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I said, this was social capital</span> <span class="cue" id="t-47" data-t="47">price discovery.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-49">0:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-49" data-t="49">And that's exactly what it turned out to be because the social capitalist,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-53" data-t="53">Rev Hoddle,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-55" data-t="55">is joining us today.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-57" data-t="57">He's proven</span> <span class="cue" id="t-59" data-t="59">that the Maxi Madness</span> <span class="cue" id="t-61" data-t="61">can be and was a smashing success. Thank you to the primal developers,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-66">1:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-66" data-t="66">to to Milt Mijon, Paul Keating,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-69" data-t="69">all the guys over there who made this possible.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-74" data-t="74">Rev,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-75" data-t="75">how's it going? Are you still are you still feeling the afterglow</span> <span class="cue" id="t-79" data-t="79">of your of your win?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-81" data-t="81">I saw you had a corny chat</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-83">1:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-83" data-t="83">last night</span> <span class="cue" id="t-84" data-t="84">with, in the winner's circle. How how's it been</span> <span class="cue" id="t-87" data-t="87">since last week when you took home</span> <span class="cue" id="t-90" data-t="90">all the all the glory?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-93">1:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-93" data-t="93">Oh, well, I'm still recovering, you know. It's good to it's good to be able to talk about it while it's still fresh. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-99" data-t="99">yeah, it takes a lot of work to participate in Maxi Madness. If anyone listened to the the Twitter spaces with,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-106" data-t="106">Aaron and Casey, it sounds like they had spent,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-110" data-t="110">quite a bit of time,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-112" data-t="112">participating as well. And I think that's just what it takes in order to win. You have to really,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-117" data-t="117">prove that you're the one having the most fun. You know? So I had a little bit of fun last night kinda just explaining my strategy,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-125">2:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-125" data-t="125">and how I used, permaculture, the lens through which to view the competition.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-129" data-t="129">And I think that's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-131" data-t="131">how I came up with the winning strategy, but I was by no means doing it by myself. Like you said,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-136" data-t="136">the social capital was the key component</span> <span class="cue" id="t-139" data-t="139">in, pulling it all together.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-142">2:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-142" data-t="142">Hey.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-144" data-t="144">Explain what you mean by</span> <span class="cue" id="t-146" data-t="146">because you talked about this in corny chat last night</span> <span class="cue" id="t-149" data-t="149">about permaculture</span> <span class="cue" id="t-151" data-t="151">and how this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-153" data-t="153">is relate how it relates to Maxi Madness and your path to victory over</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-160">2:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-160" data-t="160">you you beat a very hot person in the championship,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-164" data-t="164">an international</span> <span class="cue" id="t-165" data-t="165">sensation,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-166" data-t="166">just got off tour</span> <span class="cue" id="t-169" data-t="169">with Sabaton</span> <span class="cue" id="t-170" data-t="170">in Europe</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-171">2:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-171" data-t="171">singing,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-172" data-t="172">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-174" data-t="174">you you soundly defeated Noah. So could you explain</span> <span class="cue" id="t-178" data-t="178">how this works and why you you think that's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-182" data-t="182">this permaculture</span> <span class="cue" id="t-184" data-t="184">phenomenon</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-185">3:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-185" data-t="185">is what vaulted you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-187" data-t="187">to the championship.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-190">3:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-190" data-t="190">Well, in permaculture, there's three ethics, earth care, people care, and the third ethic I call non extraction. And the non extraction ethic is a big component of this, especially when you when you tie in the the game theory of the prediction markets,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-203" data-t="203">the predicts market.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-205" data-t="205">In addition to that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-206" data-t="206">permaculture operates with, this viewpoint of systems succeeding from one phase to the next. And so in order to, in in the instance of Maxi Madness, the the whole tournament is a series of rounds. In each round, as you win, you succeed into the next round, but each round is different than the round before it. So a new strategy must be employed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-226" data-t="226">in order to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-227" data-t="227">take that round down.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-229">3:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-229" data-t="229">And and and so in permaculture, we also talk about these mixtures of of plants, working together in ecosystem. We call that a polyculture.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-237" data-t="237">And so when you look at, the social capital that I employed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-241" data-t="241">in order to, take down the whole thing, I I viewed the different,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-247" data-t="247">I guess, pools of social capital that I had built up either through Gnostr,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-251" data-t="251">through these group chats, or through the meetups that I go to as different,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-256" data-t="256">plants, you could say, in this ecosystem of, like, a food forest.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-260">4:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-260" data-t="260">And so it was it was a it was a whole,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-264" data-t="264">thought process of how and when to utilize</span> <span class="cue" id="t-266" data-t="266">each</span> <span class="cue" id="t-268" data-t="268">pool of social capital, each plant in this polyculture system, and and choose the when to deploy those, to glean the yields from that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-276" data-t="276">based on what process of succession</span> <span class="cue" id="t-279" data-t="279">what part of the succession in the tournament it was.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-283">4:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-283" data-t="283">It's very cool.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-286" data-t="286">It it was fun to to watch it, you know, from behind the scenes and and just see it all play out. I was very active in the the group chats. You were very active in the group chats. Now the question I have for you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-298" data-t="298">do you feel like you spent all your social capital?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-302" data-t="302">Did you gain social capital?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-306" data-t="306">Do you have to refill your social capital?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-309" data-t="309">What what's the, you know, kind of the process of next steps for you after this victory?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-315">5:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-315" data-t="315">Well, so and a big part of my strategy was to create incentives</span> <span class="cue" id="t-319" data-t="319">for people to participate. And, you know, the Meshedel really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-323" data-t="323">won this thing. The Meshedale was the group chat that took down Odell in the semifinals, but they were there right with me the whole time. I mean, if you go back and look at the results, you see these names from the Meshedale Meshedale. They were boosting big without me sort of asking for any favors the whole time.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-340" data-t="340">But, you know, I did have to eventually say, look. If I'm gonna win, I need to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-346" data-t="346">you know, sweeten the deal a little bit. And so I offered up to the Meshedel, like, if you if you vote, max vote,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-352" data-t="352">you can get, a jar of maple syrup from me, a pack of my cannabis seeds, a free ticket to Lake Satoshi,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-358">5:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-358" data-t="358">a bag of Otis Big Meyer coffee. And these are items that we have we have already been exchanging in the anyways. And it's so it's not, this comes back to the whole non extraction thing. I could have chosen to extract</span> <span class="cue" id="t-370" data-t="370">from my social capital base, and like you said, then I would be in a deficit and I would have to replenish it. But instead, I created a a more of a holistic approach where now,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-381" data-t="381">the way I was thinking about it is I was basically selling these items</span> <span class="cue" id="t-384" data-t="384">and then donating the stats to the bugle</span> <span class="cue" id="t-387" data-t="387">through, their vote, and then we get to participate in this tournament.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-392" data-t="392">And everybody sort of wins all, all through across the board.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-397">6:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-397" data-t="397">Very cool.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-399" data-t="399">How's it how's your</span> <span class="cue" id="t-400" data-t="400">wife how's your wife feel about your victory?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-403">6:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-403" data-t="403">Well, she doesn't have much to say about it. Unfortunately, she's not that excited.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-409">6:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-409" data-t="409">Do you you don't feel like you have bragging rights?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-412" data-t="412">It hasn't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-414" data-t="414">changed any of the home dynamics of, you know, her looking at you differently?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-420">7:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-420" data-t="420">Well, you know, the the the glitter in my eye is is, definitely a little brighter</span> <span class="cue" id="t-425" data-t="425">now that I'm the champion.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-427" data-t="427">And she does recognize that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-430" data-t="430">but, you know, I don't think she attributes it to Maxi Madness. She just looks at me and says, maybe something's a little different today.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-438">7:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-438" data-t="438">But you mentioned this polyculture,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-441" data-t="441">and I assume that does not mean</span> <span class="cue" id="t-444" data-t="444">multiple sexual partners.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-447" data-t="447">You're still</span> <span class="cue" id="t-448" data-t="448">a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-450" data-t="450">loyal,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-452">7:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-452" data-t="452">you know, husband. This is what polyculture just means</span> <span class="cue" id="t-456" data-t="456">different</span> <span class="cue" id="t-458" data-t="458">different logos, different types of call, like, different meetups. What does this explain this a little bit more,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-465" data-t="465">thoroughly.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-466">7:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-466" data-t="466">So a polyculture in, a food forest, for example,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-470" data-t="470">is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-472" data-t="472">when you have,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-473" data-t="473">there's there's seven layers to a a forest. Right? You got your ground cover layer, which would be something like strawberries,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-479" data-t="479">And then you've got the the herbaceous layer, which would be something like comfrey</span> <span class="cue" id="t-483" data-t="483">or rhubarb or horseradish.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-485">8:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-485" data-t="485">And then you've got your, shrub layer, which would be something like currants or gooseberries.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-491" data-t="491">And then you got your,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-493" data-t="493">your understory layer, which might be something like hazelnuts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-496" data-t="496">And then in my food forest, the overstory layer is the fruit tree. And so these plants can all grow together cooperatively because they take up a different size and shape of that that understory beneath the tree. So they're not inherently competing with each other. They're all working cooperatively. And so this is how you can pack a lot of yields into a small footprint.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-516" data-t="516">And so the same can be true of your social capital. Right? I looked at the social capital that I had in the Masjidel as one one, part of that that layer of the food forest, of the the social capital capital forest. And then my local connections, the hyperlocal stuff from everyone that I knew going to the meetups was another layer. And then the the Noister community that I participate in was another layer. And so I had access to all these different layers. They're all kind of intersecting and working together and connected together in one way or another, but they do come they they form this holistic</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-548">9:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-548" data-t="548">viewpoint, which is Bitcoin culture.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-552">9:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-552" data-t="552">What is the optimal</span> <span class="cue" id="t-555" data-t="555">stack in a seven layer salad</span> <span class="cue" id="t-558" data-t="558">of the forest?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-560" data-t="560">I think I would want strawberries,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-562" data-t="562">rhubarb,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-564" data-t="564">feast berries,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-565">9:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-565" data-t="565">hazelnuts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-566" data-t="566">How would you finish out that stack?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-569">9:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-569" data-t="569">Tobacco.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-570">9:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-570" data-t="570">Tobacco. Where is tobacco? Which layer is the tobacco?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-573">9:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-573" data-t="573">I think tobacco is probably somewhere between the herbaceous layer and the shrub layer.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-578" data-t="578">It's it's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-580" data-t="580">it grows pretty big,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-581" data-t="581">but it is an annual.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-583" data-t="583">So</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-586">9:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-586" data-t="586">That's a good that's that's important to know. It's that's hard to keep up with if you're planting annuals.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-593">9:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-593" data-t="593">And so, you know, if you look at, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-596" data-t="596">if you take something like tobacco and you try and equate it to, Bitcoin culture. Right? It's something that, everybody wants but isn't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-604" data-t="604">necessarily coming to every meetup. You know what I mean? Or not always active in the group chat. But, like, tobacco is the the plant that just says, like, hey. I've been head down vibe coding, and I just made this new app, and boom, here you go. And the the addiction is on. Right? And everyone wants more of what tobacco has to offer, but it's not there perennially. Right? It's only there. You have to cultivate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-626" data-t="626">the tobacco.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-628" data-t="628">Whereas these,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-629" data-t="629">these other plants are perennials, so they just are as long as you participate with them and you and you interact with them, they're around, and they're there to and and in the lens of the social capital like we've been talking about, that social capital continues to liquidate amongst the the whole polyculture. Right? Everyone's trading</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-648">10:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-648" data-t="648">between themselves.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-651">10:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-651" data-t="651">The</span> <span class="cue" id="t-652" data-t="652">one of the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-654" data-t="654">user experience</span> <span class="cue" id="t-656" data-t="656">hurdles</span> <span class="cue" id="t-658" data-t="658">that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-659" data-t="659">the Maxi Madness Nostra Tournament had to overcome</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-662">11:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-662" data-t="662">and had to have some playoff rounds</span> <span class="cue" id="t-664" data-t="664">playing, you know, to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-667" data-t="667">to make up for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-669" data-t="669">is Primal has a web of trust and a web of trust can filter out some</span> <span class="cue" id="t-676" data-t="676">people who are maybe just creating end bugs to zap more than once or something</span> <span class="cue" id="t-680" data-t="680">to kind of create like a civil</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-683">11:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-683" data-t="683">attack sort of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-686" data-t="686">give the impression of such anyways.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-690" data-t="690">But thinking about a web of trust</span> <span class="cue" id="t-692" data-t="692">on Nostr where that is much more</span> <span class="cue" id="t-695" data-t="695">customizable than it is on some platform like X</span> <span class="cue" id="t-699" data-t="699">and it kind of relates to</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-701">11:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-701" data-t="701">these</span> <span class="cue" id="t-703" data-t="703">communities these permaculture</span> <span class="cue" id="t-705" data-t="705">type</span> <span class="cue" id="t-706" data-t="706">of situations that you're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-708" data-t="708">developing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-710" data-t="710">Have you</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-711">11:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-711" data-t="711">explored</span> <span class="cue" id="t-713" data-t="713">kind of this this customization</span> <span class="cue" id="t-715" data-t="715">or this optimization</span> <span class="cue" id="t-717" data-t="717">on on Nostra or your group chats with this web of trust where you have layers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-722" data-t="722">of group chats, for example, with, like, the mesh channel and some of your other more trusted confidants,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-730" data-t="730">and then it layers out from there where, like, a new person coming into your,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-736">12:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-736" data-t="736">your space or your sphere, so to speak, kinda has to go through these layers of the web of trust before it gets down into your most</span> <span class="cue" id="t-743" data-t="743">cherished group chats.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-746">12:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-746" data-t="746">Well, sure. Yeah. Absolutely.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-748" data-t="748">And and through the lens of the the tournament, let's say, through through the lens of Maxi Madness,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-753" data-t="753">this is how I chose to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-756" data-t="756">when to tap. Right? When to utilize my social capital in in which particular circle.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-761" data-t="761">I knew that I needed to save my local homies until the very end because that once I didn't even really tell anyone locally that this thing was going on until I was in the finals. So now when I'm in the finals, I I present, look, I'm in the finals. If you wanna take me across the finish line, here's how we do it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-779" data-t="779">And people got excited about that. If I had</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-782">13:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-782" data-t="782">put them let them know that I was in the tournament right from the beginning, I might have expended that social capital too soon.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-789" data-t="789">And so, yeah, there's there's just different,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-792" data-t="792">relationships that you have, and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-795" data-t="795">it does it does, filter it on down through for sure.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-799">13:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-799" data-t="799">Absolutely.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-801" data-t="801">What what was your impression of how did how did Noster receive Maxi Madness?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-809">13:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-809" data-t="809">I think that it was,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-811" data-t="811">about as,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-812" data-t="812">fifty fifty as you could have expected.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-816" data-t="816">A lot of people were excited about it and and having fun with it, and a lot of people wanted to like, found it to be incredibly annoying and how to get it to go away. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-825" data-t="825">you know, when I was like, hey, dude. This is gonna be happening for,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-828" data-t="828">you know, the next week or something. They're just like, oh god. I how do how do I do I have to mute you? You know? It's like, well, you can, but I'm gonna be, posting about this. You know? Because I think,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-839">13:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-839" data-t="839">as you guys say, it's the most important election. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-842" data-t="842">It is important. And it's it's a distillation. It's it's a way of anecdotally,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-848" data-t="848">assessing what</span> <span class="cue" id="t-850" data-t="850">a particular community sees as valuable.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-854" data-t="854">Whether you wanna say that the the results were</span> <span class="cue" id="t-858" data-t="858">gamed or not or whatever. Right?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-860">14:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-860" data-t="860">It is ultimately like the Twitter,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-863" data-t="863">championship.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-865" data-t="865">That shows that people do value data on chain. Right? To me,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-870" data-t="870">anecdotally,</span> <span class="cue" data-t="870">that's, that's what that the result of that tournament suggests. Like, the Bitcoin culture right now appreciates that shit,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-877" data-t="877">and they don't care about BIP one ten, and they don't care about PodConf and and Swan or whatever. Right? And the Nostril tournament showed that people care about people interacting in this grassroots level,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-889">14:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-889" data-t="889">running meetups, doing podcasting,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-892" data-t="892">focusing on building circular economies. Right?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-897">14:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-897" data-t="897">Absolutely. I mean, the the two individuals</span> <span class="cue" id="t-899" data-t="899">in the championship were neither of them were Podkoff affiliated.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-905" data-t="905">And I would</span> <span class="cue" id="t-907" data-t="907">consider your matchup against Odell</span> <span class="cue" id="t-910" data-t="910">in the final four as a referendum</span> <span class="cue" id="t-913" data-t="913">against Podkoff.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-915">15:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-915" data-t="915">Would you agree?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-917">15:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-917" data-t="917">Well yeah. And and so this kinda gets back into this whole non extraction principle. Right? And where,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-923" data-t="923">it wasn't me versus Odell.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-925" data-t="925">It was me versus Predix. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-927" data-t="927">So I I knew that there was some people with money on the line over on Predix, and I think that they had a cake walk, dude. I think that they were expecting that, you know, all they they however, someone had figured out I'm not gonna say who. Right? But I think someone knew how to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-943" data-t="943">get by the this web of trust system that, Primal had put up, and they could</span> <span class="cue" id="t-950" data-t="950">influence the votes. Right? They could juice it up with some some some men pumps that they spun up. And so once I realized that, I was like, okay. This is who I'm competing against. I'm not competing against Matt Odell. I'm here to prove that, like, you you have no idea when some dude who's connected in the community, if they unleash their social capital, that you're gonna have a hard time, you know,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-972">16:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-972" data-t="972">make it pushing the the results of this prediction market to your favor. And we accomplished that. The Meshedel totally shut that prediction market down. Proved it wrong.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-982">16:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-982" data-t="982">Absolutely.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-985" data-t="985">You know, you you paid attention to the Twitter maxi madness.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-990" data-t="990">The dynamics were incredibly different.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-995" data-t="995">The mechanisms</span> <span class="cue" id="t-996" data-t="996">were incredibly different.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-999" data-t="999">What what do you what was your perspective on that of of of the happenings on Twitter versus the happenings on Noster?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1007">16:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1007" data-t="1007">Like, how how do you see the dynamics as different?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1012">16:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1012" data-t="1012">I think that, like, the just the fact that people have to put SATS on the line,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1017" data-t="1017">it, in Noister</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1019" data-t="1019">sort of changes,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1021" data-t="1021">the way that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1022" data-t="1022">people are,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1024" data-t="1024">participating</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1025">17:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1025" data-t="1025">because it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1026" data-t="1026">you can</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1027" data-t="1027">if so so a lot of the the if you wanna win, right, you have to have a community rallying around you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1033" data-t="1033">And so in Twitter, you have to have a large community.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1037" data-t="1037">Right? You could have a a small community of of very dedicated fans. Right? And they're all gonna vote for you every time, but their their vote doesn't have much weight</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1046" data-t="1046">because somebody else can just</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1048">17:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1048" data-t="1048">access their larger</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1049" data-t="1049">user base or fan base or what they they have a larger,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1053" data-t="1053">form of social capital where everyone can just click one button for free</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1057" data-t="1057">and vote. Whereas on Nostr,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1059" data-t="1059">it shows, like, how much,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1061" data-t="1061">people are willing to put down for you, like, how much they really appreciate you, right, and what you, represent for Bitcoin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1069">17:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1069" data-t="1069">You know, because, like, right at the beginning,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1071" data-t="1071">I knew that I was pretty popular on Nostril. Right? I I I participate on Nostril. I've been doing it for several years. I went to the first Nostril.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1078" data-t="1078">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1080" data-t="1080">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1081" data-t="1081">right off the bat, I against Jack Dorsey, I didn't try to do anything. Right? I just this is another permaculture principle. Right? Observe and interact. I just wanted to see what would happen round one and just watch that play out. Now I eked it out,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1095" data-t="1095">by about 200 sats, maybe 250 sats. That was a super close round, but that was just purely,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1102">18:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1102" data-t="1102">the Nostra community saying, like, yeah, dude. You're around and you're participating in Noester. Where did Jack Dorsey go? You know? Why why would I put my sats down for that guy?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1111" data-t="1111">He you know?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1113" data-t="1113">So, yeah, it's the the difference is that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1116" data-t="1116">the someone's audience or their their social capital base can, really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1122" data-t="1122">show how much they care.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1124" data-t="1124">One vote can can mean a lot. One person can do a lot more</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1128">18:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1128" data-t="1128">on Twitter than on on or on Noester than on Twitter.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1133">18:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1133" data-t="1133">Yeah. I'm excited. I do I like that there is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1138" data-t="1138">there's more options with Noister.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1141" data-t="1141">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1142" data-t="1142">the big thing that I wanna try and do for next year that, you know, I'll I don't have confirmed that they'll do it, but one of the things I really like to do is to do splits in the polls</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1153" data-t="1153">for the individuals participating. So there's a little bit more of an incentive for them to participate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1158" data-t="1158">to try and</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1163">19:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1163" data-t="1163">earn earn zaps, essentially.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1165" data-t="1165">So the the way I think it would be is, like, you know, the people would would get a portion than both of the participants would. And so the the incentive is to continue to compete until the finals,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1176" data-t="1176">to be able to earn</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1179" data-t="1179">more zaps. And I think that'd be fun. I think that would get people's buy in a little bit more, and that'd be a cool function.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1186" data-t="1186">The</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1187" data-t="1187">This one was you know, it all happens till last minute. Like, the the primal team pushed this update, allowing us</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1195">19:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1195" data-t="1195">to do these polls, I think, maybe</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1197" data-t="1197">a few days, if not a week, prior.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1202" data-t="1202">So there wasn't a ton of thinking into the mechanics of how it worked. It was very experimental.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1209">20:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1209" data-t="1209">Yeah. There's some there's some interesting it's really hard to think about what's gonna happen. Right? And I'm sure you guys had no idea how it was gonna play out, how big people are gonna zap, what was really gonna go down. And if you start to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1221" data-t="1221">filter some of that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1223" data-t="1223">so this this comes back into permaculture. Once again, there's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1226" data-t="1226">self regulate, accept, and apply feedback. And if you if you put the zap split in there,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1231" data-t="1231">now you've got a feedback loop going. Right? So if someone wins and they've got now they've got a whole bunch of sats. Right? Now they can essentially</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1239" data-t="1239">offer these incentives like what I was doing for free. And so you give the,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1243">20:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1243" data-t="1243">each round kind of snowballs,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1246" data-t="1246">has this potential snowballing effect. You know, as the participant, you have to make the choice. Do I keep the sats, or do I use the sats to, continue to create incentives for my,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1256" data-t="1256">my social cap, my base of voters, right, or people who are participating</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1260" data-t="1260">to keep zapping big.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1263">21:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1263" data-t="1263">Do you think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1265" data-t="1265">the democracy should be run more like Maxine Adnis? Do you think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1269" data-t="1269">every November</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1270" data-t="1270">for one week,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1272" data-t="1272">we should have a a a bracket of 64 politicians,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1275" data-t="1275">and they have to go through each round until we finally get down to the last two, and that's who we vote for for president, and we can vote. Do you think we should do that, like, with one man, one vote, or we should do it with Zaps,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1287">21:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1287" data-t="1287">like, on Gloucester?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1289">21:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1289" data-t="1289">I think, like, what Maxi Madness shows is that, you know, this is what the new government looks like when democracy fail. Like, when when fiat system breaks down and all the shit hits the fan,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1299" data-t="1299">this is how we organize. Right? Because,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1302" data-t="1302">like, Jason Lohrey. Right? The the whole idea of, power projection</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1306" data-t="1306">through Bitcoin, like, that was the Meshedale</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1308" data-t="1308">right there. You know? The Meshedale was like, look. We we've got a a dedicated group willing to project power,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1316" data-t="1316">through this tournament and and win. You know? And so there was no violence. Right? But in the end of the day, there was some serious power projection going on there. I mean, what was it?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1326">22:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1326" data-t="1326">Almost a million sats or over a million sats on that semifinal round? That's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1331" data-t="1331">not that's jump that's generational wealth. Right?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1334">22:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1334" data-t="1334">So did are you saying that the the Demesh Dadell declared soft war</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1338" data-t="1338">on Maxi Madness?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1340" data-t="1340">And what?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1342">22:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1342" data-t="1342">I'm saying that the that, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1345" data-t="1345">the whole Maxi Madness thing is software. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1348" data-t="1348">And this is how Right. You project power.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1352">22:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1352" data-t="1352">That's the interesting way to frame it, and I didn't think about it prior</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1357" data-t="1357">to the beginning of Maxi Madness, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1359" data-t="1359">a few rounds in I realized, holy shit, this is we are in the middle of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1366" data-t="1366">you know, software one. There's gonna be future softwares</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1369" data-t="1369">and I don't know if it's gonna be ten years from now, Maximus, but this was the first soft war.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1375" data-t="1375">And there was</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1378">22:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1378" data-t="1378">almost as many</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1381" data-t="1381">casualties</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1382" data-t="1382">in soft war one as World War one. The amount of crash outs,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1388" data-t="1388">the amount of crash outs in the trenches, the amount of crash outs on the time, it was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1394" data-t="1394">yeah, you're right, you've heard of the book All is Quiet on the Western Front. It was kind of the opposite.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1399" data-t="1399">All is</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1401">23:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1401" data-t="1401">crazy,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1402" data-t="1402">all is chaotic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1404" data-t="1404">on the timeline front during Maxi Madness during Software one because people were crashing out left and right it was like a machine gun</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1413" data-t="1413">A guy in one of those pillboxes just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1415" data-t="1415">mowing down plebs and they were just crashing out. And I saw the crash outs,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1423" data-t="1423">the the the huge amount of crash outs on Twitter. I did I saw some on Noster.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1428">23:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1428" data-t="1428">I didn't see them all but you were is I my assessment</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1432" data-t="1432">about you saying it was about fiftyfifty,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1435" data-t="1435">was was roughly accurate based on my observations.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1439" data-t="1439">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1440" data-t="1440">do you think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1442" data-t="1442">that that contributes to the success of Maxi Madness having</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1446">24:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1446" data-t="1446">a sell side and a buy side? People who are buying in and people who are like, fade this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1451" data-t="1451">noise, I hate this. And their</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1456" data-t="1456">annoyance, their crashing out, brings more attention, brings more eyes and realizes, holy shit, there's a lot of social capital on the line. I have to pay attention to this. I have to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1466" data-t="1466">put my bets in on the prediction markets. I have to be involved in this somehow. I thought it was stupid, but now I'm realizing that there's a situation going on, and it is in my best interest to be monitoring it very closely.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1479">24:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1479" data-t="1479">Well and you know who's there's other people that are gonna be monitoring monitoring who voted for so the beautiful thing about the no strip polls too is that the votes were public. Right? So I could go back and see, like, oh, this dude voted against me.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1491" data-t="1491">Why? You know? Kinda it it brings up questions. Right? Where I could see that, oh, this person's really,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1497" data-t="1497">involved in the culture, but they didn't participate at all. Why? And so this definitely adds a whole another layer of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1505" data-t="1505">you know, when when it comes down to it,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1509" data-t="1509">talk about crash outs and everything, you you kind of like if you don't participate, now it's it's clear that you didn't, and that's like a crash out in itself. Right?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1519">25:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1519" data-t="1519">What was your favorite crash out that you saw?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1522">25:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1522" data-t="1522">Oh, that's a good question. I mean, it's gotta be,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1525" data-t="1525">my homie, Kid Warp.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1528" data-t="1528">So Kid Warp is, he's he's local kind of to me, and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1532" data-t="1532">I I know him personally.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1534" data-t="1534">And he was just like, dude, this is so fucking annoying, man.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1537" data-t="1537">And he was like, when is this gonna end? And he he he it wasn't like he he couldn't let it go. Right? He wanted to continue to post about not liking it. And so that is it's like, dude, when you don't like something that much that you can't stop, you realize that you're feeding the beast here. You know? You gotta just if you don't like it, you can't say anything about it. Otherwise, other people are gonna be, what's going on? And they're gonna start getting riled up into it. And so he had the opposite effect of what I think he was hoping for was that he wanted everyone to boycott it or something or just stop talking about it. But in reality, him saying something</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1566">26:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1566" data-t="1566">really stoked the flames of it all.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1569">26:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1569" data-t="1569">What do you think his protest was? I mean, Rod and I were speculating</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1573" data-t="1573">about this on the last episode. You know, Nostra users aren't really used to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1579" data-t="1579">any sort of real activity on the platform. Right? Like, they're used to, like, occasional good morning post,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1585" data-t="1585">you know, very light farting around</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1588" data-t="1588">on the app.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1591" data-t="1591">Do you think it was just overstimulating</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1593">26:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1593" data-t="1593">for them, or or what what was the the issue that they saw with it? That that people were</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1598" data-t="1598">getting zaps, or</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1600">26:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1600" data-t="1600">it wasn't them? Well, yeah, it's just like somebody came and take it's just like, you know, you got your your neighborhood. Right? And and, like, someone's roll rolling through with the boom truck, right, with the boom truck fucking playing their music, fucking forcing everyone to to to look at them as they roll by. It's like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1618" data-t="1618">out of nowhere, I don't think anyone was ready for it. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1621" data-t="1621">it there it was unavoidable. Anywhere you look, you're gonna see something about Maxi Madness while it's going on.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1628">27:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1628" data-t="1628">So Right. What do you think we should do in the future? Should we, like, you know, put PSAs out before to, like, shelter in place, you know, for the week if they aren't excited about it or, like, go on vacation or something?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1641">27:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1641" data-t="1641">Yeah. The the the war is imminent. I I don't know if it's good to keep,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1644" data-t="1644">keep on the the Jason Lohrey software</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1647" data-t="1647">meme here, but, like, in it it is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1650" data-t="1650">you gotta prepare a no stir for this shit because they clearly weren't prepared.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1655">27:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1655" data-t="1655">I think it's I think a good strategy would be,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1658" data-t="1658">there there's no</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1660" data-t="1660">this is a software, but if we map it to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1663" data-t="1663">real world</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1664" data-t="1664">physical conflict, kinetic warfare,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1667" data-t="1667">there is no military</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1669">27:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1669" data-t="1669">more,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1672" data-t="1672">competent</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1673" data-t="1673">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1674" data-t="1674">skilled at what they do than the Israeli Defense Forces, the IDF. And what they do in Gaza and in in Lebanon and these other places</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1683" data-t="1683">is they they give everybody a ten minute warning where they they send in these these precision guided projectiles</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1690" data-t="1690">that basically thump really hard and they say, hey, you have x amount of time to get out of here because we're human terrorists if you don't. And</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1699">28:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1699" data-t="1699">giving Noster kinda like the IDF</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1701" data-t="1701">courtesy,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1703" data-t="1703">announcement that, hey, Maxi Madness is about to start and it's gonna go for a week.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1709" data-t="1709">Get out of go go to Blue Sky, go</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1712" data-t="1712">to Reddit, go to, you know, don't go to X, go to Facebook,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1716" data-t="1716">go somewhere else and shelter in place, or take cover in the group chats. And I think maybe that's the answer is people need to just bunker down in the group chats during Maxi Madness to keep their sanity. Because if you isolate yourself or you get stuck on Facebook with a bunch of boomers freaking out about some AI slop that they fell for, my kids, you're you're gonna probably crash crash out over there too. The the place where you're least likely to crash out is the group chats.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1741">29:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1741" data-t="1741">Yeah. Maybe the best way to go about it would be to to take the committee and start to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1746" data-t="1746">as they're making their picks,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1748" data-t="1748">sort of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1749" data-t="1749">tease that a little bit. Right? And you don't release the whole bracket right away, but you put some spoilers out there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1755" data-t="1755">You know, like, Odell's back. You know? He's gonna and so that's a way to ease into Maxi Madness, get some awareness about it. The bracket slowly builds up over time, and that leads into, the actual tournament.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1767">29:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1767" data-t="1767">I sure understand.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1769" data-t="1769">Yeah. There's a lot of dynamics to, you know, explore here. You know, for the for the individuals that, you know, were very unhappy with what you said with us taking over their neighborhood for a week,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1779" data-t="1779">Do you suggest that they do something like they form NOST or HOAs</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1783" data-t="1783">and and set guidelines of what's allowed in their neighborhood? Or, like, how do you think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1789" data-t="1789">they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1790" data-t="1790">create a peace of mind for themselves?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1792">29:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1792" data-t="1792">Well and this is the direction that Noister is heading in, man, is that, I think every website will be a Noister client.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1799" data-t="1799">If you're gonna participate in Noister, you're gonna stop going to websites. You're just gonna go to this one niche client after another to get to filter the information on Noister the way you wanna see it. And so for that week, everyone can go to the the no Maxi Madness client or whatever. Someone can spin that up and just filter all that shit out.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1818" data-t="1818">Everyone can can go on these Relay,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1821" data-t="1821">browsing clients, and everyone can choose to go on a Relay where no one's posting the the Maxi Madness notes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1827" data-t="1827">or whatever. Right? So there there is definitely,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1830" data-t="1830">ways to you can't hide from it on Twitter. Right? I mean, it's impossible. But on Noester, there's there's these little nooks and crannies everyone can can, shelter in place for if they choose to.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1843">30:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1843" data-t="1843">So, like, they switch over to Daunus</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1846" data-t="1846">for the week, something like that? They're not an amethyst or,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1850" data-t="1850">primal?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1852">30:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1852" data-t="1852">Yeah. I mean, especially, like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1855" data-t="1855">I think that other people found that frustrating too was that so this, the nip that allowed for the zap votes was not in the vast majority of the clients. And so,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1865" data-t="1865">people were seeing it, and then maybe they decided that they wanted to participate, but then they couldn't. And so that made it even more frustrating. Right? And that now I got you're you're twisting my arm to go get Amethyst or Primal,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1877" data-t="1877">and I have to use a a client that I don't like in order to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1881" data-t="1881">to finally break down and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1883" data-t="1883">and submit zap my vote. Right?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1886">31:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1886" data-t="1886">So you used to do you think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1889" data-t="1889">some people believe there's a conspiracy that Primal</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1893" data-t="1893">got involved with Maxi Madness because they just wanted the marketing. They wanted people to download and use Primal. Do you think there's some evidence for that?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1903">31:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1903" data-t="1903">I mean, why not? Yeah. But if I was primal, I would I would definitely do that.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1908">31:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1908" data-t="1908">There's a there's a lot happy? Right. It's like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1911" data-t="1911">Paul Teething is hot, and he's walking around half naked all the time in Costa Rica.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1916" data-t="1916">And there's videos of him but apparently</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1918" data-t="1918">that only gets you so far. Like he only only so many people are using primal and wanna live free</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1924" data-t="1924">based on thinking that Paul Keating is hot. They needed something fresher, something</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1930" data-t="1930">more controversial,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1931">32:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1931" data-t="1931">more dynamic, and they leaned into the Maxi. They even changed their logo for Maxi Madness. They made it blue just like the Maxi Madness,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1939" data-t="1939">branding, which I thought was interesting as well.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1943" data-t="1943">They should have turned the they should have turned the Primal logo. They should have made it, like, a little basketball too instead of, like, a little Firefox</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1950" data-t="1950">rip off.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1952">32:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1952" data-t="1952">Well, I I think didn't,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1954" data-t="1954">so all this this lined up with Primal introducing the new, Spark based wallet. Right? The new KYC wallet and all that. And I think so many people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1963" data-t="1963">got into Maxi Madness and started to use the wallet and and turn it over that it actually overloaded their infrastructure.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1970" data-t="1970">However, they had it set up. Right? They had to fix that shit. And so, yeah, it turned out that Primal made a good choice in in implementing the SNP just for Maxi Madness. I don't know if they did it just for Maxi Madness. I don't really but but the fact that they did it on time was, very poignant. And, you know, they they got a lot more people participating in Nostril because of it, and that's a good thing in my mind.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1992">33:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1992" data-t="1992">So Hell yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1993" data-t="1993">One of the conspiracy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1995" data-t="1995">theories that I've been hearing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1997" data-t="1997">periodically</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1998" data-t="1998">is there there are a lot of individuals that said that Nostra was a social attack on</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2004" data-t="2004">the Bitcoin ecosystem, taking people away from Bitcoin Twitter. Like,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2008">33:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2008" data-t="2008">you know, Erin Redwing, the the runner-up in the the Twitter one, she was very she turned her nose up to Noster a couple times.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2019" data-t="2019">What what are your thoughts on that theory? Is would you consider Noster a a social tack on the, you know, the Plebslop,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2026" data-t="2026">Bitcoin, Twitter industrial complex, or,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2029" data-t="2029">is it something else?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2031">33:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2031" data-t="2031">Well, it certainly is a is an attack on the Plebslop, man, because the the algo there's no feeding the algo</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2037" data-t="2037">right now on Gnoster.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2039" data-t="2039">And so, yeah, you you have an option to go it's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2042" data-t="2042">I have this this saying it's, DIY or DFI. Like, do it yourself or go fuck yourself. Right? And so,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2049" data-t="2049">on Gnoster, you can do that. You can you can build your own experience. And if you don't like it, it's totally your responsibility</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2056" data-t="2056">to fix that. Right? And,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2058">34:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2058" data-t="2058">on Twitter, you're kinda stuck with whatever the hell is going on over there. And so, yeah, it is it's it's an attack in a sense that, like, dude, we over here on Nostra, we just do whatever we want. Like, we do our own thing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2071" data-t="2071">On Twitter, you're subjugated to whatever Twitter wants. They can shadowban you. You have to bend over and do whatever you need to do to get your exposure, get your, what do they call it, impressions or some shit. On Nostra, you just build your social capital and and participate. And the more you do that, the better it becomes for you.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2090">34:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2090" data-t="2090">What</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2091" data-t="2091">about what about people who</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2093" data-t="2093">they love to monitor the situation? It's very hard to monitor the situation on Noster. Like, I don't know if Noster realizes we've invaded that we've attacked Iran yet. Like, they're still kinda waiting on some of that the news cycle to make it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2107" data-t="2107">over there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2108" data-t="2108">Is it is there an opportunity or is there</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2112" data-t="2112">a solution for people who like to monitor a situation if they were to go only on to Nostr,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2119">35:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2119" data-t="2119">would would they be able to do that?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2122">35:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2122" data-t="2122">Well, so I think Nostr is for,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2125" data-t="2125">participants, not for observers. Right? If you wanna just consume once again, this comes back into the permaculture principle of non extraction. Right? You just wanna extract information from a platform,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2135" data-t="2135">and and for only your benefit, then Twitter's the place for you. But if you if you try and do that on Nostra, you have there's some work that you have to do in order to get what you want out of it. And so you have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2146" data-t="2146">to actually participate.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2148" data-t="2148">Extraction doesn't work on Noister.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2151" data-t="2151">Right?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2152">35:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2152" data-t="2152">You have to actually be part of the community.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2156" data-t="2156">And so</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2157" data-t="2157">that's my that that's what I think about it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2161">36:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2161" data-t="2161">You're a meetup organizer. You're a prolific meetup organizer. You're very active</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2166" data-t="2166">in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2168" data-t="2168">on the ground</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2169" data-t="2169">in the heartland of America.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2173" data-t="2173">You know, the sentiment online is very bearish. Why what do you see the sentiment on the ground looking like at the moment as you're interacting with people that are interacting with Bitcoin?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2185">36:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2185" data-t="2185">It's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2186" data-t="2186">well, I don't know if if this correlates with this podcast that I recently just, started called Local Bitcoiners.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2193" data-t="2193">It's a podcast about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2195" data-t="2195">Bitcoin meetups. Right? We just interview and talk to Bitcoin meetup organizers, talk about meetups, talk about the power of meetups.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2201" data-t="2201">And,</span> <span class="cue" data-t="2201">so this kind of lined up</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2204">36:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2204" data-t="2204">us starting this podcast, Reid and I, my cohost, Reid,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2207" data-t="2207">with this bear market.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2209" data-t="2209">But ever since that podcast has been going on, maybe it's because I'm so involved in this region, the the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2216" data-t="2216">the Chicagoland, Great Lakes, Michiana, Michigan region. Right? But a lot of people are listening to the podcast, and there's a a huge buzz going on right now. The meetups are good. People are showing up with,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2228" data-t="2228">with items for to participate in the circular economy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2231" data-t="2231">In Chicago, they just launched and and this also coincided with the beginning of this podcast was, the Chicago Bitcoin Collective, which is a a dedicated Bitcoin space, fork and coin restaurant. They're gonna be doing bit devs there. They're gonna be doing meetups there. They're gonna be doing all this stuff. There's a huge buzz going on around that. And so</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2250">37:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2250" data-t="2250">it's, very much the the bear market is for building vibes. Right? Everyone's just coming out of the woodwork and really participating right now, and the meetups have gotten really good,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2260" data-t="2260">recently. Yeah. They're they're great.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2264">37:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2264" data-t="2264">Why why do you think there's such a difference,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2267" data-t="2267">between the sentiment online and the sentiment</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2270" data-t="2270">that you're seeing in meetups?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2272" data-t="2272">Where's the disconnect?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2274">37:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2274" data-t="2274">I think that so there are some people that come to the meetups and they wanna talk about number go up. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2280" data-t="2280">And and they're very concerned about the the quantum FUD, not because of the reality of the quantum FUD, right, that it could actually be dangerous for people losing their getting their Bitcoin sniped away from them from some weird quantum computer somewhere, but more about how the idea of this affects the price.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2297" data-t="2297">And when you're participating in Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2300" data-t="2300">and you're earning Bitcoin and you're spending Bitcoin, the price doesn't really matter. Right? You you get Bitcoin in, Bitcoin goes out. The price might fluctuate a few percent in that exchange, but the the price isn't the important thing. It's the freedom and and it's the, the culture and the community and the ability to build resilience and build sovereignty,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2319">38:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2319" data-t="2319">to operate in a thermodynamically</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2321" data-t="2321">sound lifestyle.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2322" data-t="2322">Right? And so that's where the meetups</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2325" data-t="2325">the the people like that are going to the meetups. The people who wanna live sovereign, they wanna up operate with good thermodynamics.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2332" data-t="2332">You know?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2335" data-t="2335">If you're just looking on, Twitter, you know, you're basically just looking for the next reason for the price to go up or down and make your decisions on that. That's my opinion. I don't really know, but, you know, that's what I think.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2348">39:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2348" data-t="2348">It's an interesting perspective. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2352" data-t="2352">yeah. I don't know. It's it I I have been wondering this for a while. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2359" data-t="2359">you know, I I talked to Avi Burra pretty frequently, and he says,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2366" data-t="2366">he said Noster's even had kind of a bear market,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2369" data-t="2369">which I I would have figured Noster would be more of a reflection of, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2375" data-t="2375">what's actually happening on the ground, but</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2378">39:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2378" data-t="2378">maybe not so.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2380">39:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2380" data-t="2380">Well, so these are all just I mean, we we talk about the Bitcoin as a tool, no, sir, as a tool.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2389" data-t="2389">But, you know, when it comes to the the actual meetups and you get together in per in person, you know these people, they're part of your life,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2396" data-t="2396">it's not a tool anymore, man. It's a community asset.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2400" data-t="2400">And so, this is the big difference is, like, when you actually take things into re into meet space in reality,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2408" data-t="2408">there's a whole different,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2410" data-t="2410">set of incentives</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2411">40:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2411" data-t="2411">and a dynamic that goes on.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2414" data-t="2414">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2415" data-t="2415">it I think it does reveal the truth, right, that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2418" data-t="2418">okay,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2419" data-t="2419">price is down. Nobody's really chitchatting, gossiping about this or that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2424" data-t="2424">on these these socials.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2426">40:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2426" data-t="2426">But the group chats,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2428" data-t="2428">still good. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2431" data-t="2431">And the meetups are still good. And that's where the signal is. You know?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2436" data-t="2436">Podcast too. Right? That's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2438" data-t="2438">has there been a bear market in podcasting? Hell no, dude. There's a new fucking podcast spinning up every day,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2444" data-t="2444">about Bitcoin. So you gotta look at the the the real sovereign shit, like podcasting, uncensorable,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2450">40:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2450" data-t="2450">way to promote and propagate cultural capital. Bitcoin Meetups, real sovereign way, unstoppable way to promote and propagate cultural capital.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2458" data-t="2458">Nostra, to a degree, is unstoppable, but it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2462" data-t="2462">it's just,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2464" data-t="2464">it's more nebulous</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2466" data-t="2466">than these than these two relationships that you have.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2470">41:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2470" data-t="2470">I wonder</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2472" data-t="2472">One of the things that I've been thinking about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2475" data-t="2475">is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2476" data-t="2476">crashing out. We talked about it a little bit, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2479" data-t="2479">there's really very few ways</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2482" data-t="2482">to prove</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2484">41:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2484" data-t="2484">that you're not crashing out if everybody else is saying</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2488" data-t="2488">you're crashing out. If people were if there was like a crash out Sybil attack, right, and and all and all your followers everybody whether it's on Nost or on x and they said rev hodl is crashing out right now.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2500" data-t="2500">And you're like, I'm not crashing out. I'm totally normal. Like, Mike Brock is going through this. Right? Everybody's calling if you don't know who Mike Brock is, he's on that tray. He was a former executive</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2510" data-t="2510">at Block under Jack Dorsey, and now he is, he he's an essayist.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2516" data-t="2516">Irving's accusing him of crashing out</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2518" data-t="2518">and he had to start a podcast</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2521">42:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2521" data-t="2521">to prove</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2522" data-t="2522">that he wasn't crashing out. Are there any other methods? Are there any other ways you can prove</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2529" data-t="2529">that you're not crashing out if everybody says you're crashing out other than start a podcast? Is there, like, a certain amount of social capital</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2536" data-t="2536">that you can have where people are like, well, he's got too much social capital to be crashing out. He's just esoteric</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2542" data-t="2542">or something like that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2544" data-t="2544">or eccentric.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2546">42:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2546" data-t="2546">Is it is it just you have to start a podcast?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2550">42:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2550" data-t="2550">I well, yeah. To to crash out is not,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2553" data-t="2553">it's not up to you. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2556" data-t="2556">It your actions reveal if you're crashing out or not, and you could be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2561" data-t="2561">in denial about it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2563" data-t="2563">I I actually had a I crashed out, dude,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2566" data-t="2566">about a year ago.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2568">42:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2568" data-t="2568">And I was on I was super hard, like, just like, fuck. I could I can't stand it. Everyone's talking about doing shit. No one's actually doing shit. These. It's so hard. Like, this was when the meetups were the meetups did go so paper Bitcoin summer destroyed the meetups,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2582" data-t="2582">basically. Everyone was talking about set of price talk. It was a it it was a now this it's okay to talk about micro strategy and all this shit. And people just stopped coming. The the vibe just, like, got killed by that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2594" data-t="2594">and I couldn't stand it. And I crashed out about it. And I had it got so bad that the Metrodol had, like, an intervention with me where they got on a call, and they, like, talked me off the ledge. You know?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2605" data-t="2605">And so, you know, at the time, I didn't feel like I was crashing out. I was in denial about it, but I there was no way for me to prove that to them that I was it was a a real serious like, you know, it wasn't a crash out.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2617">43:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2617" data-t="2617">And so,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2619" data-t="2619">yeah, your your crash out is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2621" data-t="2621">it's not up to you. It's a it's up to how the you the people that you're talking to perceive your actions.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2627">43:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2627" data-t="2627">So there's no there's no, like, sovereign crash outs at this point. Like, a a crash out is like a network effect</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2634" data-t="2634">phenomenon.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2637">43:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2637" data-t="2637">I'd say so. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2640">43:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2640" data-t="2640">So from your experience of having a crash out,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2645" data-t="2645">it sounds like you you had people around you that helped you pull out of it. You know, there's a lot of people on the verge of crashing out. There's a lot of people that are crashing out right now.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2654" data-t="2654">What words of advice do you have for those crashing out?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2659">44:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2659" data-t="2659">You gotta go to the to the group chats. You gotta go to the meetup. You gotta talk to the people you know.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2665" data-t="2665">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2667" data-t="2667">you gotta you gotta just basically confirm</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2670" data-t="2670">that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2671" data-t="2671">it's gonna be alright, you know, that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2674" data-t="2674">this is just a moment in time.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2676">44:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2676" data-t="2676">The the volatility is everywhere. There's volatility in Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2680" data-t="2680">There's volatility in nature,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2682" data-t="2682">and sometimes the volatility does not swing in your direction.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2685" data-t="2685">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2686" data-t="2686">don't worry.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2687" data-t="2687">Zoom out. Right?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2689">44:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2689" data-t="2689">Over enough long enough time horizon, if you lower your time preference,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2692" data-t="2692">things will will hit will swing your way again.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2697">44:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2697" data-t="2697">As a, you know, experienced meetup organizer,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2702" data-t="2702">you you kinda talked about the disruption of the paper Bitcoiners showing up and wanting to talk about their, you know, paper Bitcoins</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2710" data-t="2710">being problematic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2711" data-t="2711">to the meetup</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2712" data-t="2712">structure and and organization,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2716" data-t="2716">you know, impacting</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2717">45:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2717" data-t="2717">members from from coming people, you know, not being interested, you know, participating anymore. You know, for individuals that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2726" data-t="2726">are problematic,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2727" data-t="2727">what are some strategies that you've learned at at handling them? Do you, like, torn feather them in the in the town square for talking about paper Bitcoin? Or, you know, what what are, like, the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2738" data-t="2738">the strategies to prevent disruptive,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2741" data-t="2741">unhelpful</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2742" data-t="2742">behavior in the meetup?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2744">45:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2744" data-t="2744">Well, this is you can you can take permaculture once again and and apply this to the that kind of behavior.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2750" data-t="2750">And so first, you start off by observing and and interacting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2753" data-t="2753">with the person. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2755" data-t="2755">The sec the next step is to accept,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2758" data-t="2758">self regulate, accept, and apply the feedback that that person is giving to you. And then from there, you're able to take a small and slow solution</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2765" data-t="2765">in order to</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2767">46:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2767" data-t="2767">turn this into in permaculture, we have a saying that's called the problem is the solution. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2772" data-t="2772">So how do you take this this person that's kind of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2775" data-t="2775">disrupting the the vibe of the meetup and and running away with the meetup with this price talk and and this paper Bitcoin bullshit</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2782" data-t="2782">and and turn it into an educational experience for everybody else</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2786" data-t="2786">to, and you have to do it gracefully. Right? Because you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2789" data-t="2789">the reason why people come to the meetups is is to learn and and to participate. If you're at the meetup, you're trying to participate. There's no reason to to just,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2797">46:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2797" data-t="2797">poo poo someone and and push them out and exclude them.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2802" data-t="2802">The purity testing is definitely not valuable in meetup culture. Right? There's you don't need to pass all the purity tests. So you just have to find a way to make the problem a solution</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2814" data-t="2814">and and turn it into</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2816" data-t="2816">a a a talk about privacy or a talk about,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2820" data-t="2820">self,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2824" data-t="2824">holding your coins, like,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2826">47:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2826" data-t="2826">cold storage. Right? These these kinds of things.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2828">47:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2828" data-t="2828">So so, like, if they're talking about paper Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2833" data-t="2833">on g u, you you try to change the subject into paper Bitcoin privacy strategies?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2838">47:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2838" data-t="2838">Or what do you what do you mean? Yeah. Like, how how are you gonna quest you ask them questions. Right? Like, how are you how are you maintaining your privacy with your paper Bitcoin? Right? Like, how are you how are you, self self custodying your paper Bitcoin?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2851" data-t="2851">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2852" data-t="2852">that leads to a lot of people that are doing that to think a little bit deeper about how their strategies are to improve that.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2860">47:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2860" data-t="2860">Makes sense. Interesting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2863" data-t="2863">Shifting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2864" data-t="2864">the conversation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2865" data-t="2865">to a new topic here, kind of off</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2868" data-t="2868">off kilter.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2870" data-t="2870">The United States just launched,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2873">47:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2873" data-t="2873">a manned crew into outer space, like, a half hour ago, and it's going to be the first,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2879" data-t="2879">the first crew to fly around the moon</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2882" data-t="2882">in decades.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2884" data-t="2884">Question for you, do you believe this is real? I mean, a, they did it on April Fool's Day,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2890" data-t="2890">which</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2891" data-t="2891">could be a coincidence.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2892">48:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2892" data-t="2892">It could be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2894" data-t="2894">part of the clues that they leave to let us know that it's not real. And b,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2898" data-t="2898">any video</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2899" data-t="2899">that they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2900" data-t="2900">quote unquote, like, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2904" data-t="2904">broadcast back to The United States for us to watch on our screens could be AI slop. There's no way for us to know that the pictures and the video that they're gonna be sending from their flight around the moon in the next few days is real or AI slop.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2917">48:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2917" data-t="2917">But I'm just curious, like, what is your reaction to that we're going around the moon again? And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2922" data-t="2922">it's gonna be the first woman to fly around the moon. She's on board.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2926" data-t="2926">Doctor Richard Harambe just tweeted that there's a Canadian astronaut on board, a man, which means it's basically two women.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2933" data-t="2933">So there's basically two women flying around the moon for the first time. Is this real or fake?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2939">48:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2939" data-t="2939">Well, I hope it's real because I wanna see the pictures of the other side of the moon, the dark side of the moon, the side of the moon that's, so</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2946" data-t="2946">I don't know if you guys know this, but on the on the dark side of the moon, there's a whole civilization</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2951" data-t="2951">of people that are, like, forty feet tall, and they're all hot.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2954" data-t="2954">And, like, dude, I wanna see I don't think why would you need clothes on the moon? So, like, I wanna see the pictures of these these forty foot tall women and their tits out. Right? Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2964" data-t="2964">that would be fucking amazing. And so as soon as those pictures come out, I'll know it's real. Until then, I think that it's probably bullshit.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2971">49:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2971" data-t="2971">Should we have an a Maxi Madness tournament for the hot naked aliens on the men?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2977">49:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2977" data-t="2977">They're not aliens, man. They're just people they're just people like us that are just forty feet tall. They're not even aliens. They're just, you know, I mean That's it. I'm glad that you brought that up because it</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2987">49:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2987" data-t="2987">this sort of off topic again here, but similar.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2990" data-t="2990">When they talk about aliens being real and there being alien technology,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2995" data-t="2995">yada yada,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2997" data-t="2997">What does that mean because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2999" data-t="2999">it kind of depends</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3000" data-t="3000">on your definition</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3002">50:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3002" data-t="3002">of alien?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3003" data-t="3003">So how if if somebody were to say to you, Rev Hoddle,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3008" data-t="3008">come come out from picking your</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3011" data-t="3011">your your gooseberries,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3012" data-t="3012">on your homestead</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3014" data-t="3014">and come look at the TV right now because aliens</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3017">50:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3017" data-t="3017">are are being introduced by the president.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3021" data-t="3021">What does it what does that mean? Are aliens</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3024" data-t="3024">from a different planet?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3026" data-t="3026">Are they a different life form instead of this carbon based life form like us?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3030" data-t="3030">Are they is it is it something</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3033" data-t="3033">mental or spiritual that makes an alien? What is if aliens exist, let's just say the aliens exist.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3040">50:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3040" data-t="3040">What does that mean? What is an alien versus a human?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3043">50:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3043" data-t="3043">Well, there's a whole lot of different kinds of aliens, in my opinion.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3047" data-t="3047">And this comes down to, like, the way I think that the universe works.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3052" data-t="3052">It's all vibration. Right? Everything is connected, and there's there's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3055" data-t="3055">a a vibrational force</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3057" data-t="3057">creating volatility,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3059" data-t="3059">creating entropy throughout the universe. And so I'm sure you guys have seen these,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3065">51:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3065" data-t="3065">these videos of, you know, you put a plate on top of a speaker and you sprinkle some sand on it, and you play the different tones, and the the the sand takes up all these different shapes. And so the vibration of the universe forces form.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3077" data-t="3077">And so the human form is it is dictated by the vibrations of the universe.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3082" data-t="3082">And so that means that there are aliens out there that are from outside the Earth that are people just like us because the that's the only way that the vibration of the universe</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3091" data-t="3091">can only create human. Right? It</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3093" data-t="3093">it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3094" data-t="3094">and so then there's also the the etheric</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3098">51:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3098" data-t="3098">form of alien. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3099" data-t="3099">Where these these transdimensional</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3101" data-t="3101">people or or beings or entities, you could say,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3105" data-t="3105">manifest.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3106" data-t="3106">And so that's kind of like the glitch in the matrix,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3109" data-t="3109">type of experience.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3112">51:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3112" data-t="3112">So there can be many different kinds of aliens, but I think the aliens that people talk about the most are just people from somewhere else, and I think they exist, personally.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3122">52:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3122" data-t="3122">Do you think any of them are on Noster?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3126">52:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3126" data-t="3126">Well, they should be. And that's what I'm like, you know, that's what I think. Like, you know, if the aliens come, I wanna have enough social capital and enough proof, with my signatures, right, of these notes that I've signed and these Bitcoin Bitcoin transactions that I made. Right? It's a public ledger. This is actually beneficial to us because when the aliens show up, they can see who the fuck's been participating in Bitcoin and Gnoster and who's not. And they're gonna wanna come talk to me because I'm on the frontier here as a pioneer. I'm trying to push the world forward into a positive place. The aliens will know this, and they'll</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3158" data-t="3158">the new politicians, right, are gonna be the people not talking with aliens because of the reptilian bullshit fucking center of the earth stuff. I'm gonna be working with the the Pleiadians, right, who are coming with their beautiful blonde hair and their their,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3173">52:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3173" data-t="3173">voluptuous forms,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3175" data-t="3175">and they're gonna wanna talk to me and not the people who are,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3178" data-t="3178">basically Fiat. Right? Just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3180" data-t="3180">the Fiat system shit is is over. Right?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3185">53:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3185" data-t="3185">Playdians are pretty hot.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3189">53:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3189" data-t="3189">Did can aliens crash out?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3192">53:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3192" data-t="3192">Of course.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3194" data-t="3194">Of course. So we're all subject to the same thing. That. Okay. The same We're subject to the same vibrations of the of the universe. Right? So you so So you think that</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3204">53:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3204" data-t="3204">that crash outs</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3205" data-t="3205">are a vibrational</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3207" data-t="3207">phenomenon</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3208" data-t="3208">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3210" data-t="3210">Maxi Madness</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3211" data-t="3211">was a</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3213">53:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3213" data-t="3213">vibration shift on the protocol</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3215" data-t="3215">that people were not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3218" data-t="3218">prepared</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3219" data-t="3219">to handle.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3220" data-t="3220">It it it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3223" data-t="3223">the vibes the vibes freaked them out.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3228">53:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3228" data-t="3228">Well, so oh, alright. You can think about it like this. Right? When you when you drop a a a stone into a still piece a a still pool,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3235" data-t="3235">the ripples</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3236" data-t="3236">go out.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3238" data-t="3238">But it when the ripple ripples reach the end of the pool, they reflect back.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3242" data-t="3242">And so this creates</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3244" data-t="3244">when the ripples start to intersect, now this creates distortion and feedback.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3249">54:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3249" data-t="3249">And so</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3250" data-t="3250">in the sense of Maxi Madness, right, that was the stone being dropped</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3254" data-t="3254">into the the Pool Of Noester,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3257" data-t="3257">which created ripples. And as soon as the ripples bounced to the edge of the pool and started coming back, now the distortion comes. And that feels uncomfortable. Right? You went from looking at a very pleasing,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3267" data-t="3267">waveform into something that turned into chaotic,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3271" data-t="3271">noise. Right? And</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3273">54:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3273" data-t="3273">that if you wanna pull the signal out of the noise, now you've gotta put in some proof of work to determine what to do here.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3280" data-t="3280">That's uncomfortable.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3282">54:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3282" data-t="3282">What do you think the odds that Noah Gruum is a Pleiadian is?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3287">54:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3287" data-t="3287">Well, I believe in this idea of, soul groups and and that there are soul groups that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3294" data-t="3294">have ties</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3295" data-t="3295">to other extraterrestrial</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3297" data-t="3297">communities.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3298" data-t="3298">And so, I mean, judging by the way she looks, man, she could definitely be a part of that Palladian soul group and be here for a purpose. You know?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3308" data-t="3308">Her her soul may have manifested</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3310">55:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3310" data-t="3310">on Earth at the time that she did</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3313" data-t="3313">to, you know, push</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3315" data-t="3315">Bitcoin forward to to because I think there needs to be more music.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3320" data-t="3320">We this decent Demu, the d decentralized music culture is really growing on Nostril, and I think it's really important.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3327" data-t="3327">And the fact that she's putting so much work in participating in that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3331" data-t="3331">doing the Zap streams and all the stuff,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3334">55:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3334" data-t="3334">suggests to me that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3335" data-t="3335">yeah, it's very likely that she is from this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3339" data-t="3339">this more benevolent,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3341" data-t="3341">soul group outside the Earth.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3344">55:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3344" data-t="3344">I kind of agree. Yeah. I think there's a good chance these are playing in for sure.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3351" data-t="3351">Well, yeah,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3354" data-t="3354">looking at wrapping this up, I mean, what what do you see</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3357" data-t="3357">for the rest of 2026?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3359" data-t="3359">What's got you excited?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3362" data-t="3362">Are you thinking about your strategy next year in maxi madness?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3367">56:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3367" data-t="3367">Are you thinking that far ahead? I mean, what what's real important to you right now? What's really important on your highs and the head?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3375" data-t="3375">What are you excited about?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3378">56:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3378" data-t="3378">Well, I think that the most important thing for me is just gonna be continuing to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3383" data-t="3383">the winning the Maxi Madness was a signal to me that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3387" data-t="3387">I'm representing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3389" data-t="3389">what Nostril culture,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3390" data-t="3390">appreciates, what local Bitcoin culture appreciates,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3394" data-t="3394">and that</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3395">56:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3395" data-t="3395">people need to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3397" data-t="3397">if the number is not gonna go up right, if we're in a bear market, you have to hyper Bitcoin as your own life. You have to figure out ways to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3404" data-t="3404">interact with your local Bitcoin community</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3407" data-t="3407">and lean into that and get get the freedom</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3410" data-t="3410">go up. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3412" data-t="3412">Increase the the utility that the Bitcoin affords you to up to build shit and access freedom.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3418">56:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3418" data-t="3418">And when we when we do that, then when the price starts to go up, we're that much more powerful, we're that much more connected,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3425" data-t="3425">and we're that much more ready for when the alien show up for them to come talk to us instead of the the reptilian,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3432" data-t="3432">politicians. Right?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3434">57:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3434" data-t="3434">Absolutely.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3437" data-t="3437">Well, Carl, I gotta say, you you are a true first turning,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3440" data-t="3440">pioneer.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3442" data-t="3442">One of the few out there. Majority of people out there, they're still living in the four turning,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3447" data-t="3447">crashing out.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3449" data-t="3449">You got a very different perspective.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3453">57:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3453" data-t="3453">We'll have to do this again sometime.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3457">57:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3457" data-t="3457">Yeah. I'd be happy to. You know? There's there's a lot going on.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3461" data-t="3461">In the in the meetup culture here locally, we got a lot of pioneers.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3466" data-t="3466">Otis Bittmeyer roasting his coffee.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3468" data-t="3468">The the group the the people in the Masjid Al Man, like you mentioned, Avi,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3473" data-t="3473">he's got how many different podcasts going on. Fundamentals, how many different podcasts does he have going on.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3478" data-t="3478">There there are we we are</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3481">58:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3481" data-t="3481">a a group of people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3482" data-t="3482">who are recognizing that the frontier is we're on the frontier,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3487" data-t="3487">and it's up to us to decide now that we're gonna make the first journey happen happen.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3492" data-t="3492">We're doing it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3494" data-t="3494">We're building our way into</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3496" data-t="3496">the,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3498">58:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3498" data-t="3498">you know, strong men make good times.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3502">58:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3502" data-t="3502">Absolutely.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3504" data-t="3504">Well, go through plug all the meetups that you're part of and and events that you're gonna be part of that, you know, Lake Satoshi is coming up</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3511" data-t="3511">in Michigan.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3514">58:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3514" data-t="3514">Yeah. You can't miss Lake Satoshi. That's the the first weekend in August, I believe.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3521" data-t="3521">I'm not sure about this, but I think it's Saturday, August 2 is, like, the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3525" data-t="3525">the main</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3526" data-t="3526">day. I could be wrong. But first weekend in August.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3529" data-t="3529">But, you know, in Michigan, there's the Southwest Michigan Meetup. That's where you'll see all of this homesteader,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3537" data-t="3537">really good circular economy around food. Then there's the Grand Rapids meetup, which has two meetups. Right? There's the the educational meetup at,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3546">59:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3546" data-t="3546">the factory, and then there's the social meetup, which is at Two Guys Brewing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3551" data-t="3551">And beyond that, I run the South Bend, Indiana meetup. I go to the Chicago BitDevs meetup.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3557" data-t="3557">There's a meetup in Elmhurst, Illinois,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3560" data-t="3560">that I go to as well, the Western Suburbs of of Chicago.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3564" data-t="3564">I go to the the Mid Michigan meetup in Lansing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3568" data-t="3568">There's there's a lot of I I have to say that, you know, the Indianapolis Meetup is really good. The Cleveland meetup is really good. Those are a little outside my range. I might, I I've only been to the Indianapolis Meetup once, but you get the idea. There's there's a meetup for you</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3582">59:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3582" data-t="3582">out there. Right? And if you don't,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3585" data-t="3585">have a meetup near you, if you can't find one, you should start one.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3589">59:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3589" data-t="3589">Well said.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3592" data-t="3592">I've</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3595" data-t="3595">been seeing some chatter in the, the Messerdell chat. It sounds like Jackie is gonna bring some,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3600" data-t="3600">orange paint to Lake Satoshi this year to paint the lawn orange.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3605" data-t="3605">Or will you be partaking in that?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3608" data-t="3608">Do some rallying with Jackie?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3610">1:00:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3610" data-t="3610">You know, if if Jackie's on board and he's he's got the paint,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3614" data-t="3614">you gotta build that social capital, man, and and participate. Right? So I'm in.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3620">1:00:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3620" data-t="3620">Rod, are you in? You're gonna paint the lawn orange with us? I know I'm in.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3625">1:00:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3625" data-t="3625">Paint the town orange.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3627" data-t="3627">Paint all orange.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3629">1:00:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3629" data-t="3629">Rod, you got any closing,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3631" data-t="3631">questions before we, wrap this one up?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3635">1:00:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3635" data-t="3635">You said you've been to the Cleveland Bitcoin Meetup?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3639">1:00:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3639" data-t="3639">I have not been to Cleveland, but I'm I'm pretty, close with the the the Cleveland organizers.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3644" data-t="3644">And they they bring a huge crew to Lake Satoshi every year, so I know,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3649">1:00:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3649" data-t="3649">the Cleveland group. I'm in their group chats and all that stuff. I have to I'll have to bring see if they can bring Philip of Macedonia</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3656" data-t="3656">to Lake Satoshia this year.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3659" data-t="3659">Love to love to meet him in person.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3661" data-t="3661">He could maybe do a performance,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3663" data-t="3663">a a rap performance,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3665" data-t="3665">but, he's a big he's a big listener to the the Paws Jazz. He's not very happy with us right now. He's not happy with the bracket for Maxi Madness,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3674">1:01:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3674" data-t="3674">but I think that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3676" data-t="3676">it'd be great it'd be great to hang out in the late Satoshi.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3680" data-t="3680">I bet you you would love painting the lawn rug or the orange.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3684">1:01:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3684" data-t="3684">Yeah. Phil, if if you come to, Lake Satoshi, you're gonna have a good time.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3688" data-t="3688">You should do it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3690">1:01:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3690" data-t="3690">Where are all your medals? Where are all your medals from,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3694" data-t="3694">grade school. Those are fucking</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3696" data-t="3696">incredible swag.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3698" data-t="3698">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3699" data-t="3699">Just shout out to Philip.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3702">1:01:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3702" data-t="3702">Shout out to Philip indeed.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3704" data-t="3704">Rev Huddle, thank you for coming on. This has been a pleasure. I appreciate it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3709">1:01:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3709" data-t="3709">Hey. You know what? I I'm really happy that you guys chose to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3713" data-t="3713">get Maxi Madness over to Noester.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3715" data-t="3715">I do think that it is important. This is important.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3719" data-t="3719">As much as people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3720" data-t="3720">like to think that this is all,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3723" data-t="3723">just fun and games, There's more to it than that. And the only way you know that is if you listen to forty hours of Bitcoin podcast per week and that you listen to the bugle and you understand</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3733">1:02:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3733" data-t="3733">the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3735" data-t="3735">the message that you guys are putting out.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3738">1:02:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3738" data-t="3738">Well, thank you, Rev Hoddle.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3741" data-t="3741">Folks, go get Rev Hoddle a, follow on Oster. If you're not following him yet, I don't know what what's wrong with you. You should reconsider</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3748" data-t="3748">your life decisions. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3751" data-t="3751">people's champ.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3754" data-t="3754">It's been a great rip.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3756" data-t="3756">Folks, we'll see you on another episode of intellectual soap road soon.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3763">1:02:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3763" data-t="3763">Trying to stay calm, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3767" data-t="3767">I can feel it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3768" data-t="3768">Don't crash out.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3770" data-t="3770">Don't crash</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3771" data-t="3771">out. That's what I keep telling myself</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3774" data-t="3774">now.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3775">1:02:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3775" data-t="3775">Whole world watching zoomed in close.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3778" data-t="3778">Went wrong post and it's over. I know.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3782" data-t="3782">Don't crash out. Don't crash</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3785" data-t="3785">out. But they love when you lose control.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3788" data-t="3788">Now everybody say stay chill. Chill out loud, but they really wanna see you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3794" data-t="3794">crash out.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3796">1:03:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3796" data-t="3796">Politics turn into common fights. Everyone's swinging for</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3812">1:03:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rev Hodl</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3812" data-t="3812">screenshot every little thought you try to breathe, you try to pause, they spam, say more they want it raw.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3818">1:03:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3818" data-t="3818">Don't crush</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3819" data-t="3819">out. Don't crush out. Don't crush out. That's what I keep telling myself</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3824" data-t="3824">now.</span> <span class="cue" data-t="3824">Whole world watching.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3826" data-t="3826">Zoom getting close.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3867">1:04:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3867" data-t="3867">Away, but the noise still echoes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3870" data-t="3870">anyway.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3872" data-t="3872">Don't crash out.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3874" data-t="3874">Don't crash out. That's what I keep telling myself</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3878" data-t="3878">now.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3879" data-t="3879">Whole world watching. Swooned in close.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3895">1:04:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3895" data-t="3895">They really wanna see you crash out.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3899" data-t="3899">Maybe it's me, maybe it's us, maybe we all just feel too much. Too many eyes, too many takes, too many chances for one mistake</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3908" data-t="3908">to become, but the time line shakes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3911" data-t="3911">Every second is a higher stay.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3916" data-t="3916">Stay cool,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3918" data-t="3918">stay cool. Don't lose it. Don't give them what they came</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3921">1:05:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3921" data-t="3921">for.</span></span></p>