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diff --git a/wiki/transcripts/pioneering-v4v-music-with-open-mike-btp-episode-21.md b/wiki/transcripts/pioneering-v4v-music-with-open-mike-btp-episode-21.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d9417c53 @@ -0,0 +1,575 @@ +--- +title: "Transcript: Pioneering V4V Music with Open Mike | BTP Episode 21" +type: transcript +episode: pioneering-v4v-music-with-open-mike-btp-episode-21 +generated: true +date: 2025-08-13 +audio: "https://feeds.fountain.fm/R8scBF2Wiykm0YVldsHQ/items/gxBtQQkFArWZS3jFkAHA/files/AUDIO---DEFAULT---21db5055-3f47-4ddc-9696-19e61e7be22b.mp3" +duration: "1:20:49" +sources: + - raw/episodes/pioneering-v4v-music-with-open-mike-btp-episode-21/bundle.json +--- + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2">0:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2" data-t="2">Music industry</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3" data-t="3">is being destroyed by Fiat.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-6" data-t="6">Taylor Swift tickets are outperforming the price of Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-10" data-t="10">Ticketmaster</span> <span class="cue" id="t-11" data-t="11">and Live Nation are crushing the spirit of artists who are forced to bend over to record labels</span> <span class="cue" id="t-16" data-t="16">who don't take you seriously unless you go to ditty parties.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-21">0:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-21" data-t="21">Radio music is devolving into toxic sludge indistinguishable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-25" data-t="25">from AI slop.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-27" data-t="27">The algorithms are destroying</span> <span class="cue" id="t-29" data-t="29">discoverability</span> <span class="cue" id="t-30" data-t="30">and penalizing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-31" data-t="31">anything that's valuable.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-33">0:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-33" data-t="33">Is the world of music hopeless?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-36" data-t="36">One man thinks it's not.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-38" data-t="38">While others are throwing up their hands and submitting to a system that preys on children, promotes predators, and champions mediocrity, there's a grassroots</span> <span class="cue" id="t-46" data-t="46">movement building in the shadows.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-49" data-t="49">Today, joining us is the most important man in the value for value music economy, the visionary behind the live streaming platform Toonster,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-59" data-t="59">the inventor of the Bugle Mile High Club.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-63">1:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-63" data-t="63">Open mic, how are you doing today? Hey. That's quite the intro. Thanks for having me. I'm doing well.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-69" data-t="69">It's good to have you. It's great to be here. It's great to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-72" data-t="72">be great to be on the Bugle. Long time listener, first time caller.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-76">1:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-76" data-t="76">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-77" data-t="77">So kinda kinda fun store. So we're we're recording in Matt O'Dell's studio. We took it over. We're in Nashville.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-84">1:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-84" data-t="84">That's right.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-85">1:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-85" data-t="85">You've got a,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-87" data-t="87">music event happening here tomorrow that I'm pretty excited about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-93">1:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-93" data-t="93">the the Bitcoin Park open house tomorrow is value for value themed. We have,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-99" data-t="99">four new musicians who are coming into the space, gonna be playing for about an hour upstairs.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-104" data-t="104">And on the front end,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-107" data-t="107">Ainsley Costello and I are gonna be doing a fireside chat on</span> <span class="cue" id="t-111" data-t="111">the state of the state of the value for value industry,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-115" data-t="115">the state of independent music,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-118">1:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-118" data-t="118">her genesis story, and and this and where she's at in her career. It's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-123" data-t="123">about it's coming up on two years now from that infamous lightning summit where she showed up and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-131" data-t="131">just dove head first into this world. It's been it's been insane to watch that trajectory. Yeah. I'm excited for it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-138">2:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-138" data-t="138">It's, so so what what can we expect? So there's gonna be some some chants. There's gonna be some music performed.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-144">2:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-144" data-t="144">Yep. It'll be a traditional Nashville round, so it'll be four artists playing acoustic sets,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-151" data-t="151">one song at a time across the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-155" data-t="155">you know, the the main room in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-158" data-t="158">in the, Bitcoin Park</span> <span class="cue" id="t-160" data-t="160">studio upstairs</span> <span class="cue" id="t-161" data-t="161">and</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-163">2:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-163" data-t="163">be broadcast live on Toonster, and we hope we have a a raucous crowd and a lively chat room going so we can really show these artists,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-171" data-t="171">you know, what</span> <span class="cue" id="t-173" data-t="173">what this community is all about and, like, why should they give a shit about what we're doing? Why should they,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-178" data-t="178">you know, why should they really take this this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-181" data-t="181">seriously? Because we we know the tech. We know the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-185" data-t="185">we know the tools that we have.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-188">3:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-188" data-t="188">But at the end of the day, it's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-191" data-t="191">you know, with a traditional musician,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-195" data-t="195">the results</span> <span class="cue" id="t-196" data-t="196">and the the economics really matter. And to to get that feedback in the form of sats is important rather than just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-204" data-t="204">the thumbs up on Facebook or the hearts on Instagram. To actually give them true value and and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-211" data-t="211">and</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-211">3:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" data-t="211">see the reaction is that's priceless when you can</span> <span class="cue" id="t-215" data-t="215">when you can watch the light bulbs kinda click. It doesn't happen with everybody,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-219" data-t="219">but hopefully one of them hopefully all of them will</span> <span class="cue" id="t-223" data-t="223">will catch the bug and, you know, get the mind virus like we all have.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-228">3:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-228" data-t="228">Have you thought about bringing Dennis Porter to orange peel all these artists?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-232">3:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-232" data-t="232">It's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-233" data-t="233">gotta be it's gotta be a high price point. You know?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-237">3:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-237" data-t="237">So I I think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-239" data-t="239">I my question would be, do you think you need more drama?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-243" data-t="243">Do you think it's gotta be more like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-246" data-t="246">Battle of the Bands or like, you know, real</span> <span class="cue" id="t-249" data-t="249">real,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-250" data-t="250">you know, artists of</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-253">4:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-253" data-t="253">of Bitcoin Park? Like, like, Real Housewives or something like that?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-257" data-t="257">Or do you and do you do you think you maybe need more</span> <span class="cue" id="t-261" data-t="261">commercials?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-262" data-t="262">Do you because I think Nostra people or or people that use, like, Wave Lake in in Tunster,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-268" data-t="268">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-269" data-t="269">I think that not all of them know that, the mute that</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-275">4:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-275" data-t="275">that they've got, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-278" data-t="278">music to sell. Like, they they but if you make a commercial, it's like, oh, I can go tip Ainsley Costello,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-285" data-t="285">you know, 12,000</span> <span class="cue" id="t-286" data-t="286">sats for her new album.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-289" data-t="289">I didn't know I could do that, so you just need more commercials.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-292" data-t="292">That's fair. Sell themselves, you know, sell themselves.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-295">4:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-295" data-t="295">Sell sell your, sell your art,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-298" data-t="298">you know. Instead of just waiting for somebody to come by and appreciate it, be like, hey. This is I'm proud of this. I'm this is for sale. Come, come buy my album. I think, you know, I think more people would. I think it's not that they are willing to. It's just sometimes you gotta trick them into</span> <span class="cue" id="t-316" data-t="316">trick them into it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-318">5:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-318" data-t="318">Well, I mean, the value for value,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-320" data-t="320">the Podfather</span> <span class="cue" id="t-322" data-t="322">is very open and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-326" data-t="326">direct in his in his business model and asking. He said, you have to ask.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-332" data-t="332">So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-335" data-t="335">that is that's a very real</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-338">5:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-338" data-t="338">a real thing that drives results is make sure people know what you're up to and what this means, and that's something that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-346" data-t="346">I always try to drill home on my little soapbox when I get a chance to speak before a show or,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-352" data-t="352">you know, give a little statement between sets. I just say, you know, this is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-356" data-t="356">if if this is what you want your artists</span> <span class="cue" id="t-359" data-t="359">to take on a path for their career, then we need to step up and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-364" data-t="364">and speak with our feet, speak with our wallets as well, and make sure that they're getting</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-368">6:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-368" data-t="368">they're getting the appropriate,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-372" data-t="372">compensation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-373" data-t="373">or or</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-374">6:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-374" data-t="374">love I,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-375">6:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-375" data-t="375">what's gonna what what their the big risk that they're taking.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-380">6:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-380" data-t="380">Yeah. I,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-381" data-t="381">I would say I would categorize that I've had a a decent amount of success,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-386" data-t="386">and good,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-388" data-t="388">experience on the value for value,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-392" data-t="392">economy,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-393" data-t="393">especially on Oscar and some of these platforms,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-396">6:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-396" data-t="396">with all my art. And people know I've got music. I've got it on Spotify as well, but but I've got it on these platforms. Richard has a huge catalog</span> <span class="cue" id="t-404" data-t="404">of music and people. It's really popular,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-408" data-t="408">in these communities.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-409" data-t="409">And I think my secret to my success is playing hard to get. Instead of asking people to zap me or to, boost</span> <span class="cue" id="t-418" data-t="418">me, you know, I, I, they just can't play out. I get I get the, you know, the chicks will be like my songs and they're like, why is he not asking me to boost them? What's going on?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-427" data-t="427">You know, it's just playing hard to get a little bit. Is that your dating strategy as well?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-434">7:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-434" data-t="434">Yeah, exactly. I just ignore if I think a girl is beautiful and I really want to get to know her, I completely</span> <span class="cue" id="t-440" data-t="440">ignore her. I put my headphones on, but listen to Bitcoin podcasts, and I don't even make eye contact. And that usually gets them curious, and they're like, what</span> <span class="cue" id="t-450" data-t="450">what podcast is he listening to that's more interesting than this dress?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-454" data-t="454">And then I tell her it's, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-456" data-t="456">pressed and pinched Bitcoin fundamentals, and then she's interested. She knows I'm an intellectual.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-462">7:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-462" data-t="462">I mean, that makes sense with the hot women, you know, because, like, hot women are just they're always used to all the guys, like, going after them. You know what I mean? It's just like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-471" data-t="471">unusual if,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-473" data-t="473">but isn't there like a point where you get worried about it where like, she thinks you're probably gay.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-479" data-t="479">You know what I mean?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-481">8:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-481" data-t="481">I think it's pretty clear, if you look at me in the state of my clothes, how wrinkly I are, like I don't make my own bed.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-488" data-t="488">I don't iron my own clothes, like she's probably not gonna,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-491" data-t="491">mistake me for being too light in the feet. So yeah,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-495">8:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-495" data-t="495">you're really in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-497" data-t="497">the music ecosystem.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-499" data-t="499">Right. You're a big fan of music,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-502" data-t="502">very involved with it. Like, what's your overview and your opinion of the the Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-507" data-t="507">ecosystem and its involvement with music? So we've got Ainsley, we got Sarah Jade, we've got,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-513" data-t="513">Tip NZ, we've got,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-516">8:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-516" data-t="516">Joe Martin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-519" data-t="519">Yep. We got Scar Dust now. We've got</span> <span class="cue" id="t-524" data-t="524">a bunch of people putting in music out there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-527" data-t="527">We got Satoshi Nakamoto. They're doing some pretty cool stuff.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-531">8:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-531" data-t="531">Man like Quex.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-532">8:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-532" data-t="532">Man like Quex.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-534">8:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-534" data-t="534">Yeah. There's a lot of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-536" data-t="536">there's a lot of activity. There's a lot of lot of OGs in the turn in the in the sense that two to three years is OG in this space right now.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-550" data-t="550">And there's a lot of passion,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-553" data-t="553">lot of concentrated,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-555" data-t="555">passionate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-556" data-t="556">people, and</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-558">9:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-558" data-t="558">we're really looking for a breakout. You know, I think it's everybody wants to, you know, figure out what's what's the next big wave. Right? What's the next what where's the god candle of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-570" data-t="570">musician adoption and and this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-573" data-t="573">culture growing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-577" data-t="577">I I stand</span> <span class="cue" id="t-578" data-t="578">honestly, I stand in awe at times of of what</span> <span class="cue" id="t-583" data-t="583">needs to happen.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-584">9:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-584" data-t="584">And and and, like, I look at,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-587" data-t="587">Noster as a whole or musician adoption as, like, a subset of that, and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-593" data-t="593">I think back to the the TikTok ban in January.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-597" data-t="597">I'm like, woah. Man, if that didn't do it, what's gonna do it? Right? Everybody's freaking out.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-603" data-t="603">You think about in in my world, I,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-608" data-t="608">I operate in the independent venue</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-611">10:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-611" data-t="611">promoter business. So we interact with</span> <span class="cue" id="t-614" data-t="614">thousands of independent artists a year and do, you know, 1,300 concerts a year.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-620" data-t="620">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-621" data-t="621">we don't deal in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-624" data-t="624">in the recorded music space as much, but we very much</span> <span class="cue" id="t-629" data-t="629">see the impact of it because they</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-632">10:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-632" data-t="632">if they're not making money on their records, they need to make money on tour.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-635" data-t="635">They need to make money on merch, and they need to make money on other things. And that puts</span> <span class="cue" id="t-640" data-t="640">it puts a pretty</span> <span class="cue" id="t-642" data-t="642">unique strain on the relationship between the venue, the promoter, and the the booking agent who's representing the artists.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-650" data-t="650">And I see these people who are spending</span> <span class="cue" id="t-654" data-t="654">so much time,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-655">10:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-655" data-t="655">like, ten thousand hours, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-658" data-t="658">developing their brand on YouTube,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-661" data-t="661">on TikTok,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-663" data-t="663">you know, taking all these</span> <span class="cue" id="t-665" data-t="665">Instagram videos just to get followers because if you don't have a million followers, a record label is not gonna even let you in the door for a conversation.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-673" data-t="673">And so they gotta do all these little dances just to get into, quote, the music industry, and then</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-680">11:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-680" data-t="680">then you'll have enough money behind you so that you can go on tour and afford it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-685" data-t="685">And so when I see the TikTok ban go, I'm like, oh, this is gonna be it. Everybody's gonna see this now. Like, this is this is the catalyst.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-694" data-t="694">And it didn't happen. And then,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-696" data-t="696">you know, even pre before that, like, I got really excited when all the Swifties left Twitter.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-702" data-t="702">I was like, well, they gotta go somewhere, and they're gonna see that the other one's just as flawed as this one.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-708" data-t="708">But it's</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-710">11:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-710" data-t="710">it hasn't it hasn't directed the traffic to what we're doing yet. And so I don't know if we need to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-716" data-t="716">you know, talk to the CEO, Derek Ross, or what what's gotta happen for the Nostra marketing department to kick in, but we're,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-726" data-t="726">I think it's good. I think it's I think the tools are there, but they're they're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-733" data-t="733">Do They're not ready they're not ready for the mainstream.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-736" data-t="736">But</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-738">12:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-738" data-t="738">Do we need do we need to bring back</span> <span class="cue" id="t-741" data-t="741">good</span> <span class="cue" id="t-742" data-t="742">morning post,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-744" data-t="744">on Noster? Like, do we need to, like, lighten up the mood? I know Bodell</span> <span class="cue" id="t-749" data-t="749">is pretty grumpy, and he's, like, one of the base influencers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-752" data-t="752">on Noster. So he kinda sets the mood for the rest of the users kind of in the, you know, that main primal algorithm.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-761">12:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-761" data-t="761">So everybody's grumpy and then you start saying good morning again, and it's like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-766" data-t="766">lighten up the mood,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-768" data-t="768">be bullish. This is the bull market.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-771" data-t="771">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-773" data-t="773">just, yeah,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-775" data-t="775">just maybe that will finally help it be a little bit more palatable to the mainstream and then draw some more interest.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-781">13:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-781" data-t="781">Yeah. I mean, we got we got Odell off all caps, so he's he's dialing it down a little bit. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-787" data-t="787">yeah, a little</span> <span class="cue" id="t-789" data-t="789">little morale boost might might be great. Bring lighten it up.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-794">13:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-794" data-t="794">I'm I'm waiting for the the point in the bull market where Odell like, last cycle where he wasn't humble anymore. 100 by conference day going on BTC sessions all too wrong,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-805" data-t="805">screaming.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-807" data-t="807">We need we need that Odell back, in my opinion. He he talked about that on,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-812">13:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-812" data-t="812">god, what was just the podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-815" data-t="815">the other day? He talked about lookout for the top signals when I get euphoric.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-821">13:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-821" data-t="821">A lot</span> <span class="cue" id="t-822" data-t="822">the overall sentiment seems pretty negative right now. Like, a lot of people are grumpy. They're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-827" data-t="827">they're not enjoying paper Bitcoin summer. Plutator's running around, issuing purity tests left and right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-833" data-t="833">The the morale seems pretty low right now. I don't I don't really know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-838" data-t="838">why that is. Bitcoin continues to hit all time highs.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-843">14:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-843" data-t="843">You know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-845" data-t="845">I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-846" data-t="846">I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-847" data-t="847">I almost wonder, Ken, you said, like, the top is when Matt Odell gets euphoric.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-852" data-t="852">Can Matt Odell still get euphoric?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-854" data-t="854">Does he still have an enemy? Seems like maybe, but part of his grumpiness is he feels jaded.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-860">14:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-860" data-t="860">And I think the problem is, we're letting people like Plater</span> <span class="cue" id="t-864" data-t="864">set the narrative. We're, we're trying to convince Plater</span> <span class="cue" id="t-868" data-t="868">that it's bullish, that we should be bullish, that we should be,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-873" data-t="873">optimistic. We're trying to convince him instead of just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-876" data-t="876">being bullish and optimistic because</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-879">14:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-879" data-t="879">there's so much happening in this space because it well, it is growing. I don't know who's letting Plutert or set the narrative. I'm not letting him set the narrative.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-887" data-t="887">I think I think he's entertaining.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-889" data-t="889">I enjoy it's it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-892" data-t="892">like I don't know. I when I was collecting my credentials in college, I took an anthropology</span> <span class="cue" id="t-897" data-t="897">course, which was pretty interesting. And I feel like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-903" data-t="903">watching platters, like watching,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-907">15:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-907" data-t="907">like, doing, like, a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-909" data-t="909">anthropological</span> <span class="cue" id="t-910" data-t="910">study of a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-912" data-t="912">I don't even know how to describe him, but just, like, a very,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-916" data-t="916">unhappy individual.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-919">15:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-919" data-t="919">Yeah. I just mean, like, you know, he will, you know, he published a real like a really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-924" data-t="924">red chart about a Bitcoin meme stock,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-927" data-t="927">you know, or or a treasury company. And you got, like, the CEOs, like Corey from Swan,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-932" data-t="932">who are constantly having to reply and retweet predator and explain why that chart is actually bullish and they gotta do it over and over and over again. And I just think that it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-943" data-t="943">you, if you really are bullish, you just, you shouldn't have to retweet and reply to everything predator says.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-950">15:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-950" data-t="950">Well, why do you retweet and reply to everything Pleditor says?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-954">15:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-954" data-t="954">From just reporting the news. He is a,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-958" data-t="958">an important influencer</span> <span class="cue" id="t-960" data-t="960">in the space.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-962" data-t="962">His tweets are are notable.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-965">16:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-965" data-t="965">So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-966" data-t="966">is this, like, a problem that you face? You you try and bring</span> <span class="cue" id="t-970" data-t="970">musicians</span> <span class="cue" id="t-971" data-t="971">into the Bitcoin ecosystem, into the circular economy, and they're just met with, like, hundreds of purity tests?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-977" data-t="977">Is that something that you you have to, like, give them a rundown on, like, okay, Bitcoin, not crypto.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-986" data-t="986">You know, there there's always landmines that they can that walk on. Is that is that a barrier to entry that you find</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-993">16:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-993" data-t="993">difficult dealing with new artists interested?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-996">16:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-996" data-t="996">Yeah. Absolutely. It is.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-999" data-t="999">I mean, we all know there there's just certain things that are toxic on</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1003" data-t="1003">on Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1005" data-t="1005">on social media, on Nostr, and you just don't you just don't touch it. But for the outside</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1010" data-t="1010">normie world,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1012" data-t="1012">you</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1013">16:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1013" data-t="1013">know, the Bitcoin is like a term like Kleenex to them. It's just a generic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1019" data-t="1019">title for this,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1021" data-t="1021">you know, quote, digital asset or blockchain,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1024" data-t="1024">Web three, blah blah blah. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1028" data-t="1028">there is definitely a degree of grace that needs to be given to a newcomer who comes in, and they might, you know, they might misspeak and talk about,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1037" data-t="1037">whatever,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1039">17:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1039" data-t="1039">you know, goofy variation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1041" data-t="1041">they've gotten involved in. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1044" data-t="1044">you know, I I I've even had to educate myself on some of those areas so that I can speak,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1051" data-t="1051">you know, on a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1053" data-t="1053">very on a on an educated basis to tell them what the shortcomings are and why this is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1059" data-t="1059">yeah. Certainly, it's I'm not gonna tell you you shouldn't go</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1063">17:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1063" data-t="1063">earn a living if if all of your fans wanna go buy, you know, a picture of an ape</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1069" data-t="1069">on a different chain. Well, then</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1071" data-t="1071">the market has decided that that's what you should you should sell your</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1075" data-t="1075">fans, but just be fucking transparent about what it is you're doing and and make sure you're delivering</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1082" data-t="1082">what they want. Don't overpromise. Don't tell them it's gonna go to the moon. And then as soon as you get any</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1088" data-t="1088">form of value, convert it to Bitcoin immediately.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1093">18:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1093" data-t="1093">But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1095" data-t="1095">you know, the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1097" data-t="1097">the other thing that I think is important even for me is I've been around in Bitcoin for not not quite a decade, but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1105" data-t="1105">to really remember that, like, you know, I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1108" data-t="1108">I dabbled in that shit at one point. The difference between somebody like that and me is time.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1114" data-t="1114">We know that. Like, Bitcoin's inevitable.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1117">18:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1117" data-t="1117">I think Gnoster's inevitable.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1119" data-t="1119">I think these things are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1121" data-t="1121">are just a matter of how much time and engagement do you put into giving a shit about it, and you're gonna just be right where I am in a couple years. And so,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1131" data-t="1131">you know, if I meet if I meet somebody who's really into NFTs,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1135" data-t="1135">I'll just wait for them to go to zero, and then they'll come back to me. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1139" data-t="1139">generally speaking, though generally speaking, though, the artists</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1143">19:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1143" data-t="1143">are are not in it for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1147" data-t="1147">the wrong reasons. There's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1149" data-t="1149">like so many of these things, the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1153" data-t="1153">they see an opportunity</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1155" data-t="1155">to monetize something and exchange value with their with their followers. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1161" data-t="1161">they're trying to do it in good faith, but they they're not gonna dive down the technical rabbit hole and figure out what the protocol layer looks like Right. And and that,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1169">19:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1169" data-t="1169">you know, some Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1172" data-t="1172">Some Ethereum committee can can go change all the rules overnight, and then none of it matters.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1178">19:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1178" data-t="1178">Right. Five e it it's just it it also highlights</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1182" data-t="1182">the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1184" data-t="1184">you know, when you come to some of these platforms and you're checking out in Austria,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1189" data-t="1189">it's a different crowd. It's like people who are a little bit more technical, they're a little bit more withered, they're pioneers, they've been trailblazing the user experience,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1198" data-t="1198">difficulties</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1199" data-t="1199">for years, decades sometimes. And they're just withered and, you know,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1203">20:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1203" data-t="1203">they're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1204" data-t="1204">I can only imagine like how awful we would how much we would have missed out on.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1210" data-t="1210">If Ainsley Costello, her first post on Noster</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1214" data-t="1214">was the date Pleditor was on there and he retweeted her and said you know, oh this girl is a scammer because she used the law the wrong custodial lightning wallet. Like, that would be like, that would that'd be a shame. And like, but some people might,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1229" data-t="1229">have to get used to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1231" data-t="1231">the brash</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1232">20:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1232" data-t="1232">nature</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1233" data-t="1233">of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1234" data-t="1234">of some of the fans that are gonna encounter</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1237" data-t="1237">on these platforms.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1240">20:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1240" data-t="1240">Yeah. It it's it's very confusing if you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1243" data-t="1243">if you come on and, you know, play a play a show on Toonster,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1248" data-t="1248">I'll hook you up with your first lightning wallet and transaction,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1252" data-t="1252">kinda show you the way, and then we,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1255" data-t="1255">you know, send you off on your journey. And it's it becomes ideally</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1260" data-t="1260">a a self taught pursuit with the support of the community at that point. And then if they go out there and they're getting lectured,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1267">21:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1267" data-t="1267">you know, why are they using Wallet of Satoshi instead of some more sovereign choices? Like, what am I talking about? Right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1273" data-t="1273">I just wanna play songs and and engage with my fans. Like, get the fuck out of my face, and I'm out of here. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1281">21:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1281" data-t="1281">This is, yeah, this is why you're,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1284" data-t="1284">you probably you do a good job that you're great. Like, you show these people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1288" data-t="1288">how to do it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1289" data-t="1289">Like you download a wallet. This is all you have to do. And you say, it's a little bit of a responsibility,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1295" data-t="1295">but your goal is to get good enough that your agent</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1298" data-t="1298">handles</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1299">21:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1299" data-t="1299">your, your base revenue. So like you, you can outsource once you've,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1305" data-t="1305">released a few hits. You can you can get an agent,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1308" data-t="1308">and your agent can handle all the user experience difficulties for you. It's like good motivation.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1314">21:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1314" data-t="1314">You wanna talk about the best diamond hand? You know, some of these guys who've</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1318" data-t="1318">lost their keys forever might have better diamond hands, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1322" data-t="1322">some of these artists that I work with,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1324" data-t="1324">that that famous show in '23 in in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1329" data-t="1329">Minneapolis</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1330" data-t="1330">when Ainsley and Justloud</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1332">22:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1332" data-t="1332">generated 18,000,000</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1334" data-t="1334">sats.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1335" data-t="1335">I always I always give Justloud shit. I'm just like, yeah. You got you got the most diamond hands. You didn't even know how to move your Bitcoin if you wanted to.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1344" data-t="1344">Like, he's gonna huddle that forever because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1347" data-t="1347">it it's such a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1349" data-t="1349">technical barrier for him to think about I mean, if if he called me and said I need to liquidate, of course, I'd show him how to do it. But</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1356">22:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1356" data-t="1356">it's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1358" data-t="1358">it's funny because they don't necessarily</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1360" data-t="1360">get</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1362" data-t="1362">here. We got here generally because of the Bitcoin because Noster came second.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1369" data-t="1369">For me now,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1370" data-t="1370">Nostr first is is a way more compelling value prop for engaging this community because you you have to</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1379">22:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1379" data-t="1379">you know, you you meet an artist, set them up with Primal, set them up with Fountain.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1383" data-t="1383">That takes, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1386" data-t="1386">two to three minutes, hopefully, if the email validations go through quick.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1392" data-t="1392">Zap</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1393" data-t="1393">zap Adam Curry or zap the bugle on</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1397" data-t="1397">Fountain and then take them back over to Primal and show that it cross posted.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1401">23:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1401" data-t="1401">They they're like, holy cow. I've got these two, quote, platforms,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1405" data-t="1405">but somehow they're talking to each other.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1408" data-t="1408">And so then</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1410" data-t="1410">that that usually gets them</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1412" data-t="1412">engaged in this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1415" data-t="1415">idea that these aren't new apps, these aren't new,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1420">23:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1420" data-t="1420">platforms.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1421" data-t="1421">But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1423" data-t="1423">buried in that is you have to deal with Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1426" data-t="1426">Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1427" data-t="1427">This stuff,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1429" data-t="1429">all all of the value that's extracted and earned and exchanged is in the form of Bitcoin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1435">23:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1435" data-t="1435">So if you like what you see on that, quote, social media front on Nostr,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1440" data-t="1440">well, then you've got the task in front of you that you're gonna have to figure out this Bitcoin thing that you've been cringing at for five years.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1446" data-t="1446">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1447" data-t="1447">it becomes more of something that you wanna seek rather than get,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1450" data-t="1450">you know, shoved down your mouth by a bunch of Bitcoin evangelists, which is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1455" data-t="1455">that's the normal pattern that we all try and guilty as charged here is</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1460">24:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1460" data-t="1460">I see</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1461" data-t="1461">I see the value prop, and I see all of the similarities</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1465" data-t="1465">between music and the finance world. I'm in I'm in finance by trade.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1470" data-t="1470">My day job, I'm a CPA working in the music industry and running this running these venues.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1477" data-t="1477">So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1478" data-t="1478">I got into Bitcoin from a finance standpoint of of how this,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1484">24:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1484" data-t="1484">what this means for banking and personal finance and sovereignty.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1491" data-t="1491">And working tangentially then in music, you're you look at it. It's like, this is the same problem,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1496" data-t="1496">just in a different structure. It's everything is centralized,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1500" data-t="1500">gate kept.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1501" data-t="1501">Nobody owns what they think they own.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1504" data-t="1504">It's it's all permission based, and</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1509">25:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1509" data-t="1509">that makes so much more sense when you paint it in the in the light of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1513" data-t="1513">to an artist</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1515" data-t="1515">because they use tools that look like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1517" data-t="1517">all the time. And that's why,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1520" data-t="1520">you know, that's why I I leaned into Toonster. It's like, this is something that people are familiar with. The visual isn't scary. It doesn't it's not a new concept.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1530" data-t="1530">It's</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1531">25:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1531" data-t="1531">it's just not a very good business model</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1534" data-t="1534">in in the real</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1535" data-t="1535">music world. Like, not many people are doing streams successfully and monetizing it, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1542" data-t="1542">it's kind of a Trojan horse for me. It it gives them something to do that is zero risk,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1548" data-t="1548">low effort.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1550" data-t="1550">And if</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1551">25:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1551" data-t="1551">if they walk in and see a whole bunch of crazy maniacs like us zapping and chatting on the side of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1557" data-t="1557">the livestream, and then at the end of the night, I get to say, hey. You</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1560" data-t="1560">you made 300 extra bucks.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1563" data-t="1563">How do you you know, do you wanna collect that? Or, you know, how do you feel about that? What? And that's when they their eyes perk up a little bit, and they say,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1571" data-t="1571">tell me more.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1572">26:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1572" data-t="1572">That's that's cool. But you you can't sell them upfront. It it doesn't work the other way. Well, have you ever tried to, like, explain to them that if they do this, there's a pathway for them to be an adviser at a Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1585" data-t="1585">treasury company, a paper Bitcoin company? That's</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1589">26:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1589" data-t="1589">that is the next step by far.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1593">26:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1593" data-t="1593">You</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1594" data-t="1594">have you thought about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1595" data-t="1595">you need,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1597" data-t="1597">or you could benefit from your own Mr. Beast. Have you have you gone out looking for a Mr. Beast who will just be such a,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1606" data-t="1606">they'll just cause so much commotion,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1608" data-t="1608">and so many people will be talking about it that they'll</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1611">26:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1611" data-t="1611">they'll go viral. Your entire platform will go viral and then people will wanna be like, well, Mr. B, the, this orange dill Mr. Beast guy could do it. I could do it. And then you just, you got people playing video games. You got hot shit smoking cigarettes and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1626" data-t="1626">talking about podcast. Like you got all these cool streams that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1630" data-t="1630">people were, they started using it and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1632" data-t="1632">it just becomes a like a</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1634">27:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1634" data-t="1634">popular alternative, something like that. I don't know. You need a mister beast is what I'm saying. That's an interesting idea. That that's like what Nico from Simply Bitcoin is trying to be. Right? BTC sessions?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1644" data-t="1644">Who who do you think is the best candidate for the mister beast of Bitcoin?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1650">27:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1650" data-t="1650">Oh, I mean, it's it is it's it's almost it is a hybrid between those two because I I just think that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1658" data-t="1658">well, they do. What they have, like, simply sessions, that is, like, our</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1662" data-t="1662">mister beast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1664" data-t="1664">Well, that's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1665" data-t="1665">our top one.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1667">27:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1667" data-t="1667">I I think Isabella</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1669" data-t="1669">is a good candidate.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1671">27:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1671" data-t="1671">That's that's that's a good one.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1673" data-t="1673">See, who goes into merchandise first?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1679">27:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1679" data-t="1679">So one one thing that I've found pretty fascinating,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1682" data-t="1682">just interacting with the value for value music ecosystem,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1687" data-t="1687">interacting with a lot of Bitcoin people,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1692" data-t="1692">is their taste in music.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1694" data-t="1694">It seems like a lot of them, they like little bubble. So they just like, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1699" data-t="1699">you know, EDM with, like, Michael Sailor talking over it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1703">28:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1703" data-t="1703">I don't know if that's, like, the only music they listen to. So Ainsley kinda has, like, a pop.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1711" data-t="1711">Yeah. She's a pop artist.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1714" data-t="1714">Scardust,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1715" data-t="1715">you know, a lot of people, when I was sharing their their music video rip, the Bitcoin theme music video,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1723" data-t="1723">they predominantly said they didn't like metal,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1726" data-t="1726">which, you know, surprised me because Bitcoin seems pretty metal to me,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1731">28:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1731" data-t="1731">kind of punk rock metal.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1736" data-t="1736">The Bitcoiner personality type is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1739" data-t="1739">according to Brandon Quidham's study, is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1742" data-t="1742">like an INTJ, which I think is kinda like an autist. Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1747" data-t="1747">what what type of music,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1750" data-t="1750">like, do you think there's something here where the personality type of people that are into Bitcoin that like certain types of music, like, do we</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1757">29:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1757" data-t="1757">the the people that could be most successful with this ecosystem,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1762" data-t="1762">are they are they gonna have to, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1764" data-t="1764">are they gonna be the types</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1766" data-t="1766">of the genre of music that, like, Luke Dash Jr. Listens to?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1771">29:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1771" data-t="1771">Exactly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1772" data-t="1772">Don't make me, like, pot music for the normies. You gotta make,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1778" data-t="1778">music for your</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1780" data-t="1780">autistic audience. Mhmm.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1783">29:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1783" data-t="1783">Like, what what type of music do autists like besides EDM with Michael Sailor talking over?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1790">29:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1790" data-t="1790">Well, those do get a lot of traction on Noster.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1793" data-t="1793">They are,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1795" data-t="1795">it is it is funny, and I think it it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1800" data-t="1800">it is also the source of a little confusion when you have some of these artists, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1806" data-t="1806">Theo Katzmann and Scardust and Laserbeak who come in at a much more traditional,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1813" data-t="1813">traditional music</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1815">30:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1815" data-t="1815">background, and they have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1816" data-t="1816">significant success already.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1819" data-t="1819">And they come on, and they're competing with that, and they got nothing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1822" data-t="1822">You know, they I mean, Theo's gotten a pretty good amount of love, but,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1828">30:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1828" data-t="1828">it is</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1830">30:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1830" data-t="1830">it is challenging to, like, you know, we've been talking about Scardust quite a bit and how</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1836" data-t="1836">they're just a perfect fit for the space, and they're embracing it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1842" data-t="1842">They</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1844" data-t="1844">they're in line with the ethos, and they're actually they're doing these twenty four hour streams. They're releasing their music on Noster, and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1853" data-t="1853">and, yeah, little bubble is is, taking all the zaps a lot of times.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1860" data-t="1860">I'm not sure how we tackle that other than,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1864">31:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1864" data-t="1864">you know, with Toonster and the Bugle using using some of our reaches to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1869" data-t="1869">let everybody know when I think it's really important when an when an artist is making a pivot</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1875" data-t="1875">into this space that that we really try to raise them up and showcase them. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1882" data-t="1882">I know that's what we're doing we're trying to do with Scardust is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1887" data-t="1887">get in Yeah. Increase the awareness</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1890" data-t="1890">so that</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1892">31:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1892" data-t="1892">they're not total strangers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1894" data-t="1894">to to the rest of the community if they're not,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1897" data-t="1897">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1898" data-t="1898">if they're not rapping about the having. You know?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1902">31:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1902" data-t="1902">Yeah. I,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1904" data-t="1904">one of the things that we do at the Bugle that just thinking about it more during this conversation, I I think we should emphasize more.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1912" data-t="1912">As I we we</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1914" data-t="1914">we wanna find people who and artists and creators and our friends</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1919" data-t="1919">who,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1921" data-t="1921">we think other people need to hear</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1924">32:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1924" data-t="1924">their content or hear what they have to say or listen to their music, whatever it is, if we enjoy it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1931" data-t="1931">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1932" data-t="1932">it's like sending a signal, like, if</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1935" data-t="1935">we're advocating</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1937" data-t="1937">for more of this value for value exchange,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1940" data-t="1940">we should be out there more with these big hard hitting</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1944">32:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1944" data-t="1944">zaps on a really good video, really good song, a really good post. And it's like, hey,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1949" data-t="1949">I'm gonna put up a couple 100, you know, a couple 100,000 zaps, a couple million zaps.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1956" data-t="1956">Because I think that this this artist, this person,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1960" data-t="1960">my friend, I think it's worth it. And I think when you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1964" data-t="1964">you set that example, I think it invites other people to be like, woah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1969" data-t="1969">That's a that</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1971">32:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1971" data-t="1971">that was a pretty big stake. Like, that's a big signal</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1974" data-t="1974">that they put that much. That must be a good song. That must be a good,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1978" data-t="1978">you know, podcast, whatever it is.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1981" data-t="1981">And I think that builds, and I think that's something that we</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1986" data-t="1986">could do. I think the Beagle, we, like, we should do more of.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1991">33:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1991" data-t="1991">Yeah. No, exactly. It's like, we need like an open sats of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1996" data-t="1996">funding artists in a way,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1999" data-t="1999">if that makes sense. Like what you're describing is that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2003" data-t="2003">if somebody shows interest in us, we have to be hardcore simps. Mhmm.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2008" data-t="2008">Like real hardcore simps. I'm a hardcore simp, but scarred us for sure. Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2012" data-t="2012">You know, part of the reason is like I I really genuinely like their music. I think it's some of the best music in the world. Mhmm. Especially</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2019">33:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2019" data-t="2019">from</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2020" data-t="2020">the singing standpoint, the complexity of it. Like I I come from,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2025" data-t="2025">listening to a lot of classical music and I think metal and and and classical music,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2030" data-t="2030">with the complexity of it. Like you look</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2037" data-t="2037">at Scar Dust, they have, a full choir Mhmm. Featured in a lot of their shows. They they they feature a lot of different artists that are really good. The,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2044" data-t="2044">the music happening in the background, the guitar, the drums, the bass is very complex.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2050">34:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2050" data-t="2050">It's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2052" data-t="2052">like, there's a lot of really good music out there, you know, that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2055" data-t="2055">just consists of, like, three chords</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2059" data-t="2059">on repeat, you know, very like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2061" data-t="2061">simple, strong structure. You've got</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2064" data-t="2064">verse, chorus, verse, chorus, verse, chorus.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2068">34:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2068" data-t="2068">So my music's like that. I think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2072" data-t="2072">some of my songs, they only have like four chords, but you just see like the wild range of dynamics.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2078" data-t="2078">It's definitely</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2079" data-t="2079">like next level. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2083" data-t="2083">I have this belief, you know, we've all read the Bitcoin standard, you know, and heard Saifedean's thoughts on Bitcoin art</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2090" data-t="2090">or Fiat art.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2092">34:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2092" data-t="2092">And we're seeing,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2095" data-t="2095">you know, Fiat art</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2097" data-t="2097">dominating right now, and it's just trash.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2101" data-t="2101">A lot of trash out there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2103" data-t="2103">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2104" data-t="2104">I think</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2105">35:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2105" data-t="2105">there there are people that are actually creating really, really,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2110" data-t="2110">really cool art. I mean, you look at like modern art, you know, Safdieen likes to, shit on modern art. You look at the stuff that Madex is doing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2119" data-t="2119">and it's very, very cool. Next level.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2123" data-t="2123">Yeah, I just wanna highlight stuff like that pretty much.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2126">35:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2126" data-t="2126">Yes, exactly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2128" data-t="2128">If you see Rod Palmer</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2131" data-t="2131">boosted</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2132" data-t="2132">some piece of content</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2134" data-t="2134">on Fountain or on Primal, 50,000</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2137" data-t="2137">sats,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2138">35:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2138" data-t="2138">30,000 sats.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2140" data-t="2140">Immediately, you know at least one thing that it's not AI slop.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2144" data-t="2144">That it's not, you know, it's not wife slop. Your wife don't show this meme. Don't listen to this song to your wife. It's not wife slop. It's something</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2154" data-t="2154">that, maybe I should take two minutes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2156" data-t="2156">out of my day to listen to or to check out or to laugh at or to learn from. But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2163" data-t="2163">that's the signal. Like, we can</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2166">36:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2166" data-t="2166">we can set the example, I guess, to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2169" data-t="2169">just keep highlighting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2170" data-t="2170">what is an AI slump.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2173">36:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2173" data-t="2173">Yeah. I think another</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2175" data-t="2175">you know, thinking about another thing that that one of the major problems for an artist is discoverability,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2181" data-t="2181">and that's sort of what we're talking about here is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2184" data-t="2184">in our little community,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2187" data-t="2187">when somebody comes in, we have our little rituals where you hashtag in introductions,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2192" data-t="2192">and then</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2193">36:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2193" data-t="2193">everybody,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2194" data-t="2194">you know, zaps them and we start following for a while. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2201" data-t="2201">I I think there is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2203" data-t="2203">there's a next level that we need to figure out on, like, how to sustain it. I know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2209" data-t="2209">a really good example is, Henry Invisible, if you've seen him on any of his posts on on Noster's. He</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2217" data-t="2217">we did a show,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2220">36:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2220" data-t="2220">at Antone's nightclub in Austin last December with Adam Curry and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2226" data-t="2226">Ainsley, and there there were six musicians there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2229" data-t="2229">I did a I did a half day</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2232" data-t="2232">conference called Sats by Southwest at Bitcoin Commons,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2236" data-t="2236">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2238" data-t="2238">we had a bunch of artists</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2239">37:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2239" data-t="2239">on stage talking and Derek Ross,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2243" data-t="2243">Parker Lewis, DJ Val, a bunch of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2247" data-t="2247">Phantom Power, Heather Larson, Mike Newman. There's a whole bunch of people involved in the space.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2253" data-t="2253">And then the next day, we went over to Anton's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2256" data-t="2256">and had this six person,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2261" data-t="2261">just we called it an artist showcase.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2263">37:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2263" data-t="2263">And each</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2264" data-t="2264">each artist got introduced by Adam Curry, and he gave him a little spiel about what we're doing and the value for value movement.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2273" data-t="2273">And, Henry came in totally blind. He had he was a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2278" data-t="2278">he was a late fill in. In the last week, I had to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2283" data-t="2283">I reached out to an agent down in Austin and and said, who's a who's a good tickets you know, who's who's moves tickets in the club scene down here and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2292" data-t="2292">would be open minded to something like this. And</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2295">38:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2295" data-t="2295">said first thing they said is Henry Invisible, and he,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2299" data-t="2299">you know, he had he dove right in. I can't remember how much</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2303" data-t="2303">he got from that night probably. I mean, I think we got over 5,000,000 sets that night, and he got, you know, 5 or $600</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2311" data-t="2311">probably.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2312" data-t="2312">But he immediately dove in and started posting,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2316" data-t="2316">you know, short form videos from his studio</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2319">38:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2319" data-t="2319">almost on a daily basis, and he was texting me and calling me.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2323" data-t="2323">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2326" data-t="2326">you know, he was going into the tech. I was it was super exciting to see, and that's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2331" data-t="2331">you know, that's the kind of stuff</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2333" data-t="2333">that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2335" data-t="2335">that gets momentum, but then it was clear I I have I owe him a phone call. I gotta get back and</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2341">39:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2341" data-t="2341">see where he's at now. And I know his his posts have slowed down, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2345" data-t="2345">I think artists are still</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2347" data-t="2347">developing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2348" data-t="2348">kind of parallel fan bases.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2351" data-t="2351">So he's got</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2352" data-t="2352">he's got his Austin live community where he could</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2356">39:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2356" data-t="2356">he could go out and sell 200, 300 tickets a night down there. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2361" data-t="2361">but if he's not bringing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2364" data-t="2364">those fans into Noster</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2366" data-t="2366">to support him</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2368" data-t="2368">in Noster,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2370" data-t="2370">then he's losing out because the people that are currently in Noster</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2374">39:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2374" data-t="2374">are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2376" data-t="2376">not familiar with him, and they're not in Austin at all these shows.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2379" data-t="2379">So the people who are most likely to really zap hard and get emotional about your music are not the people that are on</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2387" data-t="2387">primal right now if you're a new artist. And so</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2391" data-t="2391">until we bridge that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2393" data-t="2393">you know, bringing their fans here,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2396">39:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2396" data-t="2396">it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2398" data-t="2398">I I don't know. We gotta we gotta really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2401" data-t="2401">support them and give them the favorable results here</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2405" data-t="2405">so that then they take their next steps</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2409" data-t="2409">to to invest more of their time and energy here.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2412">40:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2412" data-t="2412">So where where are some of the hubs? So you've you've got</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2415" data-t="2415">Phoenix. Phoenix is definitely a hub. Yeah. You got the Wavelight</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2419" data-t="2419">guys out there and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2423" data-t="2423">KeyW.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2424" data-t="2424">You just got, like, a huge community out there. You've got,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2427" data-t="2427">Nashville with Bitcoin Park. Yep.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2431">40:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2431" data-t="2431">Austin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2433" data-t="2433">has a big Bitcoin scene. Yep.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2436" data-t="2436">It kinda seems like those types of areas I know Minneapolis</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2441" data-t="2441">has a big Bitcoin scene as well.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2443">40:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2443" data-t="2443">Yep. They're popping up. A lot of the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2446" data-t="2446">a lot of the podcast two point o,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2450" data-t="2450">people are in the Midwest and Missouri.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2455" data-t="2455">Sarah Jade's out in California.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2458" data-t="2458">There's some things popping off in New York, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2462" data-t="2462">it really</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2463">41:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2463" data-t="2463">it it really demands</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2465" data-t="2465">a physical space that's accessible and, you know, it's, like, set up</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2470" data-t="2470">to be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2471" data-t="2471">because if like, when I take this on the road, it could cost 5 figures really fast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2477" data-t="2477">So, like, take all the equipment out, pop up a show in a different city,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2481" data-t="2481">and rent a room, get some equipment,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2483">41:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2483" data-t="2483">book the artists.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2486" data-t="2486">It's a pretty terrible business model as much fun as it is, but it,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2491" data-t="2491">if you have something that you could just pop up in your hometown,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2495" data-t="2495">like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2496" data-t="2496">you know, the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2498" data-t="2498">we had the vinyl lounge here in Nashville going for a couple months where I came in and I brought I brought some cameras from Minneapolis, and we installed it for the</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2508">41:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2508" data-t="2508">the Bitcoin conference side event two years ago.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2512" data-t="2512">And, I knew the owner there, so I just left my gear there. And I said, let's just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2517" data-t="2517">let's just do Toonster here for as long as you want. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2522" data-t="2522">Phantom Power really spearheaded the whole thing, and they they took over that place every Monday night, and they had a house band.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2529" data-t="2529">And we ran a Monday night stream for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2532" data-t="2532">four or five</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2534">42:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2534" data-t="2534">weeks.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2535">42:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2535" data-t="2535">Yep. That was</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2537">42:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2537" data-t="2537">that's the model. But the problem is we need them</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2541" data-t="2541">to have the expertise of phantom power to move on to someplace else</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2546" data-t="2546">and, you know, teach a man how to fish. Don't just give him a bunch of fish.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2549" data-t="2549">And and that's it wasn't sustainable to just have them</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2553" data-t="2553">show up every week.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2557">42:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2557" data-t="2557">So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2559" data-t="2559">one of the things we've already kind of talked about, but I wanted to highlight again was like just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2564" data-t="2564">the audience and like knowing the the new audience that you will be engaging with in this, you know, on Nostra and in this community,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2573" data-t="2573">is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2574" data-t="2574">I see a lot of people that do try to promote,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2577" data-t="2577">you know, music or,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2580">43:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2580" data-t="2580">content that is kinda more, like, mainstream, which is a generally younger audience. But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2585" data-t="2585">one thing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2586" data-t="2586">I am constantly reminded about Nostra and the Bitcoin community in general is, like, it is a slightly older,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2594" data-t="2594">demographic. So it's like a lot of Gen X. There's a lot of boomers,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2598" data-t="2598">that are, you know, buying some crazy emoji that you might not suspect.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2602" data-t="2602">And</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2604">43:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2604" data-t="2604">what, like, the people this like, middle aged people grew up with is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2609" data-t="2609">was MTV. So you had, like, Total Request live</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2612" data-t="2612">with Carson Daly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2614" data-t="2614">And you everybody would, like, they they'd call in and they'd sit on the phone and they would like, wait for the operator to like, hey,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2622" data-t="2622">who do you vote for? Or then they would eventually do it online, but everybody would go home and they'd like, vote for who would get in the top 10, their favorite songs.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2630" data-t="2630">And that's what we need. We need a, like a Nostra, like Tunestra,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2634">43:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2634" data-t="2634">Tuttel Request Live, we need a Carson Daly. And every day</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2639" data-t="2639">you, you go at a certain time and you boost and you, who who's your favorite song? What's your favorite artist that day? Who do you should want in the top 10?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2648" data-t="2648">I would probably do that all the time. I need a a Teamster TRL.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2653" data-t="2653">Teamster TRL. There we go. That's the that's the</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2656">44:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2656" data-t="2656">that's the for the show. I love that. And and and all these creative</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2663" data-t="2663">gamification</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2665" data-t="2665">ideas where the artists are the ones who benefit is is what I've really seen successful. We</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2672" data-t="2672">for the traditional shows that I do, like, I'd never stick a a TV near the stage. That's a big no no in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2679" data-t="2679">in concert production. The</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2681" data-t="2681">the artist is the focal point. You want distractions</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2683">44:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2683" data-t="2683">adjacent to the stage.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2686" data-t="2686">But for these Bitcoin events, like tomorrow at the at the Bitcoin Park event,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2692" data-t="2692">we're gonna have TVs</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2694" data-t="2694">flanking</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2695" data-t="2695">the the performance area</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2697" data-t="2697">that shows what's going on online, and it shows</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2701">45:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2701" data-t="2701">the Zap activity. And oftentimes,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2704" data-t="2704">we have a customized leaderboard that has,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2707" data-t="2707">effects and whatnot. So if you're the top zapper, you can see who you know, you're kinda jockeying with</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2714" data-t="2714">with your your fellow clubs and seeing who's who's got the most love for this band.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2719" data-t="2719">And, that's really how those those two shows</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2723" data-t="2723">got pretty viral and got such a crazy amount of</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2727">45:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2727" data-t="2727">of artist support is because people were,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2730" data-t="2730">people were competing. It was one of them was RSS boosts versus Noster zaps, and everybody wanted to win. And then the the one in in Austin was just individuals on the leaderboard, and there are a couple people</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2744">45:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2744" data-t="2744">trying to outdo each other. Exactly.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2745">45:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2745" data-t="2745">And it's awesome. Exactly.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2747">45:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2747" data-t="2747">This is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2749" data-t="2749">and this is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2750" data-t="2750">an opportunity</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2751" data-t="2751">like, I it goes back to what I said earlier. My approach</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2755" data-t="2755">is that I'm gonna play hard to get. So instead of, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2759" data-t="2759">you can now reach out to a broader audience. You could stream this on YouTube. You could stream this on, Rumble. You could stream it on X.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2767">46:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2767" data-t="2767">But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2768" data-t="2768">if you want to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2771" data-t="2771">get your favorite song</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2773" data-t="2773">in the top 10, you're gonna have to go get Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2776" data-t="2776">and pay a lightning invoice or zap a Nostra profile.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2780" data-t="2780">Otherwise, you just, you know, it's a good show, you'll watch, but you don't get a say no matter what platform you're on unless you just figure out the very easy step of just downloading a primal wallet, signing up for and then boom. Now you can zap.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2795">46:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2795" data-t="2795">Now you can vote.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2796" data-t="2796">And they want to. They want to be a part of this community, and being a part of this community is this, you know, this influence</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2802" data-t="2802">a fun influence battle to get your favorite music</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2805" data-t="2805">Mhmm. In the Teamster TRL.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2809">46:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2809" data-t="2809">TRL? And maybe you yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting to think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2813" data-t="2813">it it sounds like there's a lot of ways for people to get involved outside of just being musicians, like people with AV skills,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2821" data-t="2821">people that are good at making memes, people that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2825" data-t="2825">wanna help out at these events, people that know people that run venues</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2829" data-t="2829">or work at venues or own venues,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2835" data-t="2835">people that podcast.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2836">47:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2836" data-t="2836">Mhmm. All of these. Do you I mean, do you know of any,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2840" data-t="2840">I I know there's been a few attempts. I I haven't followed it as closely as I could because I've been so hyper focused on Bitcoin podcasts, but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2848" data-t="2848">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2849" data-t="2849">of many value for value music podcasts out there that are really going out and promoting,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2857">47:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2857" data-t="2857">people? There are some the Phantom Power team has the the artist hour, the business hour.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2864" data-t="2864">They've</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2865" data-t="2865">been a little less</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2868" data-t="2868">regular on the cadence lately, but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2871" data-t="2871">my favorite one was Adam Curry's boost to gram ball live when he was doing that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2876" data-t="2876">because that was just such a cool,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2879">47:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2879" data-t="2879">it was such a cool like, it reminded me of the radio DJs when I was growing up in the nineties and eighties, and he'd, you know, he'd play them, and then you'd literally hear this you'd hear the feedback of the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2891" data-t="2891">of the boosts and the zaps as they were happening, and he's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2896" data-t="2896">he's just so gifted in his delivery of all of his</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2899" data-t="2899">years in broadcasting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2902" data-t="2902">But there's a handful of them out there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2907" data-t="2907">Wave Lake was doing one for a while,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2911">48:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2911" data-t="2911">but we we I wouldn't say there's a dominant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2915" data-t="2915">you know, maybe maybe that's the niche. Let's go to the the Toonster Bugle</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2920" data-t="2920">t r</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2921">48:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2921" data-t="2921">l. You know, we get Toonster t r l. Yeah. I mean Get some sort of a way to</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2929">48:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2929" data-t="2929">to provide a a discovery mechanism where people,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2933">48:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2933" data-t="2933">you know, people who take the plunge and go into the space get distribution right away. Mhmm. Yeah. Like a t you know, you talked about that you have these events and these live streams where you bring people together and you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2947" data-t="2947">build hype and you get I think it's just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2950" data-t="2950">create and it could be a music podcast, it could be a podcast, it could be a meetup, it could be anything. It could be these special events that you guys throw.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2961" data-t="2961">Just creating more reasons to get people's attention and say listen,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2965" data-t="2965">we're spending money. Like I said,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2967" data-t="2967">if I put 50,000</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2968">49:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2968" data-t="2968">sats on a,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2970" data-t="2970">a podcast, it's not AI suck. If you're putting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2973" data-t="2973">proof of work into this cool production in some city,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2978" data-t="2978">and you're bringing people's favorite</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2980" data-t="2980">artists from them, these, all these different platforms who have their own niche fans, and you're bringing them all together, You're saying this stuff's good and we're putting,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2990" data-t="2990">we're putting it out there and we're saying you should listen to this.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2993">49:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2993" data-t="2993">Just doing that as much as possible at every scale,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2996" data-t="2996">big or small possible,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2998" data-t="2998">is just another opportunity to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3001" data-t="3001">just attract more people and bring more people in and and grow the space.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3005">50:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3005" data-t="3005">Yeah. The</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3007" data-t="3007">the individuals that come to mind who are really working on this community</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3012" data-t="3012">the most intimately and successfully are actually right here in in Bitcoin Park's backyard.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3018" data-t="3018">The Phantom Power Group</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3020" data-t="3020">has started a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3022" data-t="3022">a community</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3024">50:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3024" data-t="3024">on the Mighty Network, and they're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3026" data-t="3026">aggregating.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3027" data-t="3027">Like, when they have these four musicians that are gonna come in tomorrow,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3032" data-t="3032">They're gonna be onboarded to this network, and it's this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3036" data-t="3036">online community where everybody</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3039" data-t="3039">everybody can kinda speak freely and not you know, the idea is</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3044">50:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3044" data-t="3044">you're not gonna run into those, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3048" data-t="3048">points of shame where you might you might say the wrong</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3053" data-t="3053">might say the wrong thing and reference</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3056">50:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3056" data-t="3056">alt command. This is backstage. This is backstage,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3058" data-t="3058">like, backstage talk, locker room talk. You're you're with other,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3062" data-t="3062">you're fellow rock stars. You're Yeah. You guys are gonna talk a little bit loose about, you know, some of the some of the experiences you had</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3071" data-t="3071">on the blockchain.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3072">51:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3072" data-t="3072">And that is that is a direct result</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3075" data-t="3075">of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3076" data-t="3076">the work that Phantom Power has been doing in the last year plus and seeing some of the experiences of the musicians that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3083" data-t="3083">you know, because we've partnered together on most of the the larger shows that Toonster's done.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3089" data-t="3089">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3091" data-t="3091">the artists,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3093">51:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3093" data-t="3093">you know, for various reasons, some of them got really interested and then they just fell off. And they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3099" data-t="3099">they either didn't get the results or they got intimidated.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3103" data-t="3103">Some of them Yeah. Some of them definitely</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3106" data-t="3106">have,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3107" data-t="3107">had mixed thoughts about,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3110" data-t="3110">you know, the political landscape on Noster,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3113">51:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3113" data-t="3113">and that's just,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3115" data-t="3115">you know, that's just an unfortunate side effect of of what</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3120" data-t="3120">what's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3121" data-t="3121">gone on in the world and and how the artist community generally,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3126" data-t="3126">trends in that direction. Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3128" data-t="3128">So Yeah. When you don't know the difference between Bitcoin and Trump coin,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3134">52:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3134" data-t="3134">it all looks the same. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3136" data-t="3136">and so this community that Phantom Powers put together is it's just getting started. They launched it over the summer,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3143" data-t="3143">but it's a fantastic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3144" data-t="3144">idea to give that little buffer of protection and safety to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3150" data-t="3150">let people step on their toes and not have to get just murdered in the plain sight Right. Of the Internet and say the wrong thing. Yeah. We need we need more places</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3160">52:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3160" data-t="3160">that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3162" data-t="3162">it's just it's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3165" data-t="3165">it's public that you don't have to pass any purity tests</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3168" data-t="3168">to have a conversation here or to collaborate here, to learn here, to talk here. You don't need to pass any purity tests,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3176" data-t="3176">to bewomp. And I think that is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3178" data-t="3178">more important than ever. It's fine if you want to have echo chambers. It's fine if you want</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3183">53:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3183" data-t="3183">to just see your timeline just completely full of ghost of Dick Boettman saying, you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3189" data-t="3189">know, every single ticker on,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3191" data-t="3191">the top 100 is a scam, is a shitcoin. We did it. We get it. Some people like that. But if you wanna go someplace where you're not gonna you're not gonna get</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3201" data-t="3201">kicked out</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3202" data-t="3202">for accidentally posting about Monero,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3205">53:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3205" data-t="3205">like, boom, come here. Yeah. That makes sense.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3208" data-t="3208">It it it's kinda like, it's kinda like training wheels.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3212" data-t="3212">You know what I mean? Like, you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3215" data-t="3215">like, when you're teaching a kid how to ride a bike,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3217" data-t="3217">a lot of times you don't just,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3219" data-t="3219">unless you're like my dad, you know,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3222">53:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3222" data-t="3222">slap you on the bike and just push you down the steepest hill possible and be, like, call you a pussy when you fall over.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3231" data-t="3231">A lot of people, like, benefit from from learning,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3234" data-t="3234">not getting thrown into the fire</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3236" data-t="3236">initially.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3237" data-t="3237">It makes sense.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3239" data-t="3239">Yeah. There I I don't know. Like, should should Matthew crater</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3243">54:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3243" data-t="3243">Crater do a $750</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3245" data-t="3245">course, like, teaching people about all the purity tests and the intricacies of of Bitcoin culture, and we should accept expect these artists to go through the course first? Or</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3256">54:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3256" data-t="3256">We'd ensure that we'd have based musicians.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3259" data-t="3259">Or maybe a musician.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3263">54:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3263" data-t="3263">Yeah, you shouldn't have to take like an SAT course</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3266" data-t="3266">to prepare for all the purity tests you're gonna have to pass your first day</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3271" data-t="3271">on a new social media app that you were hoping you would just be like, Hey, like, I'm gonna make new friends here. I'm gonna find new fans. And immediately you're subject to this bar exam before you're allowed into the community.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3283" data-t="3283">Then we need to get rid of that, but the people who come to these groups also have to remember</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3289" data-t="3289">that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3290" data-t="3290">what this means is it's it's similar like if you do stand up comedy.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3294">54:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3294" data-t="3294">Like, if you go to an open mic, you're gonna have to listen to somebody who might not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3299" data-t="3299">be that articulate or that funny to their best Israel Gaza jokes, and they're gonna be really fucking</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3305" data-t="3305">it it's just gonna be you're gonna be shaking your head,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3310" data-t="3310">but that's the risk you take. It's gonna be there. All that's gonna potentially be there, but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3316" data-t="3316">everybody can still laugh at laugh at a good joke.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3320">55:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3320" data-t="3320">I I really like the idea of Bitcoin standardized testing. So, like, we have a new person coming to the community.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3326" data-t="3326">We issued them, like, an LSAT or an SAT.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3330" data-t="3330">They have their score. It determines how much we should boost them on the Oster</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3335" data-t="3335">or, you know, the podcast appearances that they have. It it's how many</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3340" data-t="3340">if we should follow them or not, like, if you're below, like, a certain score, you're, like, a bad Bitcoiner,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3346">55:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3346" data-t="3346">you have the ability to A corner credit score. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3349">55:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3349" data-t="3349">Yeah. Bitcoin or credit score. Yeah. I like that a lot.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3353">55:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3353" data-t="3353">Like a influencer credit score. You had it's like you're if you're a Bitcoin influencer, this is your kinda like credit score. Are you a scammer?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3360" data-t="3360">Like, do you have to bring it up or do you got, like, a pristine</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3364" data-t="3364">got pristine collateral for reputation?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3367">56:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3367" data-t="3367">I mean, it it make a lot of sense for these these Bitcoin treasury companies. Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3372" data-t="3372">you know, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3373" data-t="3373">do do you see that Preston Pich just got hired</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3376" data-t="3376">by one?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3378" data-t="3378">So all the podcasters are getting gobbled</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3381" data-t="3381">run out of podcasters eventually,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3383">56:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3383" data-t="3383">and they're gonna have to start going to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3386" data-t="3386">musical artists at some point.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3388" data-t="3388">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3391" data-t="3391">it makes sense. Like, you have to achieve a certain core or or certain score to, like, get a sponsorship from Coldcard or,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3400" data-t="3400">like, to, go on what Bitcoin did or or to, you know, sit on the board of MicroStrategy or whatever, get an advisory,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3408" data-t="3408">role at Sequins or</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3410">56:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3410" data-t="3410">is that am I saying the right sequins or sequins?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3414">56:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3414" data-t="3414">Sequins like sequin, Barclay for the Philadelphia Eagles. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3419">56:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3419" data-t="3419">To speak to speak at Bitcoin magazine's conference.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3423" data-t="3423">Okay. I I just think this makes a whole lot of sense. I think I think Plenator would agree with us on this. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3430">57:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3430" data-t="3430">He that's that he would love that. In fact, he would probably run-in, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3435" data-t="3435">he would start it, like, your get it on Umbrel, but he doesn't like Umbrel. So, like, a home server.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3440" data-t="3440">So you run your own influencer credit score. It's like a notes. It's like, you know, that this credit score is not,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3447" data-t="3447">made up.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3448">57:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3448" data-t="3448">Like start nine server.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3451" data-t="3451">Yeah. I'm sure start nine would be down with that. That makes sense.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3456" data-t="3456">Alrighty. Well, one of the things that we do, Mike, is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3461" data-t="3461">at the end of every show is we go through all the boost.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3466" data-t="3466">Did you listen to our last show? We we interviewed Crypto Mags.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3471">57:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3471" data-t="3471">I don't think I've gotten to that one yet.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3473">57:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3473" data-t="3473">Well, we won't give you a hard time. We know you're a regular listener.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3477" data-t="3477">Yeah. So we interviewed Crypto Mags. She is the Canadian queen of, paper Bitcoin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3484">58:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3484" data-t="3484">It was a good time. Shout out to Crypto Mag. She's hot.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3487">58:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3487" data-t="3487">She's gonna start a podcast soon.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3491">58:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3491" data-t="3491">Hop one podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3492" data-t="3492">I'm down.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3494">58:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3494" data-t="3494">Yeah. We need more hot bonds doing podcasts for sure.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3498" data-t="3498">Her and I her and I been, talking,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3501" data-t="3501">about podcast. I mean, there's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3504" data-t="3504">you you know, there's, like, somebody that's been doing this for a while,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3507" data-t="3507">forget how much of a learning curve there is with this stuff. Like, podcasting's hard work.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3512" data-t="3512">There's a lot of people that that drop off.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3517">58:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3517" data-t="3517">There's a lot of people that choose not to not to do it. You know, listening to podcasts is hard work, but producing them is also hard work.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3527" data-t="3527">Yeah. Anyways,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3529" data-t="3529">first boost, 1,000 sats.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3531" data-t="3531">You'll know this guy,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3533" data-t="3533">Pies.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3535" data-t="3535">He says, one of the highlights of my life is being referred to as a thirst trap by the Bugle Boys,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3541">59:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3541" data-t="3541">LFG</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3543" data-t="3543">with four exclamation points,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3546" data-t="3546">strong-arm, strong-arm, strong-arm, mushroom, mushroom, mushroom, salute, salute.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3553" data-t="3553">You you probably know Pies pretty well. Yeah. Legend. He's everywhere.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3557" data-t="3557">Do you think he's a thirst trap?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3559">59:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3559" data-t="3559">He's he's definitely he's gotta be eighty hours per week, don't you say?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3564">59:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3564" data-t="3564">I think I well, I think, we just we need to get Pies listening to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3570" data-t="3570">some of this music. He's listening to a lot of podcasts, but he's also constantly, like, every couple episodes, he'll be like, I I'm just his ears are bleeding</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3577" data-t="3577">either from, you know, construction work,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3580" data-t="3580">or listening to too many podcasts, but it's like, he's like, he's gonna take time away. I think he should start listening to some of this music because if he be dire started getting into this, the Pies would be blasphemous on the boom box at the construction site. You could hear it all throughout the neighborhood.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3594" data-t="3594">Is, everybody's too afraid of him to tell him to turn down the volume. Like, nobody's if you think that you're gonna go up to Pies if you saw him in public and ask him to turn down the volume on his boom box or in his headphones,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3606" data-t="3606">yeah, I you probably wouldn't do it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3609">1:00:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3609" data-t="3609">And dude, he'll be hitting them with, forty hours per week, teams for TRL and like, all there are no, I sort of, dude,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3616" data-t="3616">Pies might be, we gotta get Pies listening to this music. Who should Pies, who should Pies check out? Do you think?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3623" data-t="3623">Did you think he might like?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3625">1:00:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3625" data-t="3625">Yeah. What what type of music do you think Pies listens to? Is he a hip hop guy?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3631" data-t="3631">I was I was thinking Beastie Boys in my head. I think try try Doomtree and Lazerbeak.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3638">1:00:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3638" data-t="3638">Doomtree is a legendary</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3639" data-t="3639">independent hip hop collective in Minneapolis.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3643" data-t="3643">They uploaded their</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3646" data-t="3646">album from about fifteen years ago</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3648" data-t="3648">or twelve years ago onto Wave Lake.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3652" data-t="3652">And I tell you,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3653">1:00:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3653" data-t="3653">if if v for v was around when that album came out, I'd be a broke son of a bitch. I listen to that so much.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3660" data-t="3660">And, I love those guys.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3662" data-t="3662">And Lazerbeak is the is one of the artists in that group. So his his music is his solo career</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3670" data-t="3670">from Doomtree.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3671" data-t="3671">I think I was listening to they have very clever lyrics. Yeah. Right? They're great. I mean, if we put a show on sale</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3678" data-t="3678">for Doomtree</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3679">1:01:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3679" data-t="3679">right now, they'd probably sell 10,000 tickets and just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3682" data-t="3682">Minneapolis</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3683" data-t="3683">would go nuts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3685" data-t="3685">So they're they're phenomenal.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3687">1:01:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3687" data-t="3687">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3690" data-t="3690">Speak speaking of Minneapolis,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3693" data-t="3693">what a crazy city.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3696" data-t="3696">They're they're calling it Little Mogadishu now. Right?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3699">1:01:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3699" data-t="3699">Because of all the immigrants?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3701" data-t="3701">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3702" data-t="3702">Yeah. That we have the largest Somali and Hmong</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3706" data-t="3706">communities outside of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3708" data-t="3708">their homeland. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3710">1:01:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3710" data-t="3710">So</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3711">1:01:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3711" data-t="3711">is anybody orange filling them?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3714" data-t="3714">Gotta get Dennis Porter on the job. Right? But you need to get Dennis Diaz. Exactly.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3719">1:01:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3719" data-t="3719">I've not seen him in Minneapolis anytime recently.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3722">1:02:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3722" data-t="3722">Well, if you're gonna orange pill the Somalis, you're about to get a Minneapolis is about to get a Somali mayor. So that's a reason for Dennis Porter to go out there because he he likes the orange pill Interesting.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3732">1:02:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3732" data-t="3732">There we go.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3734">1:02:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3734" data-t="3734">So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3735" data-t="3735">is it Minnesota that is the land of lakes? Yep. Is that one of the 10,000 lakes. So has there been any concerns about all these smallies moving out there,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3745" data-t="3745">becoming pirates on these lakes?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3749">1:02:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3749" data-t="3749">I have not I have not heard of this concern yet, but I now I'm</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3754" data-t="3754">you know, it's an election season here. I'm gonna go have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3757" data-t="3757">to go have to kick the kick the tires here and see if this is on any of the dockets for discussion this November.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3764">1:02:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3764" data-t="3764">Yep. And it's good to remind you, all those lakes, Minnesota</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3767" data-t="3767">is an underrated place to go</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3769" data-t="3769">for a boating accident.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3771">1:02:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3771" data-t="3771">Yes. There are lots of them. This</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3773" data-t="3773">we have a strong Bitcoin community of people who've lost their Bitcoin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3779">1:02:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3779" data-t="3779">Well, I mean, you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3780" data-t="3780">know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3783" data-t="3783">it's kind of a risky situation. You know? Like, you you go out to the lake, you're planning on having a boating accident, and you accidentally</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3790" data-t="3790">run into Somalis who end up pirating your Bitcoin. So it just doesn't go</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3795" data-t="3795">You want your keys to be at the bottom of the lake, but they end</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3798" data-t="3798">up in the hands of a Somali</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3800">1:03:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3800" data-t="3800">pirate.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3801" data-t="3801">It's a dangerous situation.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3803">1:03:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3803" data-t="3803">That I for most people, if you think about it, you do not think that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3808" data-t="3808">an hour outside of Duluth, Minnesota</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3811" data-t="3811">is a likely place to run into Somali pirates. So you're just not gonna be prepared for it. And if you don't know, so it, it, that just know the rest. I've been enjoying the, I am the captain memes</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3824">1:03:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3824" data-t="3824">about the future mayor. I don't really have anything against him for being Somalia. It's just he he's communist. You know? They're they're the worst.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3833">1:03:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3833" data-t="3833">The next,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3834" data-t="3834">yeah. A bite. So, Pies. You gotta get into Teenswear.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3840" data-t="3840">You gotta start listening to this music because I think you're gonna be into it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3844" data-t="3844">The next one is from Turkey. 500 sats. Turkey did not have,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3849" data-t="3849">a message.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3850" data-t="3850">Thank you, Turkey.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3852">1:04:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3852" data-t="3852">The next one,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3853" data-t="3853">Bitcoin account,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3855" data-t="3855">212</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3857" data-t="3857">zats.</span> <span class="cue" data-t="3857">Bugle makes going to the laundromat an enjoyable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3861" data-t="3861">forty hour per week day. And yes,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3864">1:04:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3864" data-t="3864">absolutely,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3867" data-t="3867">sitting in traffic,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3869" data-t="3869">waiting for your wife to try on clothes at the mall,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3873" data-t="3873">going to the laundromat,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3875" data-t="3875">All those are great opportunities</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3877" data-t="3877">to listen to more Bitcoin podcasts.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3881">1:04:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3881" data-t="3881">When's the last time that you went to a laundromat, Mike? Buying no KYC Bitcoin during COVID. Really? Yeah. The The guy wanted to meet at a laundromat? There's,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3891">1:04:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3891" data-t="3891">there was one of the last</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3893" data-t="3893">this has all subsequently been lost in boating accidents with Smalley pirates involved. But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3898" data-t="3898">the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3900" data-t="3900">laundromat in town, there's one left that didn't have KYC requirements</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3904" data-t="3904">for an ATM.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3906" data-t="3906">And so I just drive there,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3909">1:05:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3909" data-t="3909">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3911" data-t="3911">during the during the mask era, and you just roll up and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3915" data-t="3915">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3916" data-t="3916">get your get your KYC free Bitcoin and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3920" data-t="3920">call it a day. So I did that for a while until they took it away.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3925">1:05:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3925" data-t="3925">What what's the point of a a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3927" data-t="3927">Bitcoin ATM if it has KYC? Because, like, Bitcoin ATMs, they're known for having horrendous exchange rates. Yeah. No. It's it's not a good economical decision.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3936">1:05:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3936" data-t="3936">It's you gotta price place a premium on that Bitcoin and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3941" data-t="3941">take take good care of it. But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3943" data-t="3943">if you're if you're scanning your driver's license and taking a selfie, there's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3948" data-t="3948">I can't even remember what the premium is, like, 20%.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3951" data-t="3951">It's it's stupid.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3952">1:05:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3952" data-t="3952">Well, they'll they'll have a premium on the price, but then they'll also charge some outrageous fee on top of that. Yeah. It's like StubHub. They get you on both sides. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3962" data-t="3962">who who do you think or, like, the types of customers that are using those services now? You it's just obviously, people that don't listen to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3970" data-t="3970">Bitcoin podcasts, they don't hear Marty tell them that River is the best place to buy Bitcoin or, you know, whichever exchange or sponsor in it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3978">1:06:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3978" data-t="3978">I have no clue, but probably,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3983" data-t="3983">I don't know. Maybe the ETH bros are buying their ETC on there or something.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3988">1:06:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3988" data-t="3988">Oh,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3989">1:06:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3989" data-t="3989">interesting. They got all kinds of shit coins on there.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3992">1:06:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3992" data-t="3992">You buy Monero.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3993" data-t="3993">That's the question. No no exchanges have Monero.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3996" data-t="3996">So maybe the Bitcoin ATMs have the Well,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3999">1:06:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3999" data-t="3999">right now they're getting 51%</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4002" data-t="4002">of tax. So you mind boost somebody with Monero and then comes to find out it's got reorged,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4008" data-t="4008">and they didn't get, they didn't get their pay anyway. Yeah. I think,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4013">1:06:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4013" data-t="4013">I don't know what's going on over there. I I need to look into it more. I saw Peter Todd tweeting about it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4020">1:07:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4020" data-t="4020">It's pretty interesting.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4022">1:07:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4022" data-t="4022">We we need Monero bid access to defend the network.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4026" data-t="4026">I think they I think they call them laptops, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4031" data-t="4031">I'm not sure about that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4032" data-t="4032">You can probably use your cell phone too.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4037" data-t="4037">Nostra King, 101 sets, a shout out to Clara and Fitz Tallow for sunning your tits.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4046" data-t="4046">Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4047">1:07:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4047" data-t="4047">Crypto Mags was shelling</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4051" data-t="4051">Claire and Fitz Tallow.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4053" data-t="4053">Who who's your favorite tallow person? So there's a there's a few. So there's Claire and Fitz. I'd never heard of them. There's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4059" data-t="4059">Kit Sats.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4061" data-t="4061">She's got golden tallow.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4063" data-t="4063">Steak and Shake has tallow. Steak and Shake's my favorite tallow. That's what I use on my face is Steak and Shake tallow. That's the only one that I'm familiar with. I'm a big fan of Steak and Shake.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4074">1:07:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4074" data-t="4074">No complaints from Open Mike. What do you think's better, Steak and Shake or Waffle House?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4080">1:07:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4080" data-t="4080">It's gotta be Steak and Shake.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4082">1:08:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4082" data-t="4082">The problem with Steak and Shake is they close.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4085" data-t="4085">They're not twenty four hours. That's true.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4087" data-t="4087">Oh. So on the last episode, the Bigel Week, Ron and I did, we were do we're debating on which,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4094" data-t="4094">you know, when when Bitcoin fixes everything, all the restaurants are gonna let you smoke cigarettes inside again.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4099" data-t="4099">Wait. What do you think the first restaurant to allow people to smoke inside is gonna be?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4105">1:08:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4105" data-t="4105">I I said Waffle House. That's a that's a pretty strong lead.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4111" data-t="4111">Denny's gotta be up there. You think Denny's? Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4115">1:08:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4115" data-t="4115">We we discussed Denny's. Denny's was, part of the I don't think it's Denny's. Yeah. But I I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4122" data-t="4122">there there's a lot of pressure on Denny's. They they're they claim to be America's diner. Mhmm.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4128" data-t="4128">And to to retain that title, I I think they they really have to let people smoke inside again.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4136">1:08:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Open Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4136" data-t="4136">It's like They're in the running.</span></span></p> +