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diff --git a/wiki/transcripts/build-back-better-with-mike-behind-the-podcast-episode-7.md b/wiki/transcripts/build-back-better-with-mike-behind-the-podcast-episode-7.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..c6b167fe @@ -0,0 +1,911 @@ +--- +title: "Transcript: Build Back Better With Mike | Behind The Podcast Episode 7" +type: transcript +episode: build-back-better-with-mike-behind-the-podcast-episode-7 +generated: true +date: 2025-01-23 +audio: "https://feeds.fountain.fm/R8scBF2Wiykm0YVldsHQ/items/cVod6MJCD8k3OMsiRaQn/files/AUDIO---DEFAULT---ad517a12-d63d-4f60-a78b-7dedea60aaee.mp3" +duration: "1:32:07" +sources: + - raw/episodes/build-back-better-with-mike-behind-the-podcast-episode-7/bundle.json +--- + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-0">0:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kailey Welch</b> <span class="cue" id="t-0" data-t="0">Hello there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2" data-t="2">You are listening to an episode of Bugle News newest show behind the podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-7" data-t="7">Today, Rod and Dick are interviewing groundbreaking Wave Lake artist,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-11" data-t="11">Rundance,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-12" data-t="12">the former producer and host of the High Hash Rate podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-16" data-t="16">Here's his hit track, 21,000,000.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-20">0:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Kailey Welch</b> <span class="cue" id="t-20" data-t="20">If you like the track, make sure to go over to his Wave Lake page, which is linked in the show notes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-26" data-t="26">Enjoy.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-29">0:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rundance</b> <span class="cue" id="t-29" data-t="29">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-30" data-t="30">Here.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-31" data-t="31">Yo. Clinging to the dirt.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-37" data-t="37">Yeah. In the land of the optimists,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-40" data-t="40">probably watching too much much Antonopoulos,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-42" data-t="42">contemplating the irony of free markets while I'm sinking deeper into the depths of green tar pits. I got dead up to my armpits so far. I'm farmin' fiat, far from the dreams I see not. Got a vision to be living as one of the elite. I just gotta get back up on my feet and opt out of the Ponzi. This zombie economy and this horror turned comedy. Scarcity is novelty. Max Keiser put it best to the nation. This is the global insurrection against banker occupation.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-69">1:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rundance</b> <span class="cue" id="t-69" data-t="69">It's hard enough when your credit cards weigh a ton. Waiting for unemployment,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-73" data-t="73">stimulus hasn't come. You're waiting for anything to break out. Make a run, man. Fuck 2020.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-78" data-t="78">I'm ready for '21.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-81" data-t="81">Now I ain't trying to strike you rich</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-84">1:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rundance</b> <span class="cue" id="t-84" data-t="84">or aim at the billions.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-87">1:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rundance</b> <span class="cue" id="t-87" data-t="87">I just wanna be one.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-89">1:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rundance</b> <span class="cue" id="t-89" data-t="89">One at 21,000,000.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-92">1:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rundance</b> <span class="cue" id="t-92" data-t="92">Yeah. Now I ain't trying to strike you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-109" data-t="109">waiting in giant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-110" data-t="110">lines. Stocks crash as Brian flies. My tired eyes, the blocks slide back, the clocks turn wise. So crank the hydrant assholes, and flood the nation with free capital right up to your clavicles.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-121" data-t="121">Strip the system of its assets and scrap it all. Pull the trash out onto the backs of the taxpayer. Add the gas of passive cash and light a match.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-129" data-t="129">Watch it all burn down in ashes and hashtags. What will it be? Fragile bubbles and packed gaps. Nah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-135" data-t="135">Rather, I stay humble and stack sets.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-137">2:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rundance</b> <span class="cue" id="t-137" data-t="137">And at the end of the tunnel, I see a light that is brilliant.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-141" data-t="141">I'm just praying I'll be just one of 21,000,000.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-144" data-t="144">And in the wake of the Fed printing them trillions, I only wanna be one of 21,000,000.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-149" data-t="149">From the corner of Chicago and 38th Street came a movement moving toward us at the speed of a tweet. Now there's looting in communities, so root and obscene. We turn stupid in rooms, they label COVID nineteen. YouTube's glued while grandma zoom in assuming you're lacking grooming. Grouping together unless you're stuck on a cruise ship. So who's the loser? Who's the bullet that you gotta outmaneuver? Who's the future? Who's the boomer? Who to turn to when that news turns into rumors? Who's that person in the mirror you're accusing? It's you, sir. Boking systems breed social distance breed. COVID systems breed police victims. Not to mention the feds. I'm only printing that. Holding Bitcoin only fixes.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-185">3:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rundance</b> <span class="cue" id="t-185" data-t="185">Now</span> <span class="cue" id="t-187" data-t="187">now now I ain't trying to strike you rich</span> <span class="cue" id="t-190" data-t="190">or aim at the billions.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-192" data-t="192">I just wanna be one</span> <span class="cue" id="t-195" data-t="195">one of 21,000,000.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-197">3:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rundance</b> <span class="cue" id="t-197" data-t="197">And if Satoshi himself turns out to be a civilian,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-201" data-t="201">I still wanna be wanna</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-204">3:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rundance</b> <span class="cue" id="t-204" data-t="204">be, wanna 21,000,000.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-208">3:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-208" data-t="208">Oh.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-252">4:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-252" data-t="252">Welcome back to Behind the Podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-255" data-t="255">I'm Ron Palmer. I'm with Richard Grieser and today we are talking to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-261" data-t="261">Mike. Mike</span> <span class="cue" id="t-263" data-t="263">from the High Hashrate podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-266" data-t="266">which we'll get into that. But, Mike, how's it going?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-270" data-t="270">Are you high tonight?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-273">4:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-273" data-t="273">All good. Yeah. All good. I I'm I'm not high tonight. What happened to I half straight?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-279" data-t="279">Did you did you did did you lose all your weed in the fire in California?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-284">4:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-284" data-t="284">Did you get roped into, like, Narcotics Anonymous or Alcoholics Anonymous or something like that? Is that why you quit podcasting and stopped smoking weed? I got I got a really</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-296">4:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-296" data-t="296">far down,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-298" data-t="298">in the weeds of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-300" data-t="300">just too much to do. So I I had to You had too much to do. To do. That's what it was. Podcast?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-306" data-t="306">That's that's true. I had too many hours of Bitcoin podcasts that I was listening to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-311" data-t="311">and I couldn't keep up.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-313" data-t="313">And so But you were getting your forty hours. I was doing way more than that, dude.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-318">5:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-318" data-t="318">Way more. Did you trade did you trade for, like, a different substance? Like, are you on cocaine now?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-325">5:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-325" data-t="325">Pure nicotine.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-327" data-t="327">Very</span> <span class="cue" id="t-329" data-t="329">good. Straight to the veins</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-331">5:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-331" data-t="331">constantly. So you would, would you say, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-334" data-t="334">you were a, like, a workaholic, you were like a podcastaholic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-338" data-t="338">and that negatively impacted</span> <span class="cue" id="t-340" data-t="340">your</span> <span class="cue" id="t-342" data-t="342">your listening impacted your ability</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-345">5:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-345" data-t="345">to produce. That's right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-347" data-t="347">Yeah. It's very sad too.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-350" data-t="350">I I miss the podcast. I I I wanna come back to it, but I I haven't I just haven't had the time because I'm I just gotta catch up on all the Bitcoin podcasts. I think sometimes,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-361">6:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-361" data-t="361">you know, as as people that that spend their time,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-366" data-t="366">you know, really changing the world</span> <span class="cue" id="t-368" data-t="368">and documenting history</span> <span class="cue" id="t-371" data-t="371">and expressing ourselves</span> <span class="cue" id="t-373" data-t="373">artistically.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-374" data-t="374">They're just dry spells</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-376">6:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-376" data-t="376">at different points where you are just walking in the wilderness. That seem relatable right now? Are you?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-384">6:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-384" data-t="384">A 100%.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-385">6:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-385" data-t="385">You do you have, like, that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-390" data-t="390">that that background, that tradition, that lineage</span> <span class="cue" id="t-393" data-t="393">of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-395" data-t="395">for people of people in your family who have been</span> <span class="cue" id="t-399" data-t="399">walking in the wilderness,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-402" data-t="402">overcoming</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-404">6:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-404" data-t="404">those tribulations.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-406" data-t="406">Are you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-408" data-t="408">what you said, you know where I'm getting you know where I'm going with this?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-411">6:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-411" data-t="411">Do do do my do I have a history of people overcoming tribulations?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-417">6:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-417" data-t="417">And wandering around in the wilderness?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-419">6:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-419" data-t="419">And wandering around? Yeah, I think so. For forty years?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-423" data-t="423">I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-424" data-t="424">have,</span> <span class="cue" data-t="424">I have a bit of that in my history. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-428">7:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-428" data-t="428">Interesting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-429" data-t="429">So you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-431" data-t="431">were born to podcast then. So you were born to overcome</span> <span class="cue" id="t-436" data-t="436">this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-437" data-t="437">walk in the wilderness</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-439">7:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-439" data-t="439">to dominate the media and the podcast industry once again. Maybe I have a calling for it. Yeah. That's true. Calling. Maybe. Maybe you do. But but I just hope it doesn't take me forty years to get back to it. I hope I don't have to listen to forty years of podcast.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-454">7:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-454" data-t="454">Yeah. Well, you said you had some catching up to do. And, you know, a Bitcoin podcast always pays his debts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-460" data-t="460">And but speaking of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-461" data-t="461">somebody who,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-463" data-t="463">had a lot of catching up to do,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-465" data-t="465">yesterday was a big day.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-467" data-t="467">The pardon</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-469">7:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-469" data-t="469">full pardon for Ross Ulbert. He was freed from from prison.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-475" data-t="475">What's your reaction to that? How how did you celebrate this? I immediately checked the price. I thought we're gonna have a huge, like, boom in the price.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-483" data-t="483">That's all I was thinking about. I was, like, just pardon him so he can moon.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-488">8:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-488" data-t="488">And, you know, it didn't do anything. I don't know. Like, what was your reaction? Oh, I was just I'm very glad that he's out. But, you know, I was doing a project on him. I was, like, you know, putting together an edit for,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-500" data-t="500">a company to just you know, like, a biopic of him.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-504" data-t="504">And, I got to learn a lot about his life. So I was just happy to hear that he's that he's actually free.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-510" data-t="510">You know, it would be nice to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-513" data-t="513">you know, hear from him and and and see him.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-516" data-t="516">Obviously</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-517">8:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-517" data-t="517">It would be the perfect time for him to watch a a meme coin. I mean, he is the biggest meme</span> <span class="cue" id="t-524" data-t="524">in the space. I mean, it it transcends,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-527" data-t="527">the podcast space. They like, they've talked about this in the New York Times, in the forum media, forum press, biggest meme in the space.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-535" data-t="535">Probably</span> <span class="cue" id="t-536" data-t="536">perfect time to watch a coin. This could I mean, it could it could be the first trillion dollar. It could flip I mean, you know, it wouldn't flip Bitcoin, obviously, but it could could flip Ethereum and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-547" data-t="547">Tether. I mean,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-548">9:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-548" data-t="548">what would you do?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-550" data-t="550">I'd definitely be enticed to look at that coin. I mean, by the I mean, you were I remember listening to you on high hash rate. You said that you, you know, you used,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-562" data-t="562">like Polkadot and Chainlink. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-565" data-t="565">I mean, coin that's way more way more lucrative. I think it would vary. It</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-571">9:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-571" data-t="571">would probably</span> <span class="cue" id="t-573" data-t="573">flip Donald Trump's meme coin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-576" data-t="576">And if it didn't,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-577" data-t="577">that would be a very sad day. It could be the first meme coin built on Monero. Well, I think the best way to celebrate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-585" data-t="585">Ross being freed</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-587">9:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-587" data-t="587">is to hang out here with Mike and do this interview. Do you think Mike that that people are going like, a lot of the girls in the space are gonna wanna be Ross's girlfriend now that he gets out?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-599">9:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-599" data-t="599">He's probably got a few people calling him. Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-602" data-t="602">Asking his mom, you know, when when is he able to go outside?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-606">10:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-606" data-t="606">Nandrick</span> <span class="cue" id="t-608" data-t="608">and David Bailey are flying to his house this weekend and bringing him</span> <span class="cue" id="t-613" data-t="613">homemade baklava. That's a true story that's happening. Like, that is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-617" data-t="617">you get out of prison first first couple days free.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-621" data-t="621">You get to hang out with David Bailey and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-624" data-t="624">Mandrake is making you baklava. Like that is that almost makes it worth it. I guess that's a good</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-630">10:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-630" data-t="630">consolation prize. Who would you want to hang out with after getting out of prison for ten years? Like, David Bailey from Bitcoin Magazine,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-638" data-t="638">Peter McCormick,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-640" data-t="640">Stefan Lavera,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-642" data-t="642">Neil Jacobs. Like, who do you wanna hang out with?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-645">10:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-645" data-t="645">In in the in the Bitcoin Suite? Podcast.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-648">10:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-648" data-t="648">Ronald Breedlove.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-649">10:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-649" data-t="649">Yeah. Which Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-651" data-t="651">podcast would be your first appearance?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-654">10:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-654" data-t="654">Oh, that's a good question.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-656" data-t="656">After ten years? Oh, man. I would probably have to go with the the Rocket Bitcoin voice.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-663">11:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-663" data-t="663">I have to go with He doesn't know. But he doesn't he doesn't know. That's the problem. He that's what we said. He has so much catching up to do. So many forty hours to catch up on because this is a huge decision. He's gonna launch his meme coin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-675" data-t="675">or, you know, maybe he's not, but he if he wants to, he's gotta pay for the right podcast. And he he doesn't have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-682" data-t="682">he hasn't been able to check Fountain. He hasn't seen the Fountain rankings week after week.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-687" data-t="687">He he he's gonna have to trust</span> <span class="cue" id="t-691" data-t="691">that we're gonna have to trust that, like, hopefully, somebody</span> <span class="cue" id="t-694" data-t="694">who has his best interests at heart</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-697">11:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-697" data-t="697">helps him decide which podcast to go on.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-700">11:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-700" data-t="700">So then it would be a question of who do you trust to tell you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-704" data-t="704">you know,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-705">11:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-705" data-t="705">which podcast. Again, he doesn't he doesn't know because he has to listen to Bitcoin podcasts. He doesn't know who which influencers are trustworthy, which ones are Bitcoin only, who use, you know, self sought, like, these cold cards.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-716" data-t="716">Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-718" data-t="718">that is, you know</span> <span class="cue" id="t-719" data-t="719">I think it's funny. From our perspective. It's easy from our perspective to know or to say what he should do or just but it's much harder for him. I think there's a very easy answer for that question.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-730">12:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-730" data-t="730">I think it's obviously Dennis Porter.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-733" data-t="733">Mhmm. That's who I would go to to to tell him which one you have to listen to to a year. I think Dennis Porter could</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-739">12:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-739" data-t="739">just give</span> <span class="cue" id="t-741" data-t="741">Ross</span> <span class="cue" id="t-742" data-t="742">a list of all of his biggest announcements,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-746" data-t="746">and that would catch Ross up pretty quickly to where we're at.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-750" data-t="750">You read</span> <span class="cue" id="t-752" data-t="752">Dennis Port was a 100 biggest announcements</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-754">12:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-754" data-t="754">that then you maybe that's how you orange pill everybody. Like, this is where this is where we're up to. Just read Dennis's announcements. It's like the TDLR,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-762">12:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-762" data-t="762">really.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-763">12:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-763" data-t="763">You know? Might have to open source this. Maybe we should do a compilation of his top 100 announcements.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-770">12:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-770" data-t="770">That that is why Dennis Porter is so important because then, like, if everybody now, they go they they don't list they don't read a full book. They don't read a full article. They don't even listen</span> <span class="cue" id="t-780" data-t="780">necessarily to a full podcast. They just go to AI, and they ask it to summarize it for them. So people are going to to AI, and they're asking, like, explain Bitcoin to me. And AI doesn't do a very good job.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-791" data-t="791">Dennis Porter actually is outperforming</span> <span class="cue" id="t-794" data-t="794">AI.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-795" data-t="795">He's that</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-796">13:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-796" data-t="796">powerful. He's not efficient. Kind of going back to the desert topic, Mike, I feel for you right now.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-802" data-t="802">And I will tell you if history</span> <span class="cue" id="t-806" data-t="806">you know, history doesn't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-808" data-t="808">typically repeat itself, but it does rhyme.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-811" data-t="811">And I would highly suggest if you wanna fast track your time</span> <span class="cue" id="t-815" data-t="815">out of the wilderness,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-817">13:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-817" data-t="817">just don't worship any golden calves,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-820" data-t="820">and I think you'll be golden. I like that piece of advice.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-823" data-t="823">Thank you. So yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-825" data-t="825">So you and I have a history together. I I believe this is the first time you've ever done a podcast with Rod.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-832" data-t="832">We've done some chatting behind the scenes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-835" data-t="835">in the group chats</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-837">13:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-837" data-t="837">for some time now. Yes. Yes.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-839">13:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-839" data-t="839">We have.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-841">14:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-841" data-t="841">So I believe the last time I talked to you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-844" data-t="844">we talked a lot about the importance of reading Ayn Rand.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-847" data-t="847">And so I'm just curious if you made any,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-851" data-t="851">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-853" data-t="853">New Year's resolutions that are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-856" data-t="856">logical and and would would obviously better you.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-860">14:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-860" data-t="860">Yeah. Did</span> <span class="cue" id="t-862" data-t="862">you complete your goal of reading Ayn Rand cover to cover twice?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-868" data-t="868">I think you have like three months to do it. You said you were really busy</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-873">14:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-873" data-t="873">with listening to Bitcoin podcast, but were you also busy reading I and Ray and Comfort to Cover? I missed it. I haven't gotten to it. I bought I bought two copies just so I wouldn't have to go,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-884" data-t="884">you know, just to the only one. I would know, you know, which one was first and which one was second, but I haven't gotten to them. So I'm making this year</span> <span class="cue" id="t-894" data-t="894">the year</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-895">14:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-895" data-t="895">that that's gonna happen. What are you doing to hold yourself accountable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-899" data-t="899">to reading</span> <span class="cue" id="t-901" data-t="901">and listening</span> <span class="cue" id="t-903" data-t="903">and catching up on the stuff you had to listen to and restarting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-907" data-t="907">your podcast in the bull market?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-910" data-t="910">How many cigarettes</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-911">15:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-911" data-t="911">is this gonna require</span> <span class="cue" id="t-913" data-t="913">you to smoke per day? I've gone through quite a lot. I'll tell you that. What is your what is your</span> <span class="cue" id="t-920" data-t="920">brand of choice?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-921">15:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-921" data-t="921">It's a it's a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-924" data-t="924">I can't even I don't even know what this thing is. It's like a I think it's a Russian brand.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-930" data-t="930">It's called HEETS.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-933" data-t="933">Apparently illegal in America,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-936" data-t="936">but I get it through extra legal means.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-940">15:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-940" data-t="940">Obviously, you have some,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-942">15:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-942" data-t="942">pretty high quality non KYC cigarettes. I would say so. I mean, they don't you know what's so cool about these things? They don't they don't burn. They require, like, a vaping machine</span> <span class="cue" id="t-952" data-t="952">that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-954" data-t="954">that heats it up until,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-956" data-t="956">until you get the nicotine out. And then that's about it. So So then you have all these, like This sounds this sounds like a scam. This sounds like</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-965">16:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-965" data-t="965">this sounds like if this sounds like Ethereum</span> <span class="cue" id="t-967" data-t="967">for cigarettes. This sounds like proof of stake</span> <span class="cue" id="t-970" data-t="970">cigarettes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-971" data-t="971">What what's going on here?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-973">16:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-973" data-t="973">Yeah. I'd say that the I would probably liken it to to a shitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-978" data-t="978">cigarette</span> <span class="cue" id="t-979" data-t="979">for sure.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-980" data-t="980">But the benefits,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-982" data-t="982">I think, outweigh</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-986">16:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-986" data-t="986">That's what Cardano people said.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-988">16:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-988" data-t="988">That's I know. I know.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-991" data-t="991">I I'm not proud of it,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-993">16:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-993" data-t="993">you know, but I can't stop. So I just looked up the page count of Atlas Shrugged,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-998" data-t="998">and it is only</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1001" data-t="1001">1,168</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1003" data-t="1003">pages.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1004" data-t="1004">So if you read 30 pages a day of Atlas Shrugged for the whole year, you can read it front to back, like, nine times</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1011">16:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1011" data-t="1011">if you wanted to. 30 pages of Ayn Rand every day.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1015" data-t="1015">Of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1016" data-t="1016">Atlas Shrugged. Of Atlas Shrugged specifically.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1019" data-t="1019">Yeah. Yeah. No. I, I think it's a good goal.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1022" data-t="1022">I'm I'm already behind then. I haven't started. Is this kind of like,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1026">17:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1026" data-t="1026">I didn't get into Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1028" data-t="1028">soon enough</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1029" data-t="1029">type of thing for you? Like, I didn't read Alice Shrugged soon enough?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1034">17:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1034" data-t="1034">I I do feel</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1036" data-t="1036">a bit behind on that front for sure.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1040" data-t="1040">Like, I I I feel like I can't talk to talk to other Bitcoiners.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1043" data-t="1043">You know, I I have something to hide.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1045">17:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1045" data-t="1045">Woah. Woah. Woah. Let's let's examine that. What is what does that mean?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1050" data-t="1050">Why</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1051" data-t="1051">why why do you feel</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1054" data-t="1054">ashamed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1056" data-t="1056">around around</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1057">17:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1057" data-t="1057">people that are orange build? Oh, I don't feel I I I feel ashamed just because I, you know, it's sort of the imposter syndrome</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1065" data-t="1065">where you you haven't read,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1068" data-t="1068">you know, Atlas Shrugged</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1069" data-t="1069">front to back twice.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1072" data-t="1072">And you know everyone you know everyone else has.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1074" data-t="1074">You know?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1075">17:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1075" data-t="1075">So let's evaluate this some more. So what is your version of Atlas Shrugged that you've settled for? Like, what what's your old coin of books that you read yearly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1085" data-t="1085">twice</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1086" data-t="1086">a year, front to back?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1089" data-t="1089">Is it like Broken Money by Lynn Alden?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1095">18:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1095" data-t="1095">Yeah. I, yeah, I haven't really picked up a book in a long time,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1099" data-t="1099">to be honest.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1101" data-t="1101">I think the last book I read was an audiobook, so I listened. I didn't really read it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1106">18:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1106" data-t="1106">Well, what audiobook? I'll tell you which</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1110">18:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1110" data-t="1110">book I read last. It was Andy Edstrom's book.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1114" data-t="1114">I don't even remember the name of it, but it was his.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1116">18:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1116" data-t="1116">That's a great, that's a great endorsement of how good the book must have been. Yeah. What about the Bitcoin standard? What about,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1125" data-t="1125">you know, there's a</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1127">18:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1127" data-t="1127">The last and then I'll say this. The the other last book I read, a Bitcoin book, was probably,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1135" data-t="1135">the Bitcoin rabbi's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1137" data-t="1137">children's book.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1139">18:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1139" data-t="1139">The Bitcoin rabbi's chook. Can you explain what that is? He</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1144">19:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1144" data-t="1144">he made a I think it's called Bitcoin</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1147">19:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1147" data-t="1147">money. Let me see. I made a book about Bitcoin money.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1152">19:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1152" data-t="1152">Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1154" data-t="1154">money</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1155" data-t="1155">children's book. Yeah. It's called Bitcoin money.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1158">19:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1158" data-t="1158">Oh, I would just I would just read my children broken money by when all of But you're not Jewish, Rob.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1164" data-t="1164">That is true. That is true.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1167">19:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1167" data-t="1167">Yeah. This this book I read quite a bit, so it keeps me in touch. So</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1171">19:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1171" data-t="1171">Andy Edstrom's book</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1174" data-t="1174">is called Why Buy Bitcoin?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1176" data-t="1176">So that's pretty clear why you didn't remember it. I mean, what a stupid fucking name for a book. And</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1183">19:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1183" data-t="1183">did it did it work? Did you did you Yeah. Yeah. Did you buy some? I bought some Bitcoin. Yeah. I bought some Bitcoin</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1189">19:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1189" data-t="1189">after it. You buy more,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1190" data-t="1190">or did you buy less than you would have?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1193">19:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1193" data-t="1193">I I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1194" data-t="1194">didn't buy as much</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1196" data-t="1196">as I used to before reading the book,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1198" data-t="1198">but I did buy some.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1202" data-t="1202">I think immediately after I I finished the last words</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1206" data-t="1206">on the last page. I think good job. You know, I'll I'll</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1211">20:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1211" data-t="1211">I'll buy some Bitcoin. Thanks. The answer</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1213">20:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1213" data-t="1213">the answer to why buy Bitcoin is it's it's the most obvious.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1219" data-t="1219">It's almost like you shouldn't have to ask it. It's you buy Bitcoin so you can afford taxes.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1224">20:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1224" data-t="1224">Why else would you buy it? I don't remember reading that part of the of the book. But</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1232">20:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1232" data-t="1232">so yeah. He he wrote hundreds of pages to to not say the obvious, which is to afford your taxes. What I think everybody has a different reason why they buy Bitcoin. Everybody gets interested in you know, they they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1247" data-t="1247">they come for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1248" data-t="1248">variety of reasons and and they they stay to be able to afford to pay taxes. Right? If you were Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1256" data-t="1256">If you were,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1258" data-t="1258">you know, in an elevator somewhere</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1261" data-t="1261">and,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1263">21:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1263" data-t="1263">like, a young</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1264" data-t="1264">18 year old boy looks at you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1267" data-t="1267">and they look over you and they say, wow.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1270" data-t="1270">You got some nice headphones on. It looks like you listen to a lot of really good podcasts. You must be really smart. You must be rich.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1279" data-t="1279">You must be able to afford taxes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1282" data-t="1282">And</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1283">21:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1283" data-t="1283">they ask you how you did it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1285" data-t="1285">Like, hey, man.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1287" data-t="1287">Can you just explain, like, how do you have these nice headphones and how do you afford taxes?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1292" data-t="1292">Like, what what would you be your elevator pitch for him</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1297" data-t="1297">on Why Buy Bitcoin? I'd say,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1301">21:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1301" data-t="1301">this book will explain to you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1305" data-t="1305">the ins and outs</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1306" data-t="1306">of why you should buy Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1310" data-t="1310">It it doesn't I don't know if it has any chapters on</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1314" data-t="1314">affording taxes,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1317">21:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1317" data-t="1317">but it will So your so your pitch</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1321" data-t="1321">to this lady, this four eighteen year old kid, is you're gonna shill Andy Epstein's book with a stupid fucking name. That's the best you can find.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1329">22:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1329" data-t="1329">I don't know if I'd shill Andy Edstrom's book to the 18 year old kid. That's what we just said. That's what you just said you would do. I I thought that's the scenario I'm I'm, like, locked into. We're giving you a elevator pitch, and you're maybe this is why</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1343">22:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1343" data-t="1343">you've been struggling to Orangeville people is because you've been recommending</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1348" data-t="1348">Andy Edstrom spoke to them. Maybe</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1350" data-t="1350">it's time to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1353" data-t="1353">to have a more thoughtful strategy. You just said somebody</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1356" data-t="1356">asked me about Bitcoin, and my first response is I thought the scenario I was supposed to tell them to read Andy Edstrom's book. Yep. But you that is that is there's so many different ways that you could approach this, especially you could talk to them. It's just I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1371" data-t="1371">Andy Edstrom, former Goldman Sachs employee,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1375">22:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1375" data-t="1375">who's got</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1376" data-t="1376">a a multisay</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1378" data-t="1378">Bitcoin company.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1379" data-t="1379">I don't know if that's a great first step.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1382">23:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1382" data-t="1382">We don't give a shit about Andy as terms opinion.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1385" data-t="1385">Here.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1387">23:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1387" data-t="1387">He's not a Bitcoin broadcaster. He's an author. He gives a shit. Alright. So you're asking me how I would orange pill this 18 year old boy in the elevator? You you just have to If you if you were alone in the elevator</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1397">23:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1397" data-t="1397">with a young boy, how would you orange pill?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1401">23:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1401" data-t="1401">I would say well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1403" data-t="1403">I'd ask his name first.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1405" data-t="1405">And then once he gave me that It's very polite. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1409">23:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1409" data-t="1409">Let me start with 1. I'd say with man First of all, first of all, what did he just say? That's why there's so many orange cells. They wouldn't even stop to ask a young boy his name before he tried Orangeville, and they just go right into the spiel. At least Mike is taking the time</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1425" data-t="1425">to get to</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1426">23:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1426" data-t="1426">know. Yeah. You gotta be careful out there, guys. If you get too excited,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1432" data-t="1432">they might be a little bit too young. You need the KYCM.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1436">23:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1436" data-t="1436">I I probably ask him.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1438" data-t="1438">I mean, I only have, what, thirty seconds.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1442" data-t="1442">I'd probably I'd probably tell him, hey.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1444" data-t="1444">I'm I'm you from the future, and I'm just telling you, you need to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1450" data-t="1450">learn a little bit about this thing called Bitcoin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1454">24:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1454" data-t="1454">That's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1456" data-t="1456">that is, I think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1457" data-t="1457">a very</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1460" data-t="1460">creative, like, and a potentially</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1462" data-t="1462">effective approach</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1464" data-t="1464">now. But I think before somebody should use that approach,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1468">24:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1468" data-t="1468">they should think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1470" data-t="1470">if I was a young boy and a man got in an elevator and told me that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1475" data-t="1475">I was him from the future</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1477" data-t="1477">and that you have close to me, would that would would you see that man be like, I don't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1483" data-t="1483">wanna be that guy in the future or I want to be that guy in the future. That guy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1489" data-t="1489">has expensive headphones.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1491">24:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1491" data-t="1491">He must be successful. I mean, if I was a black kid and you said that to me, I'd be pretty concerned.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1498" data-t="1498">Like,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1499">24:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1499" data-t="1499">go home to my mom and be like What what did Michael Jackson have? Because I think I have them. Well, I would I would definitely</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1506">25:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1506" data-t="1506">assess if I was the 18 year old kid, I'd I'd have to assess the tone of this guy's</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1511">25:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1511" data-t="1511">Yeah. That's it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1512" data-t="1512">That's a threat assessment.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1514" data-t="1514">Is this guy trying to scam me? Is this guy trying to sell me shit coins?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1518">25:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1518" data-t="1518">Does he have a wrench in his backpack? If you wanna know how I got my headphones,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1522" data-t="1522">they're not that expensive.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1524" data-t="1524">They look expensive, but they're not that expensive. But I do spend a lot of time listening to Bitcoin podcasts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1531" data-t="1531">And maybe you don't need a expensive set of headphones, but maybe you should</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1535" data-t="1535">try it yourself. So if I were if I were him, I would be I I think I would</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1540">25:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1540" data-t="1540">at least listen to that message. Okay. So now you're new you're not gonna show Andy Edstrom.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1545" data-t="1545">They're gonna give him homework.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1548">25:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1548" data-t="1548">I'm gonna I'll give him a little bit of homework. Something to think about, I'd say. And that's about it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1554">25:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1554" data-t="1554">Andy's book might might might be fine. I haven't read it. But the name sucks. Like you should change the name and republish it. And then just like, why the fuck are you writing a book called why buy Bitcoin</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1568">26:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1568" data-t="1568">when Bitcoin's already won? That's true. Like like Okay. Let let but let's try this approach, Mike.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1575" data-t="1575">If you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1577" data-t="1577">we're not gonna have thirty seconds on the elevator with a young man.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1582" data-t="1582">You were gonna</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1584" data-t="1584">you were gonna</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1585" data-t="1585">Hokey read your book. What are you gonna name? What is gonna be the title</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1589">26:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1589" data-t="1589">of your book? Oh, it's a good question.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1591" data-t="1591">If I wrote a book on on why buy Bitcoin</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1596">26:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1596" data-t="1596">or, like, why you should buy Bitcoin? Yeah. We're not but you're gonna try,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1601" data-t="1601">hopefully,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1602" data-t="1602">to come up with a better title than that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1605" data-t="1605">What's your title? Do you know what I mean? But not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1608" data-t="1608">not not just don't not just trying to think of what would be a better title. What would your title be as as Mike from High Hashrate?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1615">26:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1615" data-t="1615">I think a good title for a book is Have Fun Staying Poor. And how do you and what what's the plot of what's the story of this book? Well, you'd probably have to go into the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1627" data-t="1627">I mean, this is nothing that I'd be able to write, but you probably have to go into the history of money.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1632" data-t="1632">And then</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1633" data-t="1633">you might</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1634">27:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1634" data-t="1634">So you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna title it, Have Fun Staying Poor. And you're gonna tell them the history of seashells and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1644" data-t="1644">silver. You're gonna tell them the history of money.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1646">27:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1646" data-t="1646">No. He's gonna he's gonna tell the history of the Rothschild</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1649" data-t="1649">bankers and how we're all fucked. There you go.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1652" data-t="1652">So Okay.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1654" data-t="1654">Which books would you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1656" data-t="1656">look at as potential sources</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1659" data-t="1659">for the history of money</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1661">27:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1661" data-t="1661">What would be, like, your top five? I don't have a single one. I've never read a book on the history of money.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1666">27:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1666" data-t="1666">Well, you shouldn't put that in your book then. You've never read the Bitcoin standard. You've never read broken money. You've never met</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1674" data-t="1674">read Layered Money. You've Lot Size Wars.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1678" data-t="1678">Rothbard,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1681" data-t="1681">his history of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1683" data-t="1683">banking. I forgot what the long title is.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1686">28:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1686" data-t="1686">This this is what I'm telling you guys. This is the imposter syndrome. I'm,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1690" data-t="1690">I I'm, like, shamed.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1692">28:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1692" data-t="1692">You're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1694" data-t="1694">failing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1695" data-t="1695">so many purity tests right now. It's true.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1698">28:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1698" data-t="1698">It's true. So</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1699">28:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1699" data-t="1699">instead of talking about purity tests you are failing,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1703" data-t="1703">I'm curious</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1706" data-t="1706">about what purity tests</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1708" data-t="1708">you're passing right now.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1712">28:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1712" data-t="1712">Are you buying micro strategy?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1715" data-t="1715">Mhmm.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1716">28:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1716" data-t="1716">I'm buying a little bit of MicroStrategy.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1718">28:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1718" data-t="1718">It's true. So that's that's going through. That's another failure. That's another failure. We're looking for success one.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1724">28:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1724" data-t="1724">It it depends on whose book, because in Michael Sailor and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1729" data-t="1729">Brad Krueger's book, it's a pass. What about</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1732">28:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1732" data-t="1732">USDT</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1733">28:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1733" data-t="1733">Tether? What about it?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1735">28:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1735" data-t="1735">You got any Tether? Yeah. How much do you how many Tethers have you got? I I don't I don't carry Tether anymore.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1742">29:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1742" data-t="1742">Anymore? Okay.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1744">29:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1744" data-t="1744">I probably I probably carry</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1746">29:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1746" data-t="1746">more NFTs than I than I carry Tether. Okay. NFTs. Do you did you did you ever get into ordinals?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1754">29:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1754" data-t="1754">I never I I couldn't understand it. It was it was a You wanted to, though. You wanted to. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1762">29:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1762" data-t="1762">Yep.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1763" data-t="1763">So which NFTs did you get? I was really into those,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1767">29:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1767" data-t="1767">into the Wow NFTs.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1770" data-t="1770">You know, the world of women NFTs.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1773">29:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1773" data-t="1773">Oh.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1775">29:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1775" data-t="1775">Now now we're talking.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1778" data-t="1778">Yeah. I'm looking at something right now. They</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1781">29:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1781" data-t="1781">they had a a whole run of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1784" data-t="1784">you know, a whole community</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1786" data-t="1786">sort of deal</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1788" data-t="1788">with all these pictures of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1791" data-t="1791">and, you know, they're they're like cartoon women.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1795">29:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1795" data-t="1795">And are they hot?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1798">29:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1798" data-t="1798">Yeah. They're they're all hot. You know, that's the whole</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1801" data-t="1801">that's the draw.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1804">30:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1804" data-t="1804">Which one is which one do you think is the hottest?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1807">30:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1807" data-t="1807">Well, it's the one that's hottest is always the one that that the the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1813" data-t="1813">attributes are, like, the rarest.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1816" data-t="1816">So I had I had I had managed to grab a hold of some rare</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1821" data-t="1821">attributed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1823" data-t="1823">women.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1823">30:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" data-t="1823">Some rare feet pics is what you're telling me. So</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1827">30:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1827" data-t="1827">it says the mission of World of Woman is to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1832" data-t="1832">drive gender equity.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1834" data-t="1834">Because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1836" data-t="1836">Wow</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1838" data-t="1838">was born from a vision to enhance the representation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1841" data-t="1841">of woman</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1842">30:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1842" data-t="1842">in the digital economy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1844" data-t="1844">What started as a collection of generated</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1847" data-t="1847">art evolved into a movement symbolizing the power of building</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1851" data-t="1851">an inclusive future together. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1854" data-t="1854">as a part of being a part of this NFT</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1858" data-t="1858">stuff, that was the mission you were part</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1861">31:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1861" data-t="1861">of. Yeah. I felt I felt included.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1863">31:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1863" data-t="1863">And you're saying you were able to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1866" data-t="1866">get some pretty</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1869">31:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1869" data-t="1869">some pretty some pretty hot betas on here. I you know what? At some point, I got an extremely rare one.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1877" data-t="1877">And I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1878" data-t="1878">and I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1879" data-t="1879">managed to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1880" data-t="1880">sell it at the height of the mania, and it has not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1885" data-t="1885">recovered</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1886">31:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1886" data-t="1886">since that sale.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1888" data-t="1888">And it makes me happy every time I look at it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1891">31:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1891" data-t="1891">So you you Not often. You scammed a new view, pump, and dumped,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1897">31:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1897" data-t="1897">and gave somebody your sloppy seconds. That's one of my proudest moments. Yes. In in this space</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1903" data-t="1903">of of crypto.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1905">31:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1905" data-t="1905">Interesting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1906" data-t="1906">And</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1908">31:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1908" data-t="1908">does your wife know about this? Oddly enough, I was, like, holding onto this thing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1913" data-t="1913">for a long time</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1914" data-t="1914">thinking that I would somehow gift it to her.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1918" data-t="1918">You know, this would be, like, some sort of gift that I would give her after it was worth whatever, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1923" data-t="1923">millions and millions of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1926" data-t="1926">dollars it would be worth in my head at the time.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1930">32:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1930" data-t="1930">And she would</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1931" data-t="1931">be, you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1934" data-t="1934">know, joy very joyful about it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1937">32:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1937" data-t="1937">You thought she wanted that more than a diamond?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1942" data-t="1942">This is what you gotta think about when you're when you're trying to orange boats. Like, should I give them</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1947" data-t="1947">any of these from his book or, you know, any of should I give my wife a diamond or an NFT of a hot babe? I I was making NFTs at the time too. I was making them. Okay.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1957">32:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1957" data-t="1957">I was making them.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1959">32:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1959" data-t="1959">How do you, did you, how you said, how did you know how to do this? You said you couldn't figure out Originals. How did you know how to do it for which is this on Ethereum?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1968">32:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1968" data-t="1968">All in Ethereum. That's okay because it's it's fine to use Ethereum.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1973" data-t="1973">Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1974" data-t="1974">Like, that's something that's changed in the Bitcoin's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1977" data-t="1977">philosophy over the years. Right? Where, like, Ethereum used to be a shitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1982" data-t="1982">and then Tether came along</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1984" data-t="1984">and then Tether became cool and then using Tether on top of</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1989">33:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1989" data-t="1989">Ethereum and Tron is cool. So then that means</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1993" data-t="1993">buying World of Women NFTs on OpenSea</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1997" data-t="1997">with Ethereum</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1998" data-t="1998">is cool.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2000" data-t="2000">Right?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2001">33:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2001" data-t="2001">Is that how that works? That's how I thought it was. I think so. Yeah. So</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2005">33:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2005" data-t="2005">I think this kind of marks a giant shift in in Overton window. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2010" data-t="2010">Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2011" data-t="2011">we've seen this constant creep</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2013" data-t="2013">of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2014" data-t="2014">of things changing. So, like, one of the big things that happened this week</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2019" data-t="2019">was that Donald Trump got inaugurated,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2023">33:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2023" data-t="2023">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2025" data-t="2025">he wrote an executive order saying that it's okay to say the words gay and retard,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2030" data-t="2030">which is a big shift.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2033" data-t="2033">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2034" data-t="2034">there's just, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2036" data-t="2036">a lot of the shifting, you know, the maximalist community has changed the the parameters of what is okay and what's not</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2043">34:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2043" data-t="2043">with Yeah. But I think yeah. A good summary of it now with the ETFs,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2047" data-t="2047">with these meme coins,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2049" data-t="2049">with</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2050" data-t="2050">wrapped Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2052" data-t="2052">It's essentially,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2053" data-t="2053">as long as you can pay your taxes,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2056">34:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2056" data-t="2056">you can shit coin. Well, it feels like to me, like the broader community is just kind of they're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2062" data-t="2062">they're wanting to test out the free market or just see what the market thinks of these things. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like they, it's time to let the world of women, you know,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2072">34:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2072" data-t="2072">know, they need to stop being unregistered</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2075">34:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2075" data-t="2075">securities. Well, I think the term unregistered</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2077" data-t="2077">securities is,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2079">34:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2079" data-t="2079">is no longer a thing. Right. That's true. Like, it's all it's the wild, wild west. Mike,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2084" data-t="2084">are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2085" data-t="2085">you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2087" data-t="2087">excited about this wild, wild west or</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2090" data-t="2090">are these</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2091" data-t="2091">hot babe NFTs gonna distract you even further</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2095">34:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2095" data-t="2095">from reading</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2097" data-t="2097">buying</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2098" data-t="2098">brand back to back twice a year and listening to your forty hours per week?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2104">35:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2104" data-t="2104">No. I I think I'm,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2107" data-t="2107">I think I'm not excited</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2109" data-t="2109">about this wild, wild west. They're not bullish?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2113" data-t="2113">Not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2114" data-t="2114">not very bullish,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2116" data-t="2116">I would say.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2117">35:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2117" data-t="2117">What's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2118" data-t="2118">what lands you were bear department?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2121">35:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2121" data-t="2121">Explain. Well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2123" data-t="2123">I gotta tell you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2124" data-t="2124">After I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2126" data-t="2126">I think after I listened to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2128" data-t="2128">the Rock Paper Bitcoin boys</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2131" data-t="2131">and their,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2132">35:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2132" data-t="2132">you know, whole shift thesis</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2136" data-t="2136">really sent me down a a deep, dark rabbit hole for a long time.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2142">35:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2142" data-t="2142">And And can you can you briefly explain</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2144" data-t="2144">what this pole shift thesis is and maybe why</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2150">35:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2150" data-t="2150">it rattled you. The pole the pole shift is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2154" data-t="2154">by my my memory, which is pretty terrible,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2158" data-t="2158">apparently,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2159" data-t="2159">there was some discovery of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2162" data-t="2162">oh god,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2164" data-t="2164">there was some discovery of</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2166">36:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2166" data-t="2166">thousands and thousands of years of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2169" data-t="2169">of different sediment layers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2172" data-t="2172">in the North Pole,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2175" data-t="2175">And the sediment layers would switch every eleven thousand years by their count from,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2180" data-t="2180">you know, summer</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2183" data-t="2183">to or not cold climates to warm climates, something to this effect.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2187">36:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2187" data-t="2187">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2188" data-t="2188">what it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2190" data-t="2190">told or showed the scientists who found it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2193" data-t="2193">was that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2195" data-t="2195">the world has</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2198" data-t="2198">a cataclysmic,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2199">36:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2199" data-t="2199">you know, event of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2201" data-t="2201">shifting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2202" data-t="2202">shifting its poles.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2205" data-t="2205">And in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2207" data-t="2207">a very short amount of time, we'll we'll rotate on access,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2212" data-t="2212">to,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2213">36:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2213" data-t="2213">you know, to somewhere else. You know, you you'll obviously stay on the ground, but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2219" data-t="2219">the the speed in which it rotates will be so fast that the winds will,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2226" data-t="2226">you know, carry us all and the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2228" data-t="2228">the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2229" data-t="2229">the oceans will wash</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2233" data-t="2233">onto the onto the lands. And,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2235">37:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2235" data-t="2235">you know, I'm I'm sitting here in California looking</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2238" data-t="2238">looking up over</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2239" data-t="2239">the mountains that I live near, and I'm, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2243" data-t="2243">I'm, like, thinking about a two mile tidal wave looking up constantly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2249" data-t="2249">And this, you know, this was for about two weeks, I was just sort</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2253" data-t="2253">of</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2254">37:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2254" data-t="2254">depressed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2255" data-t="2255">thinking about this,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2257" data-t="2257">thinking about how I should prepare. And since then, I don't know,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2261">37:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2261" data-t="2261">it's it's been a rocky road since since Is this league? Yeah. This was this is I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2267" data-t="2267">I've been in that such a way. I I was in,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2271" data-t="2271">a trolling thread on Twitter and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2275" data-t="2275">this gold bug,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2277" data-t="2277">we're arguing about which is the most sound money.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2280" data-t="2280">And he was like, well, what if the poles shift</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2285">38:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2285" data-t="2285">and two mile two mile high tidal waves just come crashing over</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2289" data-t="2289">your community</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2291" data-t="2291">devastates</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2292" data-t="2292">pretty much all of Western civilization,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2294" data-t="2294">then how will you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2296" data-t="2296">consolidate your UTXOs?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2297">38:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2297" data-t="2297">You're well, you'll need gold. And it made me feel kind of bearish that day because I was like, I'm not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2304" data-t="2304">necessarily prepared for this type of a situation.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2308" data-t="2308">And so</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2309" data-t="2309">blended like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2311" data-t="2311">have you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2313" data-t="2313">are you still worried that the pull shift is gonna ruin the the bull market, or are you kind of,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2319">38:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2319" data-t="2319">are you better now? I've I've since, you know, let up on that feeling. And seeing the price</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2327" data-t="2327">climb as it does</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2328" data-t="2328">is is a really good feeling. Seeing Ross being freed, that's a really good feeling.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2333" data-t="2333">You know, you you see that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2336" data-t="2336">there are positive things happening in the world.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2339">38:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2339" data-t="2339">You see that there are people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2341" data-t="2341">free winning in Bitcoin. Yeah. The people that have Bitcoin are winning. You're and we're some of us were just wondering,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2347" data-t="2347">I'm just trying I just I just want to know where I'm gonna win. I just want to know where I'm gonna be able to afford my taxes because it seems like the podcasters,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2353" data-t="2353">all the influencers, the people going to yacht parties,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2356" data-t="2356">they're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2357" data-t="2357">succeeding. When's my turn?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2360">39:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2360" data-t="2360">Yeah. I mean, I do wanna afford my taxes. That's true.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2364" data-t="2364">The time is not now, but I'm hopeful that it'll be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2368" data-t="2368">in the future. I think,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2370">39:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2370" data-t="2370">like, one of the things that I think is important to remember in those cataclysmic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2376" data-t="2376">scenarios</span> <span class="cue" data-t="2376">when you're going through them in your head,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2379" data-t="2379">you know, there's there's always, like, an impending chance of something bad happening.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2383" data-t="2383">Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2384" data-t="2384">Like a nuclear</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2386">39:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2386" data-t="2386">bomb going off,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2388" data-t="2388">or</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2392" data-t="2392">space lasers,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2394" data-t="2394">direct energy weapons burning down your entire city that you live in,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2398" data-t="2398">or,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2400" data-t="2400">you know, various things. The Democrats messing with the weather to convince you that climate change is real.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2406">40:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2406" data-t="2406">There's, like, a million different scenarios</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2409" data-t="2409">of things</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2410" data-t="2410">that can happen. And I feel like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2413" data-t="2413">in the scenario</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2414" data-t="2414">where you just like die instantly,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2417" data-t="2417">that's</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2419">40:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2419" data-t="2419">like one of the least worst things that can happen. You know what I mean?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2424" data-t="2424">And why why I say that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2427" data-t="2427">is because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2428" data-t="2428">you could be non compliant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2430" data-t="2430">in heaven.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2431">40:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2431" data-t="2431">Right? That's true. That's true. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2434" data-t="2434">you know, I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2435" data-t="2435">I think that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2438" data-t="2438">sometimes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2439" data-t="2439">it's kind of, you know, it's it's kinda like your dreams. Like, you can interpret your dreams or you you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2445" data-t="2445">have these, like, takes where it's when I think that the end of the wood, there might be some kind of crazy end of the world</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2451">40:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2451" data-t="2451">apocalyptic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2452" data-t="2452">scenario.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2454" data-t="2454">It's just because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2457" data-t="2457">you know, I I have too much of my Bitcoin on an exchange,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2461" data-t="2461">and I've just got this impending doom thinking that I'm gonna get rug pulled. So I it manifests itself as, like, being afraid of having cancer</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2469" data-t="2469">or like thinking an asteroid's about to hit. And really, it's just because I need to remember not your keys, not your coins. I need to be prepared</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2478">41:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2478" data-t="2478">for,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2479" data-t="2479">you know, for the next Mt. Gox because the next Mt. Gox might be an asteroid or it might be Mirth Korean hackers. But it seems to be happening much quicker.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2488">41:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2488" data-t="2488">You know? Everything is happening much quicker.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2491" data-t="2491">There's Life is right. Right. And it's Catastrophe after catastrophe after catastrophe seems it's like</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2498">41:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2498" data-t="2498">yesterday's news. And all you know, and that makes me wonder, like, am I do I understand</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2504" data-t="2504">how to connect my node to Electrum server and then connect to Sparrow Wallet and then get my node or, excuse me, my hardware wallet. Like, do I know how to do that really? Because I I watched a couple tutorials.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2516" data-t="2516">But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2517" data-t="2517">if if this if there's a, you know, a mag,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2520" data-t="2520">one of those silver flares</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2523" data-t="2523">and I have to do it all manually,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2525">42:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2525" data-t="2525">I might lose my money. Yeah. We had a lot to worry about in that situation.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2529" data-t="2529">I try not to think about it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2531">42:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2531" data-t="2531">What what's, like, the crux of the fear,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2534" data-t="2534">do you think?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2536" data-t="2536">Like, why do why do you think that bothered you so bad versus</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2540" data-t="2540">other things?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2541">42:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2541" data-t="2541">I think not being prepared</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2544" data-t="2544">is the biggest</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2545" data-t="2545">issue. Like, just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2547" data-t="2547">knowing that knowing that something is gonna happen or feeling like something is gonna happen, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2553" data-t="2553">not having the power to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2556" data-t="2556">to stop it or to protect yourself against it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2559">42:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2559" data-t="2559">Mhmm. And just seeing, like, a this slow moving</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2563" data-t="2563">train coming to run you over,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2566" data-t="2566">you know, that's the that's the where the fear comes from, I think. Do you think you were, like, projecting anything onto</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2573">42:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2573" data-t="2573">this idea</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2576" data-t="2576">of a pole shift?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2579" data-t="2579">Probably. Like, is there, like, another is there another fear? Like, for example, like, you know, are you secretly woke and are afraid</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2587" data-t="2587">that Donald Trump</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2590" data-t="2590">will</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2591" data-t="2591">put you in prison for being woke?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2594">43:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2594" data-t="2594">Or are you afraid that you did some non compliant transactions</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2598" data-t="2598">which you didn't really, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2602" data-t="2602">know your,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2604" data-t="2604">how to manage your,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2606" data-t="2606">your coins privately?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2607">43:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2607" data-t="2607">Or are you worried that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2609" data-t="2609">the peep your neighbors or the people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2612" data-t="2612">in your area might</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2614" data-t="2614">notice</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2615">43:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2615" data-t="2615">you? I I think I'm worried</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2617" data-t="2617">that the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2619" data-t="2619">you know, the elation that we all feel from</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2622" data-t="2622">price risings</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2624" data-t="2624">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2625" data-t="2625">you know,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2627">43:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2627" data-t="2627">freedom,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2628" data-t="2628">you know, feelings</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2630" data-t="2630">that it might just be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2632" data-t="2632">not real.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2633" data-t="2633">Mhmm. You know?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2635" data-t="2635">That it's all just a facade and</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2637">43:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2637" data-t="2637">that at some point,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2641" data-t="2641">the matrix will seep back in, and I'll I'll be like, okay. Yeah. I'm I'm still in it. Or</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2647" data-t="2647">worse, like, not worse, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2649" data-t="2649">I am you know, I'm unplugged from it and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2653" data-t="2653">but I can't do anything about it. Like, I'm Yeah. Paraplegic or</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2658">44:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2658" data-t="2658">So it sounds like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2660" data-t="2660">kind of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2661" data-t="2661">the the question of is everything that I did, all the podcasts that I listened to, all the podcasts that I created, was it all for nothing? Yeah. I listen</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2670">44:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2670" data-t="2670">to forty hours a week</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2673" data-t="2673">for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2675" data-t="2675">four years, just like Michael Salish said, just like pop said.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2680" data-t="2680">And</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2681">44:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2681" data-t="2681">I did everything right. Yeah. I</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2683">44:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2683" data-t="2683">but I it was a waste because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2686" data-t="2686">it's it that we didn't get the strategic Bitcoin reserve. I feel like</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2690">44:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2690" data-t="2690">that's probably how most Mormons feel</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2692" data-t="2692">when they go and watch the Book of Mormon</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2695" data-t="2695">and they realize</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2696" data-t="2696">that for their whole lives, they didn't smoke cigarettes</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2699">44:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2699" data-t="2699">or drink coffee. You know what I mean? I don't think anybody gets to their deathbed and and regrets</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2705" data-t="2705">all the cigarette rates they took.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2707" data-t="2707">I think those are they remember those times fondly,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2710" data-t="2710">but I think that they do regret the cigarette rates</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2714">45:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2714" data-t="2714">they skipped. Well, I think this is really interesting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2717" data-t="2717">I appreciate you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2718" data-t="2718">you know, sharing what's going on for you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2722" data-t="2722">I,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2724" data-t="2724">you know, let's talk about this fear. So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2726" data-t="2726">you know, say say we get into the future,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2730">45:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2730" data-t="2730">say PodConf wins</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2733" data-t="2733">and compliance is mandatory</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2736" data-t="2736">across the board. So, like, imagine a world in which Naya Bukele</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2742" data-t="2742">has control over every country, right? Is this kind of what you're imagining?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2746">45:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2746" data-t="2746">Sure. Yeah. Something to that effect. So Naya Bukele became</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2750">45:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2750" data-t="2750">supreme leader of the the United Nations or you know, whatever the the new world order organization is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2757" data-t="2757">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2758" data-t="2758">you know, he hangs out with Peter Thiel and Sam Altman all day. What would you have wanted</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2764" data-t="2764">your time in between now and then to have consisted of? I think I</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2769">46:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2769" data-t="2769">mostly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2770" data-t="2770">would just want to put out as much</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2775" data-t="2775">creative energy as I could into the world</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2779" data-t="2779">and somehow have it survive.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2782">46:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2782" data-t="2782">What do you mean by survive? Like, to to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2785" data-t="2785">continue relevance or to have not been censored in memory hold?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2790">46:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2790" data-t="2790">Yeah. I mean, I guess that would be the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2792" data-t="2792">the fear.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2794" data-t="2794">Like, there's so</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2795" data-t="2795">so so many vulnerabilities with</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2798" data-t="2798">leaving all of the creative stuff that I do</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2801" data-t="2801">on all these</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2803">46:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2803" data-t="2803">basically,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2806" data-t="2806">I guess you can call them, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2808" data-t="2808">creative exchanges or something or</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2810" data-t="2810">digital exchanges of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2812" data-t="2812">information,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2814" data-t="2814">creative information.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2815">46:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2815" data-t="2815">Yeah. All the music,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2817" data-t="2817">all the videos.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2819">46:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2819" data-t="2819">You just want to know that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2822" data-t="2822">people will see your posts on the poster someday.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2826">47:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2826" data-t="2826">Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2827">47:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2827" data-t="2827">Yeah. That's important to me. I mean, this is something interesting,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2831" data-t="2831">that I was talking about with Rod beforehand</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2834" data-t="2834">because I I have similar feelings about this. You know what I mean? I've never really been a big fan of the Internet. I've I just prefer to do my work on typewriters,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2844" data-t="2844">because there's a physical aspect of it, and the physical aspect of it has much more</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2849" data-t="2849">sense of permanence</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2850" data-t="2850">than the digital,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2852">47:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2852" data-t="2852">which can just vanish in an instant.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2855" data-t="2855">There's no, you know, Mark Zuckerberg is claiming to be based now, but there's no</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2860" data-t="2860">guarantee that he's gonna reverse and go woke again</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2864" data-t="2864">and and ban your your dank memes on Facebook.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2870" data-t="2870">That's just kinda how the internet works at large.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2872">47:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2872" data-t="2872">Well, it seems like now everybody's just well, not everybody, but a lot of people in this space,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2878" data-t="2878">they just wanna leave their mark on the culture.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2882" data-t="2882">They just wanna</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2884" data-t="2884">they just want their meme to be accepted into</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2888" data-t="2888">the the mainstream. They just want their logo</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2891" data-t="2891">to be represented in the culture. And so when people look back, they can be like,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2896">48:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2896" data-t="2896">that was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2897" data-t="2897">a really good</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2899" data-t="2899">podcast episode or that was really good meme. That was like the most viral meme on eBond's world</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2904">48:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2904" data-t="2904">that day. But but I think we're thinking like like you go a thousand years in the future.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2910" data-t="2910">I don't think a lot of people are going to remember laser eyes till 100 ks. You know what I mean? That,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2916">48:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2916" data-t="2916">the people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2917" data-t="2917">who listen to forty hours per week, they might find that and you think something</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2922" data-t="2922">like Mars and the triple zero eight means</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2924" data-t="2924">If you did something embarrassing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2927" data-t="2927">or you sent to the wrong person</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2929" data-t="2929">in, like, your great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandkids</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2934">48:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2934" data-t="2934">piss off the wrong group chat. Like, somebody like that triple o eight memes would find out</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2939" data-t="2939">that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2940" data-t="2940">that you, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2942" data-t="2942">you were reposting,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2945" data-t="2945">that guy that used to scam real estate in spaces. You were reposting his tweets. You were following the power law guy. They will totally</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2953">49:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Mike</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2953" data-t="2953">embarrass you for that. What what if the triple elite memes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2956" data-t="2956">crew</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2958" data-t="2958">will be, like, the next</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2960" data-t="2960">Rothschild?</span></span></p> +