0:00Richard Greaser Welcome back to the Bugle's Bitcoin podcast, behind the podcast where we engage and interview, people in the Bitcoin podcast community. Here we have to have had these,

0:16Richard Greaser as regularly as we would like, the past month or so, but we would would hopefully be picking these up and keep doing these on a weekly basis, but we are back tonight. I think right now, the biggest thing, going on with the Bugle is Maxi Madness. I mean, we're at the final four. This is the biggest year. Yeah. The most amount of votes ever cast

0:42Richard Greaser in Maxi Madness. The record shattered this year. It's been amazing, the engagement has been amazing, and it's been the biggest most dramatic yet. However, it has come to our attention that we want to be sympathetic to the fact that, to any Bitcoins winning Maxi Madness has hurt some people's feelings and a lot of people have reached out and they have told us as much,

1:07Richard Greaser they've expressed it very publicly a lot of scathing reviews of the pupil for from people who said that this has hurt their feelings. Wow. And that was never our intention. So I just I want to apologize

1:23Richard Greaser if if Teddy Bitcoin's winning Maxi Madness has hurt your feelings. And I I'm very sincere about that. This is the first opportunity for me to say that to someone, Kaz. I know that you're a fan of Maxie Madness. And so if if we have hurt your feelings, allowing 10 Bitcoins to get this far, I I apologize for that, but, yeah, we're talking to Kaz Biko, and a lot of you guys, may know him from he he works at Swan Bitcoin.

1:51Richard Greaser He's a Bitcoin miner from Oklahoma, and know, now he is building a an application for Bitcoin podcast listeners to, revolutionize the user experience

2:05Richard Greaser and possibly be a fountain killer, a fountain disruptor. It's called Bubble FM. But, Taz, how are you doing today, sir? I'm good. Thanks, Rod. Thanks for having me on, guys. How how how how disappointed are you with with Maxi Madness this year? Did we hurt your feelings, by by not, you know, rolling back the bracket and disqualifying Teddy Bitcoins this year?

2:29Kaz Biko No. I mean, this is, Bitcoin Maxis. Right? So we're not we're not Ethereum Maxis. We're not gonna roll back the chain. You guys are just, doing your journalistic jobs of putting it out there and letting people vote on it. So in my eyes, you just included him and the people who've spoken. Yeah. I think it's

2:46Rod Palmer pretty clear the the market, for whatever reason, has chosen Teddi. It might be because the market is big fans of MicroStrategy stock, and, you know, Teddi is a big sim for Michael Sailor and for MicroStrategy. But, it it is interesting to watch. I mean, this is democracy in action,

3:04Rod Palmer and we cannot reject the will of the people. That's for sure. What do you what do you Yeah. Go ahead. What do you think has like, do you have any, thoughts for for

3:15Richard Greaser you What did you want to weigh in Maxi Madness when this started? I'm personally team yellow. Team yellow. Yeah. Disappointing

3:23Kaz Biko to see that, yellow lost what was that? The sweet 16? Did he lose to pretty Bitcoins?

3:29Richard Greaser Yeah. No. He lost in the elite aid. It was it was tough. So 10 Bitcoins, I think people knew that there was some drama cooking up, in the meme region, the first day or two of Maxi Madness, and it was pretty rowdy. The Stackchain guys

3:48Richard Greaser were obsessed. I mean, it they they thorked off for Maxi Madness, and they created Stackchain, Madness because they were so upset. But, like, it didn't get really that far out. And then by the end of the weekend, it had it had blown up, and and Teddy Bitcoins threatened doctor Adam back.

4:08Richard Greaser And nobody really thought that that would happen, but it did. And it woke people up, and the plebs came out, like, most polls got, like, maybe a couple thousand votes. But, like, when people saw that Teddy Bitcoins was buying votes, like, yellow got, like, 20 some thousand votes or something like that. But plebs, like, showed up in force, and it wasn't enough.

4:31Richard Greaser And so now people are just they're

4:33Kaz Biko really, really upset about it, and they think that we should not let Teddy Bitcoins defeat Lynn Olsen in the final four. Well, I mean, it wouldn't be a a Maxi Madness tournament if there weren't Maxis that were getting butthurt. So that's that's typical Bitcoin Twitter to see, people getting outraged about some meme. So I'm personally a fan of the chaos. I'd like to see it continue. I wouldn't be surprised if he upsets Lynn. It's probably gonna be an MSTR madness where we're gonna have Michael Sailor versus, Teddy Bitcoins.

5:07Richard Greaser Right. I I guess I I didn't understand the drama. Just like Teddy Bitcoins, he has Bitcoin in his name. He doesn't have it's not Teddy Crypto. It's Teddy Bitcoins. And then, you know, yeah, he sometimes tweets about MSTR, but like a lot of people do. It's, you mean, you go on what Bitcoin did, Preston Pich, like Saifedean, you could go on any of these podcasts to talk about MSTR. Rabbit will recap any of them. It's fine. Like, why is Teddy Bitcoins, you know, not allowed to do that? It's just what do you do you think that there are some unfair standards

5:40Richard Greaser in the Bitcoin space and in the culture that some people get to use Tether and, shit like that, and other people, they get, you know, chastised for it. Do you think there's double standards? Absolutely. I mean, there's a double standard with pretty much everything in Bitcoin.

5:57Kaz Biko This doesn't strike me as anything different. Yeah. I mean, I don't I don't have a lot to say. I mean, the people get to vote. You guys are putting on a democracy, and you guys are just putting it out there as a a media company, and you're letting people take their votes.

6:16Rod Palmer So, hey, I I kinda like the chaos. Do you do you have any words of advice for those who have their feelings hurt for people like, the Swan C suite who are very upset? Their feelings are very hurt by Teddy Bitcoin's winning.

6:32Kaz Biko I'd say touch grass. Get off the Internet, like, if you're getting your feelings hurt about a a meme bracket. Yeah. Yeah. I I heard that,

6:40Rod Palmer I heard a rumor that Swan's HR department, was advising the entire c suite of Swan Bitcoin to, take a mental health day. I think there's a few people that did take mental health days, so maybe they were actually going and touching grass this week. I can't. I can't tell I can't tell if you're being serious or not. We have we have breaking news

7:05Richard Greaser as we are having this interview with Kaz, Mikeo. Tenney Bitcoins is attempting to take Maxi Madness hostage. So this needs to be made aware. For he says proof of all my haters secretly love me or our break. I will step down from the Bitcoin bugle March Madness race if this address has 5,000,000 sats within the next twelve hours. And he posts a Bitcoin address. So if people donate 5,000,000 sats, he will

7:34Richard Greaser voluntarily step out of the race. This is breaking right now? This is breaking news. He just tweeted this. And I think that we should not give Teddy Bitcoins 5,000,000 sats. We should spend 5,000,000 sats to send bit Teddy Bitcoins home on our terms. But, yeah, he's he's trying to take it hostage right now.

7:54Kaz Biko What if he gets 5,000,000 sats and doesn't step down?

7:58Richard Greaser That's exactly what I'm saying. Right? Like, what if he gets 5,000,000 sats, doesn't step down, and still eats Lynn Alden and Michael Saylor? Then what? What does the winner get? Oh, Big Axe. It's a big tie stakes, but that's not the winner of the tournament. No. Excuse me. The winner of the bracket,

8:19Rod Palmer prediction. The win the winner of the bracket or the winner of the tournament gets eternal glory.

8:25Richard Greaser Alright. That's all. Yeah. So Teddy Bitcoins will have the eternal glory. He will have Ben. He will you know, everybody's called talks about Sailor. He's a hero. Teddy Bitcoins will slay his hero in Maxi Madness. Do we have the address? I'm gonna have to pull this up and look at it in mempool. Yeah. We're gonna have to watch it live throughout the interview. Well, yeah, pull it to mempool. I I think buying,

8:48Rod Palmer buying votes will be significantly less expensive. Okay. Here's the address. It has zero sets right now. Keep an eye on it. Yeah. We'll keep an eye throughout the interview. So, yeah. So, Kaz, one of the reasons why I like Fountain so much

9:08Rod Palmer is because the UX is bad. I think this is really important, you know, for a Bitcoin podcasting app. You want the UX to be bad because you want it to feel authentic. Right? You wanted the users of the product to feel like they're part of the revolution. You want them struggling with the UX, having technical difficulties

9:30Rod Palmer frequently, struggling to set the the payment splits, all the stuff like that. So are you concerned that you, with your new product bubble, could create a product with good UX and kinda take away from the revolution? Absolutely. Yeah. So

9:48Kaz Biko I mean, it wouldn't be, a Bitcoin podcasting app without struggling through the UX hurdles that Bitcoin just natively experiences. So that's how we're trying to disrupt it. We we see ourselves kind of like, I don't know, a micro strategy version of Bitcoin. You know, the UX is just a little bit easier for the normies. You know, you don't have to that I mean, this is probably why Teddy Bitcoins isn't gonna get any sats in this wallet because most of these people probably don't even know how to send them Bitcoin. Like, they're probably trying to open, like, their share account or something, send a micro strategy to this Bitcoin address, and it's not gonna work out. So we're kinda trying to make it a little bit easier on the UX side,

10:30Richard Greaser for the dumber Bitcoiners out there. Yeah. That is a really good point. I mean, one of the things that you find out in situations like this is that a lot of Bitcoiners, if you you have like an urgent situation, like you need to defeat Teddy Bitcoins in Maxi Madness, and so he doesn't embarrass Doctor. Adam Back, But but you don't have time to learn how to, like, actually set up your node and, like, send a peer to peer transaction.

10:58Richard Greaser Like, because Coinbase won't fucking withdraw to that wallet address, and you gotta do it yourself. And it's it's embarrassing. It's like Teddy Bitcoins knows how to use, you know, blockchain and transact adversarially

11:11Kaz Biko better than I do. Yeah. I I don't know what to say to that, honestly. But

11:19Richard Greaser how can you how can you what's a good way to learn? Like, how do you get this, you know, this value for value opportunity, with with podcasting?

11:30Kaz Biko Yeah. So we we don't have value for value in the Bubble app yet. It will be coming soon. I wanna abstract the Bitcoin away, to be honest. I think, trying to get people that are outside the Bitcoin space to understand Bitcoin by sending it through a podcast app is very niche. That's something that the Bitcoin cohort will probably understand.

11:56Kaz Biko And the difficulties in the UX there are probably because most people just they still think in dollars. And so even though that we have the ability to send Sats and stream Sats with value for value now, I think it would just be a simpler UX to actually make it appear like dollars,

12:18Kaz Biko and give people tools to, like, top up their account and to where they the Bitcoin is happening more behind the scenes rather than, like, in The U user experience, which a lot of these value for value apps I mean, Fountain's a great app. I'm not gonna trash Fountain. You guys can. But, I think they they led the way in in

12:41Kaz Biko utilizing some of these two point o features, but they're missing the mark a bit because it's it's an extremely niche community that's actually gonna use that. And if you're trying to derive revenue that way, I just don't see it it really playing out into the future. I think you need to utilize the tool, but give people away in the UX to make it feel like they're just spending dollars, and the rest is happening behind the scenes. And so that's what we're going for.

13:08Rod Palmer So what what does that exactly mean? So that mean you're gonna price things in USDT, or how how does the individual feel like they're using dollars while using Bitcoin?

13:21Kaz Biko So it's just clever UX. So it won't be priced in USDT or anything like that, and they still will be utilizing value for value in the in the two point o features with Sats. And so nothing like that will change. It's just more about how it's presented on the front end to the user. And, like, right now, okay, if you were to go to an app, you have to understand how to set up a Bitcoin wallet and then send a Bitcoin transaction into your fountain app

13:50Kaz Biko to start using these features. Whereas I think you could just have an account and say, okay. Well, do you wanna support a podcaster? Here is how you onboard. Here is $10 that you are purchasing and having and holding Bitcoin in that account. Doesn't require you to even know what an external wallet is, and

14:10Kaz Biko the rate that you're sending Bitcoin just appears like it's a dollar amount. You'll still be able to see the full Bitcoin amount, and that will still be there. And if you're a power user and you're a Bitcoiner, like, you can just flip whatever it's denominated in. But we're just we're gonna go towards an experience that it's like whatever the users are they're most likely to use. And then Bitcoin is the tool that's happening in the back end.

14:37Richard Greaser Yeah. It's like people will get excited and they're like magic Internet money. Hell, yeah. And then they go online and they find out you gotta have fucking seed phrases and you gotta have external wallets and hardware wallets. You got on chain transactions and lightning channels and, like, what the fuck? I thought I just could get on my phone and spend Bitcoin. It's supposed to be easy. I don't wanna deal with this really crazy bad user experience. And you're saying, like, there's no reason

15:05Kaz Biko to give all this bullshit to people. Just fucking show them the magic Internet money. Exactly. Magic Internet money is a great way to phrase, like, the abstraction that I'm talking about, and to where it's just presented to the user, like, it's just magic. It it feels like dollars to them, and they're spending Bitcoin on the back end. Yeah. It people, especially people in Bitcoin, especially conspiracy theorists. Right? They want to solve the mysteries.

15:31Richard Greaser So if you just give somebody an app, they can just magically spend money to anybody they want in the world Nobody can say no, nobody it's it's whatever, and just tell them it's magic, they'll be like, I call bullshit, and they will start digging to figure out what's going on behind the scenes instead of giving them a homework assignment on forty hours of Bitcoin podcast that they need to listen to to understand it. Just let them use it.

16:01Kaz Biko Exactly. I'm sure that's gonna piss a lot of Maxis off too because we wouldn't be leading with Bitcoin in the same way that some of these other apps are. That's fine. Fountain's taken on quite a bit of VC funding, and I'm I'm not really sure, like, what features they've really pushed out in the last few years, to be honest. And so we've bootstrapped it, and we're not taking on any funding. So we'll see who wins. It's just like the MSTR or the Maxi Madness. I almost called it MSTR Madness.

16:32Richard Greaser Oh, yeah. Yeah. Don't, don't get me wrong. We we love Fountain, and we love what they're doing for Bitcoin podcasters. And, we've made a lot of cigarette money thanks to Fountain. We just think that there has to be a podcast app for people who haven't listened to forty hours yet

16:52Richard Greaser and, you know, once they get to forty hours per week it's like boom, Fountain is the perfect thing for them But, yeah, you're like this is like onboarding people to forty hours per week. You can't leave with forty hours per week. Absolutely.

17:06Rod Palmer Well, I think this is kind of an interesting strategy. So, you know, one of the workarounds of you know, not everybody wants to join the revolution. Right? But it sounds like this application

17:19Rod Palmer is going to covertly recruit people to the revolution without them even knowing about it.

17:26Kaz Biko Bingo. That's what we're going for. It's I I don't think it's as much about, like, promoting how much of a Bitcoin you Bitcoin company you are or leading with having Bitcoin in an app. I think it's more about how do you onboard users to using Bitcoin without them even knowing that they're using it. I think Right. It's more of a psyop.

17:48Richard Greaser And the the contrarians here. Right? Like, you got Plattator. Plattator says that like, if you wear suits, he it's, he should

17:58Richard Greaser be terminated against. He says that you, if you don't use Bitcoin, he has like a bullet point list that you pinned to the Thomas profile. You have to have like an old shitty laptop. You have to run Bitcoin core on that, and you have to make your own entry. It's this huge mess. It's like that's how people really use Bitcoin. But the truth is you don't have to be, you know, a cipher punk to use Bitcoin.

18:23Rod Palmer People want better options. You don't have to be a cypherpunk to engage in the value for value economy. Exactly. So And and Bitcoin, in this case, does solve a technical issue, which is,

18:37Kaz Biko the micropayment side of actually streaming money. And so if we were gonna try to actually do that with dollars, it still would not be possible. To me, it's just a UX challenge. And so if we figured out the back end and podcasting two point o and value for value and streaming SATs exist, why not just make it easier for a user to understand how to do that?

19:03Rod Palmer Mhmm. Well, I think, everything or the thing that's on everybody's mind right now, the I'm sure a lot of people are listening to this, and they're they think it sounds good. I know Podkoff's listening to this episode, and they're wondering you know, one of the core tenants of Podkoff

19:21Rod Palmer is compliance is defiance. What what is the compliance side of this app look like in regards to payments? Could you elaborate? Well, I mean, is it gonna be friendly for, like, Monero Maxis that never want to,

19:41Rod Palmer upload a government ID to something, or is it gonna be friendly towards,

19:48Richard Greaser yeah. Do you have to do you have to have a driver's license or an NPUB

19:52Kaz Biko to log in? So right now, we don't have value for value in there. So you don't need a driver's license for anything. We don't have an in pub to log in. Again, I I love Nostr. We're we're gonna use utilize Nostr as well, but, again, not in a not in the traditional format that I think you're used to seeing, with some of the podcast apps out there. And so we're not gonna be bringing in, like, a Nostr feed or anything like that. I think of Nostr as, like Smart move. Smart move. There's too many good morning. Like, it's it's really nice to go to Nostr,

20:24Richard Greaser have a cup of coffee, and read 7,000 good mornings and reply and zaps every single one. It's like, that's my morning ritual. But what I'm trying to pay, you know, through my podcast app, I don't wanna read a thousand good mornings.

20:39Kaz Biko Yeah. To me, that that experience doesn't really make sense. I think the timeline of what's happening on Nostr doesn't necessarily need to be in a podcasting app, especially in, like, a front end way. I think Nostr is super cool, and there are some interesting use cases that I don't really see being slow explored as much. But they should be kind of hidden, and users should be, like, utilizing Nostr kind of in the same way that I'm talking about Bitcoin. Like, these are these protocols are tools, and presenting them in The U to a user who doesn't understand them in in the innate way that Bitcoiners do,

21:18Kaz Biko that's what leads to some of these UX challenges. And it's like, well, why is it hard to do these things? Well, it's like the protocol itself is pretty difficult to understand and use. And so if there's a way to abstract that to the user and just it's like, oh, yeah. Well, you're using Nostra. You're using Bitcoin. But it just doesn't feel that way. To me, that's even cooler than just showing it to a user to show it. So what does the

21:42Rod Palmer they look like from a technical standpoint? Like, are you gonna be using a service like Strike to convert dollars to Bitcoin? Or yeah. What do the technicals look like?

21:56Kaz Biko We haven't landed on anything there yet about specific like, what specific payment processor we're gonna use. We're not gonna be a money transmitter or anything like that. So to your point about the Monero Maxis, you will probably have to KYC for us to accomplish this UX that I'm talking about. You'll have to have some kind of account that you have dollars in, and so we're not gonna hold that account for you. And to get around the UX hurdles that I'm talking about, you couldn't bring an impub. You couldn't just bring your Bitcoin into it. And so you're gonna have to have,

22:37Kaz Biko in to your point about PodConf, a custodial account inside your podcast app. And if that pisses people off, that's fine. Then just don't use it.

22:47Richard Greaser 100%. It's I wanna applaud that. It's it takes courage. There's you know, whenever you are trying to build something like this, you have to look at those It's like, you know, a dozen or two people on Twitter like Seth for Privacy and, you know, SovereignMatt and, you know, those guys It's like, you have to tell a dozen people you keep my ad's not for you. But there's millions of others out there, really, it is for them, potentially.

23:18Richard Greaser How was, like what what those into thinking about how you do build the user experience, like, how you do make the app look and feel, because it seems like you're trying to help people just, like, use Bitcoin,

23:36Richard Greaser like, as a vibe instead of,

23:38Kaz Biko as a site for punk. You could say that. I mean, again, to your point about, the dozen people, like, yeah, there's been a few people already reach out, like, hey. How come I can't onboard and become a user without giving you an email address? And I'm like, there it's like 99.5%

23:58Kaz Biko of the world has to go through in a user experience where they create an email and a password. It's like that is what is most common. The cohort of Bitcoiners that get pissed off about that, and they're like, well, I I just wanna do it with nothing. It's like, okay. That's fine. We're not there yet. Maybe one day we will have a path for you to onboard where you we can have both. But right now, we've gotta prioritize, be building a company. And building it just for a small cohort of Bitcoiners is not necessarily what I'm at. Yeah. I mean, it's

24:29Richard Greaser funny the other day. You might know, like, somebody I know from Oklahoma, I won't talk to him, was was given some, you know, company shit about, requiring KYC. Then he's mad. He's like, he lives in one of the most,

24:47Richard Greaser like, easiest states to own Bitcoin, but Dennis Porter has gotten bills passed to protect people's right to use Bitcoin in Oklahoma. And he's like, I'm not gonna use this app unless I could spin up and use it without, you know, if I was in the middle of, Iran. It's like, Bunny, you're never gonna go to Iran. Like, just

25:06Kaz Biko chill out. The irony is we're actually prioritizing building to where our app performs, like, in those countries too. And so Right. One of the big things is we prioritize building on the web. And you can go to our website and immediately install, it's called a progressive web app.

25:24Kaz Biko And there's a few, you know, normies that reach out, and they're like, well, why haven't you, put it in the App Store yet? It's like, because they take 30% of the revenue, and we're building don't need it. Building a podcasting two point o app, which the entire the main company outside of Spotify that tried to centralize the podcasting index was Apple. So now we wanna build an app that goes in the App Store where they control this the, rankings in the App Store, and we give them 30% of the revenue. To me, it's just like we're prioritizing building building quickly. And the way we built it, we can deploy features, you know, in minutes to push fixes, where in the App Store, like, we'd have to bundle that and wait for Apple to to approve it and then give them a cut of the revenue.

26:09Richard Greaser Yep. Yeah. I mean, this is this is why Dennis Porter is so important, and his work makes it possible to have an improved user experience, because he he he protects all rights. And the the other thing is you don't need to have,

26:30Richard Greaser like, a an iPhone app or a Android app or, you know, one or the other. You can do all this all the stuff you need to do with the PWA and the user, all of this is a new website for them to go to. They don't have to update NAT constantly or deal with that, and it's it's easier for both sides. So why do you think they're not more popular?

26:51Kaz Biko I don't I don't have a great answer. I'd say there's some technical sides of it that until very recently, like, Apple didn't support some of these PWA features. And so the PWA apps, like, didn't have, push notifications for a long time, and they didn't have the ability to, like, look and feel like an app. And now, not just on the Apple side, but just

27:16Kaz Biko the the actual JavaScript and the React frameworks that exist, they're just much quicker. And so you'll you'll see, like, some of the iOS apps are, like, you know, 50 megabytes, whereas, like, a PWA can sometimes be, like, five kilobytes. And so you're talking about, like, a 99% difference in size.

27:38Kaz Biko And so the page load, is sometimes eight to ten seconds quicker in a PWA. And so that's the user experience we're going for. It's like, if you try to pull up at your app and it's slow because of a network connection, you're gonna blame the app. And it's because the user doesn't really understand what's going on, and they just blame the app where it's like, it's actually loading because of all these other issues in your network or you're on, like you're in a low bandwidth area like Iran, and maybe they're on, like, a two g network. But there's millions of people, billions of people out there on these on these networks, and there's a ton of users that you could then be bringing on and educating them,

28:18Kaz Biko forty hours a week. And so, one of the big things that we're building is, like, we launched this search engine. And so for the people that don't have the time and they, their Bitcoin podcasting is not their job, they're not putting in forty hours a week. We have a way for them to understand narratives and quickly find what people are talking about based on the spoken word of what's happening in these podcasts. So

28:44Kaz Biko to me, the podcast player, like, we're not trying to necessarily monetize that in any way. We want people to come on, and it's just it's utilizing these new podcasting two point o features. It's quick, and it works, but there's other things around the app that we are trying to monetize that actually help podcasters get discovered and put their content in front of a new audience, and then at the same time, help people cut through the noise and find what they want to listen to. Yeah. That's

29:13Richard Greaser that's that's a good way to put good way to put it. I do I I wanted to get your I don't know if you're a gambling man, but would you wager that you get, the ability to have lightning in your app before Swan does? I'm not a gambling man,

29:32Kaz Biko but I I would probably bet yes that we Hell yeah. Hell yeah. And some of these things become challenges. And so I actually did a podcast yesterday, with Max Gagliardi, and he gave me an idea on the show. I think it's gonna be I think it's gonna be great for Bitcoin podcasters, to be quite honest.

29:54Kaz Biko It will be a new tool for help helping people discover, and it's gonna be built off the back of the search that we built. And we're now racing to push that out before he releases the episode we did yesterday. So we're racing against the clock. I'd love to beat him and say, hey. You gave me this awesome idea on the episode.

30:14Rod Palmer We built it quicker than you could publish the show. Well, unfortunately, you're not gonna be able to beat us, I don't think. Well, I don't think so. We publish our shows pretty quick. That's how you do it. You should just hit fire. Yeah. What what is Max doing? Why is he gonna take so long to to edit and publish a show?

30:32Richard Greaser Because he's freaking,

30:34Rod Palmer this guy manages Airbnbs, man. Is this like, he's a Bitcoin miner. Right? Yes. That means he's kind of a Neanderthal of sorts.

30:43Kaz Biko Aren't we all?

30:45Richard Greaser Well, I don't know. No. I used to listen to Max's, energy podcast. He's a, he's more of an energy guy. He's like the bot well, I mean, he's a energy guy first, a Bitcoin miner second, not like a Neanderthal, like, screw, Turner.

31:01Rod Palmer Mhmm. So just, like, a technical question, about the search engine. I mean, it sounds like a pretty cool feature. Is this you said it picks up on keywords. So is it required for podcasters, you know, in order to really take advantage of this to, upload transcripts or those automatically generated in some way

31:25Richard Greaser based on that? Generating those.

31:27Kaz Biko It helps if the podcaster uploads it because then, we don't have to, like, pull it and do it ourselves. But at the end of the day, like, we still have to run it through our system, and index, vectorize all that stuff, summarize it. And so it's a bit more than just just the transcript, but it it would help. And you guys are in there, by the way. I was, doing some searches before the show. Interesting.

31:55Rod Palmer I'll have to play around with it. That sounds like an interesting feature.

32:01Richard Greaser Yeah. I'm I'm gonna need it at my mom cannot use fountain. She's gonna need something because my dad makes her buy, like, all these crazy phones that he gets off eBay. So she doesn't have, like, you know, she's gonna have Android or Saint, you know, fucking Blueberry, whatever, a Blackberry, excuse me. So she needs, like, a, an easy app that she doesn't have to convert Sats. This would be for this would be how I get my mom listening forty hours per week.

32:28Rod Palmer Mhmm. There you go. Well, sounds cool. It sounds like, it's an application that we have to, you know, explore a little bit. So is it you said there's a kinda like a beta version, a web app that you can download on your phone?

32:42Kaz Biko Yep. If you visit bubblbubble.fm, and at the top of the home page, you click install. You can add it directly to your home screen. So we go around the App Store. That's the, benefit of the PWA, and then you're up and running. You don't ever have to update the app or anything like that. We push all the updates, and they immediately show up.

33:04Kaz Biko You know, we're pushing updates usually all day long every day, so it's it improves pretty quickly. And we actually didn't start with a podcasting app. We started with the idea of building podcast digests. So this is another feature in the app to understand, what is happening in a particular topic. So we have, like, a 120 of these different digests,

33:29Kaz Biko Bitcoin being one of them. And we pull together all of these shows based on the transcripts of what's happening and put together, here is a weekly digest of what all the Bitcoin podcasters are talking about. And so you guys being a media company could utilize something like the Bitcoin Digest to just say, hey. Here's a rundown of what happened this week.

33:52Richard Greaser Oh, no. Yeah. Timmy Tether would love to read the Bitcoin Digest. That guy is a sponge for Bitcoin podcast, listening and and experience. He's like, boomer. I think he listens to me podcast.

34:06Kaz Biko There you go. And if you don't have the forty hours a week to put in, we basically build this off of the clips. And so the digest have, you know, six or seven different narratives of what is happening, and it takes you directly to listen to that moment in the show where you don't have to listen to all forty hours of, you know, 15 to 20 different shows. You just find the highlights of what people are talking about and read at the same time. It's multimedia. You can listen. You can read,

34:36Kaz Biko and you get a download of what's happening. But

34:40Richard Greaser if you're listening to this, I want you to go in when you, boost boost those stats on, you know, from Most or or on Fountain, let us know if you would like to have, like, a weekly show where Timmy Tather just read all the

34:59Richard Greaser the bubble, Bitcoin Podcast Digest and then would like sounds like you can have segments where it stops and you listen to, like, the part that was really fucking thermodynamically sound, and you cut back and you get to read the digest for the rest. That sounds like a great idea.

35:16Kaz Biko Exactly. I love the thermodynamically sound comment there. And the idea is that you can use it to build content as well. And so, like, you guys being a media company, you guys could just say, hey. We're gonna we're gonna have the Bitcoin digest. We're about to launch it, in a an additional feature on that where you'll be able to customize it. And so you guys could have your own, Bugle Digest that's maybe not as

35:42Kaz Biko sophisticated or formal as the generic Bitcoin one, and it has a bit more of, like, the meme context of what's happening. And it could be a live asset that you guys use on your shows.

35:53Richard Greaser I wanna push back a little bit. Why would the Bugle's Bitcoin podcast not be as sophisticated as, for example, the Macro podcast? What are you saying? Like It was a compliment, actually.

36:06Kaz Biko You guys just you guys put out memes. You guys are funny. And so the Bitcoin digest is a bit more formal. I figured you guys might want something more, catered to your audience that has a bit more context to, the Maxi Madness stuff in there. Yeah. Like, we don't have for We don't we don't have, like, the Maxi Madness stuff in there, for example. Like, that could be something that's, like, unique to your show, that has a bit more of that context.

36:33Richard Greaser Yeah. If you like to listen to Bitcoin podcast in your, cargo shorts instead of a suit, Bitcoin oh, the Bugle Weekly is the podcast for you. I wanna kinda shift gears. So,

36:46Rod Palmer you've done a lot of work with, Dennis Porter in Oklahoma. Dennis has, he's brought a lot of permission to do things we already have permission to do in the the great state of Oklahoma. So what what has been working with Dennis

37:04Rod Palmer been like? And, what what are the changes you've experienced, with the legislation that you've been working on with him? So we,

37:14Kaz Biko we work on some of the bills that Dennis has put put together. We don't converse with Dennis that often, to be quite honest. Nothing against Dennis. We just it's not like we're working day in and day out with, Dennis.

37:33Kaz Biko And so, like, for example, the strategic Bitcoin reserve is not something that we have permission to do in Oklahoma. And our strategic reserve bill is a little bit different than some of the other states is that it gives permission to the treasurer to actually buy Bitcoin, which they do not have right now. So that's an example of something that we don't have right now that

37:58Kaz Biko could benefit from legislation.

37:60Richard Greaser Yeah. I mean, we feel we feel here too, man. Like, we also wish that, we could work more closely on a daily basis with, Dennis Porter. But, unfortunately, he's very busy orange pilling, all the states and the

38:15Kaz Biko Yeah. He works he works more at the national level, and we work, like, on the ground in Oklahoma. So it was like a travel to travel preacher coming in, just doing his part and hitting the rip. You could say that. Have you taken any selfies with Dennis? I wish. I that's still on my bucket list. I haven't been able to make that happen yet, but hopefully soon.

38:38Richard Greaser I saw that, simply, Nico and b BTC Sessions, they got a selfie with Dennis today at, mining disrupt for something in Miami. But, damn, like, super jealous. They were with Samsung too. Samsung got a selfie with Dennis. Wow. That's awesome.

38:53Rod Palmer I didn't see that. Samsung really got a selfie with Dennis.

38:57Richard Greaser Yeah. How often does Sampson now get to, you know, take a selfie with somebody who has orange pilled more politicians in more nation states than him? Very rarely. So it was probably just like a really, like, great opportunity. Paul is really proud.

39:15Rod Palmer Do you think nation states adopted Bitcoin

39:19Richard Greaser because of that selfie? That'd be like the, what's the Grevalho Princep moment that, started World War one. That might be the selfie that, is like the the catalyst to hyperbitcoinization.

39:35Kaz Biko Mhmm. It might be.

39:36Rod Palmer The shot heard around the world. Dennis Porter in Samson Mauer. Incredible. Paul Revere at Bitcoin.

39:43Richard Greaser While David Bailey is in Asia, I mean, that's pretty, like something is is in the works here. Buckle up.

39:50Rod Palmer We've got we've got Dylan Leclerc. This has been a week big it's been a huge week. So we've got Teddy Bitcoin looking like the favorite to win Maxi Madness. We've got Dylan LeClaire

40:04Rod Palmer meeting with Nintendo on their Bitcoin, reserve policy. Is he actually doing that? Well, Rod, you broke that story. Right? Mitch,

40:14Richard Greaser can you repeat the the story?

40:17Rod Palmer Dylan LeClaire meeting with Nintendo.

40:20Richard Greaser Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So right off the heels of the GameStop, GameStop is adopting a strategic Bitcoin reserve. Boom. Nintendo got on the the line with, with David Bailey to get the introduction to Dylan, and they're gonna get him over there to give a presentation to

40:41Richard Greaser the the interns about a strategic Bitcoin reserve at Nintendo.

40:47Kaz Biko Sorry. That was accidental. This is how we get hyper Bitcoinization.

40:51Rod Palmer Yeah. And then and then to top that off, we've got Dennis Porter and Samson Malo taking selfies with each other. Wasn't something really big supposed to happen, like, last week? I there was, like, a picture of a

41:03Kaz Biko a mining something that happened, and there was a a big square, like, table with all the chairs, and everybody was tweeting, like, this is the room that it happened in. Be prepared. And then I've been sitting on the edge of my seat for the last week, but I haven't seen anything. What do you guys think that's about?

41:23Richard Greaser I don't I don't know if I am aware of that viral post, but it sounds like which day was this? Because I'm trying to see if it matches up with, this weekend.

41:38Kaz Biko It may have been this past weekend. Yeah. It was like, this is gonna be a big week or something. Michael Saylor tweeted something about it, and there was an empty conference room with a bunch of chairs. That was that was GameStop. That was the GameStop decision.

41:52Richard Greaser Oh, that was GameStop. Okay. Yeah. That's what the GameStop yesterday, because they said they're gonna buy $1,500,000,000 worth of Bitcoin using the the sailor strategy and fold Bitcoin strategy of,

42:07Richard Greaser buying

42:08Rod Palmer Bitcoin on one of them. Could have been in reference too to to Josh Mandel. You know, I think people are just bullish right now because, according to his model,

42:21Kaz Biko we're gonna run the tables. Well, you can't run the table unless you've already sold all your chairs. So I'm I'm ready for it.

42:29Richard Greaser Oh, yeah. And, yo, to to piggyback on that, Dieter Dieter Bob has been posting some very bullish, line chart lines

42:39Kaz Biko on Twitter. So if Dieter is bullish, that's usually a good sign. Just like we need more Bitcoin podcasters, I think we need more Bitcoin models. So the more models out there, the higher Bitcoin price goes regardless of what the model says.

42:54Rod Palmer Well, I think the most important model out there right now is the Bitcoin podcast power law, which you're kind of existing or assisting in. Like, the as we create more Bitcoin podcasts, we're gonna need more Bitcoin podcasting apps. Exactly.

43:10Kaz Biko And the more Bitcoin podcasts out there, the the more we need to be able to search through them and actually find what they're saying. So that's what we're going for. Finding signal. Exactly. More Bitcoin podcasts

43:22Rod Palmer equal more Bitcoin podcasting apps equals more signal equals higher price.

43:30Kaz Biko That math makes sense to me.

43:33Rod Palmer It's very simple. I mean, I I don't know why, like, my model hasn't taken off more. It it makes the most sense. I mean, it's just very, very logical. If everybody in the world starts a Bitcoin podcast, they're gonna at least get a couple listeners to their podcast. It's gonna paint the whole world orange. Not I mean, not everybody in the world, but you you have to think about it. Like, you know, there there's listeners out here.

43:57Rod Palmer They're sitting with their arms crossed, holding their nose or turning up their nose at the idea of more Bitcoin podcast. They got a nasally voice like Platter. They're like, we have too many Bitcoin podcasts. The reality

44:15Rod Palmer is they that those those are the people we need to convince to start the podcast for the price to really take off. I'm trying to think I I think there's one last topic I wanna discuss with you before we go into the fountain boost, to wrap up the show. But, you know, Kaz, people people have accused you of having some anti.

44:37Rod Palmer You used to be an employee at Swan. I don't know. Do you consider yourself do you do you think you have anti, or you or you think you're in the clear? What are your thoughts on that? I think I'm in the clear.

44:52Kaz Biko I think, I call anybody out. It and if it if it's justified, I think I'll call them out. It doesn't really matter if I'm friends with you or not. I think I look for the truth in things and sorry. Excuse me. And that's that's what I talk about on my my Twitter account. And so I actually tweeted last week. I was like, I'm gonna get rid of this. And then I thought more on it, and I was like, no.

45:17Kaz Biko This is how we recruit more people to Bitcoin and and get the price higher. I just need to talk more shit. Yeah. I just I guess Richard is probably asking because it seems like you retweet

45:29Richard Greaser Booty and HODL Magoo quite a bit, when they're teasing Swan. So Neat. People thought maybe you might yeah. People think you might have, like, some anti Swanitism or something.

45:40Kaz Biko Hottle Magoo sucks. I don't see his tweets because he's blocked, so there's no chance I've retweeted anything he said.

45:48Richard Greaser Hey. I think a lot of people can agree

45:50Rod Palmer on one thing. The Tahlel McGhee sucks. Well, a little bit of a check-in little bit of a check-in from, earlier on the episode. It looks like Teddy Bitcoins currently has no Bitcoin in his Azure or his wallet.

46:05Richard Greaser Wow. I thought he was I thought I thought for sure people were gonna pay at least some people were gonna pay the ransom, but they

46:14Rod Palmer they're not doing it. Yeah. It's been a while since we did, behind the podcast. Our our last episode was yellow. This is all the way back at the end of February, it looks like. We're currently at the end of March, so it's it's been roughly a month. We've been we've been busy preparing for Matchy Madness. It's been a busy month to say the least. So, Kaz, I don't know if you've ever listened to, an episode of Behind the Podcast.

46:43Rod Palmer I assume because our backlog's a little bit longer here. But we we've got two questions that we ask everybody before we go into the fountain boost, for the previous episode. First question is,

46:58Rod Palmer did you listen to the episode with yellow that we did?

47:03Kaz Biko I did not.

47:04Richard Greaser The second question we ask is, are you Jewish? I am not. Why? We doubt there's no, specific reason we ask except for, if you have listened to the other one, you might understand the context of some of our fountain booths. Sometimes we get some pretty,

47:26Richard Greaser in the weeds podcast, boosts and you know if you can if you can, translate that.

47:35Rod Palmer Are you, do do you have any insecurities

47:38Kaz Biko about not being Jewish? No. I do not. Are you are you proud to not be Jewish? I'm proud to be who I am. I'm sure if I was Jewish, I'd proud to be proud to be Jewish.

47:49Richard Greaser I'm not, though. So I'm Fundamentals is fundamentals. I don't know.

47:54Rod Palmer If you're if you were Jewish, do you think you would work in Hollywood, or would you be more on the, like, with writing side of things or podcasting? Where where do you think you'd be more involved if you were Jewish, or would you be in accounting? Probably probably some money side of Bitcoin. Okay. Me too. Yeah. Alright. Well, let's get into the found base. So,

48:20Rod Palmer the last show, just for some context, Kaz, we did interview Yellow. So we we discussed some memeing. We discussed, his last year in Maxi Madness, what it was like for him to win, Greek mythology.

48:36Rod Palmer We went all over the place in this episode. But, yeah, this is something that we do on it on every, every show. Is this Shadrach, Rob? Yeah. That's that's Shadrach. Interesting. Well, Shadrach posted the show for 10,000 and, didn't leave a comment. I I I'm just struggling to understand the fountain UX here. So, does this mean he did a clip of the show, or he just posted the show on the roster or something?

49:03Richard Greaser I think he just posted it with, zap. And maybe he zapped the, because that's one time sometimes they can zap a post from Fountain or, like, a post from somebody else's, comment, and then it'll just go to your noster wall, but it doesn't distinguish if it's a booster or not. Interesting. Oh, thanks, Shadrach.

49:24Rod Palmer I guess we don't have to The the wants to talk about. Are you familiar with who Shadrach is, Kaz?

49:30Kaz Biko I am not. I don't know who that is. Okay.

49:34Rod Palmer Shadrach's great. Shadrach's a oh, wow. Corey Clifton just DM'd me. Shadrach's got, a van that he painted orange. He's got a mobile podcasting studio. That's pretty badass. What show does he do? He's I don't think he has a show. I think he just has a podcast studio that he drives around with. But I don't think he actually podcast.

49:53Richard Greaser Yeah. Yeah. He just lives in a podcast studio. He doesn't have a podcast. He's building like the analog version of Bubble. No. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think Shadrach is just, he is one of those dudes who, if you saw him, he'd be like, Oh, like he smokes cigarettes. He listens to Bitcoin podcasts. He doesn't fucking KYC unless he absolutely has to fucking

50:15Richard Greaser really smart, living a life, a sovereign and one of those dudes that just he lives in a Bitcoin podcast studio, but, you know, on a cot, like, that's just, it's all he's got.

50:31Richard Greaser It's like a street, like one of those people living in, like, a van going surfing.

50:37Rod Palmer Well, I I I think Shadrach should start a Bitcoin podcast. I think that'd be a good Me too. And if you if you have a if you live in a podcast studio, you might as well start a podcast for the price of Bitcoin. Right. No excuse.

50:52Richard Greaser It is kinda a strange thing. Well, he's rich. Think about it, Shadrach. Think about it.

50:57Kaz Biko Oh, yeah. He's got Shadrach. One boost than, Teddy Bitcoin's gotten as well. Doesn't surprise me whatsoever.

51:04Richard Greaser We got the next one from Rakan. 4,000 sats. Bad UX is a revolution, no doubt. But bit but bad podcast episodes take the revolution to another level. Great bad job. Don't know don't know how to interpret that one

51:22Richard Greaser except for, say that, you know, 4,000 sats that's value for value. There's nothing in there. Talking about our podcast. It must have been Oh, yeah. It might must have had an accident.

51:35Rod Palmer This is kind of an encouraging message from Pink Monkey. Next message says, listening to the Bugle Weekly cured my autism. Or, actually, I don't know. Is that cool, or is that problematic?

51:46Richard Greaser Maybe it's, I don't know, actually. I don't know if they're if they're warning others or they are, like, trying to tell them that's It looks like he submitted it as an anonymous first and then went back and said, no. I'm gonna dox myself. No. That's just a bad UX of of fountain combining with Nostril, combining with your fountain account.

52:08Rod Palmer Yeah. Sometimes you got a boost and a double boost for some reason. Yeah.

52:13Kaz Biko Okay.

52:15Richard Greaser It's also, you know, it is some of these comments, it's like, it's easy to because of the bad UX, you just get like a negative comment. It's like, oh, they didn't even mean to comment on our show. They don't usually get those. Yeah. I feel like every time we get a negative comment, it's generally a mistake. I don't know why we'd receive negative comments.

52:33Kaz Biko See, I always thought Bitcoin podcasts, like, caused more autism. So that's a pretty interesting comment.

52:40Richard Greaser Maybe if you're already autistic, it cures it, but if you're not autistic, you turns you autistic. I mean That makes sense to me. I would argue that we need more autism. That's actually how we get hyper Bitcoinization. Yeah. Hyper autism autism. It's good to ever it's a bit that a lot of normies got, the vaccine, the COVID vaccine, because that probably will help accelerate turn people autistic.

53:02Rod Palmer Seems to really work to 2020. Like, the 2020 cycle is exciting. Mhmm. There are a lot of Bitcoin podcasts start started in 2020, that's for sure.

53:11Richard Greaser Yeah. After people started getting vaccinated. The next one is from Audi. I know Audi is from one of the funny European countries, and he thinks yellow tops funny. So, yeah. Yeah. Yellow is, you know, from, from Rome or Italy.

53:29Richard Greaser So,

53:30Rod Palmer yeah, funny accent. I like that, Odie's got the 40 HPW

53:36Kaz Biko logo in his profile. I think that's pretty cool. Can you guys explain this meme to me? This 40 HPW?

53:43Richard Greaser Yep. Forty hours per week. Oh, forty hours per week. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. That's how many Bitcoin podcasts that, like, you need to listen to. Like, if you listen to forty hours Bitcoin podcasts per week, you're gonna know what's happening. You're gonna be able to afford to pay your taxes. You're gonna be able to be on the forefront of, like, AI and all the technology. It is gonna be ahead of everybody. Mhmm. And friends with Dennis Porter Porter

54:11Kaz Biko to where you can get a selfie.

54:13Rod Palmer Yeah. For many people, it is achievable. We've been could you could you put in a good word for with Dennis for us? We've been trying to get him on the podcast. I I don't know why he hasn't, come on our show yet. He he likes to do a lot of podcasts, but for some reason, he hasn't

54:31Kaz Biko ever Does he not respond to you guys?

54:33Rod Palmer Not usually. I mean, I I send him DMs periodically. I like, you know, I like to thank him for, you know, like, if I have sex with my wife and it's, like, really good sex,

54:45Richard Greaser I'll I'll generally message him and and and thank him for, helping keeping me hard through it. I think there's a lot of people like that. I think I think you just get a lot it's a lot of DMs like that, and it's hard to answer all of them. Peter McCormick did answer all of them. So Dennis Porter, you could always have at least somebody to look up to you that's, willing to work and deal harder on Bitcoin.

55:09Rod Palmer Yeah. I mean, I'm sure he probably gets tired of hearing about people's, like, good sex. You know what I mean? But, a lot of people are appreciative of it. Like, if it you know, you're if you're kinda like an older guy

55:26Rod Palmer and, you have trouble keeping it Yeah.

55:29Richard Greaser Like Imagine you're Greg Foss. You've had a couple too many Canadian whiskeys. You get home. You listen to a Bitcoin podcast, and you wanna bang your wife, and it's it's not there. Throw on some Dennis Porter, and it's it's gonna be a good night.

55:47Rod Palmer Well, what I actually have my wife do is I have her whisper Dennis Porter in my ear, and that's what does it. You know, like, some people like to, like, talk dirty during sex. I I just like to talk to Dennis. Yeah. Me and my wife have different political views, so it's nice to have a bipartisan,

56:04Richard Greaser influence in the in the bed. You've got a lot of interesting relationships going on here on. Yeah. It's, the bull market is a volatile time in the price, and it's a volatile time in my, romantic

56:19Rod Palmer Well, anyways, next boost, BTC on board, 200 sats, lightning, lightning, thumbs up, thumbs up.

56:27Richard Greaser Appreciate it. And the last one is from the one and only Pies, 100 sats. He hit us with a comment v for v, value for value, hashtag forty hours per week. And I know I say it every week, but every time I open the Found app I see that Pies has listened to another Bitcoin podcast and he has,

56:49Richard Greaser commented forty hours per week so probably our number one sales, sales guy or marketing guy is Pies, and this is, you know, this is what we wanted to do with the Bugle. We wanted to take X cause, guys who've been in prison, done some drugs, fucking a little bit noncompliant. And we wanted to, make them bill make them our billboards for how forty hours per week sets you on the on the the straight and narrow. My question for you, Kaz. So are you familiar with who PIES is? No. I'm not.

57:23Rod Palmer So so Pies is, like, the most valuable Bitcoin podcast listener. He he's the person he listens he covers the most Easily. Yeah. If you have me give me one Pies

57:35Richard Greaser over, you know, like, five of those guys that, once every two years, they ball or boost somebody off that. Give me Pies who is just fucking bringing

57:47Kaz Biko in, spreading the message, spreading the signal. I mean, he's He's resistant. He's like the Bitcoin blocks.

57:52Rod Palmer Yeah. I mean, you you see him in the fountain booths of, like, pretty much every podcast on fountain. So I'd be curious to see what it would take

58:04Richard Greaser for you to convince him to switch from fountain to bubble. I don't think you need to have to switch. I think I think Pies were probably Pies is, like, the most energetic, enthusiastic, fucking hardworking guy for Bitcoin more than anybody that you'll see on Twitter. He is working harder for Bitcoin, I would say, more than Dennis Porter in a lot of ways, at least for Bitcoin podcasters.

58:28Kaz Biko Number one We need more pies. We definitely need more pies. That needs to be in the, the number go up equation somewhere. Yep.

58:37Rod Palmer I agree. And I and I think the only way that we get more pies is we get more podcasts. The the supply has I believe. The supply has to outpace the demand for the demand to increase, in my opinion. Basic Austrian economics right here. Makes sense. Well, yeah, we just got through the pound boost.

58:60Richard Greaser Rod, do you got any closing thoughts or or questions for Kaz? Kaz, tomorrow, it as of right now, it looks like it's gonna be Michael Saylor versus Teddy Bitcoins in the Maxi Madness final. Who are you voting for? Man, that's tough. I'm probably gonna Well, I guess you don't have to say. Who do you think the plebs are gonna vote? Vote? I have a strong feeling Teddy Bitcoins wins for some reason. Interesting. So I wonder if it, it just seems inevitable. I guess we'll find out. We will.

59:29Rod Palmer What is what is going on with Twitter right now? Everybody's posting animated pictures.

59:35Richard Greaser Have you noticed this trend? Yeah. It's turning the everything's becoming anime. Why is this turning into the timeline is turning cartoonish, some might say. Teddi Bitcoins was, one of the first

59:49Kaz Biko caricatures that popped up. Yeah. It's this, Studio Ghibli style anime. Everybody's using chat GPT and just taking memes and running it through this anime filter. I think it's pretty funny, to be honest. It's today's been one of the most fun days on Twitter in a while.

1:00:06Rod Palmer Oh, I think this is great. Well, you think Lyn Alden's hot as an anime character? Probably. I thought she was pretty hot as an anime character. She she was, like, doing a bunch of, bunch of anime

1:00:17Richard Greaser of herself. Yeah. I would say, AI really does a good job of, understanding that Linaldum is hot when it, makes its pictures over. If AI understands, I don't see how people can deny it.

1:00:34Kaz Biko I'm seeing Lynn's feed right now. I didn't see any of hers posted today. Oh, that's a shame.

1:00:39Rod Palmer I feel like a good thing to do is to set notifications for every time Lynn posts. This is insane. Literally, every so It's like the biggest meme trend I've seen in a while. Yeah. I think the last one that was as big as this was the JD Vance one.

1:00:55Kaz Biko Yeah. I saw some people running JD Vance through the meme the Studio Ghibli meme too.

1:01:01Richard Greaser Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is this is gonna go like, man, you know what you know what sucks? If this were came out two weeks ago, then Maxi Madness would have been so much funnier

1:01:14Kaz Biko when so many more anime characters probably would have been You guys should do some of it for the finals.

1:01:19Richard Greaser We are. We are. But it's like it would have been nice to have her for the whole time, and it made my life easier. Well, anyways,

1:01:28Rod Palmer yeah. Wanna thank you for coming on the show, Kaz. Definitely interested in looking into your, podcasting,

1:01:35Kaz Biko doodad. Thank you guys for having me. It's been fun.