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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-6">0:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-6" data-t="6">Metal music has a rich history. It was discovered by the Beatles when they released their groundbreaking song Helter Skelter in 1968.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-15" data-t="15">This gave birth to many legendary bands such as Black Sabbath, Slayer, Metallica, and Slipknot.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-22" data-t="22">Metal has radically disrupted the world of music</span> <span class="cue" id="t-25" data-t="25">and the peace of mind of suburban mothers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-27" data-t="27">struggling to understand why their teenage sons are listening to guttural screaming, double bass drums</span> <span class="cue" id="t-34" data-t="34">and soaring guitar riffs</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-36">0:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-36" data-t="36">instead of James Taylor or Josh Groban.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-39" data-t="39">Experts estimate the average global IQ has been lowered a few points due to brain damage from individuals head banging at concerts</span> <span class="cue" id="t-46" data-t="46">and getting elbowed in the face in mosh pits.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-49" data-t="49">Despite that, metal music has defined multiple generations,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-53" data-t="53">acting as an escape for individuals who feel trapped in the mediocrity,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-57" data-t="57">which is fiat society.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-59">0:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-59" data-t="59">It harnesses the carnal rage of those struggling to pay taxes,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-63" data-t="63">helps individuals focus during school and work, and terrifies soccer moms who just want their children to listen to something a little less angry.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-73" data-t="73">But metal music is more than anger.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-76" data-t="76">It is something that speaks deep into the human soul.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-79" data-t="79">It is the music of the marginalized, the downcast, the outcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-83" data-t="83">It is the sacred music of the ungovernable and non compliant.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-88">1:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-88" data-t="88">There have been many metal bands throughout history,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-90" data-t="90">but in the year 2025,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-92" data-t="92">there is one that stands above the rest.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-95" data-t="95">Combining progressive metal,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-97" data-t="97">complex choir arrangements, and influences from classical music,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-101" data-t="101">Scardust has taken the world by storm.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-104">1:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-104" data-t="104">Critics and people with brains have been raving about the sensational band.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-109" data-t="109">Rolling Stone magazine described lead singer Noah Gruman as the Taylor Swift of modern metal music.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-115" data-t="115">Now they have released the hit new single RIP</span> <span class="cue" id="t-118" data-t="118">with a groundbreaking</span> <span class="cue" id="t-119" data-t="119">music video</span> <span class="cue" id="t-121" data-t="121">featuring Bitcoin themes,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-122">2:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-122" data-t="122">honoring Bitcoin's creator,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-124" data-t="124">Peter Todd.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-126" data-t="126">Critics describe the music video as the intersection between the musical genius of Ludwig van Beethoven</span> <span class="cue" id="t-132" data-t="132">with the visual genius of Steven Spielberg.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-135" data-t="135">Now they have chosen the Bugle's groundbreaking show</span> <span class="cue" id="t-138" data-t="138">behind the music as their debut Bitcoin podcast to discuss their latest release.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-143">2:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-143" data-t="143">Get ready to dive deep as the world's greatest journalists interview some of the brains behind the success of the world's greatest metal band.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-214">3:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-214" data-t="214">Welcome to this edition</span> <span class="cue" id="t-216" data-t="216">of Behind the Music. The debut episode of Behind the Music. Today, I have joining me two</span> <span class="cue" id="t-223" data-t="223">very wonderful people. I've got metal star and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-227" data-t="227">a video genius</span> <span class="cue" id="t-229" data-t="229">who does all the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-231" data-t="231">incredible</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-232">3:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-232" data-t="232">video work for the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-235" data-t="235">I I would say</span> <span class="cue" id="t-237" data-t="237">the premier</span> <span class="cue" id="t-239" data-t="239">metal band</span> <span class="cue" id="t-240" data-t="240">of today, Scardust.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-242" data-t="242">Noah, how are you guys doing? Hello. Hello, GM.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-246">4:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-246" data-t="246">Happy to be here.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-248" data-t="248">How are you?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-250">4:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-250" data-t="250">Oh, I'm doing well. I've smoked, I think. It's morning here in The United States. I've I've already smoked about a pack and a half of cigarettes. Got another pack and a half to go for the rest of the day. But, no, I've just been sitting here jamming to Scardust. It's it's it's it's rough because,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-267" data-t="267">you know, I I have to listen to forty hours of Bitcoin podcasts a week.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-271" data-t="271">And I've been distracted</span> <span class="cue" id="t-273" data-t="273">because I can't help but listening to forty hours of Stardust a week as well. So it's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-280" data-t="280">I feel I feel like my workload has increased</span> <span class="cue" id="t-284" data-t="284">dramatically</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-285">4:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-285" data-t="285">over the last couple weeks. Oh, wow.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-288">4:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-288" data-t="288">That's the worst thing Scardust has ever done to somebody. We're in their forty ashamed. Well, the So, yeah, I</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-294">4:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-294" data-t="294">doing their forty hours. Yeah. So so you're saying Scardust listens to forty hours of Bitcoin's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-301" data-t="301">podcast a week?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-302">5:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-302" data-t="302">Yeah. I mean, what what could be more important? I think I mean, as a musician, you know, I work in music. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-309" data-t="309">when I don't listen to music, what other things</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-313">5:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-313" data-t="313">are there, really? There's only forty hours left to do.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-317" data-t="317">And in the car, I don't break from rehearsals.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-322" data-t="322">You have to get in your forty hours. It's really tough. I I can see why you are struggling with the SCARDIST and forty hours.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-328">5:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-328" data-t="328">It's a tough one. Yeah. I mean, there there's all these, like, tactics you can use to, you know, cram the both in. So I do a lot of writing, and it's kinda distracting to listen to Bitcoin podcasts</span> <span class="cue" id="t-340" data-t="340">as I write. You know what I mean? So that's like one of the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-345" data-t="345">great opportunities to listen to listen to Scardust. I feel like it just amplifies my writing skills quite a bit.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-352" data-t="352">I've always found that to be the case with metal. For me, metal music is very similar to classical music as far as like the strong the song structures. It gets me in the in the zone. It it feels like it increases</span> <span class="cue" id="t-365" data-t="365">my creativity</span> <span class="cue" id="t-366" data-t="366">quite a bit whereas other other types of music don't as much.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-370">6:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-370" data-t="370">But yeah, so starting off the interview, I wanna talk about your song rip that just came out. It's a very good song.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-379" data-t="379">I played it in the intro. There is a music video that goes along with it that features</span> <span class="cue" id="t-385" data-t="385">a lot of Bitcoin themes and and it's credited to Satoshi Nakamoto to Peter Todd.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-391">6:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-391" data-t="391">Yeah. He did everything on that video. Yeah. I mean, that's super cool.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-395">6:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-395" data-t="395">Yeah. I think there's there's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-398" data-t="398">two segments or two parts to go off of this. So there's the the song itself that I like to hear a little bit about the inspiration</span> <span class="cue" id="t-405" data-t="405">of and then the music video as well. What what led Skardos to want to make a music video</span> <span class="cue" id="t-412" data-t="412">about Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-414" data-t="414">in the first place?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-415">6:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-415" data-t="415">I did. Okay.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-417" data-t="417">The song</span> <span class="cue" id="t-419" data-t="419">is about separating with somebody for their own sake and people can relate to it and on many levels. It could be a romantic story. It could be about some someone who died</span> <span class="cue" id="t-430" data-t="430">or friend,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-432" data-t="432">any basically any relationship that is, you know, breaking off</span> <span class="cue" id="t-436" data-t="436">for the other person's</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-438">7:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-438" data-t="438">sake. We were brainstorming</span> <span class="cue" id="t-440" data-t="440">ideas</span> <span class="cue" id="t-441" data-t="441">for what kind of music video would fit this concept,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-446" data-t="446">and we didn't want to go with the obvious and the or the cliche.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-450" data-t="450">Yeah. Their relationship cliche. It's just And and then Lahore had this epiphany.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-455">7:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-455" data-t="455">One of one of my rules for for making, music videos is not to do a literal,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-461" data-t="461">anything literal.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-463" data-t="463">So relationships is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-466" data-t="466">off the table, and I wouldn't do something</span> <span class="cue" id="t-468" data-t="468">cliche kitchen</span> <span class="cue" id="t-470" data-t="470">literal. And, it took it took at least two weeks of of brainstorm to just have it, you know, just click.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-477">7:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-477" data-t="477">This is about Satoshi leaving.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-480" data-t="480">He was with us for, like, two years. No. Four years ish. Three and something. But then he had to leave, and he did the most heartbreaking thing I could imagine anybody could ever do</span> <span class="cue" id="t-491" data-t="491">for the sake of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-494" data-t="494">us having Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-496" data-t="496">real Bitcoin, not some</span> <span class="cue" id="t-498" data-t="498">stupid thing that can be changed.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-501">8:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-501" data-t="501">And by him leaving and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-503" data-t="503">in my opinion, destroying himself,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-506" data-t="506">basically,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-507" data-t="507">which is all the death metaphors in the song, the persona of Satoshi, I mean, Peter. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-514" data-t="514">Nick, I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-517" data-t="517">never mind. It's killing off your own persona with all the credit involved and probably</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-523">8:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-523" data-t="523">all of your keys</span> <span class="cue" id="t-525" data-t="525">drilling into your hard drives and continuing on in life without anybody knowing so</span> <span class="cue" id="t-531" data-t="531">fits. And if you read the lyrics for the song, it's hard to listen to because to hear them when you when you're not in front of the lyrics because of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-538" data-t="538">her growling,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-539">8:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-539" data-t="539">their amazing growls. I thought you you were saying that it's it's hard to listen to it while listening to forty hours. Oh, that's also very difficult. But</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-549">9:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-549" data-t="549">but if you sit down with the lyrics and listen to the song, you can actually</span> <span class="cue" id="t-554" data-t="554">see it's about Satoshi. They didn't even realize.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-558" data-t="558">And then it came to me. So, yeah, we did</span> <span class="cue" id="t-561" data-t="561">our own depiction of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-564" data-t="564">a cool locksmith hacker,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-567" data-t="567">painter, artist,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-569">9:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-569" data-t="569">metal</span> <span class="cue" id="t-570" data-t="570">Satoshi Nakamoto</span> <span class="cue" id="t-573" data-t="573">having to leave. And we used real historic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-577" data-t="577">communications</span> <span class="cue" id="t-578" data-t="578">and a lot of Bitcoin Easter eggs in this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-581" data-t="581">very high budget music video.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-584">9:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-584" data-t="584">Let's see if you can spot all of them. We can talk about them as well. And</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-589">9:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-589" data-t="589">I hope more Bitcoiners</span> <span class="cue" id="t-592" data-t="592">notice this and</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-594">9:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-594" data-t="594">dig into it. I do think it's pretty incredible.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-597" data-t="597">You know, Satoshi</span> <span class="cue" id="t-601" data-t="601">gave away I mean, think about how many Bitcoin podcasts Satoshi could have gone on.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-606">10:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-606" data-t="606">How many conferences? Exactly. I knew. Wow.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-609" data-t="609">Mhmm. So many hours. And it's a million hours.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-612" data-t="612">Way more than 40 per week. A million a million hours probably</span> <span class="cue" id="t-617" data-t="617">by by now. We just drilled into it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-621" data-t="621">Although, maybe he has done some</span> <span class="cue" id="t-624" data-t="624">podcasts, and we just don't know about it, which is why we should give forty hours per week listening to podcasts because you you never know, baby. You're listening to Satoshi. That is a good point.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-634">10:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-634" data-t="634">So, yeah, I'm I got the music video pulled up. So it starts out with,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-640" data-t="640">man sitting in a in a dark room with some computers in the background. It's got the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-647" data-t="647">Yeah. The Times article. Chancellor on the brink of the second bailout of banks.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-653">10:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-653" data-t="653">The real real copy of the real copy of the paper, by the way. One of them, one of the eight. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-659" data-t="659">maybe. Not really.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-661" data-t="661">The real one maybe drowned in a boating accident.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-664" data-t="664">But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-666" data-t="666">yes, we have some real real stuff there on that video. I mean, we had to give it back, but Satoshi lent us some stuff. You know? He even painted his own painting of Michael Sailor. Everybody knows Satoshi invented Michael Sailor.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-679" data-t="679">We had an actual painting Satoshi painted of Michael Sailor doing there is no second best acid</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-684">11:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-684" data-t="684">meme, you know.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-686" data-t="686">And he donated</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-688">11:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-688" data-t="688">it to the video. We gave it back. Yeah. I'm trying to go through and and look for the Easter eggs. There's a lot of quick cut scenes.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-695">11:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-695" data-t="695">Mhmm. It's very so it's a metal. Let me see. Computers themselves</span> <span class="cue" id="t-699" data-t="699">I mean, everything is supposed to be historical historically accurate. I mean, apart from maybe the Bitcoin magazines we have on his table, but, the computers themselves are from 2011.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-710" data-t="710">The hardware, everything. He has a mini disc on his table. He listens to met to his metal on mini disc.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-716">11:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-716" data-t="716">Everybody knows Satoshi used to listen to metal on mini disc. I mean, I think Satoshi would have to listen to metal to be inspired enough to create something like Bitcoin. I think there's only</span> <span class="cue" id="t-727" data-t="727">For sure. What type of metal bands do you think Satoshi listened to primarily? You guys weren't around. I think you started in 2015,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-735" data-t="735">correct? So you weren't around</span> <span class="cue" id="t-737" data-t="737">quite at that</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-739">12:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-739" data-t="739">point.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-739">12:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" data-t="739">Probably Prague</span> <span class="cue" id="t-741" data-t="741">Dream Theater.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-743" data-t="743">Right?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-744">12:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-744" data-t="744">Math metal. That's Satoshi with metal. It's hard to tell. Probably, Scardust. I mean, everybody knows he used to listen to Scardust.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-751" data-t="751">Even before I</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-754">12:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-754" data-t="754">mean,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-755">12:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-755" data-t="755">he painted our album covers. It's like Oh, yeah. He did paint them in the video.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-760">12:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-760" data-t="760">Mhmm. In the video, he painted all our album covers.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-764">12:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-764" data-t="764">Yeah. And then there as Easter eggs as well. Everybody knows Satoshi was an artist. I mean, there's no debate about that. He also knew how to pick clocks.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-773" data-t="773">Did it for fun.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-775">12:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-775" data-t="775">How do you know that?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-776">12:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-776" data-t="776">You can see it in the video. It's just his hobby. So one of the Easter eggs you have here is,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-783">13:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-783" data-t="783">was this Bitcoin talk or was this an email where he's writing, it would be nice to get this attention</span> <span class="cue" id="t-789" data-t="789">and any other.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-791">13:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-791" data-t="791">That's probably, in my opinion, the post he did</span> <span class="cue" id="t-795" data-t="795">on Bitcoin Talk. And because of this post, I mean, this was his way of saying I need to to get out of here. Mhmm. And WikiLeaks has kicked the hornet's nest. The swarm is headed towards her is is when, Assange started getting, Bitcoin when they closed all his bank accounts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-812" data-t="812">And that gave the first</span> <span class="cue" id="t-815" data-t="815">headlines about Bitcoin, and I think that's when Satoshi decided he needs to f off. And then he started his last communications everywhere. And then in my opinion, that's how I see it. Yeah. That's a really important part of Bitcoin history.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-828">13:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-828" data-t="828">You know, I I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-829" data-t="829">consider myself, you know, a peer of Julian Assange. I've got a lot of respect. Is that John Galt journalism,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-836" data-t="836">not quite at his level yet, but I hope to be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-840" data-t="840">some point in the future. But he really was a pioneer when it came to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-845" data-t="845">giving Bitcoin a use case of, of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-849" data-t="849">showing that. Mhmm.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-853">14:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-853" data-t="853">Very non compliant journalism.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-855" data-t="855">That's one of the reasons why I have a lot of respect for Assange.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-859" data-t="859">These Easter eggs are difficult because they're so quick. I just skipped over it twice. I actually forgot or didn't have time</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-867">14:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-867" data-t="867">while we were filming to put in the Silk Road Easter egg. There was one ready, but we just didn't have time. It was a crazy day. We had 20 people on set.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-875" data-t="875">We had</span> <span class="cue" id="t-876" data-t="876">two hour</span> <span class="cue" id="t-878" data-t="878">delay,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-879">14:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-879" data-t="879">huge crew. So that was neglected, sadly. But yeah. You have the the the next Easter egg that I see, and I might be skipping over some. But, the next one I see about forty four seconds in is BitcoinTalk,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-891" data-t="891">where it's talking about Gavin</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-893">14:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-893" data-t="893">visiting the, CIA. Underneath that post, by the way, is the first comment on Bitcoin Talk for that Satoshi post</span> <span class="cue" id="t-901" data-t="901">is, Manny Rosenfeld. He's also</span> <span class="cue" id="t-904" data-t="904">for a split second, you can see his name on the screen. He's actually there. We know this guy. He's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-909" data-t="909">pioneer in Israel. He was there in Bitcoin from the beginning.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-913" data-t="913">He is not Satoshi, he would say, but he's a really, really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-917" data-t="917">good person. He</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-920">15:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-920" data-t="920">has the IBA, the Israeli Bitcoin Association.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-923" data-t="923">He</span> <span class="cue" id="t-924" data-t="924">has actually sped stepped down from public work after</span> <span class="cue" id="t-928" data-t="928">ten or twelve years of being the Bitcoin face here. But he was the first one to respond to that. And, yes, and Satoshi</span> <span class="cue" id="t-937" data-t="937">posted that on Bitcoin Talk,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-939" data-t="939">and I believe he already knew.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-942">15:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-942" data-t="942">I mean, I mean, Gavin posted that on Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-945" data-t="945">talk. I'm sorry. I believe Satoshi already knew that Gavin was gonna do that. That's what I meant. Right? It's it's Gavin's post.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-953" data-t="953">So I think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-955" data-t="955">Satoshi already knew</span> <span class="cue" id="t-957" data-t="957">before Gavin posted that, and that's why he was in a hurry. Because Gavin posted that, if I'm not mistaken, after Satoshi has already disappeared</span> <span class="cue" id="t-966" data-t="966">Mhmm. Or right</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-968">16:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-968" data-t="968">around that time.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-969" data-t="969">So they probably talked about it between them. I mean, it's a speculation, but that's what I'm going</span> <span class="cue" id="t-975" data-t="975">with in the video. I mean, that's the story we're telling.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-981" data-t="981">Yeah. I mixed them up. I'm not in front of it. Yeah. I What else?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-986">16:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-986" data-t="986">It's an interesting post to include in the music video. You know, one one of the challenges</span> <span class="cue" id="t-992" data-t="992">that the Beagle has been combating</span> <span class="cue" id="t-995" data-t="995">is that the media is very controlled by the CIA, and we've been trying to push back against that as much as possible. And it's it is interesting to see the conflict in Bitcoin's history is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1007" data-t="1007">this post was probably one of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1011" data-t="1011">the things that spooked the spooked</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1014" data-t="1014">spooked Mhmm. Satoshi away from Bitcoin.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1016">16:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1016" data-t="1016">So I believe it did spook them, but I think it already spooked them before it was even published to me. That's my point there. Sure.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1025">17:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1025" data-t="1025">Yeah. I think it's funny that Gavin says,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1029" data-t="1029">I'll be paid a one time fee of $3,000</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1032" data-t="1032">to cover my expenses and pay me for my time, but I don't want any Gavin's on the CIA payroll rumors to get started. And then Manny Brosenfeld tells him that he should ask for payment in Bitcoin. Should have asked for for payment in forty hours per Bitcoin, but</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1048">17:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1048" data-t="1048">didn't exist back then.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1050">17:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1050" data-t="1050">Yep.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1052" data-t="1052">I mean, one of one of the ways that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1054" data-t="1054">you know, I kinda root out the spooks is by I think somebody's a spook and they're trying to offer me payment as I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1061" data-t="1061">I I tell them to pay me in cigarettes and they they don't want they don't ever wanna do that. You you can kinda root somebody out that way if they're willing to transact</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1069" data-t="1069">non KYC cigarettes. But we do know those spooks use cryptocurrencies,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1073" data-t="1073">specifically Benera, very frequently.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1077">17:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1077" data-t="1077">So, Noah, I wanna hear a little bit about the background of the song. So you're talking</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1083" data-t="1083">about leaving somebody</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1084" data-t="1084">so who wrote this? Was this you that wrote this one? Or,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1088">18:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1088" data-t="1088">was this Or? It was mainly me, I'd say, but then we kind of developed it together</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1094" data-t="1094">first with Or and then with, with the rest of the band. Yeah. And it was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1099" data-t="1099">influenced by actually not just one story,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1103" data-t="1103">but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1105" data-t="1105">the general concept</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1107" data-t="1107">of leaving someone for their own sake. And,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1111">18:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1111" data-t="1111">I had this riff</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1113" data-t="1113">in my</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1114" data-t="1114">mind.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1116" data-t="1116">It was not supposed to be anything Middle Eastern, but it was just supposed to be like a heavy guitar riff. But as soon as Ol heard it,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1126" data-t="1126">he heard a Turkish</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1127" data-t="1127">string orchestra</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1128">18:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1128" data-t="1128">playing this riff.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1130" data-t="1130">And then we decided to kinda</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1133" data-t="1133">make this,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1134" data-t="1134">you know, sort of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1136" data-t="1136">Middle Eastern Oriental</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1138" data-t="1138">metal</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1139">18:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1139" data-t="1139">Prague</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1140" data-t="1140">extravaganza</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1141" data-t="1141">thing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1142" data-t="1142">And then we invited</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1144" data-t="1144">a Turkish</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1145" data-t="1145">string orchestra to join</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1148">19:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1148" data-t="1148">and play with us. So it became kind of like a whole</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1152" data-t="1152">new</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1153" data-t="1153">style for us to explore.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1155">19:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1155" data-t="1155">Is it one you think you'll,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1157" data-t="1157">continue on with going forward or</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1161">19:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1161" data-t="1161">maybe.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1162" data-t="1162">I mean, we like to explore different things. Yeah. I think they're like, you know, obviously</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1168" data-t="1168">Middle Eastern influences,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1170" data-t="1170">but also a lot of Western</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1173" data-t="1173">like classical</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1174" data-t="1174">jazz.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1175">19:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1175" data-t="1175">Like, we like to explore many,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1177" data-t="1177">many things. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1180" data-t="1180">I I don't think I'll ever say no to to anything when it comes to music. As long as it's good.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1186">19:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1186" data-t="1186">As long as it's good. Yeah. I mean, this really is a fascinating,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1191" data-t="1191">song and music video because it really does go through</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1195" data-t="1195">early Bitcoin history. And I think a lot of people don't,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1199" data-t="1199">they get into Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1201" data-t="1201">that listen to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1204" data-t="1204">there's kind of like a hero's journey when it comes to getting into Bitcoin, right? Where</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1209">20:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1209" data-t="1209">people get interested in NGU,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1213" data-t="1213">which leads them to Bitcoin podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1216" data-t="1216">which leads them to Bitcoin history.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1218" data-t="1218">But the the amount of work and context to really appreciate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1223" data-t="1223">the value of video like this,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1225" data-t="1225">there's a lot of work that goes behind it.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1228">20:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1228" data-t="1228">Yes. I have noticed,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1230" data-t="1230">nobody who's in Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1233" data-t="1233">from 2017</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1235" data-t="1235">onwards</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1236" data-t="1236">even understands what the video is about,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1239" data-t="1239">in my opinion. They should should do their homework. They have to listen to forty hours per week? Yeah. I mean, I think you only listen to forty hours per week once you've</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1250">20:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1250" data-t="1250">reached the point,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1253" data-t="1253">you finished your shit coining phase. And, yeah, maybe the forty hours per week that the podcast these days</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1261" data-t="1261">are I mean, the podcast is themselves are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1264" data-t="1264">a bit noobish</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1266" data-t="1266">sometimes.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1268">21:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1268" data-t="1268">That's why you have to I actually had a question about it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1271" data-t="1271">Does it count if you listen to Shitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1274" data-t="1274">podcasts No. As a, you know, as a learning experience</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1278">21:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1278" data-t="1278">No. Not as a No. It it kills your brain cell. It's not it it doesn't count as a as a part of your forty hours. Not in my opinion. No. It it I mean, it it deducts</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1289">21:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1289" data-t="1289">hours. It's like a penalty. Yeah. I I I feel like listening to Shirkcoin podcast is kinda like vaping or smoking menthol cigarettes. It doesn't really count.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1298" data-t="1298">Yeah. That's a good analogy. So it is funny. So the the music video ends with Satoshi</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1304" data-t="1304">taking a drill and and drilling through some hard drives and then, and then there's a little Easter egg of a Michael Sailor,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1312" data-t="1312">kind of a goofy photo of him in the background.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1316">21:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1316" data-t="1316">It's Satoshi himself painted. Yes. Everybody knows Satoshi invented Michael Sailor. What is this painting? It looks like a mother</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1324">22:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1324" data-t="1324">holding hands with her child.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1327" data-t="1327">You can kind of barely see. I can share my screen so you know what I'm talking about. So I know what you're talking about. That was the</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1334">22:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1334" data-t="1334">original concept idea. Basically,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1337" data-t="1337">Satoshi is, destroying his persona</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1340" data-t="1340">to move on to other things, as he said in one of the emails one of the last emails he</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1348" data-t="1348">to Mike,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1349" data-t="1349">hernia.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1350" data-t="1350">But yeah. So what are other things? I mean,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1354">22:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1354" data-t="1354">if he realized that the spooks are on him or he has to kill the persona,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1360" data-t="1360">maybe he has a wife and child, maybe he wants the wife and child, maybe</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1364" data-t="1364">maybe he's going back to his old life, maybe he wants a different life, maybe he wants a family. I mean, that's his painting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1369" data-t="1369">A</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1370" data-t="1370">family.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1371" data-t="1371">I mean, that's he's painting</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1372">22:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1372" data-t="1372">his deepest desires to get him through this, I mean, character</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1379" data-t="1379">suicide, I guess. So it's open to interpretation if it's him and his mother, him as a child going back to his old life or maybe his</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1388" data-t="1388">family going back to them. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1392" data-t="1392">that's the that's the idea. That's his last painting after painting Michael Sailor and all the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1398" data-t="1398">artist artwork. He was an artist. Very cool.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1401">23:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1401" data-t="1401">So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1402" data-t="1402">in talking with you before the interview over the last few weeks,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1405" data-t="1405">you guys have been into Bitcoin for some time.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1409" data-t="1409">Stardust</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1410" data-t="1410">tours all over the place. You've participated in music,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1414" data-t="1414">competitions</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1416">23:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1416" data-t="1416">in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1418" data-t="1418">Asia</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1419" data-t="1419">and in Europe.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1420" data-t="1420">You talked to a lot of musicians.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1423" data-t="1423">Do you see an overlap in interest</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1425" data-t="1425">with Bitcoin, or are you guys kind of an anomaly when it comes to this? And and do you try to do you try to orange peel</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1432">23:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1432" data-t="1432">other people, or,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1435">23:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1435" data-t="1435">or you just kinda keep it to yourself? I'll just say I'm not a musician. I'm not from Skardust, the band. I'm not part of it. I'm just, I don't even know how to describe it. I'm a I'm a Shoutaf. I mean Partner? Partner.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1449" data-t="1449">I I do stuff</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1451" data-t="1451">with them, and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1452" data-t="1452">I think I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1455" data-t="1455">people in Skardust</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1456" data-t="1456">are OG Bitcoiners,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1458">24:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1458" data-t="1458">but I think I'm</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1461" data-t="1461">the eccentric,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1462" data-t="1462">orange billing part of it. I had I had a deal with them with the band where I I can rent out I mean, I don't rent out, but some of the payments I get is is real estate space on their laptop that is on stage for putting on stickers, Bitcoin stickers.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1480" data-t="1480">So I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1481" data-t="1481">this kind of thing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1483" data-t="1483">So and I try to</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1485">24:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1485" data-t="1485">throw in some,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1486" data-t="1486">Bitcoin sticker shots and everything I do,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1490" data-t="1490">with them.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1492">24:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1492" data-t="1492">But, yeah, they they are. I mean But you you you tour with the band. You do a lot of video for them. When I'm called upon.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1500">24:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1500" data-t="1500">When I'm called upon, yes. Mostly in Europe though, escardists have yet to</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1506">25:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1506" data-t="1506">conquer</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1507">25:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1507" data-t="1507">The US. The USA. The West.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1511">25:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1511" data-t="1511">We'll get there. But to answer your question, I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1515" data-t="1515">don't really orange pill people that much. I think only when I'm asked</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1521" data-t="1521">and then I give an honest answer. And I think it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1524" data-t="1524">actually easier to orange pill metalheads</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1528" data-t="1528">because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1530" data-t="1530">I feel that bitcoin and metal kind of share</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1534">25:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1534" data-t="1534">a lot. They have a lot in common</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1537" data-t="1537">in terms of the freedom</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1539" data-t="1539">act. Metal allows you to express yourself fully,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1544" data-t="1544">Bitcoin does. And for me</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1547" data-t="1547">personally as a musician</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1549" data-t="1549">found myself like doing</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1551">25:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1551" data-t="1551">deciding</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1552" data-t="1552">to go</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1553" data-t="1553">at a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1555" data-t="1555">path</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1556" data-t="1556">where I devote my life,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1559" data-t="1559">my entire life</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1561">26:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1561" data-t="1561">to something</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1563" data-t="1563">I really wholeheartedly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1565" data-t="1565">fully believe in, even though other people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1568" data-t="1568">kept,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1569" data-t="1569">you know, telling me like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1571" data-t="1571">why,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1572">26:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1572" data-t="1572">why, first of all, why have you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1576" data-t="1576">chosen to be a musician? This is not a real profession. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1581" data-t="1581">once they realize that okay I am a musician, why metal?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1586" data-t="1586">Nobody likes metal. It's a niche. Nobody listens to metal.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1589" data-t="1589">It will never</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1591" data-t="1591">you will never succeed</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1593">26:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1593" data-t="1593">as a metal musician.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1595" data-t="1595">Prog metal? Are you insane?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1599">26:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1599" data-t="1599">I have mental issues.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1600" data-t="1600">What's this crazy coin you're on about metal prog? But I've always believed that, you know,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1608">26:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1608" data-t="1608">you know, what I do</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1610" data-t="1610">truly allows me to express myself without any limits or boundaries. So I just went for it. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1617" data-t="1617">despite, you know, everything</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1620" data-t="1620">that everyone kept</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1622" data-t="1622">saying to me</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1624" data-t="1624">And I feel like with Bitcoin, it's just exactly the same.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1627">27:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1627" data-t="1627">Mhmm. I believe in this and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1631" data-t="1631">you know, I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1633" data-t="1633">make sure to dive deep, listen to the forty hours per week</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1639" data-t="1639">so I can fully understand what I'm doing. Same as, you know, practicing forty hours on my piano or or whatever.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1647" data-t="1647">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1648" data-t="1648">make sure I really know what I what I do.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1652">27:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1652" data-t="1652">Stand by what I do. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1656" data-t="1656">I think it's going into Bitcoin for me</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1659" data-t="1659">was so natural because it just Do musicians even have finances or savings or anything? No. But I mean I mean, in terms of of a mindset, it just fits right into this mindset. It's a solution to a lot of things. I think you you just,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1674">27:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1674" data-t="1674">quoted the the end of Matrix without even noticing, and you haven't even watched it more than once. Like, world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1684" data-t="1684">A world where anything is possible. It's metal, frog metal, and Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1689" data-t="1689">Where we go from there is a choice that you have to do. That's the end of the matrix. It's very cool. So yeah, it's it's all very similar. It's all the same world. That's why, I mean, I'm not a musician, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1699" data-t="1699">in my, I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1701" data-t="1701">upbringing, I just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1703" data-t="1703">gravitated towards metal. And when I heard Skardust, I I was hooked as well. I'm really grateful for the people</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1709">28:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1709" data-t="1709">who are also Bitcoiners</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1711" data-t="1711">who introduced me to Scardust two years ago. Definitely. Yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1715">28:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1715" data-t="1715">I've experienced freedom through metal personally.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1718" data-t="1718">And I I would consider Bitcoin, it's it's kinda like the financial mosh pit. You know what I mean?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1723" data-t="1723">Like, you or when you know, I'm sure a lot of our listeners have never experienced Perfect.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1728" data-t="1728">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1730" data-t="1730">I'm sure a lot of our listeners, they've never experienced</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1733" data-t="1733">the wonders of being in a mosh pit.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1736">28:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1736" data-t="1736">Almost broke a rib once. Yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1738">28:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1738" data-t="1738">You should try it.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1741">29:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1741" data-t="1741">Talking But I mean, what what's incredible about being in a mosh pit is, you know, you're in there, you're depending on the type of music. I think the type of music influences the type of mosh pit you are, the the the heavier the metal, the fatter and and more intense the people in the mosh pit are. So, you know, if you're a little guy like Alex Fetzky, you know, you should probably be going</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1764" data-t="1764">to lighter metal concerts, little, but, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1768" data-t="1768">the metal core screamo</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1770">29:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1770" data-t="1770">with the Avenged Sevenfold.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1773">29:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1773" data-t="1773">Yeah. Yeah. Avenged Sevenfold or, like, Bullet for my Valentine or, you know, somebody like that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1780" data-t="1780">Not necessarily Lamb of God or</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1782" data-t="1782">August Burns Red. But, you know, when you're in the mosh pit,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1786" data-t="1786">you get knocked down on the ground.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1789" data-t="1789">People stop and they pick you up. They don't trample you. You know what I mean? It is a place where there's not necessarily rules being enforced by, I mean, depending on the venue,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1799" data-t="1799">the security typically isn't right there on you, but it's like a self governing</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1803">30:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1803" data-t="1803">ecosystem</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1805" data-t="1805">in a way,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1806" data-t="1806">that you can</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1807" data-t="1807">experience a lot of freedom and you can you can dance like a goofball and and look really goofy, but you just, you know, you have this very</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1816" data-t="1816">intense music that just like coursing through your veins. And what I've experienced is just this feeling of of being so alive during that process. And I think for for many, you know, that that are experiencing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1829" data-t="1829">this, they</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1831">30:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1831" data-t="1831">they seek out metal music, metal concerts specifically</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1834" data-t="1834">because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1836" data-t="1836">we're in a society</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1838" data-t="1838">of people that don't listen to Bitcoin podcasts, that don't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1842" data-t="1842">read Ayn Rand, that, you know, live very boring</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1846" data-t="1846">and meaningless lives. And they're just kinda like stuck in the rat race and they just wanna feel something. And I feel</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1853">30:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1853" data-t="1853">like for so many, Bitcoin is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1856" data-t="1856">a solution.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1857" data-t="1857">Like my background, I used to work in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1860" data-t="1860">traditional</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1861" data-t="1861">media and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1862" data-t="1862">you know, you would you would get your,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1865">31:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1865" data-t="1865">you would get your marching orders</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1867" data-t="1867">from your superiors to go write some sort of nonsensical</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1870" data-t="1870">fiat</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1871" data-t="1871">piece about nothing that was all propaganda and presented as news.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1876" data-t="1876">And I almost died of alcoholism</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1879" data-t="1879">from that because it was such a miserable experience. And that was the only way to do that. And and leaving that ecosystem</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1885">31:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1885" data-t="1885">into</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1886" data-t="1886">reporting on topics that matter, such as Bitcoin, was really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1891" data-t="1891">life giving. And I that that's the way I see</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1894" data-t="1894">kind of the overlap between metal</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1896" data-t="1896">and Bitcoin. I'm curious, if you wanna expand on that a little bit more.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1902">31:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1902" data-t="1902">It's very interesting. First of all, I do agree that in the metal shows, I mean, the authorities aren't there. It's like a it's like a known thing. I mean, they leave it with the venue and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1913" data-t="1913">the cards there to just be self governing,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1916" data-t="1916">and they're like, we'll deal with you later. Just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1920" data-t="1920">KYC or something. I don't know. But, yeah, they do give you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1924" data-t="1924">some freedom for the for the time of the show.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1928" data-t="1928">Feels like that.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1930">32:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1930" data-t="1930">And, yeah, I There is a sense of trust. There is a sense of trust. And there is a sense of community. I sometimes lose lose it at the the venue guards. This this they sometimes are fiat minded people as well. You won't see a 30 figure real one, I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1946" data-t="1946">in a in a in a metal show.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1948">32:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1948" data-t="1948">But Most most metal concerts, like most metal fans are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1953" data-t="1953">just, you know, nice little</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1955" data-t="1955">care bears. Yeah. Geeks</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1958" data-t="1958">with, Who just wanna, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1961" data-t="1961">express themselves and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1964" data-t="1964">Yeah. Like you said, it's it's the those, you know, these extreme emotions</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1970">32:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1970" data-t="1970">that need</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1971" data-t="1971">a platform.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1972">32:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1972" data-t="1972">And I and I can really relate with the second part. I also used to work in media and propaganda,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1978" data-t="1978">and I was looking for meaning</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1980" data-t="1980">in life. And I found an actual solution after,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1984" data-t="1984">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1986" data-t="1986">after all the the hardship and the being lost, and and you you stumble upon Bitcoin, and it and it makes sense. And it gives you that, just like like the music.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1997">33:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1997" data-t="1997">Yeah. Yeah. I would say mosh pits, they're they're a lot like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2001" data-t="2001">Bitcoin meetups, you know, where, you know, somebody comes into the mosh pit and starts, like, throwing punches or something, but everybody turns on them and sticks together and and and roots them out. System.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2010" data-t="2010">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2012" data-t="2012">You got a shitcoiner.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2013" data-t="2013">You come you got a shit corner that comes and starts talking about XRP in the meetup. It's it's the same thing. They get</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2019" data-t="2019">they get handled pretty thoroughly.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2021">33:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2021" data-t="2021">Also, like, you know, from an educational</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2024" data-t="2024">point of view, I've studied in a lot of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2027" data-t="2027">academies</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2028" data-t="2028">and with a lot of teachers and in many different</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2031" data-t="2031">with many different methods</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2034" data-t="2034">and, I think like that there's the fiat minded</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2037">33:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2037" data-t="2037">methods and academies that tell you you cannot do this or this or this, like, you cannot sing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2044" data-t="2044">this loud, you cannot use this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2048" data-t="2048">vocal effect,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2049" data-t="2049">you cannot use this dynamic range.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2053" data-t="2053">And then there are the methods</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2055" data-t="2055">that tell</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2057">34:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2057" data-t="2057">you do whatever the you want and I would lean more towards those. And it was only when I realized</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2065" data-t="2065">what can be done in music, what can be done with the voice, what can be done with,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2071" data-t="2071">you know, compositions</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2073" data-t="2073">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2074" data-t="2074">arrangements and whatnot,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2075" data-t="2075">that I've decided to start a progressive metal band because it allowed me to, okay I can fully express myself now, and I feel exactly the same when it comes to</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2086">34:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2086" data-t="2086">the solution</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2088" data-t="2088">that Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2090" data-t="2090">gives, if that makes sense. Well, it it feel like</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2093">34:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2093" data-t="2093">there's all these bands that are kind of trending in the same direction. Like you listen to like fallout boy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2099" data-t="2099">today, or I forgot what the other one was. That was kind of like emo rock like that, but they're all trending in the same direction. They all sound the same. And what I find interesting about you guys</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2111" data-t="2111">is incredibly different. Like, I have yet to see</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2115" data-t="2115">any other band really put out a Bitcoin theme music video. And I almost feel like that's it's kind of risky in some ways because it it is polarizing.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2125">35:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2125" data-t="2125">Yeah. Yeah. We had to be brave. You you always have to be brave if you wanna do something meaningful. And also, you have to be confident.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2134" data-t="2134">Like, you understand something.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2136" data-t="2136">It's the other 80% who doesn't. But you understand it, so nothing they can say</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2143">35:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2143" data-t="2143">mean makes sense if you understand something that they don't. Yeah. I also think, like, this video, we're not sharing any opinion. We're just presenting</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2151">35:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2151" data-t="2151">a story. Well, I did throw in that there is no second fucking best</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2156" data-t="2156">sailor. That's an Easter egg. But yeah. I actually think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2160" data-t="2160">some of the old punk rock</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2162" data-t="2162">bands,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2163" data-t="2163">maybe not Fall Out Boy,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2165" data-t="2165">but some of them did have the good messaging. I mean, I grew up on that. Probably did a good job raising me. Yeah.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2173">36:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2173" data-t="2173">For sure. I hope they're I hope they found Bitcoin. You would think there would be an overlap, but we're we're seeing, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2180" data-t="2180">bans like rage against the machine turn into rage for the vaccine.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2186" data-t="2186">Yeah. What the fuck? But I do I do think this is like a real opportunity right now to use music as a as a method to really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2193" data-t="2193">present a message that that matters and resonates with people. And I think that's one of the things that's that's very disappointing with a lot of the mainstream</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2202" data-t="2202">music today is it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2204" data-t="2204">I don't think it's doing that. It just doesn't do it for me. It's very rare</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2208">36:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2208" data-t="2208">that I'll find</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2210" data-t="2210">a like, they a lot of them exist</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2213" data-t="2213">out there for sure, but I I do think it's rare, and that's what makes it so valuable when somebody does.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2218">36:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2218" data-t="2218">There's so much Fiat music out there. It's more than 80%</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2222">37:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2222" data-t="2222">Fiat music, and I hate Fiat music. Yeah. I I I don't listen to the radio anymore.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2228">37:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2228" data-t="2228">Yeah. Me neither.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2230" data-t="2230">Yes. I listen to forty hours. There is no time to listen to the radio. Yeah. Yeah. Forty hours beats radio every day.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2237">37:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2237" data-t="2237">Well, I wanna I wanna play,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2240" data-t="2240">a little bit clip from,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2243" data-t="2243">your song My Haven, which is, I believe, another recent</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2247">37:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2247" data-t="2247">release. Correct? Yes. Yeah. It's from the new album that's about to come out. Yes. Which way? Amazing. I've heard it. It's really, really good, and it's not out yet. The</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2256" data-t="2256">world</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2311">38:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2311" data-t="2311">So I hold your hand tight as I shout. Yeah. What so first of all, what what did the writing process for this song look like?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2319">38:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2319" data-t="2319">What was the name? Very similar to very similar to Rip. I came up with the initial with the initial lyrics, the initial idea, and then we kind of developed it together. It's about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2330" data-t="2330">keeping your seed safe.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2332" data-t="2332">No. Should I go should I go into it?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2335">38:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2335" data-t="2335">I mean, should we should we?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2338" data-t="2338">It's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2339" data-t="2339">it was influenced by events, real events. Yeah. Well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2342" data-t="2342">I mean history it's about Bitcoin as well, but, it's also like an Israeli thing.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2348">39:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2348" data-t="2348">It's, it's a response</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2351" data-t="2351">well, okay.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2353" data-t="2353">So the lyrics are written in a way that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2357" data-t="2357">I hope everyone can relate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2359" data-t="2359">to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2360" data-t="2360">with, you know, having a safe haven</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2363">39:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2363" data-t="2363">because very often our safe haven is not perfect.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2368" data-t="2368">Whether, you know, it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2370" data-t="2370">our home or</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2372" data-t="2372">our partner or</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2374" data-t="2374">our pet or, you know, a mountain, whatever. Whatever is your safe haven, it's often not a perfect place, but it's still the place where you feel</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2386" data-t="2386">the safest.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2388">39:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2388" data-t="2388">You feel like it's, you know, your own and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2390" data-t="2390">you can you can be yourself there and you can feel safe there. But it was triggered by</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2397" data-t="2397">a response</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2399" data-t="2399">to people not realizing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2401" data-t="2401">why</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2402" data-t="2402">we need Israel. And it it was, you know, kind of fueled by the October 7 events and people not realizing why</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2411">40:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2411" data-t="2411">we need this place at all.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2414" data-t="2414">So it was kind of a response</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2417" data-t="2417">to that. I felt like, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2419" data-t="2419">I,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2421" data-t="2421">I travel the world,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2423" data-t="2423">but I always have to hide my passport.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2427">40:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2427" data-t="2427">I don't want people to know where I'm from. I speak English abroad.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2431" data-t="2431">I don't dare to speak my own language because I'm afraid</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2436" data-t="2436">I don't feel safe, you know?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2438" data-t="2438">So this is actually here where I live in Israel is the only place where I actually feel safe despite, you know, everything that is going on. Some place where you don't have to opt sick</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2450">40:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2450" data-t="2450">Yeah. I guess.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2451" data-t="2451">I mean, as Anne Brin and Rita and so to speak anarchist, I would think that I mean, I would challenge some of these ideas, but yeah, basically,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2463" data-t="2463">not country itself, but the place where you can</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2467" data-t="2467">keep your seed safe and you don't have to OPSEC.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2470" data-t="2470">I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2471" data-t="2471">mean, maybe,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2472">41:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2472" data-t="2472">in my opinion, I would relate to that in that way. Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2476" data-t="2476">But to each their own. Yeah. The Yeah. The topic of,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2480">41:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2480" data-t="2480">of Israel and and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2482" data-t="2482">Jews in general</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2483" data-t="2483">has become very controversial.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2485" data-t="2485">I think more so recently</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2487" data-t="2487">than prior. You know, my my stance on it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2491" data-t="2491">personally is I I see a lot of value</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2493">41:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2493" data-t="2493">in Jewish people for multiple reasons. One of the primary reasons is because I want good</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2498" data-t="2498">movies and TV shows.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2500" data-t="2500">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2501" data-t="2501">we've seen a steep decline</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2504" data-t="2504">in Hollywood with this DEI</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2506" data-t="2506">policies,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2507">41:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2507" data-t="2507">which you know, has been an attempt to get the Jews out of Hollywood. And what it has resulted is</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2513">41:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2513" data-t="2513">bad movies, bad TV shows. Haven't thought about it like that, but, yeah, that makes sense. Yes. Yeah. And,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2522">42:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2522" data-t="2522">I mean, I think that, you know, the context I come from,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2526" data-t="2526">I dealt with,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2528" data-t="2528">American Jews a lot, which is definitely very different than Israeli Jews. And that's something I've been</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2533" data-t="2533">learning about recently.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2535">42:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2535" data-t="2535">So almost as if it doesn't matter.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2538">42:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2538" data-t="2538">What do you mean?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2539">42:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2539" data-t="2539">I mean, if you're true or not, you're just different people. It's just the, I guess, the culture or something. Yeah. I don't know.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2547">42:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2547" data-t="2547">Well, there there's definitely a lot of different cultural nuances</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2550" data-t="2550">here. So, like, you know, for one,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2553" data-t="2553">as far as I've seen,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2555" data-t="2555">Israeli Jewish women are hot. American Jewish women, not so much. It's damn sixteens on your back and the loose pants, I guess. Mhmm. I'm curious. So, like, I I definitely have some anarchist tendencies</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2566" data-t="2566">as well. I kinda if I were to ascribe</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2569" data-t="2569">ideology to myself, I'd call myself a cigarette capitalist. But so what what is it like to to live in</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2577">42:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2577" data-t="2577">the the state of Israel being an anarchist?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2580">42:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2580" data-t="2580">What's that like? I told them crazy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2583" data-t="2583">for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2584" data-t="2584">since I remember.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2586" data-t="2586">Since I, found Bitcoin, I guess.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2589" data-t="2589">Found. I mean, understood.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2591" data-t="2591">You don't really find it. You just understand it, and it's</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2594">43:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2594" data-t="2594">matter of luck when you understand it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2598" data-t="2598">I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2599" data-t="2599">it's not something you have to believe in if you understand that it what it is. Just it's just a fact.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2605" data-t="2605">Mhmm. So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2607" data-t="2607">it changes you, and, everybody thinks you're crazy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2610" data-t="2610">But, they can, have fun staying poor. Jose,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2613">43:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2613" data-t="2613">I'm sure it's a pretty unpopular</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2615">43:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2615" data-t="2615">viewpoint to have living over there. I mean, I surrounded myself with the community that it is popular in it, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2622" data-t="2622">the wider</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2624" data-t="2624">I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2625" data-t="2625">most</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2626" data-t="2626">people in Israel</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2628" data-t="2628">are NPCs in my opinion.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2631">43:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2631" data-t="2631">And it does people. Yeah. Most people everywhere. I mean, it doesn't really matter if you're Jewish or not. If you're either an MPC and you're under don't understand stuff or you're not.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2640" data-t="2640">Yes. I I find it really, really annoying that some</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2645" data-t="2645">non MPC people turn into MPC people because they want to, murder me for not doing anything and just being alive,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2652" data-t="2652">and I cannot help</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2654" data-t="2654">being born.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2656" data-t="2656">So that that's annoying, and that violates the</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2659">44:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2659" data-t="2659">NAP, I would guess. That's how you call it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2662" data-t="2662">Mhmm. Which is the option. No aggression principle.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2665" data-t="2665">Yeah. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2667" data-t="2667">that's just my experience here. Also the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2671" data-t="2671">regulation, it's a demon to fight, but at least I don't have to OPSEC,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2677" data-t="2677">something that I have no control over</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2680">44:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2680" data-t="2680">Mhmm. Here, I guess.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2682" data-t="2682">It's just default and not to be it is very dangerous anyway, so that's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2688" data-t="2688">but it's a it's a statistics thing, But that's just me. I mean,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2693">44:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2693" data-t="2693">other people have other opinions. Yeah. I mean, I I think one of the biggest challenges is, I'm inferring a little bit based on what you're describing,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2701" data-t="2701">which is individuals get caught in the crossfire</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2704" data-t="2704">of the machinations</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2706" data-t="2706">of governments</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2707" data-t="2707">and and other powerful individuals</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2710" data-t="2710">with agendas,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2712">45:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2712" data-t="2712">and there's not really a whole lot of choice in it. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2715" data-t="2715">so, like, no. And I hear you describe,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2718" data-t="2718">like, hiding your passport or when you travel abroad and not wanting to share,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2722" data-t="2722">I mean, that's not really a representation.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2725" data-t="2725">I or at least the way I'm hearing it, it's not really a representation of the decisions you've made.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2731">45:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2731" data-t="2731">Mhmm.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2732" data-t="2732">Yeah. It's just you can't help it. I mean, we're just Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2736" data-t="2736">Born.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2738">45:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2738" data-t="2738">Mhmm.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2739">45:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2739" data-t="2739">It's not your fault. And and and you haven't done anything. And and it's just a collective kind of view, which is so stupid</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2747" data-t="2747">in my opinion.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2748" data-t="2748">Hating people for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2752" data-t="2752">a collective</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2753" data-t="2753">name tag. Yes. And I bet these people don't listen to forty hours</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2758" data-t="2758">of Bitcoin podcasts per week, which makes them so stupid.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2763">46:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2763" data-t="2763">Well, if they did, they'd realize quite a few of the podcasters are Jewish as well.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2767">46:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2767" data-t="2767">Oh, yeah. Maybe. So,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2769">46:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2769" data-t="2769">you know, before we were recording this, one of the things that you mentioned to me is that you you guys had to run down to the bomb shelter for a little bit. I mean, that that's an interesting experience. I've never experienced anything like that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2780" data-t="2780">I bet there's some epic orange peeling opportunities and bomb shelters because you have a you have a captive audience.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2786">46:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2786" data-t="2786">Yeah. In big cities. Yeah. You have a captive audience for ten minutes. It's like for a block. You have to stay there in the in the bomb shelter after the siren ends for ten minutes, which is exactly like, an average block time. So you have to orange peel people in the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2801" data-t="2801">time of a of a block,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2802" data-t="2802">and then it's over. So it's like a race. You can play a game, actually. And the may maybe every time I mean, every missile that comes, you get another block</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2812" data-t="2812">to to continue the pilling.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2814" data-t="2814">Mhmm. But but how how does orange billing even help if people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2819" data-t="2819">don't actually</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2821">47:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2821" data-t="2821">go home and listen to forty hours</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2824" data-t="2824">per week?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2825">47:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2825" data-t="2825">It's just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2827" data-t="2827">beginning. A part</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2828" data-t="2828">of orange filling them,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2830">47:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2830" data-t="2830">getting them I guess.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2832">47:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2832" data-t="2832">To listen to the forty hours.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2834">47:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2834" data-t="2834">Otherwise So we need more war and more missiles to get more</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2840" data-t="2840">block</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2841" data-t="2841">time. It's like block space, but block time in the shelter with a captive audience. No, I used to own a shelter. I used</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2848" data-t="2848">to. Like a big shelter where she used to do all the rehearsals and her choir stuff.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2852" data-t="2852">She used to get it, it on on lease or something. She just did had to pay the electricity and maybe volunteer in the community for some then she got this huge real estate of of a huge bomb shelter to do all the music in. Yeah. We wrote a lot of music there</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2869">47:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2869" data-t="2869">in this shelter.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2870">47:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2870" data-t="2870">Yeah. I mean, the War times. Yeah. Sorry.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2874">47:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2874" data-t="2874">I just think, like, you know, conflict and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2877" data-t="2877">adversity</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2879" data-t="2879">is really an opportunity</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2880" data-t="2880">to reach into yourself</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2882" data-t="2882">and and respond to it with creativity</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2885" data-t="2885">because it brings like a whole different level of depth and meaning. So Yeah. For sure.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2890">48:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2890" data-t="2890">This this song, My Haven. So, you know, dealing with all the, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2895" data-t="2895">anxiety</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2896" data-t="2896">culturally and the the confusion and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2899" data-t="2899">and conflict,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2900" data-t="2900">like, what what things are this haven? What is the song,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2905">48:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2905" data-t="2905">you know, pointing to? This place, I guess. Yeah. The pre chorus says like we've been through hell and back obviously speaks about historical events and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2916" data-t="2916">calling our name as a symbol of shame,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2919" data-t="2919">you know, historical events. Unfortunately, not just as historical it's, you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2924" data-t="2924">know, it's happening</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2926" data-t="2926">now as well.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2928" data-t="2928">And then the chorus, You Are My Haven</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2931">48:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2931" data-t="2931">kind of invites</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2933" data-t="2933">the audience to participate so everyone can</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2936" data-t="2936">join in and shout</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2939" data-t="2939">their hearts out and every person can relate with,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2943" data-t="2943">you know, their own haven in mind, I guess.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2946">49:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2946" data-t="2946">Because everyone Music is objective,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2949">49:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2949" data-t="2949">I guess. Everyone has their own haven.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2952">49:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2952" data-t="2952">It's a very crowded</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2953" data-t="2953">song to do in in live shows as well</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2957" data-t="2957">with the you.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2958">49:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2958" data-t="2958">Yeah. It's like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2960" data-t="2960">a call and response</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2962" data-t="2962">thing. You. Yeah. Or this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2965" data-t="2965">kinda.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2966">49:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2966" data-t="2966">And then she explodes her voice.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2969">49:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2969" data-t="2969">I really look forward to experience it in person someday.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2972" data-t="2972">It's one of my goals.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2975" data-t="2975">Oh, very cool. So you have a new album coming out. We talked about doing an announcement of announcements. So the official announcement is coming out here a little bit.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2984">49:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2984" data-t="2984">Yep.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2985" data-t="2985">Probably next month.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2988">49:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2988" data-t="2988">Two weeks trademark.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2990">49:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2990" data-t="2990">Gosh. That that term's so triggering. I'm sure it's triggering for you guys too. Because, from what I remember, it sounds like Fauci</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2996" data-t="2996">robbed you of the ability to break into the American market. But, yeah, tell tell let's hear about the album.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3004">50:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3004" data-t="3004">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3005" data-t="3005">It's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3006" data-t="3006">coming out</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3008" data-t="3008">this year, probably around summer.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3011">50:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3011" data-t="3011">It has a guest singer everybody knows about already. Yeah. It has a guest no. Nobody knows about it. Well, everybody was at the show knows about it.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3019">50:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3019" data-t="3019">Well, they know he sang at the show. They don't know he is in the album. Now you're spoiled. Everyone's surprised.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3025">50:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3025" data-t="3025">So get the hype up already.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3028">50:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3028" data-t="3028">Yeah. Well, I mean, we have some exciting guests on the album. We have, singer,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3033" data-t="3033">singer from from a very,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3036" data-t="3036">very cool prog metal band. We have another</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3041" data-t="3041">guest</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3042" data-t="3042">violinist</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3043" data-t="3043">in one of the songs.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3045">50:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3045" data-t="3045">We have the Turkish orchestra</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3047" data-t="3047">in Rip. We have a whole choir</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3049" data-t="3049">featured in the entire album and on all the tracks.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3052">50:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3052" data-t="3052">And an orchestra.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3054">50:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3054" data-t="3054">And a string quartet.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3056" data-t="3056">Oh, and we have a a Jewish Arab orchestra</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3060" data-t="3060">featured</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3061" data-t="3061">in one of the tracks</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3064" data-t="3064">that is actually very cool. It's like an orchestra</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3068" data-t="3068">based in Tel Aviv.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3071">51:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3071" data-t="3071">Young people,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3072" data-t="3072">half Arabs, half Jews,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3075" data-t="3075">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3076" data-t="3076">they played a song with us on the album.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3079" data-t="3079">The album is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3081" data-t="3081">you know,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3082">51:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3082" data-t="3082">if if you're a Scardust fan, it will give you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3086" data-t="3086">your favorite elements</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3088" data-t="3088">of, you know, the Disney metal</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3091" data-t="3091">aspect</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3092" data-t="3092">and</span> <span class="cue" data-t="3092">the frogginess and the complexity of the music</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3096">51:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3096" data-t="3096">with the poppy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3098" data-t="3098">catchy choruses</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3100" data-t="3100">and the crowd sing alongs. It has it all. And also some masterpieces,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3106">51:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3106" data-t="3106">which are just amazing. I mean</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3108">51:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3108" data-t="3108">And and yeah. And if if, I mean, if you're just a a metal fan or a frog fan,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3114" data-t="3114">you will have the big</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3118" data-t="3118">epos, the big, like, fifteen minutes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3121" data-t="3121">piece</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3122" data-t="3122">that talks about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3124" data-t="3124">the,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3126">52:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3126" data-t="3126">story of Pygmalion</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3128" data-t="3128">from the Greek mythology</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3130" data-t="3130">in three parts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3132" data-t="3132">And,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3134">52:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3134" data-t="3134">It's really good. It's my favorite thing you've ever done.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3138">52:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3138" data-t="3138">Thank you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3139" data-t="3139">Yeah. You have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3140" data-t="3140">the Disney ballad and you have the crazy Prague</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3145" data-t="3145">song with the heavy riffs and the growls.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3148" data-t="3148">I think you have</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3150">52:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3150" data-t="3150">all extremes on this album. And you said, is it coming out in April or you're just announcing it's coming out in April? The announcement of the announcement</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3158">52:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3158" data-t="3158">will probably be announced</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3160" data-t="3160">in April. Just</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3162">52:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3162" data-t="3162">build in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3163" data-t="3163">just build in the</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3165">52:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3165" data-t="3165">Well, it's not just up up up to us.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3169" data-t="3169">Yeah. Because we, you know, we work with</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3173" data-t="3173">with the record label and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3177" data-t="3177">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3179" data-t="3179">social media stuff and, whatever.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3182" data-t="3182">So</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3183">53:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3183" data-t="3183">it's not just up to us. It's a good point, actually. Before this album, they just signed with</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3189" data-t="3189">the Frontiers Records, which is an Italian</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3192" data-t="3192">a big Italian</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3193" data-t="3193">record label. Yeah. That's a big thing that happened, and then they did the album for them.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3199" data-t="3199">So it should be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3201" data-t="3201">a big</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3203">53:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3203" data-t="3203">thing. It's just taking its time</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3206" data-t="3206">because I have to announce all these announcements.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3208">53:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3208" data-t="3208">The label wanted to make sure that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3211" data-t="3211">we,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3213" data-t="3213">you know, that we get</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3216" data-t="3216">as much as possible out of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3219" data-t="3219">their releases.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3221" data-t="3221">They really wanted to release, you know, individual singles with</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3225">53:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3225" data-t="3225">music videos</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3228" data-t="3228">and kind of spreading them over significant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3232" data-t="3232">period. This was kind of their their strategy around</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3236" data-t="3236">this album.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3237">53:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3237" data-t="3237">Mhmm. Hope it works. Time will tell, I guess. Yeah. I'm excited to hear it come out. I'm kind of frustrated right now, though, because I feel like I'm getting teased. I'm frustrated even more for knowing that this exists and people can't hear it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3251" data-t="3251">Mhmm. But, well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3252" data-t="3252">there's a part about being a Bitcoiner, you know, is just having an attitude, a low time preference. We can be patient. Preference.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3258">54:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3258" data-t="3258">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3259" data-t="3259">You have to be patient.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3261">54:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3261" data-t="3261">Exactly.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3262">54:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3262" data-t="3262">It'll pump. The album will pump</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3265" data-t="3265">eventually.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3267" data-t="3267">We've got to wait for the halving.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3270">54:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3270" data-t="3270">Yeah. Well, we found another similarity.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3273" data-t="3273">Yeah. Eventually the album will pump. But it's not like pop because in pop you can, you know, you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3280" data-t="3280">can work on a song. Coins. They they pump and dump. It takes you like two weeks to work on a song and then it has a really high peak</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3289">54:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3289" data-t="3289">and then people forget about it. Yeah. No. You're building for the long run. Long run. Yeah. Yes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3295" data-t="3295">We need we need the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3297" data-t="3297">music music go up technology</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3299">54:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3299" data-t="3299">is being built. I think one of the good things about working with an Italian record label is Italians like to smoke cigarettes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3306" data-t="3306">So they're they're typically</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3308" data-t="3308">a little ahead of the curve of some other cultures.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3311" data-t="3311">Mhmm. They would, like, make you eat a lot of pizza and stuff.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3315" data-t="3315">Or what's what's it like working with working with an Italian record label versus other cultures?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3320">55:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3320" data-t="3320">I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3321" data-t="3321">mean, there were it feels like they're Israeli</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3323">55:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3323" data-t="3323">because we're so similar. Yeah. Israel and Italy is, like, really similar Very similar.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3329">55:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3329" data-t="3329">Dynamics. Lots of it's a cigarette smoking in Israel too. Yeah. Or what? And bad and bad drivers.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3335" data-t="3335">Yeah. It's the same. Well, I I kinda wanna</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3339" data-t="3339">I I I gotta get a good answer. So, like, what's your speculation? Why are why are Israeli Jews so much hotter than American Jews? It's the m c walking ground</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3349">55:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3349" data-t="3349">in civilian clothes with an m 16 on your back. I mean, there is the the I mean, some girls get the and I'm not sure if even girls get the divorce because it's not hot. I mean, it's it's it's a superior firearm,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3361" data-t="3361">but it's not as hot as an m 16 or an m four</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3364" data-t="3364">on your back, I think. That's what it is.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3367" data-t="3367">And, also, maybe,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3371" data-t="3371">most I mean, some Israeli women are not NPCs,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3375" data-t="3375">I would think.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3377">56:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3377" data-t="3377">There is maybe maybe they're the bigger demographic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3380" data-t="3380">of non NPC women.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3382" data-t="3382">I mean, they exist, of course. It's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3386" data-t="3386">the 80% rule, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3389" data-t="3389">that would be my speculation.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3391">56:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3391" data-t="3391">That's unfortunate. Yeah. I mean, you know, there there's a very prevalent gun culture in The United States. But, as a kind of common stereotype, American Jewish women do not like guns</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3401" data-t="3401">very</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3402">56:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3402" data-t="3402">frequently. Yeah. Well, here, you have to or you or you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3407" data-t="3407">get stabbed in the back, literally.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3409" data-t="3409">Wish I had a gun. Guns are fun. Yeah. You can't get them here, I mean, if you're not in the army or whatever.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3415" data-t="3415">Mhmm. Sometimes, if if you were</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3418" data-t="3418">it depends. It's it's a hard process.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3421" data-t="3421">Mhmm. It's not like in The USA. Well,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3424">57:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3424" data-t="3424">closing out the episode, I'm gonna play,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3427" data-t="3427">Arrowhead</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3428" data-t="3428">as the outro song. That's we were talking before. That's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3433" data-t="3433">I think, Lahav, you described that as gateway trip. Song. Yeah. It's a good fucking song.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3438">57:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3438" data-t="3438">Mhmm.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3439">57:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3439" data-t="3439">Yeah. Yeah. Closing out, do you do you have any</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3443" data-t="3443">thoughts on that song,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3445" data-t="3445">that you wanted to leave on?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3447">57:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3447" data-t="3447">Well, the lyrics are just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3449" data-t="3449">temporary</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3450" data-t="3450">lyrics.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3452" data-t="3452">I just took quotes from my ex boyfriend, and I placed them as, like, placeholder</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3458" data-t="3458">lyrics.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3459">57:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3459" data-t="3459">And it's your best song. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3462" data-t="3462">not the best song because the best songs are on the new album,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3465" data-t="3465">but it's the gateway drug. I mean, it it hooks most people. It's a really good song, Arrowhead. Very cool.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3472">57:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3472" data-t="3472">Do you guys have any do you guys have any final thoughts?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3476" data-t="3476">Well, I mean</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3478">57:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3478" data-t="3478">Yes. That means there was something</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3481" data-t="3481">we needed to share. I mean, Noel wanted to share, I think.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3484">58:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Noa Gruman</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3484" data-t="3484">Did I? I just I I just, you know, wholeheartedly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3487" data-t="3487">recommend to listen to.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3490" data-t="3490">Forty</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3492" data-t="3492">hours</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3493">58:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Lahav</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3493" data-t="3493">per week.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3498" data-t="3498">Forty</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3499" data-t="3499">hours</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3500" data-t="3500">I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3502" data-t="3502">seek.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3505" data-t="3505">Forty</span></span></p>
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