0:02Richard Greaser Music industry is being destroyed by Fiat. Taylor Swift tickets are outperforming the price of Bitcoin. Ticketmaster and Live Nation are crushing the spirit of artists who are forced to bend over to record labels who don't take you seriously unless you go to ditty parties.

0:21Richard Greaser Radio music is devolving into toxic sludge indistinguishable from AI slop. The algorithms are destroying discoverability and penalizing anything that's valuable.

0:33Richard Greaser Is the world of music hopeless? One man thinks it's not. While others are throwing up their hands and submitting to a system that preys on children, promotes predators, and champions mediocrity, there's a grassroots movement building in the shadows. Today, joining us is the most important man in the value for value music economy, the visionary behind the live streaming platform Toonster, the inventor of the Bugle Mile High Club.

1:03Open Mike Open mic, how are you doing today? Hey. That's quite the intro. Thanks for having me. I'm doing well. It's good to have you. It's great to be here. It's great to be great to be on the Bugle. Long time listener, first time caller.

1:16Richard Greaser Yeah. So kinda kinda fun store. So we're we're recording in Matt O'Dell's studio. We took it over. We're in Nashville.

1:24Open Mike That's right.

1:25Richard Greaser You've got a, music event happening here tomorrow that I'm pretty excited about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're,

1:33Open Mike the the Bitcoin Park open house tomorrow is value for value themed. We have, four new musicians who are coming into the space, gonna be playing for about an hour upstairs. And on the front end, Ainsley Costello and I are gonna be doing a fireside chat on the state of the state of the value for value industry, the state of independent music,

1:58Open Mike her genesis story, and and this and where she's at in her career. It's about it's coming up on two years now from that infamous lightning summit where she showed up and, just dove head first into this world. It's been it's been insane to watch that trajectory. Yeah. I'm excited for it.

2:18Richard Greaser It's, so so what what can we expect? So there's gonna be some some chants. There's gonna be some music performed.

2:24Open Mike Yep. It'll be a traditional Nashville round, so it'll be four artists playing acoustic sets, one song at a time across the, you know, the the main room in in the, Bitcoin Park studio upstairs and

2:43Open Mike be broadcast live on Toonster, and we hope we have a a raucous crowd and a lively chat room going so we can really show these artists, you know, what what this community is all about and, like, why should they give a shit about what we're doing? Why should they, you know, why should they really take this this seriously? Because we we know the tech. We know the we know the tools that we have.

3:08Open Mike But at the end of the day, it's, you know, with a traditional musician, the results and the the economics really matter. And to to get that feedback in the form of sats is important rather than just the thumbs up on Facebook or the hearts on Instagram. To actually give them true value and and and

3:31Open Mike see the reaction is that's priceless when you can when you can watch the light bulbs kinda click. It doesn't happen with everybody, but hopefully one of them hopefully all of them will will catch the bug and, you know, get the mind virus like we all have.

3:48Richard Greaser Have you thought about bringing Dennis Porter to orange peel all these artists?

3:52Open Mike It's gotta be it's gotta be a high price point. You know?

3:57Rod Palmer So I I think, I my question would be, do you think you need more drama? Do you think it's gotta be more like Battle of the Bands or like, you know, real real, you know, artists of

4:13Rod Palmer of Bitcoin Park? Like, like, Real Housewives or something like that? Or do you and do you do you think you maybe need more commercials? Do you because I think Nostra people or or people that use, like, Wave Lake in in Tunster, and I think that not all of them know that, the mute that

4:35Rod Palmer that they've got, you know, music to sell. Like, they they but if you make a commercial, it's like, oh, I can go tip Ainsley Costello, you know, 12,000 sats for her new album. I didn't know I could do that, so you just need more commercials. That's fair. Sell themselves, you know, sell themselves.

4:55Rod Palmer Sell sell your, sell your art, you know. Instead of just waiting for somebody to come by and appreciate it, be like, hey. This is I'm proud of this. I'm this is for sale. Come, come buy my album. I think, you know, I think more people would. I think it's not that they are willing to. It's just sometimes you gotta trick them into trick them into it.

5:18Open Mike Well, I mean, the value for value, the Podfather is very open and, direct in his in his business model and asking. He said, you have to ask. So, that is that's a very real

5:38Open Mike a real thing that drives results is make sure people know what you're up to and what this means, and that's something that I always try to drill home on my little soapbox when I get a chance to speak before a show or, you know, give a little statement between sets. I just say, you know, this is if if this is what you want your artists to take on a path for their career, then we need to step up and and speak with our feet, speak with our wallets as well, and make sure that they're getting

6:08Open Mike they're getting the appropriate, compensation or or

6:14Rod Palmer love I,

6:15Open Mike what's gonna what what their the big risk that they're taking.

6:20Rod Palmer Yeah. I, I would say I would categorize that I've had a a decent amount of success, and good, experience on the value for value, economy, especially on Oscar and some of these platforms,

6:36Rod Palmer with all my art. And people know I've got music. I've got it on Spotify as well, but but I've got it on these platforms. Richard has a huge catalog of music and people. It's really popular, in these communities. And I think my secret to my success is playing hard to get. Instead of asking people to zap me or to, boost me, you know, I, I, they just can't play out. I get I get the, you know, the chicks will be like my songs and they're like, why is he not asking me to boost them? What's going on? You know, it's just playing hard to get a little bit. Is that your dating strategy as well?

7:14Rod Palmer Yeah, exactly. I just ignore if I think a girl is beautiful and I really want to get to know her, I completely ignore her. I put my headphones on, but listen to Bitcoin podcasts, and I don't even make eye contact. And that usually gets them curious, and they're like, what what podcast is he listening to that's more interesting than this dress? And then I tell her it's, you know, pressed and pinched Bitcoin fundamentals, and then she's interested. She knows I'm an intellectual.

7:42Richard Greaser I mean, that makes sense with the hot women, you know, because, like, hot women are just they're always used to all the guys, like, going after them. You know what I mean? It's just like unusual if, but isn't there like a point where you get worried about it where like, she thinks you're probably gay. You know what I mean?

8:01Rod Palmer I think it's pretty clear, if you look at me in the state of my clothes, how wrinkly I are, like I don't make my own bed. I don't iron my own clothes, like she's probably not gonna, mistake me for being too light in the feet. So yeah,

8:15Richard Greaser you're really in the music ecosystem. Right. You're a big fan of music, very involved with it. Like, what's your overview and your opinion of the the Bitcoin ecosystem and its involvement with music? So we've got Ainsley, we got Sarah Jade, we've got, Tip NZ, we've got,

8:36Richard Greaser Joe Martin. Yep. We got Scar Dust now. We've got a bunch of people putting in music out there. We got Satoshi Nakamoto. They're doing some pretty cool stuff.

8:51Open Mike Man like Quex.

8:52Richard Greaser Man like Quex.

8:54Open Mike Yeah. There's a lot of there's a lot of activity. There's a lot of lot of OGs in the turn in the in the sense that two to three years is OG in this space right now. And there's a lot of passion, lot of concentrated, passionate people, and

9:18Open Mike we're really looking for a breakout. You know, I think it's everybody wants to, you know, figure out what's what's the next big wave. Right? What's the next what where's the god candle of musician adoption and and this culture growing. I I stand honestly, I stand in awe at times of of what needs to happen.

9:44Open Mike And and and, like, I look at, Noster as a whole or musician adoption as, like, a subset of that, and I think back to the the TikTok ban in January. I'm like, woah. Man, if that didn't do it, what's gonna do it? Right? Everybody's freaking out. You think about in in my world, I, I operate in the independent venue

10:11Open Mike promoter business. So we interact with thousands of independent artists a year and do, you know, 1,300 concerts a year. And, we don't deal in in the recorded music space as much, but we very much see the impact of it because they

10:32Open Mike if they're not making money on their records, they need to make money on tour. They need to make money on merch, and they need to make money on other things. And that puts it puts a pretty unique strain on the relationship between the venue, the promoter, and the the booking agent who's representing the artists. And I see these people who are spending so much time,

10:55Open Mike like, ten thousand hours, like, developing their brand on YouTube, on TikTok, you know, taking all these Instagram videos just to get followers because if you don't have a million followers, a record label is not gonna even let you in the door for a conversation. And so they gotta do all these little dances just to get into, quote, the music industry, and then

11:20Open Mike then you'll have enough money behind you so that you can go on tour and afford it. And so when I see the TikTok ban go, I'm like, oh, this is gonna be it. Everybody's gonna see this now. Like, this is this is the catalyst. And it didn't happen. And then, you know, even pre before that, like, I got really excited when all the Swifties left Twitter. I was like, well, they gotta go somewhere, and they're gonna see that the other one's just as flawed as this one. But it's

11:50Open Mike it hasn't it hasn't directed the traffic to what we're doing yet. And so I don't know if we need to, you know, talk to the CEO, Derek Ross, or what what's gotta happen for the Nostra marketing department to kick in, but we're, I think it's good. I think it's I think the tools are there, but they're they're Do They're not ready they're not ready for the mainstream. But

12:18Rod Palmer Do we need do we need to bring back good morning post, on Noster? Like, do we need to, like, lighten up the mood? I know Bodell is pretty grumpy, and he's, like, one of the base influencers on Noster. So he kinda sets the mood for the rest of the users kind of in the, you know, that main primal algorithm.

12:41Rod Palmer So everybody's grumpy and then you start saying good morning again, and it's like, lighten up the mood, be bullish. This is the bull market. And, just, yeah, just maybe that will finally help it be a little bit more palatable to the mainstream and then draw some more interest.

13:01Open Mike Yeah. I mean, we got we got Odell off all caps, so he's he's dialing it down a little bit. But, yeah, a little little morale boost might might be great. Bring lighten it up.

13:14Richard Greaser I'm I'm waiting for the the point in the bull market where Odell like, last cycle where he wasn't humble anymore. 100 by conference day going on BTC sessions all too wrong, screaming. We need we need that Odell back, in my opinion. He he talked about that on,

13:32Open Mike god, what was just the podcast the other day? He talked about lookout for the top signals when I get euphoric.

13:41Richard Greaser A lot the overall sentiment seems pretty negative right now. Like, a lot of people are grumpy. They're they're not enjoying paper Bitcoin summer. Plutator's running around, issuing purity tests left and right. The the morale seems pretty low right now. I don't I don't really know, why that is. Bitcoin continues to hit all time highs.

14:03Rod Palmer You know, I I I almost wonder, Ken, you said, like, the top is when Matt Odell gets euphoric. Can Matt Odell still get euphoric? Does he still have an enemy? Seems like maybe, but part of his grumpiness is he feels jaded.

14:20Rod Palmer And I think the problem is, we're letting people like Plater set the narrative. We're, we're trying to convince Plater that it's bullish, that we should be bullish, that we should be, optimistic. We're trying to convince him instead of just being bullish and optimistic because

14:39Richard Greaser there's so much happening in this space because it well, it is growing. I don't know who's letting Plutert or set the narrative. I'm not letting him set the narrative. I think I think he's entertaining. I enjoy it's it's like I don't know. I when I was collecting my credentials in college, I took an anthropology course, which was pretty interesting. And I feel like watching platters, like watching,

15:07Richard Greaser like, doing, like, a anthropological study of a I don't even know how to describe him, but just, like, a very, unhappy individual.

15:19Rod Palmer Yeah. I just mean, like, you know, he will, you know, he published a real like a really red chart about a Bitcoin meme stock, you know, or or a treasury company. And you got, like, the CEOs, like Corey from Swan, who are constantly having to reply and retweet predator and explain why that chart is actually bullish and they gotta do it over and over and over again. And I just think that it's you, if you really are bullish, you just, you shouldn't have to retweet and reply to everything predator says.

15:50Richard Greaser Well, why do you retweet and reply to everything Pleditor says?

15:54Rod Palmer From just reporting the news. He is a, an important influencer in the space. His tweets are are notable.

16:05Richard Greaser So is this, like, a problem that you face? You you try and bring musicians into the Bitcoin ecosystem, into the circular economy, and they're just met with, like, hundreds of purity tests? Is that something that you you have to, like, give them a rundown on, like, okay, Bitcoin, not crypto. You know, there there's always landmines that they can that walk on. Is that is that a barrier to entry that you find

16:33Richard Greaser difficult dealing with new artists interested?

16:36Open Mike Yeah. Absolutely. It is. I mean, we all know there there's just certain things that are toxic on on Bitcoin, on social media, on Nostr, and you just don't you just don't touch it. But for the outside normie world, you

16:53Open Mike know, the Bitcoin is like a term like Kleenex to them. It's just a generic title for this, you know, quote, digital asset or blockchain, Web three, blah blah blah. And there is definitely a degree of grace that needs to be given to a newcomer who comes in, and they might, you know, they might misspeak and talk about, whatever,

17:19Open Mike you know, goofy variation they've gotten involved in. But, you know, I I I've even had to educate myself on some of those areas so that I can speak, you know, on a very on a on an educated basis to tell them what the shortcomings are and why this is yeah. Certainly, it's I'm not gonna tell you you shouldn't go

17:43Open Mike earn a living if if all of your fans wanna go buy, you know, a picture of an ape on a different chain. Well, then the market has decided that that's what you should you should sell your fans, but just be fucking transparent about what it is you're doing and and make sure you're delivering what they want. Don't overpromise. Don't tell them it's gonna go to the moon. And then as soon as you get any form of value, convert it to Bitcoin immediately.

18:13Open Mike But, you know, the the other thing that I think is important even for me is I've been around in Bitcoin for not not quite a decade, but, to really remember that, like, you know, I I dabbled in that shit at one point. The difference between somebody like that and me is time. We know that. Like, Bitcoin's inevitable.

18:37Open Mike I think Gnoster's inevitable. I think these things are are just a matter of how much time and engagement do you put into giving a shit about it, and you're gonna just be right where I am in a couple years. And so, you know, if I meet if I meet somebody who's really into NFTs, I'll just wait for them to go to zero, and then they'll come back to me. And generally speaking, though generally speaking, though, the artists

19:03Open Mike are are not in it for the wrong reasons. There's like so many of these things, the they see an opportunity to monetize something and exchange value with their with their followers. And they're trying to do it in good faith, but they they're not gonna dive down the technical rabbit hole and figure out what the protocol layer looks like Right. And and that,

19:29Open Mike you know, some Yeah. Some Ethereum committee can can go change all the rules overnight, and then none of it matters.

19:38Rod Palmer Right. Five e it it's just it it also highlights the you know, when you come to some of these platforms and you're checking out in Austria, it's a different crowd. It's like people who are a little bit more technical, they're a little bit more withered, they're pioneers, they've been trailblazing the user experience, difficulties for years, decades sometimes. And they're just withered and, you know,

20:03Rod Palmer they're I can only imagine like how awful we would how much we would have missed out on. If Ainsley Costello, her first post on Noster was the date Pleditor was on there and he retweeted her and said you know, oh this girl is a scammer because she used the law the wrong custodial lightning wallet. Like, that would be like, that would that'd be a shame. And like, but some people might, have to get used to the brash

20:32Rod Palmer nature of, of some of the fans that are gonna encounter on these platforms.

20:40Open Mike Yeah. It it's it's very confusing if you if you come on and, you know, play a play a show on Toonster, I'll hook you up with your first lightning wallet and transaction, kinda show you the way, and then we, you know, send you off on your journey. And it's it becomes ideally a a self taught pursuit with the support of the community at that point. And then if they go out there and they're getting lectured,

21:07Open Mike you know, why are they using Wallet of Satoshi instead of some more sovereign choices? Like, what am I talking about? Right. I just wanna play songs and and engage with my fans. Like, get the fuck out of my face, and I'm out of here. Yeah.

21:21Rod Palmer This is, yeah, this is why you're, you probably you do a good job that you're great. Like, you show these people how to do it. Like you download a wallet. This is all you have to do. And you say, it's a little bit of a responsibility, but your goal is to get good enough that your agent handles

21:39Rod Palmer your, your base revenue. So like you, you can outsource once you've, released a few hits. You can you can get an agent, and your agent can handle all the user experience difficulties for you. It's like good motivation.

21:54Open Mike You wanna talk about the best diamond hand? You know, some of these guys who've lost their keys forever might have better diamond hands, but some of these artists that I work with, that that famous show in '23 in in Minneapolis when Ainsley and Justloud

22:12Open Mike generated 18,000,000 sats. I always I always give Justloud shit. I'm just like, yeah. You got you got the most diamond hands. You didn't even know how to move your Bitcoin if you wanted to. Like, he's gonna huddle that forever because it it's such a technical barrier for him to think about I mean, if if he called me and said I need to liquidate, of course, I'd show him how to do it. But

22:36Open Mike it's, it's funny because they don't necessarily get here. We got here generally because of the Bitcoin because Noster came second. For me now, Nostr first is is a way more compelling value prop for engaging this community because you you have to

22:59Open Mike you know, you you meet an artist, set them up with Primal, set them up with Fountain. That takes, you know, two to three minutes, hopefully, if the email validations go through quick. Zap zap Adam Curry or zap the bugle on Fountain and then take them back over to Primal and show that it cross posted.

23:21Open Mike They they're like, holy cow. I've got these two, quote, platforms, but somehow they're talking to each other. And so then that that usually gets them engaged in this idea that these aren't new apps, these aren't new,

23:40Open Mike platforms. But buried in that is you have to deal with Bitcoin. Right? This stuff, all all of the value that's extracted and earned and exchanged is in the form of Bitcoin.

23:55Open Mike So if you like what you see on that, quote, social media front on Nostr, well, then you've got the task in front of you that you're gonna have to figure out this Bitcoin thing that you've been cringing at for five years. And it becomes more of something that you wanna seek rather than get, you know, shoved down your mouth by a bunch of Bitcoin evangelists, which is that's the normal pattern that we all try and guilty as charged here is

24:20Open Mike I see I see the value prop, and I see all of the similarities between music and the finance world. I'm in I'm in finance by trade. My day job, I'm a CPA working in the music industry and running this running these venues. So I got into Bitcoin from a finance standpoint of of how this,

24:44Open Mike what this means for banking and personal finance and sovereignty. And working tangentially then in music, you're you look at it. It's like, this is the same problem, just in a different structure. It's everything is centralized, gate kept. Nobody owns what they think they own. It's it's all permission based, and

25:09Open Mike that makes so much more sense when you paint it in the in the light of to an artist because they use tools that look like all the time. And that's why, you know, that's why I I leaned into Toonster. It's like, this is something that people are familiar with. The visual isn't scary. It doesn't it's not a new concept. It's

25:31Open Mike it's just not a very good business model in in the real music world. Like, not many people are doing streams successfully and monetizing it, but it's kind of a Trojan horse for me. It it gives them something to do that is zero risk, low effort. And if

25:51Open Mike if they walk in and see a whole bunch of crazy maniacs like us zapping and chatting on the side of the livestream, and then at the end of the night, I get to say, hey. You you made 300 extra bucks. How do you you know, do you wanna collect that? Or, you know, how do you feel about that? What? And that's when they their eyes perk up a little bit, and they say, tell me more.

26:12Richard Greaser That's that's cool. But you you can't sell them upfront. It it doesn't work the other way. Well, have you ever tried to, like, explain to them that if they do this, there's a pathway for them to be an adviser at a Bitcoin treasury company, a paper Bitcoin company? That's

26:29Open Mike that is the next step by far.

26:33Rod Palmer You have you thought about you need, or you could benefit from your own Mr. Beast. Have you have you gone out looking for a Mr. Beast who will just be such a, they'll just cause so much commotion, and so many people will be talking about it that they'll

26:51Rod Palmer they'll go viral. Your entire platform will go viral and then people will wanna be like, well, Mr. B, the, this orange dill Mr. Beast guy could do it. I could do it. And then you just, you got people playing video games. You got hot shit smoking cigarettes and talking about podcast. Like you got all these cool streams that, people were, they started using it and it just becomes a like a

27:14Richard Greaser popular alternative, something like that. I don't know. You need a mister beast is what I'm saying. That's an interesting idea. That that's like what Nico from Simply Bitcoin is trying to be. Right? BTC sessions? Who who do you think is the best candidate for the mister beast of Bitcoin?

27:30Rod Palmer Oh, I mean, it's it is it's it's almost it is a hybrid between those two because I I just think that, well, they do. What they have, like, simply sessions, that is, like, our mister beast. Well, that's our top one.

27:47Richard Greaser I I think Isabella is a good candidate.

27:51Open Mike That's that's that's a good one. See, who goes into merchandise first?

27:59Richard Greaser So one one thing that I've found pretty fascinating, just interacting with the value for value music ecosystem, interacting with a lot of Bitcoin people, is their taste in music. It seems like a lot of them, they like little bubble. So they just like, like, you know, EDM with, like, Michael Sailor talking over it.

28:23Richard Greaser I don't know if that's, like, the only music they listen to. So Ainsley kinda has, like, a pop. Yeah. She's a pop artist. Scardust, you know, a lot of people, when I was sharing their their music video rip, the Bitcoin theme music video, they predominantly said they didn't like metal, which, you know, surprised me because Bitcoin seems pretty metal to me,

28:51Richard Greaser kind of punk rock metal. The Bitcoiner personality type is, according to Brandon Quidham's study, is like an INTJ, which I think is kinda like an autist. Like, what what type of music, like, do you think there's something here where the personality type of people that are into Bitcoin that like certain types of music, like, do we

29:17Richard Greaser the the people that could be most successful with this ecosystem, are they are they gonna have to, like, are they gonna be the types of the genre of music that, like, Luke Dash Jr. Listens to?

29:31Rod Palmer Exactly. Don't make me, like, pot music for the normies. You gotta make, music for your autistic audience. Mhmm.

29:43Richard Greaser Like, what what type of music do autists like besides EDM with Michael Sailor talking over?

29:50Open Mike Well, those do get a lot of traction on Noster. They are, it is it is funny, and I think it it it is also the source of a little confusion when you have some of these artists, like, Theo Katzmann and Scardust and Laserbeak who come in at a much more traditional, traditional music

30:15Open Mike background, and they have significant success already. And they come on, and they're competing with that, and they got nothing. You know, they I mean, Theo's gotten a pretty good amount of love, but,

30:28Rod Palmer it is

30:30Open Mike it is challenging to, like, you know, we've been talking about Scardust quite a bit and how they're just a perfect fit for the space, and they're embracing it. They they're in line with the ethos, and they're actually they're doing these twenty four hour streams. They're releasing their music on Noster, and, and, yeah, little bubble is is, taking all the zaps a lot of times. I'm not sure how we tackle that other than,

31:04Open Mike you know, with Toonster and the Bugle using using some of our reaches to let everybody know when I think it's really important when an when an artist is making a pivot into this space that that we really try to raise them up and showcase them. And, I know that's what we're doing we're trying to do with Scardust is get in Yeah. Increase the awareness so that

31:32Open Mike they're not total strangers to to the rest of the community if they're not, you know, if they're not rapping about the having. You know?

31:42Rod Palmer Yeah. I, one of the things that we do at the Bugle that just thinking about it more during this conversation, I I think we should emphasize more. As I we we we wanna find people who and artists and creators and our friends who, we think other people need to hear

32:04Rod Palmer their content or hear what they have to say or listen to their music, whatever it is, if we enjoy it. And it's like sending a signal, like, if we're advocating for more of this value for value exchange, we should be out there more with these big hard hitting

32:24Rod Palmer zaps on a really good video, really good song, a really good post. And it's like, hey, I'm gonna put up a couple 100, you know, a couple 100,000 zaps, a couple million zaps. Because I think that this this artist, this person, my friend, I think it's worth it. And I think when you you set that example, I think it invites other people to be like, woah. That's a that

32:51Rod Palmer that was a pretty big stake. Like, that's a big signal that they put that much. That must be a good song. That must be a good, you know, podcast, whatever it is. And I think that builds, and I think that's something that we could do. I think the Beagle, we, like, we should do more of.

33:11Richard Greaser Yeah. No, exactly. It's like, we need like an open sats of, funding artists in a way, if that makes sense. Like what you're describing is that if somebody shows interest in us, we have to be hardcore simps. Mhmm. Like real hardcore simps. I'm a hardcore simp, but scarred us for sure. Yeah. You know, part of the reason is like I I really genuinely like their music. I think it's some of the best music in the world. Mhmm. Especially

33:39Richard Greaser from the singing standpoint, the complexity of it. Like I I come from, listening to a lot of classical music and I think metal and and and classical music, with the complexity of it. Like you look at Scar Dust, they have, a full choir Mhmm. Featured in a lot of their shows. They they they feature a lot of different artists that are really good. The, the music happening in the background, the guitar, the drums, the bass is very complex.

34:10Richard Greaser It's, like, there's a lot of really good music out there, you know, that just consists of, like, three chords on repeat, you know, very like, simple, strong structure. You've got verse, chorus, verse, chorus, verse, chorus.

34:28Richard Greaser So my music's like that. I think, some of my songs, they only have like four chords, but you just see like the wild range of dynamics. It's definitely like next level. And, I have this belief, you know, we've all read the Bitcoin standard, you know, and heard Saifedean's thoughts on Bitcoin art or Fiat art.

34:52Richard Greaser And we're seeing, you know, Fiat art dominating right now, and it's just trash. A lot of trash out there. And I think

35:05Richard Greaser there there are people that are actually creating really, really, really cool art. I mean, you look at like modern art, you know, Safdieen likes to, shit on modern art. You look at the stuff that Madex is doing and it's very, very cool. Next level. Yeah, I just wanna highlight stuff like that pretty much.

35:26Rod Palmer Yes, exactly. If you see Rod Palmer boosted some piece of content on Fountain or on Primal, 50,000 sats,

35:38Rod Palmer 30,000 sats. Immediately, you know at least one thing that it's not AI slop. That it's not, you know, it's not wife slop. Your wife don't show this meme. Don't listen to this song to your wife. It's not wife slop. It's something that, maybe I should take two minutes out of my day to listen to or to check out or to laugh at or to learn from. But that's the signal. Like, we can

36:06Rod Palmer we can set the example, I guess, to, just keep highlighting what is an AI slump.

36:13Open Mike Yeah. I think another you know, thinking about another thing that that one of the major problems for an artist is discoverability, and that's sort of what we're talking about here is in our little community, when somebody comes in, we have our little rituals where you hashtag in introductions, and then

36:33Open Mike everybody, you know, zaps them and we start following for a while. But, I I think there is there's a next level that we need to figure out on, like, how to sustain it. I know, a really good example is, Henry Invisible, if you've seen him on any of his posts on on Noster's. He we did a show,

36:60Open Mike at Antone's nightclub in Austin last December with Adam Curry and Ainsley, and there there were six musicians there. I did a I did a half day conference called Sats by Southwest at Bitcoin Commons, and we had a bunch of artists

37:19Open Mike on stage talking and Derek Ross, Parker Lewis, DJ Val, a bunch of, Phantom Power, Heather Larson, Mike Newman. There's a whole bunch of people involved in the space. And then the next day, we went over to Anton's and had this six person, just we called it an artist showcase.

37:43Open Mike And each each artist got introduced by Adam Curry, and he gave him a little spiel about what we're doing and the value for value movement. And, Henry came in totally blind. He had he was a he was a late fill in. In the last week, I had to, I reached out to an agent down in Austin and and said, who's a who's a good tickets you know, who's who's moves tickets in the club scene down here and would be open minded to something like this. And

38:15Open Mike said first thing they said is Henry Invisible, and he, you know, he had he dove right in. I can't remember how much he got from that night probably. I mean, I think we got over 5,000,000 sets that night, and he got, you know, 5 or $600 probably. But he immediately dove in and started posting, you know, short form videos from his studio

38:39Open Mike almost on a daily basis, and he was texting me and calling me. And, you know, he was going into the tech. I was it was super exciting to see, and that's, you know, that's the kind of stuff that that gets momentum, but then it was clear I I have I owe him a phone call. I gotta get back and

39:01Open Mike see where he's at now. And I know his his posts have slowed down, but I think artists are still developing kind of parallel fan bases. So he's got he's got his Austin live community where he could

39:16Open Mike he could go out and sell 200, 300 tickets a night down there. And, but if he's not bringing those fans into Noster to support him in Noster, then he's losing out because the people that are currently in Noster

39:34Open Mike are not familiar with him, and they're not in Austin at all these shows. So the people who are most likely to really zap hard and get emotional about your music are not the people that are on primal right now if you're a new artist. And so until we bridge that, you know, bringing their fans here,

39:56Open Mike it I I don't know. We gotta we gotta really support them and give them the favorable results here so that then they take their next steps to to invest more of their time and energy here.

40:12Richard Greaser So where where are some of the hubs? So you've you've got Phoenix. Phoenix is definitely a hub. Yeah. You got the Wavelight guys out there and KeyW. You just got, like, a huge community out there. You've got, Nashville with Bitcoin Park. Yep.

40:31Richard Greaser Austin, has a big Bitcoin scene. Yep. It kinda seems like those types of areas I know Minneapolis has a big Bitcoin scene as well.

40:43Open Mike Yep. They're popping up. A lot of the a lot of the podcast two point o, people are in the Midwest and Missouri. Sarah Jade's out in California. There's some things popping off in New York, but it really

41:03Open Mike it it really demands a physical space that's accessible and, you know, it's, like, set up to be because if like, when I take this on the road, it could cost 5 figures really fast. So, like, take all the equipment out, pop up a show in a different city, and rent a room, get some equipment,

41:23Open Mike book the artists. It's a pretty terrible business model as much fun as it is, but it, if you have something that you could just pop up in your hometown, like, you know, the we had the vinyl lounge here in Nashville going for a couple months where I came in and I brought I brought some cameras from Minneapolis, and we installed it for the

41:48Open Mike the Bitcoin conference side event two years ago. And, I knew the owner there, so I just left my gear there. And I said, let's just let's just do Toonster here for as long as you want. And, Phantom Power really spearheaded the whole thing, and they they took over that place every Monday night, and they had a house band. And we ran a Monday night stream for four or five

42:14Open Mike weeks.

42:15Rod Palmer Yep. That was

42:17Open Mike that's the model. But the problem is we need them to have the expertise of phantom power to move on to someplace else and, you know, teach a man how to fish. Don't just give him a bunch of fish. And and that's it wasn't sustainable to just have them show up every week.

42:37Rod Palmer So one of the things we've already kind of talked about, but I wanted to highlight again was like just the audience and like knowing the the new audience that you will be engaging with in this, you know, on Nostra and in this community, is I see a lot of people that do try to promote, you know, music or,

43:00Rod Palmer content that is kinda more, like, mainstream, which is a generally younger audience. But one thing I am constantly reminded about Nostra and the Bitcoin community in general is, like, it is a slightly older, demographic. So it's like a lot of Gen X. There's a lot of boomers, that are, you know, buying some crazy emoji that you might not suspect. And

43:24Rod Palmer what, like, the people this like, middle aged people grew up with is, was MTV. So you had, like, Total Request live with Carson Daly. And you everybody would, like, they they'd call in and they'd sit on the phone and they would like, wait for the operator to like, hey, who do you vote for? Or then they would eventually do it online, but everybody would go home and they'd like, vote for who would get in the top 10, their favorite songs. And that's what we need. We need a, like a Nostra, like Tunestra,

43:54Rod Palmer Tuttel Request Live, we need a Carson Daly. And every day you, you go at a certain time and you boost and you, who who's your favorite song? What's your favorite artist that day? Who do you should want in the top 10? I would probably do that all the time. I need a a Teamster TRL. Teamster TRL. There we go. That's the that's the

44:16Open Mike that's the for the show. I love that. And and and all these creative gamification ideas where the artists are the ones who benefit is is what I've really seen successful. We for the traditional shows that I do, like, I'd never stick a a TV near the stage. That's a big no no in in concert production. The the artist is the focal point. You want distractions

44:43Open Mike adjacent to the stage. But for these Bitcoin events, like tomorrow at the at the Bitcoin Park event, we're gonna have TVs flanking the the performance area that shows what's going on online, and it shows

45:01Open Mike the Zap activity. And oftentimes, we have a customized leaderboard that has, effects and whatnot. So if you're the top zapper, you can see who you know, you're kinda jockeying with with your your fellow clubs and seeing who's who's got the most love for this band. And, that's really how those those two shows got pretty viral and got such a crazy amount of

45:27Open Mike of artist support is because people were, people were competing. It was one of them was RSS boosts versus Noster zaps, and everybody wanted to win. And then the the one in in Austin was just individuals on the leaderboard, and there are a couple people

45:44Speaker 3 trying to outdo each other. Exactly.

45:45Open Mike And it's awesome. Exactly.

45:47Rod Palmer This is, and this is an opportunity like, I it goes back to what I said earlier. My approach is that I'm gonna play hard to get. So instead of, you know, you can now reach out to a broader audience. You could stream this on YouTube. You could stream this on, Rumble. You could stream it on X.

46:07Rod Palmer But if you want to get your favorite song in the top 10, you're gonna have to go get Bitcoin and pay a lightning invoice or zap a Nostra profile. Otherwise, you just, you know, it's a good show, you'll watch, but you don't get a say no matter what platform you're on unless you just figure out the very easy step of just downloading a primal wallet, signing up for and then boom. Now you can zap.

46:35Rod Palmer Now you can vote. And they want to. They want to be a part of this community, and being a part of this community is this, you know, this influence a fun influence battle to get your favorite music Mhmm. In the Teamster TRL.

46:49Richard Greaser TRL? And maybe you yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting to think, it it sounds like there's a lot of ways for people to get involved outside of just being musicians, like people with AV skills, people that are good at making memes, people that wanna help out at these events, people that know people that run venues or work at venues or own venues, people that podcast.

47:16Richard Greaser Mhmm. All of these. Do you I mean, do you know of any, I I know there's been a few attempts. I I haven't followed it as closely as I could because I've been so hyper focused on Bitcoin podcasts, but, you know, of many value for value music podcasts out there that are really going out and promoting,

47:37Open Mike people? There are some the Phantom Power team has the the artist hour, the business hour. They've been a little less regular on the cadence lately, but, my favorite one was Adam Curry's boost to gram ball live when he was doing that, because that was just such a cool,

47:59Open Mike it was such a cool like, it reminded me of the radio DJs when I was growing up in the nineties and eighties, and he'd, you know, he'd play them, and then you'd literally hear this you'd hear the feedback of the of the boosts and the zaps as they were happening, and he's, he's just so gifted in his delivery of all of his years in broadcasting. But there's a handful of them out there. Wave Lake was doing one for a while,

48:31Open Mike but we we I wouldn't say there's a dominant you know, maybe maybe that's the niche. Let's go to the the Toonster Bugle t r

48:41Rod Palmer l. You know, we get Toonster t r l. Yeah. I mean Get some sort of a way to

48:49Open Mike to provide a a discovery mechanism where people,

48:53Rod Palmer you know, people who take the plunge and go into the space get distribution right away. Mhmm. Yeah. Like a t you know, you talked about that you have these events and these live streams where you bring people together and you build hype and you get I think it's just create and it could be a music podcast, it could be a podcast, it could be a meetup, it could be anything. It could be these special events that you guys throw. Just creating more reasons to get people's attention and say listen, we're spending money. Like I said, if I put 50,000

49:28Rod Palmer sats on a, a podcast, it's not AI suck. If you're putting proof of work into this cool production in some city, and you're bringing people's favorite artists from them, these, all these different platforms who have their own niche fans, and you're bringing them all together, You're saying this stuff's good and we're putting, we're putting it out there and we're saying you should listen to this.

49:53Rod Palmer Just doing that as much as possible at every scale, big or small possible, is just another opportunity to, just attract more people and bring more people in and and grow the space.

50:05Open Mike Yeah. The the individuals that come to mind who are really working on this community the most intimately and successfully are actually right here in in Bitcoin Park's backyard. The Phantom Power Group has started a a community

50:24Open Mike on the Mighty Network, and they're aggregating. Like, when they have these four musicians that are gonna come in tomorrow, They're gonna be onboarded to this network, and it's this online community where everybody everybody can kinda speak freely and not you know, the idea is

50:44Open Mike you're not gonna run into those, like, points of shame where you might you might say the wrong might say the wrong thing and reference

50:56Rod Palmer alt command. This is backstage. This is backstage, like, backstage talk, locker room talk. You're you're with other, you're fellow rock stars. You're Yeah. You guys are gonna talk a little bit loose about, you know, some of the some of the experiences you had on the blockchain.

51:12Open Mike And that is that is a direct result of the work that Phantom Power has been doing in the last year plus and seeing some of the experiences of the musicians that, you know, because we've partnered together on most of the the larger shows that Toonster's done. And the artists,

51:33Open Mike you know, for various reasons, some of them got really interested and then they just fell off. And they they either didn't get the results or they got intimidated. Some of them Yeah. Some of them definitely have, had mixed thoughts about, you know, the political landscape on Noster,

51:53Open Mike and that's just, you know, that's just an unfortunate side effect of of what what's gone on in the world and and how the artist community generally, trends in that direction. Yeah. So Yeah. When you don't know the difference between Bitcoin and Trump coin,

52:14Open Mike it all looks the same. And and so this community that Phantom Powers put together is it's just getting started. They launched it over the summer, but it's a fantastic idea to give that little buffer of protection and safety to let people step on their toes and not have to get just murdered in the plain sight Right. Of the Internet and say the wrong thing. Yeah. We need we need more places

52:40Rod Palmer that it's just it's, it's public that you don't have to pass any purity tests to have a conversation here or to collaborate here, to learn here, to talk here. You don't need to pass any purity tests, to bewomp. And I think that is more important than ever. It's fine if you want to have echo chambers. It's fine if you want

53:03Rod Palmer to just see your timeline just completely full of ghost of Dick Boettman saying, you know, every single ticker on, the top 100 is a scam, is a shitcoin. We did it. We get it. Some people like that. But if you wanna go someplace where you're not gonna you're not gonna get kicked out for accidentally posting about Monero,

53:25Richard Greaser like, boom, come here. Yeah. That makes sense. It it it's kinda like, it's kinda like training wheels. You know what I mean? Like, you like, when you're teaching a kid how to ride a bike, a lot of times you don't just, unless you're like my dad, you know,

53:42Richard Greaser slap you on the bike and just push you down the steepest hill possible and be, like, call you a pussy when you fall over. A lot of people, like, benefit from from learning, not getting thrown into the fire initially. It makes sense. Yeah. There I I don't know. Like, should should Matthew crater

54:03Richard Greaser Crater do a $750 course, like, teaching people about all the purity tests and the intricacies of of Bitcoin culture, and we should accept expect these artists to go through the course first? Or

54:16Open Mike We'd ensure that we'd have based musicians. Or maybe a musician.

54:23Rod Palmer Yeah, you shouldn't have to take like an SAT course to prepare for all the purity tests you're gonna have to pass your first day on a new social media app that you were hoping you would just be like, Hey, like, I'm gonna make new friends here. I'm gonna find new fans. And immediately you're subject to this bar exam before you're allowed into the community. Then we need to get rid of that, but the people who come to these groups also have to remember that what this means is it's it's similar like if you do stand up comedy.

54:54Rod Palmer Like, if you go to an open mic, you're gonna have to listen to somebody who might not be that articulate or that funny to their best Israel Gaza jokes, and they're gonna be really fucking it it's just gonna be you're gonna be shaking your head, but that's the risk you take. It's gonna be there. All that's gonna potentially be there, but, everybody can still laugh at laugh at a good joke.

55:20Richard Greaser I I really like the idea of Bitcoin standardized testing. So, like, we have a new person coming to the community. We issued them, like, an LSAT or an SAT. They have their score. It determines how much we should boost them on the Oster or, you know, the podcast appearances that they have. It it's how many if we should follow them or not, like, if you're below, like, a certain score, you're, like, a bad Bitcoiner,

55:46Rod Palmer you have the ability to A corner credit score. Yeah.

55:49Richard Greaser Yeah. Bitcoin or credit score. Yeah. I like that a lot.

55:53Rod Palmer Like a influencer credit score. You had it's like you're if you're a Bitcoin influencer, this is your kinda like credit score. Are you a scammer? Like, do you have to bring it up or do you got, like, a pristine got pristine collateral for reputation?

56:07Richard Greaser I mean, it it make a lot of sense for these these Bitcoin treasury companies. Like, you know, like, do do you see that Preston Pich just got hired by one? So all the podcasters are getting gobbled run out of podcasters eventually,

56:23Richard Greaser and they're gonna have to start going to musical artists at some point. And, it makes sense. Like, you have to achieve a certain core or or certain score to, like, get a sponsorship from Coldcard or, like, to, go on what Bitcoin did or or to, you know, sit on the board of MicroStrategy or whatever, get an advisory, role at Sequins or

56:50Richard Greaser is that am I saying the right sequins or sequins?

56:54Rod Palmer Sequins like sequin, Barclay for the Philadelphia Eagles. Yeah.

56:59Richard Greaser To speak to speak at Bitcoin magazine's conference. Okay. I I just think this makes a whole lot of sense. I think I think Plenator would agree with us on this. Yeah.

57:10Rod Palmer He that's that he would love that. In fact, he would probably run-in, like, he would start it, like, your get it on Umbrel, but he doesn't like Umbrel. So, like, a home server. So you run your own influencer credit score. It's like a notes. It's like, you know, that this credit score is not, made up.

57:28Richard Greaser Like start nine server. Yeah. I'm sure start nine would be down with that. That makes sense. Alrighty. Well, one of the things that we do, Mike, is, at the end of every show is we go through all the boost. Did you listen to our last show? We we interviewed Crypto Mags.

57:51Open Mike I don't think I've gotten to that one yet.

57:53Richard Greaser Well, we won't give you a hard time. We know you're a regular listener. Yeah. So we interviewed Crypto Mags. She is the Canadian queen of, paper Bitcoin.

58:04Rod Palmer It was a good time. Shout out to Crypto Mag. She's hot.

58:07Richard Greaser She's gonna start a podcast soon.

58:11Rod Palmer Hop one podcast. I'm down.

58:14Richard Greaser Yeah. We need more hot bonds doing podcasts for sure. Her and I her and I been, talking, about podcast. I mean, there's, you you know, there's, like, somebody that's been doing this for a while, forget how much of a learning curve there is with this stuff. Like, podcasting's hard work. There's a lot of people that that drop off.

58:37Richard Greaser There's a lot of people that choose not to not to do it. You know, listening to podcasts is hard work, but producing them is also hard work. Yeah. Anyways, first boost, 1,000 sats. You'll know this guy, Pies. He says, one of the highlights of my life is being referred to as a thirst trap by the Bugle Boys,

59:01Richard Greaser LFG with four exclamation points, strong-arm, strong-arm, strong-arm, mushroom, mushroom, mushroom, salute, salute. You you probably know Pies pretty well. Yeah. Legend. He's everywhere. Do you think he's a thirst trap?

59:19Open Mike He's he's definitely he's gotta be eighty hours per week, don't you say?

59:24Rod Palmer I think I well, I think, we just we need to get Pies listening to, some of this music. He's listening to a lot of podcasts, but he's also constantly, like, every couple episodes, he'll be like, I I'm just his ears are bleeding either from, you know, construction work, or listening to too many podcasts, but it's like, he's like, he's gonna take time away. I think he should start listening to some of this music because if he be dire started getting into this, the Pies would be blasphemous on the boom box at the construction site. You could hear it all throughout the neighborhood. Is, everybody's too afraid of him to tell him to turn down the volume. Like, nobody's if you think that you're gonna go up to Pies if you saw him in public and ask him to turn down the volume on his boom box or in his headphones, yeah, I you probably wouldn't do it.

1:00:09Rod Palmer And dude, he'll be hitting them with, forty hours per week, teams for TRL and like, all there are no, I sort of, dude, Pies might be, we gotta get Pies listening to this music. Who should Pies, who should Pies check out? Do you think? Did you think he might like?

1:00:25Richard Greaser Yeah. What what type of music do you think Pies listens to? Is he a hip hop guy? I was I was thinking Beastie Boys in my head. I think try try Doomtree and Lazerbeak.

1:00:38Open Mike Doomtree is a legendary independent hip hop collective in Minneapolis. They uploaded their album from about fifteen years ago or twelve years ago onto Wave Lake. And I tell you,

1:00:53Open Mike if if v for v was around when that album came out, I'd be a broke son of a bitch. I listen to that so much. And, I love those guys. And Lazerbeak is the is one of the artists in that group. So his his music is his solo career from Doomtree. I think I was listening to they have very clever lyrics. Yeah. Right? They're great. I mean, if we put a show on sale for Doomtree

1:01:19Open Mike right now, they'd probably sell 10,000 tickets and just Minneapolis would go nuts. So they're they're phenomenal.

1:01:27Richard Greaser Yeah. Speak speaking of Minneapolis, what a crazy city. They're they're calling it Little Mogadishu now. Right?

1:01:39Open Mike Because of all the immigrants? Yeah. Yeah. That we have the largest Somali and Hmong communities outside of their homeland. Yeah.

1:01:50Richard Greaser So

1:01:51Rod Palmer is anybody orange filling them? Gotta get Dennis Porter on the job. Right? But you need to get Dennis Diaz. Exactly.

1:01:59Open Mike I've not seen him in Minneapolis anytime recently.

1:02:02Richard Greaser Well, if you're gonna orange pill the Somalis, you're about to get a Minneapolis is about to get a Somali mayor. So that's a reason for Dennis Porter to go out there because he he likes the orange pill Interesting.

1:02:12Open Mike There we go.

1:02:14Richard Greaser So is it Minnesota that is the land of lakes? Yep. Is that one of the 10,000 lakes. So has there been any concerns about all these smallies moving out there, becoming pirates on these lakes?

1:02:29Open Mike I have not I have not heard of this concern yet, but I now I'm you know, it's an election season here. I'm gonna go have to go have to kick the kick the tires here and see if this is on any of the dockets for discussion this November.

1:02:44Rod Palmer Yep. And it's good to remind you, all those lakes, Minnesota is an underrated place to go for a boating accident.

1:02:51Open Mike Yes. There are lots of them. This we have a strong Bitcoin community of people who've lost their Bitcoin.

1:02:59Richard Greaser Well, I mean, you know, it's kind of a risky situation. You know? Like, you you go out to the lake, you're planning on having a boating accident, and you accidentally run into Somalis who end up pirating your Bitcoin. So it just doesn't go You want your keys to be at the bottom of the lake, but they end up in the hands of a Somali

1:03:20Richard Greaser pirate. It's a dangerous situation.

1:03:23Rod Palmer That I for most people, if you think about it, you do not think that, an hour outside of Duluth, Minnesota is a likely place to run into Somali pirates. So you're just not gonna be prepared for it. And if you don't know, so it, it, that just know the rest. I've been enjoying the, I am the captain memes

1:03:44Richard Greaser about the future mayor. I don't really have anything against him for being Somalia. It's just he he's communist. You know? They're they're the worst.

1:03:53Rod Palmer The next, yeah. A bite. So, Pies. You gotta get into Teenswear. You gotta start listening to this music because I think you're gonna be into it. The next one is from Turkey. 500 sats. Turkey did not have, a message. Thank you, Turkey.

1:04:12Rod Palmer The next one, Bitcoin account, 212 zats. Bugle makes going to the laundromat an enjoyable forty hour per week day. And yes,

1:04:24Rod Palmer absolutely, sitting in traffic, waiting for your wife to try on clothes at the mall, going to the laundromat, All those are great opportunities to listen to more Bitcoin podcasts.

1:04:41Richard Greaser When's the last time that you went to a laundromat, Mike? Buying no KYC Bitcoin during COVID. Really? Yeah. The The guy wanted to meet at a laundromat? There's,

1:04:51Open Mike there was one of the last this has all subsequently been lost in boating accidents with Smalley pirates involved. But the, laundromat in town, there's one left that didn't have KYC requirements for an ATM. And so I just drive there,

1:05:09Open Mike you know, during the during the mask era, and you just roll up and and, get your get your KYC free Bitcoin and call it a day. So I did that for a while until they took it away.

1:05:25Richard Greaser What what's the point of a a Bitcoin ATM if it has KYC? Because, like, Bitcoin ATMs, they're known for having horrendous exchange rates. Yeah. No. It's it's not a good economical decision.

1:05:36Open Mike It's you gotta price place a premium on that Bitcoin and take take good care of it. But if you're if you're scanning your driver's license and taking a selfie, there's I can't even remember what the premium is, like, 20%. It's it's stupid.

1:05:52Richard Greaser Well, they'll they'll have a premium on the price, but then they'll also charge some outrageous fee on top of that. Yeah. It's like StubHub. They get you on both sides. So who who do you think or, like, the types of customers that are using those services now? You it's just obviously, people that don't listen to, Bitcoin podcasts, they don't hear Marty tell them that River is the best place to buy Bitcoin or, you know, whichever exchange or sponsor in it.

1:06:18Open Mike I have no clue, but probably, I don't know. Maybe the ETH bros are buying their ETC on there or something.

1:06:28Richard Greaser Oh,

1:06:29Open Mike interesting. They got all kinds of shit coins on there.

1:06:32Richard Greaser You buy Monero. That's the question. No no exchanges have Monero. So maybe the Bitcoin ATMs have the Well,

1:06:39Rod Palmer right now they're getting 51% of tax. So you mind boost somebody with Monero and then comes to find out it's got reorged, and they didn't get, they didn't get their pay anyway. Yeah. I think,

1:06:53Richard Greaser I don't know what's going on over there. I I need to look into it more. I saw Peter Todd tweeting about it.

1:07:00Rod Palmer It's pretty interesting.

1:07:02Richard Greaser We we need Monero bid access to defend the network. I think they I think they call them laptops, but I'm not sure about that. You can probably use your cell phone too. Nostra King, 101 sets, a shout out to Clara and Fitz Tallow for sunning your tits. Yeah.

1:07:27Richard Greaser Crypto Mags was shelling Claire and Fitz Tallow. Who who's your favorite tallow person? So there's a there's a few. So there's Claire and Fitz. I'd never heard of them. There's, Kit Sats. She's got golden tallow. Steak and Shake has tallow. Steak and Shake's my favorite tallow. That's what I use on my face is Steak and Shake tallow. That's the only one that I'm familiar with. I'm a big fan of Steak and Shake.

1:07:54Richard Greaser No complaints from Open Mike. What do you think's better, Steak and Shake or Waffle House?

1:07:60Open Mike It's gotta be Steak and Shake.

1:08:02Richard Greaser The problem with Steak and Shake is they close. They're not twenty four hours. That's true. Oh. So on the last episode, the Bigel Week, Ron and I did, we were do we're debating on which, you know, when when Bitcoin fixes everything, all the restaurants are gonna let you smoke cigarettes inside again. Wait. What do you think the first restaurant to allow people to smoke inside is gonna be?

1:08:25Open Mike I I said Waffle House. That's a that's a pretty strong lead. Denny's gotta be up there. You think Denny's? Yeah.

1:08:35Richard Greaser We we discussed Denny's. Denny's was, part of the I don't think it's Denny's. Yeah. But I I mean, there there's a lot of pressure on Denny's. They they're they claim to be America's diner. Mhmm. And to to retain that title, I I think they they really have to let people smoke inside again.

1:08:56Open Mike It's like They're in the running.

1:08:58Richard Greaser My hope for Dennis Porter is that once he's, orange pilled every single politician, that he's gonna start teaching people about cigarettes. But

1:09:06Rod Palmer You know, I've heard some I heard some people talk about our last episode, and we had this discussion, and they said that in their mind, the citadels, the McDonald's will have the big ball pit that you'll be in. The parents will be able to sit inside, watch their kids play in the McDonald's ball pit, smoke cigarettes inside.

1:09:27Rod Palmer So I I switch mine from one John Silver's to McDonald's. I think people are gonna have that nostalgia. I hope so.

1:09:35Richard Greaser McDonald's has really gone downhill. They I've been trying to reach people at McDonald's for years now to figure out where the dollar menu went, and they will not respond to me. I don't know what their deal is. They just rug pulled the entire world. I don't know if they're, like, waiting to bring back the USDT menu or something or or what the deal is here. But

1:09:58Rod Palmer We need the orange pill, Ronald McDonald, I guess. I mean, McDonald's adopting Bitcoin. If you could pay, maybe that could bring back the dollar menu is, USDT over Tether. You could pay at McDonald's. But, yeah, we eat the orange peel raw McDonald's, I think. And and the those the new

1:10:19Rod Palmer bill the new McDonald's, they're just like the most they're like distill they're like communist restaurant. Like, there's no character. There's no culture. There's no Bitcoin podcast, you know, pictures on the wall. It's just sterile. And I think that I think that's awful.

1:10:34Richard Greaser No Madrax art. Yeah. Right.

1:10:38Rod Palmer So, yeah. I thought that was interesting. And Nostra Gang, you know, fits she she shots out Clara and Fitz Tallo again for sunning your tits. And they're just, one of the guys at late Satoshi, actually a couple guys, they were talking about if Bitcoin hits $2.50 ks, they were gonna maybe buy their wife new fake tits. But the tie in was that they were thinking about using Tallow instead of silicone for their wife's fake tits for $2.50 ks. And I just thought that was interesting. People are using tallow now.

1:11:09Richard Greaser I think that's a bad purchase. I'm personally a small tit guy,

1:11:14Rod Palmer but that's just me. Yeah, some guys like big UTXOs, some guys like small UTXOs. You know, it's just everybody's got their primary. That's you can express yourself however you want. But if you are a big group guy, look into Talo instead of, instead of silicone, a pair of leaf that's out there.

1:11:32Richard Greaser I think a much better buy is remodeling your kitchen than fake tits. I don't know. I feel like your wife will wanna have sex with you more with remodeling your kitchen.

1:11:46Rod Palmer I think remodeling your kitchen, say, new new fake tits. I think we're saying the same thing, buddy. Just different ways.

1:11:53Richard Greaser The the remodeled kitchen, though, will probably help her cook better. So that's, I don't I don't know how fake tits can make sex better. I I just feel like they'll they'll get in the way and they'll feel weird, but I I don't have any experience with fake tits, so I don't know. I I don't know. I'm not gonna have experience, but What's the what's the official Toonster

1:12:16Rod Palmer position on fake tits?

1:12:19Open Mike All are welcome here. All tits matter.

1:12:22Richard Greaser Wow.

1:12:23Rod Palmer At Toonster,

1:12:25Richard Greaser all tits matter. That's a that's a that's a pretty safe, perspective. You can't go wrong with all tits matter. Like, almost everybody can universally agree on that, except for me. I like small Even man even man boobs. Even man boobs. Some of you've got them.

1:12:42Rod Palmer The next one pies again, a 100 zaps. My ADHD led me down the path of criminal underworld, but it also became my super bowl or my superpower when I changed my ways and helped me go down the Bitcoin rabbit hole. Yeah. Pies is is not shy about his his transfer his Bitcoin transformation.

1:13:08Rod Palmer If it can fix Pies, it can fix anyone. And some of you, you know, need to realize that. But hell, yeah. Thank you, Pryce.

1:13:21Richard Greaser Last boost. BTC on board. There he is. Thumbs up. Thumbs up. Thumbs up. Thank you, BCC on board. Mike, really appreciate you coming on the show. You got anything you wanna shout out before we, wrap this? Obviously, everybody should, that can should come to that event tomorrow night.

1:13:43Open Mike Yeah. Thanks for having me. This has been great. Love the bugle. Love what you guys are up to, and, keep the keep the zaps going. You know, we really gotta make sure, content creators like yourselves are getting getting the love. We need the success stories to share with other artists to get them on board. So

1:14:04Richard Greaser We're changing we're changing the world. We're changing the way that the content marketplace ecosystem works. Mhmm. When you guys boost us, it shows everybody else that there's something happening here. If you're if you're tired of listening to podcasters, she'll BlockFi

1:14:27Richard Greaser and she'll KYC exchanges. You you have a way to change the world. Is this better than running a bid ax in my opinion?

1:14:39Rod Palmer Before you go, so yeah. Tunester. If you're listening right now and you're you you're not you didn't you never knew about Teamster before and you're interested. Where do you go? What can you do at Teamster? Like, what's is there a video, some content that's,

1:14:57Rod Palmer the product, like, is doing well right now that you'd say, go check this out. And how do I how do I do that? How do I get there? Yeah. So Toonster is a fork of zap.stream.

1:15:07Open Mike So if you have a Nostra ID, Nostra n pub, key pair, you can you can log in and and launch a stream. Now if if you're not doing music, you you need to reach out to me. We have a a white list, you know, for the for the musicians

1:15:27Open Mike to ensure that the community is just all music focused. But, hit me up with a DM. Love to hear hear what you're up to as a as an artist or a performer, entertainer. And, then we, you know, teach you how to how to onboard, and

1:15:44Open Mike and, you can you're free to just launch your streams and do whatever you want with the product. And do you help them? Source. It's all open source on GitHub. Yeah. We can make more use of it. If they and if they're new

1:15:58Rod Palmer and they're doing their first stream, like, how should they do you help, like, to this is, like, how does somebody, like, hey. Somebody a new, a new artist just, is is now streaming on Teamster. Like, go check it out. And so when they're you know, so if somebody sums and checks it out and sees that they like it.

1:16:18Open Mike Yep. Then then we're here to help and here to promote and, you know, work on that discoverability, getting the word out. I'm currently zapping Ainsley Costello.

1:16:31Richard Greaser So best place to DM you is on Oster. Mhmm. How how the hell did you almost get 25,000 subscriber or followers? You're you're twenty four seven six six. How'd you pull that off? I have no idea.

1:16:43Open Mike I just I just do me.

1:16:46Richard Greaser Just grinding away. Well, there you go, folks. This is the conclusion of the interview with the most important person in the value for value music ecosystem. Thank you all for tuning in, and we'll catch you on the next episode of the Bugles Behind the Podcast.

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