0:06Richard Greaser Metal music has a rich history. It was discovered by the Beatles when they released their groundbreaking song Helter Skelter in 1968. This gave birth to many legendary bands such as Black Sabbath, Slayer, Metallica, and Slipknot. Metal has radically disrupted the world of music and the peace of mind of suburban mothers struggling to understand why their teenage sons are listening to guttural screaming, double bass drums and soaring guitar riffs

0:36Richard Greaser instead of James Taylor or Josh Groban. Experts estimate the average global IQ has been lowered a few points due to brain damage from individuals head banging at concerts and getting elbowed in the face in mosh pits. Despite that, metal music has defined multiple generations, acting as an escape for individuals who feel trapped in the mediocrity, which is fiat society.

0:59Richard Greaser It harnesses the carnal rage of those struggling to pay taxes, helps individuals focus during school and work, and terrifies soccer moms who just want their children to listen to something a little less angry. But metal music is more than anger. It is something that speaks deep into the human soul. It is the music of the marginalized, the downcast, the outcast. It is the sacred music of the ungovernable and non compliant.

1:28Richard Greaser There have been many metal bands throughout history, but in the year 2025, there is one that stands above the rest. Combining progressive metal, complex choir arrangements, and influences from classical music, Scardust has taken the world by storm.

1:44Richard Greaser Critics and people with brains have been raving about the sensational band. Rolling Stone magazine described lead singer Noah Gruman as the Taylor Swift of modern metal music. Now they have released the hit new single RIP with a groundbreaking music video featuring Bitcoin themes,

2:02Richard Greaser honoring Bitcoin's creator, Peter Todd. Critics describe the music video as the intersection between the musical genius of Ludwig van Beethoven with the visual genius of Steven Spielberg. Now they have chosen the Bugle's groundbreaking show behind the music as their debut Bitcoin podcast to discuss their latest release.

2:23Richard Greaser Get ready to dive deep as the world's greatest journalists interview some of the brains behind the success of the world's greatest metal band.

3:34Rod Palmer Welcome to this edition of Behind the Music. The debut episode of Behind the Music. Today, I have joining me two very wonderful people. I've got metal star and a video genius who does all the incredible

3:52Rod Palmer video work for the I I would say the premier metal band of today, Scardust. Noah, how are you guys doing? Hello. Hello, GM.

4:06Noa Gruman Happy to be here. How are you?

4:10Rod Palmer Oh, I'm doing well. I've smoked, I think. It's morning here in The United States. I've I've already smoked about a pack and a half of cigarettes. Got another pack and a half to go for the rest of the day. But, no, I've just been sitting here jamming to Scardust. It's it's it's it's rough because, you know, I I have to listen to forty hours of Bitcoin podcasts a week. And I've been distracted because I can't help but listening to forty hours of Stardust a week as well. So it's, I feel I feel like my workload has increased dramatically

4:45Rod Palmer over the last couple weeks. Oh, wow.

4:48Lahav That's the worst thing Scardust has ever done to somebody. We're in their forty ashamed. Well, the So, yeah, I

4:54Rod Palmer doing their forty hours. Yeah. So so you're saying Scardust listens to forty hours of Bitcoin's podcast a week?

5:02Noa Gruman Yeah. I mean, what what could be more important? I think I mean, as a musician, you know, I work in music. So when I don't listen to music, what other things

5:13Lahav are there, really? There's only forty hours left to do. And in the car, I don't break from rehearsals. You have to get in your forty hours. It's really tough. I I can see why you are struggling with the SCARDIST and forty hours.

5:28Rod Palmer It's a tough one. Yeah. I mean, there there's all these, like, tactics you can use to, you know, cram the both in. So I do a lot of writing, and it's kinda distracting to listen to Bitcoin podcasts as I write. You know what I mean? So that's like one of the great opportunities to listen to listen to Scardust. I feel like it just amplifies my writing skills quite a bit. I've always found that to be the case with metal. For me, metal music is very similar to classical music as far as like the strong the song structures. It gets me in the in the zone. It it feels like it increases my creativity quite a bit whereas other other types of music don't as much.

6:10Rod Palmer But yeah, so starting off the interview, I wanna talk about your song rip that just came out. It's a very good song. I played it in the intro. There is a music video that goes along with it that features a lot of Bitcoin themes and and it's credited to Satoshi Nakamoto to Peter Todd.

6:31Lahav Yeah. He did everything on that video. Yeah. I mean, that's super cool.

6:35Rod Palmer Yeah. I think there's there's two segments or two parts to go off of this. So there's the the song itself that I like to hear a little bit about the inspiration of and then the music video as well. What what led Skardos to want to make a music video about Bitcoin in the first place?

6:55Noa Gruman I did. Okay. The song is about separating with somebody for their own sake and people can relate to it and on many levels. It could be a romantic story. It could be about some someone who died or friend, any basically any relationship that is, you know, breaking off for the other person's

7:18Noa Gruman sake. We were brainstorming ideas for what kind of music video would fit this concept, and we didn't want to go with the obvious and the or the cliche. Yeah. Their relationship cliche. It's just And and then Lahore had this epiphany.

7:35Lahav One of one of my rules for for making, music videos is not to do a literal, anything literal. So relationships is, off the table, and I wouldn't do something cliche kitchen literal. And, it took it took at least two weeks of of brainstorm to just have it, you know, just click.

7:57Lahav This is about Satoshi leaving. He was with us for, like, two years. No. Four years ish. Three and something. But then he had to leave, and he did the most heartbreaking thing I could imagine anybody could ever do for the sake of us having Bitcoin, real Bitcoin, not some stupid thing that can be changed.

8:21Lahav And by him leaving and in my opinion, destroying himself, basically, which is all the death metaphors in the song, the persona of Satoshi, I mean, Peter. I mean, Nick, I mean, never mind. It's killing off your own persona with all the credit involved and probably

8:43Lahav all of your keys drilling into your hard drives and continuing on in life without anybody knowing so fits. And if you read the lyrics for the song, it's hard to listen to because to hear them when you when you're not in front of the lyrics because of her growling,

8:59Noa Gruman their amazing growls. I thought you you were saying that it's it's hard to listen to it while listening to forty hours. Oh, that's also very difficult. But

9:09Lahav but if you sit down with the lyrics and listen to the song, you can actually see it's about Satoshi. They didn't even realize. And then it came to me. So, yeah, we did our own depiction of a cool locksmith hacker, painter, artist,

9:29Lahav metal Satoshi Nakamoto having to leave. And we used real historic communications and a lot of Bitcoin Easter eggs in this very high budget music video.

9:44Noa Gruman Let's see if you can spot all of them. We can talk about them as well. And

9:49Lahav I hope more Bitcoiners notice this and

9:54Rod Palmer dig into it. I do think it's pretty incredible. You know, Satoshi gave away I mean, think about how many Bitcoin podcasts Satoshi could have gone on.

10:06Lahav How many conferences? Exactly. I knew. Wow. Mhmm. So many hours. And it's a million hours. Way more than 40 per week. A million a million hours probably by by now. We just drilled into it. Although, maybe he has done some podcasts, and we just don't know about it, which is why we should give forty hours per week listening to podcasts because you you never know, baby. You're listening to Satoshi. That is a good point.

10:34Rod Palmer So, yeah, I'm I got the music video pulled up. So it starts out with, man sitting in a in a dark room with some computers in the background. It's got the Yeah. The Times article. Chancellor on the brink of the second bailout of banks.

10:53Lahav The real real copy of the real copy of the paper, by the way. One of them, one of the eight. I mean, maybe. Not really. The real one maybe drowned in a boating accident. But, yes, we have some real real stuff there on that video. I mean, we had to give it back, but Satoshi lent us some stuff. You know? He even painted his own painting of Michael Sailor. Everybody knows Satoshi invented Michael Sailor. We had an actual painting Satoshi painted of Michael Sailor doing there is no second best acid

11:24Lahav meme, you know. And he donated

11:28Rod Palmer it to the video. We gave it back. Yeah. I'm trying to go through and and look for the Easter eggs. There's a lot of quick cut scenes.

11:35Lahav Mhmm. It's very so it's a metal. Let me see. Computers themselves I mean, everything is supposed to be historical historically accurate. I mean, apart from maybe the Bitcoin magazines we have on his table, but, the computers themselves are from 2011. The hardware, everything. He has a mini disc on his table. He listens to met to his metal on mini disc.

11:56Rod Palmer Everybody knows Satoshi used to listen to metal on mini disc. I mean, I think Satoshi would have to listen to metal to be inspired enough to create something like Bitcoin. I think there's only For sure. What type of metal bands do you think Satoshi listened to primarily? You guys weren't around. I think you started in 2015, correct? So you weren't around quite at that

12:19Lahav point.

12:19Noa Gruman Probably Prague Dream Theater. Right?

12:24Lahav Math metal. That's Satoshi with metal. It's hard to tell. Probably, Scardust. I mean, everybody knows he used to listen to Scardust. Even before I

12:34Noa Gruman mean,

12:35Lahav he painted our album covers. It's like Oh, yeah. He did paint them in the video.

12:40Noa Gruman Mhmm. In the video, he painted all our album covers.

12:44Lahav Yeah. And then there as Easter eggs as well. Everybody knows Satoshi was an artist. I mean, there's no debate about that. He also knew how to pick clocks. Did it for fun.

12:55Rod Palmer How do you know that?

12:56Lahav You can see it in the video. It's just his hobby. So one of the Easter eggs you have here is,

13:03Rod Palmer was this Bitcoin talk or was this an email where he's writing, it would be nice to get this attention and any other.

13:11Lahav That's probably, in my opinion, the post he did on Bitcoin Talk. And because of this post, I mean, this was his way of saying I need to to get out of here. Mhmm. And WikiLeaks has kicked the hornet's nest. The swarm is headed towards her is is when, Assange started getting, Bitcoin when they closed all his bank accounts. And that gave the first headlines about Bitcoin, and I think that's when Satoshi decided he needs to f off. And then he started his last communications everywhere. And then in my opinion, that's how I see it. Yeah. That's a really important part of Bitcoin history.

13:48Rod Palmer You know, I I consider myself, you know, a peer of Julian Assange. I've got a lot of respect. Is that John Galt journalism, not quite at his level yet, but I hope to be some point in the future. But he really was a pioneer when it came to giving Bitcoin a use case of, of showing that. Mhmm.

14:13Rod Palmer Very non compliant journalism. That's one of the reasons why I have a lot of respect for Assange. These Easter eggs are difficult because they're so quick. I just skipped over it twice. I actually forgot or didn't have time

14:27Lahav while we were filming to put in the Silk Road Easter egg. There was one ready, but we just didn't have time. It was a crazy day. We had 20 people on set. We had two hour delay,

14:39Rod Palmer huge crew. So that was neglected, sadly. But yeah. You have the the the next Easter egg that I see, and I might be skipping over some. But, the next one I see about forty four seconds in is BitcoinTalk, where it's talking about Gavin

14:53Lahav visiting the, CIA. Underneath that post, by the way, is the first comment on Bitcoin Talk for that Satoshi post is, Manny Rosenfeld. He's also for a split second, you can see his name on the screen. He's actually there. We know this guy. He's pioneer in Israel. He was there in Bitcoin from the beginning. He is not Satoshi, he would say, but he's a really, really good person. He

15:20Lahav has the IBA, the Israeli Bitcoin Association. He has actually sped stepped down from public work after ten or twelve years of being the Bitcoin face here. But he was the first one to respond to that. And, yes, and Satoshi posted that on Bitcoin Talk, and I believe he already knew.

15:42Lahav I mean, I mean, Gavin posted that on Bitcoin talk. I'm sorry. I believe Satoshi already knew that Gavin was gonna do that. That's what I meant. Right? It's it's Gavin's post. So I think, Satoshi already knew before Gavin posted that, and that's why he was in a hurry. Because Gavin posted that, if I'm not mistaken, after Satoshi has already disappeared Mhmm. Or right

16:08Lahav around that time. So they probably talked about it between them. I mean, it's a speculation, but that's what I'm going with in the video. I mean, that's the story we're telling. Yeah. I mixed them up. I'm not in front of it. Yeah. I What else?

16:26Rod Palmer It's an interesting post to include in the music video. You know, one one of the challenges that the Beagle has been combating is that the media is very controlled by the CIA, and we've been trying to push back against that as much as possible. And it's it is interesting to see the conflict in Bitcoin's history is this post was probably one of the things that spooked the spooked spooked Mhmm. Satoshi away from Bitcoin.

16:56Lahav So I believe it did spook them, but I think it already spooked them before it was even published to me. That's my point there. Sure.

17:05Rod Palmer Yeah. I think it's funny that Gavin says, I'll be paid a one time fee of $3,000 to cover my expenses and pay me for my time, but I don't want any Gavin's on the CIA payroll rumors to get started. And then Manny Brosenfeld tells him that he should ask for payment in Bitcoin. Should have asked for for payment in forty hours per Bitcoin, but

17:28Lahav didn't exist back then.

17:30Rod Palmer Yep. I mean, one of one of the ways that, you know, I kinda root out the spooks is by I think somebody's a spook and they're trying to offer me payment as I I I tell them to pay me in cigarettes and they they don't want they don't ever wanna do that. You you can kinda root somebody out that way if they're willing to transact non KYC cigarettes. But we do know those spooks use cryptocurrencies, specifically Benera, very frequently.

17:57Rod Palmer So, Noah, I wanna hear a little bit about the background of the song. So you're talking about leaving somebody so who wrote this? Was this you that wrote this one? Or,

18:08Noa Gruman was this Or? It was mainly me, I'd say, but then we kind of developed it together first with Or and then with, with the rest of the band. Yeah. And it was influenced by actually not just one story, but, the general concept of leaving someone for their own sake. And,

18:31Noa Gruman I had this riff in my mind. It was not supposed to be anything Middle Eastern, but it was just supposed to be like a heavy guitar riff. But as soon as Ol heard it, he heard a Turkish string orchestra

18:48Noa Gruman playing this riff. And then we decided to kinda make this, you know, sort of Middle Eastern Oriental metal

18:59Noa Gruman Prague extravaganza thing. And then we invited a Turkish string orchestra to join

19:08Noa Gruman and play with us. So it became kind of like a whole new style for us to explore.

19:15Rod Palmer Is it one you think you'll, continue on with going forward or

19:21Noa Gruman maybe. I mean, we like to explore different things. Yeah. I think they're like, you know, obviously Middle Eastern influences, but also a lot of Western like classical jazz.

19:35Noa Gruman Like, we like to explore many, many things. So I I don't think I'll ever say no to to anything when it comes to music. As long as it's good.

19:46Rod Palmer As long as it's good. Yeah. I mean, this really is a fascinating, song and music video because it really does go through early Bitcoin history. And I think a lot of people don't, they get into Bitcoin, that listen to there's kind of like a hero's journey when it comes to getting into Bitcoin, right? Where

20:09Rod Palmer people get interested in NGU, which leads them to Bitcoin podcast, which leads them to Bitcoin history. But the the amount of work and context to really appreciate the value of video like this, there's a lot of work that goes behind it.

20:28Lahav Yes. I have noticed, nobody who's in Bitcoin from 2017 onwards even understands what the video is about, in my opinion. They should should do their homework. They have to listen to forty hours per week? Yeah. I mean, I think you only listen to forty hours per week once you've

20:50Lahav reached the point, you finished your shit coining phase. And, yeah, maybe the forty hours per week that the podcast these days are I mean, the podcast is themselves are a bit noobish sometimes.

21:08Noa Gruman That's why you have to I actually had a question about it. Does it count if you listen to Shitcoin podcasts No. As a, you know, as a learning experience

21:18Lahav No. Not as a No. It it kills your brain cell. It's not it it doesn't count as a as a part of your forty hours. Not in my opinion. No. It it I mean, it it deducts

21:29Rod Palmer hours. It's like a penalty. Yeah. I I I feel like listening to Shirkcoin podcast is kinda like vaping or smoking menthol cigarettes. It doesn't really count. Yeah. That's a good analogy. So it is funny. So the the music video ends with Satoshi taking a drill and and drilling through some hard drives and then, and then there's a little Easter egg of a Michael Sailor, kind of a goofy photo of him in the background.

21:56Lahav It's Satoshi himself painted. Yes. Everybody knows Satoshi invented Michael Sailor. What is this painting? It looks like a mother

22:04Rod Palmer holding hands with her child. You can kind of barely see. I can share my screen so you know what I'm talking about. So I know what you're talking about. That was the

22:14Lahav original concept idea. Basically, Satoshi is, destroying his persona to move on to other things, as he said in one of the emails one of the last emails he to Mike, hernia. But yeah. So what are other things? I mean,

22:34Lahav if he realized that the spooks are on him or he has to kill the persona, maybe he has a wife and child, maybe he wants the wife and child, maybe maybe he's going back to his old life, maybe he wants a different life, maybe he wants a family. I mean, that's his painting. A family. I mean, that's he's painting

22:52Lahav his deepest desires to get him through this, I mean, character suicide, I guess. So it's open to interpretation if it's him and his mother, him as a child going back to his old life or maybe his family going back to them. But, that's the that's the idea. That's his last painting after painting Michael Sailor and all the artist artwork. He was an artist. Very cool.

23:21Rod Palmer So in talking with you before the interview over the last few weeks, you guys have been into Bitcoin for some time. Stardust tours all over the place. You've participated in music, competitions

23:36Rod Palmer in Asia and in Europe. You talked to a lot of musicians. Do you see an overlap in interest with Bitcoin, or are you guys kind of an anomaly when it comes to this? And and do you try to do you try to orange peel

23:52Rod Palmer other people, or,

23:55Lahav or you just kinda keep it to yourself? I'll just say I'm not a musician. I'm not from Skardust, the band. I'm not part of it. I'm just, I don't even know how to describe it. I'm a I'm a Shoutaf. I mean Partner? Partner. I I do stuff with them, and I think I mean, people in Skardust are OG Bitcoiners,

24:18Lahav but I think I'm the eccentric, orange billing part of it. I had I had a deal with them with the band where I I can rent out I mean, I don't rent out, but some of the payments I get is is real estate space on their laptop that is on stage for putting on stickers, Bitcoin stickers. So I mean, this kind of thing. So and I try to

24:45Lahav throw in some, Bitcoin sticker shots and everything I do, with them.

24:52Rod Palmer But, yeah, they they are. I mean But you you you tour with the band. You do a lot of video for them. When I'm called upon.

24:60Lahav When I'm called upon, yes. Mostly in Europe though, escardists have yet to

25:06Noa Gruman conquer

25:07Lahav The US. The USA. The West.

25:11Noa Gruman We'll get there. But to answer your question, I don't really orange pill people that much. I think only when I'm asked and then I give an honest answer. And I think it's actually easier to orange pill metalheads because I feel that bitcoin and metal kind of share

25:34Noa Gruman a lot. They have a lot in common in terms of the freedom act. Metal allows you to express yourself fully, Bitcoin does. And for me personally as a musician found myself like doing

25:51Noa Gruman deciding to go at a path where I devote my life, my entire life

26:01Noa Gruman to something I really wholeheartedly fully believe in, even though other people kept, you know, telling me like, why,

26:12Noa Gruman why, first of all, why have you chosen to be a musician? This is not a real profession. And once they realize that okay I am a musician, why metal? Nobody likes metal. It's a niche. Nobody listens to metal. It will never you will never succeed

26:33Noa Gruman as a metal musician. Prog metal? Are you insane?

26:39Lahav I have mental issues. What's this crazy coin you're on about metal prog? But I've always believed that, you know,

26:48Noa Gruman you know, what I do truly allows me to express myself without any limits or boundaries. So I just went for it. And despite, you know, everything that everyone kept saying to me And I feel like with Bitcoin, it's just exactly the same.

27:07Noa Gruman Mhmm. I believe in this and, you know, I make sure to dive deep, listen to the forty hours per week so I can fully understand what I'm doing. Same as, you know, practicing forty hours on my piano or or whatever. And, make sure I really know what I what I do.

27:32Noa Gruman Stand by what I do. And, I think it's going into Bitcoin for me was so natural because it just Do musicians even have finances or savings or anything? No. But I mean I mean, in terms of of a mindset, it just fits right into this mindset. It's a solution to a lot of things. I think you you just,

27:54Lahav quoted the the end of Matrix without even noticing, and you haven't even watched it more than once. Like, world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries. A world where anything is possible. It's metal, frog metal, and Bitcoin. Where we go from there is a choice that you have to do. That's the end of the matrix. It's very cool. So yeah, it's it's all very similar. It's all the same world. That's why, I mean, I'm not a musician, but in my, I mean, upbringing, I just gravitated towards metal. And when I heard Skardust, I I was hooked as well. I'm really grateful for the people

28:29Lahav who are also Bitcoiners who introduced me to Scardust two years ago. Definitely. Yeah.

28:35Rod Palmer I've experienced freedom through metal personally. And I I would consider Bitcoin, it's it's kinda like the financial mosh pit. You know what I mean? Like, you or when you know, I'm sure a lot of our listeners have never experienced Perfect. Yeah. I'm sure a lot of our listeners, they've never experienced the wonders of being in a mosh pit.

28:56Lahav Almost broke a rib once. Yeah.

28:58Noa Gruman You should try it.

29:01Rod Palmer Talking But I mean, what what's incredible about being in a mosh pit is, you know, you're in there, you're depending on the type of music. I think the type of music influences the type of mosh pit you are, the the the heavier the metal, the fatter and and more intense the people in the mosh pit are. So, you know, if you're a little guy like Alex Fetzky, you know, you should probably be going to lighter metal concerts, little, but, you know, the metal core screamo

29:30Noa Gruman with the Avenged Sevenfold.

29:33Rod Palmer Yeah. Yeah. Avenged Sevenfold or, like, Bullet for my Valentine or, you know, somebody like that. Not necessarily Lamb of God or August Burns Red. But, you know, when you're in the mosh pit, you get knocked down on the ground. People stop and they pick you up. They don't trample you. You know what I mean? It is a place where there's not necessarily rules being enforced by, I mean, depending on the venue, the security typically isn't right there on you, but it's like a self governing

30:03Rod Palmer ecosystem in a way, that you can experience a lot of freedom and you can you can dance like a goofball and and look really goofy, but you just, you know, you have this very intense music that just like coursing through your veins. And what I've experienced is just this feeling of of being so alive during that process. And I think for for many, you know, that that are experiencing this, they

30:31Rod Palmer they seek out metal music, metal concerts specifically because we're in a society of people that don't listen to Bitcoin podcasts, that don't read Ayn Rand, that, you know, live very boring and meaningless lives. And they're just kinda like stuck in the rat race and they just wanna feel something. And I feel

30:53Rod Palmer like for so many, Bitcoin is a solution. Like my background, I used to work in traditional media and, you know, you would you would get your,

31:05Rod Palmer you would get your marching orders from your superiors to go write some sort of nonsensical fiat piece about nothing that was all propaganda and presented as news. And I almost died of alcoholism from that because it was such a miserable experience. And that was the only way to do that. And and leaving that ecosystem

31:25Rod Palmer into reporting on topics that matter, such as Bitcoin, was really life giving. And I that that's the way I see kind of the overlap between metal and Bitcoin. I'm curious, if you wanna expand on that a little bit more.

31:42Lahav It's very interesting. First of all, I do agree that in the metal shows, I mean, the authorities aren't there. It's like a it's like a known thing. I mean, they leave it with the venue and the cards there to just be self governing, and they're like, we'll deal with you later. Just KYC or something. I don't know. But, yeah, they do give you some freedom for the for the time of the show. Feels like that.

32:10Lahav And, yeah, I There is a sense of trust. There is a sense of trust. And there is a sense of community. I sometimes lose lose it at the the venue guards. This this they sometimes are fiat minded people as well. You won't see a 30 figure real one, I mean, in a in a in a metal show.

32:28Noa Gruman But Most most metal concerts, like most metal fans are just, you know, nice little care bears. Yeah. Geeks with, Who just wanna, you know, express themselves and Yeah. Like you said, it's it's the those, you know, these extreme emotions

32:50Noa Gruman that need a platform.

32:52Lahav And I and I can really relate with the second part. I also used to work in media and propaganda, and I was looking for meaning in life. And I found an actual solution after, you know, after all the the hardship and the being lost, and and you you stumble upon Bitcoin, and it and it makes sense. And it gives you that, just like like the music.

33:17Rod Palmer Yeah. Yeah. I would say mosh pits, they're they're a lot like, Bitcoin meetups, you know, where, you know, somebody comes into the mosh pit and starts, like, throwing punches or something, but everybody turns on them and sticks together and and and roots them out. System. Yeah. You got a shitcoiner. You come you got a shit corner that comes and starts talking about XRP in the meetup. It's it's the same thing. They get they get handled pretty thoroughly.

33:41Noa Gruman Also, like, you know, from an educational point of view, I've studied in a lot of academies and with a lot of teachers and in many different with many different methods and, I think like that there's the fiat minded

33:57Noa Gruman methods and academies that tell you you cannot do this or this or this, like, you cannot sing this loud, you cannot use this vocal effect, you cannot use this dynamic range. And then there are the methods that tell

34:17Noa Gruman you do whatever the you want and I would lean more towards those. And it was only when I realized what can be done in music, what can be done with the voice, what can be done with, you know, compositions and arrangements and whatnot, that I've decided to start a progressive metal band because it allowed me to, okay I can fully express myself now, and I feel exactly the same when it comes to

34:46Noa Gruman the solution that Bitcoin gives, if that makes sense. Well, it it feel like

34:53Rod Palmer there's all these bands that are kind of trending in the same direction. Like you listen to like fallout boy today, or I forgot what the other one was. That was kind of like emo rock like that, but they're all trending in the same direction. They all sound the same. And what I find interesting about you guys is incredibly different. Like, I have yet to see any other band really put out a Bitcoin theme music video. And I almost feel like that's it's kind of risky in some ways because it it is polarizing.

35:25Lahav Yeah. Yeah. We had to be brave. You you always have to be brave if you wanna do something meaningful. And also, you have to be confident. Like, you understand something. It's the other 80% who doesn't. But you understand it, so nothing they can say

35:43Noa Gruman mean makes sense if you understand something that they don't. Yeah. I also think, like, this video, we're not sharing any opinion. We're just presenting

35:51Lahav a story. Well, I did throw in that there is no second fucking best sailor. That's an Easter egg. But yeah. I actually think, some of the old punk rock bands, maybe not Fall Out Boy, but some of them did have the good messaging. I mean, I grew up on that. Probably did a good job raising me. Yeah.

36:13Rod Palmer For sure. I hope they're I hope they found Bitcoin. You would think there would be an overlap, but we're we're seeing, like, bans like rage against the machine turn into rage for the vaccine. Yeah. What the fuck? But I do I do think this is like a real opportunity right now to use music as a as a method to really present a message that that matters and resonates with people. And I think that's one of the things that's that's very disappointing with a lot of the mainstream music today is it I don't think it's doing that. It just doesn't do it for me. It's very rare

36:48Rod Palmer that I'll find a like, they a lot of them exist out there for sure, but I I do think it's rare, and that's what makes it so valuable when somebody does.

36:58Lahav There's so much Fiat music out there. It's more than 80%

37:02Rod Palmer Fiat music, and I hate Fiat music. Yeah. I I I don't listen to the radio anymore.

37:08Noa Gruman Yeah. Me neither. Yes. I listen to forty hours. There is no time to listen to the radio. Yeah. Yeah. Forty hours beats radio every day.

37:17Rod Palmer Well, I wanna I wanna play, a little bit clip from, your song My Haven, which is, I believe, another recent

37:27Lahav release. Correct? Yes. Yeah. It's from the new album that's about to come out. Yes. Which way? Amazing. I've heard it. It's really, really good, and it's not out yet. The world

38:31Rod Palmer So I hold your hand tight as I shout. Yeah. What so first of all, what what did the writing process for this song look like?

38:39Noa Gruman What was the name? Very similar to very similar to Rip. I came up with the initial with the initial lyrics, the initial idea, and then we kind of developed it together. It's about keeping your seed safe. No. Should I go should I go into it?

38:55Lahav I mean, should we should we? It's, it was influenced by events, real events. Yeah. Well, I mean history it's about Bitcoin as well, but, it's also like an Israeli thing.

39:08Noa Gruman It's, it's a response well, okay. So the lyrics are written in a way that I hope everyone can relate to with, you know, having a safe haven

39:23Noa Gruman because very often our safe haven is not perfect. Whether, you know, it's our home or our partner or our pet or, you know, a mountain, whatever. Whatever is your safe haven, it's often not a perfect place, but it's still the place where you feel the safest.

39:48Noa Gruman You feel like it's, you know, your own and you can you can be yourself there and you can feel safe there. But it was triggered by a response to people not realizing why we need Israel. And it it was, you know, kind of fueled by the October 7 events and people not realizing why

40:11Noa Gruman we need this place at all. So it was kind of a response to that. I felt like, you know, I, I travel the world, but I always have to hide my passport.

40:27Noa Gruman I don't want people to know where I'm from. I speak English abroad. I don't dare to speak my own language because I'm afraid I don't feel safe, you know? So this is actually here where I live in Israel is the only place where I actually feel safe despite, you know, everything that is going on. Some place where you don't have to opt sick

40:50Lahav Yeah. I guess. I mean, as Anne Brin and Rita and so to speak anarchist, I would think that I mean, I would challenge some of these ideas, but yeah, basically, not country itself, but the place where you can keep your seed safe and you don't have to OPSEC. I mean, maybe,

41:12Lahav in my opinion, I would relate to that in that way. Yeah. But to each their own. Yeah. The Yeah. The topic of,

41:20Rod Palmer of Israel and and Jews in general has become very controversial. I think more so recently than prior. You know, my my stance on it personally is I I see a lot of value

41:33Rod Palmer in Jewish people for multiple reasons. One of the primary reasons is because I want good movies and TV shows. And we've seen a steep decline in Hollywood with this DEI policies,

41:47Rod Palmer which you know, has been an attempt to get the Jews out of Hollywood. And what it has resulted is

41:53Lahav bad movies, bad TV shows. Haven't thought about it like that, but, yeah, that makes sense. Yes. Yeah. And,

42:02Rod Palmer I mean, I think that, you know, the context I come from, I dealt with, American Jews a lot, which is definitely very different than Israeli Jews. And that's something I've been learning about recently.

42:15Lahav So almost as if it doesn't matter.

42:18Rod Palmer What do you mean?

42:19Lahav I mean, if you're true or not, you're just different people. It's just the, I guess, the culture or something. Yeah. I don't know.

42:27Rod Palmer Well, there there's definitely a lot of different cultural nuances here. So, like, you know, for one, as far as I've seen, Israeli Jewish women are hot. American Jewish women, not so much. It's damn sixteens on your back and the loose pants, I guess. Mhmm. I'm curious. So, like, I I definitely have some anarchist tendencies as well. I kinda if I were to ascribe ideology to myself, I'd call myself a cigarette capitalist. But so what what is it like to to live in

42:57Rod Palmer the the state of Israel being an anarchist?

42:60Lahav What's that like? I told them crazy for since I remember. Since I, found Bitcoin, I guess. Found. I mean, understood. You don't really find it. You just understand it, and it's

43:14Lahav matter of luck when you understand it. I mean, it's not something you have to believe in if you understand that it what it is. Just it's just a fact. Mhmm. So, it changes you, and, everybody thinks you're crazy. But, they can, have fun staying poor. Jose,

43:33Rod Palmer I'm sure it's a pretty unpopular

43:35Lahav viewpoint to have living over there. I mean, I surrounded myself with the community that it is popular in it, but the wider I mean, most people in Israel are NPCs in my opinion.

43:51Lahav And it does people. Yeah. Most people everywhere. I mean, it doesn't really matter if you're Jewish or not. If you're either an MPC and you're under don't understand stuff or you're not. Yes. I I find it really, really annoying that some non MPC people turn into MPC people because they want to, murder me for not doing anything and just being alive, and I cannot help being born. So that that's annoying, and that violates the

44:19Lahav NAP, I would guess. That's how you call it. Mhmm. Which is the option. No aggression principle. Yeah. So that's just my experience here. Also the regulation, it's a demon to fight, but at least I don't have to OPSEC, something that I have no control over

44:40Lahav Mhmm. Here, I guess. It's just default and not to be it is very dangerous anyway, so that's, but it's a it's a statistics thing, But that's just me. I mean,

44:53Rod Palmer other people have other opinions. Yeah. I mean, I I think one of the biggest challenges is, I'm inferring a little bit based on what you're describing, which is individuals get caught in the crossfire of the machinations of governments and and other powerful individuals with agendas,

45:12Rod Palmer and there's not really a whole lot of choice in it. And so, like, no. And I hear you describe, like, hiding your passport or when you travel abroad and not wanting to share, I mean, that's not really a representation. I or at least the way I'm hearing it, it's not really a representation of the decisions you've made.

45:31Lahav Mhmm. Yeah. It's just you can't help it. I mean, we're just Yeah. Born.

45:38Rod Palmer Mhmm.

45:39Lahav It's not your fault. And and and you haven't done anything. And and it's just a collective kind of view, which is so stupid in my opinion. Hating people for a collective name tag. Yes. And I bet these people don't listen to forty hours of Bitcoin podcasts per week, which makes them so stupid.

46:03Rod Palmer Well, if they did, they'd realize quite a few of the podcasters are Jewish as well.

46:07Lahav Oh, yeah. Maybe. So,

46:09Rod Palmer you know, before we were recording this, one of the things that you mentioned to me is that you you guys had to run down to the bomb shelter for a little bit. I mean, that that's an interesting experience. I've never experienced anything like that. I bet there's some epic orange peeling opportunities and bomb shelters because you have a you have a captive audience.

46:26Lahav Yeah. In big cities. Yeah. You have a captive audience for ten minutes. It's like for a block. You have to stay there in the in the bomb shelter after the siren ends for ten minutes, which is exactly like, an average block time. So you have to orange peel people in the time of a of a block, and then it's over. So it's like a race. You can play a game, actually. And the may maybe every time I mean, every missile that comes, you get another block to to continue the pilling. Mhmm. But but how how does orange billing even help if people don't actually

47:01Lahav go home and listen to forty hours per week?

47:05Noa Gruman It's just beginning. A part of orange filling them,

47:10Lahav getting them I guess.

47:12Noa Gruman To listen to the forty hours.

47:14Lahav Otherwise So we need more war and more missiles to get more block time. It's like block space, but block time in the shelter with a captive audience. No, I used to own a shelter. I used to. Like a big shelter where she used to do all the rehearsals and her choir stuff. She used to get it, it on on lease or something. She just did had to pay the electricity and maybe volunteer in the community for some then she got this huge real estate of of a huge bomb shelter to do all the music in. Yeah. We wrote a lot of music there

47:49Noa Gruman in this shelter.

47:50Lahav Yeah. I mean, the War times. Yeah. Sorry.

47:54Rod Palmer I just think, like, you know, conflict and, adversity is really an opportunity to reach into yourself and and respond to it with creativity because it brings like a whole different level of depth and meaning. So Yeah. For sure.

48:10Rod Palmer This this song, My Haven. So, you know, dealing with all the, like, anxiety culturally and the the confusion and and conflict, like, what what things are this haven? What is the song,

48:25Noa Gruman you know, pointing to? This place, I guess. Yeah. The pre chorus says like we've been through hell and back obviously speaks about historical events and, calling our name as a symbol of shame, you know, historical events. Unfortunately, not just as historical it's, you know, it's happening now as well. And then the chorus, You Are My Haven

48:51Noa Gruman kind of invites the audience to participate so everyone can join in and shout their hearts out and every person can relate with, you know, their own haven in mind, I guess.

49:06Lahav Because everyone Music is objective,

49:09Noa Gruman I guess. Everyone has their own haven.

49:12Lahav It's a very crowded song to do in in live shows as well with the you.

49:18Noa Gruman Yeah. It's like a call and response thing. You. Yeah. Or this kinda.

49:26Lahav And then she explodes her voice.

49:29Rod Palmer I really look forward to experience it in person someday. It's one of my goals. Oh, very cool. So you have a new album coming out. We talked about doing an announcement of announcements. So the official announcement is coming out here a little bit.

49:44Noa Gruman Yep. Probably next month.

49:48Lahav Two weeks trademark.

49:50Rod Palmer Gosh. That that term's so triggering. I'm sure it's triggering for you guys too. Because, from what I remember, it sounds like Fauci robbed you of the ability to break into the American market. But, yeah, tell tell let's hear about the album.

50:04Noa Gruman Yeah. It's, coming out this year, probably around summer.

50:11Lahav It has a guest singer everybody knows about already. Yeah. It has a guest no. Nobody knows about it. Well, everybody was at the show knows about it.

50:19Noa Gruman Well, they know he sang at the show. They don't know he is in the album. Now you're spoiled. Everyone's surprised.

50:25Lahav So get the hype up already.

50:28Noa Gruman Yeah. Well, I mean, we have some exciting guests on the album. We have, singer, singer from from a very, very cool prog metal band. We have another guest violinist in one of the songs.

50:45Noa Gruman We have the Turkish orchestra in Rip. We have a whole choir featured in the entire album and on all the tracks.

50:52Lahav And an orchestra.

50:54Noa Gruman And a string quartet. Oh, and we have a a Jewish Arab orchestra featured in one of the tracks that is actually very cool. It's like an orchestra based in Tel Aviv.

51:11Noa Gruman Young people, half Arabs, half Jews, and, they played a song with us on the album. The album is, you know,

51:22Noa Gruman if if you're a Scardust fan, it will give you your favorite elements of, you know, the Disney metal aspect and the frogginess and the complexity of the music

51:36Noa Gruman with the poppy catchy choruses and the crowd sing alongs. It has it all. And also some masterpieces,

51:46Lahav which are just amazing. I mean

51:48Noa Gruman And and yeah. And if if, I mean, if you're just a a metal fan or a frog fan, you will have the big epos, the big, like, fifteen minutes piece that talks about the,

52:06Noa Gruman story of Pygmalion from the Greek mythology in three parts. And,

52:14Lahav It's really good. It's my favorite thing you've ever done.

52:18Noa Gruman Thank you. Yeah. You have the Disney ballad and you have the crazy Prague song with the heavy riffs and the growls. I think you have

52:30Rod Palmer all extremes on this album. And you said, is it coming out in April or you're just announcing it's coming out in April? The announcement of the announcement

52:38Noa Gruman will probably be announced in April. Just

52:42Rod Palmer build in just build in the

52:45Noa Gruman Well, it's not just up up up to us. Yeah. Because we, you know, we work with with the record label and, and social media stuff and, whatever. So

53:03Lahav it's not just up to us. It's a good point, actually. Before this album, they just signed with the Frontiers Records, which is an Italian a big Italian record label. Yeah. That's a big thing that happened, and then they did the album for them. So it should be a big

53:23Lahav thing. It's just taking its time because I have to announce all these announcements.

53:28Noa Gruman The label wanted to make sure that we, you know, that we get as much as possible out of their releases. They really wanted to release, you know, individual singles with

53:45Noa Gruman music videos and kind of spreading them over significant period. This was kind of their their strategy around this album.

53:57Rod Palmer Mhmm. Hope it works. Time will tell, I guess. Yeah. I'm excited to hear it come out. I'm kind of frustrated right now, though, because I feel like I'm getting teased. I'm frustrated even more for knowing that this exists and people can't hear it. Mhmm. But, well, there's a part about being a Bitcoiner, you know, is just having an attitude, a low time preference. We can be patient. Preference.

54:18Lahav Yeah. You have to be patient.

54:21Noa Gruman Exactly.

54:22Lahav It'll pump. The album will pump eventually. We've got to wait for the halving.

54:30Noa Gruman Yeah. Well, we found another similarity. Yeah. Eventually the album will pump. But it's not like pop because in pop you can, you know, you can work on a song. Coins. They they pump and dump. It takes you like two weeks to work on a song and then it has a really high peak

54:49Lahav and then people forget about it. Yeah. No. You're building for the long run. Long run. Yeah. Yes. We need we need the music music go up technology

54:59Rod Palmer is being built. I think one of the good things about working with an Italian record label is Italians like to smoke cigarettes. So they're they're typically a little ahead of the curve of some other cultures. Mhmm. They would, like, make you eat a lot of pizza and stuff. Or what's what's it like working with working with an Italian record label versus other cultures?

55:20Noa Gruman I mean, there were it feels like they're Israeli

55:23Lahav because we're so similar. Yeah. Israel and Italy is, like, really similar Very similar.

55:29Rod Palmer Dynamics. Lots of it's a cigarette smoking in Israel too. Yeah. Or what? And bad and bad drivers. Yeah. It's the same. Well, I I kinda wanna I I I gotta get a good answer. So, like, what's your speculation? Why are why are Israeli Jews so much hotter than American Jews? It's the m c walking ground

55:49Lahav in civilian clothes with an m 16 on your back. I mean, there is the the I mean, some girls get the and I'm not sure if even girls get the divorce because it's not hot. I mean, it's it's it's a superior firearm, but it's not as hot as an m 16 or an m four on your back, I think. That's what it is. And, also, maybe, most I mean, some Israeli women are not NPCs, I would think.

56:17Lahav There is maybe maybe they're the bigger demographic of non NPC women. I mean, they exist, of course. It's the 80% rule, but that would be my speculation.

56:31Rod Palmer That's unfortunate. Yeah. I mean, you know, there there's a very prevalent gun culture in The United States. But, as a kind of common stereotype, American Jewish women do not like guns very

56:42Lahav frequently. Yeah. Well, here, you have to or you or you get stabbed in the back, literally. Wish I had a gun. Guns are fun. Yeah. You can't get them here, I mean, if you're not in the army or whatever. Mhmm. Sometimes, if if you were it depends. It's it's a hard process. Mhmm. It's not like in The USA. Well,

57:04Rod Palmer closing out the episode, I'm gonna play, Arrowhead as the outro song. That's we were talking before. That's, I think, Lahav, you described that as gateway trip. Song. Yeah. It's a good fucking song.

57:18Lahav Mhmm.

57:19Rod Palmer Yeah. Yeah. Closing out, do you do you have any thoughts on that song, that you wanted to leave on?

57:27Noa Gruman Well, the lyrics are just temporary lyrics. I just took quotes from my ex boyfriend, and I placed them as, like, placeholder lyrics.

57:39Lahav And it's your best song. I mean, not the best song because the best songs are on the new album, but it's the gateway drug. I mean, it it hooks most people. It's a really good song, Arrowhead. Very cool.

57:52Rod Palmer Do you guys have any do you guys have any final thoughts? Well, I mean

57:58Lahav Yes. That means there was something we needed to share. I mean, Noel wanted to share, I think.

58:04Noa Gruman Did I? I just I I just, you know, wholeheartedly recommend to listen to. Forty hours

58:13Lahav per week. Forty hours I seek. Forty

58:26Lahav I'm worse per week. Forty I'm worse I

58:37Lahav seek, and that's just the start.

58:43Noa Gruman That's it. This is all I wanted to say.

58:47Rod Palmer Very cool. Well, thank you so much, Noah and Lahav for coming on the show. It was great to hear a bit about your music. It's giving me the opportunity to to poke and ask questions. I still don't think we have Thank you for having us. Think we have, I think the the question of why Israeli women are hotter than American Jews, we need to probably explore that a little bit more. But I'm excited to hear the new album.

59:15Lahav It's probably the hummus. I'm trying to think about, you know, what could it possibly be. It's the genome. It's all the gene pools. Everybody from all the world together. We we can explore it. Yes. I mean, people from all the world came here and reproduced and created the very beautiful, specimens.

59:32Rod Palmer It probably has to do with the adversity too. Like, there's a there's a little bit more of an adversarial environment. Good thing. There's no debate about it, though. I mean, it's a fact. I thought it was just a marketing ploy, and then I started doing some research on it and talking to some of my friends that have been to Israel quite a bit, and they they told me it was not a marketing ploy. But, yeah, I mean, the American Jewish women, they they grow up. I I think there's less seed oils over there. I think that's one thing. And maybe less corn syrup. Mhmm. Less corn syrup. Less hummus.

1:00:03Noa Gruman The hummus doesn't have any seedlings as well. Yes. I mean, the hummus is not real. More more olive oil. Anywhere other than Israel. It's not real hummus. You know?

1:00:13Lahav Debatable. But maybe. But it was a really, really big honor to be a part of someone's forty hours per week somewhere.

1:00:26Noa Gruman Yeah. That's like a dream come true. Yes. Thank you. Time is glorious what

1:00:30Unknown you're running for. Even if I offer my tunnel soul, I'm waiting for your mind to let you know. Only oral heart is what I'm aching for. I love it when you're looking. With your eyes finding me alone, I'm begging. Don't you go arrowhead pointed towards the sun. I'll be on the sky. It's where you're aiming. You don't know them. You don't know us. What's the rock? You're gonna have it

1:01:59Unknown Terrified with every step I take. I can do