:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2242" data-t="2242">The hole in the ozone layer</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2244" data-t="2244">back in the late eighties, early nineties.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2246" data-t="2246">We're burning all in the ozone layer.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2249">37:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2249" data-t="2249">I think the world should have ended, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2252" data-t="2252">three decades ago</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2254" data-t="2254">when they first started predicting the end of the world was coming at the end of the decade because of some sort of climate change.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2260">37:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2260" data-t="2260">The Mayan calendar. The Mayan calendar. Even Khan accounts.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2265">37:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2265" data-t="2265">The cold war</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2266" data-t="2266">and people were, yeah, the Mayan calendar, 2012.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2270" data-t="2270">The cold Doomsday clock.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2272">37:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2272" data-t="2272">Yeah. The cool the cold war doomsday clock. Yeah. Y t k.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2276" data-t="2276">I remember Y t k. We were out. Well, I'm I'm out with my family watching the fireworks tour and wondering if the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2282" data-t="2282">if all the power was going to go out,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2285" data-t="2285">if the world was going to end.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2287">38:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2287" data-t="2287">Could you imagine if Bitcoin was launched in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2291" data-t="2291">1998?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2292">38:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2292" data-t="2292">They would add a hard fork.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2294" data-t="2294">They could talk of it. The Y2K fork.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2297">38:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2297" data-t="2297">Well, how many Twitter spaces would there be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2301" data-t="2301">discussing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2302" data-t="2302">the potential for Bitcoin to be shut down</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2305">38:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2305" data-t="2305">because of Y two ks? There would have been a lot of game theory discussed in those spaces. Though they're gonna have their own Y two k moment in, like, a hundred</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2313" data-t="2313">years or something like that because the do you mix time,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2317" data-t="2317">like, rolls over to the nineteen seventies?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2320" data-t="2320">So you gotta fork to a new</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2322" data-t="2322">time stamping,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2324" data-t="2324">They go wherever. I I don't know the specifics. I think they I think the answer is</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2330">38:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2330" data-t="2330">they already had the answer to it. They just have to do it. Yeah. I mean, the day the danger of Pub Slop at the end of the day, ultimately,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2336" data-t="2336">is it has</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2338" data-t="2338">gravity behind it,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2341" data-t="2341">and it'll suck you in.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2344" data-t="2344">And if you immerse yourself, it's just all if that's if literally the only thing you consume, even even if you're, like, a a pretty rational person, it's just like the inputs will affect the outputs</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2355" data-t="2355">at the end of the day. What you consume, you consume It's like seed oils. It's like seed oils.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2361">39:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2361" data-t="2361">It's why it's why I hang out in the the intellectual Silk Road.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2366" data-t="2366">So I don't wanna be consumed by the Podkoff Plebslop.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2370" data-t="2370">It'll get you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2371" data-t="2371">It doesn't matter how how strong you are. You will succumb</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2375" data-t="2375">to the gravity of Plebslop</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2377" data-t="2377">eventually.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2378">39:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2378" data-t="2378">And you won't even, you won't even notice it. It won't, it won't be like you wake up one day and you're just sitting in blood slop. It's a slow slippery slope</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2387" data-t="2387">and it just, it's like your, your pancreas.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2391" data-t="2391">You put too much sugar and junk food in your body, you get insulin resistance</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2395">39:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2395" data-t="2395">and you get plug slop resistance. I think the person that resists that ultimately at the end of the day,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2403" data-t="2403">they just don't feel good.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2407" data-t="2407">They don't feel good</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2409" data-t="2409">with the trade offs</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2412" data-t="2412">of creating the pep slop. Like, they they'd rather</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2416" data-t="2416">face the hard path before because it's just so debilitating</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2420">40:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2420" data-t="2420">to them.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2421">40:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2421" data-t="2421">And they're not even bullish. It doesn't even make them bullish. It just makes them grumpy.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2426">40:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2426" data-t="2426">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2427" data-t="2427">It just makes them feel sick. You know? Those people won't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2432" data-t="2432">last very long. I I think you see this happen over and over again every cycle is you you see somebody go on the pod comp</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2440" data-t="2440">circuit,</span> <span class="cue" data-t="2440">and then they just fall off. Like, they're they're the hottest thing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2444" data-t="2444">on the block.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2445">40:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2445" data-t="2445">They go on everybody's podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2447" data-t="2447">within a three month period.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2450" data-t="2450">You remember that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2453" data-t="2453">what was that guy's name? Laser Hoddle or something like that?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2457">40:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2457" data-t="2457">He's on these. He is a super hella active on Noster now. But, yeah, he'd burn out.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2463" data-t="2463">That was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2466" data-t="2466">him and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2467" data-t="2467">Jay Weatherman.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2471" data-t="2471">Do Jay Weatherman's had</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2472" data-t="2472">yeah. Jay Weatherman's</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2474">41:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2474" data-t="2474">had spy out and had to restart a few times, but he used to do that. There's no keeping that guy away, but him and laser novel used to be on, like, the the fire is rampage,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2485" data-t="2485">on Bitcoin Twitter.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2487" data-t="2487">That's, like, $21.22.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2489" data-t="2489">Texas Slim. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2493">41:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2493" data-t="2493">American Hoddle</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2494" data-t="2494">kinda had this moment. He he's done a little bit of resurgence, but I think he got pretty tired of it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2500" data-t="2500">Stetsky. I don't know if Stetsky got tired of it or people got tired of him. Breedlove's</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2505">41:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2505" data-t="2505">he's he's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2508" data-t="2508">weathered a lot of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2511" data-t="2511">controversy.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2513">41:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2513" data-t="2513">Well, breed breed love is the example of somebody who sticks with it. You know what I mean? They're they're willing they're willing to dish the plant slop no matter</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2521" data-t="2521">what the cost is.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2524">42:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2524" data-t="2524">I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2526" data-t="2526">Breedlove started</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2528" data-t="2528">in in 2021</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2530" data-t="2530">on Clubhouse</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2532" data-t="2532">with Elon Musk</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2534" data-t="2534">and Eric Weinstein in a debate</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2536">42:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2536" data-t="2536">about Bitcoin. Now</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2539" data-t="2539">now Breedlove is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2541" data-t="2541">interviewing Justin Beshler</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2543" data-t="2543">with his cohost, Eric V stacks.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2545" data-t="2545">Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2549" data-t="2549">his his career trajectory</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2551">42:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2551" data-t="2551">is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2552" data-t="2552">it's in his his it is it's just all up</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2556" data-t="2556">Straight up.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2557">42:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2557" data-t="2557">Straight to higher signal. So I think the boomers are gonna get rugged. This is part one of the reasons why you want cold to pump</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2565" data-t="2565">is because you want the base boomers to be able to retire</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2568">42:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2568" data-t="2568">and not The boomers, the boomers,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2572" data-t="2572">gale stay up late at night. They are ready</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2575" data-t="2575">when Asia decides not to send it anymore. And Asia starts to send it down, send the crash when the when the Japanese are like, alright, We'll do yield curve control even harder.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2586" data-t="2586">And they send and they send the gold price plunging. The boomers won't even find out.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2591" data-t="2591">Boomers will be asleep when Asian when the Asian markets open.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2596">43:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2596" data-t="2596">Yeah. You</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2598" data-t="2598">so</span> <span class="cue" data-t="2598">the people that were banking on the entitlements, let's be honest here,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2603" data-t="2603">they weren't paying attention.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2606" data-t="2606">They weren't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2607" data-t="2607">contributing a whole lot.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2610">43:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2610" data-t="2610">The people that banked on that as being their retirement,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2614" data-t="2614">these people that worked for the government their whole lives and expected a government pension, the people that, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2619" data-t="2619">had social security as, like, their retirement plan.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2625" data-t="2625">But the you you don't want the base boomers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2628" data-t="2628">getting fucked in this scenario when the when the social security rug pull comes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2633" data-t="2633">You want the base in the Medicare too.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2636">43:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2636" data-t="2636">You want</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2638" data-t="2638">the guys that have, like, 50</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2640" data-t="2640">guns,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2641" data-t="2641">the ones that have been huddling</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2643" data-t="2643">fully automatics</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2644" data-t="2644">machine guns</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2646">44:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2646" data-t="2646">since before this assault ban,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2651" data-t="2651">the guys that have, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2653" data-t="2653">a 100,000</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2654" data-t="2654">bullets of every caliber,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2657" data-t="2657">the people that are stacking bars of gold,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2659" data-t="2659">the people that were listening to Bill Cooper back in the day,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2664">44:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2664" data-t="2664">we want those guys doing well in retirement</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2668" data-t="2668">because that's that's the modern day forty hour per week Bitcoin podcast listener. The the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2675" data-t="2675">they're the old school version of that.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2678">44:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2678" data-t="2678">Yeah. You wanna you wanna be in a cabin with a guy who has buck antlers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2684" data-t="2684">all over the walls.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2686" data-t="2686">Carhartt.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2690">44:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2690" data-t="2690">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2691" data-t="2691">The old school</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2693" data-t="2693">pioneer.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2695" data-t="2695">Some of these guys might have been in, militia groups back in the day before,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2700" data-t="2700">the FBI completely tore</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2702">45:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2702" data-t="2702">You don't you don't wanna be siding with the boomers who are who are riding</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2706" data-t="2706">their bicycles naked down the street. You wanna be with the boomers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2710" data-t="2710">with the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2713" data-t="2713">with the extra pool, with the timeshare</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2717" data-t="2717">on the mound side.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2719">45:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2719" data-t="2719">This is the exciting thing that Bitcoin saves us from is having to join a right wing militia herb.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2726" data-t="2726">We don't have to do that anymore because we have Bitcoin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2730">45:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2730" data-t="2730">Right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2731" data-t="2731">We don't have to go to Idaho</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2734" data-t="2734">in in up into the mountains</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2737" data-t="2737">where even the the the Starlink Internet is kinda spotty.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2742" data-t="2742">Like, we wanna be, and we can still stay where we can draw on spaces and warning</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2747" data-t="2747">and listen to Darkseid</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2748">45:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2748" data-t="2748">and Joe Carlasar</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2750" data-t="2750">go at it about the macro outlook.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2754">45:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2754" data-t="2754">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2756" data-t="2756">Bitcoin Bitcoin's like the digital kill dozer</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2760" data-t="2760">in a lot of ways.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2762" data-t="2762">It's like a kill dozer on the financial system.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2765" data-t="2765">So instead of having to go spend six months renovating an old tractor</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2770" data-t="2770">just to be able</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2771">46:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2771" data-t="2771">to spend a couple hour rampage knocking over government buildings,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2776">46:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2776" data-t="2776">you can start using Bitcoin. I know. And old people just don't have that. Old people just don't have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2783" data-t="2783">that escape valve, that digital</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2786" data-t="2786">read that that digital sovereignty.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2789" data-t="2789">They gotta carry their big, little heavy bags up to the mountains in Idaho</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2793" data-t="2793">in the middle of winter</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2796">46:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2796" data-t="2796">surrounded by Feds. They they could though. That's the that's the thing, but they they won't.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2802" data-t="2802">And and this is how you do</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2804" data-t="2804">it as a gold bug boomer</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2807" data-t="2807">is you got your gold,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2810" data-t="2810">and you think of gold as, like, on chain Bitcoin. You got your bullion sitting somewhere in your house. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2817" data-t="2817">Most of the plums aren't smart enough to secure their Bitcoin anyways. If somebody, you know, comes and attacks them, they'll get their seed phrase taken. It's probably best in a lot of circumstances</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2828">47:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2828" data-t="2828">because it's probably less dangerous, but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2831" data-t="2831">like the feds get you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2833" data-t="2833">They want to add to the strategic reserve, you know, whatever the scenario is. So I don't want to hear any arguments about the security. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2840" data-t="2840">the the gold bugs, they got their gold</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2842" data-t="2842">sitting in their vault or, you know, buried in the backyard. However,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2845" data-t="2845">these boomers store their gold.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2848">47:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2848" data-t="2848">And then they've got their bullets</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2850" data-t="2850">and the bullets act as</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2853" data-t="2853">like the lightning network, where it's actually the transaction layer that people are doing small commerce in. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2862" data-t="2862">so,</span> <span class="cue" data-t="2862">you know, Pablo Escobar had the had the phrase like, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2866" data-t="2866">letter silver.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2868">47:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2868" data-t="2868">In this case,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2871" data-t="2871">it's kind of the same idea except the bullet doesn't signify violence. It just signifies micro transactions.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2877" data-t="2877">But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2879" data-t="2879">it's kind of impractical to do this in a lot of ways, even though it makes a lot of sense. Like, you just price things at bullets as a way better measurement than</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2888" data-t="2888">a value than the dollar.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2891">48:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2891" data-t="2891">What</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2893" data-t="2893">advice do you have to people who are sitting on some pretty heavy silver bags or paper silver bags right now? Do you think they should hold on to that?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2901" data-t="2901">Or do you think that they should pivot into gold or Bitcoin or or or tethered gold? I think,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2908">48:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2908" data-t="2908">owning silver right now is kind of like owning Ethereum.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2911" data-t="2911">Like, sure, it'll pump,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2913" data-t="2913">but it won't pump as much. This has been the case over and over again.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2917" data-t="2917">I think, you know, it'd be or it's like holding you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2921" data-t="2921">how how well did</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2923" data-t="2923">the Litecoin narrative of Litecoin being silver to Bitcoin's gold? Like, how long did that last? Like, that's the same exact thing as silver. It it this has been the case, you know, if you read</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2933">48:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2933" data-t="2933">any of these Bitcoin books, they'll talk about the gold standard versus the silver standard and how all the silver standard countries got fucked and eaten alive by the gold standard countries.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2944" data-t="2944">Like, it it's just this has been a a bad trade for a long time.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2953" data-t="2953">So it's kinda retarded.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2955" data-t="2955">So silver,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2956" data-t="2956">my my so the gold bugs should be shitting on the silver bugs and calling them shitcoiners.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2962" data-t="2962">That's what should happen. They should be upset at the silver people for sucking liquidity.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2966">49:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2966" data-t="2966">The people that are promoting silver, they're promoting scams.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2971" data-t="2971">The paper silver people. They need to be attacking the paper silver people.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2977" data-t="2977">Ghost of Dick Whitman. Who who's the gold version of Ghost of Dick Whitman? He better be shitting on</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2983">49:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2983" data-t="2983">silver every day. A game. They're they're a lot they're very tall or into over there. They've been very tall or the others precious metals, the other, industrial metals. It's kinda like a big commodity community.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2995" data-t="2995">But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2996" data-t="2996">I don't know.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2998" data-t="2998">There might be a few</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2999" data-t="2999">gold maxes.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3002">50:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3002" data-t="3002">There needs to be a clear gold maximalist community.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3005">50:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3005" data-t="3005">They like a core eclipse then</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3008" data-t="3008">to war of gold</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3010" data-t="3010">to warn everybody to call out to the silver mining scams and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3014" data-t="3014">all those things. Definitely important.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3017">50:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3017" data-t="3017">Yeah. We need we need gold maximalist</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3019" data-t="3019">conferences and podcasts</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3021" data-t="3021">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3023" data-t="3023">merchandise.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3025">50:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3025" data-t="3025">They have a lot of work to do if they wanna catch up. That's what we're saying.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3029">50:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3029" data-t="3029">Is Peter Schiff</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3030" data-t="3030">he's not he's not hardly as wealthy as Michael Sailor, but would he be considered, like, gold's version of Michael Sailor these days, you think? Is Is he the biggest Gold influencer?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3041">50:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3041" data-t="3041">He could be, but he seems to be just rather go on Bitcoin podcast instead of Gold podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3047" data-t="3047">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3049" data-t="3049">I kinda look at him more</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3051" data-t="3051">like gold's defense attorney.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3054" data-t="3054">Like, right now,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3055" data-t="3055">gold is on trial.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3057">50:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3057" data-t="3057">Boomers are looking at it. They're like, oh, if Bitcoin seems to over outperform here,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3063" data-t="3063">the younger generations are looking at it. The media institutions are looking at</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3066" data-t="3066">it. The media institutions are looking at gold, and they're like, is this really is or is it is it Bitcoin?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3070" data-t="3070">And so gold is on trial. Peter Schiff is the you know, he's like Johnny Cochran.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3075" data-t="3075">He is never ever ever going to admit</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3079" data-t="3079">that,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3080">51:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3080" data-t="3080">if there's anything wrong and that that day point is better, Nicole is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3084" data-t="3084">inferior.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3085" data-t="3085">He's gonna basically do a sea lion. He's just gonna constantly,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3091" data-t="3091">just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3093" data-t="3093">defend his client</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3094" data-t="3094">in the court of public opinion. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3098">51:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3098" data-t="3098">Would you say that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3101" data-t="3101">using bullets is like a payment</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3104" data-t="3104">mechanism. Like, you go to your rancher,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3106" data-t="3106">you buy a half cow from them in bullets</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3109" data-t="3109">instead of gold.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3111" data-t="3111">Is that kind of more like using Monero? Or would you say that's like the lightning number? Or is it like using USDT</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3118">51:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3118" data-t="3118">on liquid?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3121">52:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3121" data-t="3121">It's a little bit of this, a little bit of I think it's, you it's really important to balance</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3126" data-t="3126">the channels if you're gonna use bullets and ammo</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3130" data-t="3130">as and as as to, like, as, like, a bar tap to keep tap. Because if one side gets too many, you know, the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3139" data-t="3139">the balance the liquidity becomes imbalanced, one side,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3143" data-t="3143">has all the bullets,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3145" data-t="3145">well, then</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3147">52:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3147" data-t="3147">you're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3148" data-t="3148">kinda at their mercy.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3150">52:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3150" data-t="3150">Well, it's the same thing as as Bitcoin, you know, because when you're going around and you're paying people Bitcoin, you don't wanna pay</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3158" data-t="3158">retarded communist</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3159" data-t="3159">Bitcoin, you know, because you don't want them to have more Bitcoin than your guys. So when you're going and you're spending your Bitcoin, you're spending it with people that you wanna have Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3167" data-t="3167">And it's the same thing with the bullets. You know, when you're spending bullets, you're you're wanting to spend with people that you wanna have bullet</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3174" data-t="3174">at the end of the day.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3176" data-t="3176">And you don't this is one of the crazy things about the the change of incentive structure when you're dealing with a scarce item</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3184">53:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3184" data-t="3184">and spending a scarce item that increases in value. You wanna you know, it's like it's like leaving your equipment</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3191" data-t="3191">in Afghanistan.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3193" data-t="3193">If you're living at United States, when you pull</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3195" data-t="3195">out, you're leaving your sats</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3198" data-t="3198">with</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3200" data-t="3200">the party that you,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3202">53:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3202" data-t="3202">who will be the best steward of it and use it to control the situation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3208" data-t="3208">in the community.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3211">53:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3211" data-t="3211">Yeah. I mean, the CIA has been trying to do this for a very long time. They just wanna make sure the resources</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3217" data-t="3217">are properly allocated. Do we, do we shout out Kim Jong Un last week?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3223">53:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3223" data-t="3223">No. We should do it every week, though.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3226">53:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3226" data-t="3226">Yeah. I just wanna give a shout out to my boy, Kim Jong Un.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3231" data-t="3231">He's the OG Bitcoin president.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3234" data-t="3234">He was the first,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3236" data-t="3236">visionary</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3237" data-t="3237">leader. And this is kind of one of the powers that the the Juche ideology,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3243" data-t="3243">that the great leader proclaims</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3245">54:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3245" data-t="3245">is. It is about self sovereignty. So when he saw Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3250" data-t="3250">it clicked.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3252" data-t="3252">He he gets it. He's North Korea</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3255" data-t="3255">living on a Bitcoin standard. Shout out to the to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3258" data-t="3258">the fearless leader. Shout out to North Korea.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3262" data-t="3262">Congratulations</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3264">54:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3264" data-t="3264">on expanding your Bitcoin stack.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3267" data-t="3267">Really bullish. I hope that David Bailey will invite you to a conference to speak someday.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3273">54:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3273" data-t="3273">And we should be on social media</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3275" data-t="3275">under you could be you could use the handle chooch huddle. That's a great idea.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3281">54:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3281" data-t="3281">We yeah. We need we need the North Korean plaubs on the Oster.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3285" data-t="3285">But I think, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3287" data-t="3287">the part of the base nature of Kim Jong Un is he realizes how retarded the plaubs are, and he's not gonna let his North Koreans, which he has turned into pioneers through</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3297">54:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3297" data-t="3297">some pretty pretty brutal methods, I would say. He's kind of he's kind of a trial by fire guy, you know, for his people. Kim's to help lower people's time preference. We'll see if that is the right way to go about it. I don't know. Did you, did you watch any of the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3314" data-t="3314">livestream of the Canadian</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3316" data-t="3316">Club Slop conference?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3318">55:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3318" data-t="3318">I did. The one talk that I I watched a little bit of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3322" data-t="3322">Niko and Tomer.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3324" data-t="3324">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3325" data-t="3325">those guys hurt me a little bit when I listened to them. So I felt a little bit of pain, and then I listened to I made sure to tune in when fundamentals was on with,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3334">55:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3334" data-t="3334">Larry Leppard. What was, what was that discussion all about?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3339" data-t="3339">How would you describe</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3340" data-t="3340">did fundamentals</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3342" data-t="3342">did did did fundamentals</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3344" data-t="3344">give it to Larry?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3348">55:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3348" data-t="3348">No. What was interesting is fundamentals actually read his book. And I think this is very the very unusual</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3354" data-t="3354">behavior</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3355" data-t="3355">for a panel moderator</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3358" data-t="3358">to have any familiar</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3359" data-t="3359">familiarity</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3360" data-t="3360">with,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3363">56:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3363" data-t="3363">the people that they're interviewing or talking with.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3366" data-t="3366">Generally, what happens</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3368" data-t="3368">or I guess you would consider this a fireside chat. That's what the PodConference calls these. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3375" data-t="3375">generally, what happens is that they'll, like, listen to, like, one podcast and, like, have a conversation with them before. But, you know, most of these people that are interviewing people on stage for these events,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3385" data-t="3385">they're too busy listening to themselves talk</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3388" data-t="3388">to spend the time. And, you know, that's what that's what they wanna be on there for is to hear</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3394">56:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3394" data-t="3394">them moderating the panel</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3397" data-t="3397">is not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3398" data-t="3398">their opportunity to ask really interesting questions</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3402" data-t="3402">that they're informed on. It's their opportunity to hear themselves talk and sound smart</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3407" data-t="3407">as they ask questions. And so fundamentals was kind of unusual in his interview where he actually</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3413" data-t="3413">understood the subject matter that they were discussing. So he asked</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3417">56:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3417" data-t="3417">Larry some</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3419" data-t="3419">questions that I think were a bit more informed.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3422">57:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3422" data-t="3422">So I would I would suggest or that's that's what I saw from it. Now now Tomer would say that would they would say that was more worthy of listening, checking out that clip than watching Tomer?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3434">57:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3434" data-t="3434">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3435" data-t="3435">I know. Be with with Tomer and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3439" data-t="3439">Nikko, I think they were just recycling</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3442" data-t="3442">Plebslot,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3444" data-t="3444">which is okay. We we we like recycling.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3447">57:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3447" data-t="3447">Recycling. Yeah. I mean, Tomer</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3449" data-t="3449">I think Tomer is my favorite Plebslot poet.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3454" data-t="3454">Thomas, plump slot poetry is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3457" data-t="3457">yeah, I think everybody should check it out. I think, I've got his book in my house.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3462" data-t="3462">Oh, I always let, I always let people read it who are interested. I think they'd enjoy it. I enjoy it. I mean, everybody has their different flavor that they prefer. Right? Do they prefer,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3473">57:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3473" data-t="3473">like, the alpha</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3475" data-t="3475">plump slop from Breedlove? Do they prefer like, he he's kind of, like, the Bitcoin version of Andrew Tate in some ways. Him and Svetsky.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3484" data-t="3484">They're they're trying to be the Bitcoin versions of Andrew Tate.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3490" data-t="3490">Tomer Tomer is kinda like the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3493" data-t="3493">the Rogan esque,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3497" data-t="3497">likes to talk about psychedelics or show off that he's into psychedelics. He's not he's definitely not</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3503">58:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3503" data-t="3503">but Rogan's definitely Plebslop, but he he's kinda, like, elegant.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3506" data-t="3506">He he's Plebslop</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3508" data-t="3508">for, like, the average laid back</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3510" data-t="3510">person,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3511">58:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3511" data-t="3511">I would say. Yeah. Tub slot for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3516" data-t="3516">like, Rogan's like tub slot for Gen X. I guess Tomer is kind of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3522" data-t="3522">easy. Easy. He's good club slot for Gen X. Like, if you like yeah. If you like Rogan,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3528" data-t="3528">who's the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3530" data-t="3530">and he's Rogan adjacent to, like, the guy that does the DMT guy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3535" data-t="3535">He passed away.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3537">58:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3537" data-t="3537">Terrence McKenna? Yeah. Yeah. Like, he Tomer's kinda like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3542" data-t="3542">he plots lock Terrence McKenna in a way mixed with Rogue and with nuts I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3547" data-t="3547">Tomer doesn't really have the MMA</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3549" data-t="3549">black belt,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3552" data-t="3552">credentials.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3554" data-t="3554">So it's I would</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3555">59:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3555" data-t="3555">Rogen doesn't quite capture it for me. Yeah. There I was just</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3559">59:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3559" data-t="3559">Rogen was the first, like, mainstream,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3562" data-t="3562">Fiat pod comp podcaster</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3564" data-t="3564">that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3565" data-t="3565">listened to, like, the psychedelics.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3568" data-t="3568">That was the</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3570">59:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3570" data-t="3570">the the Program. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3573">59:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3573" data-t="3573">Is it super over simple? If Tomer's listening to this, he's probably so proud of himself.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3578">59:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3578" data-t="3578">Wow. I was compared to plexlop, Rogan. Plexlop, Rogan is I mean, that it is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3584" data-t="3584">a pretty</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3587" data-t="3587">pretty big title. I mean, that's impressive. It's it's maybe sounds pejorative,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3591" data-t="3591">but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3594" data-t="3594">it'd be a very successful</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3596" data-t="3596">career trajectory.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3599">59:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3599" data-t="3599">Yeah. But I don't care. Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3601" data-t="3601">the the thing is if you're if you're mediocre and you're uninteresting,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3606" data-t="3606">even if the whole world is watching you, you're still mediocre and uninteresting.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3612">1:00:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3612" data-t="3612">It doesn't change that that fact. But if</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3614" data-t="3614">you're mediocre and uninteresting,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3619" data-t="3619">you can still have a really successful career. You don't have to you don't have to be ashamed of being mediocre and interesting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3627" data-t="3627">They'll have to be ashamed of it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3629">1:00:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3629" data-t="3629">Well, you just think of you think of, like, the the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3633" data-t="3633">the two largest grossing movies in recent history that I can think of that were, like, all time records.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3639" data-t="3639">It was the the Avengers movie,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3643" data-t="3643">and then it was Avatar, the original Avatar by James Cameron</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3648" data-t="3648">with the blue people.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3650" data-t="3650">Remember how everybody freaked out about that?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3653">1:00:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3653" data-t="3653">Yeah. Absolutely.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3655">1:00:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3655" data-t="3655">That that's not an intergenerational</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3657" data-t="3657">movie. That's not like the Titanic. Like, the Titanic was the ultimate plop slop that, like, broke the world. It was, like, the biggest thing in the world. Everybody was singing My Heart Will Go On by Celine Dion.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3669">1:01:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3669" data-t="3669">Well, this is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3670" data-t="3670">this is where</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3671" data-t="3671">I think I'm fracturing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3674" data-t="3674">from</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3675" data-t="3675">your perspective</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3676" data-t="3676">and a lot of our listeners.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3680">1:01:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3680" data-t="3680">I'm fully aware of what Club Slop is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3682" data-t="3682">and I'm saying it's okay</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3684" data-t="3684">to enjoy a little Club Slop. Not everything has to be a masterpiece. You can have some good old fashioned</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3691" data-t="3691">blockbuster Club Slop,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3693" data-t="3693">and you can listen</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3694" data-t="3694">to your favorite club slot podcaster and, like, still, like, learn. You know, you can still learn to make your bed. You can still learn to have a little discipline in your life and to work hard and to work out.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3708">1:01:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3708" data-t="3708">It's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3709" data-t="3709">it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3710" data-t="3710">not everything. It's not it should not be illegal</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3714" data-t="3714">to be club slop. It should not be looked down upon</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3717" data-t="3717">necessarily.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3718">1:01:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3718" data-t="3718">I'm not saying that. Be beautiful club slop. I'm not saying that at all. What I'm saying is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3724" data-t="3724">that there are masterpieces</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3725" data-t="3725">of Plebslop.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3727" data-t="3727">There there there's Plebslop that people get can look at Top Gun.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3733" data-t="3733">How many times have you watched Top Gun in your life? I've seen cheese Toby Keith.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3738">1:02:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3738" data-t="3738">Point. That would be key. That would be key. That would be key. That would be key. That would be key. That would be key. That would be key. That would be key. That</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3747" data-t="3747">would be key. That would be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3748" data-t="3748">key.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3750" data-t="3750">That would be key. That would be key. That would be key. That would be key. That would be key. That would be key. That would be key. That would be key. That would be key. That would be key. That would be key. That would be key. That would be key. That would be key. That would be key.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3753">1:02:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3753" data-t="3753">No. You you can do mediocre really well.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3757" data-t="3757">And Hell, yeah. Top Gun,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3759" data-t="3759">the Titanic</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3761">1:02:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3761" data-t="3761">Friends. These movies?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3763">1:02:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3763" data-t="3763">Friends. Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3765" data-t="3765">There there's these movies that that have defined,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3768" data-t="3768">you know, the these eras. It's either years or multiple years, but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3774" data-t="3774">Kenny Loggins. Kenny Loggins as far as music goes. He's he's he's like Toby Keith. He's he's Plebslot.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3780" data-t="3780">Rocky, the Rocky movies,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3782" data-t="3782">total plug slop.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3785">1:03:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3785" data-t="3785">We already mentioned Creed. The Beatles.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3791">1:03:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3791" data-t="3791">The this is plug slop done well. Motley Crue. You can you can you can do something</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3796" data-t="3796">sloppy and mediocre, but do it super well and make it interesting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3801" data-t="3801">What I what I'm saying is is Tomer is not that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3805" data-t="3805">He might he might have a lot of eyes on him,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3808" data-t="3808">but he is not the Titanic. He's more like Avatar.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3813" data-t="3813">Big in the moment,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3815">1:03:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3815" data-t="3815">not relevant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3816" data-t="3816">historically.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3819" data-t="3819">Now the Sailor series, that was like the Titanic moment.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3824" data-t="3824">People will people will go back and they'll</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3827" data-t="3827">they'll they'll go gobble up that slop historically.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3830" data-t="3830">That's relevant plops pleb slop. Now now Tomer is just recycling</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3834">1:03:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3834" data-t="3834">ideas that were set.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3837">1:03:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3837" data-t="3837">There could be Plub Slop,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3840" data-t="3840">Master P, like Sublime,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3842" data-t="3842">and then, like, Batomer would be more, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3848" data-t="3848">but who's, like, the reggae,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3851" data-t="3851">rapper,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3854" data-t="3854">group?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3856">1:04:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3856" data-t="3856">Paul Marley.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3858">1:04:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3858" data-t="3858">No. Hold on. Let me look him up real quick.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3863" data-t="3863">Slightly stupid.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3864" data-t="3864">So it's like you're either sublime</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3867" data-t="3867">masterpiece pub slop or your your town room is, like, slightly stupid. You know what I mean? It's like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3873" data-t="3873">if you were in Boulder, Colorado in 2004</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3877" data-t="3877">and you had dreadlocks</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3879">1:04:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3879" data-t="3879">and, you're smoking some</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3882" data-t="3882">wiggle weeb, boy, you know, in the park in Boulder. And, like, Tomer was, like, was was reading his poetry to you on a blanket.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3888" data-t="3888">Like, it would it was just hit so hard. But now I think it's, it hasn't aged well for somebody playing Oasis on their acoustic guitar at a party in 2025,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3898" data-t="3898">unironically.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3900">1:04:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3900" data-t="3900">Yeah. I think I think probably what makes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3902" data-t="3902">good plebslop good plebslop is, like, a deep understanding of it underneath it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3910" data-t="3910">But a a huge part of it too is just timing and presentation.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3916">1:05:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3916" data-t="3916">Knowing a lot about and sharing a lot about.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3919">1:05:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3919" data-t="3919">The plug's love culture is not the best way to contribute to it. Okay. So so here's here's kind of my final question, you know, I wanna discuss before we get into the fountain base.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3930" data-t="3930">Is there a first advantage</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3934" data-t="3934">first mover advantage</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3935" data-t="3935">to dish in Plebslop,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3937" data-t="3937">Or is there a second mover when you when you steal somebody else? You're just a curator of all the good ideas.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3945">1:05:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3945" data-t="3945">Where where do you I think it's I think it's good. I think it's, probably best to be, like, a really attuned in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3952" data-t="3952">momentum trader.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3953" data-t="3953">You can trade</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3955" data-t="3955">the,</span> <span class="cue" data-t="3955">the flow of clutch lop as it's going in and out at a macro level, and you follow those flows.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3962" data-t="3962">You can trade the momentum.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3965">1:06:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3965" data-t="3965">Like,</span></span></p> +