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People weekly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-24" data-t="24">sound the call.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-26">0:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-26" data-t="26">Rod and Dick</span> <span class="cue" id="t-28" data-t="28">will catch it all.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-30" data-t="30">They do the baking so you are not misled.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-35" data-t="35">Credentials</span> <span class="cue" id="t-36" data-t="36">matter,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-37" data-t="37">you know, said.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-39">0:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-39" data-t="39">From the streets to the swoops, they dig deep and they cry. No secret to hidden,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-46" data-t="46">no</span> <span class="cue" id="t-47" data-t="47">mystery to sly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-48" data-t="48">With courage and grit,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-50" data-t="50">they fight for the right. In the battle of the worst, they're the guiding</span> <span class="cue" id="t-56" data-t="56">light to go weekly.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-59">0:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-59" data-t="59">Sound the call. Rod</span> <span class="cue" id="t-61" data-t="61">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-62" data-t="62">Dick will catch it all.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-64" data-t="64">They do the thinking so you are not misled.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-69" data-t="69">Financials</span> <span class="cue" id="t-70" data-t="70">matter</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-71">1:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-71" data-t="71">in a sense.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-74" data-t="74">Echo's of the bugle</span> <span class="cue" id="t-76" data-t="76">ringing through the night</span> <span class="cue" id="t-78" data-t="78">with every revelation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-80" data-t="80">they bring wrongs</span> <span class="cue" id="t-81" data-t="81">to life.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-84">1:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-84" data-t="84">In a sea of deception,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-86" data-t="86">they're the island of truth.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-88" data-t="88">Rod Palmer and Dick Greaser defending</span> <span class="cue" id="t-91" data-t="91">all that's good. Diggle weakly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-95" data-t="95">sound the call.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-97" data-t="97">Rod and Dick</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-99">1:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-99" data-t="99">will catch it all.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-101" data-t="101">They do the thinking so you are not misled.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-105" data-t="105">Credentials</span> <span class="cue" id="t-106" data-t="106">matter,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-107" data-t="107">enough</span> <span class="cue" id="t-108" data-t="108">said.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-110">1:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-110" data-t="110">So tune in each week to the bugles, pray, cry, rod, and dick on the case. Let the truth never die.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-118" data-t="118">What come will be defeated</span> <span class="cue" id="t-120" data-t="120">no matter the cost.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-122">2:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-122" data-t="122">The bugle is the compass for society that is lost. Okay. So I I think I clicked the record button. I think we're recording.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-132" data-t="132">I'm a little bit rusty at this. It's been a long time since I've actually had to produce an episode on my own.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-139" data-t="139">Kaylee,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-140" data-t="140">has decided to run off with some Manero guy and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-145" data-t="145">leave us hanging. I think she was a little bit flustered.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-149" data-t="149">We had some discussions about</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-151">2:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-151" data-t="151">our relationship with Podkoff.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-153" data-t="153">But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-154" data-t="154">yeah. Anyways, hopefully, it doesn't sound that bad. But this episode, we are doing without our smoking hot</span> <span class="cue" id="t-161" data-t="161">producer, Kaylee. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-164" data-t="164">yeah, anyways,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-165" data-t="165">welcome to this edition of the Beagle Weekly. This is your cohost, Richard Greaser. And</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-172">2:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-172" data-t="172">I'm I'm pretty stoked. Bitcoin just keeps on hitting all time highs.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-176" data-t="176">It was flirting with a 100 k,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-179" data-t="179">the past week.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-180" data-t="180">We're almost caught up to Canada. It it's gonna be a monumental</span> <span class="cue" id="t-185" data-t="185">moment in our nation's history</span> <span class="cue" id="t-187" data-t="187">when</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-188">3:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-188" data-t="188">Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-189" data-t="189">breaches that point.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-192" data-t="192">But, yeah, how are you doing today, Ron?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-194">3:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-194" data-t="194">I'm doing really well.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-196" data-t="196">Yeah,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-197" data-t="197">to speak to Hailey,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-200" data-t="200">I think it's just a phase. I think a lot of people,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-205" data-t="205">they they get really upset,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-207" data-t="207">about privacy</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-208">3:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-208" data-t="208">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-209" data-t="209">not being able to scale and not being able to solve for it to have covenants and and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-214" data-t="214">stuff for the, you know, marginalized people to have access to block space. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-220" data-t="220">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-221" data-t="221">she's in her twenties, you know, whatever, like, have fun.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-224" data-t="224">It's gonna suck to miss the bull market to be with a bunch of, Monero</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-229">3:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-229" data-t="229">conferences,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-230" data-t="230">but, we're hoping to get to back. But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-233" data-t="233">other than that, yeah, couldn't be more bullish. We everybody's got,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-237" data-t="237">a 100 k</span> <span class="cue" id="t-239" data-t="239">watch parties,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-240" data-t="240">with the with the price, live price feed right on X or right on Noister.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-245">4:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-245" data-t="245">Everybody's paying attention.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-247" data-t="247">It's awesome. It's it's exciting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-249" data-t="249">We just have to get over that that fucking cell wall. The cell wall is just in our way. What do you think about this damn cell wall?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-257">4:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-257" data-t="257">Well, you know, there's a lot of people that still don't think Lyn Alden is hot.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-262" data-t="262">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-263" data-t="263">we just have to eviscerate them. I know the stack chainers are,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-268" data-t="268">you know, they're stacking the hardest.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-270" data-t="270">They're working overtime</span> <span class="cue" id="t-272" data-t="272">at work in order to have more income to be able to stack.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-276">4:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-276" data-t="276">They know what moment we're in right now. They know this is the bull market,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-280" data-t="280">that this time's different. They've been listening to RHR,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-284" data-t="284">Gary Marty,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-285" data-t="285">pontificate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-287" data-t="287">about,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-288" data-t="288">you know, the the differences between this cycle compared to any cycle before.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-295">4:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-295" data-t="295">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-296" data-t="296">I I think we'll overcome this. I think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-298" data-t="298">you know, the the market will show that Lennard Olden is hot.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-303">5:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-303" data-t="303">People</span> <span class="cue" id="t-304" data-t="304">people are not people have not been paying this close</span> <span class="cue" id="t-308" data-t="308">of attention to Bitcoin and this industry and this culture and our podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-314" data-t="314">in, in several years. And it's the eyes that there's never been more eyes on it. And by golly,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-320" data-t="320">did we just really probably miss</span> <span class="cue" id="t-324" data-t="324">Peter McCormick, what Bitcoin did, how many people would be watching that podcast this week? If it went all, then went all there.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-330">5:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-330" data-t="330">And, and she explained</span> <span class="cue" id="t-332" data-t="332">to all these people who were just paying attention for the first time. Like, she explains the definition of hard money.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-338" data-t="338">And like, she explains like how they used to clip, you know, the gold off of gold coins and, like, this is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-347" data-t="347">her macro thesis. This is, like, this is what the treasury market like, they hear all this stuff and they see that YouTube video and they see how hot she is. Dude, like, they are gonna be smashed buying</span> <span class="cue" id="t-357" data-t="357">whether it's into MicroStrategy,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-359" data-t="359">the ETF,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-361">6:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-361" data-t="361">or or Spot Bitcoin, they're gonna be smashed buying. And that's that that sell wall instead of, like, these hedge funds just trying to make some money and sell it a 100 ks.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-371" data-t="371">They're going to be tier believers and they'll be part of the buy wall. They'll be part of that that stack, that buy chain on on Twitter.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-378">6:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-378" data-t="378">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-379" data-t="379">I I think that wall will get eviscerated</span> <span class="cue" id="t-382" data-t="382">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-383" data-t="383">there's just so much bullish</span> <span class="cue" id="t-386" data-t="386">bullish,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-387">6:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-387" data-t="387">news. It is not even it's not even a real wall. It's a spoof. It's like a it's a sigh up. It is a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-393" data-t="393">digital it's like a pseudo spoof. It's like all the likes and and retweets on the on Twitter.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-399" data-t="399">It's all a pseudo spoof to make you believe that that's what's popular. People think that selling at a 100 k not thinking that Lin Alden is hot is popular, but it's just it's a pseudo spoof.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-409" data-t="409">Yep. And it's not like Dice Wall in Antarctica. It's not a real wall. Like, we you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-414" data-t="414">it it Shinobi told me privately that we could hard fork around this wall easily, and it would work, but people would probably not wanna do it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-423" data-t="423">But, like,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-425">7:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-425" data-t="425">they can't stop us.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-426">7:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-426" data-t="426">Well, there there are I wouldn't necessarily call it a hard fork, but there are people that are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-434" data-t="434">actually going around the wall,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-437" data-t="437">because they don't wanna go on these these exchange. If you go on to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-441" data-t="441">peer to peer exchanges, you're able to buy Bitcoin at a 100 k right now. If you don't wanna wait</span> <span class="cue" id="t-447" data-t="447">to buy it at a 100 k, you can go on BISC and and get that exchange rate there. So that's a good point. So</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-454">7:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-454" data-t="454">if you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-455" data-t="455">if you actually are not a,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-458" data-t="458">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-459" data-t="459">just a a larp</span> <span class="cue" id="t-461" data-t="461">and you're actually here for the sovereignty,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-465" data-t="465">and the peer to peer, the transacting, like,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-468">7:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-468" data-t="468">those people are already paid a 100 ks. They have already gotten to that side. The other side of the, the big cell wall that I think a lot of people, I think there's a lot of people who came into Bitcoin in the past,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-480" data-t="480">you know, since 2020</span> <span class="cue" id="t-482" data-t="482">at least. And they, they've been on zero</span> <span class="cue" id="t-485" data-t="485">where they liquidated</span> <span class="cue" id="t-487" data-t="487">their, retirement account and took the, you know, the 25%</span> <span class="cue" id="t-491" data-t="491">tax penalty</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-493">8:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-493" data-t="493">at the top, and then they put it on BlockFi</span> <span class="cue" id="t-496" data-t="496">to get 8% yield on their Bitcoin because they were gonna find they didn't wanna have, a government four zero one ks. They wanted sovereign Bitcoin earning yield on BlockFi.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-506" data-t="506">And then that, you know, that went bankrupt, but these people, they took such a big risk because they, they cared about the sovereignty</span> <span class="cue" id="t-513" data-t="513">and that got them over.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-515" data-t="515">Some of those people have a cell wall.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-517" data-t="517">It's like, they've got this point where it's like, I'm gonna sell my Bitcoin at this point.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-522">8:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-522" data-t="522">But once you get over like that feeling of your own personal cell wall and you realize that Linoleum is hot, there's just nothing but clear skies after after 100 ks, we're already on the other side if you wanna join us. Well,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-537">8:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-537" data-t="537">you know, speaking of BlockFi, so, you know, if you're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-541" data-t="541">people have to be honest with themselves</span> <span class="cue" id="t-543" data-t="543">on whether they're high time preference individuals or low time preference individuals. Like, you have to know that about yourselves. Like, so people, they just struggle with being,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-553" data-t="553">high time preference individuals. They're just very, like, shortsighted.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-557" data-t="557">They they make a pulse of decisions.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-561" data-t="561">If you're one of those people,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-563">9:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-563" data-t="563">maybe you should consider</span> <span class="cue" id="t-565" data-t="565">using one of these platforms, whatever the next iteration</span> <span class="cue" id="t-569" data-t="569">of Mt. Gox or BlockFi.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-571" data-t="571">You you see a company that looks a little bit sketchy,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-575" data-t="575">you know, Celsius two point</span> <span class="cue" id="t-577" data-t="577">o, maybe there'll be an exchange called Fahrenheit that offers some</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-582">9:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-582" data-t="582">sort</span> <span class="cue" id="t-583" data-t="583">of yield or maybe even this is something like buying micro strategy stock of like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-590" data-t="590">something.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-591" data-t="591">If you're able to identify what's gonna be the next BlockFi,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-596" data-t="596">this time around in in this super cycle because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-599" data-t="599">the problem is Bitcoin keeps on going up.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-603">10:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-603" data-t="603">And like a lot of these high time preference people, they'll take profits at some point. They'll sell their whole stacks</span> <span class="cue" id="t-609" data-t="609">at a price way lower than what could potentially be achieved. So if the company</span> <span class="cue" id="t-615" data-t="615">that they're custodying their funds with goes bankrupt,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-619" data-t="619">and even if they get a smaller amount back in the bankruptcy settlement,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-623" data-t="623">it's essentially like a forced huddle for maybe ten years.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-627" data-t="627">Right. And</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-629">10:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-629" data-t="629">they're gonna be really happy because, you know, in those ten years that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-633" data-t="633">that Bitcoin that they probably would have sold to do some sort of high time preference activity,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-641" data-t="641">it's gonna be worth a lot of cigarettes to say the least. Yeah. Totally. And it's like if you if you buy,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-647">10:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-647" data-t="647">you know, on Robosats or BISK, you are buying the town, but you're buying, you know, higher I mean, you potentially</span> <span class="cue" id="t-654" data-t="654">could go on biz, you know, and pay a $105,000</span> <span class="cue" id="t-658" data-t="658">for a Bitcoin. And the Bitcoin may may go down. It may, you know, the bull market top for the cycle may be a 100 k. But you have already lowered your pro your time preference because now it's gonna take even longer</span> <span class="cue" id="t-671" data-t="671">for you to be in the profit for even to be able to consider selling. So it's like, you can, it's, it's kinda like taking a cold plunge</span> <span class="cue" id="t-678" data-t="678">or, or,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-679" data-t="679">doing these other really shocking, like really difficult tasks</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-683">11:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-683" data-t="683">to lower your time preference. And Mhmm. You know, you can do that and and keep your you know, it builds your discipline.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-691">11:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-691" data-t="691">Yeah. It's like going to a Robert Breedlove Alpha</span> <span class="cue" id="t-694" data-t="694">Right. Mail course.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-696" data-t="696">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-698" data-t="698">There's a lot of people out there that are gonna be coming into the space that are new. And I think it's important for them, you know, to kinda get the the lay of the landscape. You and I were having a conversation,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-710" data-t="710">the other night, and you were talking about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-713" data-t="713">how,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-714">11:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-714" data-t="714">you know, coming into, like, the the Bitcoin Twitter and the Bitcoin nostril is kinda like coming into a prison yard. You know what I mean? And you gotta be looking around</span> <span class="cue" id="t-724" data-t="724">carefully,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-726" data-t="726">you know, trying to figure out the lay of the land and identify</span> <span class="cue" id="t-730" data-t="730">the threats.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-732" data-t="732">And you're gonna wanna be able</span> <span class="cue" id="t-734" data-t="734">to get into a meme game right away. Right. Exactly. Exactly. When I came in,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-740">12:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-740" data-t="740">you get on you get on Bitcoin Twitter and you man, it is the wild west.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-746" data-t="746">People are saying the most noncompliant thing, and they're talking to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-751" data-t="751">Harvard economists,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-754" data-t="754">credentialed journalists,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-756" data-t="756">celebrities, they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-757" data-t="757">are</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-758">12:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-758" data-t="758">they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-759" data-t="759">are just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-761" data-t="761">mocking them,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-763" data-t="763">being they're ridiculing them and just calling them out for scams.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-767" data-t="767">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-768" data-t="768">it's like, holy shit.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-770">12:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-770" data-t="770">I can't keep up with this. You know, I'm gonna tweet something about, you know, my favorite hardware wallet, and somebody's gonna call me a scammer. Like, I like, I've gotta join a gang. I gotta I need protection. So So you could join, like, the Moscow Meme Tard. You could join,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-785" data-t="785">the, this is before triple elite memes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-788" data-t="788">What was it? Moscow Meme Tards? What was the other one? There was,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-792" data-t="792">meme factory,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-794" data-t="794">fifty eight ks Gang.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-796" data-t="796">Some people would just go if they had, like, the same first name, like the Benz, like, they kinda had the lines, but you gotta find one of those.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-803">13:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-803" data-t="803">And you just gotta start, retweeting each other's memes, and you start to realize, like, hey. You you you can dunk on and you can criticize, and you just you just follow that. You just follow your gang.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-814">13:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-814" data-t="814">Wonderful. Hate it all. Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-817" data-t="817">Well, really important,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-819" data-t="819">thing to know</span> <span class="cue" id="t-821" data-t="821">is if you wanna stay out of hot water with,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-827" data-t="827">with which hardware wallet you're shilling,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-830" data-t="830">just only shill the ones that are giving you sponsorship money. So, like, you know, one of the first things that you should do when you come to space is you should start a Bitcoin podcast.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-839">13:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-839" data-t="839">And when you start a Bitcoin podcast, you should try and cater a hardware wallet company</span> <span class="cue" id="t-844" data-t="844">for being a sponsor.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-846" data-t="846">And then when they sponsor you, then you show that one.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-850" data-t="850">And then nobody can really, you know, give you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-853" data-t="853">too hard of a problem. And then, you know, the the the sponsor kinda gives you some social protection</span> <span class="cue" id="t-859" data-t="859">because</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-861">14:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-861" data-t="861">they'll use the other people that they sponsor</span> <span class="cue" id="t-865" data-t="865">to back you up and give you credibility. So that that's kinda like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-869" data-t="869">you know, even even with your sponsors that you choose for your podcast is kinda like</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-874">14:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-874" data-t="874">getting a click to protect you. You know what I mean? Right. And it can be kind it can be kind of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-879" data-t="879">controversial to take a sponsorship from, like, an exchange or, like, a Bitcoin company like Swan or Ranther</span> <span class="cue" id="t-886" data-t="886">or Relay.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-887" data-t="887">But it's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-888" data-t="888">when you take one from a hardware wallet, people know</span> <span class="cue" id="t-892" data-t="892">that you</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-894">14:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-894" data-t="894">are pretty legit. Like, hardware wallets are best not like, oh, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-898" data-t="898">get 10% off if you buy Bitcoin from the same KYC company as me. It's like you're gonna you're you're saving your Bitcoin in cold storage,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-906" data-t="906">with a hardware wallet and they're sponsoring you. Like, you must be, like, a fucking cypherpunk Bitcoin podcaster or influencer.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-913" data-t="913">So it just the amount of respect that you'll have having, like, Bitbox</span> <span class="cue" id="t-919" data-t="919">or Coldcard</span> <span class="cue" id="t-921" data-t="921">or Trezor, like, in your in your quarter,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-925">15:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-925" data-t="925">it's it's it's really it's priceless, honestly, but it does come with a sponsorship money too. So you actually get paid.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-932">15:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-932" data-t="932">I feel like it's really important out of inclusivity</span> <span class="cue" id="t-935" data-t="935">inclusivity</span> <span class="cue" id="t-936" data-t="936">that we name</span> <span class="cue" id="t-938" data-t="938">all the other ones. So there's, like, seed signer, which doesn't really do sponsorships, but there's a whole click that you could get,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-946" data-t="946">in with, there's foundation.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-949" data-t="949">There's Ledger.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-950">15:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-950" data-t="950">I think Foundation,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-952" data-t="952">they used to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-953" data-t="953">Seth for Privacy used to work for them. So Seth for Privacy worked for Foundation. It's pretty cool.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-959">15:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-959" data-t="959">Yeah. There there's some street cred that you can get. You wanna be aligned with people like Seth Seth for privacy or or Bitcoin q and a because they,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-968" data-t="968">you know,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-969">16:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-969" data-t="969">they're the cool guys on the street. But, Yeah. And you can't go wrong with the Blockstream Jade. I mean, it was Blockstream. It's Adam Back. I mean, Samson.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-977">16:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-977" data-t="977">Hell yeah. They were they were in the HBO documentary. So do you wanna be,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-982" data-t="982">you know, sponsored?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-983" data-t="983">There there's, like, kinda different, you know, tiers that you can like, do you wanna be a skater,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-990" data-t="990">hang out at the skate park, or do you wanna be, like, a country club snob and hanging out at the country club? You know, you kinda have your choice of of which direction you wanna go.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1002" data-t="1002">But, yeah, it's, you you can only really have an exchange sponsorship if you combine it with a hardware wallet. Because the problem with having a sponsorship that's just an exchange</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1013" data-t="1013">is that it's not the full step to self custody. You know what I mean? So if you have the exchange by itself,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1021">17:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1021" data-t="1021">it's it people can interpret it as you shilling for people to buy Bitcoin and and hold it custodially</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1028" data-t="1028">on the exchange,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1030" data-t="1030">which is not it's not cool. It's not popular.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1033" data-t="1033">You know, I know Fred Krueger is trying to make it cool, but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1037" data-t="1037">you know, bragging about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1039" data-t="1039">his wife being at</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1041">17:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1041" data-t="1041">her boyfriend's house all the time is not,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1044" data-t="1044">like, a good way to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1046" data-t="1046">to try and be cool on Bitcoin Twitter.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1049">17:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1049" data-t="1049">Absolutely not.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1051" data-t="1051">Yeah. You definitely have to do the, the the full</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1054" data-t="1054">the full stack. You got to be a full stack,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1058" data-t="1058">podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1059" data-t="1059">sponsor.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1060" data-t="1060">Mhmm. Or you have to have the full stack of podcast sponsors. So you can't you can't just have the the exchange. You've gotta have the hardware wallet, and you have to find a way</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1070">17:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1070" data-t="1070">to fucking make build a synergy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1073" data-t="1073">between those two because people really are going, especially new people. They're really gonna be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1080" data-t="1080">tribal about where they buy their their Bitcoin, and they're gonna really think that you're you're a bitch or you're a cock if you're buying from somewhere else, and they're gonna feel the same way about their hardware wallet. But if you can build, like, a community around people who</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1093" data-t="1093">buy Bitcoin from Relay straight into their Bitbox,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1097" data-t="1097">like, it is gonna be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1100" data-t="1100">it's it's it's gonna be like a European Bitcoin conference. It's gonna</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1104">18:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1104" data-t="1104">be probably the pop most popular thing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1107" data-t="1107">to be a part of at meetups</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1109" data-t="1109">throughout Western Europe.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1111">18:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1111" data-t="1111">Alright. They think about this stack setup. So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1117" data-t="1117">like, if you wanna be really cool as a podcaster, you have to have, like, some variation of stamp seed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1123" data-t="1123">sponsoring you. Yeah. Because paper's not Here's a not good. Here's a really good example.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1129">18:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1129" data-t="1129">This is the best example, I think. Our friends in Canada, if you're a cool Canadian Bitcoiner,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1135" data-t="1135">you buy your Bitcoin at Bull and you withdraw it to a Gold Card.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1139" data-t="1139">Like, you go to a a meetup in Toronto,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1142" data-t="1142">they'll bolt Bitcoin into a cold card, you're gonna be they're gonna be buying you Molesims,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1148" data-t="1148">the first day you go to a meetup.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1150">19:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1150" data-t="1150">Are are you even allowed to use, like, from a not from a legal perspective, but from a social perspective to buy any other hardware wallet besides a cold card if you're Canadian? I don't know. I I don't I don't think that, I don't think he'd be welcome</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1165">19:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1165" data-t="1165">at the Tim Hortons</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1166" data-t="1166">if you, were not using a cold card.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1169">19:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1169" data-t="1169">I I I think at the at the Canadian Bitcoin conference, there's probably people that, like, try and, like, you know, corner people in the alleys, figure out what hardware vault they are and beat them up. It it is kinda like, you know, British, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1184" data-t="1184">soccer hooligans,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1186">19:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1186" data-t="1186">you know, policing. Yeah. Right. Like, you show up to the Canadian Bitcoin conference or you show up to Bitcoin rodeo,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1193" data-t="1193">and somebody senses that you set a transaction that wasn't air gapped,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1197" data-t="1197">you're probably not gonna be seen again.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1200" data-t="1200">Mhmm. Like, this dude's not air gapped. You have to, surround it. We'll kick his ass. Find him out of town, torn feather.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1207">20:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1207" data-t="1207">Yeah. So, like, if you're a Canadian, you're not you don't have a cold card. You should probably keep that to yourself.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1214" data-t="1214">I I just I I can't believe, like, a country like that, you know, with a president like Trudeau who cares so much about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1220" data-t="1220">tolerance</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1221" data-t="1221">allows for, like, such intolerant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1225" data-t="1225">actions. Like, I I feel like, you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1227" data-t="1227">know,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1229">20:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1229" data-t="1229">you you would be seeing people, like, Canadians going to prison for, you know, tweeting intolerant things about non cold card users.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1237" data-t="1237">But it seems like they let it fly.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1240">20:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1240" data-t="1240">Anyway, if you if you think about, like, this last four years or so,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1245" data-t="1245">some of the most respected</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1248" data-t="1248">macro</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1250" data-t="1250">but also, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1252" data-t="1252">a a big fidelity to the the protocol itself. Like, those podcasters,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1257" data-t="1257">like, the synergy there was, like, river.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1260">21:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1260" data-t="1260">You buy river and you do self custody</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1263" data-t="1263">to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1264" data-t="1264">an Unchained</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1266">21:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1266" data-t="1266">capital multi signature vault. So I've got a question for you. So, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1270" data-t="1270">I think, you know, as Bitcoin continues to win, we're gonna see, you know, policing of Bitcoin memes online. There's already policing of political memes online</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1279" data-t="1279">in a lot of these countries, a lot of these western democracies</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1282" data-t="1282">Yeah. As Alex Gladstein would say. Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1286" data-t="1286">Where there's due process, there's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1289" data-t="1289">you know, very</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1290">21:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1290" data-t="1290">stringent</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1291" data-t="1291">policing of memes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1294" data-t="1294">But I just totally forgot where I was going with that train of thought. Wow.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1299" data-t="1299">Or it's late Sunday night when we're as we're recording this.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1303" data-t="1303">It's a bull market. You can't sleep in the bull market. You know what I mean? There's too much news to cover,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1309" data-t="1309">too much to be done. Right.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1310">21:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1310" data-t="1310">Right. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1312" data-t="1312">Difficulty</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1313" data-t="1313">rate is through the roof right now. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1317">21:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1317" data-t="1317">I I feel like you, like, age with, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1320" data-t="1320">these cycles too. Like, you know, the first cycle,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1324" data-t="1324">you don't sleep at all. But, like, the older you get in Bitcoin years, the more you have to sleep later on. I've never met I've never met somebody with a low a time preference</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1336">22:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1336" data-t="1336">equal</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1337" data-t="1337">to that of somebody who bought before 2017.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1340" data-t="1340">I've never seen somebody with that low a time preference that didn't have gray hair or they were bald.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1346">22:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1346" data-t="1346">Well, imagine if you bought Bitcoin for the first time in 2024</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1351" data-t="1351">and it's your first cycle. Your first cycle is the super cycle. It's it's that's pretty exciting,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1358">22:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1358" data-t="1358">but it's it's terrifying.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1360">22:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1360" data-t="1360">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1361" data-t="1361">Oh, here here's here was the point that I wanna talk about. So, you know, there's all this policing and memes. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1368" data-t="1368">The the this is part of just regulatory clarity</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1371" data-t="1371">coming into the space. And, like, the harder that Bitcoin wins,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1376" data-t="1376">the more the more Bitcoiners need to go to prison</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1379" data-t="1379">for noncompliance of various forms. You know what I mean? Because the the regulatory clarity is part of winning. Right? So how would,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1388">23:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1388" data-t="1388">who's gonna go? Is there gonna be any rhyme or reason to who's going to prison? So I don't know. I mean, it's very it's a very good question. I I think, like,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1399">23:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1399" data-t="1399">Shinobi thinks that you should he basically thinks that you should, like, sacraf like, you should it's like your duty to go to prison. It's your duty to go to jail.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1407">23:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1407" data-t="1407">The the thing that Shinobi doesn't understand is, like, we can't all go to prison. Like, there's not enough</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1413" data-t="1413">spots in prison for us to go to.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1416">23:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1416" data-t="1416">It is. I don't even think they let you listen to Bitcoin podcasts in prison.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1420" data-t="1420">That's the problem.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1422" data-t="1422">Yeah. I think that I think that you should I think that all prisoners should have access. I think should be part of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1428" data-t="1428">the rehabilitation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1429" data-t="1429">program of our federal prisons</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1431" data-t="1431">and our state prisons,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1434">23:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1434" data-t="1434">to listen to forty hours of Bitcoin podcast per week. And I think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1438" data-t="1438">if you did that, I think of the the recidivism, the the, you know, reoffend rate,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1444" data-t="1444">the the problems in our society would drastically</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1447" data-t="1447">decrease.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1449">24:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1449" data-t="1449">Well, maybe this is this is this could be an initiative that the Beagle starts, which is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1455" data-t="1455">you could call it the Orange Cross.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1457" data-t="1457">You know what I mean? And it's like our job to get materials</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1460" data-t="1460">to prisoners so, like, they have they have care packages. You know, we can get them,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1467" data-t="1467">like, baklava</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1468" data-t="1468">for Christmas. You know, for manta ray. We could get them copies of StatChain magazine.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1475">24:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1475" data-t="1475">You know, we we could send their kids open dimes and and SaaS cards.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1480">24:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1480" data-t="1480">Right. No. Yeah. I think this is I think I think they you've</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1484" data-t="1484">your question is a little too bearish,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1487" data-t="1487">because I don't think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1489" data-t="1489">people are going to prison this cycle. I think that's the other way around. I think what what I just said, like, we can,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1497" data-t="1497">make it part of the program to listen to forty hours of Bitcoin podcast. If you're sleeping on the street, which is gonna be made illegal,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1502" data-t="1502">you have a tent or, you know, you live in a box on the street, boom, you're going to a center</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1507">25:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1507" data-t="1507">where you're gonna have access to forty hours of Bitcoin podcasts until you get better. If you are, you know, like addicted to fentanyl and you're on the streets, if you're just addicted to painkillers, you're gonna go</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1518" data-t="1518">to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1519" data-t="1519">you know, a new federal orange billing center and you're gonna have access</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1523" data-t="1523">to the best</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1524" data-t="1524">Bitcoin podcasts</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1526" data-t="1526">at at your disposal.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1528">25:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1528" data-t="1528">In fact, you're not gonna be able to do anything else, but sit, you know, sit or walk</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1533" data-t="1533">in the sun</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1534" data-t="1534">out in the yard and listen to Bitcoin podcast. And so you improve. And I think that that is how we're going to improve things. It's it's not Bitcoiners that are going to jail. It's the people who refuse</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1545" data-t="1545">to adopt Bitcoin standard who refuse to listen to Bitcoin podcasts,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1550" data-t="1550">voluntarily.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1551" data-t="1551">They're gonna be the ones that are gonna be going</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1554">25:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1554" data-t="1554">to to jail, to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1556" data-t="1556">rehab,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1557" data-t="1557">to, immigration</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1559" data-t="1559">center camps,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1560" data-t="1560">just concentration. It's con You need to be concentrating</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1563">26:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1563" data-t="1563">on Bitcoin podcasts. You need to go to concentration camps and listen to forty hours of Bitcoin podcasts. So Well, the thing that's difficult is like, you know, maybe that's what the future holds for us, but it seems like the harder that we win, the more Bitcoiners keep on going to prison, and it's kinda confusing.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1582">26:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1582" data-t="1582">Until until he lets Ross out.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1584">26:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1584" data-t="1584">It it it it maybe yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1588">26:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1588" data-t="1588">Yeah. I guess Yeah. Yeah. It's like the French revolution, Bastille Day. We're gonna break we're breaking them out of the prisons.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1594">26:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1594" data-t="1594">Yeah. I guess that's, like, one of the the keys that we could do. So, like, if we keep on selecting Bitcoin podcast or listeners and and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1602" data-t="1602">and maybe even Bitcoin podcast or some day, Bitcoin plebs to the presidency, they can keep on letting Bitcoiners out of jail</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1610" data-t="1610">faster than they can put them in jail. And that would be very exciting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1614" data-t="1614">Because, like, you know, maybe the next cycle,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1618" data-t="1618">you know, when Dennis Porter's selected, you know, he'll he'll finally be able to let the the samurai guys off the hook,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1625" data-t="1625">essentially.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1626">27:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1626" data-t="1626">Right. You know, all these people that are, you know, getting chased around by these noncompliant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1630" data-t="1630">government</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1631" data-t="1631">agencies. So, I mean, like, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1635" data-t="1635">I think one of the problems with government in general</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1639" data-t="1639">in the way that it's operated for the last little bit is that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1644" data-t="1644">these politicians, they don't understand</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1646">27:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1646" data-t="1646">consensus</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1647" data-t="1647">like Bitcoiners do. They don't understand game theory.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1651" data-t="1651">They they just don't understand a lot of these very important</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1655" data-t="1655">topics</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1656" data-t="1656">or or or or concepts that that should be mandatory</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1659" data-t="1659">for them to understand to be even</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1662">27:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1662" data-t="1662">qualified</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1663" data-t="1663">to be there in their possession</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1665" data-t="1665">or positions. And I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1668" data-t="1668">as the the politicians become more qualified</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1672" data-t="1672">like, imagine the difference between, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1676" data-t="1676">you know, your normal run of the mill Republican politician,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1680">27:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1680" data-t="1680">like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1682" data-t="1682">what's that guy's name? Give give me give Mitt Romney. You could</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1686" data-t="1686">yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Imagine if Mitt Romney was replaced with, American huddle.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1692" data-t="1692">What that would be like?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1694">28:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1694" data-t="1694">No. I think that's happening. I think the old</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1696" data-t="1696">the old boomers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1698" data-t="1698">are being</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1700" data-t="1700">replaced, especially</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1702" data-t="1702">in the GOP</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1703" data-t="1703">with millennials</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1705">28:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1705" data-t="1705">who are,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1707" data-t="1707">they're tech savvy, they know how to transact adversarially, they listen to Bitcoin podcasts, like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1713" data-t="1713">they're very chauvinistic. They're very proud to pay their taxes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1716" data-t="1716">They're very proud to be patriotic and be a part of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1721" data-t="1721">you know, like Jason Lowry said, like, we're, like, having the strongest,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1725" data-t="1725">you know, or the most hash rate being able to win the hash wars</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1730">28:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1730" data-t="1730">in, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1731" data-t="1731">we're making America. We're fixing politics with with Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1735" data-t="1735">I think we're gonna replace, you know, with all typical politicians, like you said, with exactly what I'm talking about or what you're talking about, which is American HODL,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1744" data-t="1744">you know, Shane</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1746" data-t="1746">Hazel,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1747" data-t="1747">some of these, like, these political guys who</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1751">29:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1751" data-t="1751">it's a totally different Republican party. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1755">29:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1755" data-t="1755">I think it's it's interesting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1757" data-t="1757">because,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1759" data-t="1759">you know, Trump is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1761" data-t="1761">appointing people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1763" data-t="1763">to his administration</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1765" data-t="1765">that,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1766">29:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1766" data-t="1766">you know, are much more aligned with Bitcoin, but I wanna go as far as to call a lot of them Bitcoiners.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1773" data-t="1773">Now you came up with your dream,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1776" data-t="1776">cabinet.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1779" data-t="1779">You wanna talk about that a little bit?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1781">29:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1781" data-t="1781">Yeah. Yeah. Let me find that. It was,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1784" data-t="1784">you know, this is what I this is what if, you know, Trump's filled out his cabinet with,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1789" data-t="1789">like he said, Bitcoin adjacent. Some of them, they, you know, they love Bitcoin. They they seem to be maximalists.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1795" data-t="1795">But, but my pick, you know, if I was picking, it's like almost like fantasy. It's like my the president obviously, David,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1801" data-t="1801">Dennis Porter,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1803" data-t="1803">the vice president, and I kinda waffled back and forth here, but I went with David Zell from Bitcoin Policy Institute, just because I think if we're gonna have the first, like, totally,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1813">30:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1813" data-t="1813">Bitcoin or,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1814" data-t="1814">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1815" data-t="1815">White House, like, we want somebody there with some experience. So David Zell's, you know, kind of behind David Porter or Dennis Porter,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1822" data-t="1822">and they, you know, that's the executive.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1825" data-t="1825">The secretary of state, nobody knows democracy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1828" data-t="1828">better than Alex Gladstein.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1830">30:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1830" data-t="1830">The secretary of defense, I mean, of course, Preston Pysh, the, the Apache helicopter pilot, you know, he wrote books. He's like, he knows about value stocks. Like, he's, he's like the kind of guy you want measured,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1843" data-t="1843">around the, the secretary of defense.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1846" data-t="1846">I mean, here we go. The treasury secretary, which we can talk about the one who just stepped down,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1852" data-t="1852">but we should replace it with Lynn Alden. It would be great to have the first hot, secretary of the treasury,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1858" data-t="1858">who just understands Macroswell</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1860" data-t="1860">Sonalban,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1861">31:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1861" data-t="1861">attorney general, who other than Joe Carlos are, health and human services, Stephen Mabka. Obviously, he knows, you know, more about health than most physicians.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1871" data-t="1871">The secretary of commerce, who better than full, FOLD CEO, Will Reeds.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1877" data-t="1877">Department of Energy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1878" data-t="1878">Probably the most brilliant,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1881" data-t="1881">most,</span> <span class="cue" data-t="1881">knowledgeable person about, Bitcoin mining is Harry Sedick. Veterans Affairs,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1887">31:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1887" data-t="1887">and other than, Bitcoin veterans, Michael Bart, the press secretary,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1892" data-t="1892">I think Natalie Brunel, would do great.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1895" data-t="1895">Secretary of agriculture</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1897" data-t="1897">could be Ben Justman. He's got, you know, he he built a,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1901" data-t="1901">a winery in Colorado,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1903" data-t="1903">which</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1904">31:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1904" data-t="1904">people said was crazy, but, he, you know, he's made he's selling it for Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1908" data-t="1908">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1910" data-t="1910">chairman of the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1911" data-t="1911">FDIC,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1912" data-t="1912">the, Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1915" data-t="1915">who other than,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1918">31:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1918" data-t="1918">Lloyds cover holder,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1920" data-t="1920">and the cofounder of AnchorWatch,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1922" data-t="1922">Rob Hamilton. Corey. I think I added to it that, the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1926" data-t="1926">the chief of staff would be great for predator. That is an impressive</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1932">32:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1932" data-t="1932">administration</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1933" data-t="1933">to say the least. And I I I imagine our listeners</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1938" data-t="1938">like, I I imagine even if Darth Coin's listening, he's feeling a little</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1943" data-t="1943">bit of status come out in him. And he's like, wow.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1947" data-t="1947">If this was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1948" data-t="1948">our</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1950">32:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1950" data-t="1950">government, it might actually work. Yeah. It's like, you know, this is our best shot. You know?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1955" data-t="1955">This is if if any team could do it, it would be those guys.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1960">32:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1960" data-t="1960">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1961" data-t="1961">I mean, I I think it's really important, you know, for Bitcoiners under to understand. We need we need to continue to push the envelope. And just because we got a few things that we wanted,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1970" data-t="1970">it doesn't mean that that's where we stop. Like, we have to learn</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1974" data-t="1974">from,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1976" data-t="1976">the communist that this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1978" data-t="1978">this idea of incrementalism.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1980">33:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1980" data-t="1980">You know what I mean? Right. Where we just continue to to inch. Right. We we continue</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1985">33:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1985" data-t="1985">to to push America to be more based. Right. And this is exactly what people mean by gradually then suddenly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1992" data-t="1992">There's gotta be a lot of gradually</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1995" data-t="1995">and I it it sometimes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1997" data-t="1997">you have to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1998" data-t="1998">you have to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2000" data-t="2000">just</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2001">33:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2001" data-t="2001">be on</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2003" data-t="2003">and trust democracy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2005" data-t="2005">for the gradually part and then you get to the suddenly and then it's like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2010" data-t="2010">everything's fixed.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2012">33:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2012" data-t="2012">Yeah. I mean, when when David Bailey</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2015" data-t="2015">or Dennis Porter or Grant McCarthy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2018" data-t="2018">or David Zell, you know, these individuals, these political figures,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2022" data-t="2022">these political orange pillars,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2025" data-t="2025">Samson Mao, I'm sure, is like this too. You know, when they walk into a politician's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2029" data-t="2029">office and they start having the conversation, they don't lead with, you should listen to forty hours of Big Web podcast a week.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2036">33:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2036" data-t="2036">They they start with, you should listen to one.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2039" data-t="2039">And then,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2040" data-t="2040">you know, after their first Lin Alden</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2043" data-t="2043">podcast, you know, when their mind's blown and they're like, wow, I know so much more about macro than I ever did before.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2049" data-t="2049">This is like a 100 times better than a college degree.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2053" data-t="2053">Then, you know, that individual, you know, Samson or whoever will say,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2057">34:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2057" data-t="2057">well, why don't you try two hours a week?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2060" data-t="2060">And they just step it up. And then, you know, next thing you know, the politicians listening to forty hours Bitcoin podcast a week, they're attending their local meetup,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2069" data-t="2069">and,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2070">34:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2070" data-t="2070">they're running their own Umbrel mode. And look what happened to Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz is running bid access in his basement. He sat at a at a recent</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2077" data-t="2077">political rally. So it's like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2080" data-t="2080">you start to look around and it's like, next thing you know, they'll you're gonna send lobbyists</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2085" data-t="2085">to Washington, DC,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2087" data-t="2087">and they're gonna be trying to orange pill the politicians. And the next thing you know, the the politicians will be the ones trying to orange pill vote. They're gonna be the politicians are gonna be all over Washington, DC looking for anybody who wants to to be orange pill or that needs to be orange pill. And that's when you'll know. It's like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2104" data-t="2104">pretty soon the politicians will be trying to orange pill us.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2107">35:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2107" data-t="2107">And once you once, you know, once you see the the politicians trying to orange pill their constituents,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2112" data-t="2112">that's how you know that hyper Bitcoinization,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2115" data-t="2115">and Bitcoin standard is here. Like, that's when you you don't even have to you send your kids to school and teachers are trying to orange pill your kids.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2123" data-t="2123">The the the curriculum itself, like, the school system is trying to orange peel your kids. Like, that's what we're trying to that's what we're trying to build here. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2132">35:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2132" data-t="2132">I I look forward to the protest, you know, when parents, like, try and prevent their kids from being,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2139" data-t="2139">taught about Bitcoin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2141">35:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2141" data-t="2141">I think that's a lot. Yeah. I mean, I've already seen it. People are saying they don't want their first grader to to, you know, know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2148" data-t="2148">their teachers' financial</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2150" data-t="2150">positions. Right? But it's like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2152" data-t="2152">no. Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2153" data-t="2153">first kids need to be orange pilled by public schools.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2157" data-t="2157">They're going to be.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2158">35:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2158" data-t="2158">I'm sure there's gonna be a lot of parents that are, you know, upset</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2161" data-t="2161">about what their kids are learning like. You know, they're they're gonna believe that Bitcoin should be awesome</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2167" data-t="2167">and they're not gonna want their kids learning about all caps.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2171">36:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2171" data-t="2171">What do you think about, like like, you know, what's once the CIA</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2175" data-t="2175">is trying to orange pill people through Hollywood,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2178" data-t="2178">like, that's gonna be</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2179">36:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2179" data-t="2179">the movies are gonna be crazy. Yeah. It's been interesting because the the movies have been surprisingly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2185" data-t="2185">for for as as important as Bitcoin is, it hasn't really gotten featured in any</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2192" data-t="2192">a whole lot of pop media.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2194">36:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2194" data-t="2194">Yeah. And Well, Troy, let's see why. Kendrick Lamar, the most popular rapper, he just put out a,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2202" data-t="2202">a new album on Friday, and it's apparently a banger if you're like that music. In the very first song, he talks about Bitcoin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2209">36:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2209" data-t="2209">Is it on Wave Lake?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2211">36:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2211" data-t="2211">It</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2212" data-t="2212">I have to check. It's definitely not on the charts. It'd be pretty interesting</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2216">36:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2216" data-t="2216">if an artist like that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2218" data-t="2218">did their debut song on or sorry, not debut song, but debut Bitcoin song on Wave Lake.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2224" data-t="2224">Okay. So Kendrick Lamar</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2226" data-t="2226">is talking about Bitcoin. I mean, okay. So, like, I I kinda wanna I I think it's helpful for people if we run through the context of bullish,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2235" data-t="2235">situations. So they're looking at a big sell wall right now. They're waking up. They, you know, Monday morning, they're looking at</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2241" data-t="2241">this giant cell wall of of Bitcoin trying to break through a 100 k.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2247">37:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2247" data-t="2247">They they might be,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2249" data-t="2249">you know, looking at the CIA ran news, you know, seeing all these things about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2253" data-t="2253">war and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2255" data-t="2255">you know, potential bearish,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2257" data-t="2257">news headlines.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2259" data-t="2259">I I think we need to run through some of the most bullish,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2264">37:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2264" data-t="2264">ones and or, like, scenarios. So there's there's Trump in the White House.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2269" data-t="2269">There's Kendrick Lamar did a song that that talks about Bitcoin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2273">37:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2273" data-t="2273">Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2276">37:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2276" data-t="2276">Marty Bent says this time is different. That's pretty bullish.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2280">38:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2280" data-t="2280">Yeah. David Bailey said that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2284" data-t="2284">Hong Kong might be doing a strategic reserve.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2287" data-t="2287">The, Dennis Porter has,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2289" data-t="2289">Texas, Florida, Pennsylvania,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2291" data-t="2291">and Wyoming</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2293" data-t="2293">introducing bills</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2295">38:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2295" data-t="2295">to create a Bitcoin strategic reserve.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2298" data-t="2298">The,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2299" data-t="2299">one of the candidates for president of Suriname in South America</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2303" data-t="2303">says that she will bring a Bitcoin standard to Suriname.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2308" data-t="2308">One of the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2310" data-t="2310">one of the</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2311">38:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2311" data-t="2311">the presidential primary</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2313" data-t="2313">candidates for president in Poland.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2317" data-t="2317">He's apparently been listening to Bitcoin podcasts. He's trying to bring Bitcoin to Poland.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2322" data-t="2322">The</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2323" data-t="2323">former, you know, it's a he he's the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2327" data-t="2327">hereditary</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2329">38:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2329" data-t="2329">prince of Serbia.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2331" data-t="2331">His the the the monarchy ended in the 1940s,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2334" data-t="2334">but he, you know, he is still part of that old aristocratic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2338" data-t="2338">family in Serbia.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2340" data-t="2340">He obviously listens to forty hours of Bitcoin podcast per week. If you ever get to hear him, he was just on Walker,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2346" data-t="2346">his podcast.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2348">39:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2348" data-t="2348">So the prince of Serbia is listening to Bitcoin podcast. I mean, it's</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2352">39:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2352" data-t="2352">everywhere. Trying to think of</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2355">39:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2355" data-t="2355">some of my most bullish,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2358" data-t="2358">Microsoft,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2359" data-t="2359">their, board of executives</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2361" data-t="2361">is, like, gonna listen to Michael Saylor try to orange peel down about starting, their own strategic reserve. Yeah. I think</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2369">39:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2369" data-t="2369">well, I just was scrolling through my my Twitter to look at my post.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2373" data-t="2373">I think, like, one of those bullish things is is just NFI players are talking about it too.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2381" data-t="2381">Oh,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2382" data-t="2382">yeah. That's that's pretty cool. But the the USDT price</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2388" data-t="2388">is part of the reason why I'm bullish. It's just because the price keeps on going up. And, like, the price is the signal.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2395">39:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2395" data-t="2395">It's about it's about time that the the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2397" data-t="2397">Bitcoin price, like, APIs and, like, apps</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2401" data-t="2401">showed it in USDT,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2403" data-t="2403">all of them. Like, that should be the standard.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2406">40:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2406" data-t="2406">Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2407">40:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2407" data-t="2407">I think If I Google it, it should be the USDT price. It should say 98,205</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2413" data-t="2413">USDT.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2415">40:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2415" data-t="2415">I I think we're gonna see, like, some pretty significant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2418" data-t="2418">economic growth over the next few years. And and the reason why</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2423" data-t="2423">is because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2424" data-t="2424">Bitcoin companies are gonna be making more money,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2427" data-t="2427">and so they're gonna be able to sponsor Bitcoin conferences more.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2431" data-t="2431">They're gonna be able to sponsor Bitcoin podcasters more. There's gonna be more Bitcoin podcasters because as the price goes up, there's more demand for Bitcoin podcasts.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2443">40:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2443" data-t="2443">They're gonna receive boost. They're gonna go and buy nicer podcast equipment.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2447" data-t="2447">The people listening to the podcast are gonna get rich. And so what they're gonna do is they're gonna buy nicer headphones to listen to the podcast with.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2456" data-t="2456">And all of that is just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2458" data-t="2458">money flowing into the economy, into supply chains because to ship those headphones from China</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2465" data-t="2465">to The US or wherever they're made, maybe they'll be made US made high quality headphones at this point,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2472" data-t="2472">which would be very bullish for the</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2474">41:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2474" data-t="2474">American economy.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2477">41:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2477" data-t="2477">Yeah. Trump said he wants Bitcoin podcasts made in America.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2481" data-t="2481">So Yeah. That means he wants Bitcoin podcast equipment made in America. That's how I translate or interpret that.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2488">41:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2488" data-t="2488">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2489" data-t="2489">I mean, we cannot let China dominate the the the Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2493" data-t="2493">podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2497" data-t="2497">gear landscape.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2499" data-t="2499">Like, Americans</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2500" data-t="2500">need to be manufacturing</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2502">41:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2502" data-t="2502">their own mics</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2503" data-t="2503">and their own headphones.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2505">41:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2505" data-t="2505">Yeah. You can't be you can't be a country that has its own it's sovereign in its Bitcoin podcasting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2511" data-t="2511">if you can't make its own podcast equipment. I mean, honestly, there should be like, if there's a seed signer out there</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2518" data-t="2518">for build building your own and using your own open source hardware</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2522" data-t="2522">to make your own podcasting equipment,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2525" data-t="2525">that is the number one way to be a sovereign podcaster.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2528">42:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2528" data-t="2528">Yeah. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2530" data-t="2530">this would be something kinda interesting to to kinda coincide with the bid acts. So I don't I don't know how much we've talked about the bid acts on this show, but, you know, every PodCom show has talked about the bid acts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2542" data-t="2542">And essentially, this,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2544" data-t="2544">open source miner mining device. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2548" data-t="2548">I I could see a very similar project</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2553" data-t="2553">come along for for podcast here. And, you know, we've seen a lot of,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2557">42:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2557" data-t="2557">we've seen a lot of emphasis on,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2563" data-t="2563">you know, open source development</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2565" data-t="2565">in terms of software, but not as much on on the hardware side. So there's ways to open source podcasts. You know? Like, there's things like Jitsi. There's things like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2575" data-t="2575">all sorts of stuff, but we need to see it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2578" data-t="2578">on</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2580" data-t="2580">open source microphone. So, yeah, SeedSigner,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2583">43:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2583" data-t="2583">BIDX, you know, projects like that would be pretty cool.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2586" data-t="2586">Yeah. Anyways,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2588" data-t="2588">I think we should transition to the boost.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2591" data-t="2591">Before we get into that, I did I did wanna say, you know, there's a music video floating around. I'm sure by the time you listen to this, you already saw the music video. But, it is the Marty Bent,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2603" data-t="2603">says this time is different music video, and, go check it out. I'll have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2610" data-t="2610">it posted around all over the place on Stacker News. I I forgot what the platform is that you host videos on on Nasr, but I'll,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2619">43:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2619" data-t="2619">I'll have it on there, once I figure that out.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2622" data-t="2622">I I just need Darthcoin to to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2624" data-t="2624">instead of me answering my question, he'll send me a guide,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2628" data-t="2628">that he already wrote. So instead of me</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2630" data-t="2630">going to Darth Coin's guides, I message Darth Coin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2634" data-t="2634">and then he messages me his guide. It's kinda it's kinda like I'm using him as a search index of his website.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2641">44:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2641" data-t="2641">And when I figured that out,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2645" data-t="2645">I'll have it posted</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2647" data-t="2647">on Oscar.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2648" data-t="2648">But, yeah,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2649" data-t="2649">our first boost</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2651" data-t="2651">of</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2653">44:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2653" data-t="2653">last episodes the last episode was titled, this is the bull market.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2657" data-t="2657">Our first boost,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2659" data-t="2659">per usual,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2660" data-t="2660">is for miss HODL net 04/20.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2663" data-t="2663">Man, you you can't get rid of her, can you, Ron?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2667">44:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2667" data-t="2667">No, Ted. Apparently, not. The podcast groupies are the hardest to get rid of. Well, this is one of the things that's pretty easy or interesting about</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2678">44:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2678" data-t="2678">found in in general in in this boosting thing is that if if there's somebody that's annoying, their comment's still gonna show up there. I guess we have a choice on whether we're gonna read it or not. Right. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2690" data-t="2690">she says,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2691" data-t="2691">I'm so bullish. Mass adoption's here. I'm going to sleep with Dennis this cycle.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2696">44:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2696" data-t="2696">Yeah. You know, that's kinda crazy, but I actually hope she succeeds because it would be really awesome</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2702" data-t="2702">to be an Eskimo brother</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2704" data-t="2704">with Dennis Porter. How many people get to say they they're Eskimo brothers with Dennis Porter? Well, you and, mister, we all eat wood.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2714">45:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2714" data-t="2714">So, you know, imagine this theoretical</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2718" data-t="2718">circumstance, which, you know, once once Bitcoin is fully adopted</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2722" data-t="2722">and and hyper Bitcoinized,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2725" data-t="2725">the world is hyper Bitcoinized,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2727" data-t="2727">you know, Dennis will have to figure out a new thing to crusade for. Right? Because he'll have accomplished his goal.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2734" data-t="2734">I think one of the most dangerous</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2736">45:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2736" data-t="2736">circumstances</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2737" data-t="2737">is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2738" data-t="2738">imagine Dennis</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2740" data-t="2740">legalizes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2741" data-t="2741">polygamy. How many people's wives</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2745" data-t="2745">he would steal?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2746">45:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2746" data-t="2746">And how many women he would be able to orange pill? That's why you have to have checks and balances</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2751">45:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2751" data-t="2751">in the government to prevent that site you know, that type of authoritarian I I don't think Dennis has the authoritarian</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2757" data-t="2757">in him,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2759" data-t="2759">but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2760" data-t="2760">you know, it's it's like, I think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2763" data-t="2763">Svetsky said, it's like it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2766" data-t="2766">a dangerous man is not a harmless man.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2769">46:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2769" data-t="2769">A dangerous man or a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2771" data-t="2771">good man is like a very</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2774" data-t="2774">dangerous man who has the discipline to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2778" data-t="2778">keep it all inside and not and not lash out. And, like, Dennis Porter is that person.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2783" data-t="2783">He's got the power, but he's got the the ability</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2787" data-t="2787">to put his put checks and balances on it because he's he understands democracy. He cares about it so much.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2794">46:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2794" data-t="2794">He's he's gonna have some sort of kryptonite. And if it's not power, you know so, like, people say absolute power corrupts absolutely.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2801">46:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2801" data-t="2801">But, like, you know, it's fixes this.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2803">46:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2803" data-t="2803">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2805" data-t="2805">An or an orange pill podcast listener</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2808" data-t="2808">is essentially immune of being corrupted by power</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2812" data-t="2812">because they're so based.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2814" data-t="2814">Right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2815" data-t="2815">Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2816">46:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2816" data-t="2816">Well, anyways, before we go off on a whole another, you know, podcast episode,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2822" data-t="2822">Thank you for your base, miss Huddlenut. Four twenty.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2825" data-t="2825">Keep them coming. We'll take your money</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2828" data-t="2828">even if Rod doesn't think you're hot. Kinda looks like Danny Yellen.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2831">47:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2831" data-t="2831">We all eat,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2833" data-t="2833">one of our favorite,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2835" data-t="2835">our favorite fans, Base has 10,021</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2838" data-t="2838">stats. Linda is so hot.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2840" data-t="2840">Sigi sat parody.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2842" data-t="2842">Cockskill war.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2844">47:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2844" data-t="2844">Oh.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2845" data-t="2845">Hell yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2846" data-t="2846">Hell yeah, she's hot. I'm glad that we all eat the greatest of that one.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2851" data-t="2851">I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2852" data-t="2852">Lynn is, like, such a professional</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2855" data-t="2855">consonant professional macro Bitcoiner.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2857">47:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2857" data-t="2857">I don't know if her</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2859" data-t="2859">and and, We All Eat would ever, like, really get along. If they hung out in real life, I think he'd probably be too drunk, but</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2867">47:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2867" data-t="2867">I know he tries. He he'd shoot his shot. That'd be an interesting interaction to watch, to say the least.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2873" data-t="2873">I'd like to see Lyn Alden talking to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2876" data-t="2876">We all eat.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2879" data-t="2879">I I don't know what that means. Is that the name of the bowling team?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2883" data-t="2883">Maybe he's referring to, you know, people are generally kinda moving towards compliance,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2889" data-t="2889">now that the price is going up, like, in their guys in office.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2894">48:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2894" data-t="2894">Maybe that's what he means.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2897" data-t="2897">I wanna call it Cox. I'd I'd just call it winning. You know what I mean? Right. Like, you you can comply for winning. You only don't comply if you're losing. I think that's one of the the lessons, like, you know. For sure. There's, like, people out there like Larkin Rose that, like, believe in this idea of, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2912" data-t="2912">principles. But, you know, the reality is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2915" data-t="2915">principles only matter when you're losing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2918" data-t="2918">Right. Because then you can point to the other person and say, hey. You're not following principle.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2922" data-t="2922">Right.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2923">48:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2923" data-t="2923">That's what I'm saying. It's it's that's like the people who are saying, like, they're mad at MicroStrategy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2928" data-t="2928">investors.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2930" data-t="2930">It's because they're losing. They're getting outperformed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2933" data-t="2933">on the free and open markets</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2935" data-t="2935">by, sailors' stock</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2937" data-t="2937">instead of</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2939">48:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2939" data-t="2939">just holding Bitcoin in cold storage.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2941" data-t="2941">So, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2943" data-t="2943">you're resorting to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2944" data-t="2944">spouting principles.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2946" data-t="2946">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2947" data-t="2947">that's just one thing you have to remember is if you if somebody is, you know, buying MicroStrategy</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2953">49:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2953" data-t="2953">stocks and and very proud of all the profits they're making,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2958" data-t="2958">A Bitcoin podcast about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2961" data-t="2961">principles</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2962" data-t="2962">is just not gonna it's not gonna catch their attention.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2965">49:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2965" data-t="2965">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2966" data-t="2966">And I I I think there's, like, you know, there's multiple lessons to learn from this situation. Like, first of all, I wanna</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2973" data-t="2973">say, like, you know, this concept of, you know, only complying when you're winning</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2978" data-t="2978">is foundational</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2979" data-t="2979">in journalism school.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2981" data-t="2981">They they teach you this. Like, this is journalism one zero one, and your first</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2985">49:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2985" data-t="2985">couple lessons, this is what you learn.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2989" data-t="2989">But I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2990" data-t="2990">this is kind of a controversial take, but I think the reason why MicroStrategy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2994" data-t="2994">stock is going up so much</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2996" data-t="2996">is because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2998" data-t="2998">Michael Saylor went on so many Bitcoin podcasts, not necessarily because they bought so much Bitcoin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3004">50:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3004" data-t="3004">Interesting. So you'll have to go on the Bitcoin podcast to keep the momentum up.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3009">50:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3009" data-t="3009">Like, what what other,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3012" data-t="3012">well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3014" data-t="3014">maybe he doesn't because the Sailor series is so prolific. It will continue to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3019" data-t="3019">you know, be be solidified</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3022" data-t="3022">in time. And, like, more and more people are gonna go back and listen to that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3026" data-t="3026">the more that MicroStrategy</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3028">50:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3028" data-t="3028">stock goes up. He's so he's kinda, like, planted his flag. Like, he's been doing proof of work. He set his base. And all these other company CEOs need to figure out how can they go on all the Bitcoin podcasts,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3039" data-t="3039">like, as soon as possible. And I just don't think they're gonna be able to to catch him or or compete.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3044" data-t="3044">Yeah. He's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3046" data-t="3046">he's gonna be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3048" data-t="3048">significantly,</span> <span class="cue" data-t="3048">you know, more attractive to invite</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3051">50:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3051" data-t="3051">to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3052" data-t="3052">different Podkoff events</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3054" data-t="3054">and conferences and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3056" data-t="3056">and stuff like that because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3058" data-t="3058">he's been he's like the OG. You know what I mean? Right. Like, you know, Adam Back's not that interesting to listen to, but he gets invited everywhere. And everybody wants to hear him talk even though he's really boring. But, yeah, then thank you thank you We All Eat for the boost. Really appreciate it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3073" data-t="3073">Our next boost is from Orange Bart for 5,000 sats. Orange Bart says, listen to podcasts without boosting is stealing, and it's against the law.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3082">51:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3082" data-t="3082">Yes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3084" data-t="3084">Comply comply with the law. Now that we're winning, you actually have to comply. Like, I know a lot of people were pirating podcasts because they felt like we were losing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3093" data-t="3093">But now that we're winning, you have to follow the law, and you have to boost the show. That's right. That's right.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3099">51:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3099" data-t="3099">This is the time to pay your taxes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3103" data-t="3103">The next news is from Matt1001Sats</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3106" data-t="3106">Damn it!</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3107" data-t="3107">My name when read out loud sounds</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3109" data-t="3109">like a shitty token.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3112">51:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3112" data-t="3112">What? What's his FOMO?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3114">51:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3114" data-t="3114">Okay, so yeah, I must be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3117" data-t="3117">seeing his</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3119" data-t="3119">oh, his nostril name?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3121" data-t="3121">I think we see different names sometimes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3124" data-t="3124">Yeah. That does sound like a ChickCoin name.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3127">52:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3127" data-t="3127">His his nostril name is Matt. His handle is Fomatronic.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3132" data-t="3132">Okay. I'm listening. I think it's if you're if you're logged in to Fountain, you got your nostril</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3138" data-t="3138">connected. You probably see the Nostr name.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3141">52:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3141" data-t="3141">Well, thanks, man. It does sound like for the boost. Does sound like it too.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3145">52:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3145" data-t="3145">I I think this is like I I don't know. There's there's other people out there that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3151" data-t="3151">like, CryptoCloaks,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3152" data-t="3152">you know, for example.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3154" data-t="3154">Kinda sounds like some sort of shitcoin, but it's not.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3158" data-t="3158">I I'm trying to think. There there there's Paul Stork. He's got some sort of shitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3163" data-t="3163">name in it, his handle, but he actually might be a shitcoiner.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3168">52:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3168" data-t="3168">He's a people.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3169" data-t="3169">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3171" data-t="3171">Crypto anarchism.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3173" data-t="3173">But what which</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3175" data-t="3175">I think, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3177" data-t="3177">this is a problem with the shitcoiners, you know, as they take cool concepts like cryptography</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3181">53:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3181" data-t="3181">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3184" data-t="3184">make them uncool by, like, trying to, like, cool off them. Yeah. Yeah. Because, like, you know, when you think of crypto, like, you know, you could think of, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3194" data-t="3194">the early Cypherpunks.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3196" data-t="3196">Right. Or you could think of Tron.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3199">53:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3199" data-t="3199">Right.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3201">53:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3201" data-t="3201">Or Doge. Doge these days is actually pretty cool. I I don't think you can shit on meme coins. But, like, you know, when you meme coins are cool, but XRP isn't.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3211">53:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3211" data-t="3211">Right. That's a good point. That's a good point.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3213">53:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3213" data-t="3213">Like, you're you're still a shit coiner if you're a meme pointer.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3216" data-t="3216">But you're a cool shitcoiner. Like, and there's different, like You're funny. You're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3221" data-t="3221">you're not a cool shitcoiner if you're, like, into</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3224" data-t="3224">Bitcoin SV or or XRP.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3228" data-t="3228">So there's definitely, like, the you know, like, a lot of people come to the space. They're they're definitely gonna shitcoin, and they kinda have to go through the same process of figuring out</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3237" data-t="3237">which are the coolest shitcoins. Like,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3239">53:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3239" data-t="3239">the coolest shitcoin</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3241">54:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3241" data-t="3241">to use is Mirror. Of course. Of course.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3246" data-t="3246">You could pretty much get away with that one People are like, this guy,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3250" data-t="3250">he's fucking</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3251" data-t="3251">shady</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3252">54:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3252" data-t="3252">Well, one of the re like, you don't even need to tell anybody that you're using Monero This is one of the reasons why it's the cool shit coin is because people won't even know you're using it You know what I mean? That's true. Exactly. Yeah. Like, some people wanna give us boost in the narrow. It's, like, fine, but we're not reading your boost. That's not</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3270">54:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3270" data-t="3270">that doesn't go with the ethos of privacy.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3272">54:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3272" data-t="3272">Like, you you wanna go to the meetup,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3275" data-t="3275">the Bitcoin meetup,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3277" data-t="3277">but you wanna shitcoin, but you don't want the people at the Bitcoin meetup to make fun of you for shitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3282" data-t="3282">You should use Monero, and they'll never have any idea. Right. Right. Thanks for your Shadrach.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3287" data-t="3287">Shadrach for 939</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3288" data-t="3288">sats,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3289">54:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3289" data-t="3289">double boosted, two different comments.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3292" data-t="3292">Someone needs to make a pod</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3294" data-t="3294">podometer which permanently records your podcast listening hours</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3298" data-t="3298">to the blockchain.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3300" data-t="3300">Community note,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3301" data-t="3301">Smokesat parody is a 100.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3304">55:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3304" data-t="3304">False.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3305" data-t="3305">Incorrect.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3306" data-t="3306">Buster.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3307" data-t="3307">Trying to fact check me.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3310" data-t="3310">The one x key on your typewriter will convert the Bitcoin price to sats</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3316" data-t="3316">slash Trump token</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3318">55:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3318" data-t="3318">and vice versa.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3319" data-t="3319">Well, that's interesting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3322" data-t="3322">No. Actually, it's not a 100 k. We hit SATS cigarette</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3327" data-t="3327">parity before a 100 k.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3331" data-t="3331">We're pretty close to it right now. So so Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3334" data-t="3334">at the time we're recording, is 98,218</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3339">55:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3339" data-t="3339">USTT per coin according to Stacker News.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3343" data-t="3343">And we're about 18 sets off from</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3348" data-t="3348">cigarette sat parity. So I I just wanted to say</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3351" data-t="3351">Shadrach,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3352" data-t="3352">unless there's something wrong with Stacker News' math. You are incorrect. It's not a 102.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3358">55:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3358" data-t="3358">Well, let's say, yo, thank you for the boost, Shadrach. You don't have credentials,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3362" data-t="3362">so</span> <span class="cue" data-t="3362">don't take you know, didn't get this one right. Don't take it personally. Is it you you were close. You were close. That that's important.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3371">56:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3371" data-t="3371">Chat I just wanna say real quick.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3373" data-t="3373">I don't wanna leave this on a bad note with Shadrach. Shadrach's out there doing some cool stuff right now, traveling around, seeing things,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3381" data-t="3381">living in a pretty interesting life. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3384" data-t="3384">I'm actually a little bit jealous of Shadrach</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3388" data-t="3388">right now.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3389">56:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3389" data-t="3389">Hell yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3391" data-t="3391">Next one is from our boy Pies.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3393" data-t="3393">He's got two, one for four twenty sass. Let's fucking go. LFG,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3399" data-t="3399">rocket to the then his next one is for the 100 sats.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3404" data-t="3404">Cheers.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3406" data-t="3406">Two mugs of beer and then five cigarette amejis.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3409">56:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3409" data-t="3409">Pies is real. Well, speaking of Shadrach's Pot O Meter, you know, I think what like, I think that one of the coolest features that Fountain could do is just like a a boost leaderboard.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3421">57:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3421" data-t="3421">Oh, yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3422">57:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3422" data-t="3422">So you get, like, who who are the weekly biggest boosters and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3426" data-t="3426">and some metrics on that. And and that essentially like, if you rank on that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3432" data-t="3432">you you truly are the lead of the lead</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3435" data-t="3435">when it comes to podcast listeners.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3438" data-t="3438">And I I have a feeling that Pies to Plop would be up there because Pies I'd say so too.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3443" data-t="3443">If you listen to any of these other intellectual Silk Road</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3449">57:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3449" data-t="3449">podcasts,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3450">57:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3450" data-t="3450">Pies is, like, on everyone. Yeah. He is. I I see him all the time.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3454">57:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3454" data-t="3454">But, yeah, we have a few Nostra posts.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3458">57:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3458" data-t="3458">Yeah. One more of 300 subs from,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3460" data-t="3460">BTC onboard,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3462" data-t="3462">two lightning</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3464">57:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3464" data-t="3464">emojis. Where do you see that one? I don't oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3467" data-t="3467">Hashtag l enhance or hashtag CTV. So this person doesn't care. They just want one or the other. They want they want software. He just wants a software. He'll he'll take any software that you can give him.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3479" data-t="3479">B BTC board onboard definitely would have voted</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3483">58:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3483" data-t="3483">for a ball because they want a change. Right. Right. He's like he's like, listen. I I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3488" data-t="3488">I don't wanna ossify.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3490" data-t="3490">I don't even need for you to explain me what your software proposal is. I'll activate it. I want change.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3496">58:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3496" data-t="3496">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3497" data-t="3497">Yeah. I don't care if the change is positive or negative. It just we know it needs to change. It's like all the people that,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3504">58:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3504" data-t="3504">people that they wanted to do Taproot. They didn't know what Taproot was. They were just like, that sounds kinda badass.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3510" data-t="3510">I like that band Taproot</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3512" data-t="3512">in 2002.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3513">58:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3513" data-t="3513">Have you yet to use Taproot,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3516" data-t="3516">Amy?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3517">58:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3517" data-t="3517">I know. I,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3519" data-t="3519">I I fucked around with some ordinals</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3522" data-t="3522">back in the day.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3524" data-t="3524">Made some shitty ordinal. I didn't know how to do anything with it after I made it, so</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3528" data-t="3528">it just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3529" data-t="3529">I made, like, 4 ERC twenties.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3532">58:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3532" data-t="3532">Like, it's, like, the minted four tokens. It cost me, like, $12.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3535">58:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3535" data-t="3535">Well, I I think we weren't we sold on this idea that Taproot was gonna, like, allow for, like, opening more private lightning channels?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3544">59:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3544" data-t="3544">Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's what, well, the only people that did it was,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3548" data-t="3548">Taproot,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3550" data-t="3550">Labs, and they just made</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3552" data-t="3552">USDT,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3555" data-t="3555">stablecoins on lightning.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3557" data-t="3557">But they're I think they're private. They probably sought to KYC, so probably not.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3561">59:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3561" data-t="3561">Yeah. Well, that's like the that's like one of the problems when I see, you know, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3566" data-t="3566">hard work or, like, fork proposals. It's like, you know, when the context is changes, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3572" data-t="3572">you know, you you get sold on an idea</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3575" data-t="3575">and then</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3576" data-t="3576">something else entirely. It it's kinda like a mystery. But why why don't they just There's it's unintended</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3582">59:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3582" data-t="3582">consequences.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3583">59:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3583" data-t="3583">Well, what what what these</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3586" data-t="3586">what these,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3588" data-t="3588">developers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3589" data-t="3589">need to do when they're trying to sell their their fork proposal is instead of, like, giving</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3594" data-t="3594">solid</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3596" data-t="3596">arguments as to what it is, they just need to say, hey. I came up with this proposal, and it's a mystery box. And you'll find out what it is once you implement it. Yeah. Once you activate it, we'll find out what's inside.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3607">1:00:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3607" data-t="3607">Yeah. You ever order one of those, mystery boxes online?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3611">1:00:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3611" data-t="3611">No. I haven't, but I should.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3612" data-t="3612">Sounds fine.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3614">1:00:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3614" data-t="3614">I used to watch,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3616" data-t="3616">videos online of people ordering dark web.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3619" data-t="3619">They they would they would go do, like, non compliant Monero or Bitcoin transactions,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3624" data-t="3624">and then somebody would deliver a box</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3626" data-t="3626">into, like, some weird obscure place, which then they would have to go find and then open it up. And then there'd just be a bunch of weird stuff inside. I feel like that's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3636" data-t="3636">that's what I expect from the developers going forward. We need we need a a little bit more</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3641">1:00:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3641" data-t="3641">of a, a better discussion around these, vertical Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Make make Bitcoin like John McAfee. Like, make it weird again. Like Mhmm. Maybe maybe find a human toe in there. You know what I mean? Like, metaphorically.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3655" data-t="3655">Make it sad for it again.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3657">1:00:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3657" data-t="3657">Before we wrap up, I just wanna say, I feel like the people pushing for,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3663" data-t="3663">Bitcoin development</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3664" data-t="3664">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3665" data-t="3665">and updates on the protocol level, they're kinda like the Democrats. They're the progressives. They wanna see change. They wanna push things forward.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3673" data-t="3673">And and the people pushing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3675" data-t="3675">are actually like the Republicans. They're the conservatives.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3678">1:01:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3678" data-t="3678">They just want to they just want to engineer.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3681">1:01:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3681" data-t="3681">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3682" data-t="3682">Alright. Anyways, well, thank you everyone for tuning in to this edition of the Vehicle Weekly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3688" data-t="3688">Rod, do you have any</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3690" data-t="3690">announcements or announcements of announcements</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3693" data-t="3693">before we, wrap up the show?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3695">1:01:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3695" data-t="3695">No announcements,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3697" data-t="3697">and no announcements of announcements. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3699" data-t="3699">yeah, check out the, the music video tomorrow.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3703" data-t="3703">It's gonna be really good. I've seen the sneak preview,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3707" data-t="3707">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3708" data-t="3708">yeah,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3709">1:01:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3709" data-t="3709">stay bullish.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3711">1:01:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3711" data-t="3711">I I think one announcement of announcement I wanna make is that we will be doing another tournament</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3717" data-t="3717">here relatively soon.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3718">1:01:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Speaker 3</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3718" data-t="3718">Yeah. Yeah. So for that, we're doing a a tournament.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3722" data-t="3722">It's been talked about. If you if you look through our replies, you might be able to find a hint, but, I think you're gonna like it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3728">1:02:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3728" data-t="3728">Maybe maybe on next week's show, we'll announce it. Or maybe we'll announce that we'll be announcing it on the show after that. We'll we'll have to see. But I'm announcing tonight that we're gonna announce</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3739" data-t="3739">at some point in the future</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3741" data-t="3741">that we're doing a tournament</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3743" data-t="3743">before the end of the year.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3745" data-t="3745">Oh, yeah. Alrighty. Well, thanks for tuning in. See</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3748">1:02:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3748" data-t="3748">you. Full of shadows where the truth hides.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3751" data-t="3751">Rod and Dick are the beacons cutting through the lies.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3756" data-t="3756">With a mic and a typewriter, they uncover the steams,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3760" data-t="3760">Bringing light to the darkness, making superior</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3763" data-t="3763">means,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3764" data-t="3764">people weekly</span></span></p> +