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2:02Rod Palmer The bugle is the compass for society that is lost. Okay. So I I think I clicked the record button. I think we're recording. I'm a little bit rusty at this. It's been a long time since I've actually had to produce an episode on my own. Kaylee, has decided to run off with some Manero guy and leave us hanging. I think she was a little bit flustered. We had some discussions about

2:31Rod Palmer our relationship with Podkoff. But yeah. Anyways, hopefully, it doesn't sound that bad. But this episode, we are doing without our smoking hot producer, Kaylee. And, yeah, anyways, welcome to this edition of the Beagle Weekly. This is your cohost, Richard Greaser. And

2:52Rod Palmer I'm I'm pretty stoked. Bitcoin just keeps on hitting all time highs. It was flirting with a 100 k, the past week. We're almost caught up to Canada. It it's gonna be a monumental moment in our nation's history when

3:08Rod Palmer Bitcoin breaches that point. But, yeah, how are you doing today, Ron?

3:14Speaker 3 I'm doing really well. Yeah, to speak to Hailey, I think it's just a phase. I think a lot of people, they they get really upset, about privacy

3:28Speaker 3 and, not being able to scale and not being able to solve for it to have covenants and and, stuff for the, you know, marginalized people to have access to block space. But, you know, she's in her twenties, you know, whatever, like, have fun. It's gonna suck to miss the bull market to be with a bunch of, Monero

3:49Speaker 3 conferences, but, we're hoping to get to back. But other than that, yeah, couldn't be more bullish. We everybody's got, a 100 k watch parties, with the with the price, live price feed right on X or right on Noister.

4:05Speaker 3 Everybody's paying attention. It's awesome. It's it's exciting. We just have to get over that that fucking cell wall. The cell wall is just in our way. What do you think about this damn cell wall?

4:17Rod Palmer Well, you know, there's a lot of people that still don't think Lyn Alden is hot. And we just have to eviscerate them. I know the stack chainers are, you know, they're stacking the hardest. They're working overtime at work in order to have more income to be able to stack.

4:36Rod Palmer They know what moment we're in right now. They know this is the bull market, that this time's different. They've been listening to RHR, Gary Marty, pontificate about, you know, the the differences between this cycle compared to any cycle before.

4:55Rod Palmer And, I I think we'll overcome this. I think, you know, the the market will show that Lennard Olden is hot.

5:03Speaker 3 People people are not people have not been paying this close of attention to Bitcoin and this industry and this culture and our podcast in, in several years. And it's the eyes that there's never been more eyes on it. And by golly, did we just really probably miss Peter McCormick, what Bitcoin did, how many people would be watching that podcast this week? If it went all, then went all there.

5:30Speaker 3 And, and she explained to all these people who were just paying attention for the first time. Like, she explains the definition of hard money. And like, she explains like how they used to clip, you know, the gold off of gold coins and, like, this is her macro thesis. This is, like, this is what the treasury market like, they hear all this stuff and they see that YouTube video and they see how hot she is. Dude, like, they are gonna be smashed buying whether it's into MicroStrategy, the ETF,

6:01Speaker 3 or or Spot Bitcoin, they're gonna be smashed buying. And that's that that sell wall instead of, like, these hedge funds just trying to make some money and sell it a 100 ks. They're going to be tier believers and they'll be part of the buy wall. They'll be part of that that stack, that buy chain on on Twitter.

6:18Rod Palmer Yeah. I I think that wall will get eviscerated and, there's just so much bullish bullish,

6:27Speaker 3 news. It is not even it's not even a real wall. It's a spoof. It's like a it's a sigh up. It is a digital it's like a pseudo spoof. It's like all the likes and and retweets on the on Twitter. It's all a pseudo spoof to make you believe that that's what's popular. People think that selling at a 100 k not thinking that Lin Alden is hot is popular, but it's just it's a pseudo spoof. Yep. And it's not like Dice Wall in Antarctica. It's not a real wall. Like, we you know, it it Shinobi told me privately that we could hard fork around this wall easily, and it would work, but people would probably not wanna do it. But, like,

7:05Speaker 3 they can't stop us.

7:06Rod Palmer Well, there there are I wouldn't necessarily call it a hard fork, but there are people that are actually going around the wall, because they don't wanna go on these these exchange. If you go on to peer to peer exchanges, you're able to buy Bitcoin at a 100 k right now. If you don't wanna wait to buy it at a 100 k, you can go on BISC and and get that exchange rate there. So that's a good point. So

7:34Speaker 3 if you if you actually are not a, you know, just a a larp and you're actually here for the sovereignty, and the peer to peer, the transacting, like,

7:48Speaker 3 those people are already paid a 100 ks. They have already gotten to that side. The other side of the, the big cell wall that I think a lot of people, I think there's a lot of people who came into Bitcoin in the past, you know, since 2020 at least. And they, they've been on zero where they liquidated their, retirement account and took the, you know, the 25% tax penalty

8:13Speaker 3 at the top, and then they put it on BlockFi to get 8% yield on their Bitcoin because they were gonna find they didn't wanna have, a government four zero one ks. They wanted sovereign Bitcoin earning yield on BlockFi. And then that, you know, that went bankrupt, but these people, they took such a big risk because they, they cared about the sovereignty and that got them over. Some of those people have a cell wall. It's like, they've got this point where it's like, I'm gonna sell my Bitcoin at this point.

8:42Speaker 3 But once you get over like that feeling of your own personal cell wall and you realize that Linoleum is hot, there's just nothing but clear skies after after 100 ks, we're already on the other side if you wanna join us. Well,

8:57Rod Palmer you know, speaking of BlockFi, so, you know, if you're people have to be honest with themselves on whether they're high time preference individuals or low time preference individuals. Like, you have to know that about yourselves. Like, so people, they just struggle with being, high time preference individuals. They're just very, like, shortsighted. They they make a pulse of decisions. If you're one of those people,

9:23Rod Palmer maybe you should consider using one of these platforms, whatever the next iteration of Mt. Gox or BlockFi. You you see a company that looks a little bit sketchy, you know, Celsius two point o, maybe there'll be an exchange called Fahrenheit that offers some

9:42Rod Palmer sort of yield or maybe even this is something like buying micro strategy stock of like something. If you're able to identify what's gonna be the next BlockFi, this time around in in this super cycle because the problem is Bitcoin keeps on going up.

10:03Rod Palmer And like a lot of these high time preference people, they'll take profits at some point. They'll sell their whole stacks at a price way lower than what could potentially be achieved. So if the company that they're custodying their funds with goes bankrupt, and even if they get a smaller amount back in the bankruptcy settlement, it's essentially like a forced huddle for maybe ten years. Right. And

10:29Rod Palmer they're gonna be really happy because, you know, in those ten years that, that Bitcoin that they probably would have sold to do some sort of high time preference activity, it's gonna be worth a lot of cigarettes to say the least. Yeah. Totally. And it's like if you if you buy,

10:47Speaker 3 you know, on Robosats or BISK, you are buying the town, but you're buying, you know, higher I mean, you potentially could go on biz, you know, and pay a $105,000 for a Bitcoin. And the Bitcoin may may go down. It may, you know, the bull market top for the cycle may be a 100 k. But you have already lowered your pro your time preference because now it's gonna take even longer for you to be in the profit for even to be able to consider selling. So it's like, you can, it's, it's kinda like taking a cold plunge or, or, doing these other really shocking, like really difficult tasks

11:23Speaker 3 to lower your time preference. And Mhmm. You know, you can do that and and keep your you know, it builds your discipline.

11:31Rod Palmer Yeah. It's like going to a Robert Breedlove Alpha Right. Mail course. Yeah. There's a lot of people out there that are gonna be coming into the space that are new. And I think it's important for them, you know, to kinda get the the lay of the landscape. You and I were having a conversation, the other night, and you were talking about how,

11:54Rod Palmer you know, coming into, like, the the Bitcoin Twitter and the Bitcoin nostril is kinda like coming into a prison yard. You know what I mean? And you gotta be looking around carefully, you know, trying to figure out the lay of the land and identify the threats. And you're gonna wanna be able to get into a meme game right away. Right. Exactly. Exactly. When I came in,

12:20Speaker 3 you get on you get on Bitcoin Twitter and you man, it is the wild west. People are saying the most noncompliant thing, and they're talking to Harvard economists, credentialed journalists, celebrities, they are

12:38Speaker 3 they are just mocking them, being they're ridiculing them and just calling them out for scams. And it's like, holy shit.

12:50Speaker 3 I can't keep up with this. You know, I'm gonna tweet something about, you know, my favorite hardware wallet, and somebody's gonna call me a scammer. Like, I like, I've gotta join a gang. I gotta I need protection. So So you could join, like, the Moscow Meme Tard. You could join, the, this is before triple elite memes. What was it? Moscow Meme Tards? What was the other one? There was, meme factory, fifty eight ks Gang. Some people would just go if they had, like, the same first name, like the Benz, like, they kinda had the lines, but you gotta find one of those.

13:23Speaker 3 And you just gotta start, retweeting each other's memes, and you start to realize, like, hey. You you you can dunk on and you can criticize, and you just you just follow that. You just follow your gang.

13:34Rod Palmer Wonderful. Hate it all. Yeah. Well, really important, thing to know is if you wanna stay out of hot water with, with which hardware wallet you're shilling, just only shill the ones that are giving you sponsorship money. So, like, you know, one of the first things that you should do when you come to space is you should start a Bitcoin podcast.

13:59Rod Palmer And when you start a Bitcoin podcast, you should try and cater a hardware wallet company for being a sponsor. And then when they sponsor you, then you show that one. And then nobody can really, you know, give you too hard of a problem. And then, you know, the the the sponsor kinda gives you some social protection because

14:21Rod Palmer they'll use the other people that they sponsor to back you up and give you credibility. So that that's kinda like, you know, even even with your sponsors that you choose for your podcast is kinda like

14:34Speaker 3 getting a click to protect you. You know what I mean? Right. And it can be kind it can be kind of, controversial to take a sponsorship from, like, an exchange or, like, a Bitcoin company like Swan or Ranther or Relay. But it's, when you take one from a hardware wallet, people know that you

14:54Speaker 3 are pretty legit. Like, hardware wallets are best not like, oh, you know, get 10% off if you buy Bitcoin from the same KYC company as me. It's like you're gonna you're you're saving your Bitcoin in cold storage, with a hardware wallet and they're sponsoring you. Like, you must be, like, a fucking cypherpunk Bitcoin podcaster or influencer. So it just the amount of respect that you'll have having, like, Bitbox or Coldcard or Trezor, like, in your in your quarter,

15:25Speaker 3 it's it's it's really it's priceless, honestly, but it does come with a sponsorship money too. So you actually get paid.

15:32Rod Palmer I feel like it's really important out of inclusivity inclusivity that we name all the other ones. So there's, like, seed signer, which doesn't really do sponsorships, but there's a whole click that you could get, in with, there's foundation. There's Ledger.

15:50Speaker 3 I think Foundation, they used to, Seth for Privacy used to work for them. So Seth for Privacy worked for Foundation. It's pretty cool.

15:59Rod Palmer Yeah. There there's some street cred that you can get. You wanna be aligned with people like Seth Seth for privacy or or Bitcoin q and a because they, you know,

16:09Speaker 3 they're the cool guys on the street. But, Yeah. And you can't go wrong with the Blockstream Jade. I mean, it was Blockstream. It's Adam Back. I mean, Samson.

16:17Rod Palmer Hell yeah. They were they were in the HBO documentary. So do you wanna be, you know, sponsored? There there's, like, kinda different, you know, tiers that you can like, do you wanna be a skater, hang out at the skate park, or do you wanna be, like, a country club snob and hanging out at the country club? You know, you kinda have your choice of of which direction you wanna go. But, yeah, it's, you you can only really have an exchange sponsorship if you combine it with a hardware wallet. Because the problem with having a sponsorship that's just an exchange is that it's not the full step to self custody. You know what I mean? So if you have the exchange by itself,

17:01Rod Palmer it's it people can interpret it as you shilling for people to buy Bitcoin and and hold it custodially on the exchange, which is not it's not cool. It's not popular. You know, I know Fred Krueger is trying to make it cool, but, you know, bragging about his wife being at

17:21Rod Palmer her boyfriend's house all the time is not, like, a good way to to try and be cool on Bitcoin Twitter.

17:29Speaker 3 Absolutely not. Yeah. You definitely have to do the, the the full the full stack. You got to be a full stack, podcast, sponsor. Mhmm. Or you have to have the full stack of podcast sponsors. So you can't you can't just have the the exchange. You've gotta have the hardware wallet, and you have to find a way

17:50Speaker 3 to fucking make build a synergy between those two because people really are going, especially new people. They're really gonna be tribal about where they buy their their Bitcoin, and they're gonna really think that you're you're a bitch or you're a cock if you're buying from somewhere else, and they're gonna feel the same way about their hardware wallet. But if you can build, like, a community around people who buy Bitcoin from Relay straight into their Bitbox, like, it is gonna be it's it's it's gonna be like a European Bitcoin conference. It's gonna

18:24Speaker 3 be probably the pop most popular thing to be a part of at meetups throughout Western Europe.

18:31Rod Palmer Alright. They think about this stack setup. So, like, if you wanna be really cool as a podcaster, you have to have, like, some variation of stamp seed sponsoring you. Yeah. Because paper's not Here's a not good. Here's a really good example.

18:49Speaker 3 This is the best example, I think. Our friends in Canada, if you're a cool Canadian Bitcoiner, you buy your Bitcoin at Bull and you withdraw it to a Gold Card. Like, you go to a a meetup in Toronto, they'll bolt Bitcoin into a cold card, you're gonna be they're gonna be buying you Molesims, the first day you go to a meetup.

19:10Rod Palmer Are are you even allowed to use, like, from a not from a legal perspective, but from a social perspective to buy any other hardware wallet besides a cold card if you're Canadian? I don't know. I I don't I don't think that, I don't think he'd be welcome

19:25Speaker 3 at the Tim Hortons if you, were not using a cold card.

19:29Rod Palmer I I I think at the at the Canadian Bitcoin conference, there's probably people that, like, try and, like, you know, corner people in the alleys, figure out what hardware vault they are and beat them up. It it is kinda like, you know, British, like, soccer hooligans,

19:46Speaker 3 you know, policing. Yeah. Right. Like, you show up to the Canadian Bitcoin conference or you show up to Bitcoin rodeo, and somebody senses that you set a transaction that wasn't air gapped, you're probably not gonna be seen again. Mhmm. Like, this dude's not air gapped. You have to, surround it. We'll kick his ass. Find him out of town, torn feather.

20:07Rod Palmer Yeah. So, like, if you're a Canadian, you're not you don't have a cold card. You should probably keep that to yourself. I I just I I can't believe, like, a country like that, you know, with a president like Trudeau who cares so much about tolerance allows for, like, such intolerant actions. Like, I I feel like, you know,

20:29Rod Palmer you you would be seeing people, like, Canadians going to prison for, you know, tweeting intolerant things about non cold card users. But it seems like they let it fly.

20:40Speaker 3 Anyway, if you if you think about, like, this last four years or so, some of the most respected macro but also, like, a a big fidelity to the the protocol itself. Like, those podcasters, like, the synergy there was, like, river.

21:00Speaker 3 You buy river and you do self custody to, an Unchained

21:06Rod Palmer capital multi signature vault. So I've got a question for you. So, like, I think, you know, as Bitcoin continues to win, we're gonna see, you know, policing of Bitcoin memes online. There's already policing of political memes online in a lot of these countries, a lot of these western democracies Yeah. As Alex Gladstein would say. Yeah. Where there's due process, there's, you know, very

21:30Rod Palmer stringent policing of memes. But I just totally forgot where I was going with that train of thought. Wow. Or it's late Sunday night when we're as we're recording this. It's a bull market. You can't sleep in the bull market. You know what I mean? There's too much news to cover, too much to be done. Right.

21:50Speaker 3 Right. And Difficulty rate is through the roof right now. Yeah.

21:57Rod Palmer I I feel like you, like, age with, you know, these cycles too. Like, you know, the first cycle, you don't sleep at all. But, like, the older you get in Bitcoin years, the more you have to sleep later on. I've never met I've never met somebody with a low a time preference

22:16Speaker 3 equal to that of somebody who bought before 2017. I've never seen somebody with that low a time preference that didn't have gray hair or they were bald.

22:26Rod Palmer Well, imagine if you bought Bitcoin for the first time in 2024 and it's your first cycle. Your first cycle is the super cycle. It's it's that's pretty exciting,

22:38Speaker 3 but it's it's terrifying.

22:40Rod Palmer Yeah. Oh, here here's here was the point that I wanna talk about. So, you know, there's all this policing and memes. Right? The the this is part of just regulatory clarity coming into the space. And, like, the harder that Bitcoin wins, the more the more Bitcoiners need to go to prison for noncompliance of various forms. You know what I mean? Because the the regulatory clarity is part of winning. Right? So how would,

23:08Rod Palmer who's gonna go? Is there gonna be any rhyme or reason to who's going to prison? So I don't know. I mean, it's very it's a very good question. I I think, like,

23:19Speaker 3 Shinobi thinks that you should he basically thinks that you should, like, sacraf like, you should it's like your duty to go to prison. It's your duty to go to jail.

23:27Rod Palmer The the thing that Shinobi doesn't understand is, like, we can't all go to prison. Like, there's not enough spots in prison for us to go to.

23:36Speaker 3 It is. I don't even think they let you listen to Bitcoin podcasts in prison. That's the problem. Yeah. I think that I think that you should I think that all prisoners should have access. I think should be part of the rehabilitation program of our federal prisons and our state prisons,

23:54Speaker 3 to listen to forty hours of Bitcoin podcast per week. And I think that if you did that, I think of the the recidivism, the the, you know, reoffend rate, the the problems in our society would drastically decrease.

24:09Rod Palmer Well, maybe this is this is this could be an initiative that the Beagle starts, which is, you could call it the Orange Cross. You know what I mean? And it's like our job to get materials to prisoners so, like, they have they have care packages. You know, we can get them, like, baklava for Christmas. You know, for manta ray. We could get them copies of StatChain magazine.

24:35Rod Palmer You know, we we could send their kids open dimes and and SaaS cards.

24:40Speaker 3 Right. No. Yeah. I think this is I think I think they you've your question is a little too bearish, because I don't think that people are going to prison this cycle. I think that's the other way around. I think what what I just said, like, we can, make it part of the program to listen to forty hours of Bitcoin podcast. If you're sleeping on the street, which is gonna be made illegal, you have a tent or, you know, you live in a box on the street, boom, you're going to a center

25:07Speaker 3 where you're gonna have access to forty hours of Bitcoin podcasts until you get better. If you are, you know, like addicted to fentanyl and you're on the streets, if you're just addicted to painkillers, you're gonna go to, you know, a new federal orange billing center and you're gonna have access to the best Bitcoin podcasts at at your disposal.

25:28Speaker 3 In fact, you're not gonna be able to do anything else, but sit, you know, sit or walk in the sun out in the yard and listen to Bitcoin podcast. And so you improve. And I think that that is how we're going to improve things. It's it's not Bitcoiners that are going to jail. It's the people who refuse to adopt Bitcoin standard who refuse to listen to Bitcoin podcasts, voluntarily. They're gonna be the ones that are gonna be going

25:54Speaker 3 to to jail, to, rehab, to, immigration center camps, just concentration. It's con You need to be concentrating

26:03Rod Palmer on Bitcoin podcasts. You need to go to concentration camps and listen to forty hours of Bitcoin podcasts. So Well, the thing that's difficult is like, you know, maybe that's what the future holds for us, but it seems like the harder that we win, the more Bitcoiners keep on going to prison, and it's kinda confusing.

26:22Speaker 3 Until until he lets Ross out.

26:24Rod Palmer It it it it maybe yeah.

26:28Speaker 3 Yeah. I guess Yeah. Yeah. It's like the French revolution, Bastille Day. We're gonna break we're breaking them out of the prisons.

26:34Rod Palmer Yeah. I guess that's, like, one of the the keys that we could do. So, like, if we keep on selecting Bitcoin podcast or listeners and and and maybe even Bitcoin podcast or some day, Bitcoin plebs to the presidency, they can keep on letting Bitcoiners out of jail faster than they can put them in jail. And that would be very exciting. Because, like, you know, maybe the next cycle, you know, when Dennis Porter's selected, you know, he'll he'll finally be able to let the the samurai guys off the hook, essentially.

27:06Rod Palmer Right. You know, all these people that are, you know, getting chased around by these noncompliant government agencies. So, I mean, like, you know, I think one of the problems with government in general in the way that it's operated for the last little bit is that, these politicians, they don't understand

27:26Rod Palmer consensus like Bitcoiners do. They don't understand game theory. They they just don't understand a lot of these very important topics or or or or concepts that that should be mandatory for them to understand to be even

27:42Rod Palmer qualified to be there in their possession or positions. And I think as the the politicians become more qualified like, imagine the difference between, like, you know, your normal run of the mill Republican politician,

27:60Rod Palmer like, what's that guy's name? Give give me give Mitt Romney. You could yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Imagine if Mitt Romney was replaced with, American huddle. What that would be like?

28:14Speaker 3 No. I think that's happening. I think the old the old boomers are being replaced, especially in the GOP with millennials

28:25Speaker 3 who are, they're tech savvy, they know how to transact adversarially, they listen to Bitcoin podcasts, like they're very chauvinistic. They're very proud to pay their taxes. They're very proud to be patriotic and be a part of, you know, like Jason Lowry said, like, we're, like, having the strongest, you know, or the most hash rate being able to win the hash wars

28:50Speaker 3 in, like, we're making America. We're fixing politics with with Bitcoin. I think we're gonna replace, you know, with all typical politicians, like you said, with exactly what I'm talking about or what you're talking about, which is American HODL, you know, Shane Hazel, some of these, like, these political guys who

29:11Speaker 3 it's a totally different Republican party. Yeah.

29:15Rod Palmer I think it's it's interesting because, you know, Trump is appointing people to his administration that,

29:26Rod Palmer you know, are much more aligned with Bitcoin, but I wanna go as far as to call a lot of them Bitcoiners. Now you came up with your dream, cabinet. You wanna talk about that a little bit?

29:41Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah. Let me find that. It was, you know, this is what I this is what if, you know, Trump's filled out his cabinet with, like he said, Bitcoin adjacent. Some of them, they, you know, they love Bitcoin. They they seem to be maximalists. But, but my pick, you know, if I was picking, it's like almost like fantasy. It's like my the president obviously, David, Dennis Porter, the vice president, and I kinda waffled back and forth here, but I went with David Zell from Bitcoin Policy Institute, just because I think if we're gonna have the first, like, totally,

30:13Speaker 3 Bitcoin or, you know, White House, like, we want somebody there with some experience. So David Zell's, you know, kind of behind David Porter or Dennis Porter, and they, you know, that's the executive. The secretary of state, nobody knows democracy better than Alex Gladstein.

30:30Speaker 3 The secretary of defense, I mean, of course, Preston Pysh, the, the Apache helicopter pilot, you know, he wrote books. He's like, he knows about value stocks. Like, he's, he's like the kind of guy you want measured, around the, the secretary of defense. I mean, here we go. The treasury secretary, which we can talk about the one who just stepped down, but we should replace it with Lynn Alden. It would be great to have the first hot, secretary of the treasury, who just understands Macroswell Sonalban,

31:01Speaker 3 attorney general, who other than Joe Carlos are, health and human services, Stephen Mabka. Obviously, he knows, you know, more about health than most physicians. The secretary of commerce, who better than full, FOLD CEO, Will Reeds. Department of Energy. Probably the most brilliant, most, knowledgeable person about, Bitcoin mining is Harry Sedick. Veterans Affairs,

31:27Speaker 3 and other than, Bitcoin veterans, Michael Bart, the press secretary, I think Natalie Brunel, would do great. Secretary of agriculture could be Ben Justman. He's got, you know, he he built a, a winery in Colorado, which

31:44Speaker 3 people said was crazy, but, he, you know, he's made he's selling it for Bitcoin. And, chairman of the, FDIC, the, Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, who other than,

31:58Speaker 3 Lloyds cover holder, and the cofounder of AnchorWatch, Rob Hamilton. Corey. I think I added to it that, the, the chief of staff would be great for predator. That is an impressive

32:12Rod Palmer administration to say the least. And I I I imagine our listeners like, I I imagine even if Darth Coin's listening, he's feeling a little bit of status come out in him. And he's like, wow. If this was our

32:30Speaker 3 government, it might actually work. Yeah. It's like, you know, this is our best shot. You know? This is if if any team could do it, it would be those guys.

32:40Rod Palmer Yeah. I mean, I I think it's really important, you know, for Bitcoiners under to understand. We need we need to continue to push the envelope. And just because we got a few things that we wanted, it doesn't mean that that's where we stop. Like, we have to learn from, the communist that this this idea of incrementalism.

33:00Rod Palmer You know what I mean? Right. Where we just continue to to inch. Right. We we continue

33:05Speaker 3 to to push America to be more based. Right. And this is exactly what people mean by gradually then suddenly. There's gotta be a lot of gradually and I it it sometimes you have to you have to just

33:21Speaker 3 be on and trust democracy for the gradually part and then you get to the suddenly and then it's like everything's fixed.

33:32Rod Palmer Yeah. I mean, when when David Bailey or Dennis Porter or Grant McCarthy or David Zell, you know, these individuals, these political figures, these political orange pillars, Samson Mao, I'm sure, is like this too. You know, when they walk into a politician's office and they start having the conversation, they don't lead with, you should listen to forty hours of Big Web podcast a week.

33:56Rod Palmer They they start with, you should listen to one. And then, you know, after their first Lin Alden podcast, you know, when their mind's blown and they're like, wow, I know so much more about macro than I ever did before. This is like a 100 times better than a college degree. Then, you know, that individual, you know, Samson or whoever will say,

34:17Rod Palmer well, why don't you try two hours a week? And they just step it up. And then, you know, next thing you know, the politicians listening to forty hours Bitcoin podcast a week, they're attending their local meetup, and,

34:30Speaker 3 they're running their own Umbrel mode. And look what happened to Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz is running bid access in his basement. He sat at a at a recent political rally. So it's like you start to look around and it's like, next thing you know, they'll you're gonna send lobbyists to Washington, DC, and they're gonna be trying to orange pill the politicians. And the next thing you know, the the politicians will be the ones trying to orange pill vote. They're gonna be the politicians are gonna be all over Washington, DC looking for anybody who wants to to be orange pill or that needs to be orange pill. And that's when you'll know. It's like, pretty soon the politicians will be trying to orange pill us.

35:07Speaker 3 And once you once, you know, once you see the the politicians trying to orange pill their constituents, that's how you know that hyper Bitcoinization, and Bitcoin standard is here. Like, that's when you you don't even have to you send your kids to school and teachers are trying to orange pill your kids. The the the curriculum itself, like, the school system is trying to orange peel your kids. Like, that's what we're trying to that's what we're trying to build here. Yeah.

35:32Rod Palmer I I look forward to the protest, you know, when parents, like, try and prevent their kids from being, taught about Bitcoin.

35:41Speaker 3 I think that's a lot. Yeah. I mean, I've already seen it. People are saying they don't want their first grader to to, you know, know, their teachers' financial positions. Right? But it's like, no. Like, first kids need to be orange pilled by public schools. They're going to be.

35:58Rod Palmer I'm sure there's gonna be a lot of parents that are, you know, upset about what their kids are learning like. You know, they're they're gonna believe that Bitcoin should be awesome and they're not gonna want their kids learning about all caps.

36:11Speaker 3 What do you think about, like like, you know, what's once the CIA is trying to orange pill people through Hollywood, like, that's gonna be

36:19Rod Palmer the movies are gonna be crazy. Yeah. It's been interesting because the the movies have been surprisingly for for as as important as Bitcoin is, it hasn't really gotten featured in any a whole lot of pop media.

36:34Speaker 3 Yeah. And Well, Troy, let's see why. Kendrick Lamar, the most popular rapper, he just put out a, a new album on Friday, and it's apparently a banger if you're like that music. In the very first song, he talks about Bitcoin.

36:49Rod Palmer Is it on Wave Lake?

36:51Speaker 3 It I have to check. It's definitely not on the charts. It'd be pretty interesting

36:56Rod Palmer if an artist like that did their debut song on or sorry, not debut song, but debut Bitcoin song on Wave Lake. Okay. So Kendrick Lamar is talking about Bitcoin. I mean, okay. So, like, I I kinda wanna I I think it's helpful for people if we run through the context of bullish, situations. So they're looking at a big sell wall right now. They're waking up. They, you know, Monday morning, they're looking at this giant cell wall of of Bitcoin trying to break through a 100 k.

37:27Rod Palmer They they might be, you know, looking at the CIA ran news, you know, seeing all these things about war and, you know, potential bearish, news headlines. I I think we need to run through some of the most bullish,

37:44Rod Palmer ones and or, like, scenarios. So there's there's Trump in the White House. There's Kendrick Lamar did a song that that talks about Bitcoin.

37:53Speaker 3 Yeah.

37:56Rod Palmer Marty Bent says this time is different. That's pretty bullish.

38:00Speaker 3 Yeah. David Bailey said that, Hong Kong might be doing a strategic reserve. The, Dennis Porter has, Texas, Florida, Pennsylvania, and Wyoming introducing bills

38:15Speaker 3 to create a Bitcoin strategic reserve. The, one of the candidates for president of Suriname in South America says that she will bring a Bitcoin standard to Suriname. One of the, one of the

38:31Speaker 3 the presidential primary candidates for president in Poland. He's apparently been listening to Bitcoin podcasts. He's trying to bring Bitcoin to Poland. The former, you know, it's a he he's the hereditary

38:49Speaker 3 prince of Serbia. His the the the monarchy ended in the 1940s, but he, you know, he is still part of that old aristocratic family in Serbia. He obviously listens to forty hours of Bitcoin podcast per week. If you ever get to hear him, he was just on Walker, his podcast.

39:08Speaker 3 So the prince of Serbia is listening to Bitcoin podcast. I mean, it's

39:12Rod Palmer everywhere. Trying to think of

39:15Speaker 3 some of my most bullish, Microsoft, their, board of executives is, like, gonna listen to Michael Saylor try to orange peel down about starting, their own strategic reserve. Yeah. I think

39:29Rod Palmer well, I just was scrolling through my my Twitter to look at my post. I think, like, one of those bullish things is is just NFI players are talking about it too. Oh, yeah. That's that's pretty cool. But the the USDT price is part of the reason why I'm bullish. It's just because the price keeps on going up. And, like, the price is the signal.

39:55Speaker 3 It's about it's about time that the the Bitcoin price, like, APIs and, like, apps showed it in USDT, all of them. Like, that should be the standard.

40:06Rod Palmer Yeah.

40:07Speaker 3 I think If I Google it, it should be the USDT price. It should say 98,205 USDT.

40:15Rod Palmer I I think we're gonna see, like, some pretty significant economic growth over the next few years. And and the reason why is because Bitcoin companies are gonna be making more money, and so they're gonna be able to sponsor Bitcoin conferences more. They're gonna be able to sponsor Bitcoin podcasters more. There's gonna be more Bitcoin podcasters because as the price goes up, there's more demand for Bitcoin podcasts.

40:43Rod Palmer They're gonna receive boost. They're gonna go and buy nicer podcast equipment. The people listening to the podcast are gonna get rich. And so what they're gonna do is they're gonna buy nicer headphones to listen to the podcast with. And all of that is just money flowing into the economy, into supply chains because to ship those headphones from China to The US or wherever they're made, maybe they'll be made US made high quality headphones at this point, which would be very bullish for the

41:14Rod Palmer American economy.

41:17Speaker 3 Yeah. Trump said he wants Bitcoin podcasts made in America. So Yeah. That means he wants Bitcoin podcast equipment made in America. That's how I translate or interpret that.

41:28Rod Palmer Yeah. I mean, we cannot let China dominate the the the Bitcoin podcast, gear landscape. Like, Americans need to be manufacturing

41:42Rod Palmer their own mics and their own headphones.

41:45Speaker 3 Yeah. You can't be you can't be a country that has its own it's sovereign in its Bitcoin podcasting if you can't make its own podcast equipment. I mean, honestly, there should be like, if there's a seed signer out there for build building your own and using your own open source hardware to make your own podcasting equipment, that is the number one way to be a sovereign podcaster.

42:08Rod Palmer Yeah. I mean, this would be something kinda interesting to to kinda coincide with the bid acts. So I don't I don't know how much we've talked about the bid acts on this show, but, you know, every PodCom show has talked about the bid acts. And essentially, this, open source miner mining device. And I I could see a very similar project come along for for podcast here. And, you know, we've seen a lot of,

42:37Rod Palmer we've seen a lot of emphasis on, you know, open source development in terms of software, but not as much on on the hardware side. So there's ways to open source podcasts. You know? Like, there's things like Jitsi. There's things like all sorts of stuff, but we need to see it on open source microphone. So, yeah, SeedSigner,

43:03Rod Palmer BIDX, you know, projects like that would be pretty cool. Yeah. Anyways, I think we should transition to the boost. Before we get into that, I did I did wanna say, you know, there's a music video floating around. I'm sure by the time you listen to this, you already saw the music video. But, it is the Marty Bent, says this time is different music video, and, go check it out. I'll have it posted around all over the place on Stacker News. I I forgot what the platform is that you host videos on on Nasr, but I'll,

43:39Rod Palmer I'll have it on there, once I figure that out. I I just need Darthcoin to to instead of me answering my question, he'll send me a guide, that he already wrote. So instead of me going to Darth Coin's guides, I message Darth Coin, and then he messages me his guide. It's kinda it's kinda like I'm using him as a search index of his website.

44:01Rod Palmer And when I figured that out, I'll have it posted on Oscar. But, yeah, our first boost of

44:13Rod Palmer last episodes the last episode was titled, this is the bull market. Our first boost, per usual, is for miss HODL net 04/20. Man, you you can't get rid of her, can you, Ron?

44:27Speaker 3 No, Ted. Apparently, not. The podcast groupies are the hardest to get rid of. Well, this is one of the things that's pretty easy or interesting about

44:38Rod Palmer found in in general in in this boosting thing is that if if there's somebody that's annoying, their comment's still gonna show up there. I guess we have a choice on whether we're gonna read it or not. Right. But, she says, I'm so bullish. Mass adoption's here. I'm going to sleep with Dennis this cycle.

44:56Speaker 3 Yeah. You know, that's kinda crazy, but I actually hope she succeeds because it would be really awesome to be an Eskimo brother with Dennis Porter. How many people get to say they they're Eskimo brothers with Dennis Porter? Well, you and, mister, we all eat wood.

45:14Rod Palmer So, you know, imagine this theoretical circumstance, which, you know, once once Bitcoin is fully adopted and and hyper Bitcoinized, the world is hyper Bitcoinized, you know, Dennis will have to figure out a new thing to crusade for. Right? Because he'll have accomplished his goal. I think one of the most dangerous

45:36Rod Palmer circumstances is imagine Dennis legalizes polygamy. How many people's wives he would steal?

45:46Rod Palmer And how many women he would be able to orange pill? That's why you have to have checks and balances

45:51Speaker 3 in the government to prevent that site you know, that type of authoritarian I I don't think Dennis has the authoritarian in him, but, you know, it's it's like, I think, Svetsky said, it's like it's a dangerous man is not a harmless man.

46:09Speaker 3 A dangerous man or a good man is like a very dangerous man who has the discipline to keep it all inside and not and not lash out. And, like, Dennis Porter is that person. He's got the power, but he's got the the ability to put his put checks and balances on it because he's he understands democracy. He cares about it so much.

46:34Rod Palmer He's he's gonna have some sort of kryptonite. And if it's not power, you know so, like, people say absolute power corrupts absolutely.

46:41Speaker 3 But, like, you know, it's fixes this.

46:43Rod Palmer Yeah. An or an orange pill podcast listener is essentially immune of being corrupted by power because they're so based. Right. Yeah.

46:56Rod Palmer Well, anyways, before we go off on a whole another, you know, podcast episode, Thank you for your base, miss Huddlenut. Four twenty. Keep them coming. We'll take your money even if Rod doesn't think you're hot. Kinda looks like Danny Yellen.

47:11Speaker 3 We all eat, one of our favorite, our favorite fans, Base has 10,021 stats. Linda is so hot. Sigi sat parody. Cockskill war.

47:24Speaker 3 Oh. Hell yeah. Hell yeah, she's hot. I'm glad that we all eat the greatest of that one. I Lynn is, like, such a professional consonant professional macro Bitcoiner.

47:37Speaker 3 I don't know if her and and, We All Eat would ever, like, really get along. If they hung out in real life, I think he'd probably be too drunk, but

47:47Rod Palmer I know he tries. He he'd shoot his shot. That'd be an interesting interaction to watch, to say the least. I'd like to see Lyn Alden talking to, We all eat. I I don't know what that means. Is that the name of the bowling team? Maybe he's referring to, you know, people are generally kinda moving towards compliance, now that the price is going up, like, in their guys in office.

48:14Rod Palmer Maybe that's what he means. I wanna call it Cox. I'd I'd just call it winning. You know what I mean? Right. Like, you you can comply for winning. You only don't comply if you're losing. I think that's one of the the lessons, like, you know. For sure. There's, like, people out there like Larkin Rose that, like, believe in this idea of, like, principles. But, you know, the reality is, principles only matter when you're losing. Right. Because then you can point to the other person and say, hey. You're not following principle. Right.

48:43Speaker 3 That's what I'm saying. It's it's that's like the people who are saying, like, they're mad at MicroStrategy investors. It's because they're losing. They're getting outperformed on the free and open markets by, sailors' stock instead of

48:59Speaker 3 just holding Bitcoin in cold storage. So, you know, you're resorting to spouting principles. And that's just one thing you have to remember is if you if somebody is, you know, buying MicroStrategy

49:13Speaker 3 stocks and and very proud of all the profits they're making, A Bitcoin podcast about principles is just not gonna it's not gonna catch their attention.

49:25Rod Palmer Yeah. And I I I think there's, like, you know, there's multiple lessons to learn from this situation. Like, first of all, I wanna say, like, you know, this concept of, you know, only complying when you're winning is foundational in journalism school. They they teach you this. Like, this is journalism one zero one, and your first

49:45Rod Palmer couple lessons, this is what you learn. But I think this is kind of a controversial take, but I think the reason why MicroStrategy stock is going up so much is because Michael Saylor went on so many Bitcoin podcasts, not necessarily because they bought so much Bitcoin.

50:04Speaker 3 Interesting. So you'll have to go on the Bitcoin podcast to keep the momentum up.

50:09Rod Palmer Like, what what other, well, maybe he doesn't because the Sailor series is so prolific. It will continue to, you know, be be solidified in time. And, like, more and more people are gonna go back and listen to that, the more that MicroStrategy

50:28Rod Palmer stock goes up. He's so he's kinda, like, planted his flag. Like, he's been doing proof of work. He set his base. And all these other company CEOs need to figure out how can they go on all the Bitcoin podcasts, like, as soon as possible. And I just don't think they're gonna be able to to catch him or or compete. Yeah. He's, he's gonna be significantly, you know, more attractive to invite

50:51Rod Palmer to different Podkoff events and conferences and and stuff like that because he's been he's like the OG. You know what I mean? Right. Like, you know, Adam Back's not that interesting to listen to, but he gets invited everywhere. And everybody wants to hear him talk even though he's really boring. But, yeah, then thank you thank you We All Eat for the boost. Really appreciate it. Our next boost is from Orange Bart for 5,000 sats. Orange Bart says, listen to podcasts without boosting is stealing, and it's against the law.

51:22Rod Palmer Yes. Comply comply with the law. Now that we're winning, you actually have to comply. Like, I know a lot of people were pirating podcasts because they felt like we were losing. But now that we're winning, you have to follow the law, and you have to boost the show. That's right. That's right.

51:39Speaker 3 This is the time to pay your taxes. The next news is from Matt1001Sats Damn it! My name when read out loud sounds like a shitty token.

51:52Rod Palmer What? What's his FOMO?

51:54Speaker 3 Okay, so yeah, I must be seeing his oh, his nostril name? I think we see different names sometimes. Yeah. That does sound like a ChickCoin name.

52:07Rod Palmer His his nostril name is Matt. His handle is Fomatronic. Okay. I'm listening. I think it's if you're if you're logged in to Fountain, you got your nostril connected. You probably see the Nostr name.

52:21Speaker 3 Well, thanks, man. It does sound like for the boost. Does sound like it too.

52:25Rod Palmer I I think this is like I I don't know. There's there's other people out there that, like, CryptoCloaks, you know, for example. Kinda sounds like some sort of shitcoin, but it's not. I I'm trying to think. There there there's Paul Stork. He's got some sort of shitcoin name in it, his handle, but he actually might be a shitcoiner.

52:48Rod Palmer He's a people. Yeah. Crypto anarchism. But what which I think, like, this is a problem with the shitcoiners, you know, as they take cool concepts like cryptography

53:01Rod Palmer and, make them uncool by, like, trying to, like, cool off them. Yeah. Yeah. Because, like, you know, when you think of crypto, like, you know, you could think of, like, the early Cypherpunks. Right. Or you could think of Tron.

53:19Speaker 3 Right.

53:21Rod Palmer Or Doge. Doge these days is actually pretty cool. I I don't think you can shit on meme coins. But, like, you know, when you meme coins are cool, but XRP isn't.

53:31Speaker 3 Right. That's a good point. That's a good point.

53:33Rod Palmer Like, you're you're still a shit coiner if you're a meme pointer. But you're a cool shitcoiner. Like, and there's different, like You're funny. You're you're not a cool shitcoiner if you're, like, into Bitcoin SV or or XRP. So there's definitely, like, the you know, like, a lot of people come to the space. They're they're definitely gonna shitcoin, and they kinda have to go through the same process of figuring out which are the coolest shitcoins. Like,

53:59Rod Palmer the coolest shitcoin

54:01Speaker 3 to use is Mirror. Of course. Of course. You could pretty much get away with that one People are like, this guy, he's fucking shady

54:12Rod Palmer Well, one of the re like, you don't even need to tell anybody that you're using Monero This is one of the reasons why it's the cool shit coin is because people won't even know you're using it You know what I mean? That's true. Exactly. Yeah. Like, some people wanna give us boost in the narrow. It's, like, fine, but we're not reading your boost. That's not

54:30Speaker 3 that doesn't go with the ethos of privacy.

54:32Rod Palmer Like, you you wanna go to the meetup, the Bitcoin meetup, but you wanna shitcoin, but you don't want the people at the Bitcoin meetup to make fun of you for shitcoin. You should use Monero, and they'll never have any idea. Right. Right. Thanks for your Shadrach. Shadrach for 939 sats,

54:49Rod Palmer double boosted, two different comments. Someone needs to make a pod podometer which permanently records your podcast listening hours to the blockchain. Community note, Smokesat parody is a 100.

55:04Rod Palmer False. Incorrect. Buster. Trying to fact check me. The one x key on your typewriter will convert the Bitcoin price to sats slash Trump token

55:18Rod Palmer and vice versa. Well, that's interesting. No. Actually, it's not a 100 k. We hit SATS cigarette parity before a 100 k. We're pretty close to it right now. So so Bitcoin, at the time we're recording, is 98,218

55:39Rod Palmer USTT per coin according to Stacker News. And we're about 18 sets off from cigarette sat parity. So I I just wanted to say Shadrach, unless there's something wrong with Stacker News' math. You are incorrect. It's not a 102.

55:58Speaker 3 Well, let's say, yo, thank you for the boost, Shadrach. You don't have credentials, so don't take you know, didn't get this one right. Don't take it personally. Is it you you were close. You were close. That that's important.

56:11Rod Palmer Chat I just wanna say real quick. I don't wanna leave this on a bad note with Shadrach. Shadrach's out there doing some cool stuff right now, traveling around, seeing things, living in a pretty interesting life. And, I'm actually a little bit jealous of Shadrach right now.

56:29Speaker 3 Hell yeah. Next one is from our boy Pies. He's got two, one for four twenty sass. Let's fucking go. LFG, rocket to the then his next one is for the 100 sats. Cheers. Two mugs of beer and then five cigarette amejis.

56:49Rod Palmer Pies is real. Well, speaking of Shadrach's Pot O Meter, you know, I think what like, I think that one of the coolest features that Fountain could do is just like a a boost leaderboard.

57:01Speaker 3 Oh, yeah.

57:02Rod Palmer So you get, like, who who are the weekly biggest boosters and and some metrics on that. And and that essentially like, if you rank on that, you you truly are the lead of the lead when it comes to podcast listeners. And I I have a feeling that Pies to Plop would be up there because Pies I'd say so too. If you listen to any of these other intellectual Silk Road

57:29Rod Palmer podcasts,

57:30Speaker 3 Pies is, like, on everyone. Yeah. He is. I I see him all the time.

57:34Rod Palmer But, yeah, we have a few Nostra posts.

57:38Speaker 3 Yeah. One more of 300 subs from, BTC onboard, two lightning

57:44Rod Palmer emojis. Where do you see that one? I don't oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hashtag l enhance or hashtag CTV. So this person doesn't care. They just want one or the other. They want they want software. He just wants a software. He'll he'll take any software that you can give him. B BTC board onboard definitely would have voted

58:03Speaker 3 for a ball because they want a change. Right. Right. He's like he's like, listen. I I I don't wanna ossify. I don't even need for you to explain me what your software proposal is. I'll activate it. I want change.

58:16Rod Palmer Yeah. Yeah. I don't care if the change is positive or negative. It just we know it needs to change. It's like all the people that,

58:24Speaker 3 people that they wanted to do Taproot. They didn't know what Taproot was. They were just like, that sounds kinda badass. I like that band Taproot in 2002.

58:33Rod Palmer Have you yet to use Taproot, Amy?

58:37Speaker 3 I know. I, I I fucked around with some ordinals back in the day. Made some shitty ordinal. I didn't know how to do anything with it after I made it, so it just I made, like, 4 ERC twenties.

58:52Speaker 3 Like, it's, like, the minted four tokens. It cost me, like, $12.

58:55Rod Palmer Well, I I think we weren't we sold on this idea that Taproot was gonna, like, allow for, like, opening more private lightning channels?

59:04Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's what, well, the only people that did it was, Taproot, Labs, and they just made USDT, stablecoins on lightning. But they're I think they're private. They probably sought to KYC, so probably not.

59:21Rod Palmer Yeah. Well, that's like the that's like one of the problems when I see, you know, like, hard work or, like, fork proposals. It's like, you know, when the context is changes, like, you know, you you get sold on an idea and then something else entirely. It it's kinda like a mystery. But why why don't they just There's it's unintended

59:42Speaker 3 consequences.

59:43Rod Palmer Well, what what what these what these, developers need to do when they're trying to sell their their fork proposal is instead of, like, giving solid arguments as to what it is, they just need to say, hey. I came up with this proposal, and it's a mystery box. And you'll find out what it is once you implement it. Yeah. Once you activate it, we'll find out what's inside.

1:00:07Rod Palmer Yeah. You ever order one of those, mystery boxes online?

1:00:11Speaker 3 No. I haven't, but I should. Sounds fine.

1:00:14Rod Palmer I used to watch, videos online of people ordering dark web. They they would they would go do, like, non compliant Monero or Bitcoin transactions, and then somebody would deliver a box into, like, some weird obscure place, which then they would have to go find and then open it up. And then there'd just be a bunch of weird stuff inside. I feel like that's that's what I expect from the developers going forward. We need we need a a little bit more

1:00:41Speaker 3 of a, a better discussion around these, vertical Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Make make Bitcoin like John McAfee. Like, make it weird again. Like Mhmm. Maybe maybe find a human toe in there. You know what I mean? Like, metaphorically. Make it sad for it again.

1:00:57Rod Palmer Before we wrap up, I just wanna say, I feel like the people pushing for, Bitcoin development and and updates on the protocol level, they're kinda like the Democrats. They're the progressives. They wanna see change. They wanna push things forward. And and the people pushing are actually like the Republicans. They're the conservatives.

1:01:18Speaker 3 They just want to they just want to engineer.

1:01:21Rod Palmer Yeah. Alright. Anyways, well, thank you everyone for tuning in to this edition of the Vehicle Weekly. Rod, do you have any announcements or announcements of announcements before we, wrap up the show?

1:01:35Speaker 3 No announcements, and no announcements of announcements. But, yeah, check out the, the music video tomorrow. It's gonna be really good. I've seen the sneak preview, and, yeah,

1:01:49Speaker 3 stay bullish.

1:01:51Rod Palmer I I think one announcement of announcement I wanna make is that we will be doing another tournament here relatively soon.

1:01:58Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah. So for that, we're doing a a tournament. It's been talked about. If you if you look through our replies, you might be able to find a hint, but, I think you're gonna like it.

1:02:08Rod Palmer Maybe maybe on next week's show, we'll announce it. Or maybe we'll announce that we'll be announcing it on the show after that. We'll we'll have to see. But I'm announcing tonight that we're gonna announce at some point in the future that we're doing a tournament before the end of the year. Oh, yeah. Alrighty. Well, thanks for tuning in. See

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