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I mean, we're at the final four. This is the biggest year. Yeah. The most amount of votes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-40" data-t="40">ever cast</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-42">0:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-42" data-t="42">in Maxi Madness.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-44" data-t="44">The record</span> <span class="cue" id="t-45" data-t="45">shattered this year. It's been amazing, the engagement has been amazing, and it's been the biggest most dramatic yet. However,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-52" data-t="52">it has come to our attention that we want to be sympathetic to the fact that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-58" data-t="58">to any Bitcoins winning</span> <span class="cue" id="t-60" data-t="60">Maxi Madness has hurt some people's feelings and a lot of people have reached out and they have told us as much,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-67">1:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-67" data-t="67">they've expressed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-68" data-t="68">it very publicly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-70" data-t="70">a lot of scathing reviews of the pupil</span> <span class="cue" id="t-74" data-t="74">for from people who said that this has hurt their feelings. Wow.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-78" data-t="78">And that was never our intention.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-81" data-t="81">So I just I want to apologize</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-83">1:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-83" data-t="83">if if Teddy Bitcoin's winning Maxi Madness has hurt your feelings. And I I'm very sincere about that. This is the first opportunity for me to say that to someone, Kaz.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-93" data-t="93">I know that you're a fan of Maxie Madness. And so if if we have hurt your feelings,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-99" data-t="99">allowing 10 Bitcoins to get this far,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-103" data-t="103">I I apologize for that, but, yeah, we're talking to Kaz Biko,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-106" data-t="106">and a lot of you guys,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-108" data-t="108">may know him from he he works at Swan Bitcoin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-111">1:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-111" data-t="111">He's a Bitcoin miner from Oklahoma,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-114" data-t="114">and know, now he is building</span> <span class="cue" id="t-117" data-t="117">a an application</span> <span class="cue" id="t-119" data-t="119">for Bitcoin podcast listeners</span> <span class="cue" id="t-122" data-t="122">to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-123" data-t="123">revolutionize the user experience</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-125">2:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-125" data-t="125">and possibly be a fountain</span> <span class="cue" id="t-127" data-t="127">killer, a fountain disruptor. It's called Bubble FM. But, Taz,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-131" data-t="131">how are you doing today, sir?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-133" data-t="133">I'm good. Thanks, Rod. Thanks for having me on, guys. How how how how disappointed are you with with Maxi Madness this year? Did we hurt your feelings,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-142" data-t="142">by by not,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-144" data-t="144">you know, rolling back the bracket and disqualifying Teddy Bitcoins this year?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-149">2:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-149" data-t="149">No. I mean, this is, Bitcoin Maxis. Right? So we're not we're not Ethereum Maxis. We're not gonna roll back the chain. You guys are just, doing your journalistic jobs of putting it out there and letting people vote on it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-161" data-t="161">So in my eyes, you just included him and the people who've spoken. Yeah. I think it's</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-166">2:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-166" data-t="166">pretty clear the the market, for whatever reason,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-170" data-t="170">has chosen Teddi. It might be because the market is big fans of MicroStrategy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-174" data-t="174">stock, and, you know, Teddi is a big</span> <span class="cue" id="t-177" data-t="177">sim for Michael Sailor and for MicroStrategy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-179" data-t="179">But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-180" data-t="180">it it is interesting to watch. I mean, this is democracy in action,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-184">3:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-184" data-t="184">and we cannot reject the will of the people. That's for sure. What do you what do you Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-189" data-t="189">Go ahead. What do you think has like, do you have any,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-193" data-t="193">thoughts for for</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-195">3:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-195" data-t="195">you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-196" data-t="196">What did you want to weigh in Maxi Madness when this started? I'm personally team yellow.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-201" data-t="201">Team yellow. Yeah. Disappointing</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-203">3:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-203" data-t="203">to see that, yellow lost what was that? The sweet 16?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-207" data-t="207">Did he lose to pretty Bitcoins?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-209">3:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-209" data-t="209">Yeah. No. He lost in the elite aid. It was it was tough. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-213" data-t="213">10 Bitcoins, I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-217" data-t="217">people knew that there was some drama</span> <span class="cue" id="t-219" data-t="219">cooking up,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-221" data-t="221">in the meme region,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-223" data-t="223">the first day or two of Maxi Madness, and it was pretty rowdy. The Stackchain guys</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-228">3:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-228" data-t="228">were obsessed. I mean, it they they thorked off for Maxi Madness, and they created Stackchain,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-235" data-t="235">Madness</span> <span class="cue" id="t-236" data-t="236">because they were so upset. But, like, it didn't get really that far out. And then by the end of the weekend,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-243" data-t="243">it had it had blown up, and and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-245" data-t="245">Teddy Bitcoins threatened</span> <span class="cue" id="t-247" data-t="247">doctor Adam back.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-248">4:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-248" data-t="248">And nobody really thought that that would happen,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-251" data-t="251">but it did.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-252" data-t="252">And it woke people up,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-254" data-t="254">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-256" data-t="256">the plebs came out, like, most polls got, like, maybe a couple thousand votes. But, like, when people saw that Teddy Bitcoins was buying votes, like, yellow got, like, 20 some thousand votes or something like that. But plebs, like, showed up in force,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-269" data-t="269">and it wasn't enough.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-271">4:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-271" data-t="271">And so now people are just they're</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-273">4:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-273" data-t="273">really, really upset about it, and they think that we should not let Teddy Bitcoins defeat Lynn Olsen in the final four. Well, I mean, it wouldn't be a a Maxi Madness tournament if there weren't Maxis that were getting butthurt. So that's that's typical Bitcoin Twitter to see, people getting outraged about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-291" data-t="291">some meme. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-293" data-t="293">I'm personally a fan of the chaos.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-295" data-t="295">I'd like to see it continue.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-298" data-t="298">I wouldn't be surprised if he upsets Lynn.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-301" data-t="301">It's probably gonna be an MSTR madness where we're gonna have Michael Sailor versus, Teddy Bitcoins.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-307">5:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-307" data-t="307">Right. I I guess I I didn't understand the drama. Just like Teddy Bitcoins, he has Bitcoin in his name. He doesn't have it's not Teddy Crypto. It's Teddy Bitcoins.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-315" data-t="315">And then, you know, yeah, he sometimes tweets about MSTR, but like a lot of people do. It's, you mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-323" data-t="323">you go on what Bitcoin did, Preston Pich, like Saifedean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-327" data-t="327">you could go on any of these podcasts to talk about MSTR.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-330" data-t="330">Rabbit will recap any of them. It's fine. Like, why is Teddy Bitcoins,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-335" data-t="335">you know, not allowed to do that? It's just what do you do you think that there are some unfair standards</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-340">5:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-340" data-t="340">in the Bitcoin space and in the culture that some people get to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-345" data-t="345">use Tether and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-348" data-t="348">shit like that, and other people, they get, you know, chastised for it. Do you think there's double standards? Absolutely. I mean, there's a double standard with pretty much everything in Bitcoin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-357">5:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-357" data-t="357">This doesn't strike me as anything different.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-361" data-t="361">Yeah. I mean, I don't I don't have a lot to say. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-365" data-t="365">the people get to vote. You guys are putting on a democracy, and you guys are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-369" data-t="369">just putting it out there as</span> <span class="cue" id="t-372" data-t="372">a a media company, and you're letting people take their votes.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-376">6:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-376" data-t="376">So, hey, I I kinda like the chaos. Do you do you have any words of advice for those who have their feelings hurt for people like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-384" data-t="384">the Swan</span> <span class="cue" id="t-386" data-t="386">C suite who are very upset? Their feelings are very hurt</span> <span class="cue" id="t-389" data-t="389">by Teddy Bitcoin's winning.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-392">6:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-392" data-t="392">I'd say touch grass. Get off the Internet, like, if you're getting your feelings hurt about a a meme bracket. Yeah. Yeah. I I heard that,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-400">6:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-400" data-t="400">I heard a rumor that Swan's HR department,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-406" data-t="406">was advising the entire c suite of Swan Bitcoin to, take a mental health day.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-412" data-t="412">I think there's a few people that did take mental health days, so maybe they were actually going and touching grass this week. I can't. I can't tell I can't tell if you're being serious or not. We have we have breaking news</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-425">7:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-425" data-t="425">as we are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-426" data-t="426">having this interview with Kaz, Mikeo.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-429" data-t="429">Tenney Bitcoins is attempting to take Maxi Madness hostage.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-435" data-t="435">So this needs to be made aware. For he says proof</span> <span class="cue" id="t-438" data-t="438">of all my haters secretly love me or our break.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-441" data-t="441">I will step down from the Bitcoin bugle March Madness race if this address has 5,000,000 sats within the next twelve hours. And he posts a Bitcoin address. So if people donate 5,000,000 sats, he will</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-454">7:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-454" data-t="454">voluntarily step out of the race. This is breaking right now? This is breaking news. He just tweeted this. And I think that we should not give Teddy Bitcoins 5,000,000 sats.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-465" data-t="465">We should spend 5,000,000 sats</span> <span class="cue" id="t-467" data-t="467">to send bit Teddy Bitcoins home on our terms. But, yeah, he's he's trying to take it hostage right now.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-474">7:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-474" data-t="474">What if he gets 5,000,000 sats and doesn't step down?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-478">7:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-478" data-t="478">That's exactly what I'm saying. Right? Like, what if he gets 5,000,000 sats, doesn't step down, and still</span> <span class="cue" id="t-485" data-t="485">eats Lynn Alden and Michael Saylor?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-488" data-t="488">Then what?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-490" data-t="490">What does the winner get? Oh, Big Axe. It's a big tie stakes, but that's not the winner of the tournament. No. Excuse me. The winner of the bracket,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-499">8:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-499" data-t="499">prediction. The win the winner of the bracket or the winner of the tournament gets eternal glory.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-505">8:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-505" data-t="505">Alright.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-506" data-t="506">That's all. Yeah. So Teddy Bitcoins will have the eternal glory. He will have Ben. He will you know, everybody's called talks about Sailor. He's a hero. Teddy Bitcoins will slay his hero in Maxi Madness. Do we have the address? I'm gonna have to pull this up and look at it in mempool. Yeah. We're gonna have to watch it live throughout the interview. Well, yeah, pull it to mempool. I I think buying,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-528">8:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-528" data-t="528">buying votes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-530" data-t="530">will be significantly less expensive. Okay. Here's the address. It has zero sets right now.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-537" data-t="537">Keep an eye on it. Yeah. We'll keep an eye throughout the interview. So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-541" data-t="541">yeah. So, Kaz,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-544" data-t="544">one of the reasons why I like Fountain</span> <span class="cue" id="t-546" data-t="546">so much</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-548">9:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-548" data-t="548">is because the UX is bad. I think this is really important, you know, for a Bitcoin podcasting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-554" data-t="554">app.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-555" data-t="555">You want the UX to be bad because you want it to feel authentic. Right? You wanted the users</span> <span class="cue" id="t-562" data-t="562">of the product to feel like they're part of the revolution. You want them</span> <span class="cue" id="t-566" data-t="566">struggling with the UX,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-568" data-t="568">having technical difficulties</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-570">9:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-570" data-t="570">frequently,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-571" data-t="571">struggling to set the the payment splits,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-575" data-t="575">all the stuff like that. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-577" data-t="577">are you concerned that you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-579" data-t="579">with your new product bubble,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-582" data-t="582">could create a product with good UX and kinda take away from the revolution? Absolutely. Yeah. So</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-588">9:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-588" data-t="588">I mean, it wouldn't be,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-589" data-t="589">a Bitcoin podcasting app without struggling through the UX hurdles that Bitcoin just natively experiences.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-597" data-t="597">So that's how we're trying to disrupt it. We we see ourselves kind of like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-602" data-t="602">I don't know, a micro strategy version of Bitcoin. You know, the UX is just a little bit easier for the normies.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-609" data-t="609">You know, you don't have to that I mean, this is probably why Teddy Bitcoins isn't gonna get any sats in this wallet because most of these people probably don't even know how to send them Bitcoin. Like, they're probably trying to open, like, their share account or something, send a micro strategy to this Bitcoin address, and it's not gonna work out. So we're kinda trying to make it a little bit easier on the UX side,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-630">10:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-630" data-t="630">for the dumber Bitcoiners out there. Yeah. That is a really good point. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-634" data-t="634">one of the things that you find out in situations like this is that a lot of Bitcoiners,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-640" data-t="640">if you you have like an urgent situation, like you need to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-644" data-t="644">defeat Teddy Bitcoins in Maxi Madness, and so he doesn't embarrass</span> <span class="cue" id="t-648" data-t="648">Doctor. Adam Back,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-650" data-t="650">But but you don't have time to learn how to, like, actually set up your node and, like, send a peer to peer transaction.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-658">10:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-658" data-t="658">Like, because Coinbase won't fucking</span> <span class="cue" id="t-660" data-t="660">withdraw</span> <span class="cue" id="t-661" data-t="661">to that wallet address, and you gotta do it yourself.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-664" data-t="664">And it's it's embarrassing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-666" data-t="666">It's like Teddy Bitcoins knows how to use, you know, blockchain and transact adversarially</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-671">11:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-671" data-t="671">better than I do. Yeah. I I don't know what to say to that, honestly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-675" data-t="675">But</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-679">11:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-679" data-t="679">how can you how can you what's a good way to learn? Like, how do you get this,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-684" data-t="684">you know, this value for value</span> <span class="cue" id="t-687" data-t="687">opportunity,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-688" data-t="688">with with podcasting?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-690">11:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-690" data-t="690">Yeah. So we we don't have value for value in the Bubble app yet. It will be coming soon.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-697" data-t="697">I wanna abstract the Bitcoin away, to be honest. I think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-702" data-t="702">trying to get people that are outside the Bitcoin space</span> <span class="cue" id="t-705" data-t="705">to understand Bitcoin by sending it through a podcast app</span> <span class="cue" id="t-710" data-t="710">is very niche.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-711" data-t="711">That's something that the Bitcoin cohort will probably understand.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-716">11:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-716" data-t="716">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-717" data-t="717">the difficulties in the UX there</span> <span class="cue" id="t-720" data-t="720">are probably because most people just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-723" data-t="723">they still think in dollars.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-725" data-t="725">And so even though that we have the ability to send Sats</span> <span class="cue" id="t-729" data-t="729">and stream Sats with value for value now, I think it would just be a simpler UX to actually make it appear like dollars,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-738">12:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-738" data-t="738">and give people tools to, like, top up their account and to where they the Bitcoin is happening more behind the scenes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-746" data-t="746">rather than, like, in The U user experience,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-749" data-t="749">which a lot of these value for value apps</span> <span class="cue" id="t-751" data-t="751">I mean, Fountain's a great app. I'm not gonna trash Fountain.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-755" data-t="755">You guys can. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-757" data-t="757">I think they they led the way in in</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-761">12:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-761" data-t="761">utilizing some of these two point o features,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-764" data-t="764">but they're missing the mark a bit because it's it's an extremely niche community that's actually gonna use that. And if you're trying to derive revenue that way, I just don't see it it really playing out into the future. I think you need to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-778" data-t="778">utilize the tool, but give people away in the UX to make it feel like they're just spending dollars, and the rest is happening behind the scenes. And so that's what we're going for.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-788">13:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-788" data-t="788">So what what does that exactly mean? So that mean you're gonna price things in USDT,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-794" data-t="794">or</span> <span class="cue" id="t-795" data-t="795">how how does the individual feel like they're using dollars while using Bitcoin?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-801">13:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-801" data-t="801">So it's just clever UX. So it won't be priced in USDT or anything like that, and they still will be utilizing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-808" data-t="808">value for value in the in the two point o features</span> <span class="cue" id="t-811" data-t="811">with Sats. And so nothing like that will change. It's just more about how it's presented on the front end to the user.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-819" data-t="819">And, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-820" data-t="820">right now, okay, if you were to go to an app, you have to understand how to set up a Bitcoin wallet and then send a Bitcoin transaction</span> <span class="cue" id="t-828" data-t="828">into your fountain app</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-830">13:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-830" data-t="830">to start using these features.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-833" data-t="833">Whereas</span> <span class="cue" data-t="833">I think you could just have an account and say, okay. Well, do you wanna support a podcaster?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-838" data-t="838">Here is how you onboard. Here is $10 that you are purchasing and having and holding Bitcoin in that account.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-845" data-t="845">Doesn't require you to even know what an external wallet is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-849" data-t="849">and</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-850">14:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-850" data-t="850">the rate that you're sending Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-853" data-t="853">just appears</span> <span class="cue" id="t-855" data-t="855">like it's a dollar amount.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-856" data-t="856">You'll still be able to see the full Bitcoin amount, and that will still be there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-862" data-t="862">And if you're a power user and you're a Bitcoiner, like, you can just flip whatever it's denominated in. But we're just we're gonna go towards an experience that it's like whatever the users are they're most likely to use. And then Bitcoin is the tool that's happening in the back end.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-877">14:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-877" data-t="877">Yeah. It's like people will get excited and they're like magic Internet money. Hell, yeah. And then they go online</span> <span class="cue" id="t-884" data-t="884">and they find out you gotta have fucking seed phrases and you gotta have external wallets and hardware wallets. You got on chain transactions</span> <span class="cue" id="t-891" data-t="891">and lightning channels and, like, what the fuck? I thought I just could get on my phone and spend Bitcoin. It's supposed to be easy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-899" data-t="899">I don't wanna deal with this really crazy bad user experience. And you're saying, like, there's no reason</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-905">15:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-905" data-t="905">to give all this bullshit to people. Just fucking show them the magic Internet money. Exactly. Magic Internet money is a great way to phrase, like, the abstraction that I'm talking about,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-916" data-t="916">and to where it's just presented to the user, like, it's just magic. It it feels like dollars to them, and they're spending Bitcoin on the back end. Yeah. It people, especially people in Bitcoin, especially conspiracy theorists. Right? They want to solve the mysteries.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-931">15:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-931" data-t="931">So if you just give somebody an app, they can just magically spend money to anybody they want in the world Nobody can say no, nobody it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-941" data-t="941">it's whatever,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-942" data-t="942">and just tell them it's magic, they'll be like, I call bullshit, and they will start digging to figure out what's going on behind the scenes instead of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-951" data-t="951">giving them a homework assignment on forty hours of Bitcoin podcast that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-956" data-t="956">they need to listen to to understand it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-959" data-t="959">Just let them use it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-961">16:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-961" data-t="961">Exactly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-962" data-t="962">I'm sure that's gonna piss a lot of Maxis off too because we wouldn't be leading with Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-968" data-t="968">in the same way that some of these other apps are. That's fine.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-972" data-t="972">Fountain's taken on quite a bit of VC funding,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-975" data-t="975">and I'm I'm not really sure, like, what features they've really pushed out in the last few years, to be honest. And so we've bootstrapped it, and we're not taking on any funding. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-986" data-t="986">we'll see who wins. It's just like the MSTR or the Maxi Madness. I almost called it MSTR Madness.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-992">16:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-992" data-t="992">Oh, yeah. Yeah. Don't, don't get me wrong. We we love Fountain, and we love what they're doing for Bitcoin podcasters.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-999" data-t="999">And, we've made a lot of cigarette money</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1001" data-t="1001">thanks to Fountain.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1003" data-t="1003">We just think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1004" data-t="1004">that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1006" data-t="1006">there has to be a podcast app for people who haven't listened to forty hours yet</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1012">16:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1012" data-t="1012">and, you know, once they get to forty hours per week it's like boom, Fountain is the perfect thing for them</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1017" data-t="1017">But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1018" data-t="1018">yeah, you're like this is like onboarding people to forty hours per week. You can't leave with forty hours per week. Absolutely.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1026">17:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1026" data-t="1026">Well, I think this is kind of an interesting strategy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1029" data-t="1029">So, you know, one of the workarounds</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1032" data-t="1032">of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1033" data-t="1033">you know, not everybody wants to join the revolution.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1036" data-t="1036">Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1037" data-t="1037">But it sounds like this application</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1039">17:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1039" data-t="1039">is going to covertly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1041" data-t="1041">recruit people to the revolution without them even knowing about it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1046">17:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1046" data-t="1046">Bingo.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1047" data-t="1047">That's what we're going for. It's I I don't think it's as much about, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1051" data-t="1051">promoting how much of a Bitcoin you Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1055" data-t="1055">company you are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1056" data-t="1056">or</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1057" data-t="1057">leading with having Bitcoin in an app. I think it's more about how do you onboard users to using Bitcoin without them even knowing that they're using it. I think Right. It's more of a psyop.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1068">17:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1068" data-t="1068">And the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1070" data-t="1070">the contrarians</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1071" data-t="1071">here. Right? Like, you got Plattator.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1073" data-t="1073">Plattator</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1074" data-t="1074">says that like, if you wear suits,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1077" data-t="1077">he it's, he should</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1078">17:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1078" data-t="1078">be terminated against. He says that you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1082" data-t="1082">if you don't use Bitcoin, he has like a bullet point list that you pinned to the Thomas profile. You have to have like an old shitty laptop. You have to run Bitcoin core on that, and you have to make your own entry. It's this huge mess. It's like that's how people really use Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1097" data-t="1097">But the truth is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1099" data-t="1099">you don't have to be, you know, a cipher punk to use Bitcoin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1103">18:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1103" data-t="1103">People want better options. You don't have to be a cypherpunk to engage in the value for value economy. Exactly. So And and Bitcoin, in this case, does solve a technical issue, which is,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1117">18:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1117" data-t="1117">the micropayment</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1118" data-t="1118">side of actually streaming money.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1120" data-t="1120">And so if we were gonna try to actually do that with dollars, it still would not be possible.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1126" data-t="1126">To me, it's just a UX challenge. And so if we figured out the back end and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1133" data-t="1133">podcasting two point o and value for value and streaming SATs exist,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1137" data-t="1137">why not just make it easier for a user to understand how to do that?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1143">19:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1143" data-t="1143">Mhmm. Well, I think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1144" data-t="1144">everything or the thing that's on everybody's mind right now,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1148" data-t="1148">the I'm sure a lot of people are listening to this, and they're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1152" data-t="1152">they think it sounds good.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1155" data-t="1155">I know Podkoff's listening to this episode,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1158" data-t="1158">and they're wondering you know, one of the core tenants of Podkoff</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1161">19:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1161" data-t="1161">is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1162" data-t="1162">compliance is defiance. What what is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1166" data-t="1166">the compliance side of this app look like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1169" data-t="1169">in regards to payments? Could you elaborate? Well, I mean, is it gonna be friendly for, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1176" data-t="1176">Monero Maxis that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1178" data-t="1178">never want to,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1181">19:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1181" data-t="1181">upload a government ID</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1183" data-t="1183">to something,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1185" data-t="1185">or is it gonna be friendly towards,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1188">19:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1188" data-t="1188">yeah. Do you have to do you have to have a driver's license or an NPUB</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1192">19:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1192" data-t="1192">to log in? So right now, we don't have value for value in there. So you don't need a driver's license for anything.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1198" data-t="1198">We don't have an in pub to log in. Again, I I love Nostr. We're we're gonna use utilize Nostr as well, but, again, not in a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1206" data-t="1206">not in the traditional format that I think you're used to seeing,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1210" data-t="1210">with some of the podcast apps out there. And so we're not gonna be bringing in, like, a Nostr feed or anything like that. I think of Nostr as, like Smart move. Smart move. There's too many good morning. Like, it's it's really nice to go to Nostr,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1224">20:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1224" data-t="1224">have a cup of coffee,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1225" data-t="1225">and read 7,000</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1227" data-t="1227">good mornings and reply and zaps every single one. It's like, that's my morning ritual. But what I'm trying to pay,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1234" data-t="1234">you know, through my podcast app, I don't wanna read a thousand good mornings.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1239">20:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1239" data-t="1239">Yeah. To me, that that experience doesn't really make sense.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1242" data-t="1242">I think the timeline of what's happening on Nostr doesn't necessarily need to be in a podcasting app,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1250" data-t="1250">especially in, like, a front end way. I think Nostr is super cool, and there are some interesting use cases</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1256" data-t="1256">that I don't really see being slow explored as much. But they should be kind of hidden, and users should be, like, utilizing Nostr</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1264" data-t="1264">kind of in the same way that I'm talking about Bitcoin. Like, these are these protocols are tools,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1270" data-t="1270">and presenting them in The U to a user who doesn't understand them in in the innate way that Bitcoiners do,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1278">21:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1278" data-t="1278">that's what leads to some of these UX challenges.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1280" data-t="1280">And it's like, well, why is it hard to do these things? Well, it's like the protocol itself is pretty difficult to understand and use. And so if there's a way to abstract that to the user and just it's like, oh, yeah. Well, you're using Nostra. You're using Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1295" data-t="1295">But it just doesn't feel that way. To me, that's even cooler than just showing it to a user to show it. So what does the</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1302">21:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1302" data-t="1302">they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1303" data-t="1303">look like from a technical standpoint? Like, are you gonna be using a service like Strike</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1309" data-t="1309">to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1311" data-t="1311">convert dollars to Bitcoin? Or</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1314" data-t="1314">yeah. What do the technicals look like?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1316">21:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1316" data-t="1316">We haven't landed on anything there yet about specific</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1321" data-t="1321">like, what specific payment processor we're gonna use. We're not gonna be a money transmitter or anything like that. So to your point about the Monero Maxis,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1331" data-t="1331">you will probably have to KYC for us to accomplish this UX that I'm talking about.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1337" data-t="1337">You'll have to have some kind of account</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1340" data-t="1340">that you have dollars in, and so we're not gonna hold that account for you. And to get around the UX hurdles that I'm talking about,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1350" data-t="1350">you couldn't bring an impub. You couldn't just bring your Bitcoin into it. And so you're gonna have to have,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1357">22:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1357" data-t="1357">in to your point about PodConf,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1360" data-t="1360">a custodial account inside your podcast app. And if that pisses people off, that's fine. Then just don't use it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1367">22:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1367" data-t="1367">100%. It's I wanna applaud that. It's it takes courage. There's you know, whenever you are trying to build something like this, you have to look at those It's like, you know, a dozen or two people on Twitter like Seth for Privacy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1381" data-t="1381">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1382" data-t="1382">you know, SovereignMatt</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1384" data-t="1384">and, you know, those guys It's like, you have to tell</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1388" data-t="1388">a dozen</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1390" data-t="1390">people you keep my ad's not for you. But there's millions of others out there, really, it is for them, potentially.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1398">23:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1398" data-t="1398">How was,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1400" data-t="1400">like what what those into thinking about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1402" data-t="1402">how you do build the user experience, like, how you do make the app look and feel,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1409" data-t="1409">because it seems like you're trying to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1412" data-t="1412">help people just, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1414" data-t="1414">use Bitcoin,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1416">23:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1416" data-t="1416">like, as a vibe instead of,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1418">23:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1418" data-t="1418">as a site for punk. You could say that. I mean, again, to your point about,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1423" data-t="1423">the dozen people, like, yeah, there's been a few people already reach out, like, hey.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1428" data-t="1428">How come I can't onboard and become a user</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1431" data-t="1431">without giving you an email address?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1434" data-t="1434">And I'm like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1435" data-t="1435">there it's like 99.5%</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1438">23:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1438" data-t="1438">of the world</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1439" data-t="1439">has to go through in a user experience where they create an email and a password.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1444" data-t="1444">It's like that is what is most common.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1446" data-t="1446">The cohort of Bitcoiners that get pissed off about that, and they're like, well, I I just wanna do it with nothing. It's like, okay. That's fine. We're not there yet. Maybe one day we will have a path for you to onboard where you we can have both. But right now, we've gotta prioritize,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1462" data-t="1462">be building a company. And building it just for a small cohort of Bitcoiners is not necessarily what I'm at. Yeah. I mean, it's</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1469">24:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1469" data-t="1469">funny the other day. You might know, like, somebody I know from</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1474" data-t="1474">Oklahoma, I won't talk to him, was was given some, you know, company shit</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1479" data-t="1479">about,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1480" data-t="1480">requiring KYC.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1482" data-t="1482">Then he's mad. He's like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1484" data-t="1484">he lives in one of the most,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1487">24:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1487" data-t="1487">like, easiest states to own Bitcoin, but Dennis Porter has gotten bills passed to protect people's right to use Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1494" data-t="1494">in Oklahoma.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1495" data-t="1495">And he's like, I'm not gonna use this app unless I could spin up and use it without, you know, if I was in the middle of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1502" data-t="1502">Iran.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1503" data-t="1503">It's like, Bunny, you're never gonna go to Iran. Like, just</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1506">25:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1506" data-t="1506">chill out. The irony is we're actually prioritizing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1509" data-t="1509">building to where our app performs, like, in those countries too. And so Right. One of the big things is we prioritize</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1516" data-t="1516">building</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1518" data-t="1518">on the web.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1519" data-t="1519">And you can go to our website and immediately install,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1522" data-t="1522">it's called a progressive web app.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1524">25:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1524" data-t="1524">And there's a few, you know, normies that reach out, and they're like, well, why haven't you, put it in the App Store yet? It's like, because they take 30% of the revenue,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1533" data-t="1533">and we're building don't need it. Building a podcasting two point o app, which the entire</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1539" data-t="1539">the main company outside of Spotify that tried to centralize the podcasting index was Apple. So now we wanna build an app that goes in the App Store where they control this the, rankings in the App Store, and we give them 30% of the revenue. To me, it's just like we're prioritizing building building quickly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1557" data-t="1557">And the way we built it, we can deploy features,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1560" data-t="1560">you know, in minutes to push fixes, where in the App Store, like, we'd have to bundle that and wait for Apple to to approve it and then give them a cut of the revenue.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1569">26:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1569" data-t="1569">Yep. Yeah. I mean, this is this is why Dennis Porter is so important, and his work</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1575" data-t="1575">makes it possible to have an improved user experience,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1580" data-t="1580">because he he he protects all rights. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1583" data-t="1583">the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1585" data-t="1585">the other thing is you don't need</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1588" data-t="1588">to have,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1590">26:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1590" data-t="1590">like, a an iPhone app or a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1592" data-t="1592">Android app or, you know, one or the other. You can do all this all the stuff you need to do</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1599" data-t="1599">with the PWA and the user, all of this is a new website for them to go to. They don't have to update NAT constantly or deal with that, and it's it's easier for both sides. So why do you think they're not more popular?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1611">26:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1611" data-t="1611">I don't I don't have a great answer. I'd say there's some technical</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1614" data-t="1614">sides of it that until very recently,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1618" data-t="1618">like, Apple didn't support some of these PWA features.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1622" data-t="1622">And so the PWA apps, like, didn't have,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1625" data-t="1625">push notifications for a long time, and they didn't have the ability to, like, look and feel like an app. And now,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1633" data-t="1633">not just on the Apple side, but just</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1636">27:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1636" data-t="1636">the the actual JavaScript and the React frameworks that exist,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1641" data-t="1641">they're just much quicker. And so you'll you'll see, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1645" data-t="1645">some of the iOS apps are, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1649" data-t="1649">you know, 50 megabytes, whereas, like, a PWA can sometimes be, like, five kilobytes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1654" data-t="1654">And so you're talking about, like, a 99%</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1657" data-t="1657">difference in size.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1658">27:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1658" data-t="1658">And so the page load,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1660" data-t="1660">is sometimes eight to ten seconds quicker in a PWA.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1664" data-t="1664">And so that's the user experience we're going for. It's like, if you try to pull up at your app and it's slow because of a network connection, you're gonna blame the app. And it's because the user doesn't really understand what's going on, and they just blame the app where it's like, it's actually loading because of all these other issues in your network</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1682" data-t="1682">or you're on, like you're in a low bandwidth area like Iran, and maybe they're on, like, a two g network.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1688" data-t="1688">But there's millions of people, billions of people out there on these on these networks,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1692" data-t="1692">and there's a ton of users that you could then be bringing on and educating them,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1698">28:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1698" data-t="1698">forty hours a week. And so,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1701" data-t="1701">one of the big things that we're building is, like, we launched this search engine. And so for the people that don't have the time and they,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1709" data-t="1709">their Bitcoin podcasting is not their job, they're not putting in forty hours a week.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1714" data-t="1714">We have a way for them to understand narratives</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1717" data-t="1717">and quickly find what people are talking about based on the spoken word of what's happening in these podcasts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1723" data-t="1723">So</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1724">28:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1724" data-t="1724">to me, the podcast player,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1726" data-t="1726">like, we're not trying to necessarily monetize that in any way. We want people to come on, and it's just it's utilizing these new podcasting two point o features.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1735" data-t="1735">It's quick, and it works, but there's other things around the app that we are trying to monetize</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1741" data-t="1741">that actually help podcasters get discovered and put their content in front of a new audience, and then at the same time, help people cut through the noise and find what they want to listen to. Yeah. That's</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1753">29:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1753" data-t="1753">that's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1755" data-t="1755">that's a good way to put good way to put it. I do</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1759" data-t="1759">I I wanted to get your</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1761" data-t="1761">I don't know if you're a gambling man, but would you wager that you get, the ability</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1767" data-t="1767">to have lightning in your app before Swan does? I'm not a gambling man,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1772">29:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1772" data-t="1772">but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1774" data-t="1774">I I would probably bet yes that we Hell yeah. Hell yeah. And some of these things become challenges.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1781" data-t="1781">And so I actually did a podcast yesterday,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1784" data-t="1784">with Max Gagliardi,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1786" data-t="1786">and he gave me an idea on the show. I think it's gonna be I think it's gonna be great for Bitcoin podcasters,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1791" data-t="1791">to be quite honest.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1794">29:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1794" data-t="1794">It will be a new tool for help helping people discover, and it's gonna be built off the back of the search that we built.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1802" data-t="1802">And we're now racing to push that out before he releases the episode we did yesterday. So we're racing against the clock. I'd love to beat him and say, hey. You gave me this awesome idea on the episode.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1814">30:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1814" data-t="1814">We built it quicker than you could publish the show. Well, unfortunately, you're not gonna be able to beat us, I don't think.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1820" data-t="1820">Well, I don't think so. We publish our shows pretty quick.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1824" data-t="1824">That's how you do it. You should just hit fire. Yeah. What what is Max doing? Why is he gonna take so long to to edit and publish a show?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1832">30:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1832" data-t="1832">Because he's freaking,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1834">30:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1834" data-t="1834">this guy manages Airbnbs, man. Is this like, he's a Bitcoin miner. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1839" data-t="1839">Yes. That means he's kind of a Neanderthal</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1842" data-t="1842">of sorts.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1843">30:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1843" data-t="1843">Aren't we all?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1845">30:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1845" data-t="1845">Well, I don't know. No. I used to listen to Max's, energy podcast. He's a,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1850" data-t="1850">he's more of an energy guy. He's like the bot well, I mean, he's a energy guy first, a Bitcoin miner second, not like a Neanderthal, like, screw,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1860" data-t="1860">Turner.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1861">31:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1861" data-t="1861">Mhmm.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1863" data-t="1863">So just, like, a technical question,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1867" data-t="1867">about the search engine. I mean, it sounds like a pretty cool feature. Is this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1872" data-t="1872">you said it picks up on keywords. So is it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1875" data-t="1875">required for podcasters,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1877" data-t="1877">you know, in order to really take advantage of this to, upload transcripts or those automatically generated in some way</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1885">31:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1885" data-t="1885">based on that? Generating those.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1887">31:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1887" data-t="1887">It helps if the podcaster uploads it because then,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1891" data-t="1891">we don't have to, like, pull it and do it ourselves.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1895" data-t="1895">But at the end of the day, like, we still have to run it through our system,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1899" data-t="1899">and index, vectorize all that stuff, summarize it. And so it's a bit more than just just the transcript,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1906" data-t="1906">but it it would help.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1909" data-t="1909">And you guys are in there, by the way. I was, doing some searches before the show. Interesting.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1915">31:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1915" data-t="1915">I'll have to play around with it. That sounds like an interesting feature.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1921">32:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1921" data-t="1921">Yeah. I'm I'm gonna need it at my mom cannot use fountain. She's gonna need something because my dad makes her buy, like, all these crazy phones that he gets off eBay. So she doesn't have, like, you know, she's gonna have Android or Saint, you know, fucking Blueberry, whatever, a Blackberry, excuse me.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1939" data-t="1939">So she needs, like, a, an easy app</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1942" data-t="1942">that she doesn't have to convert Sats. This would be for this would be how I get my mom listening forty hours per week.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1948">32:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1948" data-t="1948">Mhmm. There you go. Well, sounds cool. It sounds like, it's an application that we have to, you know, explore a little bit. So is it you said there's a kinda like a beta version, a web app that you can download on your phone?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1962">32:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1962" data-t="1962">Yep. If you visit bubblbubble.fm,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1966" data-t="1966">and at the top of the home page, you click install.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1969" data-t="1969">You can add it directly to your home screen. So we go around the App Store. That's the, benefit of the PWA,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1975" data-t="1975">and then you're up and running.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1977" data-t="1977">You don't ever have to update the app or anything like that. We push all the updates,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1981" data-t="1981">and they immediately show up.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1984">33:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1984" data-t="1984">You know, we're pushing updates usually all day long every day, so it's it improves pretty quickly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1991" data-t="1991">And we actually didn't start with a podcasting app.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1995" data-t="1995">We started with the idea of building podcast digests. So this is another feature in the app</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2001" data-t="2001">to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2002" data-t="2002">understand,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2003" data-t="2003">what is happening in a particular topic. So we have, like, a 120 of these different digests,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2009">33:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2009" data-t="2009">Bitcoin being one of them. And we pull together all of these shows based on the transcripts of what's happening and put together,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2017" data-t="2017">here is a weekly digest of what all the Bitcoin podcasters are talking about.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2023" data-t="2023">And so you guys being a media company could utilize something like the Bitcoin Digest</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2028" data-t="2028">to just say, hey. Here's a rundown of what happened this week.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2032">33:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2032" data-t="2032">Oh, no. Yeah. Timmy Tether would love to read the Bitcoin Digest.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2038" data-t="2038">That guy is a sponge</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2040" data-t="2040">for Bitcoin podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2042" data-t="2042">listening and and experience. He's like, boomer. I think he listens to me podcast.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2046">34:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2046" data-t="2046">There you go. And if you don't have the forty hours a week to put in,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2050" data-t="2050">we basically build this off of the clips. And so</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2054" data-t="2054">the digest have, you know, six or seven different narratives of what is happening, and it takes you directly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2060" data-t="2060">to listen to that moment in the show where you don't have to listen to all forty hours of, you know, 15 to 20 different shows.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2068" data-t="2068">You just find the highlights of what people are talking about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2071" data-t="2071">and read at the same time. It's multimedia. You can listen. You can read,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2076">34:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2076" data-t="2076">and you get a download of what's happening. But</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2080">34:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2080" data-t="2080">if you're listening to this,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2082" data-t="2082">I want you to go in when you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2085" data-t="2085">boost boost those stats on, you know, from Most or or on Fountain, let us know</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2091" data-t="2091">if you would like to have, like, a weekly show</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2095" data-t="2095">where Timmy Tather just read</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2098" data-t="2098">all the</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2099">34:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2099" data-t="2099">the bubble,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2101" data-t="2101">Bitcoin Podcast Digest and then would like sounds like you can have segments where it stops and you listen to, like, the part that was really fucking thermodynamically</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2110" data-t="2110">sound, and you cut back and you get to read the digest for the rest.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2114" data-t="2114">That sounds like a great idea.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2116">35:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2116" data-t="2116">Exactly. I love the thermodynamically</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2118" data-t="2118">sound comment there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2120" data-t="2120">And the idea is that you can use it to build content as well. And so,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2125" data-t="2125">like, you guys being a media company, you guys could just say, hey. We're gonna we're gonna have the Bitcoin digest. We're about to launch it,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2132" data-t="2132">in a an additional feature on that where you'll be able to customize it. And so you guys could have your own,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2138" data-t="2138">Bugle Digest that's maybe not as</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2142">35:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2142" data-t="2142">sophisticated or formal as the generic Bitcoin one, and it has a bit more of, like, the meme context of what's happening.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2149" data-t="2149">And it could be a live asset that you guys use on your shows.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2153">35:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2153" data-t="2153">I wanna push back a little bit. Why would</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2155" data-t="2155">the Bugle's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2157" data-t="2157">Bitcoin podcast not be as sophisticated</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2159" data-t="2159">as, for example, the Macro</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2162" data-t="2162">podcast?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2163" data-t="2163">What are you saying? Like It was a compliment, actually.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2166">36:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2166" data-t="2166">You guys just you guys put out memes. You guys are funny. And so the Bitcoin digest is a bit more formal. I figured you guys might want something more,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2176" data-t="2176">catered to your audience that has a bit more context to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2180" data-t="2180">the Maxi Madness stuff in there. Yeah. Like, we don't have for We don't we don't have, like, the Maxi Madness stuff in there, for example. Like, that could be something that's, like, unique to your show,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2190" data-t="2190">that has a bit more of that context.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2193">36:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2193" data-t="2193">Yeah. If you like to listen to Bitcoin podcast in your, cargo shorts</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2198" data-t="2198">instead of a suit,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2200" data-t="2200">Bitcoin oh, the Bugle Weekly is the podcast for you. I wanna kinda shift gears. So,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2206">36:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2206" data-t="2206">you've done a lot of work with,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2208" data-t="2208">Dennis Porter</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2209" data-t="2209">in Oklahoma.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2211" data-t="2211">Dennis has,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2214" data-t="2214">he's brought a lot of permission to do things we already have permission to do in the the great state of Oklahoma. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2221" data-t="2221">what what has been working with Dennis</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2224">37:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2224" data-t="2224">been like?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2226" data-t="2226">And, what what are the changes you've experienced,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2229" data-t="2229">with the legislation that you've been working on with him? So we,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2234">37:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2234" data-t="2234">we work on some of the bills that Dennis</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2237" data-t="2237">has put put together.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2240" data-t="2240">We don't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2242" data-t="2242">converse with Dennis that often, to be quite honest.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2246" data-t="2246">Nothing against Dennis.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2248" data-t="2248">We just it's not like we're working day in and day out with, Dennis.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2253">37:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2253" data-t="2253">And so,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2255" data-t="2255">like, for example, the strategic Bitcoin reserve is not something that we have permission to do in Oklahoma.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2261" data-t="2261">And our strategic reserve bill is a little bit different than some of the other states is that it gives permission to the treasurer to actually buy Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2270" data-t="2270">which they do not have right now. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2273" data-t="2273">that's an example of something that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2275" data-t="2275">we don't have right now that</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2278">37:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2278" data-t="2278">could benefit from legislation.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2280">37:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2280" data-t="2280">Yeah. I mean, we feel</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2282" data-t="2282">we feel here too, man. Like, we also wish that, we could work more closely on a daily basis with, Dennis Porter. But, unfortunately, he's very busy orange pilling,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2293" data-t="2293">all the states and the</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2295">38:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2295" data-t="2295">Yeah. He works he works more at the national level, and we work, like, on the ground in Oklahoma. So it was like a travel to travel preacher coming in, just doing his part and hitting the rip.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2308" data-t="2308">You could say that. Have you taken any selfies with Dennis? I wish. I that's still on my bucket list. I haven't been able to make that happen yet, but hopefully soon.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2318">38:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2318" data-t="2318">I saw that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2320" data-t="2320">simply,</span> <span class="cue" data-t="2320">Nico and b BTC Sessions, they got a selfie with Dennis today at, mining disrupt for something in Miami. But, damn, like, super jealous. They were with Samsung too. Samsung got a selfie with Dennis. Wow. That's awesome.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2333">38:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2333" data-t="2333">I didn't see that. Samsung really got a selfie with Dennis.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2337">38:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2337" data-t="2337">Yeah. How often does Sampson now get to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2341" data-t="2341">you know, take a selfie with somebody who has orange pilled more politicians in more nation states than him? Very rarely.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2348" data-t="2348">So it was probably just like a really, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2352" data-t="2352">great opportunity. Paul is really proud.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2355">39:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2355" data-t="2355">Do you think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2356" data-t="2356">nation states</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2358" data-t="2358">adopted Bitcoin</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2359">39:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2359" data-t="2359">because of that selfie? That'd be like the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2363" data-t="2363">what's the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2364" data-t="2364">Grevalho Princep moment</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2366" data-t="2366">that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2367" data-t="2367">started World War one. That might be the selfie that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2371" data-t="2371">is like the the catalyst to hyperbitcoinization.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2375">39:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2375" data-t="2375">Mhmm. It might be.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2376">39:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2376" data-t="2376">The shot heard around the world. Dennis Porter in Samson Mauer. Incredible.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2381" data-t="2381">Paul Revere at Bitcoin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2383">39:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2383" data-t="2383">While David Bailey is in Asia, I mean, that's pretty, like something is is in the works here. Buckle up.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2390">39:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2390" data-t="2390">We've got we've got</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2392" data-t="2392">Dylan Leclerc. This has been a week big</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2395" data-t="2395">it's been a huge week. So we've got Teddy Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2398" data-t="2398">looking like the favorite to win Maxi Madness.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2401" data-t="2401">We've got</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2403" data-t="2403">Dylan LeClaire</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2404">40:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2404" data-t="2404">meeting with Nintendo</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2407" data-t="2407">on their Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2408" data-t="2408">reserve policy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2410" data-t="2410">Is he actually doing that? Well, Rod, you broke that story. Right? Mitch,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2414">40:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2414" data-t="2414">can you repeat the the story?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2417">40:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2417" data-t="2417">Dylan LeClaire meeting with Nintendo.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2420">40:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2420" data-t="2420">Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So right off the heels of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2424" data-t="2424">the GameStop,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2425" data-t="2425">GameStop is adopting a strategic Bitcoin reserve. Boom.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2430" data-t="2430">Nintendo got on the the line with, with David Bailey to get the introduction to Dylan,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2437" data-t="2437">and they're gonna get him over there to give a presentation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2441" data-t="2441">to</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2441">40:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" data-t="2441">the the interns</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2443" data-t="2443">about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2444" data-t="2444">a strategic Bitcoin reserve</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2446" data-t="2446">at Nintendo.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2447">40:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2447" data-t="2447">Sorry. That was accidental. This is how we get hyper Bitcoinization.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2451">40:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2451" data-t="2451">Yeah. And then and then to top that off, we've got Dennis Porter and Samson Malo taking selfies with each other. Wasn't something really big supposed to happen, like, last week? I there was, like, a picture of a</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2463">41:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2463" data-t="2463">a mining</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2464" data-t="2464">something that happened, and there was a a big square, like, table with all the chairs,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2469" data-t="2469">and everybody was tweeting, like, this is the room that it happened in.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2473" data-t="2473">Be prepared.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2474" data-t="2474">And then I've been sitting on the edge of my seat for the last week, but I haven't seen anything.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2479" data-t="2479">What do you guys think that's about?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2483">41:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2483" data-t="2483">I don't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2484" data-t="2484">I don't know if I am aware of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2487" data-t="2487">that viral post,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2489" data-t="2489">but it sounds like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2491" data-t="2491">which day was this? Because I'm trying to see if it matches up with,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2496" data-t="2496">this weekend.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2498">41:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2498" data-t="2498">It may have been this past weekend. Yeah. It was like, this is gonna be a big week or something.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2504" data-t="2504">Michael Saylor tweeted something about it, and there was an empty conference room with a bunch of chairs. That was that was GameStop. That was the GameStop decision.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2512">41:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2512" data-t="2512">Oh, that was GameStop. Okay. Yeah. That's what the GameStop yesterday, because they said they're gonna buy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2518" data-t="2518">$1,500,000,000</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2520" data-t="2520">worth of Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2521" data-t="2521">using the the sailor strategy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2524" data-t="2524">and fold Bitcoin strategy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2526" data-t="2526">of,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2527">42:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2527" data-t="2527">buying</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2528">42:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2528" data-t="2528">Bitcoin on one of them. Could have been in reference too to to Josh Mandel.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2533" data-t="2533">You know, I think people are just bullish right now because,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2536" data-t="2536">according to his model,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2541">42:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2541" data-t="2541">we're gonna run the tables. Well, you can't run the table unless you've already sold all your chairs. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2546" data-t="2546">I'm I'm ready for it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2549">42:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2549" data-t="2549">Oh, yeah. And, yo, to to piggyback on that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2553" data-t="2553">Dieter Dieter Bob has been posting some very bullish,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2557" data-t="2557">line chart lines</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2559">42:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2559" data-t="2559">on Twitter. So if Dieter is bullish, that's usually a good sign. Just like we need more Bitcoin podcasters, I think we need more Bitcoin models.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2567" data-t="2567">So the more models out there,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2570" data-t="2570">the higher Bitcoin price goes regardless of what the model says.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2574">42:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2574" data-t="2574">Well, I think the most important model</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2576" data-t="2576">out there right now is the Bitcoin podcast power law, which you're kind of existing or assisting in.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2583" data-t="2583">Like, the as we create more Bitcoin podcasts, we're gonna need more Bitcoin podcasting apps. Exactly.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2590">43:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2590" data-t="2590">And the more Bitcoin podcasts out there, the the more we need to be able to search through them and actually find what they're saying. So that's what we're going for. Finding signal. Exactly. More Bitcoin podcasts</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2602">43:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2602" data-t="2602">equal more Bitcoin podcasting apps</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2605" data-t="2605">equals more signal</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2608" data-t="2608">equals higher price.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2610">43:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2610" data-t="2610">That math makes sense to me.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2613">43:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2613" data-t="2613">It's very simple. I mean, I I don't know why, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2616" data-t="2616">my model hasn't taken off more.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2619" data-t="2619">It it makes the most sense. I mean, it's just very, very logical. If everybody in the world starts a Bitcoin podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2625" data-t="2625">they're gonna at least get a couple</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2628" data-t="2628">listeners</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2629" data-t="2629">to their podcast. It's gonna paint the whole world orange. Not I mean, not everybody in the world, but you you have to think about it. Like, you know, there there's listeners out here.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2637">43:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2637" data-t="2637">They're sitting with their arms crossed,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2640" data-t="2640">holding their nose</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2643" data-t="2643">or turning up their nose</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2644" data-t="2644">at the idea of more Bitcoin podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2648" data-t="2648">They got a nasally voice like Platter.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2650" data-t="2650">They're like, we have too many Bitcoin podcasts. The reality</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2655">44:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2655" data-t="2655">is they that those those are the people we need to convince to start the podcast for the price to really take off. I'm trying to think I I think there's one last topic I wanna</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2663" data-t="2663">discuss with you before we go into the fountain boost,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2667" data-t="2667">to wrap up the show. But, you know, Kaz, people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2671" data-t="2671">people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2673" data-t="2673">have accused you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2675" data-t="2675">of having some anti.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2677">44:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2677" data-t="2677">You used to be an employee at Swan.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2681" data-t="2681">I don't know. Do you consider yourself</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2684" data-t="2684">do you do you think you have anti,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2686" data-t="2686">or you or you think you're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2688" data-t="2688">in the clear? What are your thoughts on that? I think I'm in the clear.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2692">44:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2692" data-t="2692">I think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2693" data-t="2693">I call anybody out. It and if</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2696" data-t="2696">it if it's justified, I think I'll call them out. It doesn't really matter if I'm friends with you or not. I think I look for the truth in things and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2705" data-t="2705">sorry. Excuse me.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2707" data-t="2707">And that's that's what I talk about on my my Twitter account. And so</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2712" data-t="2712">I actually tweeted last week. I was like, I'm gonna get rid of this. And then I thought more on it, and I was like, no.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2717">45:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2717" data-t="2717">This is how we recruit</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2719" data-t="2719">more people to Bitcoin and and get the price higher. I just need to talk more shit. Yeah. I just I guess Richard is probably asking because it seems like you retweet</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2729">45:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2729" data-t="2729">Booty and HODL Magoo</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2731" data-t="2731">quite a bit,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2733" data-t="2733">when they're teasing Swan. So Neat. People thought maybe you might yeah. People think you might have, like, some anti Swanitism or something.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2740">45:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2740" data-t="2740">Hottle Magoo sucks.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2742" data-t="2742">I don't see his tweets because he's blocked, so there's no chance I've retweeted anything he said.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2748">45:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2748" data-t="2748">Hey. I think a lot of people can agree</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2750">45:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2750" data-t="2750">on one thing. The Tahlel McGhee sucks. Well, a little bit of a check-in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2755" data-t="2755">little bit of a check-in from, earlier on the episode. It looks like Teddy Bitcoins currently has</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2761" data-t="2761">no Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2762" data-t="2762">in his Azure or his wallet.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2765">46:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2765" data-t="2765">Wow. I thought he was I thought I thought for sure people were gonna pay at least some people were gonna pay the ransom,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2771" data-t="2771">but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2772" data-t="2772">they</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2774">46:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2774" data-t="2774">they're not doing it. Yeah. It's been a while since we did,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2778" data-t="2778">behind the podcast. Our our last episode was yellow. This is all the way back at the end of February, it looks like. We're currently at the end of March, so it's it's been roughly a month. We've been we've been busy preparing for Matchy Madness.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2792" data-t="2792">It's been a busy month to say the least.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2796" data-t="2796">So, Kaz,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2797" data-t="2797">I don't know if you've ever listened to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2801" data-t="2801">an episode of Behind the Podcast.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2803">46:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2803" data-t="2803">I assume because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2806" data-t="2806">our backlog's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2807" data-t="2807">a little bit longer here. But we we've got two questions that we ask</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2811" data-t="2811">everybody before we go into the fountain boost,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2814" data-t="2814">for the previous episode.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2815" data-t="2815">First question is,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2818">46:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2818" data-t="2818">did you listen to the episode with yellow</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2821" data-t="2821">that we did?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2823">47:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2823" data-t="2823">I did not.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2824">47:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2824" data-t="2824">The second</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2826" data-t="2826">question we ask is, are you Jewish?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2831" data-t="2831">I am not. Why? We doubt there's no, specific reason we ask except for,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2836" data-t="2836">if you have listened to the other one,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2839" data-t="2839">you might understand the context</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2841" data-t="2841">of some of our fountain booths. Sometimes we get some pretty,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2846">47:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2846" data-t="2846">in the weeds</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2847" data-t="2847">podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2848" data-t="2848">boosts</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2849" data-t="2849">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2851" data-t="2851">you know if you can if you can,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2853" data-t="2853">translate that.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2855">47:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2855" data-t="2855">Are you, do do you have any insecurities</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2858">47:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2858" data-t="2858">about not being Jewish? No. I do not. Are you are you proud to not be Jewish? I'm proud to be who I am. I'm sure if I was Jewish, I'd proud to be proud to be Jewish.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2869">47:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2869" data-t="2869">I'm not, though. So I'm Fundamentals is fundamentals. I don't know.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2874">47:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2874" data-t="2874">If you're if you were Jewish, do you think you would work in Hollywood, or would you be more on the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2881" data-t="2881">like, with writing side of things or</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2885" data-t="2885">podcasting?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2886" data-t="2886">Where where do you think you'd be more</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2889" data-t="2889">involved if you were Jewish, or would you be in accounting? Probably probably some money side of Bitcoin. Okay.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2896" data-t="2896">Me too. Yeah. Alright. Well, let's get into the found base. So,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2900">48:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2900" data-t="2900">the last show, just for some context, Kaz,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2903" data-t="2903">we did interview Yellow. So we</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2906" data-t="2906">we discussed some memeing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2908" data-t="2908">We discussed,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2909" data-t="2909">his last year in Maxi Madness, what it was like for him to win,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2914" data-t="2914">Greek mythology.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2916">48:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2916" data-t="2916">We went all over the place in this episode. But, yeah, this is something that we do on it on every,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2922" data-t="2922">every show. Is this Shadrach, Rob? Yeah. That's that's Shadrach. Interesting. Well, Shadrach posted the show for 10,000</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2929" data-t="2929">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2930" data-t="2930">didn't leave a comment. I I I'm just struggling to understand the fountain UX here. So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2936" data-t="2936">does this mean he did a clip of the show, or he just posted the show on the roster or something?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2943">49:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2943" data-t="2943">I think he just posted it with, zap. And maybe he zapped the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2947" data-t="2947">because that's one time sometimes they can zap a post from Fountain or, like, a post from somebody else's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2954" data-t="2954">comment,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2955" data-t="2955">and then it'll just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2957" data-t="2957">go to your</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2958" data-t="2958">noster wall, but it doesn't distinguish if it's a booster or not. Interesting. Oh, thanks, Shadrach.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2964">49:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2964" data-t="2964">I guess we don't have to The the wants to talk about.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2967" data-t="2967">Are you familiar with who Shadrach is, Kaz?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2970">49:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2970" data-t="2970">I am not.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2972" data-t="2972">I don't know who that is. Okay.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2974">49:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2974" data-t="2974">Shadrach's great. Shadrach's a oh, wow. Corey Clifton just DM'd me. Shadrach's got,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2980" data-t="2980">a van that he painted orange. He's got a mobile podcasting studio. That's pretty badass. What show does he do? He's I don't think he has a show. I think he just has a podcast studio that he drives around with. But I don't think he actually podcast.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2993">49:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2993" data-t="2993">Yeah. Yeah. He just lives in a podcast studio.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2996" data-t="2996">He doesn't have a podcast. He's building like the analog version of Bubble. No. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think Shadrach</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3002" data-t="3002">is just,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3003" data-t="3003">he is one of those dudes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3005" data-t="3005">who, if you saw him, he'd be like, Oh, like he smokes cigarettes. He listens to Bitcoin podcasts. He doesn't fucking</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3011" data-t="3011">KYC unless he absolutely has to fucking</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3015">50:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3015" data-t="3015">really smart,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3018" data-t="3018">living a life,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3019" data-t="3019">a sovereign</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3021" data-t="3021">and one of those dudes that just he lives in a Bitcoin podcast studio,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3026" data-t="3026">but, you know, on a cot, like, that's just,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3029" data-t="3029">it's all he's got.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3031">50:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3031" data-t="3031">It's like a street, like one of those</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3034" data-t="3034">people living in, like, a van going surfing.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3037">50:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3037" data-t="3037">Well, I I I think Shadrach should start a Bitcoin podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3042" data-t="3042">I think that'd be a good Me too. And if you if you have a if you live in a podcast studio,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3047" data-t="3047">you might as well start a podcast for the price of Bitcoin. Right. No excuse.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3052">50:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3052" data-t="3052">It is kinda a strange thing. Well, he's rich. Think about it, Shadrach. Think about it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3057">50:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3057" data-t="3057">Oh, yeah. He's got Shadrach. One boost than, Teddy Bitcoin's gotten as well. Doesn't surprise me whatsoever.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3064">51:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3064" data-t="3064">We got the next one from Rakan.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3066" data-t="3066">4,000 sats.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3069" data-t="3069">Bad UX is a revolution, no doubt. But bit but bad podcast episodes take the revolution to another level.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3076" data-t="3076">Great bad job.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3078" data-t="3078">Don't know</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3080" data-t="3080">don't know how to interpret that one</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3082">51:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3082" data-t="3082">except for,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3085" data-t="3085">say that, you know, 4,000 sats that's value for value. There's nothing in there. Talking about our podcast. It must have been Oh, yeah. It might must have had an accident.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3095">51:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3095" data-t="3095">This is kind of an encouraging message from Pink Monkey.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3098" data-t="3098">Next message says, listening to the Bugle Weekly cured my autism.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3103" data-t="3103">Or, actually, I don't know.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3104" data-t="3104">Is that cool, or is that problematic?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3106">51:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3106" data-t="3106">Maybe it's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3108" data-t="3108">I don't know, actually. I don't know if they're if they're warning others or they are, like, trying to tell them that's It looks like he submitted it as an anonymous first and then went back and said, no. I'm gonna dox myself.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3120" data-t="3120">No. That's just a bad UX of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3123" data-t="3123">of fountain</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3124" data-t="3124">combining with Nostril, combining with your fountain account.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3128">52:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3128" data-t="3128">Yeah. Sometimes you got a boost and a double boost for some reason. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3133">52:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3133" data-t="3133">Okay.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3135">52:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3135" data-t="3135">It's also, you know, it is some of these comments, it's like, it's easy to because of the bad UX, you just get like a negative comment. It's like, oh, they didn't even mean to comment on our show. They don't usually get those. Yeah. I feel like every time we get a negative comment, it's generally a mistake. I don't know why we'd receive negative comments.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3153">52:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3153" data-t="3153">See, I always thought Bitcoin podcasts, like, caused more autism. So that's a pretty interesting comment.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3160">52:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3160" data-t="3160">Maybe if you're already autistic,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3161" data-t="3161">it cures it, but if you're not autistic, you turns you autistic. I mean That makes sense to me. I would argue that we need more autism. That's actually how we get hyper Bitcoinization.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3172" data-t="3172">Yeah. Hyper autism</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3173" data-t="3173">autism. It's good to ever it's a bit that a lot of normies got, the vaccine,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3178" data-t="3178">the COVID vaccine, because that probably will help accelerate turn people autistic.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3182">53:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3182" data-t="3182">Seems to really work to 2020. Like, the 2020 cycle is exciting. Mhmm. There are a lot of Bitcoin podcasts start started in 2020, that's for sure.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3191">53:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3191" data-t="3191">Yeah. After people started getting vaccinated.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3194" data-t="3194">The next one is from Audi. I know Audi is from one of the funny European countries, and he thinks yellow tops funny.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3201" data-t="3201">So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3203" data-t="3203">yeah. Yeah. Yellow</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3205" data-t="3205">is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3206" data-t="3206">you know, from, from Rome or Italy.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3209">53:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3209" data-t="3209">So,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3210">53:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3210" data-t="3210">yeah, funny accent. I like that, Odie's got the 40 HPW</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3216">53:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3216" data-t="3216">logo in his profile. I think that's pretty cool. Can you guys explain this meme to me? This 40 HPW?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3223">53:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3223" data-t="3223">Yep. Forty hours per week. Oh, forty hours per week. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. That's how many Bitcoin podcasts that, like, you need to listen to. Like, if you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3234" data-t="3234">listen to forty hours Bitcoin podcasts per week, you're gonna know what's happening. You're gonna be able to afford to pay your taxes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3240" data-t="3240">You're gonna be able to be on the forefront of, like, AI and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3245" data-t="3245">all the technology.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3246" data-t="3246">It is gonna be ahead of everybody. Mhmm. And friends with Dennis Porter Porter</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3251">54:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3251" data-t="3251">to where you can get a selfie.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3253">54:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3253" data-t="3253">Yeah. For many people, it is achievable. We've been could you could you put in a good word for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3260" data-t="3260">with Dennis for us? We've been trying to get him on the podcast. I I don't know why he hasn't,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3265" data-t="3265">come on our show yet. He he likes to do a lot of podcasts, but for some reason, he hasn't</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3271">54:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3271" data-t="3271">ever Does he not respond to you guys?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3273">54:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3273" data-t="3273">Not usually. I mean, I I send him DMs</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3276" data-t="3276">periodically.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3277" data-t="3277">I like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3278" data-t="3278">you know, I like to thank him</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3280" data-t="3280">for, you know, like, if I have sex with my wife and it's, like, really good sex,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3285">54:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3285" data-t="3285">I'll I'll generally message him and and and thank him for, helping keeping me hard through it. I think there's a lot of people like that. I think I think you just get a lot it's a lot of DMs</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3295" data-t="3295">like that, and it's hard to answer all of them. Peter McCormick</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3299" data-t="3299">did answer all of them. So Dennis Porter,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3303" data-t="3303">you could always have at least somebody to look up to you that's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3307" data-t="3307">willing to work</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3308" data-t="3308">and deal harder on Bitcoin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3309">55:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3309" data-t="3309">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3310" data-t="3310">I mean, I'm sure he probably gets tired of hearing about people's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3315" data-t="3315">like, good sex.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3316" data-t="3316">You know what I mean?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3318" data-t="3318">But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3320" data-t="3320">a lot of people are appreciative of it. Like, if it you know, you're if you're kinda like an older guy</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3326">55:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3326" data-t="3326">and,</span> <span class="cue" data-t="3326">you have trouble keeping it Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3329">55:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3329" data-t="3329">Like Imagine you're Greg Foss. You've had a couple too many Canadian whiskeys.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3334" data-t="3334">You get home.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3336" data-t="3336">You listen to a Bitcoin podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3338" data-t="3338">and you wanna bang your wife, and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3341" data-t="3341">it's it's not there. Throw on some Dennis Porter,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3344" data-t="3344">and it's it's gonna be a good night.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3347">55:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3347" data-t="3347">Well, what I actually have my wife do is I have her whisper</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3351" data-t="3351">Dennis Porter in my ear,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3353" data-t="3353">and that's what does it. You know, like, some people like to, like, talk dirty during sex. I I just like to talk to Dennis. Yeah. Me and my wife have different political views, so it's nice to have a bipartisan,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3364">56:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3364" data-t="3364">influence in the in the bed. You've got a lot of interesting relationships going on here on. Yeah. It's, the bull market is a volatile time</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3374" data-t="3374">in the price, and it's a volatile time in my,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3378" data-t="3378">romantic</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3379">56:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3379" data-t="3379">Well, anyways,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3380" data-t="3380">next boost, BTC on board, 200 sats, lightning, lightning, thumbs up, thumbs up.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3387">56:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3387" data-t="3387">Appreciate it. And the last one is from the one and only</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3391" data-t="3391">Pies, 100 sats.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3393" data-t="3393">He hit us with a comment</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3394" data-t="3394">v for v, value for value, hashtag forty hours per week. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3399" data-t="3399">I know I say it every week, but every time I open</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3402" data-t="3402">the Found app I see that Pies has listened to another Bitcoin podcast and he has,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3409">56:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3409" data-t="3409">commented</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3410" data-t="3410">forty hours per week so probably our number one sales,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3415" data-t="3415">sales guy or marketing guy is Pies,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3418" data-t="3418">and this is, you know, this is what we wanted to do with the Bugle. We wanted to take X cause,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3424" data-t="3424">guys who've been in prison, done some drugs, fucking a little bit noncompliant.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3429" data-t="3429">And we wanted to, make them bill make them our billboards for how forty hours per week sets you on the on the the straight and narrow. My question for you, Kaz. So are you familiar with who PIES is? No. I'm not.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3443">57:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3443" data-t="3443">So so Pies is, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3445" data-t="3445">the most valuable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3447" data-t="3447">Bitcoin podcast listener. He he's the person he listens he covers the most Easily. Yeah. If you have me give me one Pies</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3455">57:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3455" data-t="3455">over, you know, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3458" data-t="3458">five of those guys that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3460" data-t="3460">once every two years, they ball or boost somebody off that. Give me Pies who is just fucking</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3466" data-t="3466">bringing</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3467">57:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3467" data-t="3467">in, spreading the message, spreading the signal. I mean, he's He's resistant. He's like the Bitcoin blocks.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3472">57:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3472" data-t="3472">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3473" data-t="3473">I mean, you you see him in the fountain booths of, like, pretty much every podcast on fountain.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3479" data-t="3479">So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3480" data-t="3480">I'd be curious to see what it would take</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3484">58:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3484" data-t="3484">for you to convince him to switch from fountain to bubble. I don't think you need to have to switch. I think I think Pies were probably</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3492" data-t="3492">Pies is, like, the most energetic, enthusiastic,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3495" data-t="3495">fucking hardworking guy for Bitcoin more than anybody that you'll see on Twitter. He is working harder for Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3502" data-t="3502">I would say, more than Dennis Porter in a lot of ways, at least for Bitcoin podcasters.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3508">58:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3508" data-t="3508">Number one We need more pies. We definitely need more pies. That needs to be in the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3513" data-t="3513">the number go up equation somewhere. Yep.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3517">58:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3517" data-t="3517">I agree. And I and I think the only way that we get more pies is we get more podcasts. The the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3523" data-t="3523">supply has I believe.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3525" data-t="3525">The supply has to outpace the demand for the demand to increase, in my opinion.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3531" data-t="3531">Basic Austrian economics right here. Makes sense.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3535" data-t="3535">Well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3537" data-t="3537">yeah, we just got through the pound boost.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3540">58:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3540" data-t="3540">Rod, do you got any closing thoughts or or questions for Kaz? Kaz, tomorrow, it as of right now, it looks like it's gonna be Michael Saylor versus Teddy Bitcoins</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3550" data-t="3550">in the Maxi Madness final.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3553" data-t="3553">Who are you voting for? Man, that's tough.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3555" data-t="3555">I'm probably gonna Well, I guess you don't have to say. Who do you think the plebs are gonna vote? Vote? I have a strong feeling Teddy Bitcoins wins for some reason. Interesting. So I wonder if it, it just seems inevitable.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3566" data-t="3566">I guess we'll find out. We will.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3569">59:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3569" data-t="3569">What is what is going on with Twitter right now? Everybody's posting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3573" data-t="3573">animated pictures.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3575">59:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3575" data-t="3575">Have you noticed this trend? Yeah. It's turning the everything's becoming anime. Why is this turning into the timeline is turning</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3582" data-t="3582">cartoonish,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3583" data-t="3583">some might say.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3584" data-t="3584">Teddi Bitcoins</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3586" data-t="3586">was,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3587" data-t="3587">one of the first</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3589">59:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3589" data-t="3589">caricatures that popped up. Yeah. It's this, Studio Ghibli style anime.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3594" data-t="3594">Everybody's using chat GPT and just taking memes and running it through this anime</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3599" data-t="3599">filter. I think it's pretty funny, to be honest. It's today's been one of the most fun days on Twitter in a while.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3606">1:00:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3606" data-t="3606">Oh, I think this is great. Well, you think Lyn Alden's hot as an anime character? Probably. I thought she was pretty hot as an anime character. She she was, like, doing a bunch of, bunch of anime</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3617">1:00:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3617" data-t="3617">of herself. Yeah. I would say,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3621" data-t="3621">AI really does a good job of, understanding</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3624" data-t="3624">that Linaldum is hot when it, makes its pictures over.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3629" data-t="3629">If AI</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3630" data-t="3630">understands, I don't see how people can deny it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3634">1:00:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3634" data-t="3634">I'm seeing Lynn's feed right now. I didn't see any of hers posted today. Oh, that's a shame.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3639">1:00:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3639" data-t="3639">I feel like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3641" data-t="3641">a good thing to do is to set notifications</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3644" data-t="3644">for every time Lynn posts. This is insane. Literally, every</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3647" data-t="3647">so It's like the biggest meme trend I've seen in a while. Yeah. I think the last one that was as big as this was the JD Vance one.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3655">1:00:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3655" data-t="3655">Yeah. I saw some people running JD Vance through the meme the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3659" data-t="3659">Studio Ghibli meme too.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3661">1:01:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3661" data-t="3661">Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3665" data-t="3665">this is gonna go like, man, you know what you know what sucks? If this were came out</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3670" data-t="3670">two weeks ago,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3671" data-t="3671">then Maxi Madness would have been so much funnier</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3674">1:01:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3674" data-t="3674">when so many more anime characters probably would have been You guys should do some of it for the finals.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3679">1:01:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3679" data-t="3679">We are. We are. But it's like it would have been nice to have her for the whole time, and it made my life easier. Well, anyways,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3688">1:01:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3688" data-t="3688">yeah.</span> <span class="cue" data-t="3688">Wanna thank you for coming on the show, Kaz.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3691" data-t="3691">Definitely interested in looking into your,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3694" data-t="3694">podcasting,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3695">1:01:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kaz Biko</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3695" data-t="3695">doodad. Thank you guys for having me. It's been fun.</span></span></p>