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Episode</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4" data-t="4">three or four of, Behind the Podcast where we're talking to mostly so far, it's been Bitcoin podcasters. So we are joined by a, colleague.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-15" data-t="15">She's the first</span> <span class="cue" id="t-17" data-t="17">female guest that we've had out and I think the first</span> <span class="cue" id="t-21" data-t="21">socialist guest that we've had</span> <span class="cue" id="t-24" data-t="24">but not the first Bitcoin podcast, which is what I'm trying to say. So we're talking to,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-29">0:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-29" data-t="29">to to Margo.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-30" data-t="30">You might know her as Jin Erso</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-32">0:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-32" data-t="32">on, Twitter. How's it going, Margo? Oh, it's going great. Thank you for having me. I'm really honored to be part of this show.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-41">0:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-41" data-t="41">What is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-42" data-t="42">you know, how many how many episodes of the Progressive Bitcoin or or the the Progressive Bitcoin podcast have, you've done so far?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-52">0:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-52" data-t="52">So we just released our second episode this week, of me</span> <span class="cue" id="t-56" data-t="56">being the host of the show.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-58" data-t="58">So we're doing it once a month.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-61" data-t="61">So, yeah, you know, it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-63" data-t="63">keeping it chill,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-64" data-t="64">playing around with the format.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-66">1:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-66" data-t="66">It's been fun so far. Were you nervous before your first the first one? I know I was I was shaking in my baits for my first one.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-74" data-t="74">I remember that date very clearly.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-77">1:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-77" data-t="77">No. No. I wasn't nervous because I actually, I brought on a friend</span> <span class="cue" id="t-82" data-t="82">to on on the first episode, so I actually have known Alan</span> <span class="cue" id="t-86" data-t="86">Minsky</span> <span class="cue" id="t-87" data-t="87">since</span> <span class="cue" id="t-88" data-t="88">I was reporting on occupy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-91" data-t="91">on the occupy movement. That's how I met. And, actually, he opened a lot of doors for me</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-96">1:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-96" data-t="96">doing this kind of work. So he brought me to the local radio station, and I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-102" data-t="102">was a produce like, co producer or exec no. What was that? Oh, yeah. I was the super duper associate producer</span> <span class="cue" id="t-108" data-t="108">on a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-109" data-t="109">on a political show there, and I also did some reporting for the evening news. So I have a background</span> <span class="cue" id="t-116" data-t="116">in this, so I wasn't really nervous.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-122" data-t="122">I was a journalist.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-125">2:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-125" data-t="125">Yeah. I mean, in in a previous life, I was a journalist. I I was like, I decided to go to go back to school, to graduate school,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-135" data-t="135">because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-137" data-t="137">it's really hard to make money as a journalist. So I was like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-141" data-t="141">you know, my options are I'm gonna be,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-145" data-t="145">like on local news. And I did I did,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-149" data-t="149">like, this journalist broadcast journalist camp thing. And</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-153">2:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-153" data-t="153">it was it was really uncomfortable because all the women that were there</span> <span class="cue" id="t-158" data-t="158">were dressed in tiny little outfits and everybody behind</span> <span class="cue" id="t-161" data-t="161">the cameras were men.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-163" data-t="163">And it was just, yeah, it was really an odd dynamic.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-167" data-t="167">And that and they were talking about, like, getting agents and stuff. I'm like, I was just, you know, trying to do reporting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-173" data-t="173">This is not for me. I think I'm just gonna stick to being a scientist then.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-177">2:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-177" data-t="177">So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-178" data-t="178">yeah. So I I kinda stepped away from that. So, yeah, it's kinda my return, my return to journalism,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-184" data-t="184">but it was more of a talking head.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-186">3:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-186" data-t="186">Yeah. I mean, I know I know that Richard can share his story because he had a similar story where he had to walk away</span> <span class="cue" id="t-194" data-t="194">from journalism. But even as a Bitcoin podcaster, doing the bugle,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-198" data-t="198">you notice that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-201" data-t="201">some people are just there to go to parties and the Bitcoin conferences, and some people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-206" data-t="206">are there</span> <span class="cue" id="t-207" data-t="207">to, to be Bitcoin podcasters and to, to study game theory, you know, with their guests.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-213">3:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-213" data-t="213">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-215" data-t="215">yeah. So we get it. We get it. Yeah. So, but it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-218" data-t="218">another thing is like a few years ago, it used to be common</span> <span class="cue" id="t-222" data-t="222">that, you know, it's tough, like you said, to, to necessarily make it as a journalist, that they'd get laid off and they would be told to learn to code.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-231" data-t="231">And now it's I think it's journalists are having to learn to podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-236" data-t="236">Would you agree with</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-237">3:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-237" data-t="237">that? Yeah. You gotta learn to podcast. You gotta learn to substack.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-241" data-t="241">You gotta learn to just,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-243" data-t="243">you know, be your own</span> <span class="cue" id="t-244" data-t="244">create your own cult of personality.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-247" data-t="247">I mean, that's my goal.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-248" data-t="248">In fact, I was just, you know, I was just talking about this with my friend, Shinobi.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-253">4:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-253" data-t="253">I was like, Shinobi, I need to create a cult of personality so that I can,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-257" data-t="257">you know, get rich off of NFTs. So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-260" data-t="260">yeah, that's my that's my ultimate goal.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-263" data-t="263">As a as a as a journalist running the Progressive Bitcoiner,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-266" data-t="266">I'm really hoping</span> <span class="cue" id="t-269" data-t="269">to get rich off of NFTs.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-271">4:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-271" data-t="271">I'm doing it for Podcap because they disapproved me, and I'm</span> <span class="cue" id="t-275" data-t="275">having second thoughts about this disapproval.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-278">4:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-278" data-t="278">Yeah. Well, I do have to say, Shinobi,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-282" data-t="282">according to a lot of women,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-284" data-t="284">is pretty hot.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-288">4:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-288" data-t="288">I mean, I have never seen</span> <span class="cue" id="t-290" data-t="290">Shinobi's face, obviously,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-292" data-t="292">so I couldn't say,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-295" data-t="295">because, you know, he's always covered up at conferences.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-299">4:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-299" data-t="299">Right. But If he doesn't know better, you'd think he was knee seeks.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-303">5:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-303" data-t="303">If I didn't I mean, I for a long time, I thought underneath</span> <span class="cue" id="t-307" data-t="307">the mask, you know, like the COVID mask and the sunglasses that he was mee Sikhs.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-313" data-t="313">And that time</span> <span class="cue" id="t-315" data-t="315">in July at Nashville when he showed up as me six, I You thought he was naked on stage?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-322" data-t="322">Yeah. I thought</span> <span class="cue" id="t-324" data-t="324">I thought that he was that was, like, his coming out thing.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-329">5:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-329" data-t="329">So So the first time you saw it, Chennobi, you thought he was coming out. Okay. Coming out. Yeah. I thought he was coming out. Like, just like, you know, I'm no longer gonna be so privacy. My name is gonna let everybody know who I am. I'm me Sikhs.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-343" data-t="343">So, it was kind of, yeah, it really confused me when I realized he wasn't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-350" data-t="350">meeseeks underneath the mask.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-353" data-t="353">I'm still working through that. And</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-355">5:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-355" data-t="355">what,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-357" data-t="357">what what what kind of cult of personality did you decide</span> <span class="cue" id="t-362" data-t="362">that she needed to build</span> <span class="cue" id="t-364" data-t="364">or that she wanted to build?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-366" data-t="366">You know, that gets the men have a saying that he</span> <span class="cue" id="t-370" data-t="370">who makes a meme out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-375">6:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-375" data-t="375">man. Like, why was what was yours? Like, what was your, you wanted to make NFTs and be a shit quencher. Is that what you said? Yeah. I mean, I I'm really inspired by this by Donald Donald Trump and the cult of personality around him. I know I am a an anarcho</span> <span class="cue" id="t-389" data-t="389">socialist.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-390" data-t="390">I'm an anarchist and a socialist. I'm anti capitalist. But on the other hand, I feel like, you know, Bitcoin right now is going through huge transition. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-398" data-t="398">yeah, I don't know. I just thought, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-401" data-t="401">if Trump can do it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-403" data-t="403">and still have David Bailey support him,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-407">6:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-407" data-t="407">and give him money and, you know, build a whole empire and conference around Trump even though he's, like, showing wouldn't do that if somebody wasn't a true Bitcoiner.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-418" data-t="418">Yeah. So I feel like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-420" data-t="420">this is the natural progression.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-422" data-t="422">So my hope is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-424" data-t="424">I can build a cult of personality like Trump in this space</span> <span class="cue" id="t-429" data-t="429">and</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-431">7:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-431" data-t="431">get David Bailey to, you know, give me all of his money.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-436" data-t="436">Hell yeah. All this Bitcoin. Yeah. And maybe I could sell him an NFT, you know?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-440">7:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-440" data-t="440">I'm,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-441" data-t="441">so I'm curious. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-443" data-t="443">one of the things</span> <span class="cue" id="t-445" data-t="445">that many people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-447" data-t="447">that are more left leaning</span> <span class="cue" id="t-449" data-t="449">believe in culturally</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-451">7:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-451" data-t="451">is gender equality.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-453" data-t="453">Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-454" data-t="454">And so I have this concern</span> <span class="cue" id="t-456" data-t="456">that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-457" data-t="457">men</span> <span class="cue" id="t-459" data-t="459">are gonna</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-460">7:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-460" data-t="460">have serious issues selling</span> <span class="cue" id="t-462" data-t="462">meme coins</span> <span class="cue" id="t-463" data-t="463">and NFTs</span> <span class="cue" id="t-464" data-t="464">this cycle, and there's gonna be a massive,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-469" data-t="469">gender pay gap there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-473" data-t="473">Even even if</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-475">7:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-475" data-t="475">people think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-476" data-t="476">these individuals</span> <span class="cue" id="t-478" data-t="478">like Shinobi are hot,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-480" data-t="480">I don't think Shinobi is gonna be able to sell very many,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-483" data-t="483">NFTs because there's just not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-487" data-t="487">enough women in Bitcoin to support the the demand side to keep up with all the men that will buy women's NFTs.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-495">8:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-495" data-t="495">I I think the only way that that really gets fixed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-499" data-t="499">is for these Bitcoin companies to grow so big.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-503" data-t="503">That's so there's such a big demand for HR</span> <span class="cue" id="t-508" data-t="508">that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-510" data-t="510">they have to listen to their employees' podcast to make sure that they're, you know, essentially comply</span> <span class="cue" id="t-517" data-t="517">it. And that's the only way Shinobi could compete</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-520">8:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-520" data-t="520">in selling NFTs. But, like, how do we deal with this issue,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-525" data-t="525">which is the coming</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-527">8:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-527" data-t="527">gender pay gap in regards to meme coins? This is a really, really important question. I'm really glad you asked it because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-534" data-t="534">gender equality</span> <span class="cue" id="t-536" data-t="536">and closing the pay gap is really important for progressive Bitcoiners.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-541" data-t="541">I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-542" data-t="542">we just we believe in an equal society. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-546" data-t="546">yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-547">9:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-547" data-t="547">I think there's no easy answer.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-549" data-t="549">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-551" data-t="551">one possibility,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-552" data-t="552">you you know, is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-554" data-t="554">it's just a transition.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-557" data-t="557">Become a woman</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-558">9:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-558" data-t="558">and and fix the, you know, the the supply. I mean, there's plenty of supply, so fix the demand side. Become a woman.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-565" data-t="565">And I think if more Bitcoin men</span> <span class="cue" id="t-569" data-t="569">transitioned</span> <span class="cue" id="t-570" data-t="570">into being trans women, we could solve this gender pay gap. So I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful that trans ideology will</span> <span class="cue" id="t-578" data-t="578">go mainstream this cycle in Bitcoin, and we start to see</span> <span class="cue" id="t-583" data-t="583">a lot more people come out this way and and,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-587">9:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-587" data-t="587">you know, declare</span> <span class="cue" id="t-589" data-t="589">their love</span> <span class="cue" id="t-591" data-t="591">for shinobi</span> <span class="cue" id="t-592" data-t="592">and buy his NFTs so that he, you know, he doesn't starve. His compliance token. You know, he's gotta buy his own compliance token. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I I really don't wanna see him starve just because he's a man. Well Yeah. I this is this is where</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-608">10:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-608" data-t="608">this is why I have to disagree.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-611" data-t="611">I agree with you. What you're try what you're saying is what you're trying to do.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-616" data-t="616">But what's really happening</span> <span class="cue" id="t-619" data-t="619">is the leftist HR ladies are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-622" data-t="622">convincing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-624" data-t="624">the government to let to let shitcoins just run rampant because</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-629">10:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-629" data-t="629">they know that men will buy a bunch of shit coins. And then when the market crashes and it gets to zero,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-636" data-t="636">that loss, those capital losses will offset the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-640" data-t="640">salaries that they make that are higher. And it will it'll it'll it'll</span> <span class="cue" id="t-644" data-t="644">close the gender pay gap basically that 30% of their net worth that they lose</span> <span class="cue" id="t-648" data-t="648">makes up for the salary.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-650" data-t="650">But that is that's in the tab. That's it. That is traumatizing.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-654">10:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-654" data-t="654">That is destroying families. It's hurting men and men are the victims here.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-659" data-t="659">And the answer is not, that's why they are turning. They're they're transitioning and they're they're becoming,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-665" data-t="665">shit. You know, the only way to make their money back is to become female shitcoin NFT salesman.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-670" data-t="670">Yeah. They need to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-672" data-t="672">they need to kind of mature and become men and realize that hard money</span> <span class="cue" id="t-678" data-t="678">is hard to use. It's not about shitcoining. It's about</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-682">11:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-682" data-t="682">having to spend forty hours listening to Bitcoin podcasts</span> <span class="cue" id="t-685" data-t="685">and watching BBC sessions, finding tutorials.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-689" data-t="689">Because that takes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-691" data-t="691">a long time and they just have they don't they have to do the work. I don't think that, I don't think they should become female Bitcoin podcasters. I think that's the take</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-700">11:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-700" data-t="700">Sorry. I think men are in a really tough place right now, which is that if they have to transition,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-706" data-t="706">so if they transition</span> <span class="cue" id="t-708" data-t="708">and they're employed,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-709" data-t="709">they're going to get a 20%</span> <span class="cue" id="t-712" data-t="712">pay reduction.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-714" data-t="714">Right.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-716">11:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-716" data-t="716">And sometimes it takes, you know, a little bit of time to build up a following to be able to sell your meme coin. Do you believe to believe that they should have workplace protections so that they don't take the the pay cut? You know,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-729">12:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-729" data-t="729">part of me says</span> <span class="cue" id="t-731" data-t="731">workplace protections like that are really important for these men.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-734" data-t="734">They're struggling,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-736" data-t="736">and you're getting taking that pay cut, it would be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-741" data-t="741">really bad for their mental health.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-744" data-t="744">On the other hand, you know, there's always risks and, you know, we should let the market decide. Let the labor market decide. You know? The free market. Yeah. The free market.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-755">12:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-755" data-t="755">That that sounds,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-758" data-t="758">now forgive me, but that sounds very capitalistic, like pro capitalism.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-763" data-t="763">You were you you believe that the the market should sort it out. Well, I think the market</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-768">12:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-768" data-t="768">giveth and the market</span> <span class="cue" id="t-770" data-t="770">market taketh.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-771" data-t="771">And, you know, there is there is a form of anti capitalist</span> <span class="cue" id="t-775" data-t="775">anarchism</span> <span class="cue" id="t-776" data-t="776">called mutualism or market anarchism.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-779" data-t="779">And there is a belief that if you have truly free markets,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-783">13:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-783" data-t="783">truly freed competitive markets that are not based that, you know, don't allow for monopolies and antitrust and or whatever,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-792" data-t="792">you know, whatever they call that. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-794" data-t="794">yeah. Like, the market can can actually be a a tool for communism. I I think that's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-800" data-t="800">absolutely possible. So, you know, I I I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-804" data-t="804">I think in this day and age, we should</span> <span class="cue" id="t-806" data-t="806">on the one hand, there's an argument to let them let the dice</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-811">13:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-811" data-t="811">fall and roll where they go where they may and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-815" data-t="815">and see how, you know, how socialist we can make the market. Maybe the market will will fix the fix this gender gap. I don't know.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-824" data-t="824">I I'm I'm open.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-826" data-t="826">I'm open to all opportunities, all possibilities.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-829" data-t="829">Some some that's something that I talk a lot about. So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-833" data-t="833">I'm willing.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-835">13:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-835" data-t="835">And so you don't think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-837" data-t="837">that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-839" data-t="839">the strategic Bitcoin reserve</span> <span class="cue" id="t-842" data-t="842">is, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-844" data-t="844">a way to use the market</span> <span class="cue" id="t-847" data-t="847">to achieve out, you know, basically</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-851">14:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-851" data-t="851">fix everything. I mean, you can speed up hyper Bitcoinization. So like if if Donald Trump</span> <span class="cue" id="t-856" data-t="856">just apes, smash buys in Bitcoin with the Federal Reserve printer,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-861" data-t="861">that speed that accelerates fixing the world. We're fixing the money. We're fixing well, that's why we're strengthening the dollar.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-868" data-t="868">We</span> <span class="cue" data-t="868">if you you say fix the money, that's what that means, you know. Once you go on the Bitcoin standard, now you fix fiat currency. That's what that's what we're doing. And now we're fixing the world and you do that sounds like something, that sounds like a utopia. It sounds like something leftists,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-884" data-t="884">believe in utopias.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-885">14:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-885" data-t="885">Why don't you agree with that?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-888">14:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-888" data-t="888">Yeah. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-890" data-t="890">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-891" data-t="891">fix the money, fix the world.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-893" data-t="893">Sounds great.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-894" data-t="894">Fix the fiat.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-897" data-t="897">I I mean Right.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-898">14:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-898" data-t="898">Like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-899" data-t="899">yeah. I think, you know, I I I I always I thought this was about separation of money and state, but it sounds like it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-908" data-t="908">about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-910" data-t="910">keeping</span> <span class="cue" id="t-911" data-t="911">state and money unified and fixing the dollar so that dollar hegemony can exist forever. Now this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-918" data-t="918">is really an opposition, I I would say, to leftist because we really are opposed to US global hegemony.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-926">15:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-926" data-t="926">It's obviously</span> <span class="cue" id="t-927" data-t="927">killed a lot of people,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-928" data-t="928">a lot of innocent lives, and exploited</span> <span class="cue" id="t-931" data-t="931">a lot of people, and especially in the global South. So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-935" data-t="935">yeah, Bitcoin strategic reserve isn't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-938" data-t="938">the most appealing</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-940">15:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-940" data-t="940">to a leftist, I would say.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-944" data-t="944">I think leftists are probably less</span> <span class="cue" id="t-947" data-t="947">inclined to support the dollar, but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-951" data-t="951">you know, it seems like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-953" data-t="953">right now,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-955" data-t="955">that's where Bitcoiners are at. They really, really want the dollar to succeed. So</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-961">16:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-961" data-t="961">I don't know. I'm I'm, you know, I'm reassessing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-964" data-t="964">reassessing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-965" data-t="965">I can update</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-966">16:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-966" data-t="966">What do you think about Tether?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-969" data-t="969">Do leftists</span> <span class="cue" id="t-970" data-t="970">approve or, like, are they a fan of Tether</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-974">16:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-974" data-t="974">or that is that just an extension of dollar? Yeah. The people that have been murdered in the global South</span> <span class="cue" id="t-982" data-t="982">for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-983" data-t="983">The US economy.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-985">16:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-985" data-t="985">They like Tethr. Yeah. That's the well, how do you explain that? And not not that how do you personally explain that? But I'm just saying that's like an open question.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-994" data-t="994">But actually, how do you explain that? Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-997">16:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-997" data-t="997">Well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-999" data-t="999">I mean, it's true a lot of people in the global Southeast Tether.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1003" data-t="1003">They they do.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1005" data-t="1005">I mean, it's a stable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1007" data-t="1007">stable. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1009" data-t="1009">The value is stable,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1010">16:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1010" data-t="1010">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1012" data-t="1012">day to day risks are probably seemingly lower</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1016" data-t="1016">when you're using</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1017" data-t="1017">a stable coin. So I guess that's the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1021" data-t="1021">that's why it's so appealing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1023" data-t="1023">But I don't know that</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1025">17:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1025" data-t="1025">leftist</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1026" data-t="1026">support tether.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1029" data-t="1029">I I don't I don't know. I don't think, I don't think they've really given it much thought,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1034" data-t="1034">actually.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1035" data-t="1035">I can really say. I could tell you that people listen to the progressive Bitcoin or probably don't like Tether.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1043" data-t="1043">I think</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1044">17:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1044" data-t="1044">Tether is sort of like a Trojan horse</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1049" data-t="1049">for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1050" data-t="1050">the dollar.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1051" data-t="1051">So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1052" data-t="1052">not really a fan.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1054">17:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1054" data-t="1054">Yeah. That's understandable.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1058" data-t="1058">It kinda goes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1059" data-t="1059">this is a good segue into Trump. So Trump,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1063" data-t="1063">I'm blanking on his name, but his commerce secretary</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1068" data-t="1068">from Cantor Fitzgerald</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1069" data-t="1069">is a big fan of Tether,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1072">17:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1072" data-t="1072">which means that Trump will probably be a big fan of Tether. So I guess there's two questions.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1078">17:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1078" data-t="1078">Howard Butnik.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1080">17:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1080" data-t="1080">Howard Butnik. Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1083" data-t="1083">I guess one of the you know, the the first question is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1088" data-t="1088">is so men that are listening to this podcast that are frustrated</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1093" data-t="1093">by</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1094" data-t="1094">the potential losses</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1096" data-t="1096">in earnings that</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1098">18:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1098" data-t="1098">they're going to suffer for not being able to sell as many NFTs,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1104" data-t="1104">that are looking to possibly transition</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1106" data-t="1106">to help</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1108" data-t="1108">fix that issue.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1110" data-t="1110">Is that safe to do in Trump's America? What, like, what are the biggest changes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1116" data-t="1116">that as a progressive</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1118">18:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1118" data-t="1118">Bitcoin or or concerning</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1120" data-t="1120">to you in this shift</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1122" data-t="1122">into Trump's America into</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1124" data-t="1124">Tether</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1125" data-t="1125">being</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1128" data-t="1128">a big part of the US government and and economic policy?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1133">18:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1133" data-t="1133">Yeah. I I guess, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1136" data-t="1136">my concerns</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1137" data-t="1137">are that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1138" data-t="1138">men</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1139" data-t="1139">are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1141" data-t="1141">going to really</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1143">19:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1143" data-t="1143">become</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1145" data-t="1145">shitcoiners,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1146" data-t="1146">true shitcoiners under this administration. And is it safe? Is it safe</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1152" data-t="1152">to be a toxic maximalist under these conditions?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1156" data-t="1156">You know, I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1157" data-t="1157">that this is,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1159">19:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1159" data-t="1159">you know, this is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1160" data-t="1160">this is something that we're not really talking about in this space.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1165" data-t="1165">I'm not hearing the podcast influencers really addressing this.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1169" data-t="1169">Mhmm. And it's it's concerning. I mean, what you know, can you will you be able to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1176" data-t="1176">under a Trump administration that supports Tether, will you be able to sun your balls? I'm worried</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1182" data-t="1182">that you won't.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1184">19:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1184" data-t="1184">I think that's gonna really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1186" data-t="1186">damage a lot of men in this space. I mean, just going beyond the gender pay gap when their NFTs</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1193" data-t="1193">lose value. But if they can't sell their balls and they can't eat only steak,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1199" data-t="1199">I'm just really worried. I'm worried about the the mental health crisis that's gonna develop.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1205">20:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1205" data-t="1205">As trans women,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1207" data-t="1207">they won't have the right to summon their bolt. That's devastating.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1212">20:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1212" data-t="1212">The the one of the big problems that like what you said, it's not gonna be safe to be a toxic maxi. Donald Trump made us think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1220" data-t="1220">he was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1222" data-t="1222">he was really signing up for the, you know, the people who</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1227" data-t="1227">totally like like the ghost of of Dick Whitman,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1230" data-t="1230">Stefan Lavere, like people who did not tolerate shitcoinery.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1234" data-t="1234">And it turns out that, he's not</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1238">20:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1238" data-t="1238">as friendly. He doesn't believe the same things we believe. And he, you know, he was talking about Bitcoin maximalist at one of his press conferences, and he called the he called he said that some of the Bitcoin maximalists were very fine people.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1251" data-t="1251">And the media caught wind of that, and he he walked it back, and he totally threw us under the bus and said that he did not say that Bitcoin maximalists were some very fine people.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1262" data-t="1262">Do you worry that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1263" data-t="1263">being a Bitcoin maximalist,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1265" data-t="1265">being a freedom advocate, you think it, having podcasts which are very Bitcoin maximalist,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1271" data-t="1271">potentially</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1272">21:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1272" data-t="1272">Donald Trump could come after and try to censor</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1276" data-t="1276">our content or discredit</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1278" data-t="1278">Bitcoiners like us who are Maximus.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1281">21:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1281" data-t="1281">I think it's a real possibility. You know, if if Bitcoin Maximus podcasters</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1286" data-t="1286">become a threat</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1287" data-t="1287">to this administration,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1288" data-t="1288">I think we really should take it seriously that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1292" data-t="1292">he he could come after come after you, come after these podcasters.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1296" data-t="1296">I mean, I just can't imagine, you know, what VTC Sessions would do.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1300">21:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1300" data-t="1300">You know? Like, there he is talking about how to set up a cold card. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1306" data-t="1306">one</span> <span class="cue" data-t="1306">day, like, Trump's like, no. Out and sends his goons, and we never see him again.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1312" data-t="1312">Or, you know, Marty Bent.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1315" data-t="1315">God forbid something happens to him or Odell</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1318" data-t="1318">for, you know, talking about,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1321">22:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1321" data-t="1321">you know, hash rate risks or,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1324" data-t="1324">you know, the latest conspiracy about Russia. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1328" data-t="1328">I just don't know. I'm I'm really not ready for this future.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1333" data-t="1333">I'm really concerned for their welfare.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1336" data-t="1336">And I just feel like we've made a pact with the devil here for number go up.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1340">22:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1340" data-t="1340">I I think we just got all</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1343">22:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1343" data-t="1343">I like Bitcoin, buy my shit coin by Trump. I think he pulled the one over on everyone. Do you I mean, in under the Trump administration, if they really go hard in support of Bitcoin mining</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1356" data-t="1356">and, maybe, like, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1358" data-t="1358">they subsidize it or whatever, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1361" data-t="1361">do you think that you you'll be able to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1364" data-t="1364">you'll be able</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1366" data-t="1366">to get a really good, like, lobbying</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1369">22:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1369" data-t="1369">salary</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1370" data-t="1370">paid in Bitcoin for being able to,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1373">22:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1373" data-t="1373">do research that shows that Bitcoin mining is good for climate change? Yeah. I really hope so. I mean, I would I think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1380" data-t="1380">if I could get</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1381" data-t="1381">just, like, the the the most well paid lobbying position in Bitcoin mining,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1387" data-t="1387">that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1389" data-t="1389">you know, I could really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1391" data-t="1391">have</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1392">23:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1392" data-t="1392">a lot of Bitcoin. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1394" data-t="1394">I don't know. You know? I mean, I am a socialist and I and I would definitely distribute some of that wealth, certainly, though. I would</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1402" data-t="1402">I would go through, you know, and do some philanthropy and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1405" data-t="1405">you know, distribute some of my Bitcoin from all of my lobbying and shilling. I I would I would absolutely do that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1412" data-t="1412">help support these mutual aid groups,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1415" data-t="1415">you know, and maybe start a nonprofit to help,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1420">23:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1420" data-t="1420">Bitcoin podcast men who transition,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1423" data-t="1423">obviously,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1424" data-t="1424">to to close the gender gap. But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1427" data-t="1427">yeah. I I yeah. Sure. I mean, I'm I'm hopeful. I'm really I gotta look out for me sometimes, you know? Like I said, I gotta build this cult of personality</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1436" data-t="1436">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1438" data-t="1438">yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1440">24:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1440" data-t="1440">I gotta do that.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1442">24:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1442" data-t="1442">Hell yeah. That's that brings up a good point. One of the things that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1447" data-t="1447">you know, we talk about is that you have to buy Bitcoin so you can be able to afford to pay taxes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1454" data-t="1454">Taxes are getting expensive and it's inflation. Everything's crazy. You just need Bitcoin or you won't be able to afford your taxes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1460" data-t="1460">But you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1461" data-t="1461">are on the side that wants to make taxes more expensive.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1465" data-t="1465">So I'm curious is like,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1467">24:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1467" data-t="1467">how do you look at Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1470" data-t="1470">in solving the problem of</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1472">24:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1472" data-t="1472">re being able to raise taxes more efficiently? I mean, if the price of Bitcoin goes up,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1477" data-t="1477">there's more to tax.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1479" data-t="1479">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1480" data-t="1480">you know, let's do it. Let's tax more. And I think it'll be way more efficient because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1486" data-t="1486">price Bitcoin keeps going up, number go up. So there's just a lot more for us to take and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1492" data-t="1492">redistribute.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1493">24:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1493" data-t="1493">So I'm I'm hopeful.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1495">24:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1495" data-t="1495">So wouldn't I mean, that's that's I think I think so earlier, you said</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1500" data-t="1500">that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1502" data-t="1502">watching Trump's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1504" data-t="1504">ascent back to the presidency kind of inspire you. You're like an anarchist,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1510" data-t="1510">socialist, and you could still feel inspired by Donald Trump.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1514" data-t="1514">And I think that that's kind of the magic of Donald Trump. He brings everybody</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1519">25:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1519" data-t="1519">together for just maybe not the the same, but different reasons. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1524" data-t="1524">here, I think, is where we can come together. It's that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1529" data-t="1529">you could get behind the strategic Bitcoin reserve, and Donald Trump could pop Bitcoin to the moon,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1536" data-t="1536">and that would solve the problem of getting people to pay more taxes.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1540">25:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1540" data-t="1540">Everybody wins. Yeah. You know, this is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1543" data-t="1543">this is an angle. Yeah. Yeah. This is an angle.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1546" data-t="1546">It could be good for climate change. You know, it's an angle that I really hadn't considered that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1551" data-t="1551">you know, nation state adoption of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1553" data-t="1553">Bitcoin strategic reserve fixing fiat</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1558" data-t="1558">could actually have an inverse effect of</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1562">26:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1562" data-t="1562">undoing climate change through higher taxation.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1565" data-t="1565">You know, this is really making me reconsider a lot of my own framework,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1569" data-t="1569">and views on how the world works.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1572" data-t="1572">So, yeah, I really you know, I this is a lot for me to think about right now. I I don't wanna commit to anything</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1579">26:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1579" data-t="1579">yet. Right. I think that yeah. It's it's it would be I think it would be super ironic. Right? The people, the right wingers who mock they they mock you on Twitter. They say, oh, I think that I can fix the weather by paying taxes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1594" data-t="1594">And it's like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1596" data-t="1596">actually,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1597" data-t="1597">because bitcoin fixes this,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1599" data-t="1599">you can.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1601">26:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1601" data-t="1601">Yeah. Actually,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1603" data-t="1603">Bitcoin does fix this through higher taxes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1606" data-t="1606">Yeah. I think it's great. I think this is genius because,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1610" data-t="1610">you know, the thing that I I used to worry about was that if you keep teaching the government</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1616" data-t="1616">about how Bitcoin works</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1619" data-t="1619">and to accumulate Bitcoin,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1621">27:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1621" data-t="1621">that it's going to pique their interest to the point that they're gonna wanna control it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1626" data-t="1626">and tax it and do all these things that would not be great for self custody</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1632" data-t="1632">and for a lot of the human rights stuff. But but now I'm reconsidering this.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1637" data-t="1637">Yeah. Now I'm thinking</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1638" data-t="1638">we can really solve a lot of big problems with the Bitcoin strategic reserve,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1644" data-t="1644">And I think we could really, really fix the weather.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1648">27:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1648" data-t="1648">Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1649">27:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1649" data-t="1649">With Right. With this. Yeah. You you could yeah. You could prevent Bitcoin too. You could prevent</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1656" data-t="1656">the men who are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1658" data-t="1658">experiencing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1659" data-t="1659">tragic loss of their net worth,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1662" data-t="1662">during bear markets by preventing the bear market. You would prevent all these other cryptos from crashing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1668" data-t="1668">They would, you know, so they wouldn't have capital losses to write off. They would actually be paying taxes. They could afford</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1674">27:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1674" data-t="1674">to pay their taxes. And, you know, you mentioned that there, there will always be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1680" data-t="1680">some people who self custody, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1682" data-t="1682">with, MicroStrategy,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1684" data-t="1684">BlackRock,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1687" data-t="1687">Coinbase.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1688" data-t="1688">I mean,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1689">28:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1689" data-t="1689">we're talking, I mean, the people in the self custody, that's gonna be a rounding error. They can just, they pull out so many, so much, so much Bitcoin profits</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1696" data-t="1696">to tax from the ETF and then just people on custodials</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1701" data-t="1701">That they they won't even matter. It'll be,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1704" data-t="1704">you know, the the climate,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1706" data-t="1706">the the environment. Yeah. If</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1708" data-t="1708">I guess to sum it up, if Trump comes in and just uses Bitcoin and pumps it to the moon and we all become,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1714">28:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1714" data-t="1714">you know, billionaires,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1717" data-t="1717">That</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1718" data-t="1718">is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1719" data-t="1719">in the tax implication wise,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1721" data-t="1721">so good for the environment. Like so bullish on solving climate change, like faster, maybe before even the next half. That would be amazing. Yeah, absolutely.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1730">28:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1730" data-t="1730">I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1731" data-t="1731">yeah, I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1733" data-t="1733">yeah. Like you're saying, like, Trump inspires.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1736" data-t="1736">Trump inspires people from all sorts of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1739" data-t="1739">or,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1740" data-t="1740">walks of life. You know, it's a big umbrella.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1743">29:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1743" data-t="1743">Everyone's welcome.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1745" data-t="1745">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1747" data-t="1747">yeah, I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1748" data-t="1748">think Bitcoin going to the moon,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1751" data-t="1751">higher taxes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1752" data-t="1752">can really solve</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1754">29:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1754" data-t="1754">solve this problem. So Right. Yeah. I think this is great. And, you know, I think it's really gonna help</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1761" data-t="1761">those podcasters that can't sell their NFTs because, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1766" data-t="1766">once government gets involved,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1768" data-t="1768">then the government can start</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1771" data-t="1771">manipulating</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1773" data-t="1773">the market too.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1775">29:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1775" data-t="1775">Now, hearing me out,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1777" data-t="1777">this sounds crazy, but government, the Federal Reserve starts</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1781" data-t="1781">artificially</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1782" data-t="1782">pumping the price</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1784" data-t="1784">of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1785" data-t="1785">podcast</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1785">29:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" data-t="1785">compliant NFTs.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1788" data-t="1788">Everybody wins.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1790" data-t="1790">The men in this space</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1793" data-t="1793">win.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1794" data-t="1794">And I think that's good for the gender,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1796" data-t="1796">that that gender disparity that we've been talking about. Hell, yeah. I mean,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1801">30:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1801" data-t="1801">I was we talked if anybody who listened to the Bugle Weekly podcast in the past year</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1807" data-t="1807">knows that we harped endlessly on. If we the government is non compliant. The government that we, you know, we've been having for the past few years.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1817" data-t="1817">And if we just out comply</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1819" data-t="1819">the government, we will defeat them. And that's how we separate money from state. And we've done that. We've out complied. We won.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1826" data-t="1826">We now have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1827" data-t="1827">Bitcoiners in like all the cabinet positions.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1830">30:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1830" data-t="1830">Bitcoiners run-in the health department.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1833" data-t="1833">We got,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1834" data-t="1834">Tether guys running this,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1836" data-t="1836">the commerce department.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1838" data-t="1838">Hal Coogan and and CZ and and Brian from Coinbase are coming to the White House. We're all in the White House now.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1845" data-t="1845">We</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1846">30:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1846" data-t="1846">get to separate money from state and we get to do that by</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1850" data-t="1850">pumping the ever living shit out of Bitcoin. And once everybody can afford to pay their taxes,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1856" data-t="1856">that's how we separate money from state. If you pay your taxes, the state will leave you alone. They will, you can play video games. You can do whatever you want. You can live on your citadel. As long as you can afford your taxes, we'll stay out of your life. And then boom, that's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1870" data-t="1870">state</span> <span class="cue" data-t="1870">and money are separate now. Yeah. Absolutely. Because you don't have to think about it. Yeah. You don't have to think about it anymore. It just becomes</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1877">31:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1877" data-t="1877">like everyday life. You know, you turn on the light switch</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1880" data-t="1880">and the lights turn on. I mean, how does that work? You know, how do magnets work? Right? Like you can spend all of your free time listening to bull market Bitcoin podcast because it's always a bull market. It's always going up.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1895" data-t="1895">Absolutely. And just think of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1897" data-t="1897">how many new</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1899" data-t="1899">bull market</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1900" data-t="1900">Bitcoin podcasts will come out of this.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1903">31:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1903" data-t="1903">I mean, this could be a revolution</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1906" data-t="1906">in Bitcoin podcasting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1908" data-t="1908">like we've never experienced before. You would just collect</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1913">31:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1913" data-t="1913">royalties from your fountain booths,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1915" data-t="1915">and they would just keep going up in value. He wouldn't yeah. You everybody could retire.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1921" data-t="1921">Yeah. Absolutely. I I I'm just thinking about all the things that I could do in my free time after this. And if and if everybody was doing nothing but sitting around listening to Bitcoin podcast, there would be way less carbon emissions.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1932">32:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1932" data-t="1932">Absolutely. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1934" data-t="1934">less wars.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1935" data-t="1935">So, again,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1937" data-t="1937">Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1939" data-t="1939">fixes this. Bitcoin fixes fiat</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1942" data-t="1942">by</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1943">32:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1943" data-t="1943">boosting fiat,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1945" data-t="1945">which boosts the price of Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1947" data-t="1947">And we end all wars</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1950" data-t="1950">because Bitcoin podcasts go to the moon.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1953" data-t="1953">And we reduce our emissions because we just don't ever leave our homes because we have to keep</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1959" data-t="1959">consuming</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1960">32:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1960" data-t="1960">Bitcoin bull market podcasts. This is a solution</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1963" data-t="1963">to a problem that I have been really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1967" data-t="1967">thinking about for a really long time. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1970" data-t="1970">you know, I used to think that the solution was Bitcoin was, a vehicle for system change. You know? Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1977" data-t="1977">the Bitcoin exists outside of the existing financial system. And if we move everything, all forms of capital out of this system,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1985" data-t="1985">this broken financial system and into a new one,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1988">33:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1988" data-t="1988">using Bitcoin as that primary tool,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1991" data-t="1991">we could</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1993" data-t="1993">we could fix a lot of these fundamental issues. But now I'm seeing that, you know, my view on Bitcoin is totally wrong.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2001" data-t="2001">And that, actually,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2002" data-t="2002">we can solve this with a combination</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2006" data-t="2006">of government endorsing number go up, higher taxes, and,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2010">33:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2010" data-t="2010">yeah, more podcasts, more Bitcoin bull market podcasts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2014" data-t="2014">This is genius.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2017" data-t="2017">Yeah. Thank you, Rod. Thank you for,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2020" data-t="2020">for really</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2022">33:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2022" data-t="2022">opening my eyes. Can I ask you a question? So I,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2028" data-t="2028">this is just like a fundamental</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2030" data-t="2030">philosophical,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2031" data-t="2031">like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2032" data-t="2032">anarcho</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2034" data-t="2034">socialist or</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2036">33:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2036" data-t="2036">whatever</span> <span class="cue" data-t="2036">the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2037" data-t="2037">the correct political pronouns,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2040" data-t="2040">you prefer. So, like, I consider myself</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2044" data-t="2044">like, my political pronouns</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2046" data-t="2046">are cigarette capitalist,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2049">34:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2049" data-t="2049">which I think is very different</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2052" data-t="2052">to your ideology,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2054" data-t="2054">and I'm kind of unfamiliar with it. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2057" data-t="2057">in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2059" data-t="2059">in you in a second, I wanna hear political pronouns, but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2065" data-t="2065">I,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2067">34:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2067" data-t="2067">I wanna understand.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2069" data-t="2069">So in your philosophical</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2072" data-t="2072">world</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2073" data-t="2073">view,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2074" data-t="2074">how does ownership work?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2076" data-t="2076">Can you own an idea or does everybody</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2080">34:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2080" data-t="2080">own an idea?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2081">34:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2081" data-t="2081">Are ideas invented or discovered?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2084" data-t="2084">Yeah, that as well. If it's invented, you could have a patent or a trademark or a copyright or you could own that capital. It's an idea. Or are they discovered? Is it just something that you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2096" data-t="2096">observed in the universe,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2098" data-t="2098">saw a pattern,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2099" data-t="2099">and benefit. It's a tool you benefited from, and you can't own that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2104" data-t="2104">Honey yeah. So that's that's that's how I would frame that for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Deep deep question. So, yeah, my preferred political pronouns are</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2113">35:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2113" data-t="2113">libertarian socialist, I would say.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2116" data-t="2116">And, you know, I come out of this rich tradition that goes back to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2121" data-t="2121">the industrial revolution,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2124" data-t="2124">where,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2125" data-t="2125">Proudhon was the first to declare himself an anarchist.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2129" data-t="2129">And,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2130">35:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2130" data-t="2130">yeah, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2132" data-t="2132">property</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2133" data-t="2133">property is something that we</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2135" data-t="2135">view very differently from the capitalist mode,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2139" data-t="2139">which is in capitalism, you know, property really has to be defended and protected by,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2145" data-t="2145">you</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2148">35:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2148" data-t="2148">know, monopoly on violence.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2150" data-t="2150">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2152" data-t="2152">property</span> <span class="cue" data-t="2152">is truly tied to scarcity.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2155" data-t="2155">If you have an abundance</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2156" data-t="2156">of</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2157">35:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2157" data-t="2157">of something, it's harder to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2160" data-t="2160">turn into property, something that you can turn into a commodity and buy and sell.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2165" data-t="2165">And with the ideas,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2166" data-t="2166">ideas are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2168" data-t="2168">truly fundamentally abundant.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2170" data-t="2170">And whether they're discovered</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2174">36:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2174" data-t="2174">or,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2175" data-t="2175">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2177" data-t="2177">what was the other discovered or what was the other one? Invented or discovered.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2181" data-t="2181">Yeah. Whether they were invented or discovered</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2184" data-t="2184">isn't so important. It's really what matters is how many ideas are there out there. From a libertarian socialist perspective, we say, you know, there's a lot of ideas out there,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2195" data-t="2195">and there's probably as many ideas out there as there are,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2200">36:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2200" data-t="2200">grains of sand.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2201" data-t="2201">So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2202" data-t="2202">Sure.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2203" data-t="2203">You know, there's not a lot of value to grains of sand. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2206" data-t="2206">I would say, you know, ideas are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2210" data-t="2210">not private property,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2213">36:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2213" data-t="2213">unless you can set up some laws,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2216" data-t="2216">like patent laws</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2218" data-t="2218">and patent your idea. But in a world where you didn't have patent laws, then I think ideas would just be,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2226" data-t="2226">you know, out there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2228" data-t="2228">You know? I mean, Bitcoin is an idea that nobody really owns.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2232" data-t="2232">It's open source technology,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2234">37:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2234" data-t="2234">free and open source,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2237" data-t="2237">and it's not anyone</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2239" data-t="2239">the network itself is no one's prop. So what I'm worried about property. Yeah. What I'm worried about is that</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2247">37:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2247" data-t="2247">at some point,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2249" data-t="2249">if people don't believe that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2252" data-t="2252">Bitcoin is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2254" data-t="2254">that you could own Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2256" data-t="2256">Obviously, you can't own the like, who created Bitcoin? Who controls Bitcoin? Well, if they they start to think maybe even though I listened</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2266" data-t="2266">to forty hours of Bitcoin podcasts</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2269">37:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2269" data-t="2269">every single week</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2271" data-t="2271">for years and years. And I sacrificed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2275" data-t="2275">parties and time with my family and friends</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2278" data-t="2278">because I had a good idea.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2280" data-t="2280">And I had a good idea to buy Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2282" data-t="2282">And they decided that my good idea to buy Bitcoin,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2286">38:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2286" data-t="2286">you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2288" data-t="2288">know, didn't come with all that hard work listening to Bitcoin podcast, and they say that I can't own</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2293" data-t="2293">the the private keys</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2295" data-t="2295">just because I had a good idea of listening to Bitcoin podcast. Then, like, how would you protect</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2301">38:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2301" data-t="2301">self custody? How would yeah. I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2304" data-t="2304">you have to watch a you have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2307" data-t="2307">to watch a lot of Bitcoin podcasts to really know how to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2311" data-t="2311">protect your self custody.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2313" data-t="2313">I think that's the bottom line. You know, just because you had one good idea to buy Bitcoin</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2318">38:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2318" data-t="2318">doesn't mean that you're gonna have to pay taxes.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2324">38:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2324" data-t="2324">Well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2325" data-t="2325">you know, I think if you listen to what Bitcoin did,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2329">38:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2329" data-t="2329">I think you would disagree. That's true. That's true. That is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2333" data-t="2333">sometimes we'll say to me, it's almost like a yin and a yang situation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2338" data-t="2338">because you said libertarian</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2340" data-t="2340">socialist.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2342" data-t="2342">So that's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2344" data-t="2344">like, you know,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2345">39:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2345" data-t="2345">it's like Manero</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2347" data-t="2347">influencer.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2348" data-t="2348">Right? It's like, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it sounds like a contradiction. How do you explain</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2354" data-t="2354">to somebody who's listening to this who says I'm a libertarian, like, she's not a libertarian.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2359" data-t="2359">What do you because I don't think there's that many socialists on the other side who disagree with that label, or maybe I'm wrong about that. Do you ever, do socialists ever tell you that, you're you're not socialist if you're a libertarian? No. I think that there has always been</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2373">39:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2373" data-t="2373">this push and pull and this critique</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2376" data-t="2376">of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2377" data-t="2377">socialism</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2378" data-t="2378">or communism</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2380" data-t="2380">or Marxism from an anarchist perspective.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2383" data-t="2383">I mean, the really the defining</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2385">39:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2385" data-t="2385">difference</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2386" data-t="2386">is that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2388" data-t="2388">one group believed that you had to go through the state and another group was like, actually, you know, you just gotta get rid of the state. That's part of the problem.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2398" data-t="2398">And so for a libertarian</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2400" data-t="2400">socialist, you know, they they're it's not just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2404" data-t="2404">end the state. It's also end</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2407">40:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2407" data-t="2407">the capitalist mode of production.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2410" data-t="2410">So that's really where that comes from. And, actually, you know, right</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2415" data-t="2415">or, like, American style libertarianism,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2418" data-t="2418">the Libertarian Party</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2421" data-t="2421">does an in its origins take a lot</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2425" data-t="2425">from left</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2427">40:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2427" data-t="2427">anarchism,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2428" data-t="2428">left</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2429" data-t="2429">libertarianism,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2431" data-t="2431">because it came first, basically. Rothbard</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2434" data-t="2434">pulled a lot from that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2436" data-t="2436">So,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2437">40:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2437" data-t="2437">you know, it's not really a contradiction.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2439" data-t="2439">I mean, it's really the original form</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2442" data-t="2442">and it was just about whether the state</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2444" data-t="2444">how should the state disappear?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2447" data-t="2447">And yeah. Anarchists</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2449" data-t="2449">originally</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2450">40:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2450" data-t="2450">took to violence to try to get rid of the state. Gotcha. So you would say that,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2456">40:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2456" data-t="2456">like, the American libertarian party is kinda like Bitcoin to hash,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2461" data-t="2461">and liver your flavor of libertarian anarchist socialism</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2465" data-t="2465">is</span> <span class="cue" data-t="2465">the, is Bitcoin, you know, core OG.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2469">41:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2469" data-t="2469">Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. We are the OGs.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2472" data-t="2472">You know, we are Bitcoin core</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2475" data-t="2475">and, yeah, libertarian, libertarian party</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2478" data-t="2478">is, you know, you could almost even say it's Bitcoin</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2482">41:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2482" data-t="2482">Satoshi vision. I would say. Yeah. But you did it. Yeah. It would go perfect example. Roger Ver. Roger Ver. He's, you know, a libertarian</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2490" data-t="2490">Bitcoin cashier.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2492" data-t="2492">Doesn't even yeah. He doesn't recognize the the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2496" data-t="2496">the chain with the most work.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2498">41:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2498" data-t="2498">That's right. That's right. I I would agree with that assessment. The the libertarian</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2503" data-t="2503">party</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2504" data-t="2504">is definitely a shitcoin fork of Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2508" data-t="2508">It's almost like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2509" data-t="2509">it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2510" data-t="2510">like,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2512">41:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2512" data-t="2512">like Ethereum came around.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2514" data-t="2514">I would almost consider Ethereum a fork of Bitcoin</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2517">41:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2517" data-t="2517">in Oh, yeah. Of course. Of course. I don't know why every crypto is.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2522">42:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2522" data-t="2522">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2523" data-t="2523">Because the shitcoiners wanted a shitcoin on Bitcoin and they got chased off. Right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2528" data-t="2528">They formed Ethereum</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2530" data-t="2530">and then, like so yeah. I'm not gonna finish this tangent. Never mind. But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2536" data-t="2536">maybe the green party is like Ethereum</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2539">42:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2539" data-t="2539">and libertarian parties like the green party. The green party is like Cardano. I don't know. Yeah. There's too many. Maybe maybe the parties would be better to associate with crypto if you were in Europe and they had more than two. But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2553" data-t="2553">the,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2554">42:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2554" data-t="2554">So like the the uni party is like the dollar party, right? Democrats, Republicans,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2560" data-t="2560">they're the dollar party.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2562" data-t="2562">Now the real question is who is the Bitcoin party? And I would say it's probably the cypher punks, right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2571" data-t="2571">They're not necessarily</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2572" data-t="2572">they're engaging politics. They're politically active,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2576" data-t="2576">because they're doing things,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2579">42:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2579" data-t="2579">but they're not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2580" data-t="2580">always specifically</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2582" data-t="2582">engaging</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2583" data-t="2583">in the political sphere.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2585" data-t="2585">And then there's kind of like anomalies like Dennis Porter,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2589" data-t="2589">who are</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2591">43:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2591" data-t="2591">bipartisan</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2592" data-t="2592">or nonpartisan,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2593" data-t="2593">however you wanna describe it. He had kinda oscillates</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2597" data-t="2597">between the two. Orange party.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2600" data-t="2600">What's that?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2601">43:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2601" data-t="2601">He's like the orange party.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2604">43:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2604" data-t="2604">Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2606">43:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2606" data-t="2606">It's like but then you got to think about the orange is the orange party a separate local party, or is it is it better to work within</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2614" data-t="2614">the Republican party like David Bailey? Well, David Bailey</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2618">43:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2618" data-t="2618">has obviously found one path to do that, I guess. I mean, he found himself at Mar A Lago,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2626" data-t="2626">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2627" data-t="2627">now he got Trump to show</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2630" data-t="2630">up and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2631" data-t="2631">make some commitments</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2633" data-t="2633">that we've yet to see actually come to fruition.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2636">43:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2636" data-t="2636">But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2638" data-t="2638">I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2639" data-t="2639">kind of think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2642" data-t="2642">the ultimate path is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2645" data-t="2645">who has the most money to give</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2648" data-t="2648">to these politicians.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2650">44:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2650" data-t="2650">So kinda</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2652" data-t="2652">doesn't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2653" data-t="2653">matter what party,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2654" data-t="2654">because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2656" data-t="2656">during this last cycle</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2658" data-t="2658">of elections,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2659">44:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2659" data-t="2659">you know, Chris Larson, head of Ripple,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2662" data-t="2662">gave and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2664" data-t="2664">Coinbase, you know, they get, like, 20,000,000</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2668" data-t="2668">to campaigns and took out quite a few politicians that were deemed pro crypto.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2673" data-t="2673">And, I would say</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2677" data-t="2677">that that is the winning</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2680">44:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2680" data-t="2680">the winning calculus here. How much fiat can you throw</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2685" data-t="2685">at these politicians?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2688" data-t="2688">Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2689">44:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2689" data-t="2689">Well, it's it is definitely</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2692" data-t="2692">there's also the side of it where you have to purchase influencers.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2697" data-t="2697">So I I'm not sure, like, how the structure is. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2701" data-t="2701">do you purchase the politician, then the politician</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2705" data-t="2705">purchases the influencers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2706" data-t="2706">for you? Or do you have to do both?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2709">45:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2709" data-t="2709">Or</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2710">45:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2710" data-t="2710">does it kind of depend? I think you have to do both. I think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2713" data-t="2713">of course, though, you know, the politicians and political parties also buy the influencers for their own gains.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2719" data-t="2719">But I think, yeah, you have to buy,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2722" data-t="2722">you do have to buy the influencers along the way.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2725" data-t="2725">And I think that, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2728" data-t="2728">I, I'm hopeful that that will</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2730">45:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2730" data-t="2730">provide a steady income for a lot of podcasters</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2734" data-t="2734">in this space too.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2736" data-t="2736">So I think I think when we look at the big picture</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2741" data-t="2741">that whatever is good for Chris Larson</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2745" data-t="2745">is good</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2748">45:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2748" data-t="2748">for Steven Lavera. So you think that there's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2751" data-t="2751">probably gonna be a lot of a lot of money poured into the Bitcoin podcast game in the next couple years, a lot of opportunities</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2761" data-t="2761">to be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2762" data-t="2762">a engagement,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2764" data-t="2764">you know, attention grabbing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2766" data-t="2766">Bitcoin influencer, Bitcoin podcaster,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2769">46:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2769" data-t="2769">who is going to help</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2771" data-t="2771">set important narratives like whether or not covenants should be allowed to pass or whether they change, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2778" data-t="2778">they change the logo or if they wanna change the Bitcoin logo or if they wanna what if I mean, Trump loves putting his branding</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2784" data-t="2784">on everything.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2786" data-t="2786">Mhmm. What if Trump tries to change the Bitcoin logo and put, you know, some sort</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2791" data-t="2791">of Trump flip? What if they try to add, like, that little, like, flare that Trump's hair, they make they put that on top of the Bitcoin beat, like Trump's bangs?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2798">46:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2798" data-t="2798">You know?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2799" data-t="2799">Mhmm. Or Or what if he just tries to make it not orangingly? It's that's a real, you know, there's a sounds awesome to make money, but it comes with risks. Yeah. What what if he</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2809">46:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2809" data-t="2809">changes Bitcoin Park to Trump Park? That could happen. That could happen. I think every</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2815" data-t="2815">every</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2816" data-t="2816">Bitcoin park has a price.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2818" data-t="2818">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2819" data-t="2819">you know, it's just,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2821" data-t="2821">you know, how high does Bitcoin have to go</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2824">47:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2824" data-t="2824">before you change</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2826" data-t="2826">the name of your</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2827" data-t="2827">Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2829" data-t="2829">building</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2830" data-t="2830">to Trump Park or,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2832" data-t="2832">you know, PubKey to Trump Key.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2835">47:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2835" data-t="2835">Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2836" data-t="2836">I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2837" data-t="2837">I think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2839" data-t="2839">there is a number go up with</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2842" data-t="2842">their names on it and and and Trump</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2845" data-t="2845">Trump Tower.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2847">47:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2847" data-t="2847">Yeah. Trump. You know, we may, you you know, we may see by the end of this four year</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2853" data-t="2853">cycle</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2854" data-t="2854">that Satoshis are no longer sats or Satoshis. Right? Mhmm. They they may be Trump</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2861">47:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2861" data-t="2861">Trump trumpets. I don't know. Yeah. So that's a good point. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2865" data-t="2865">Donald Trump's not gonna be Donald Trump's going to take credit</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2870" data-t="2870">for Bitcoin going to the moon, but he's not gonna be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2873" data-t="2873">the only person. But there's gonna be a lot of people taking credit</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2877" data-t="2877">for the God candle,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2879" data-t="2879">for the biggest bull market</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2882">48:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2882" data-t="2882">in history.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2883" data-t="2883">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2885" data-t="2885">you know, some people are gonna deserve that credit, like Dennis Porter. Dennis Porter is gonna be claiming a lot of clit for the guy candle, but he'll let me just say that he doesn't deserve it. Who do you think?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2896" data-t="2896">What, you know, who would you put on the Mount Rushmore</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2899" data-t="2899">if you had to think about, like, who's gonna be the people who deserve credit</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2904" data-t="2904">for Bitcoin</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2905">48:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2905" data-t="2905">having already won? I'm really betting on Corey Klipstein. K. I'm really, really betting on him in this race.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2912" data-t="2912">I mean, you know, Dennis has really proved himself</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2916" data-t="2916">to Absolutely. No doubt about it. Capable of of taking credit for things.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2921">48:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2921" data-t="2921">But let's not let's not underestimate Corey. You don't think sailing? What about Sailor? Would you be on there too? You know, I</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2928">48:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2928" data-t="2928">I I think Sailor</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2931" data-t="2931">doesn't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2932" data-t="2932">I feel like he has achieved a certain amount,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2937" data-t="2937">in terms of taking credit</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2939" data-t="2939">for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2941" data-t="2941">Bitcoin success.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2942">49:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2942" data-t="2942">But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2943" data-t="2943">I don't know. I I feel that he's lacking something and, like, the the level of narcissism just isn't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2951" data-t="2951">it just isn't there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2953" data-t="2953">You know? And I I think Michael Saylor is a narcissist.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2956" data-t="2956">No. I think he is. I just don't think that it's you know, if on the scale,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2961" data-t="2961">if we could rank,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2963">49:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2963" data-t="2963">he's just Sure. He's a third. He's he comes in third place.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2967">49:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2967" data-t="2967">Oh, you can't. Okay.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2968">49:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2968" data-t="2968">Yeah. And I I figured I figured progressive Bitcoiners would like Michael Sailor as a homosexual</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2974">49:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2974" data-t="2974">man. I think he has a lot of appeal as a homosexual man. Yes. And he is not married. He doesn't have any children. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2982" data-t="2982">I think as far as I know. So I think there's hope. I think there's hope. I think he can redeem himself if he comes out</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2989" data-t="2989">and supports the woke ideology.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2992">49:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2992" data-t="2992">Right. I I yeah. Some people have said that Michael Saylor is heavy in the bags,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2997" data-t="2997">but</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2998">49:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2998" data-t="2998">light, you know, lighten the feet. Yeah. I've seen him. I've seen him soft shoe at parties, at Bitcoin conference parties.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3005" data-t="3005">And he's always surrounded by men, young young boys. Barely 18.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3013">50:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3013" data-t="3013">Young men would like young men</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3016" data-t="3016">just want to learn about their role dynamics, I think. I think, you know, but,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3022">50:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3022" data-t="3022">they're really taken care of by</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3024">50:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3024" data-t="3024">that. I can't like I said, we talked to fundamentals a few weeks ago.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3028" data-t="3028">You can't blame somebody for noticing. I mean, he's just there.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3031">50:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3031" data-t="3031">I'm Yeah. Sometimes you just notice things. Yeah. You just you just notice. You know, you're just standing off the side</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3037" data-t="3037">having a conversation. You just glance over. There's there's Michael Saylor.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3042" data-t="3042">Doing flight on his feet,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3043">50:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3043" data-t="3043">surrounded by a young boy, young person. Yeah. With longer from,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3048" data-t="3048">from the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3049" data-t="3049">the the Tech Coin podcast, from CryptoCo. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3054">50:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3054" data-t="3054">it is what it is.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3056" data-t="3056">You say what you want. And as as</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3059">50:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3059" data-t="3059">as Spetsky</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3060" data-t="3060">ever you ever seen Spetsky next to Michael Sailor? Seems like I don't know. Sailor and Spetsky. It seems like Sailor might like Spetsky based on what you're saying. The thing is is that it's hard to find Svetsky at these events because he's so tiny.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3074">51:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3074" data-t="3074">Yes.</span> <span class="cue" data-t="3074">He's so tiny. I mean, I was in an elevator with him once in Portugal, in Madera, actually,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3082" data-t="3082">And I almost stepped on him.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3084" data-t="3084">It was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3085" data-t="3085">I was really ashamed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3086" data-t="3086">because</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3087">51:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3087" data-t="3087">I really care about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3089" data-t="3089">respecting other people,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3092" data-t="3092">not, you know, getting in their space. But he was so small</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3096" data-t="3096">that I I almost</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3098" data-t="3098">smashed him. And I just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3101" data-t="3101">I was horrified because I thought, you know, what would that do</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3104">51:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3104" data-t="3104">to Bitcoin podcasts</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3106" data-t="3106">if I had killed Spotsky by stepping on him in the elevator?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3110" data-t="3110">Just, like, smashing him like a little bug. I mean,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3113">51:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3113" data-t="3113">where would I you about this? Did he say, hey. Watch where you're going.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3118" data-t="3118">It's comedy.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3119">51:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3119" data-t="3119">Yeah. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3121" data-t="3121">I apologized</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3122" data-t="3122">profusely.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3123" data-t="3123">He squeaked a few, you know, little curse words here and there at me. And it was you know, I took it because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3129" data-t="3129">I I did wrong, and I almost smashed him with my foot</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3133" data-t="3133">with, like, a toe.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3135">52:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3135" data-t="3135">So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3136" data-t="3136">yeah, but I was just, you know, I was just thinking about the horrors that would be, you know, if you would not if you didn't have this little</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3143" data-t="3143">Napoleon</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3144" data-t="3144">pushing, you know, these, like, really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3147" data-t="3147">anti women narratives in the space, like, I would be out of a job. And I just couldn't baton that. Yeah. So yeah. You'd be I But, yeah, I mean, I expect He's good for Bitcoin. You know? Yeah. Even Spetz, he's good. And and yeah. But to your question, I mean, as I said, it's hard to spot him, but it wouldn't surprise me if he and Sailor were best friends. Yeah. At at these parties. Yeah. I I think Sailor would would like him. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3171">52:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3171" data-t="3171">So I'm I'm not entirely</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3174" data-t="3174">familiar</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3175" data-t="3175">with Alex Fetzky's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3177" data-t="3177">anti,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3178" data-t="3178">female.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3179" data-t="3179">So is is he against</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3181">53:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3181" data-t="3181">men transitioning</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3184" data-t="3184">to sell NFTs?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3187">53:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3187" data-t="3187">Oh, yeah. Was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3189" data-t="3189">100%.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3191">53:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3191" data-t="3191">Yeah. Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3193" data-t="3193">He definitely</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3194" data-t="3194">thinks that women</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3196" data-t="3196">that, like like, one of the worst things that men ever did was give women the right to vote. So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3202" data-t="3202">I I I think that if, yeah, if men transitioned</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3206" data-t="3206">to be women to sell their NFTs,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3209">53:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3209" data-t="3209">that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3211" data-t="3211">you know, he might start talking about, like,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3213">53:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3213" data-t="3213">like, both sizes or something. This is why we need laws to protect men from taking salary cuts</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3220" data-t="3220">or from</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3223" data-t="3223">being able to vote just because they transition.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3228">53:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3228" data-t="3228">I mean, that's a pretty</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3229" data-t="3229">radical policy to want to restrict,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3234" data-t="3234">trans women for voting.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3236">53:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3236" data-t="3236">Would you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3237" data-t="3237">support</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3238" data-t="3238">a petition</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3240" data-t="3240">or would you be, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3242" data-t="3242">maybe support the other direction if somebody like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3246" data-t="3246">Smetsky</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3248">54:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3248" data-t="3248">wanted to propose a law that, you know, women didn't have to pay taxes, would you be offended by that or would you fight for your right? I mean, I think in my mind,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3259" data-t="3259">a progressive</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3260" data-t="3260">female Bitcoiner would</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3262" data-t="3262">absolutely fight for a right to pay taxes. Is that how you feel? Yeah. Look. I think, you know,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3268">54:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3268" data-t="3268">gay rights in the military</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3270" data-t="3270">was a really important thing. I think everyone has the right to put themselves out in the battlefield and be murdered</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3278" data-t="3278">or to go out in the battlefield, whether you're gay,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3281" data-t="3281">straight, trans,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3283" data-t="3283">or or woke,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3285" data-t="3285">to be able to take the lives of</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3287">54:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3287" data-t="3287">Die for die for Ukraine. Yeah. Yeah. And to die for Ukraine. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3292" data-t="3292">I completely think that this is totally in line, and, yeah, it would be wrong to take away a woman's right to pay taxes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3300" data-t="3300">I just couldn't support that. Yeah. I believe in gender equality in in all all areas. Yeah. I mean,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3307">55:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3307" data-t="3307">I I I think the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3309" data-t="3309">the the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3311" data-t="3311">more friendly policies</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3313" data-t="3313">towards homosexuals</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3315" data-t="3315">in the military</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3316" data-t="3316">was probably</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3317">55:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3317" data-t="3317">primarily out of necessity.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3319" data-t="3319">So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3322" data-t="3322">the CIA, for example,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3325" data-t="3325">like, really, really needed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3329" data-t="3329">acceptance</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3330" data-t="3330">of homosexuality</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3332">55:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3332" data-t="3332">because so many</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3333" data-t="3333">of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3334" data-t="3334">them were homosexual.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3336" data-t="3336">For whatever reason, I I don't I'm just noticing. I'm not making a judgment here,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3341" data-t="3341">but very many intelligence agents</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3344" data-t="3344">are homosexual</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3345">55:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3345" data-t="3345">for some reason. It might might be because the good candidate is because they don't have kids. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3351" data-t="3351">That might be, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3353" data-t="3353">if we're looking at Occam's razor, you know, people going and dealing with doing clandestine</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3360" data-t="3360">activities. Like, you you don't want those types of people to have kids anyways.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3364" data-t="3364">So they're they're good recruiting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3366" data-t="3366">You know, if you need to go spread democracy</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3370">56:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3370" data-t="3370">in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3372" data-t="3372">Syria, for example, and to work with Isis, like you don't want those types of individuals</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3377" data-t="3377">to have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3378" data-t="3378">children.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3380">56:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3380" data-t="3380">Yeah. Well, I think it's also,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3383" data-t="3383">and this is why,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3386" data-t="3386">there's so many feds</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3388" data-t="3388">on Bitcoin Twitter</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3390" data-t="3390">and spaces</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3392" data-t="3392">and group chats on Bitcoin podcasts</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3395">56:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3395" data-t="3395">is because these,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3399" data-t="3399">these CIA agents,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3400" data-t="3400">be it them, you know, many of these gay CIA agents, they're really good at OPSEC.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3405" data-t="3405">They know how to keep their,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3409" data-t="3409">their main account, their their</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3411" data-t="3411">their dockside, you know, their personal identity and their,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3415">56:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3415" data-t="3415">you know, their fed personality.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3417" data-t="3417">They're fed NIM on Twitter.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3420" data-t="3420">They keep those separate. And there's this because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3423" data-t="3423">they've learned to have good OPSEC and live double lives,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3428" data-t="3428">they're they're able to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3430" data-t="3430">maneuver undetected and then collect intelligence.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3433">57:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3433" data-t="3433">They collect intelligence on the other side.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3435" data-t="3435">It's like, you know, it's like the the show with Mel Gibson. He can hear what the women think. He's like, he's like a he's like an agent. Yeah. And I think this brings us back</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3443">57:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3443" data-t="3443">to Sailor because a lot of people think he is a CIA spook. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3448" data-t="3448">I think this would answer a lot of questions</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3451" data-t="3451">about Sailor's role</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3453" data-t="3453">and, you know, whether</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3456">57:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3456" data-t="3456">Sailor does a good OPSEC.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3457" data-t="3457">Yeah. We, we don't know much about his personal life.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3461">57:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3461" data-t="3461">Yeah. So I, you know, I think, yeah, that adds some</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3465" data-t="3465">fuel to the fire there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3466" data-t="3466">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3467" data-t="3467">I look, I look forward to the day that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3471" data-t="3471">Sailor</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3473" data-t="3473">transitions</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3474">57:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3474" data-t="3474">as well because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3476" data-t="3476">I think that that would be really good for Bitcoin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3482">58:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3482" data-t="3482">Yeah. Me too. Like, the last thing I wanna say about Saylor just is I I was I saw some pictures on Bitcoin Twitter, and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3490" data-t="3490">I think I made a good model posted that either Kacen was in,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3494" data-t="3494">Michael Saylor's, like, one of his ballrooms</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3497" data-t="3497">at his property.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3498" data-t="3498">And so that Eric Kayson was high on us. And I think that, I read on Stacker News that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3505" data-t="3505">Michael Saylor likes Eric Kayson's rants, his Bitcoin rants so much that it's like, it's almost like you hire a band or a comedian. He hires Eric Kasen</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3514">58:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3514" data-t="3514">to do private rants,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3517" data-t="3517">at his mansion. I just think that's so awesome. It's like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3520" data-t="3520">to have such good Bitcoin rants that he gets to do private shows for Michael Saylor. Yeah. I,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3526">58:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3526" data-t="3526">I I'm envious because obviously I'm trying to build a cult of personality. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3532" data-t="3532">I would need</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3533">58:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3533" data-t="3533">private to do like the rants, Bitcoin rants or whatever?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3538" data-t="3538">Yeah. Would you not I don't know. Would you would you rather do it for would you do a favorite influencer</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3543" data-t="3543">that you would like your cult personality</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3545" data-t="3545">to be friends with on Twitter?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3548">59:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3548" data-t="3548">Maybe Safa Dean.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3549">59:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3549" data-t="3549">Oh, that'd be a good one. Yeah. That'd be good. One of the topics I kinda wanted</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3555">59:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3555" data-t="3555">to wrap up with</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3556" data-t="3556">so one of the big so there's two pieces</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3559" data-t="3559">of breaking news.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3561" data-t="3561">During this recording, Bitcoin dipped</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3564" data-t="3564">below a 100 k and then went back above a 100 k.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3570" data-t="3570">So yellow doesn't have to start doing,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3573">59:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3573" data-t="3573">don't stop believing spaces again.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3576">59:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3576" data-t="3576">Good.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3577" data-t="3577">He deserves to retire.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3580">59:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3580" data-t="3580">Yeah. So the this this breaking story so Stacy Herbert just,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3585" data-t="3585">retweeted,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3587" data-t="3587">the the headline or the the post that the beagle did,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3593" data-t="3593">discussing that Max Kaiser and Steve</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3597" data-t="3597">Stacy Herbert have been evicted from El Salvador. So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3602" data-t="3602">on the topic</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3603">1:00:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3603" data-t="3603">of political</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3605" data-t="3605">demagogues and cults of personalities,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3607" data-t="3607">is this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3609" data-t="3609">kind of a fall for grace</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3612" data-t="3612">for Naive Bukele?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3617" data-t="3617">And what do you see the outcome for the general Bitcoin ecosystem being with this news? Are you on mute? I think you're on mute. You're back. No. You're not back. Sorry. I</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3628">1:00:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3628" data-t="3628">suddenly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3629" data-t="3629">I was watching,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3631" data-t="3631">What We Do in the Shadows, and it just started playing randomly. So Oh. It was like I could hear it in the background</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3637" data-t="3637">to stop it. Sorry about that. But yes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3642" data-t="3642">So yeah. You know, this is really big news.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3645" data-t="3645">I'm still digesting</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3647">1:00:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3647" data-t="3647">what this means for Bitcoin that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3651" data-t="3651">Max Keiser</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3652" data-t="3652">has been deported from El Salvador.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3656" data-t="3656">The</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3657" data-t="3657">the deal with the IMF</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3659" data-t="3659">sounds</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3661">1:01:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3661" data-t="3661">very</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3662" data-t="3662">good for Fiat,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3663" data-t="3663">very good for Tether.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3666" data-t="3666">And, I don't know. I don't know. This,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3669" data-t="3669">I mean, it could</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3671" data-t="3671">you know, they say everything is good for Bitcoin. So</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3675">1:01:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Margo</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3675" data-t="3675">maybe maybe this is good. Maybe this is somehow still good.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3679">1:01:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3679" data-t="3679">I mean, I, you know, I read that, you know, that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3684" data-t="3684">that Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3685" data-t="3685">was being used by the plebs in El Salvador, but even though</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3690" data-t="3690">Bukele put</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3692" data-t="3692">a lot of people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3693" data-t="3693">in prison,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3695">1:01:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3695" data-t="3695">the, Tether on Tron gang just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3698" data-t="3698">basically, the Tether gang just kind of recaptured</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3702" data-t="3702">and, you know, kind of had a negotiation with Bukele. Now it's, he's gone, but he's gone to Tether. Yeah. I guess he thinks he could put more people in jail with</span></span></p> +