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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-0">0:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-0" data-t="0">Welcome to the podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2" data-t="2">This is Rod Palmer back from vacation in Biloxi, Mississippi</span> <span class="cue" id="t-6" data-t="6">with my wife and kids.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-8" data-t="8">Of course, we stayed at the casino,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-10" data-t="10">because casinos are the only hotels with smoking rooms where you could smoke inside.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-15" data-t="15">But it was great. The weather was wonderful. The beaches were were beautiful.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-19">0:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-19" data-t="19">But I'm glad to be back for the fifth episode</span> <span class="cue" id="t-22" data-t="22">of our new Bitcoin podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-24" data-t="24">Behind the Podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-26" data-t="26">where we, my cohost, and, the editor of Beagle News, Richard Grieser, and I, we interview influencers in the Bitcoin podcast community.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-35" data-t="35">And if you listen to the second episode of Behind the Podcast, you will remember that Shinobi insisted</span> <span class="cue" id="t-41" data-t="41">that Bitcoin mini script was invented.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-44">0:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-44" data-t="44">Well, tonight, we're talking to the man who thinks he discovered it. We're talking to Rob Hamilton. Welcome, Rob. Thanks for having me, boys. How are you doing, Richard? How was your New Year? How how was your New Year, Rob?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-57">0:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-57" data-t="57">My new year was great. I I rung it in at the the Podkoff ball down at, Sailor's Mansion for the hundred k party, New Year's Eve party. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-65" data-t="65">it was a good time. I had a lot of fun.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-68">1:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-68" data-t="68">Okay. That's where I think we gotta start here.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-72" data-t="72">What</span> <span class="cue" id="t-73" data-t="73">give us a rundown. What was what were you thinking? How did you get to this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-78" data-t="78">Saylor one hundred ks Bitcoin podcast party? The biggest Bitcoin podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-83" data-t="83">and Bitcoin podcast party</span> <span class="cue" id="t-85" data-t="85">in this industry</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-87">1:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-87" data-t="87">ever. On and on, it was awesome.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-89" data-t="89">What was that like? How did you get there, and and what did you see?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-93">1:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-93" data-t="93">I got there because,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-97" data-t="97">American HODL</span> <span class="cue" id="t-98" data-t="98">brought me in as his plus one. I was not at the level of influencer yet to be able to get my own direct ticket. So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-107" data-t="107">American HODL made me his plus one, and I, was able to last minute flying down to Miami</span> <span class="cue" id="t-114" data-t="114">and, hopefully work my way up the power rankings of the podcasting influencers to, you know, get myself in there for future future invites to the sailor sailor yacht.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-125">2:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-125" data-t="125">Yeah. That's good. This was a potentially a life changing party</span> <span class="cue" id="t-129" data-t="129">to attend, and you were there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-131" data-t="131">Did</span> <span class="cue" id="t-132" data-t="132">did you see</span> <span class="cue" id="t-134" data-t="134">Dennis Porter?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-135">2:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-135" data-t="135">I did. I got to say hi to him briefly too. As I was getting off the yacht, he was getting on the yacht. And the yacht, just to explain here, there was a formal valet</span> <span class="cue" id="t-145" data-t="145">shoe check.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-146" data-t="146">You had to check your shoes with a instead of a coat check, there was a shoe check. So everyone</span> <span class="cue" id="t-151" data-t="151">you had women in their, like, really nice dress heels and men in their really, really nice,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-156" data-t="156">shoes, and they had to keep taking them on and off.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-158" data-t="158">And,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-159">2:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-159" data-t="159">as I was taking putting my shoes back on, Dennis was taking his shoes off to get on the yacht.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-165">2:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-165" data-t="165">Okay. And then</span> <span class="cue" id="t-166" data-t="166">oh, I will let Richard ask some questions about this party, but do you and this is just a wild conspiracy. Do you think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-173" data-t="173">that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-175" data-t="175">that shoe check was potentially the CIA trying to get feet picks?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-180" data-t="180">Not only all of all the influencers.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-182">3:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-182" data-t="182">Not only feet pics, but I think it was also a little bit of an analysis of seeing how many steps podcasters get. They could put a couple Bluetooth sensors in there, and they could geo track them. And, they would be able to, you know, see making sure they're getting their step counts. And I'm pretty sure Lubbka</span> <span class="cue" id="t-197" data-t="197">had some something to play there to make sure all of the influencers were getting their steps in.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-202">3:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-202" data-t="202">He was definitely an inspiration, if nothing else, just being there.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-206">3:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-206" data-t="206">Yeah. He was very</span> <span class="cue" id="t-207" data-t="207">next level when it comes to surveillance.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-210">3:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-210" data-t="210">I I kinda would've figured it would've just tracked everybody based off their cell signals. That might Oh, the cell signals. Yeah. I mean, like, for any of these big events, I'd always advise not bringing your actual day to day phone, just like any any major Bitcoin event. I mean, there's been plenty of stories of people getting picked up if you've heard of stingrays.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-226" data-t="226">They're specialized devices that basically emulate cell towers. They're they're totally illegal,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-231" data-t="231">but you basically could spoof to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-234" data-t="234">via cell network and then get access to phones and a lot of data that way and intercept stuff. Yeah. It's pretty nasty stuff.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-240">4:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-240" data-t="240">No. Non complying government agencies are the the main users</span> <span class="cue" id="t-245" data-t="245">for that type of thing.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-247">4:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-247" data-t="247">Yeah. No. I mean, it's a very, powerful force multiplier in our day and age of digital stuff to just be able to put a massive dragnet like that. And and for high end sophisticated stuff, they don't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-255" data-t="255">even</span> <span class="cue" id="t-257" data-t="257">property. They could just be on the other side of the water and just, like, pointing it in that direction.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-263">4:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-263" data-t="263">I think, I think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-266" data-t="266">being in that environment on a yacht in Miami, a city like Miami with its reputation, with the Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-273" data-t="273">ethos and kind of this, separate money from state cipher punk ethos.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-279" data-t="279">It felt very</span> <span class="cue" id="t-281" data-t="281">non compliant that night that party probably felt very non compliant despite</span> <span class="cue" id="t-285" data-t="285">being</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-286">4:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-286" data-t="286">highly surveilled, highly compliant, very, you know, KYC to the match. Right? And it's but there's something fun about that. That's why I think the Bitcoin conference in Las Vegas</span> <span class="cue" id="t-296" data-t="296">is gonna be even better than the 100 ks party because that is the ultimate city. Like they have TSA, all the surveillance, it's built in. They don't have to the lines aren't gonna be long like they were in Nashville. It's gonna be there's gonna be cameras everywhere. KYC everywhere. Why us? You will be able to smoke cigarettes inside</span> <span class="cue" id="t-314" data-t="314">and you will be able to spend saps on things that, you know, maybe a year to the strip club where you go to one of those spots and you it's gonna be it's gonna feel very non compliant, but in fact, it's legal there, right? So it's it is compliant. So it's we have it's like we're building this bubble of,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-332">5:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-332" data-t="332">really compliant ways. It's almost like AI where you feel like you're in a new a new world. And maybe that's what hyper Bitcoinization could be like.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-341">5:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-341" data-t="341">No. I want, you know, going into the conference, if they're gonna kind of vet a couple strip clubs and get them all on Nostr, so you could do zaps</span> <span class="cue" id="t-348" data-t="348">zaps for dances. I think that's a pretty good innovative way for being able to do peer to peer transactions in a really, clean way. And it's it's a lot easier than dealing with dollar bills. It feels so much better to get a thousand sats.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-360">5:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-360" data-t="360">I think I think somebody should start a business where they integrate Aldi with all the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-366" data-t="366">you know, the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-368" data-t="368">Saw machine. Slot machines. Right? You just log in with Aldi. You get your lightning wallet. Boom. You just instead of buying credits or putting in tokens,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-375" data-t="375">just do it right there. Integrate with your nostril,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-377" data-t="377">with your lightning wallet.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-379">6:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-379" data-t="379">You should be able to also get markers like like credit lines of credit based on how many Twitter followers you have. Like, that like, you should be able to basically take your your Twitter x payouts and put them directly into the casino. So you could just show, like, hey. I make a couple thousand dollar a month influencing on Twitter. You should give me a $10,000 marker. You know what I mean? Like, you should be able to, like it's like a social credit score that you can actually monetize.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-400">6:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-400" data-t="400">Yes. It's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-402" data-t="402">I've been saying this forever that if you're trying to rent an apartment</span> <span class="cue" id="t-406" data-t="406">or get a, you know, a short term loan and being able to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-410" data-t="410">to publish, give them your fountain boost and show them the fountain boost you get as a Bitcoin podcaster,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-415" data-t="415">That should count as your,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-418" data-t="418">as your income so that you are deemed credit worthy to, you know, find a place to live.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-423">7:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-423" data-t="423">Yeah. We need to be able to integrate the taxes better to be able to show proof of income. That's a really important point to kind of, be able to bootstrap us into the new age of influencing and hyperbitcoinization.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-435">7:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-435" data-t="435">Well, one one thing I'll say,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-437" data-t="437">you know, when you're an individual that can actually afford taxes,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-442" data-t="442">you feel like you don't need privacy</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-444">7:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-444" data-t="444">as much. Well, you're able to buy privacy in other ways. Right? You're above you have you make enough money above board to pay your taxes, but then you're probably</span> <span class="cue" id="t-454" data-t="454">wealthy enough to have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-456" data-t="456">ways of sheltering your wealth elsewhere. Right? So you get to have your privacy somewhere else. Whereas the the day to day working man doesn't have that luxury.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-464">7:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-464" data-t="464">If you have $10,000,000</span> <span class="cue" id="t-467" data-t="467">in Bitcoin ETFs</span> <span class="cue" id="t-468" data-t="468">and you are able to afford your taxes,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-472" data-t="472">you have kind of earned the right to have 10,000,000</span> <span class="cue" id="t-476" data-t="476">in Bitcoin cold storage that you just kind of don't have to pay taxes on. I think that the IRS kind of is starting to see that, hey, this guy can pay his taxes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-486" data-t="486">Let him have a little cold storage Bitcoin.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-489">8:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-489" data-t="489">Yeah. Did you see that story this week? I don't think I'll pull it up, but there was this guy who lied about his taxes with his, Bitcoin earnings. And so now the IRS is demanding that they have access to the wallet.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-500" data-t="500">Yes.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-501">8:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-501" data-t="501">Right. Yeah. He was required to reveal his keys, as the headline said. Yes. That that brings me that brings me to Anchor Watch. Alright?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-510" data-t="510">Full disclosure,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-512" data-t="512">I'm very bullish on Anchor Watch and what you're building over there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-515" data-t="515">And I've because I firmly believe that Bitcoin is our insurance.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-519" data-t="519">It is is a especially as a plan, it's our insurance.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-523" data-t="523">It's insurance on your future and on your time.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-526">8:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-526" data-t="526">And you discover MiniSprint and you use it to invent the first way to get insurance</span> <span class="cue" id="t-532" data-t="532">on your insurance.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-533" data-t="533">So if something happens to you and you lose your Bitcoin, you may never get those keys or those UTXOs</span> <span class="cue" id="t-540" data-t="540">back. But with Anchor Watch, you have the peace of mind that you will still be able to afford your taxes.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-546">9:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-546" data-t="546">That's right. You almost could view it as a way as insuring your insurance is like reinsurance. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-552" data-t="552">And so,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-554" data-t="554">it's interesting because the way Bitcoin has always developed up to this point</span> <span class="cue" id="t-558" data-t="558">as a sovereign individual, you're doing something that's called self insuring. What that means is you're owning all of the risk.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-565" data-t="565">Right? And that's why we have seed phrases. That's why we have middle plates. It's why we do multisig.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-570" data-t="570">It's why we do air gaffing. That's why we listen to forty hours of Bitcoin podcast per week. Yeah. You know, in insurance, you actually have you have to do forty hours a year, to be licensed in insurance. They're called continuous education like credits.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-583">9:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-583" data-t="583">And I just view that every week I'm putting in my Bitcoin continuous, you know, education credit dues by listening to those podcasts. I'm I'm actually working right now with the state regulators to to be able to get credits for if you listen to enough Bitcoin podcasts that you can kind of get credit towards your insurance licensing.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-599">9:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-599" data-t="599">And and you can even extrapolate that to if you listen and you can prove you listen to forty hours of Bitcoin podcasts per week, your insurance premiums</span> <span class="cue" id="t-609" data-t="609">could go down.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-611">10:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-611" data-t="611">That's right. That's right. I think that's a really, because you're basically it's like if you take defensive driving courses, you can, like, blow take points off your license or get cheaper,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-621" data-t="621">in car insurance. I view it as the same way that if you do a bunch of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-625" data-t="625">listening to Bitcoin podcasts, that should meaningfully show that you are an educated, smart individual, and that you're really putting in the time and effort to learn about Bitcoin. So that should be able to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-635" data-t="635">you know, reduce your rates just like any other insurance. What about</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-640">10:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-640" data-t="640">getting and maybe Anchor Watch could do this,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-643" data-t="643">but getting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-644" data-t="644">insurance on your Bitcoin podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-647" data-t="647">Like what if you, what if you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-650" data-t="650">you smoke cigarettes and you lose your voice because you have to get one of those tubes in your neck?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-656" data-t="656">You lost your income.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-658">10:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-658" data-t="658">What can you do in that situation? You can almost like half whack</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-662">11:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-662" data-t="662">but for for, for your Bitcoin podcast. You know, we actually already have versions of that insurance today.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-669" data-t="669">Professional athletes,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-670" data-t="670">movie stars. Movie stars can actually insure their face where because if they get injured, they're not gonna be able to work anymore. Right? So you get future income based off that. I think it should be the same way. You should be able to ensure your voice in your Bitcoin podcast. Absolutely. I would. I would be very interested in that. If, if</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-687">11:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-687" data-t="687">you had a chance to meet Dennis Porter recently, if you could get him to lobby the regulators</span> <span class="cue" id="t-693" data-t="693">to make Bitcoin podcast insurance compliant,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-696" data-t="696">I think that that would honestly, I think Anchor Watch will be a boom for,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-701" data-t="701">Bitcoin self custody and and institutional custody. I think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-706" data-t="706">getting compliant insurance for Bitcoin podcast will be a the boom we need for Bitcoin podcast. People will be willing to take those risks to become Bitcoin podcasters.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-715">11:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-715" data-t="715">Yeah. You know, because it's a it's not a glorious life, and it's a lot of hard work, and we need to get more people podcasting. So if we were able to do insurance, we'd be able to get more podcasters in the arena. Successful businesses are obsessed with their customers.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-729">12:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Ad Narrator 1</b> <span class="cue" id="t-729" data-t="729">Understanding the unique problems and circumstances</span> <span class="cue" id="t-732" data-t="732">your customers face</span> <span class="cue" id="t-733" data-t="733">enables your business to provide high quality solutions and great customer service.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-739" data-t="739">Many highly successful</span> <span class="cue" id="t-741" data-t="741">entrepreneurs,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-742" data-t="742">including Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-745">12:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Ad Narrator 1</b> <span class="cue" id="t-745" data-t="745">credit the success of their businesses to their obsession with knowing their customers.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-750">12:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Ad Narrator 2</b> <span class="cue" id="t-750" data-t="750">However, the information collected about us by our favorite brands, consumer product retailers, and financial service providers in order to provide high quality,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-759" data-t="759">low cost</span> <span class="cue" id="t-760" data-t="760">services with best in class customer experiences</span> <span class="cue" id="t-763" data-t="763">is very valuable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-764" data-t="764">and stored in databases which act as honeypots attracting nefarious governments,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-769" data-t="769">hackers, and law enforcement who wanna gain access to it. That's why we're developing Zero Knowledge KYC.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-776">12:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Ad Narrator 1</b> <span class="cue" id="t-776" data-t="776">ZKKYC</span> <span class="cue" id="t-778" data-t="778">will allow regulated companies to comply with know your customer</span> <span class="cue" id="t-782" data-t="782">and anti money laundering laws, as well as tailor your experience to your unique customer profile</span> <span class="cue" id="t-789" data-t="789">without ever needing to know or store</span> <span class="cue" id="t-792" data-t="792">compromising information about your off chain identity,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-796" data-t="796">sensitive personal details, or shopping habits which could be used to associate you to your on chain</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-802">13:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Ad Narrator 1</b> <span class="cue" id="t-802" data-t="802">activity. To learn more about z k k y c and unlocking the power of asymmetric compliance,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-808" data-t="808">contact us on the intellectual Silk Road today.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-813">13:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-813" data-t="813">Yeah. Are you familiar with Bitcoin podcast power law? I'm not. I'd love to learn more of that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-819" data-t="819">So it's kinda like an extension of Bitcoin power law, which is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-824" data-t="824">mathematical proof that Bitcoin is gonna go up.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-828">13:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-828" data-t="828">And Is this like like stock to flow?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-831">13:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-831" data-t="831">It's kind of like a similar model.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-835" data-t="835">It it it's a different model</span> <span class="cue" id="t-837" data-t="837">than stock to flow.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-839" data-t="839">The the creator of it insists it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-842" data-t="842">very accurate.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-845" data-t="845">So he has not been disproven yet. So have a little cycle.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-850">14:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-850" data-t="850">Well, the problem is is how many Twitter followers does that person have? Because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-855" data-t="855">plan b who did the stock to flow stuff has 2,000,000 Twitter followers. So it's kind of hard to say he's wrong</span> <span class="cue" id="t-861" data-t="861">if he has 2,000,000 Twitter followers. Let's see.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-864">14:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-864" data-t="864">The amount of it, like, it's, it's one of these theories, these,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-868" data-t="868">these laws,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-869" data-t="869">they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-870" data-t="870">but big mistake people make is when they have charts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-873" data-t="873">Because if you have a chart, you have to have dates. And if the chart isn't in the right spot</span> <span class="cue" id="t-879" data-t="879">at the right date,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-881">14:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-881" data-t="881">it invalidates your entire thesis. So you have to have,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-885" data-t="885">a narrative. You need to have a macro narrative or a price narrative, but you can't have a chart.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-890" data-t="890">The chart will get your you know, ruin your reputation. It looks like he only has 44,000</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-895">14:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-895" data-t="895">Twitter followers.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-896">14:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-896" data-t="896">It's rough. I mean, it's one of those things that maybe we're just early. That's how early we are. And the power law guy has 2,000,000 Twitter followers will know we're at a cycle top. It's,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-906">15:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-906" data-t="906">Yeah. This idea of Bitcoin podcast power law</span> <span class="cue" id="t-910" data-t="910">is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-911" data-t="911">essentially tying the Bitcoin</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-913">15:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-913" data-t="913">price to the amount of Bitcoin podcasts there are. Interesting. Is that that's so it's a power law where</span> <span class="cue" id="t-919" data-t="919">every additional podcast adds a lot to the price. Like, it started with a couple and it was a little bit of price uptick. Like, I'm thinking back in 2016, we had,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-929" data-t="929">let's talk</span> <span class="cue" id="t-930" data-t="930">Bitcoin, and we had, like, Bitcoin uncensored.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-934" data-t="934">You know, we were in the low</span> <span class="cue" id="t-936" data-t="936">thousands, high hundreds.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-938">15:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-938" data-t="938">And now that we have a lot more, each additional podcaster is adding, like, thousands of dollars to the price. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-944">15:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-944" data-t="944">much. And if you think about it, it makes a lot of sense. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-948" data-t="948">It's because, theoretically,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-950" data-t="950">most of these podcasters I I wouldn't say all of them, but most of them</span> <span class="cue" id="t-954" data-t="954">probably have a girlfriend</span> <span class="cue" id="t-957" data-t="957">or a mother</span> <span class="cue" id="t-959" data-t="959">or a father</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-961">16:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-961" data-t="961">or a sibling</span> <span class="cue" id="t-962" data-t="962">that they can plead with to listen to their podcast. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-967" data-t="967">And maybe they'll share it with one of their friends at work.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-970" data-t="970">And all of a sudden,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-973" data-t="973">you know, the people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-975" data-t="975">these people</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-976">16:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-976" data-t="976">around them are hearing that Bitcoin is winning or has won,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-980" data-t="980">and they'll make the decision to buy Bitcoin.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-983">16:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-983" data-t="983">So, yeah, it makes the price of Bitcoin go up. I see the virtuous feedback loop there too because as the Bitcoin price goes up, we're all gonna get girlfriends. And those are podcast listeners that we can tie in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-994" data-t="994">and start bootstrapping a whole new audience. I love that. That actually makes a lot of sense now that I'm thinking about it. What what do what do girlfriends lead to? Eighties, children.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1004">16:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1004" data-t="1004">Well, they or that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1006" data-t="1006">They they lead to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1008" data-t="1008">expensive engagement rings.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1011" data-t="1011">Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1013" data-t="1013">And so,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1014" data-t="1014">you know, all these people have to spend money on an expensive engagement ring.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1019">16:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1019" data-t="1019">How are they gonna be saving for it?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1022">17:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1022" data-t="1022">They already have to save for taxes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1024" data-t="1024">Now they have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1025" data-t="1025">to save for an expensive engagement ring.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1028" data-t="1028">That's it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1029" data-t="1029">so you need to buy Bitcoin to afford your taxes, but you need to sort a Bitcoin podcast to afford an engagement ring for the girlfriend that you get from buying Bitcoin.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1039">17:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1039" data-t="1039">Women need to understand this. If they want to have a good</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1043" data-t="1043">potential suitor</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1045" data-t="1045">for them, they have to have Bitcoin if they're gonna get their hands on a good engagement ring. Yeah, but back to my point of what comes after the engagement ring and the girlfriend</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1055">17:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1055" data-t="1055">is kids.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1056" data-t="1056">And when you start having kids, you get to orange pill them from an early age. You get to make them listen to your Bitcoin podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1067" data-t="1067">And that's how the captive audience. So like you get to kind of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1070" data-t="1070">plant that orange pill seed in their mind from a very, very young age. And that's you're just creating</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1076">17:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1076" data-t="1076">more listeners. Yeah. You're like multiplying. You're you're creating podcast listeners</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1080">18:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1080" data-t="1080">at the end of the day. And that's the thing with kids. You start having play dates with other parents. Those are more podcast listeners. You have the teachers at school,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1088" data-t="1088">the kids and their friends.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1090" data-t="1090">Like, that's a really like, that's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1092" data-t="1092">that's a power law right there. You start with one person, you get a second person. How easy once you get that girlfriend, that second person to get three people, five people, 10 people.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1101" data-t="1101">It's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1102" data-t="1102">it's a wild way to kinda really blow up the scene.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1105">18:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1105" data-t="1105">And the the more podcasts</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1108" data-t="1108">you listen to or the more podcast interviews and discussions and debates that you have,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1113" data-t="1113">the better prepared you will be when your kid gets when you get called to the parent teacher conferences, when your kid's in, like, third or fourth grade and the teacher is just telling you how bad of a parent you are, you get to explain to them that, you know, your your son is a Bitcoin podcaster.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1128" data-t="1128">He doesn't play by the rules and he's obviously, you know, he's skipping grades.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1133" data-t="1133">He already knows how to code. Like, the school is failing Cam. He's not failing the school. And you orange pill, you know, a school a a principal right there, right, dead in her dead in her pet her desk. There you go. The truth is, other women,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1147">19:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1147" data-t="1147">they look at your wife's engagement ring, and they just, you know, ask themselves the question of why don't I have a husband like that? I mean, isn't that enough to orange pill them?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1157" data-t="1157">Just seeing that.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1159">19:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1159" data-t="1159">It's FOMO. You get Bitcoin FOMO, and you think about it as the price, but it's all the things the money can buy. Nicer engagement rings, faster cars, bigger houses.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1167" data-t="1167">You just all of a sudden realize that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1170" data-t="1170">you're not if you're short Bitcoin, you're just short living a good life.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1174">19:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1174" data-t="1174">Here</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1175" data-t="1175">she sees</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1176" data-t="1176">her friend</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1177" data-t="1177">getting engaged to somebody who can afford this dot giant diamond ring</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1182" data-t="1182">who walks</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1183" data-t="1183">for hours a day with his headphones on listening to Bitcoin podcasts,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1188">19:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1188" data-t="1188">and he cooks steak for dinner every night. Like, and she's like, why can't I have that wife? Yeah. It's what people</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1195">19:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1195" data-t="1195">are taking out loans to pay their taxes. Like, Bitcoin really is the opt out.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1200" data-t="1200">It's a high interest rate environment. Like, people are just getting eaten alive, taking out these loans to pay the IRS.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1207">20:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1207" data-t="1207">And this is what's crazy too. If you take a loan against your Bitcoin, no taxes. Right? So you can actually</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1213" data-t="1213">avoid taxes by having Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1216" data-t="1216">But you have to be careful because if it's an ETF, you're gonna get taxed when you sell that thing.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1221">20:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1221" data-t="1221">Would you call this the compliance,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1224" data-t="1224">opt out, The compliance opt</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1227">20:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1227" data-t="1227">out. Oh, the great compliance opt out.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1230" data-t="1230">Very well could be. Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1231" data-t="1231">And it's funny because the old banking system is the one that's providing the dollars to let you do it. It's almost like, hey. We know that we kind of, aren't compliant. We're gonna let you in the circle now. You get to use our dollars and you get to avoid compliance.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1244">20:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1244" data-t="1244">Yeah. Exactly. So it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1247" data-t="1247">with</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1248" data-t="1248">by out complying the government, what we're doing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1251" data-t="1251">is we're able to the more comply you are, the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1255" data-t="1255">more value you are able to accrue.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1257" data-t="1257">And by out complying with government, we're absorbing all the value. And so now we're getting to the point where</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1264">21:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1264" data-t="1264">we are going to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1265" data-t="1265">use the idea of making the dollar stronger with Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1270" data-t="1270">to get control of the dollar and once we have control of the dollar we can be the ones</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1275" data-t="1275">who can you know abdicate the throne and say we don't need we don't need a central bank. It's we can do the ones that tear it down. That's what we're doing. We're all complying.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1284" data-t="1284">It's creating leverage. We're using that leverage</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1287" data-t="1287">to separate money from state. It's leverage compliance.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1292">21:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1292" data-t="1292">And in getting liquidated, you're just getting freedom. It's that's the compliant multi the compliance multiple we talked about.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1299">21:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1299" data-t="1299">Isn't isn't that pretty much the piece that's over your company?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1303">21:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1303" data-t="1303">In some ways.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1305" data-t="1305">Yeah. So I guess to take it back, on the company, I'll I'll I'll go off for a minute here. So Mini Script and Shinobi I I would agree with Shinobi.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1314" data-t="1314">I discovered</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1315" data-t="1315">Mini Script in the way that Christopher Columbus discovered America.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1319" data-t="1319">That's the way I would view it through is that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1323" data-t="1323">it was just, you know, I had listened to</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1326">22:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1326" data-t="1326">hundreds, if not thousands of hours of Bitcoin podcasts,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1329" data-t="1329">and I had never even heard of mini script.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1332" data-t="1332">And what MiniScrip does is that it actually allows you to do more advanced Bitcoin custody today without a fork.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1340" data-t="1340">We leverage it in a really interesting way</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1343" data-t="1343">where we are able to tie it with an insurance policy. And for the length of the insurance policy,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1349" data-t="1349">you as the customer have a two of three of case you need to sign and Anchor Watch has a two of three you need to sign. What we kind of view this as is almost like a</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1357">22:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1357" data-t="1357">joint custody or, like, in a way that we can't move the money and you can't move the money unless we both agree, which allows us to embed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1365" data-t="1365">native governance and compliance into the Bitcoin blockchain</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1368" data-t="1368">for the length of your insurance policy, which is just a whole new way of being able to bring in traditional finance and larger insurers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1375" data-t="1375">to be able to come in and have higher confidence in being able to monetize this asset.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1380" data-t="1380">It has additional ways that you can spend your money too. So, ultimately, if you lost all of your keys,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1386" data-t="1386">AnchorWatch and a third party could come together to recover the funds and give them back to you.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1390">23:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1390" data-t="1390">And then after the insurance policy expires, you by yourself can actually move the money. And this is all verifiable and audible on the Bitcoin blockchain. And now this is funny because when I first started tweeting about this, there was a Bitcoin podcast that talked about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1404" data-t="1404">it. The noted podcast back in 2018,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1407" data-t="1407">Andrew Polster went on and talked about it, and I missed that podcast. Now I'm gonna tell you, missing that one podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1414" data-t="1414">set me back months because I would have had such a better understanding at the jump. And this should just go to say, you if you think you've listened to enough Bitcoin podcasts, take it from someone who has been on dozens and has listened to thousands of hours. You have not listened to enough Bitcoin podcasts. You have to do that work.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1433">23:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1433" data-t="1433">A very important</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1435" data-t="1435">point there in what you just said is that if you missed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1439" data-t="1439">that episode where you talked about it, then I've been almost everybody else</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1445" data-t="1445">missed that episode as well.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1446" data-t="1446">So by, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1448" data-t="1448">you went back and found it and there was a lot of value</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1451">24:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1451" data-t="1451">there and but you were the one that was able to, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1455" data-t="1455">bring mini script</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1457" data-t="1457">to Bitcoin conferences and talk about them at Bitcoin conferences and talk about it on big podcasts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1463" data-t="1463">And what was, did</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1465" data-t="1465">was it, did you feel responsibility</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1467" data-t="1467">to be the expert on mini scripts? The people were probably coming to you like,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1474">24:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1474" data-t="1474">Rob, help us with this many script question me out. You're on mute. Whoops.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1478">24:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1478" data-t="1478">It actually is a really funny story. It went from never being on a Bitcoin podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1482" data-t="1482">to me being on a bunch of bunch of Bitcoin podcasts to talk about it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1486" data-t="1486">Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1487" data-t="1487">All of a sudden the student had become the master and I was the one doing all of the podcasts talking about mini scripts. So I was trying to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1495" data-t="1495">first off, atone for my sin of missing a Bitcoin podcast, but then I was trying to pay it forward and make sure that no one else</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1501" data-t="1501">would be able to miss a Bitcoin podcast talking about MiniScript ever again. I went on a bunch of them to talk about it. And it is funny in that it,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1509">25:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1509" data-t="1509">very meaningfully,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1511" data-t="1511">a lot of people started hitting me up and just understanding how this tech works. And there was a lot of confusion, not understanding that it doesn't require a fork. You're not upgrading your node to do anything.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1521" data-t="1521">It was, a really big way in just thinking about different ways you could build things on Bitcoin today. And this was my one of my thesis, when I first discovered this and started going deep into it, huge shout out to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1532" data-t="1532">Vic seared salmon on Twitter, who's the one who originally showed me this. It was a huge jump point because everyone had been using, like, multisig since 2012.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1541" data-t="1541">It really hasn't changed. There was a small change in 2014 with pagescript hash. But besides that, everything was just a multisig. Like, if you wanna go deep security, it was just multisig.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1550" data-t="1550">And this was a whole new way of being able to leverage things like time walks,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1554">25:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1554" data-t="1554">being able to do things like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1556" data-t="1556">multiple ways you can spend your money in a really clean, nice way.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1560" data-t="1560">And I think it's a really interesting, like, renaissance of being able to build cool stuff on Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1566" data-t="1566">It's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1567" data-t="1567">it's definitely, though, there was a and I think when I started doing a lot of podcasts about it, I started seeing more people talk about it on Twitter and and on Oster,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1575" data-t="1575">and more people started building things with it too. So it's been really fun over the past year to see more and more companies come in and start building on this.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1582">26:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1582" data-t="1582">What are some examples of other things other companies are doing or that are that you think are cool that people are doing with MiniScript?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1589">26:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1589" data-t="1589">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1590" data-t="1590">The guys well, the first we just shout out is the only people that were working on this before me really at all were the wizard Sardine guys. They have a wallet called the on a wallet. And what I love about that is that it's really straightforward</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1602" data-t="1602">and that you can have, let's say, a two of three multisig, but if the funds haven't moved in a year, it's a one of three multisig. Right? So just for you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1611" data-t="1611">your deep cold storage, not talking to anyone else as a sovereign individual,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1615" data-t="1615">you can spin up your node, you can set this up. It works with all the major hardware wallets,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1620" data-t="1620">and it's something that's just very simple. And for me,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1623">27:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1623" data-t="1623">I think this this should become the standard over the next couple of years because when you think about it, if you have your deep cold storage as a two or three multisig,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1631" data-t="1631">you have zero tolerance.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1633" data-t="1633">What happens if I lose two of my keys? The money's gone forever.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1637" data-t="1637">And for you to do a little extra effort and say, I want to become a one of three, or maybe I'll make it a two of four, where, like, if after</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1645" data-t="1645">a year, maybe five years goes by,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1648" data-t="1648">I can give a I can give a key to my favorite influencer or my lawyer, and they can hold a key for me to help cosign. All of a sudden, they can get the money back. Like, that's a whole massive paradigm shift in how you can kind of, like, have redundancy and strength in the way you can shift your Bitcoin for a long term. This sounds like</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1665">27:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1665" data-t="1665">a perfect sovereign solution to prenuptial</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1668">27:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1668" data-t="1668">agreements. You totally could. You could set it up that way.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1672">27:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1672" data-t="1672">Inheritance and prenuptials. Yeah. When you marry somebody, you know women like to spend money, which means they want to spend your Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1680" data-t="1680">Sometimes the big diamond ring isn't enough and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1684" data-t="1684">you want to make sure</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1685" data-t="1685">that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1686" data-t="1686">she doesn't spend too much at least, you know, for the first</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1690">28:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1690" data-t="1690">year or so. And you could roll that over. Right? You could do it year after year. Can't about expire after, you know, fifteen years, then she could spend after Bitcoin if you die. Yeah. No. You could actually set it up that way where you could just have a little side thing here. This is your money. And then maybe every year a little bit more unlocks for you. Right? So you also could do it as a way to kind of like, here's your allowance for the year. And next year you can maybe spend a little bit more Bitcoin. Right? You could set that all up.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1714">28:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1714" data-t="1714">Yeah. I think the important thing for many people like me and and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1718" data-t="1718">like to know is or can you confirm</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1720" data-t="1720">that you don't this doesn't mean you give up your cold card. This doesn't mean you give up your jade. Right?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1727">28:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1727" data-t="1727">Yeah. I know. So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1729" data-t="1729">the jade, the cold card, the Spectre DIY,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1733" data-t="1733">the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1734" data-t="1734">Bitbox o two,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1737" data-t="1737">I think I had,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1738" data-t="1738">Jade cold card, Specter DIY,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1741">29:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1741" data-t="1741">Ledger,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1743" data-t="1743">cold card. Yeah. All supported natively today.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1746" data-t="1746">On our platform right now, we're starting with ledgers. We're working on adding all of the other ones.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1751" data-t="1751">It's very</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1753" data-t="1753">interesting. Like, the way we design it is that you you have your keys and we have our keys. Right? And except for that window at the end where in the event you lost all of your keys, we can help recover the money for you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1763" data-t="1763">Let's say out of the entire policy, like eleven out of twelve months,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1767">29:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1767" data-t="1767">you have to be a signer for all of it. And we actually have it set up so that halfway through your policy, let's say you lost two of your keys, we only need one to be able to, like, recover the files with you. Right? So it provides a lot of optionality to make sure that no matter what,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1779" data-t="1779">your funds are safe and we're able to kind of, like, keep them, like, secured for you.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1785">29:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1785" data-t="1785">Yeah. Yeah. That's I mean, I will what am I saying is I think is is totally true is that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1791" data-t="1791">hard money should be hard to use. And so</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1795" data-t="1795">I I had the cold card because they're so fucking hard to use and and figure out. So it makes it harder for me to spend my Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1802" data-t="1802">Now I have a chance</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1803" data-t="1803">to have it, like, a Trident Vault, right, that makes it once if I can use my cold card, it's still hard to spend my Bitcoin, and that's really what I that's really what I want at the end of the day.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1815">30:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1815" data-t="1815">Yeah. No. It's it's funny. When you use your cold card, if you can do a multisig, you can do,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1820" data-t="1820">a Trident Vault or any manuscript stuff. It's like one it's the same step. You,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1825" data-t="1825">it is hard to use and it's gonna be and that's when you're using your cold card. You still have to hit all click all your buttons, type in your pin phrase, look at your your secondary words, and type in your second part of your pin. All of that is still there. That same user experience you know and love will be ready for you when you come over to using MediScript. Do you ever seen the movie Bad Santa where,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1846">30:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1846" data-t="1846">Billy Bach Thornton, he's like, his job is to break into safes and steal all the all the cash? Is there is there is this going to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1854" data-t="1854">or is there going to be people like that that emerge that are trying to crack many scripts so they can break into these faults and steal these keys? Or would that be a nod of smart like, is that like it just sprays the cash so they can't get out the door? I mean, it it's worth giving a shot. I would say that,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1871">31:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1871" data-t="1871">the people who built, like, with this discovery of manuscript, it was seen that is really well put together.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1877" data-t="1877">So I would challenge people to be able to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1881" data-t="1881">try and break it. I'll give you guys a little bit of a preview. What I'm thinking about doing is throwing a whole Bitcoin onto one of these and giving all of the seed phrases for the customer keys</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1892" data-t="1892">to to Twitter</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1894" data-t="1894">and be like, okay. Can you take the funds? And just to be able to prove that, like, as a lockbox, this is very resilient.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1901" data-t="1901">I have I have full confidence in that nothing would be lost, but I think it'd be a fun experiment because everyone,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1907">31:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1907" data-t="1907">wants to be wants to be able to say that you can crack this stuff, and I I feel pretty confident that it's really resilient.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1913">31:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1913" data-t="1913">Right. And you could, you could, like, anchor watch to post a video on Noester one day, and then they could post something in a podcast, or then they could post something on a different platform. If you went to each one and you found it, and you got you collected all the keys,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1927">32:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1927" data-t="1927">then you could try to unlock it. You could try.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1930" data-t="1930">It'll be time locked for a year, so you won't be able to do anything. So before then, we'll be able to move the money out, which is kind of going to the whole value prop of how the technology works. Is that even if someone broke into your house and stole your cold card and stole your ledger and stole all of your signers,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1943" data-t="1943">the funds aren't lost.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1945" data-t="1945">It's a whole different paradigm in how that works. You can lose a key. You can lose all of your keys even, but the Bitcoin itself is still sitting there at the address and it's still spendable. What if they what if they what if they steal your face?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1958">32:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1958" data-t="1958">And they say they're and they say they're you, and then they get the they get the Bitcoin they stole.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1964" data-t="1964">And then they talk to them. That's how that would be the trick right there. Like, somebody somebody might do that. You know, one person might do that.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1972">32:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1972" data-t="1972">Yeah. You so this actually talks about the insurance side of things. Is that in the event,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1977" data-t="1977">under coercion or whatever reason, you actually convince us to cosign the transaction and the funds move. Right? If it's a wrench attack, right,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1985" data-t="1985">that's actually insured. You can see here I have Anchor Watch swag.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1989" data-t="1989">We have,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1990" data-t="1990">actual wrenches, bottle openers, so you can open up your Bud Lights and your Budweisers and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1995" data-t="1995">be able to,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1997">33:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1997" data-t="1997">with with your little the wrench the wrench that we have. In the event that there's actually a theft in the event where,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2003" data-t="2003">the funds are like at least stolen under coercion,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2006" data-t="2006">that's actually a covered loss.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2008" data-t="2008">Right? If an actual wrench attack happens, that's a covered loss. Now there's a couple of things of, one, you have to file the claim. It has to be a criminal investigation.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2015" data-t="2015">We're talking about, like, a violent course of acts. So we're talking about, like, probably FBI and getting government agencies involved because a serious crime has happened in a theft.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2024" data-t="2024">But we go through that claim process. If we go through it, we believe it's all honest and everything. We pay out the claim. And then from there,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2033">33:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2033" data-t="2033">actually, this is a really interesting thing, is that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2036" data-t="2036">basically the property is owned by the carriers at that point. So very much in the same sense, if you get into a car accident and you and they, like, they buy you a new car, the the insurance company owns the scrap metal to the car. It's very much in the same way with this, or even maybe a better example is with a fine art painting. If someone steals</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2053" data-t="2053">fine art from a museum and the insurance company pays out the claim, the insurance company now owns the painting. They have the legal claim and title to it. So they are then highly incentivized to be able to do that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2065" data-t="2065">to be able to go back and try and reclaim those funds. So what we view is that the tech covers a lot of the, mitigations and risk mitigation, but for the things that the tech cannot cover for risk mitigation, that's why you have the insurance. So that that sounds everything about Edgar Watts sounds very interesting. That's why I'm so bullish.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2082">34:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2082" data-t="2082">But, have you you seen the movie The Big Short. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2086" data-t="2086">Yes. So my question is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2088" data-t="2088">how are you fucking me?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2092">34:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2092" data-t="2092">I mean, you pay</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2094" data-t="2094">I wouldn't say fucking you. I say it as just providing value. Like, are you getting fucked every time you go to the grocery store and you go, buy a chicken sandwich? Or you go to seven Eleven, you buy a pack of cigarettes? Like, are you getting fucked? Like, it's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2107" data-t="2107">we're pretty face up about the nature of the transaction.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2112" data-t="2112">Ultimately, I think this is just something that's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2114" data-t="2114">part of that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2115" data-t="2115">ability to make it safer for people to feel comfortable holding keys. People who have gotten phished on exchanges,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2122">35:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2122" data-t="2122">people who have lost their keys and they're unable to ever spend them ever again because they got really clever.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2127" data-t="2127">We're providing an added value and service. Just in the same way, I don't think Unchained or Casa are fucking you. Right? Like, I think, like, being able to offer people to help ways of being able to help secure their Bitcoin is a way to be able to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2139" data-t="2139">increase adoption and, you know, kind of decrease stress when it comes to actually using your Bitcoin. I will say, on this side, it's also a fully regulated thing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2148" data-t="2148">And since it's it's a there's actually an insurance contract, you it is KYC required. Right? So you lose privacy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2156" data-t="2156">That's just part of the nature of if you can't give a insurance contract to a random NIM. Right? You have to actually know the counterparty because it's a full contract. So those are the things to be cautious and aware of.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2167">36:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2167" data-t="2167">I guess on the technical side,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2170" data-t="2170">the nature of the transaction, since it does all of these extra things that most Bitcoin transactions don't,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2176" data-t="2176">it's a unique on chain footprint.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2178" data-t="2178">So you it will look like a tried and vault spend when you receive money from someone. So that's an important thing to keep in mind is if that you're if you pay someone</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2186" data-t="2186">directly from Trident Vault, they will know that you're a Trident Vault customer when they receive that Bitcoin. So those are things to be aware of if you're using the product.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2193">36:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2193" data-t="2193">Yeah. Yeah. It's like, especially my KYC Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2198" data-t="2198">if I were to ever lose that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2200" data-t="2200">the first thing that I would think about is, Oh my God, how am I gonna afford my taxes? The government knows I have this Bitcoin phase. If I say I've lost my keys,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2209" data-t="2209">you know, before they don't believe me, it's gonna be stressful.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2213" data-t="2213">This means you don't have to worry about that.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2216">36:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2216" data-t="2216">Totally. Yeah. You would have the full paper trail showing the whole ownership of it. And I think going back to, like, the other use cases too, we were talking about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2224" data-t="2224">being able to set up for your, you know, your girlfriend and your wife. You you what you actually could also do is you could have your mistress and your third wife and your fourth wife all leveraging this time lock as well. Right? You could have a whole quorum of them, and you can kind of break out your funds like that. So you can make sure that you're not all you're not you're you're gonna be able to not go all in on the first wife. You'll be able to get a second wife and a third wife, and you'll be able to use the time locks and the distribution of keys to make sure that no matter what you do,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2254" data-t="2254">whoever your wife is that day, you'll be able to get the funds out there. You'll be able to afford multiple diamond rings.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2261">37:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2261" data-t="2261">Multiple. One per finger, at least. A question for you. Say it up. Before we started recording, you had mentioned that a lot of people have been accusing you of being behind Podkoff.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2272" data-t="2272">So you've been publicly seen wearing Podkoff gear.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2278" data-t="2278">I personally know</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2280" data-t="2280">you're not Podkoff because I'm an investigative journalism. You're a journalist who's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2285" data-t="2285">done my research. But what what is it like to be accused of being such an insidious</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2292" data-t="2292">organization</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2293">38:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2293" data-t="2293">or being the mastermind behind it? How does that make you feel?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2296">38:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2296" data-t="2296">You know, at first,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2298" data-t="2298">it was really stressful.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2300" data-t="2300">I had been in an identity crisis</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2302" data-t="2302">of that if people could think on PodConf,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2304" data-t="2304">do they think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2306" data-t="2306">I could actually be that kind of person? And I do I took it very deeply and personally,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2311">38:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2311" data-t="2311">and I decided to wear it as a badge of honor</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2314" data-t="2314">being like, you idiots are so lost and don't see the bigger conspiracy that's happening here</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2321" data-t="2321">that I pity you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2322" data-t="2322">You don't understand</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2324" data-t="2324">the bigger games that are being played. And if you think someone like me could be Podkoff,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2328" data-t="2328">it sounds like a really nice little, like you know, it's basically,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2333">38:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2333" data-t="2333">I get put up as the fall man. Right? While the bigger and more insidious players get to keep on going. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2339" data-t="2339">You know, Lee Harvey Oswald,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2341" data-t="2341">gets put all the blame, and you get to just kinda sweep it all aside. You don't have to worry about what larger, you know, forces are at play. And it's one of those things that, you know, I I I pity the people who put that all on me. Yeah. I mean, just that on its face, you know, if you watch the PodCon Twitter account,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2357">39:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2357" data-t="2357">you can tell,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2359" data-t="2359">just from the personality of the post</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2362" data-t="2362">that it's definitely</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2363" data-t="2363">a short,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2365" data-t="2365">fat,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2366" data-t="2366">middle aged Jewish woman who probably has a last name ending with bird</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2372">39:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2372" data-t="2372">and a nasally voice.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2374" data-t="2374">I think it was pretty self apparent.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2377">39:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2377" data-t="2377">Interesting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2379" data-t="2379">I can maybe see it. There's a lot of use of the nail emoji, which is not my style, like the painting nails emoji.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2385" data-t="2385">It's not my speed.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2386" data-t="2386">That seems to be a better profile.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2388">39:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2388" data-t="2388">All I know is that</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2390">39:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2390" data-t="2390">the whoever's behind that account is jealous of Aubrey Strobel. Even though do you say you think it's, like, a bit of a fascination because Podkoff talks so highly of Aubrey Strobel</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2400" data-t="2400">that they're just kind of, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2402" data-t="2402">it's actually just deep seated resentment that they're not Aubrey Strobel?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2407">40:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2407" data-t="2407">I think they wish they were Aubrey Strobel. It's like they want they wanna be in her position. I think</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2412">40:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2412" data-t="2412">most women</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2414" data-t="2414">wish they were Aubrey Strobel.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2416" data-t="2416">Most men wish they were Aubrey Strobel.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2419">40:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2419" data-t="2419">When most women should wish they were Lyn Alden. Or Shinobi.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2423">40:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2423" data-t="2423">Shinobi's hot. I'm tired of pretending.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2426" data-t="2426">I'm tired of pretending that he's not. Cipher punks think that Shinobi is hot. Podcasters,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2432" data-t="2432">influencers,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2433" data-t="2433">everyone knows.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2434">40:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2434" data-t="2434">Yeah. Speaking of hot,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2436" data-t="2436">I wanted to run back over to the sailor party. So, you know, one of the more important articles that's come out recently was a critique of the fashion</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2447" data-t="2447">at the party. So I I kinda wanna hear your thoughts on your performance. I know</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2453" data-t="2453">you weren't actually invited, so it might have felt last minute.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2458" data-t="2458">But I also wanna hear your thoughts on your fellow attendees of the party and their decisions on fashion?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2465">41:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2465" data-t="2465">You know, I think I did pretty well. My photo is actually in the article, but my</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2473" data-t="2473">a photo of me is in the article, but I'm actually not commented on. And here's here's the thing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2479" data-t="2479">As someone who's transcended from podcast listener to podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2483" data-t="2483">talker,</span> <span class="cue" data-t="2483">actually being on these things, I take a great sense of pride in my physical appearance. Because even though most of them are audio only,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2490" data-t="2490">I need to dress the part to feel like I am have arrived,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2494">41:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2494" data-t="2494">and I am able</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2496" data-t="2496">to preach the knowledge of Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2499" data-t="2499">Because of that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2500" data-t="2500">I actually</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2501" data-t="2501">had a full my own tuxedo. I brought my wedding tuxedo</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2505" data-t="2505">to the sailor</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2506">41:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2506" data-t="2506">party. I hand tied my own bow tie. I had an orange cummerbund.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2511" data-t="2511">A cummerbund,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2512" data-t="2512">for those of you at home that are still, you know, stacking</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2515" data-t="2515">your Bitcoin and you don't have the wedding rings bought for your girlfriends and your wives yet,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2520" data-t="2520">It's, basically the replacement for, like, a belt. And I had it it was neon orange. I had a neon orange cummerbund because the dress attire was Bitcoin chic. And I had a Bitcoin pocket square</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2531" data-t="2531">that had</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2532">42:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2532" data-t="2532">mining, like pickaxes for mining, and then the Bitcoin logo in a nice orange.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2536" data-t="2536">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2537" data-t="2537">I think I did pretty well. Here's the thing for a lot of other people.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2541" data-t="2541">There was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2542" data-t="2542">a lot of t shirts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2544" data-t="2544">There was a lot of,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2547">42:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2547" data-t="2547">half assed, you could tell rented tuxedos.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2549" data-t="2549">Near the end of the night, I was on Sailor's yacht. Here's actually a little story from I was on Sailor's yacht, and this is a true story.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2556" data-t="2556">I was walking by and I saw a Nico from Simply Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2559" data-t="2559">And I said, hey. Where's your bow tie, man?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2562" data-t="2562">He said and I was like he's like, oh, it's in my pocket. And I was like, oh, is it a clip on? Like, you don't have it anymore. He's like, no. No. It's all together. It's right here. And it was a clip on bow tie.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2571" data-t="2571">And what I did at the end of the night</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2574">42:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2574" data-t="2574">is the ultimate Chad flex moves. I untied my bow tie and just let it hang out showing that I am an adult. I can tie my shoes. I can tie a bow tie. I polished</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2584" data-t="2584">a mirror shine on those things. I was able to actually,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2589" data-t="2589">you know, walking around, I could go look down. I could see myself back look at me. And that was just a good,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2594" data-t="2594">thing that no matter where I was walking, there was a good podcaster with me at all times. The,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2600">43:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2600" data-t="2600">I think</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2602">43:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2602" data-t="2602">go ahead.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2603" data-t="2603">It showed me better standards.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2606">43:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2606" data-t="2606">I just you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2608" data-t="2608">I was dressing up for Bitcoin, man. Like, there's I've worn that tux two times in my life. The day I married my wife and the day I went to the sailor yacht. Those things. I married</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2619" data-t="2619">in a financial and business commitment to Bitcoin, and I was putting on my best that I have to show the honor and reverence I have and that my little part</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2629" data-t="2629">of giving to Bitcoin and working hard on Bitcoin, which is very much like a marriage. Like, listening to a Bitcoin podcast and listening to your wife talk about her work day,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2637" data-t="2637">you know, it's the same kind of thing we had to keep on pushing through. Like, it's a hard thing, but good things come to those who work hard. And that's ultimately proof of work.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2646">44:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2646" data-t="2646">Hell yeah. That is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2649" data-t="2649">that's really inspiring. I couldn't have said it better myself.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2654" data-t="2654">And back to to Richard's point about the standards.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2660" data-t="2660">The the the mainstream has, like, the red carpet,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2664" data-t="2664">like, you know, the Oscars and and these events. And we have an emerging orange carpet, and it's not everybody's ready for the orange carpet. I think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2673" data-t="2673">one thing is for sure that,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2675">44:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2675" data-t="2675">you know, a suit jacket</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2677" data-t="2677">over a Bitcoin podcast t shirt is gonna kind of become the new Patagonia vest for people who know, like, who rich people are working, and they know macro that work in Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2688" data-t="2688">But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2690" data-t="2690">for events like this for the orange carpet, there needs to be a higher standard and you you're you're setting that standard.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2697">44:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2697" data-t="2697">Yeah. I'm working on it. I actually it was really unfortunate.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2700" data-t="2700">I got Bitcoin cufflinks, but they didn't arrive until the day I left. But now for the next time I pull out a black tie</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2706" data-t="2706">event,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2707" data-t="2707">the next black tie Bitcoin event for those out there is the inaugural the Bitcoin inaugural</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2713" data-t="2713">in DC next week. So for any of you high tier influencers, maybe you'll be there in your in your black tie best,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2720" data-t="2720">kind of changing it up from going from, sailor's yacht to Washington DC.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2725">45:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2725" data-t="2725">Yeah. And I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2727" data-t="2727">if you really want to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2730" data-t="2730">be, you know, be legitimized and have a a positive,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2734" data-t="2734">perspective,</span> <span class="cue" data-t="2734">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2736" data-t="2736">to the public,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2737">45:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2737" data-t="2737">you need to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2738" data-t="2738">you're a big one podcaster. You need to take yourself as seriously as Dennis Porter takes himself.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2744" data-t="2744">His view are that important.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2746" data-t="2746">And, like, you need the looking at Dennis looking at you, look at how you dressed. You guys are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2751" data-t="2751">you take yourselves very seriously.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2754">45:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2754" data-t="2754">Absolutely.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2756" data-t="2756">This is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2757" data-t="2757">actually looking through this article. It was a great article for Michael Saylor's New Easy, the fashion review.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2764" data-t="2764">My my cofounder, Becca, who's a huge fan of you guys as well.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2767" data-t="2767">This was her favorite line from the, from the article was the uncanny valley of aspiring to dress well but missing the mark and looking janky and unwell is what happens when men dress without enough respect for women and gays. And I'm gonna say also Bitcoin. It's a lack of respect for Bitcoin. You gotta you got like, guys, like, we have now arrived. Bitcoin has won. It is inevitable. We need to start acting like the leaders we're going to be, moving beyond just, you know, leading Bitcoin podcasts and leading, you know, government. Like, we have to really be stepping it up, and I expect more out out of everyone to be able to start realizing that the we're at the big leagues now. We've won. It's time to take our victory party and,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2804">46:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2804" data-t="2804">dress for the occasion. Dress like winners.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2807">46:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2807" data-t="2807">And nobody</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2808" data-t="2808">knows that better</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2810" data-t="2810">than David Bailey. And yet he is the he's the one who is not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2816" data-t="2816">taking himself seriously. He doesn't appear just based on his appearance is all I'm saying.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2820">46:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2820" data-t="2820">David has transcended</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2822" data-t="2822">the game.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2823" data-t="2823">He's he's fully,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2825" data-t="2825">like, horseshoeed back around to the start, and he's deserved it because he ran through that whole tier.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2831" data-t="2831">He brought multiple world,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2833" data-t="2833">leaders and and nation states to Bitcoin</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2837">47:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2837" data-t="2837">with the help of Dennis Porter</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2838" data-t="2838">that with that tag team, you you really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2841" data-t="2841">need to be able to give him the space and respect that he's sending the new trend and standard.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2846" data-t="2846">I feel like Dennis is newer</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2848" data-t="2848">to the potcom pot complex. And because of that, he's still trying to, like, show that he belongs.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2853" data-t="2853">David's just one level beyond that. He's kind of transcendent. Right. It looks like Samson has transcended it as well.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2860">47:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2860" data-t="2860">Absolutely. He also had really great logo placement. He had the January 3 t shirt on over the jacket. So, you know, he was always, you know, always be selling and advertising. Yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2869">47:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2869" data-t="2869">One one thing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2871" data-t="2871">that people need listening to this need to understand</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2874" data-t="2874">is who we're competing with</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2877" data-t="2877">is we're competing with the spooks,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2879" data-t="2879">we're competing with the best,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2881" data-t="2881">and they all go to Ivy League colleges.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2884">48:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2884" data-t="2884">And when you go to the Ivy Leagues, like, one one of the things they teach you is how to dress.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2890" data-t="2890">Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2891" data-t="2891">They teach you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2893" data-t="2893">how to actually tie</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2895" data-t="2895">a tuxedo</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2897">48:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2897" data-t="2897">tie, bow tie. You said they'll wear a clip on tie, so let's put it that way. That's right. We don't. We we cannot underperform</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2904">48:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2904" data-t="2904">the Feds.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2906" data-t="2906">This this should be seen</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2909" data-t="2909">this event should be seen as a travesty</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2912" data-t="2912">in the space because it was probably one of the highest concentrations</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2916" data-t="2916">of feds</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2918" data-t="2918">to civilians that we've seen.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2921">48:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2921" data-t="2921">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2923" data-t="2923">And Yeah. The civilians underperformed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2926" data-t="2926">significantly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2928" data-t="2928">It was abysmal.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2930">48:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2930" data-t="2930">I'd agree. That's what I'm saying. We have to just be doing better.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2933" data-t="2933">Like, it I'm I'm thinking maybe about, doing an orientation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2937" data-t="2937">next time. Maybe I should just make it a podcast about how to get dressed for a Bitcoin party. I think that'd be a good way to kind of, like, tie into all the social feeds and kind of just do the whole thing. First, guys, you gotta shower. You gotta take a shower. Like, it's like, you're in the Miami heat. It's swampy. Like, you gotta take a shower.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2954" data-t="2954">Gotta brush your teeth,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2956" data-t="2956">you know, gotta make sure that you're,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2958" data-t="2958">you know, tying your shoes straight. Yeah. You're not wearing sneakers.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2962">49:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2962" data-t="2962">You're not cool.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2963">49:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2963" data-t="2963">That was, some cargo shorts.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2967">49:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2967" data-t="2967">Yeah. Exactly. You gotta ditch the cargo shorts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2970" data-t="2970">You gotta be able to kinda step up. And that was,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2973" data-t="2973">speaking of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2974" data-t="2974">different podcasters there, I saw Peter McCormick</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2977" data-t="2977">and, Danny Knowles. And Danny Knowles said that he was wearing, I forgot. He called it a,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2982" data-t="2982">it was something like a Liverpool</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2984">49:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2984" data-t="2984">tux, and it was this black,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2986" data-t="2986">like, corduroy shirt with a white undershirt. And it's just like, Danny,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2991" data-t="2991">we're not in Kansas anymore. We're not in England. It's not a real place. Like, you gotta really be stepping up to the occasion.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2997">49:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2997" data-t="2997">British people don't matter.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3000">49:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3000" data-t="3000">They don't.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3001" data-t="3001">So much so that that Danny is British, but then he went over to Australia because he thought that if he could change the accent a little bit, he'd start mattering more, but it's not really the case.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3009" data-t="3009">And now, like, Pete's in disarray. Like, he's renaming his podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3013" data-t="3013">Like, it's like, it's all over the place.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3016">50:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3016" data-t="3016">Yeah. Pete's having a crisis of identity. I mean, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3020" data-t="3020">I you cannot you can't you can't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3024" data-t="3024">hold him too responsible. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3026" data-t="3026">he was the biggest Bitcoin podcaster. He carried that load. It's like when Jay Leno retired, he didn't know what to do. He ultimately had to come back and I think, you know, it happens in sports, a quarterback retires.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3038" data-t="3038">They have to come back, and he's gotta come back to the game. And I think Peter's gonna realize</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3042" data-t="3042">that he's gotta come back to the game or maybe he won't.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3045">50:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3045" data-t="3045">But right now, he he's going through it. Yeah. No. It's, sorry.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3050">50:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3050" data-t="3050">The important thing to know about Peter</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3052" data-t="3052">is he's just like Piers Morgan.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3055" data-t="3055">Or</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3056" data-t="3056">yeah. Piers Morgan.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3057" data-t="3057">He's like he's like the altcoin of Piers Morgan.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3060" data-t="3060">You know what I mean? And they're they're they're so similar in so many ways.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3064">51:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3064" data-t="3064">And the primary one, Andrew Tate pointed out, is that they're both fat and gay. Then they oh, yeah. They did they both do a good job of just</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3073">51:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3073" data-t="3073">saying things that make their guests</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3076" data-t="3076">really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3078" data-t="3078">feel like they have to explain it much better.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3082">51:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3082" data-t="3082">That was always Peter's superpower. It was being like, boy, I'm a British man. I don't know anything about Bitcoin. I just run a Bitcoin podcast. Explain it to me. Like, I'm British.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3091">51:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3091" data-t="3091">That was basically like, it it was a power unlock for him. Yeah. He was teaching he was teaching his listeners how to orange pill all these different people. He was teaching, you know, teaching him teaching him how to to to orange pill from a macro perspective by talking to Lynn</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3104" data-t="3104">or a privacy perspective or whatever it was whatever perspective you came out of Peter knew how to act like a dumb noob.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3110">51:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3110" data-t="3110">He also, like, I think those I don't know for sure. I'm assuming those Lynn Alden podcasts were the highest viewed ones too. So you just have a really strong macro,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3119" data-t="3119">like, power projection. Like, I think, like, Peter kind of brought in the the macro meta when it came to podcasting because all the other podcasters saw, wait. If you just talk macro,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3128" data-t="3128">your numbers are gonna go through the roof, and that just increases your influence.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3132">52:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3132" data-t="3132">Yeah. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3133" data-t="3133">these these British people, like, it needs to be publicly said more.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3139" data-t="3139">Like, there's so much emphasis on these different groups, like, you know, like the Jews,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3144" data-t="3144">for example. Like everybody wants to talk about the Jews.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3147" data-t="3147">But nobody wants to talk about the British people,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3150" data-t="3150">about how stupid they are. And and there's been this sigh off</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3154">52:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3154" data-t="3154">for decades. For decades.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3157" data-t="3157">Of like, you know, every audio book you hear for the most part up until recently</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3162" data-t="3162">was read by a British person. Like, there's a psy op that British people were smart.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3167" data-t="3167">They're not smart.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3168" data-t="3168">They drive on the wrong side of the road and they arrest people for memes. They're stupid and Peter's fat and gay. I just think the the message is don't</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3177">52:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3177" data-t="3177">don't get orange pilled. Don't let yourself get orange pilled by somebody with</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3181" data-t="3181">with a funny talker.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3183">53:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3183" data-t="3183">Well, here's the more Bitcoin podcasters, but we don't need any more British Bitcoin podcast.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3188">53:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3188" data-t="3188">Well, let's think about it this way. This is actually an idea that I had recently was that you you know, the idea of, like, Eskimo Brothers. Right? Right? If you've been with someone and they've been with someone, then you're Eskimo Brothers. Well, absolutely. Pete is the center</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3201" data-t="3201">of the Bitcoin podcasting Eskimo Brother network. Everyone who listens everyone gets in through Peter McCormack, and he knows everyone, like and and the podcast they go on. Like, my first Bitcoin podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3214" data-t="3214">was what Bitcoin did before I even started Anchor Watch</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3217" data-t="3217">in 2021.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3218" data-t="3218">I did a whole episode with him. And so he like, when you look at it, like, his web of influence of how many people he's orange pilled and how many podcasts I think he'll have been on his podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3229" data-t="3229">He also does not often do other people's podcasts, which is a big power move. Right? He's like, you have to come to me. Like, just like Joe Rogan. Yeah. I if I would say</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3238">53:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3238" data-t="3238">that Peter McCormick is Bitcoin is like the Genghis Khan of Eskimo Brothers in the Bitcoin podcast community. If you're a Bitcoin podcaster, there's a one in five chance</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3248">54:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3248" data-t="3248">that you're asking about brothers with Peter McCormick. I mean, interesting to see how Danny does.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3253" data-t="3253">Stop that, and I'm not convinced he's gay.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3256" data-t="3256">He talks stupidly. But, you know, there's, like, a handful of British people that don't talk that I would give a pass. But we should always you know, like, every time you see a terrorist attack,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3266" data-t="3266">you have to assume it's the CIA.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3268" data-t="3268">Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3270" data-t="3270">Every time you hear a British</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3272">54:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3272" data-t="3272">podcast I think I think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3275" data-t="3275">Danny is kind of the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3277" data-t="3277">test pilot</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3278" data-t="3278">for the idea. Like, if Joe Rogan retires, can Jamie take over? Can y'all Jamie take over the Joe Rogan Bitcoin bot? Or it will be the Bitcoin podcast by then. But can can if Danny could take over for Pete,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3292" data-t="3292">the Navy to happen.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3294">54:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3294" data-t="3294">I went on Danny's podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3296" data-t="3296">I went in the rebranding what Vic Quin did. I was actually the second episode. And for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3301" data-t="3301">knowing Pete and Danny for years, it was always that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3305" data-t="3305">Danny is the looks and the brains of the operation.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3308" data-t="3308">Danny has always been the best guy at the shop there. So I'm happy that he's getting a shot on goal to kinda let everyone see how</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3316" data-t="3316">how good he is at his job.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3319">55:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3319" data-t="3319">It's, I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3321" data-t="3321">I'm I'm very bullish, especially because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3324" data-t="3324">Danny did the most important thing with a Bitcoin podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3328" data-t="3328">You start it when the price is up.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3330" data-t="3330">You just bring everyone in. The price is up. Bitcoin has won. It's never going down again, and you have this you know, that's now Danny's legacy.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3339">55:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3339" data-t="3339">He's got Shiller SEO.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3341">55:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3341" data-t="3341">The</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3342" data-t="3342">Peter quit, and the price ripped. It's almost like Bitcoin was saying,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3347" data-t="3347">I made you. You didn't make me. Right? Bitcoin was putting Peter in his place. Very interesting.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3353">55:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3353" data-t="3353">Everybody gets humbled by Bitcoin.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3356">55:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3356" data-t="3356">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3357" data-t="3357">You start your Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3359" data-t="3359">as you deserve. Yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3361">56:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3361" data-t="3361">I feel like one of the things so, like, Peter Peter is really good at hiding</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3365" data-t="3365">the fact</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3366" data-t="3366">that he was fat and gay. He,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3369" data-t="3369">you know, he would offset</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3370" data-t="3370">his gayness</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3372" data-t="3372">with</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3373">56:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3373" data-t="3373">being based.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3374" data-t="3374">Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3375" data-t="3375">So, like,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3377">56:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3377" data-t="3377">he he it's kinda That's not uncommon. That's not uncommon.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3381">56:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3381" data-t="3381">Yeah. I mean, you know that you know that meme, the the green dot, green dot, green dot, red dot. Mhmm.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3387" data-t="3387">Green, green, green, red. This scenario, the way that Peter did what Bitcoin did, it was like the green dots were him being gay,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3396" data-t="3396">and the red dots were him being based.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3399" data-t="3399">But, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3400" data-t="3400">the fact that he was based, it, like, tricked people into thinking that he actually was based</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3407" data-t="3407">even though he was only based a small percentage of the time.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3411">56:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3411" data-t="3411">And so that's one of the things that Danny has to prove.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3415" data-t="3415">A lot of people didn't realize how gay Peter was until Andrew Tate called him gay. And if you're getting called gay</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3421" data-t="3421">by Andrew Tate, it probably means you're gay. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3425" data-t="3425">So Danny Danny has to prove.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3429" data-t="3429">What I would like to see from Danny is I would like to see</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3432" data-t="3432">base podcast, base podcast, base podcast, gay podcast.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3437">57:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3437" data-t="3437">Okay. I would accept that.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3439">57:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3439" data-t="3439">Interesting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3441" data-t="3441">Also, he just dropped one today about,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3444" data-t="3444">China's involvement in rolling Bitcoin. I'll have to listen to and give you a verdict on if it's based or deck. So far, they've been pretty based.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3450">57:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3450" data-t="3450">I I real I've I've liked all the episodes so far. What what have been some of the biggest shifts that you so you're very enmeshed in the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3458" data-t="3458">media ecosystem,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3460" data-t="3460">being on the PodCon tour.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3463" data-t="3463">What have you seen be some of the biggest shifts entering into Trump's America</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3468" data-t="3468">and leaving Biden's America</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3470" data-t="3470">because there's been you can you can say things that you couldn't say before. Like, you can say gay and retarded. Retarded's bad.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3477">57:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3477" data-t="3477">Yeah. Retarded's definitely bad. So bad.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3480" data-t="3480">HR departments everywhere are screeching.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3484">58:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3484" data-t="3484">They don't like it, but there's nothing they can do. What's interesting compared to Trump's second term compared to his first term is it's now way more socially acceptable to be supporting of Trump.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3495" data-t="3495">Right? So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3496" data-t="3496">even,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3498" data-t="3498">you you almost had, like, Trump was on the back foot coming in. It was this whole Russia conspiracy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3503" data-t="3503">that ended up just being actually Hillary Clinton fan fiction with the Steele dossier. Like, it wasn't real. Like, I'm surprised she isn't one, like, you know, like a Pulitzer yet for her</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3512" data-t="3512">beautifully fake story.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3515">58:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3515" data-t="3515">On a medal of freedom.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3516">58:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3516" data-t="3516">She did win a medal of freedom. Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3519" data-t="3519">Her, George Soros,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3522" data-t="3522">There's a couple other people that were in there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3526" data-t="3526">A lot of actors and stuff.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3528" data-t="3528">But I think the ability for people to freely express themselves is there. And I think on the entrepreneurial side, there's the feeling of we are so back</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3535" data-t="3535">that people are like, Trump's like like, the whole Overton window has been blown out. Trump's talking about</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3540">58:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3540" data-t="3540">conquest, manifest destiny. Like, let's take Greenland. Let's take back the Panama Canal. Let's take Canada. Right? Like, I think the only the like, that that's like if you're if you're ranking, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3550" data-t="3550">different kinds of people, Canadians are just total, like, we should just move the border 50 miles north. And if we did that, we would be able to basically make a territory of, like, 80 of the Canadian population.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3562" data-t="3562">I heard a pretty great theory the other day was we should just offer one to one currency conversion for any Canadian who wants to become a citizen, and then it would just totally deplete their entire tax base. And what we do is we just print money to do it. Right? It's not like we're actually gonna, like, make that money come from somewhere.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3577" data-t="3577">But I think the entrepreneurial sense of, like, America exceptionalism that America is good. We could talk about that again without having to have 75 asterisks</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3584" data-t="3584">of all of the problems America's ever had before because, ultimately, America is the best we got in the world.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3591">59:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3591" data-t="3591">So you have the sense of freedom of expression, the freedom to do business, the freedom to think, the freedom to have challenging and contrarian ideas. I think these are all things that are,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3602" data-t="3602">for a very long time, there was a basic narrative media control</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3607" data-t="3607">that certain positions were just, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3610" data-t="3610">really, really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3612" data-t="3612">edgy and controversial, but they were totally mainstream.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3615" data-t="3615">Right? Like, if, like, during the pandemic that,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3619">1:00:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3619" data-t="3619">you know, like, the whole, like, masking and shutting down schools, like, you were a heretic if you were like, hey, I think if you put masks on six year olds, you're actually gonna, like, stunt their development as people. And then, like, they'd be putting masks on, like, one year olds or, like, parents will be wearing masks all the time, and then they find out that, like, oh, wait a second. Kids are having slower language development because kids learn by watching people talk. Right? Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3642" data-t="3642">it's, like, all of these things that were, like, oh, like, that's obscene. That's a conspiracy theory. The Wuhan</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3647" data-t="3647">conspiracy theory? The wetland the wetland market conspiracy theory?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3650" data-t="3650">Like, all of these things were,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3653" data-t="3653">like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3654" data-t="3654">there was a total inversion of, like, what sensible people were able to figure out on their own versus what was the official media story. And I think all of that's falling apart now. Right. That that the rule on what web story is the perfect example of what I'm thinking about, which is</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3667">1:01:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3667" data-t="3667">it was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3668" data-t="3668">the the compliant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3670" data-t="3670">response</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3671" data-t="3671">to how what where did COVID come from was to say that a bunch of Chinese people were having sex with bats and eating bat soup and that's how they got COVID.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3680" data-t="3680">It was the non compliant,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3683" data-t="3683">answer was</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3684">1:01:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3684" data-t="3684">that these labs they're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3686" data-t="3686">called the you know, the virus comes from the city with the place called the Wuhan, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3693" data-t="3693">institution of where? Viral studies,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3695" data-t="3695">and it was engineered and we'd like to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3698" data-t="3698">say that Chinese were just a bunch of savages eating bats was the compliant thing like to way to approach it. And it just seems like we're getting to the point now where we're rewriting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3708" data-t="3708">the playbook</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3709">1:01:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3709" data-t="3709">on what it means to be compliant. And, like, your your compliance was was not the right way. He It did not work. Here's the big shout out though. You know who really broke that story and, like, shifted the Overton window? Wasn't in was a journalist.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3723" data-t="3723">It was Jon Stewart. Jon</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3725" data-t="3725">Stewart is one of, like, the 2,000 era's leading journalists came forward and made that he and a podcaster. He came out with that whole thing about, like, oh, you're telling me in Hirsch, Pennsylvania that there's rivers of chocolate in the street, and it's not because of the chocolate factory up the road. Right? That was a moment where journalists kinda really broke the story and shifted the whole five step. It it it's almost like, was it invented or discovered? Did John Stewart</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3748">1:02:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3748" data-t="3748">and like, did he</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3750" data-t="3750">was he that turning point or did he just discover</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3754">1:02:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3754" data-t="3754">through, you know, that everybody was already thinking that? It's a good point. We had to get Shinobi on to get his opinion on it. I think what probably happened there is the CIA</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3764" data-t="3764">realized they've accomplished their goals and were prepared to shift the narrative. What do you think was, like, the ticker of success? Like, what were they like? Okay. Mission accomplished. We can roll back now.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3774" data-t="3774">Getting everyone to mask up and sit in their house. Like, okay. We actually, we can actually make them do this. We're getting the giant government contracts and billions of dollars for Pfizer and Moderna.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3784">1:03:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3784" data-t="3784">Probably a big part of it was consolidating the banking industry.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3788" data-t="3788">I think that would be part of it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3791" data-t="3791">Also</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3792" data-t="3792">accomplishing some foreign</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3795" data-t="3795">goals, like the taking of Syria pretty recently. It was a big one.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3801" data-t="3801">There's a lot</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3803">1:03:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3803" data-t="3803">of lot of geopolitical</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3805" data-t="3805">stuff. I mean, they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3807" data-t="3807">I I think they realized people were getting pretty upset. Like, Disney was losing a lot of money.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3814" data-t="3814">People were just kinda angry about,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3817" data-t="3817">the price of gas and stuff. And they're like, okay.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3821" data-t="3821">We need people to, like, feel bullish again.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3824">1:03:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3824" data-t="3824">Like, Bitcoin's going down.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3826" data-t="3826">Life</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3827" data-t="3827">sucks. We need them to feel bullish again. And let's give them a reason to feel bullish,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3832" data-t="3832">which is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3834" data-t="3834">digital IDs</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3836" data-t="3836">and using Tether.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3838">1:03:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3838" data-t="3838">Well, they they may have done that, but what they I don't think they accounted for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3843" data-t="3843">was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3844" data-t="3844">in the process, they orange pilled a lot of feds. We orange pilled a lot of feds, and it's it backfired on them. It's gonna backfire on them. That's the thing is they're doing all this dragnet surveillance on Bitcoin. What's the best way to do that? Listen to Bitcoin podcasts.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3858">1:04:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3858" data-t="3858">Right? So now we have, like, the direct line where, you know, Marty Marty Ben sometimes will be like, hey,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3864" data-t="3864">you know, my Fed handler,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3866" data-t="3866">don't don't misunderstand what I'm saying. They're having an active dialogue.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3870" data-t="3870">It's almost like the Bitcoin podcasters are are one upping the psyop game and they realize the position that they've arrived at and that they can now influence the influencers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3879" data-t="3879">at the CIA.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3881">1:04:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3881" data-t="3881">There's, there's nobody</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3883" data-t="3883">that I want to listen to my Bitcoin podcast more than my Fed.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3888" data-t="3888">I hope he's listening.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3890">1:04:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3890" data-t="3890">Like, I hope he I hope I'm his favorite Bitcoin podcast. You should strive to be your Fed's favorite Bitcoin podcaster. It's a good point. I wonder one day, maybe when this is all said and done, the Feds can come out and do their own kind of power tier rankings of their favorite Bitcoin podcasts. I think that's really important, and I think it's something that we should really demand</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3909">1:05:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3909" data-t="3909">of the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3910" data-t="3910">government in transparency</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3912" data-t="3912">is for them to actually</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3913" data-t="3913">like, there was a lot of criticism</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3915" data-t="3915">this past week of, Elon Musk</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3918" data-t="3918">and the x social credit score.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3922">1:05:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3922" data-t="3922">All of that stuff, I think, should be public. Like, you know, we should be able to get</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3927" data-t="3927">a FOIA request</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3929" data-t="3929">answered</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3931" data-t="3931">as far as what our Fed's opinions over Bitcoin podcast are. Because this is really,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3936" data-t="3936">really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3937" data-t="3937">just kinda like one of the insidious parts of mass surveillance</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3941">1:05:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3941" data-t="3941">is just a one way dialogue.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3944" data-t="3944">And democracy is about having a two way dialogue.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3947">1:05:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3947" data-t="3947">Right? We should be FOIA requesting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3949" data-t="3949">what their, fountain account counts are so we know who who they're streaming, who they're boosting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3954" data-t="3954">Like, all that stuff should be public because it's all government dollars anyway that are paying for those SaaS streaming.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3959">1:05:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3959" data-t="3959">The better feedback you get</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3962" data-t="3962">about how good your podcast is, the more sats you're gonna get boosted to you, and the more you're gonna be able to afford your taxes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3969" data-t="3969">They this doesn't just benefit us. It benefits them.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3973">1:06:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3973" data-t="3973">Have you thought too that maybe</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3975" data-t="3975">part of, like, a government influence operation on Bitcoin podcasts</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3980" data-t="3980">is buying the boosts to control the conversation.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3984" data-t="3984">People that are boosting may also be part of the Fed group. Audience capture by Feds. I mean, yeah, your your podcast could be audience captured by votes for sure. You start getting I think that happens all the time. You start getting fountain booths that are like, hey, we shall go to the we shall go to the new Governor's Mansion and and, kidnap the governor like they did in Michigan. Right? That was all a bunch of feds just trying to coerce people. Like, primarily not too far off from that being more actively part of trying to,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4009">1:06:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4009" data-t="4009">shift that narrative and being able to, you know, basically create sleeper cells. That just shows you the power of Bitcoin podcast players to to organize people. I think that's why it's a good idea to, like, really be able to evaluate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4021" data-t="4021">the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4022" data-t="4022">the types of schemes people are trying to pitch you. You know what I mean? Like, we know we know that kidnapping governors</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4028" data-t="4028">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4029" data-t="4029">protesting in government buildings</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4033" data-t="4033">are</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4035">1:07:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4035" data-t="4035">ran by the feds,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4036" data-t="4036">and they're gonna get you if you do that. So it's a bad idea. So we probably need, like, a good list of, like, non compliant activities that aren't entrapment schemes.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4045">1:07:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4045" data-t="4045">Yeah. Yeah. One of the things we talked about on one of our first podcast episodes was never talk to somebody at a Bitcoin conference. He's wearing a Monero t shirt because they're Feds.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4055">1:07:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4055" data-t="4055">That's right. That's right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4058" data-t="4058">Another good one is you don't what</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4062" data-t="4062">you don't wanna sell, like, a a gun with a bump stock or sawed off shotgun</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4068" data-t="4068">to somebody</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4069" data-t="4069">in a non KYC Bitcoin transaction, even even if it's legal in your state, you know, because,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4074" data-t="4074">like, that's that's what launched off Ruby Ridge. Right? Totally.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4080">1:08:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4080" data-t="4080">I've been really confused. I keep going on Twitter and people are talking about an SBR, SBR, SBR, and I'm like, we're all buying NFA stamp stamp. We're all paying our taxes and buying</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4090" data-t="4090">the National Firearm Act stamps for our short barreled rifles.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4093" data-t="4093">It took me a while to realize we're talking about strategic Bitcoin reserves. I'm not gonna lie.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4098">1:08:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4098" data-t="4098">I I thought the SBR this whole time was,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4101" data-t="4101">had to do with Google's new quantum computer that's able</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4105" data-t="4105">to do an analysis on people's Twitter posts to determine whether their state is Bitcoin or not. Hell, yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4113" data-t="4113">Well</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4114" data-t="4114">This way you wanna be wait. Go ahead.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4117">1:08:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4117" data-t="4117">That's what you get for even Mark Goodwin, Tweets. Literally. Mark have you had Mark Goodwin on yet? Oh. We do wanna get Mark on, but we we're trying we're weighing until he's a a little more bullish. He's a little too bearish right now. We don't want him to bring down our bull market podcasting vibe. That's right. I don't know. I feel like Whitney</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4135">1:08:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4135" data-t="4135">and Mark are more bullish than any of us. I don't know if you heard you guys heard Whitney Webb on,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4142" data-t="4142">on Jimmy Dore this week.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4144" data-t="4144">No. She she was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4146" data-t="4146">she was so bullish. She was talking about how the the SBR</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4151" data-t="4151">is gonna pump Bitcoin so hard</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4154" data-t="4154">to trillions of dollars. So she's like, like, my bull call is 2,000,000,000,000 USDT per coin. That's gonna be the top of this cycle.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4163">1:09:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4163" data-t="4163">She was way above that. Wow. I don't know why anybody's calling embarrassed. But, yeah, we we're we're gonna get Mark on at the right time for sure.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4172">1:09:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4172" data-t="4172">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4173" data-t="4173">Although rule number one, as I see it, is that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4177" data-t="4177">a Bitcoin podcaster should never be respectful to the listener's time. We do wanna be respectful to the guest time.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4185" data-t="4185">So I did,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4186" data-t="4186">Richard, are you ready to get into the, fountain moose?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4190">1:09:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4190" data-t="4190">Sure. Do that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4192" data-t="4192">Rob, do you have anything that you would like to tell our listeners</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4196" data-t="4196">or maybe address</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4198" data-t="4198">any of the, Podkoff?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4200">1:10:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4200" data-t="4200">Yeah. The last word. I mean, on the Podkoff stuff, not Podkoff. Funny enough, when I was at the sailor yacht, I took a moment to kind of, you know, take a look at,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4211" data-t="4211">it's a funny story. I was, sitting on the couches towards the end of the night, and I've opened up my phone on Twitter to see all the engagement, everything that was going on. And I flipped over to the PodCon feed to see what they were tweeting about for the party. And Steven Lupka sat down next to me and saw me look at the PodCon</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4225" data-t="4225">Twitter account.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4226" data-t="4226">First off, you would have been able to see I don't have the PodCon account because my profile doesn't have the PodCon account there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4234" data-t="4234">I am a clean, honest Bitcoin podcaster. I am not part of the PodCon complex.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4241" data-t="4241">On</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4242">1:10:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob Hamilton</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4242" data-t="4242">on other fronts for that though,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4244" data-t="4244">just for anything else,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4246" data-t="4246">if you wanna learn more about what I'm doing, just follow me on Twitter, Rob one Ham, fingerwatch.com.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4252" data-t="4252">But for I wanna give a huge shout out to you guys at the Bugle because I've been listeners since the first episode.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4258" data-t="4258">And I thought you guys have been doing an incredible job. I've been having a lot of fun following you guys along. You put out great content</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4264" data-t="4264">on Twitter. Love that you guys are only on found. I think you guys are committed to the mission. It's been a lovely time having me on, so thank you.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4272">1:11:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4272" data-t="4272">I just wanna say we're not only on Fountain. We are on Spotify,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4276" data-t="4276">but you can't pay us on Spotify. So that's why we always we we push Fountain. We're not we're not on Apple because they wanted</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4285">1:11:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4285" data-t="4285">KYC.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4287" data-t="4287">Podcast shouldn't require KYC in my opinion. Non KYC podcast for sure. That was a that was a hill I was gonna die on. I wasn't gonna KYC with Apple.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4297" data-t="4297">I tried I tried some roundabout ways to to get around their their KYC, but they they stopped me in their tracks. It's it's really hard</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4305" data-t="4305">to get a phone number with Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4309" data-t="4309">that passes their</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4311" data-t="4311">their gates,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4312">1:11:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4312" data-t="4312">essentially. Interesting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4314" data-t="4314">Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4316" data-t="4316">I remember back in the days of online telephones. You didn't you didn't need to plug your phone number into anything. You know what I mean? I mean, it was it was kinda like a public Bitcoin address almost, but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4327" data-t="4327">so I guess that was a little bit different.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4330">1:12:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4330" data-t="4330">But whatever. Did you try it? Did you try it with Tether on Tron? So she</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4335">1:12:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4335" data-t="4335">no.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4336" data-t="4336">Can you buy a phone number with Tether on Tron?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4339">1:12:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4339" data-t="4339">I think that's how everybody buys phones and phone numbers in certain countries in Central America, South America.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4346">1:12:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4346" data-t="4346">Well, I mean, here's the shift that I've been seeing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4349" data-t="4349">kind of globally, which is really interesting is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4353" data-t="4353">they're getting away from, like, issuing you, like, actual</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4356" data-t="4356">SIM cards, like, with numbers.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4359" data-t="4359">They're doing data plans</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4362" data-t="4362">primarily,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4364">1:12:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4364" data-t="4364">which is problematic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4365" data-t="4365">for,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4366" data-t="4366">verifying with all these online services.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4369" data-t="4369">But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4371" data-t="4371">whatever. Might maybe we'll have to use Monero on that one. I I have no idea.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4375" data-t="4375">I don't I don't I don't even think that will work because, you know, whoever's taking Monero is probably a fat. Right? You're gonna go buy</span></span></p>
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