0:00Kailey Welch Hello there. You are listening to an episode of Bugle News newest show behind the podcast. Today, Rod and Dick are interviewing groundbreaking Wave Lake artist, Rundance, the former producer and host of the High Hash Rate podcast. Here's his hit track, 21,000,000.

0:20Kailey Welch If you like the track, make sure to go over to his Wave Lake page, which is linked in the show notes. Enjoy.

0:29Rundance Yeah. Here. Yo. Clinging to the dirt. Yeah. In the land of the optimists, probably watching too much much Antonopoulos, contemplating the irony of free markets while I'm sinking deeper into the depths of green tar pits. I got dead up to my armpits so far. I'm farmin' fiat, far from the dreams I see not. Got a vision to be living as one of the elite. I just gotta get back up on my feet and opt out of the Ponzi. This zombie economy and this horror turned comedy. Scarcity is novelty. Max Keiser put it best to the nation. This is the global insurrection against banker occupation.

1:09Rundance It's hard enough when your credit cards weigh a ton. Waiting for unemployment, stimulus hasn't come. You're waiting for anything to break out. Make a run, man. Fuck 2020. I'm ready for '21. Now I ain't trying to strike you rich

1:24Rundance or aim at the billions.

1:27Rundance I just wanna be one.

1:29Rundance One at 21,000,000.

1:32Rundance Yeah. Now I ain't trying to strike you waiting in giant lines. Stocks crash as Brian flies. My tired eyes, the blocks slide back, the clocks turn wise. So crank the hydrant assholes, and flood the nation with free capital right up to your clavicles. Strip the system of its assets and scrap it all. Pull the trash out onto the backs of the taxpayer. Add the gas of passive cash and light a match. Watch it all burn down in ashes and hashtags. What will it be? Fragile bubbles and packed gaps. Nah. Rather, I stay humble and stack sets.

2:17Rundance And at the end of the tunnel, I see a light that is brilliant. I'm just praying I'll be just one of 21,000,000. And in the wake of the Fed printing them trillions, I only wanna be one of 21,000,000. From the corner of Chicago and 38th Street came a movement moving toward us at the speed of a tweet. Now there's looting in communities, so root and obscene. We turn stupid in rooms, they label COVID nineteen. YouTube's glued while grandma zoom in assuming you're lacking grooming. Grouping together unless you're stuck on a cruise ship. So who's the loser? Who's the bullet that you gotta outmaneuver? Who's the future? Who's the boomer? Who to turn to when that news turns into rumors? Who's that person in the mirror you're accusing? It's you, sir. Boking systems breed social distance breed. COVID systems breed police victims. Not to mention the feds. I'm only printing that. Holding Bitcoin only fixes.

3:05Rundance Now now now I ain't trying to strike you rich or aim at the billions. I just wanna be one one of 21,000,000.

3:17Rundance And if Satoshi himself turns out to be a civilian, I still wanna be wanna

3:24Rundance be, wanna 21,000,000.

3:28Mike Oh.

4:12Rod Palmer Welcome back to Behind the Podcast. I'm Ron Palmer. I'm with Richard Grieser and today we are talking to Mike. Mike from the High Hashrate podcast, which we'll get into that. But, Mike, how's it going? Are you high tonight?

4:33Rod Palmer All good. Yeah. All good. I I'm I'm not high tonight. What happened to I half straight? Did you did you did did you lose all your weed in the fire in California?

4:44Richard Greaser Did you get roped into, like, Narcotics Anonymous or Alcoholics Anonymous or something like that? Is that why you quit podcasting and stopped smoking weed? I got I got a really

4:56Mike far down, in the weeds of, just too much to do. So I I had to You had too much to do. To do. That's what it was. Podcast? That's that's true. I had too many hours of Bitcoin podcasts that I was listening to, and I couldn't keep up. And so But you were getting your forty hours. I was doing way more than that, dude.

5:18Richard Greaser Way more. Did you trade did you trade for, like, a different substance? Like, are you on cocaine now?

5:25Mike Pure nicotine. Very good. Straight to the veins

5:31Rod Palmer constantly. So you would, would you say, like, you were a, like, a workaholic, you were like a podcastaholic and that negatively impacted your your listening impacted your ability

5:45Mike to produce. That's right. Yeah. It's very sad too. I I miss the podcast. I I I wanna come back to it, but I I haven't I just haven't had the time because I'm I just gotta catch up on all the Bitcoin podcasts. I think sometimes,

6:01Richard Greaser you know, as as people that that spend their time, you know, really changing the world and documenting history and expressing ourselves artistically. They're just dry spells

6:16Richard Greaser at different points where you are just walking in the wilderness. That seem relatable right now? Are you?

6:24Mike A 100%.

6:25Rod Palmer You do you have, like, that that that background, that tradition, that lineage of for people of people in your family who have been walking in the wilderness, overcoming

6:44Rod Palmer those tribulations. Are you what you said, you know where I'm getting you know where I'm going with this?

6:51Mike Do do do my do I have a history of people overcoming tribulations?

6:57Rod Palmer And wandering around in the wilderness?

6:59Mike And wandering around? Yeah, I think so. For forty years? I have, I have a bit of that in my history. Yeah.

7:08Rod Palmer Interesting. So you were born to podcast then. So you were born to overcome this walk in the wilderness

7:19Mike to dominate the media and the podcast industry once again. Maybe I have a calling for it. Yeah. That's true. Calling. Maybe. Maybe you do. But but I just hope it doesn't take me forty years to get back to it. I hope I don't have to listen to forty years of podcast.

7:34Rod Palmer Yeah. Well, you said you had some catching up to do. And, you know, a Bitcoin podcast always pays his debts. And but speaking of somebody who, had a lot of catching up to do, yesterday was a big day. The pardon

7:49Rod Palmer full pardon for Ross Ulbert. He was freed from from prison. What's your reaction to that? How how did you celebrate this? I immediately checked the price. I thought we're gonna have a huge, like, boom in the price. That's all I was thinking about. I was, like, just pardon him so he can moon.

8:08Mike And, you know, it didn't do anything. I don't know. Like, what was your reaction? Oh, I was just I'm very glad that he's out. But, you know, I was doing a project on him. I was, like, you know, putting together an edit for, a company to just you know, like, a biopic of him. And, I got to learn a lot about his life. So I was just happy to hear that he's that he's actually free. You know, it would be nice to, you know, hear from him and and and see him. Obviously

8:37Rod Palmer It would be the perfect time for him to watch a a meme coin. I mean, he is the biggest meme in the space. I mean, it it transcends, the podcast space. They like, they've talked about this in the New York Times, in the forum media, forum press, biggest meme in the space. Probably perfect time to watch a coin. This could I mean, it could it could be the first trillion dollar. It could flip I mean, you know, it wouldn't flip Bitcoin, obviously, but it could could flip Ethereum and Tether. I mean,

9:08Rod Palmer what would you do? I'd definitely be enticed to look at that coin. I mean, by the I mean, you were I remember listening to you on high hash rate. You said that you, you know, you used, like Polkadot and Chainlink. I mean, I mean, coin that's way more way more lucrative. I think it would vary. It

9:31Richard Greaser would probably flip Donald Trump's meme coin. And if it didn't, that would be a very sad day. It could be the first meme coin built on Monero. Well, I think the best way to celebrate Ross being freed

9:47Rod Palmer is to hang out here with Mike and do this interview. Do you think Mike that that people are going like, a lot of the girls in the space are gonna wanna be Ross's girlfriend now that he gets out?

9:59Mike He's probably got a few people calling him. Yeah. Asking his mom, you know, when when is he able to go outside?

10:06Rod Palmer Nandrick and David Bailey are flying to his house this weekend and bringing him homemade baklava. That's a true story that's happening. Like, that is you get out of prison first first couple days free. You get to hang out with David Bailey and Mandrake is making you baklava. Like that is that almost makes it worth it. I guess that's a good

10:30Rod Palmer consolation prize. Who would you want to hang out with after getting out of prison for ten years? Like, David Bailey from Bitcoin Magazine, Peter McCormick, Stefan Lavera, Neil Jacobs. Like, who do you wanna hang out with?

10:45Mike In in the in the Bitcoin Suite? Podcast.

10:48Rod Palmer Ronald Breedlove.

10:49Richard Greaser Yeah. Which Bitcoin podcast would be your first appearance?

10:54Mike Oh, that's a good question. After ten years? Oh, man. I would probably have to go with the the Rocket Bitcoin voice.

11:03Rod Palmer I have to go with He doesn't know. But he doesn't he doesn't know. That's the problem. He that's what we said. He has so much catching up to do. So many forty hours to catch up on because this is a huge decision. He's gonna launch his meme coin or, you know, maybe he's not, but he if he wants to, he's gotta pay for the right podcast. And he he doesn't have he hasn't been able to check Fountain. He hasn't seen the Fountain rankings week after week. He he he's gonna have to trust that we're gonna have to trust that, like, hopefully, somebody who has his best interests at heart

11:37Rod Palmer helps him decide which podcast to go on.

11:40Mike So then it would be a question of who do you trust to tell you, you know,

11:45Rod Palmer which podcast. Again, he doesn't he doesn't know because he has to listen to Bitcoin podcasts. He doesn't know who which influencers are trustworthy, which ones are Bitcoin only, who use, you know, self sought, like, these cold cards. Like, that is, you know I think it's funny. From our perspective. It's easy from our perspective to know or to say what he should do or just but it's much harder for him. I think there's a very easy answer for that question.

12:10Mike I think it's obviously Dennis Porter. Mhmm. That's who I would go to to to tell him which one you have to listen to to a year. I think Dennis Porter could

12:19Rod Palmer just give Ross a list of all of his biggest announcements, and that would catch Ross up pretty quickly to where we're at. You read Dennis Port was a 100 biggest announcements

12:34Rod Palmer that then you maybe that's how you orange pill everybody. Like, this is where this is where we're up to. Just read Dennis's announcements. It's like the TDLR,

12:42Mike really.

12:43Richard Greaser You know? Might have to open source this. Maybe we should do a compilation of his top 100 announcements.

12:50Rod Palmer That that is why Dennis Porter is so important because then, like, if everybody now, they go they they don't list they don't read a full book. They don't read a full article. They don't even listen necessarily to a full podcast. They just go to AI, and they ask it to summarize it for them. So people are going to to AI, and they're asking, like, explain Bitcoin to me. And AI doesn't do a very good job. Dennis Porter actually is outperforming AI. He's that

13:16Richard Greaser powerful. He's not efficient. Kind of going back to the desert topic, Mike, I feel for you right now. And I will tell you if history you know, history doesn't typically repeat itself, but it does rhyme. And I would highly suggest if you wanna fast track your time out of the wilderness,

13:37Richard Greaser just don't worship any golden calves, and I think you'll be golden. I like that piece of advice. Thank you. So yeah. So you and I have a history together. I I believe this is the first time you've ever done a podcast with Rod. We've done some chatting behind the scenes in the group chats

13:57Richard Greaser for some time now. Yes. Yes.

13:59Mike We have.

14:01Richard Greaser So I believe the last time I talked to you, we talked a lot about the importance of reading Ayn Rand. And so I'm just curious if you made any, you know, New Year's resolutions that are logical and and would would obviously better you.

14:20Rod Palmer Yeah. Did you complete your goal of reading Ayn Rand cover to cover twice? I think you have like three months to do it. You said you were really busy

14:33Mike with listening to Bitcoin podcast, but were you also busy reading I and Ray and Comfort to Cover? I missed it. I haven't gotten to it. I bought I bought two copies just so I wouldn't have to go, you know, just to the only one. I would know, you know, which one was first and which one was second, but I haven't gotten to them. So I'm making this year the year

14:55Rod Palmer that that's gonna happen. What are you doing to hold yourself accountable to reading and listening and catching up on the stuff you had to listen to and restarting your podcast in the bull market? How many cigarettes

15:11Rod Palmer is this gonna require you to smoke per day? I've gone through quite a lot. I'll tell you that. What is your what is your brand of choice?

15:21Mike It's a it's a I can't even I don't even know what this thing is. It's like a I think it's a Russian brand. It's called HEETS. Apparently illegal in America, but I get it through extra legal means.

15:40Rod Palmer Obviously, you have some,

15:42Mike pretty high quality non KYC cigarettes. I would say so. I mean, they don't you know what's so cool about these things? They don't they don't burn. They require, like, a vaping machine that that heats it up until, until you get the nicotine out. And then that's about it. So So then you have all these, like This sounds this sounds like a scam. This sounds like

16:05Rod Palmer this sounds like if this sounds like Ethereum for cigarettes. This sounds like proof of stake cigarettes. What what's going on here?

16:13Mike Yeah. I'd say that the I would probably liken it to to a shitcoin cigarette for sure. But the benefits, I think, outweigh

16:26Rod Palmer That's what Cardano people said.

16:28Mike That's I know. I know. I I'm not proud of it,

16:33Richard Greaser you know, but I can't stop. So I just looked up the page count of Atlas Shrugged, and it is only 1,168 pages. So if you read 30 pages a day of Atlas Shrugged for the whole year, you can read it front to back, like, nine times

16:51Mike if you wanted to. 30 pages of Ayn Rand every day. Of Atlas Shrugged. Of Atlas Shrugged specifically. Yeah. Yeah. No. I, I think it's a good goal. I'm I'm already behind then. I haven't started. Is this kind of like,

17:06Richard Greaser I didn't get into Bitcoin soon enough type of thing for you? Like, I didn't read Alice Shrugged soon enough?

17:14Mike I I do feel a bit behind on that front for sure. Like, I I I feel like I can't talk to talk to other Bitcoiners. You know, I I have something to hide.

17:25Rod Palmer Woah. Woah. Woah. Let's let's examine that. What is what does that mean? Why why why do you feel ashamed around around

17:37Mike people that are orange build? Oh, I don't feel I I I feel ashamed just because I, you know, it's sort of the imposter syndrome where you you haven't read, you know, Atlas Shrugged front to back twice. And you know everyone you know everyone else has. You know?

17:55Richard Greaser So let's evaluate this some more. So what is your version of Atlas Shrugged that you've settled for? Like, what what's your old coin of books that you read yearly twice a year, front to back? Is it like Broken Money by Lynn Alden?

18:15Mike Yeah. I, yeah, I haven't really picked up a book in a long time, to be honest. I think the last book I read was an audiobook, so I listened. I didn't really read it.

18:26Rod Palmer Well, what audiobook? I'll tell you which

18:30Mike book I read last. It was Andy Edstrom's book. I don't even remember the name of it, but it was his.

18:36Rod Palmer That's a great, that's a great endorsement of how good the book must have been. Yeah. What about the Bitcoin standard? What about, you know, there's a

18:47Mike The last and then I'll say this. The the other last book I read, a Bitcoin book, was probably, the Bitcoin rabbi's children's book.

18:59Rod Palmer The Bitcoin rabbi's chook. Can you explain what that is? He

19:04Mike he made a I think it's called Bitcoin

19:07Rod Palmer money. Let me see. I made a book about Bitcoin money.

19:12Mike Bitcoin money children's book. Yeah. It's called Bitcoin money.

19:18Rod Palmer Oh, I would just I would just read my children broken money by when all of But you're not Jewish, Rob. That is true. That is true.

19:27Mike Yeah. This this book I read quite a bit, so it keeps me in touch. So

19:31Richard Greaser Andy Edstrom's book is called Why Buy Bitcoin? So that's pretty clear why you didn't remember it. I mean, what a stupid fucking name for a book. And

19:43Rod Palmer did it did it work? Did you did you Yeah. Yeah. Did you buy some? I bought some Bitcoin. Yeah. I bought some Bitcoin

19:49Richard Greaser after it. You buy more, or did you buy less than you would have?

19:53Mike I I didn't buy as much as I used to before reading the book, but I did buy some. I think immediately after I I finished the last words on the last page. I think good job. You know, I'll I'll

20:11Mike I'll buy some Bitcoin. Thanks. The answer

20:13Rod Palmer the answer to why buy Bitcoin is it's it's the most obvious. It's almost like you shouldn't have to ask it. It's you buy Bitcoin so you can afford taxes.

20:24Mike Why else would you buy it? I don't remember reading that part of the of the book. But

20:32Richard Greaser so yeah. He he wrote hundreds of pages to to not say the obvious, which is to afford your taxes. What I think everybody has a different reason why they buy Bitcoin. Everybody gets interested in you know, they they they come for variety of reasons and and they they stay to be able to afford to pay taxes. Right? If you were Yeah. If you were, you know, in an elevator somewhere and,

21:03Richard Greaser like, a young 18 year old boy looks at you, and they look over you and they say, wow. You got some nice headphones on. It looks like you listen to a lot of really good podcasts. You must be really smart. You must be rich. You must be able to afford taxes. And

21:23Richard Greaser they ask you how you did it. Like, hey, man. Can you just explain, like, how do you have these nice headphones and how do you afford taxes? Like, what what would you be your elevator pitch for him on Why Buy Bitcoin? I'd say,

21:41Mike this book will explain to you, the ins and outs of why you should buy Bitcoin. It it doesn't I don't know if it has any chapters on affording taxes,

21:57Richard Greaser but it will So your so your pitch to this lady, this four eighteen year old kid, is you're gonna shill Andy Epstein's book with a stupid fucking name. That's the best you can find.

22:09Mike I don't know if I'd shill Andy Edstrom's book to the 18 year old kid. That's what we just said. That's what you just said you would do. I I thought that's the scenario I'm I'm, like, locked into. We're giving you a elevator pitch, and you're maybe this is why

22:23Rod Palmer you've been struggling to Orangeville people is because you've been recommending Andy Edstrom spoke to them. Maybe it's time to to have a more thoughtful strategy. You just said somebody asked me about Bitcoin, and my first response is I thought the scenario I was supposed to tell them to read Andy Edstrom's book. Yep. But you that is that is there's so many different ways that you could approach this, especially you could talk to them. It's just I Andy Edstrom, former Goldman Sachs employee,

22:55Rod Palmer who's got a a multisay Bitcoin company. I don't know if that's a great first step.

23:02Richard Greaser We don't give a shit about Andy as terms opinion. Here.

23:07Mike He's not a Bitcoin broadcaster. He's an author. He gives a shit. Alright. So you're asking me how I would orange pill this 18 year old boy in the elevator? You you just have to If you if you were alone in the elevator

23:17Rod Palmer with a young boy, how would you orange pill?

23:21Mike I would say well, I'd ask his name first. And then once he gave me that It's very polite. Yeah.

23:29Rod Palmer Let me start with 1. I'd say with man First of all, first of all, what did he just say? That's why there's so many orange cells. They wouldn't even stop to ask a young boy his name before he tried Orangeville, and they just go right into the spiel. At least Mike is taking the time to get to

23:46Richard Greaser know. Yeah. You gotta be careful out there, guys. If you get too excited, they might be a little bit too young. You need the KYCM.

23:56Mike I I probably ask him. I mean, I only have, what, thirty seconds. I'd probably I'd probably tell him, hey. I'm I'm you from the future, and I'm just telling you, you need to learn a little bit about this thing called Bitcoin.

24:14Rod Palmer That's, that is, I think, a very creative, like, and a potentially effective approach now. But I think before somebody should use that approach,

24:28Rod Palmer they should think if I was a young boy and a man got in an elevator and told me that I was him from the future and that you have close to me, would that would would you see that man be like, I don't wanna be that guy in the future or I want to be that guy in the future. That guy has expensive headphones.

24:51Richard Greaser He must be successful. I mean, if I was a black kid and you said that to me, I'd be pretty concerned. Like,

24:59Rod Palmer go home to my mom and be like What what did Michael Jackson have? Because I think I have them. Well, I would I would definitely

25:06Mike assess if I was the 18 year old kid, I'd I'd have to assess the tone of this guy's

25:11Rod Palmer Yeah. That's it. That's a threat assessment. Is this guy trying to scam me? Is this guy trying to sell me shit coins?

25:18Mike Does he have a wrench in his backpack? If you wanna know how I got my headphones, they're not that expensive. They look expensive, but they're not that expensive. But I do spend a lot of time listening to Bitcoin podcasts. And maybe you don't need a expensive set of headphones, but maybe you should try it yourself. So if I were if I were him, I would be I I think I would

25:40Rod Palmer at least listen to that message. Okay. So now you're new you're not gonna show Andy Edstrom. They're gonna give him homework.

25:48Mike I'm gonna I'll give him a little bit of homework. Something to think about, I'd say. And that's about it.

25:54Richard Greaser Andy's book might might might be fine. I haven't read it. But the name sucks. Like you should change the name and republish it. And then just like, why the fuck are you writing a book called why buy Bitcoin

26:08Rod Palmer when Bitcoin's already won? That's true. Like like Okay. Let let but let's try this approach, Mike. If you we're not gonna have thirty seconds on the elevator with a young man. You were gonna you were gonna Hokey read your book. What are you gonna name? What is gonna be the title

26:29Mike of your book? Oh, it's a good question. If I wrote a book on on why buy Bitcoin

26:36Rod Palmer or, like, why you should buy Bitcoin? Yeah. We're not but you're gonna try, hopefully, to come up with a better title than that. What's your title? Do you know what I mean? But not not not just don't not just trying to think of what would be a better title. What would your title be as as Mike from High Hashrate?

26:55Mike I think a good title for a book is Have Fun Staying Poor. And how do you and what what's the plot of what's the story of this book? Well, you'd probably have to go into the, I mean, this is nothing that I'd be able to write, but you probably have to go into the history of money. And then you might

27:14Rod Palmer So you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna title it, Have Fun Staying Poor. And you're gonna tell them the history of seashells and silver. You're gonna tell them the history of money.

27:26Richard Greaser No. He's gonna he's gonna tell the history of the Rothschild bankers and how we're all fucked. There you go. So Okay. Which books would you look at as potential sources for the history of money

27:41Mike What would be, like, your top five? I don't have a single one. I've never read a book on the history of money.

27:46Richard Greaser Well, you shouldn't put that in your book then. You've never read the Bitcoin standard. You've never read broken money. You've never met read Layered Money. You've Lot Size Wars. Rothbard, his history of, banking. I forgot what the long title is.

28:06Mike This this is what I'm telling you guys. This is the imposter syndrome. I'm, I I'm, like, shamed.

28:12Richard Greaser You're failing so many purity tests right now. It's true.

28:18Mike It's true. So

28:19Richard Greaser instead of talking about purity tests you are failing, I'm curious about what purity tests you're passing right now.

28:32Rod Palmer Are you buying micro strategy? Mhmm.

28:36Mike I'm buying a little bit of MicroStrategy.

28:38Rod Palmer It's true. So that's that's going through. That's another failure. That's another failure. We're looking for success one.

28:44Richard Greaser It it depends on whose book, because in Michael Sailor and Brad Krueger's book, it's a pass. What about

28:52Rod Palmer USDT

28:53Mike Tether? What about it?

28:55Richard Greaser You got any Tether? Yeah. How much do you how many Tethers have you got? I I don't I don't carry Tether anymore.

29:02Rod Palmer Anymore? Okay.

29:04Mike I probably I probably carry

29:06Rod Palmer more NFTs than I than I carry Tether. Okay. NFTs. Do you did you did you ever get into ordinals?

29:14Mike I never I I couldn't understand it. It was it was a You wanted to, though. You wanted to. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure.

29:22Rod Palmer Yep. So which NFTs did you get? I was really into those,

29:27Mike into the Wow NFTs. You know, the world of women NFTs.

29:33Richard Greaser Oh.

29:35Rod Palmer Now now we're talking. Yeah. I'm looking at something right now. They

29:41Mike they had a a whole run of, you know, a whole community sort of deal with all these pictures of and, you know, they're they're like cartoon women.

29:55Rod Palmer And are they hot?

29:58Mike Yeah. They're they're all hot. You know, that's the whole that's the draw.

30:04Rod Palmer Which one is which one do you think is the hottest?

30:07Mike Well, it's the one that's hottest is always the one that that the the attributes are, like, the rarest. So I had I had I had managed to grab a hold of some rare attributed women.

30:23Rod Palmer Some rare feet pics is what you're telling me. So

30:27Richard Greaser it says the mission of World of Woman is to drive gender equity. Because Wow was born from a vision to enhance the representation of woman

30:42Richard Greaser in the digital economy. What started as a collection of generated art evolved into a movement symbolizing the power of building an inclusive future together. So as a part of being a part of this NFT stuff, that was the mission you were part

31:01Mike of. Yeah. I felt I felt included.

31:03Rod Palmer And you're saying you were able to get some pretty

31:09Mike some pretty some pretty hot betas on here. I you know what? At some point, I got an extremely rare one. And I and I managed to sell it at the height of the mania, and it has not recovered

31:26Mike since that sale. And it makes me happy every time I look at it.

31:31Rod Palmer So you you Not often. You scammed a new view, pump, and dumped,

31:37Mike and gave somebody your sloppy seconds. That's one of my proudest moments. Yes. In in this space of of crypto.

31:45Rod Palmer Interesting. And

31:48Mike does your wife know about this? Oddly enough, I was, like, holding onto this thing for a long time thinking that I would somehow gift it to her. You know, this would be, like, some sort of gift that I would give her after it was worth whatever, you know, millions and millions of dollars it would be worth in my head at the time.

32:10Mike And she would be, you know, joy very joyful about it.

32:17Rod Palmer You thought she wanted that more than a diamond? This is what you gotta think about when you're when you're trying to orange boats. Like, should I give them any of these from his book or, you know, any of should I give my wife a diamond or an NFT of a hot babe? I I was making NFTs at the time too. I was making them. Okay.

32:37Mike I was making them.

32:39Rod Palmer How do you, did you, how you said, how did you know how to do this? You said you couldn't figure out Originals. How did you know how to do it for which is this on Ethereum?

32:48Richard Greaser All in Ethereum. That's okay because it's it's fine to use Ethereum. Right? Like, that's something that's changed in the Bitcoin's philosophy over the years. Right? Where, like, Ethereum used to be a shitcoin and then Tether came along and then Tether became cool and then using Tether on top of

33:09Richard Greaser Ethereum and Tron is cool. So then that means buying World of Women NFTs on OpenSea with Ethereum is cool. Right?

33:21Mike Is that how that works? That's how I thought it was. I think so. Yeah. So

33:25Richard Greaser I think this kind of marks a giant shift in in Overton window. Right? Like, we've seen this constant creep of of things changing. So, like, one of the big things that happened this week was that Donald Trump got inaugurated,

33:43Richard Greaser and he wrote an executive order saying that it's okay to say the words gay and retard, which is a big shift. And there's just, like, a lot of the shifting, you know, the maximalist community has changed the the parameters of what is okay and what's not

34:03Rod Palmer with Yeah. But I think yeah. A good summary of it now with the ETFs, with these meme coins, with wrapped Bitcoin. It's essentially, as long as you can pay your taxes,

34:16Richard Greaser you can shit coin. Well, it feels like to me, like the broader community is just kind of they're they're wanting to test out the free market or just see what the market thinks of these things. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like they, it's time to let the world of women, you know,

34:32Rod Palmer know, they need to stop being unregistered

34:35Richard Greaser securities. Well, I think the term unregistered securities is,

34:39Rod Palmer is no longer a thing. Right. That's true. Like, it's all it's the wild, wild west. Mike, are you excited about this wild, wild west or are these hot babe NFTs gonna distract you even further

34:55Rod Palmer from reading buying brand back to back twice a year and listening to your forty hours per week?

35:04Mike No. I I think I'm, I think I'm not excited about this wild, wild west. They're not bullish? Not not very bullish, I would say.

35:17Rod Palmer What's, what lands you were bear department?

35:21Mike Explain. Well, I gotta tell you. After I I think after I listened to the Rock Paper Bitcoin boys and their,

35:32Mike you know, whole shift thesis really sent me down a a deep, dark rabbit hole for a long time.

35:42Rod Palmer And And can you can you briefly explain what this pole shift thesis is and maybe why

35:50Mike it rattled you. The pole the pole shift is, by my my memory, which is pretty terrible, apparently, there was some discovery of, oh god, there was some discovery of

36:06Mike thousands and thousands of years of of different sediment layers in the North Pole, And the sediment layers would switch every eleven thousand years by their count from, you know, summer to or not cold climates to warm climates, something to this effect.

36:27Mike And what it told or showed the scientists who found it was that the world has a cataclysmic,

36:39Mike you know, event of shifting shifting its poles. And in a very short amount of time, we'll we'll rotate on access, to,

36:53Mike you know, to somewhere else. You know, you you'll obviously stay on the ground, but, the the speed in which it rotates will be so fast that the winds will, you know, carry us all and the, the the oceans will wash onto the onto the lands. And,

37:15Mike you know, I'm I'm sitting here in California looking looking up over the mountains that I live near, and I'm, like, I'm, like, thinking about a two mile tidal wave looking up constantly. And this, you know, this was for about two weeks, I was just sort of

37:34Mike depressed thinking about this, thinking about how I should prepare. And since then, I don't know,

37:41Rod Palmer it's it's been a rocky road since since Is this league? Yeah. This was this is I I've been in that such a way. I I was in, a trolling thread on Twitter and this gold bug, we're arguing about which is the most sound money. And he was like, well, what if the poles shift

38:05Rod Palmer and two mile two mile high tidal waves just come crashing over your community devastates pretty much all of Western civilization, then how will you consolidate your UTXOs?

38:17Rod Palmer You're well, you'll need gold. And it made me feel kind of bearish that day because I was like, I'm not necessarily prepared for this type of a situation. And so blended like, have you are you still worried that the pull shift is gonna ruin the the bull market, or are you kind of,

38:39Mike are you better now? I've I've since, you know, let up on that feeling. And seeing the price climb as it does is is a really good feeling. Seeing Ross being freed, that's a really good feeling. You know, you you see that there are positive things happening in the world.

38:59Rod Palmer You see that there are people free winning in Bitcoin. Yeah. The people that have Bitcoin are winning. You're and we're some of us were just wondering, I'm just trying I just I just want to know where I'm gonna win. I just want to know where I'm gonna be able to afford my taxes because it seems like the podcasters, all the influencers, the people going to yacht parties, they're succeeding. When's my turn?

39:20Mike Yeah. I mean, I do wanna afford my taxes. That's true. The time is not now, but I'm hopeful that it'll be in the future. I think,

39:30Richard Greaser like, one of the things that I think is important to remember in those cataclysmic scenarios when you're going through them in your head, you know, there's there's always, like, an impending chance of something bad happening. Right? Like a nuclear

39:46Richard Greaser bomb going off, or space lasers, direct energy weapons burning down your entire city that you live in, or, you know, various things. The Democrats messing with the weather to convince you that climate change is real.

40:06Richard Greaser There's, like, a million different scenarios of things that can happen. And I feel like in the scenario where you just like die instantly, that's

40:19Richard Greaser like one of the least worst things that can happen. You know what I mean? And why why I say that is because you could be non compliant in heaven.

40:31Rod Palmer Right? That's true. That's true. And, you know, I I think that, sometimes it's kind of, you know, it's it's kinda like your dreams. Like, you can interpret your dreams or you you have these, like, takes where it's when I think that the end of the wood, there might be some kind of crazy end of the world

40:51Rod Palmer apocalyptic scenario. It's just because you know, I I have too much of my Bitcoin on an exchange, and I've just got this impending doom thinking that I'm gonna get rug pulled. So I it manifests itself as, like, being afraid of having cancer or like thinking an asteroid's about to hit. And really, it's just because I need to remember not your keys, not your coins. I need to be prepared

41:18Rod Palmer for, you know, for the next Mt. Gox because the next Mt. Gox might be an asteroid or it might be Mirth Korean hackers. But it seems to be happening much quicker.

41:28Mike You know? Everything is happening much quicker. There's Life is right. Right. And it's Catastrophe after catastrophe after catastrophe seems it's like

41:38Rod Palmer yesterday's news. And all you know, and that makes me wonder, like, am I do I understand how to connect my node to Electrum server and then connect to Sparrow Wallet and then get my node or, excuse me, my hardware wallet. Like, do I know how to do that really? Because I I watched a couple tutorials. But if if this if there's a, you know, a mag, one of those silver flares and I have to do it all manually,

42:05Mike I might lose my money. Yeah. We had a lot to worry about in that situation. I try not to think about it.

42:11Richard Greaser What what's, like, the crux of the fear, do you think? Like, why do why do you think that bothered you so bad versus other things?

42:21Mike I think not being prepared is the biggest issue. Like, just knowing that knowing that something is gonna happen or feeling like something is gonna happen, but not having the power to to stop it or to protect yourself against it.

42:39Mike Mhmm. And just seeing, like, a this slow moving train coming to run you over, you know, that's the that's the where the fear comes from, I think. Do you think you were, like, projecting anything onto

42:53Richard Greaser this idea of a pole shift? Probably. Like, is there, like, another is there another fear? Like, for example, like, you know, are you secretly woke and are afraid that Donald Trump will put you in prison for being woke?

43:14Richard Greaser Or are you afraid that you did some non compliant transactions which you didn't really, like, know your, how to manage your, your coins privately?

43:27Rod Palmer Or are you worried that the peep your neighbors or the people in your area might notice

43:35Mike you? I I think I'm worried that the, you know, the elation that we all feel from price risings and, you know,

43:47Mike freedom, you know, feelings that it might just be not real. Mhmm. You know? That it's all just a facade and

43:57Mike that at some point, the matrix will seep back in, and I'll I'll be like, okay. Yeah. I'm I'm still in it. Or worse, like, not worse, but I am you know, I'm unplugged from it and, but I can't do anything about it. Like, I'm Yeah. Paraplegic or

44:18Richard Greaser So it sounds like kind of the the question of is everything that I did, all the podcasts that I listened to, all the podcasts that I created, was it all for nothing? Yeah. I listen

44:30Rod Palmer to forty hours a week for four years, just like Michael Salish said, just like pop said. And

44:41Mike I did everything right. Yeah. I

44:43Rod Palmer but I it was a waste because it's it that we didn't get the strategic Bitcoin reserve. I feel like

44:50Richard Greaser that's probably how most Mormons feel when they go and watch the Book of Mormon and they realize that for their whole lives, they didn't smoke cigarettes

44:59Rod Palmer or drink coffee. You know what I mean? I don't think anybody gets to their deathbed and and regrets all the cigarette rates they took. I think those are they remember those times fondly, but I think that they do regret the cigarette rates

45:14Richard Greaser they skipped. Well, I think this is really interesting. I appreciate you, you know, sharing what's going on for you. I, you know, let's talk about this fear. So, you know, say say we get into the future,

45:30Richard Greaser say PodConf wins and compliance is mandatory across the board. So, like, imagine a world in which Naya Bukele has control over every country, right? Is this kind of what you're imagining?

45:46Mike Sure. Yeah. Something to that effect. So Naya Bukele became

45:50Richard Greaser supreme leader of the the United Nations or you know, whatever the the new world order organization is And, you know, he hangs out with Peter Thiel and Sam Altman all day. What would you have wanted your time in between now and then to have consisted of? I think I

46:09Mike mostly would just want to put out as much creative energy as I could into the world and somehow have it survive.

46:22Richard Greaser What do you mean by survive? Like, to to continue relevance or to have not been censored in memory hold?

46:30Mike Yeah. I mean, I guess that would be the the fear. Like, there's so so so many vulnerabilities with leaving all of the creative stuff that I do on all these

46:43Mike basically, I guess you can call them, like, creative exchanges or something or digital exchanges of information, creative information.

46:55Mike Yeah. All the music, all the videos.

46:59Rod Palmer You just want to know that people will see your posts on the poster someday.

47:06Mike Yeah.

47:07Richard Greaser Yeah. That's important to me. I mean, this is something interesting, that I was talking about with Rod beforehand because I I have similar feelings about this. You know what I mean? I've never really been a big fan of the Internet. I've I just prefer to do my work on typewriters, because there's a physical aspect of it, and the physical aspect of it has much more sense of permanence than the digital,

47:32Richard Greaser which can just vanish in an instant. There's no, you know, Mark Zuckerberg is claiming to be based now, but there's no guarantee that he's gonna reverse and go woke again and and ban your your dank memes on Facebook. That's just kinda how the internet works at large.

47:52Rod Palmer Well, it seems like now everybody's just well, not everybody, but a lot of people in this space, they just wanna leave their mark on the culture. They just wanna they just want their meme to be accepted into the the mainstream. They just want their logo to be represented in the culture. And so when people look back, they can be like,

48:16Rod Palmer that was a really good podcast episode or that was really good meme. That was like the most viral meme on eBond's world

48:24Richard Greaser that day. But but I think we're thinking like like you go a thousand years in the future. I don't think a lot of people are going to remember laser eyes till 100 ks. You know what I mean? That,

48:36Rod Palmer the people who listen to forty hours per week, they might find that and you think something like Mars and the triple zero eight means If you did something embarrassing or you sent to the wrong person in, like, your great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandkids

48:54Rod Palmer piss off the wrong group chat. Like, somebody like that triple o eight memes would find out that that you, you know, you were reposting, that guy that used to scam real estate in spaces. You were reposting his tweets. You were following the power law guy. They will totally

49:13Mike embarrass you for that. What what if the triple elite memes crew will be, like, the next Rothschild?

49:22Rod Palmer That I don't think that's gonna happen. But, but but that makes me think Or or the next or the next So if he tries Well, if he tries to yeah. Exactly. The group chats and meme games could be secret societies. I was gonna say, but you can you try so hard to get yourself out there and have that impact and have that art,

49:44Rod Palmer but also you risk a chance of the stuff you didn't want to get out there. Like people find out you're a sim or people find out that your space's girlfriend is trying

49:57Rod Palmer to go on a date with Ross Ulbricht. And people remember that forever, but they don't remember all your really cool songs or all your really cool memes or your your cool

50:07Mike posts. They just remembered that your girlfriend went out with Russell your wife started dating Ross Ulbricht. That's why I don't wanna introduce my wife to the idea of or she doesn't really know about Ross Ulbricht.

50:19Rod Palmer So I just don't know. I would I, yeah, I wouldn't tell her about him. But he's in the news now, so and he's gonna be on every podcast, so it'll be hard to hard to avoid.

50:31Mike Yeah. I think a lot of men are probably gonna be worried about that. So I'm kinda curious,

50:37Richard Greaser Mike. I wanna hear about what your, my greatest goal and aspiration. When you're talking about this, you you have this desire to express yourself artistically. Like, what what is that the pinnacle you're reaching for? What do you have in mind?

50:52Rod Palmer What you would like to achieve? Would you like to, like, for example,

50:56Mike win a bugle? That's a I'd love to win a bugle. Yeah. That's a pretty high, you know, achievement. But the I I don't know. I don't wanna win an Oscar or anything. I I I think I I wanna make a film, and I want it to be recognized. And

51:14Mike I wanna have a style, and I want people to know that style. And that's that's a I don't care if I'm niche or anything or or, you know, I I don't care if I have, like, however many followers. Doesn't really matter. But I I always like especially

51:31Mike when I was doing the podcast, I always like having, you know, people to res just responding or having chats with people outside, talking about, you know, what was you know, what they listened to or, how it inspired them or this or that. That's always nice to hear. So

51:54Mike as long as I continue in that field, I guess, I think I'll achieve at least that much somewhat people knowing that that that that I had somewhat of an opinion or I had a a vision or something.

52:11Richard Greaser So can you do you do you have, like, a a film in mind, or you just just you just wanna make a film that's really good and you feel good about.

52:24Mike No. I have a specific film I'm writing currently.

52:27Rod Palmer Is it called is it called Why Buy Bitcoin?

52:30Mike I don't know what it's it might even be called.

52:35Richard Greaser It's like me

52:37Mike catching up. I don't know what it's called yet.

52:44Rod Palmer It's a ro it's a rom com. See, that's see, I think I think that's the maybe not that you're making, but a lot of people made this. I could give to start with the title or the name and work from there. You just pick a title and you can go. But if you if you try to work backwards, it's it's too hard to remember all the good ideas you have.

53:04Mike Well, the the working title was The Backup, but I don't like it. It it's a it's a Bitcoin related story about a New York

53:19Mike boy who works in the film industry.

53:22Rod Palmer And he gets on an elevator.

53:25Mike And he gets on an elevator. And he meets, an El Salvadorian, you know, pupusa maker. And that's the the sort of premise. That's the

53:39Rod Palmer true line. He's like, how do I buy this pupusa? And it's like, actually, you have to use the strike app. If you sign up, you use my referral code, both get 10,000 sets. Boom.

53:52Mike It's a good scene. Journey begins. I definitely wanna see that. You know, that that would be an important scene to to

53:59Rod Palmer So in this your film does this, El Salvadorian pupusa chef, does does he use his wise, cypherpunk,

54:12Rod Palmer you know, wisdom to help this New Yorker or the city boy? Actually, the

54:19Mike city boy. Actually, the the pupusa chef is a is a woman is the is the woman. Oh, excuse me. Excuse me. I did not mean to assume

54:27Rod Palmer that the the wise, the wise sage of the film was a man. I

54:33Richard Greaser thought he was talking about the producer man. Perfect. I saw.

54:39Rod Palmer She's a producer woman. Is she hot? It's Mama Rosa from Bitcoin

54:45Mike Beach. It's it's it's actually based in it's, like, that specific spot in Bitcoin Beach. That's what I can pull from. The the the casting. Can I tell you guys the casting that I'm thinking about? Yes. Yes. So I really, really want

55:02Mike miss El Salvador to play the pupusa lady that the New York boy falls in love with.

55:10Rod Palmer She's kind of hot. It's pretty Yes. Yes. She's a hot probably comes from one of the wealthier El Salvador families, and she can play one of the one of the the roadside

55:25Rod Palmer pupusa girls. And a Bitcoin podcaster is coming down to El Salvador. Right? And he sees this beautiful

55:35Rod Palmer young person maker, and he's like,

55:39Mike I could orange pill her. Somewhat. Yeah. That's not quite, but yeah. I see where you're going.

55:45Richard Greaser Does she orange pill him?

55:47Mike Yeah.

55:48Rod Palmer Yeah. A real or who orange pills his situation?

55:52Richard Greaser That's really what the question of the film is, you know. So the question I have, so you want the woman to be miss El Salvador. So who's the lucky man in the that you're gonna cast in the story that will be able to be intimate with Mid Salvador?

56:08Rod Palmer Was he just pardoned the other day?

56:11Mike I I imagine someone, a personal friend a personal friend that would have to, play that role. That it's hard to describe, but, reminds me a lot about you know, he he has he's a

56:28Mike he's sort of a grumpy young dude who just he's been shaped what what's the word? The he's been what's that word for when you're

56:41Mike you fall out of love of with something because you do it too much? Disenchanted? Disenchanted. Sure. I'll take that one. He's disenchanted with his his job of several jobs of gig work, film gig work. And so he takes another gig

57:02Mike that he doesn't wanna take, and he ends up in El Salvador. And he ends up, you know, talking to this girl who teaches him about life, really. I mean, Bitcoin is it's it's there, but just how he can change his life. Well,

57:19Richard Greaser we'll say this. It is cool that you're willing to hook up a buddy with a situation like that because that's a pretty cool situation to be with miss El Salvador in a wrong car with her. The second thing that I will say is that you are definitely

57:37Richard Greaser genetically predispositioned to make a good movie. Why is that? Because you're Jewish.

57:42Mike Oh, yes. Yes.

57:44Rod Palmer Do you feel like a, like, a a heavy bird? Like, it's you have to live up to your you know, this is your destiny to be a good filmmaker.

57:58Mike It's a lot of pressure to live up to. I fell into that. You know, I never I never thought I would be a good filmmaker or anything like that, but it just happened. Kind of a birthright. You know what I mean? I guess I could see it like that. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So my my calling. Yeah. Right. From my people.

58:16Rod Palmer Yeah. You're never a banker, but you were a filmmaker. Yeah. What is where would fundamentals

58:22Mike be in your movie? I could I could write a role for fundamentals

58:25Rod Palmer if you would be in it. What what kind of role what kind of role would you put him in? I mean, you would you kinda be like the, the the,

58:34Mike Newman character on Seinfeld? I could see fundamentals in that film as, as a angry father, of the of a bride, at a gig that our lead character, our male character is working.

58:56Mike So he's he's filming this this, you know, wedding. And he takes all the footage, but he's not, you know, he's not getting the right things. He's interested in other stuff. And I have this

59:12Mike this angry parent character that, you know, comes after him and tells him to, you know, point at the right things. So I could see that. I think one thing,

59:26Richard Greaser you know, I'm kinda interested to know about so we know that Bitcoin fixes things. Right? When you start to get interest in Bitcoin, you start to have

59:40Richard Greaser low time preference. You make decisions that are better for the long run, essentially, and more sustainable. And like,

59:52Richard Greaser in Fiat Hollywood, kind of the norm is around, you know, like men, movie makers, for example, exerting their power over like more vulnerable

1:00:06Richard Greaser individuals. So, like, you know, there's been a lot of stories of, like, child abuse and and stuff like like Harvey Weinstein. You know, it's kinda like the the scapegoat that they pinpointed all of these shenanigans on, but it's it's a lot more rampant than just Harvey.

1:00:24Richard Greaser So, like, when you're looking at filmmaking, you know, so we were we were talking a little bit about a romantic scene, which I think is just kind of like a difficult thing to do in general. Like, how do you do filmmaking on a Bitcoin standard while not allowing all the the shenanigans

1:00:43Richard Greaser that have been pervading or so pervasive in Hollywood? Like, how do you prevent party

1:00:52Mike from having to be a norm? You know what I mean? I I have a couple of thoughts on that. I would say, it takes a much longer time to make a film on a Bitcoin standard, I'd say. And then second thing I'd say is I don't know if the Bitcoin community and space won't devolve into what has already become of the Fiat Hollywood. So you think

1:01:16Richard Greaser in hyper Bitcoinized future, there's still gonna be ditty parties?

1:01:21Mike I think that if you have a collection of people with, you know, an extreme amount of wealth, you know, very concentrated that it's hard not there's

1:01:37Mike you know, it's very difficult not to push the world in the way that you want it to go. And hopefully, you have good morals about you. But but, with that kind of power,

1:01:52Rod Palmer you know Yeah. Yeah. I right. Just like, you know, I think a lot of people would answer that it doesn't get rid of ditty parties. It just disincentivizes ditty parties. Wow. Or you're you're less likely to you're less likely to do a peer you know, to do a transaction with somebody that diddy partied

1:02:14Rod Palmer because that's gonna be on chain and people are gonna know that you, you know, streamed sats to Diddy. Why would you stream sats to Diddy if you weren't getting something, you know, pretty fucked up in return? Yeah. You'd have to

1:02:29Mike really be careful of your KYC setup. That's true. Yeah.

1:02:33Rod Palmer You see, and most people don't know how to do that. So they'd be disincentivized from going to titty parties because they wouldn't even know how to not get caught. True. That that is a positive.

1:02:45Richard Greaser There's like a real potential, right? Which is that, you know, all these individuals are running around that are significantly hornier because their dicks are working because they stopped eating seed oils.

1:02:60Richard Greaser And anytime they were having issues, they just said Dennis Porter's name and it started working again. So, that's like one of the potential issues. But like,

1:03:11Richard Greaser don't you think that strong man will stand up in a world on the Bitcoin standard and take all these pitos and rapists and throw them over wood chippers? I think that I think that you're gonna see people

1:03:24Rod Palmer marching through the streets, sir, and it'd be chanting, like, I'm hard horny, and I can't afford much access. And things need to change. And if people are going to ditty parties instead of listening to forty hours per week so that we can fix the economy,

1:03:44Rod Palmer it's just not gonna be that behavior is gonna be rooted out of society if people have to go door by door. Yeah. I think that the

1:03:53Mike that is true. I mean, I I wonder what creates a like, how does a society create a pedo or, like, a group of pedos or, like, a collection of like, what do you have to

1:04:05Rod Palmer do to turn the other way. That's what you have to do. So people And people are gonna say, I'm not I'm not turning the other way. I am, I'm going to notice. People are going to start noticing. I've

1:04:20Richard Greaser got a theory on this, which is I think these cycles of pedophilia abuse and sexual abuse like this that we see in institutions like Hollywood or like intergenerational. You know what I mean? There's multiple generations participating

1:04:37Richard Greaser in it.

1:04:38Rod Palmer And they sacrifice their children to that generational Jeff. Yeah.

1:04:45Richard Greaser It's a way to control people, Right? So, like, you just, like, break people down when they're kids and turn them into these husks of human beings that have just been so traumatized.

1:04:59Richard Greaser And this is this is what the CIA this is part of the reason why I hate this guy so much and, like, why why one of my missions with the bugle is to really try and demolish the CIA ran media is because they're they're just a part of this this type of abuse. Right? I find so disgusting. But I think that's kind of how you create a society

1:05:23Richard Greaser where that's so pervasive is is that you just got it's it's breaking people down. Like and this is one of the reasons why I think cigarettes are the solution to it. You know what I mean? It's because cigarettes are the pillar to allowing people to heal from all the all

1:05:43Richard Greaser the despair that is caused by living in this fiat world. What does it mean?

1:05:49Rod Palmer And and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and teaches you that, like, even when there's down times, it will always, you always have a bear, a bull market. It'll always go to the moon every couple of years. It'll be worth it. Never give up.

1:06:02Richard Greaser I don't really wanna go on an Eric Keeson rant here. But you have two choices in the world. Right? You can either listen to Bitcoin podcast, be informed, and know that there's always pedos running rampant, abusing people. Or you can not smoke cigarettes, not listen to Bitcoin podcast,

1:06:22Richard Greaser and just, like, try to pretend like none of it's real and close your eyes and, cover your ears and shout la la la all day. Those are, like, the two options. Or I guess there's a third option too, which is you can actively engage and participate in in all of it. It's like the matrix question. Everything comes down to that question. Like cigarettes are like the real life red pill. You know what I mean?

1:06:47Richard Greaser That helps you see through the matrix or at least, deal with it.

1:06:52Mike What do you think it is about cigarettes that do that? It's a good question. I mean, I think

1:06:56Richard Greaser tobacco is it it has almost a a, you know, whether you're like atheist or religious, it has a sort of spiritual effect to it, right? It is

1:07:11Richard Greaser the act of harnessing fire, which is an act that's very symbolic in human history. This goes back to Prometheus, where Prometheus, who was a Titan, stole

1:07:26Richard Greaser fire from the Greek gods and gave it to humanity. The gods weren't very happy about that, but that was like this foundational moment in human history. And so smoking cigarettes is the process of that,

1:07:42Richard Greaser right? So Adam Curry, I'm actually writing a chapter about this in my book. Adam Curry is like the Prometheus

1:07:54Richard Greaser of media. He invented podcasting, which was essentially stealing the ability to share information with the public from the gods, being the ones that controlled the radio stations and the cable television

1:08:12Richard Greaser and gave this medium to the average Bitcoin blob. So you kind of see the parallels between those two. I see it. Yeah. It comes back to cigarettes. It's a it's a ritual that lets you

1:08:25Rod Palmer realize that you have the power of the gods when you listen to Jeff Booth or Lynn Alden, you know, or or Harry Suttig on the podcast. It's like you are getting knowledge straight from, like, the top of the universe unfiltered

1:08:45Rod Palmer through The States, you know, CIA, network

1:08:50Mike cable news filters. So it's actually quite important that I smoke cigarettes that actually burn. Well,

1:08:59Richard Greaser here's the great thing about Bitcoin podcasting. So, like, you know, what what did all the CIA CIA ran media channels say about cigarettes? They'll say it gives you cancer and you're gonna die from it. Right? They don't say

1:09:16Richard Greaser is that if you talk to Jack Cruz, you can reverse your cancer and that's not even a concern. And all the time in between now and then, you enjoyed your life a lot more, improved a lot higher quality stuff.

1:09:31Rod Palmer They they like to remind you that cigarettes will kill you, but they never tell you that they will give you life as well. I mean, I I think that Same same as fire.

1:09:46Richard Greaser Read reading the New York time kills people. I think I think that's more devastating than smoking cigarettes, personally.

1:09:55Mike One second.

1:09:56Richard Greaser New York Times, it makes you stupid because it's all written by the CIA. It's all scion. If if if Bitcoin can

1:10:05Rod Palmer be there for drug dealers, it can be there for people who can afford their taxes. And it's just it's something that nobody can take away from you. That they it's also like taking the ability to afford your taxes

1:10:22Rod Palmer at all times away from the gods and giving it to the plebs. That's kind of what's happening too. It used to be you had to have a certain, you know,

1:10:33Rod Palmer genetic disposition or used to have to be a certain last name or used to have to be a monarch to never have to worry about not being able to afford taxes. But now, we have a permissionless tool that anyone can use to be able to afford taxes.

1:10:51Richard Greaser Yep. Yeah. I mean, Satoshi essentially took it's very like Prometheus like story.

1:11:01Rod Palmer Even a even a even a Prusa girl on the side of the road can afford her taxes now. But it's not just fire

1:11:08Richard Greaser because there's a lot of things that you can smoke. Right? Like, there's a lot of altcoins that are out there that you can use, but they don't necessarily mean that they're Bitcoin. But k 2? Yeah. Like k 2 or chives or Salvia. Yeah. All that stupid stuff that people smoke. The guy that thought he was buying weed, but he was buying,

1:11:32Richard Greaser Oregano.

1:11:37Rod Palmer Yeah. I mean, if you if you ever bought a bag of oregano and you get home and you realize that somebody basically ripped you off,

1:11:47Richard Greaser that is the same thing as buying wrapped Bitcoin. Yeah. I mean, tobacco is just, like, enhances your life. Like, it mixes with every substance well. You know what I mean? It, makes you think smarter. It kills nanotechnology. It raises your testosterone. It protects

1:12:06Rod Palmer you from COVID.

1:12:08Richard Greaser Yeah. It challenges you to smoke adversarially in this environment. Like, if you have enough dignity and self respect, you're gonna find a way to smoke on an airplane,

1:12:21Mike and you're gonna go away with it. So that's why there's a big push to ban or a big push to stop it or advertisements to Yeah.

1:12:30Richard Greaser Exactly. I I guess this is kinda like, you know, you you're concerned about these calamitous events, and and that was kinda like that moment for me when I read that Biden wanted to reduce the nicotine and tobacco or 95%. I don't even know how you would do that. I guess, like, the only way to do that would be to go and buy the GMO

1:12:54Richard Greaser tobacco from Bill Gates or something. I felt, like, a sense of dread when I initially read that. And then, like, deep inside me, the sense of defiance welled up of

1:13:10Richard Greaser you know, I'm not gonna allow these these motherfucking geriatric losers like Joe Biden to determine the outcome of my life. I'm gonna fucking smoke cigarettes whether he bans it or not. I'll die on this hill. I don't give a shit

1:13:29Richard Greaser because I'm a human with self dignity who listens to forty forty hours of Bitcoin podcast a week. I'm not gonna put up with it.

1:13:40Rod Palmer Yeah. I I refuse to stop using Wall of the Satoshi just because it got banned in The United States. I refuse to stop using samurai

1:13:52Rod Palmer for coin mixing. Now it's Ashigaru. I refuse to stop, you know, buying, not like KYC feedback. See, it goes on and on. But, the, you know, before we get into the fountain boost tonight, Mike,

1:14:09Rod Palmer you have been put now tune after tune. You're dominating the charts on way Blake. Talk a little bit about you said you got another song you're gonna write tonight. What is what's going on here? So, yeah, this is actually

1:14:25Mike something that, you guys turned me on to just because I saw some of your work on Wave Lake. And I was thinking, like, you know, I I used to I used to rap, actually.

1:14:40Mike There was a time in my life, maybe, like, twenty odd some odd years ago that I Like modest like modest Yahoo? I don't know I don't know what that is, but maybe. I had I had a whole persona. I came out with a CD that I would sell to people. And,

1:15:00Mike I I thought I was pretty okay, you know, extremely, influenced by Eminem. I mean, that's kinda what I grew up listening to. And so Of course. The only thing that

1:15:17Mike came between me and writing music was the fact that I don't know how to produce it. And when you don't know how to produce your own music, then you're not gonna you're not gonna make any. So there came this tool, this AI tool now in the in the age of AI

1:15:36Mike that allowed me to just plug in some lyrics, test out those lyrics on a whatever beat that AI decided for me and iterate.

1:15:50Mike And that was extremely, extremely exciting. It's, like, opened up an entire world for me that I I kinda just can't stop thinking about. Like, I I just start coming up with like, a lyric will hit me, and I'll be like, okay. Well, that's a that's a funny little thing that I can attach on to. And even tonight, like,

1:16:13Mike as I was putting the little the kids to bed, I was you know, in my head, I'm coming up with the song, and I was sort of inspired by this whole, you know, Russ being freed thing. So I I thought that I might write a song that revolved around that. But yeah. You want me to hit some bars?

1:16:34Rod Palmer Are you going to, are you going to show Ross your song? Does he go listen to your song? I would hope so. I mean, I'm writing it There's gonna be a lot of people writing Ross' thought love songs. This is gonna be I mean, use if yours is on the top of Wavelight, you might see it. I I've I can

1:16:55Mike I can tell you the, I can I can spit a few I can't spit a few bars because I don't spit, but the AI will spit it for me? But I can tell you the bars. Well, I'm kinda curious to hear,

1:17:07Richard Greaser maybe some bars from the past when you were spitting bars. You know what I mean?

1:17:13Mike Like in the my my previous stuff? Alright. I I can tell I can I have a song out? It's called I am I am a legend, and the the hook goes like this. It goes, I'm a legend, you fucking with a loaded gun. I told you, son. I'll leave you with a hole in one. I'm a legend. Always got the police watching,

1:17:34Mike constantly pushing paparazzi off me. I'm a legend. Won't even do my body harm. This body armor hold me like a bodyguard. I'm a legend. Bitches stick like flypaper, stacking money higher than a skyscraper.

1:17:50Richard Greaser I'm a legend. Do you want me to lay down a beat for you?

1:17:54Mike I'm sorry. If you want, I I don't think I I don't think I could do it right now, but I have to be quieter

1:18:03Richard Greaser in my office. We'll we'll put a rain check on that. Alright. I think it's just I think this is what you get to experience when you live a lifestyle in this way is you get to explore this artistic side of you that, like, a lot of people really hold down. It's just like

1:18:26Richard Greaser what what you get to do when you get off the hamster wheel when you're constantly chasing the ability to pay the IRS, it's not a problem anymore. Because essentially what you're doing is you're just writing poetry.

1:18:37Mike Right? Yeah. That's it. All the rest is done for me.

1:18:41Rod Palmer Yeah. It's it's it's time for society to remember that it's fine to be gay after you pay your taxes. Until you could pay your taxes, you gotta, like, work hard and work in the mines and work, you know,

1:18:58Rod Palmer throwing for oil. And once you can pay your taxes, you can you can wear you can write poetry and and wear t shirts with your friends are on it. It's it's interesting because I feel like poetry

1:19:10Richard Greaser at one point in American history was very popular and then people kind of decided it was gay. And then Eminem came along and NWA in these different groups that kind of and I guess you could say a lot of music is poetry,

1:19:26Richard Greaser right? It's like, you know, it's all it is really. There's something about rap. Is rap stands for rhythm and poetry, right? Or did somebody just make that up? I thought it was short for crap. I think I just learned something. The rap is short for crap. Maybe. No, I think it's short for rhythm and poetry. I think that makes a lot of sense. We'll have to look that up. So, it was kind of this interesting process of taking something that was one scene as Like, I think a lot of women, like today, for example,

1:19:57Richard Greaser if you wrote Aubrey Strobel a poem professing your desire to have her come on your podcast or to go with her or go with you to a beefsteak, she'd probably turn her her nose up against it. You know, she'd be like, oh, wow. What a loser.

1:20:15Richard Greaser But, like, if you go back, like, you know, the time of the civil war, people like Ralph Waldo Emerson were legends, absolutely legends. There were all these super based

1:20:30Richard Greaser gigachad poets back in the day and rap is just like the modern iteration of that in a lot of ways. It's a good assessment. Alright. So one of the things we do on this show, Mike, is we we read the previous shows, Fountain booze, which is pretty interesting. So first, we ask you a purity test question. Did you listen to our last episode

1:20:56Richard Greaser of behind the podcast? No. I think that's been the case for every guest that we've had on, which has been interesting. So just to give you a preface before we go into the boost and get your comments on it. So the last episode we did was with Mars, and we discussed female influencers

1:21:17Richard Greaser being the apex predators. We also discussed the litany of feds that are out there and how to spot them. And we also discussed why it's important to make Karenism create a gun. Those are, like, the three big topics on the episode. I gotta go listen to that one. Yeah. So what we do here is we read

1:21:38Richard Greaser the boosh, and then we all do comments on it. And it's kind of funny to get the guest perspective because they probably didn't listen to the show. I'll do my best. Wait. So this is the seventh episode. Rod, are we are we zero for seven on whether our guests actually listened to the show?

1:21:55Rod Palmer No. I think fundamentals did. But but we're close. Alright.

1:21:60Richard Greaser So the first boost from John. So are you familiar with John from under ungovernable misfits? Mike? Yes. He says, unfiltered cigarettes are the raw milk of nicotine delivery. That makes sense.

1:22:16Rod Palmer Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's not for everybody. And some people think it's unhealthy, but it's actually very based.

1:22:27Mike Makes you bad. Do you does raw milk have those little, like, chunks in it? No. Does it have it's just straight up milk? It's essentially milk that hasn't been boiled. I guess what raw milk is. It it has

1:22:39Richard Greaser health benefits because

1:22:42Mike it hasn't been screwed with any process. Because whenever I smoke a cigarette without a filter, I'm always

1:22:50Richard Greaser spitting out tobacco. Yeah. I mean, that's one of the downsides of it. Like, they're definitely I I I think one of the reasons why cigarettes with filters became popular is because they're it it's just easier for filter filter or sorry, for the cigarettes to retain the shape. You know what I mean? Because, like, if you're walking around with a pack Yeah. Has jostled all over the place, and it doesn't have a filter to kinda hold the shape of the cigarette,

1:23:19Mike that could be problematic. I thought it was to put fiberglass into your gums.

1:23:25Richard Greaser Well, those are menthol. Are you thinking chewing tobacco?

1:23:30Rod Palmer No. It's menthol. That's, that was the CIA. They made Newport's popular in the black community in the eighties to basically,

1:23:40Mike you know, destroy families. Oh, so Mentos are not a good cigarette, this one.

1:23:44Rod Palmer Not a record for you. Okay. But yeah. Thank you. Thank you, John. The next one is 10,000 sats for fundamentals, buddy. Great episode. Probably reading this after talking to a much leaner guest than Mars. Oh, man. That's kind of a kind of a dig on Mike there. Tough act to follow. Mars really delivered, and he brought up the best in you guys.

1:24:09Rod Palmer He traded his vape for real sakes.

1:24:11Richard Greaser He'd be a real problem. So it's interesting to see the patterns that we have over our guests. So Mike is the second vaper in a row that we've had on the podcast. Those are popular. Maybe there's a push to

1:24:24Mike try to become healthier, but we don't we're we're not really sure what we're doing.

1:24:29Rod Palmer Most of the people that vape, like, also buy NFTs as well. There you

1:24:34Richard Greaser go. Misinformed. Do you think those two things are correlated,

1:24:39Mike vaping and NFTs? I'd say that

1:24:42Rod Palmer you would probably get. Yeah. For sure.

1:24:44Mike You have there's a relationship between two of them,

1:24:47Richard Greaser certainly in the in the color scheme. What do you think that's about? It's just like the the RBG that they have on, Veebs draw you to kinda like the flashy JPEG pictures. I think,

1:25:02Mike an NFT tastes like a, you know, strawberry cereal vape. You know, those things sort of coincide in my mind. If if I were to smoke if I were to smoke an NFT, that's what it would taste like. Oh, I thought you were, like,

1:25:18Rod Palmer kissing the hot babe NFTs you were buying on the screen or something. Like, when I think of

1:25:23Richard Greaser somebody's house,

1:25:24Rod Palmer Do you think that people kiss their NFTs? I bet some people definitely kiss their NFTs. I bet Mike did. When I go into like somebody's house

1:25:33Richard Greaser or their car and they vape in it all day, I just think of stickiness. You know what I mean? It just feels sticky in there. Like, you pick up your shoe and your shoe kind of sticks to the floor because they've been vaping everywhere. You like touch the wall

1:25:51Richard Greaser and all of a sudden your

1:25:52Mike hand's sticky. Yeah. I feel it.

1:25:54Richard Greaser Yep. And Yeah. And if it's on Ethereum feel kinda sticky to me. For sure. Thank you, 100 models. Pfizer for 420 sat so are you familiar with Pfizer, like? Yes.

1:26:08Rod Palmer Regular booster efforts. Shout out to Pies. Thank you, Pies. Hey. Pies, Pies, listen Pies listens and boosts every Bitcoin podcast on fountain. So if you if you have one episode out, Pies has probably heard it.

1:26:23Mike He's doing the work.

1:26:26Richard Greaser I've been told. So one of the consistent things that Pies does is he does emojis in his boost. So these emojis are beers clinking, mushroom, strong-arm, cigarette. I, it's interesting because I I think there's some sort of secret code behind his boost. It's just more than just random emojis. Like he's trying to communicate with you? Yeah. Do you have any thoughts on what this message

1:26:53Richard Greaser might be deciphered or how to decipher this message? Let me look. The first emoji a deer

1:27:00Mike emoji. Mushroom strong-arm, cigarette. The deer emoji. That's a tough one. I don't know.

1:27:11Richard Greaser No. It's beer. Like, two glasses clinking. Beer. Okay. Okay. Like, cheers.

1:27:17Rod Palmer Yeah. You're just saying cheers, psychedelic mushrooms, fucking strong,

1:27:23Mike smoked syrup. Now you know, that's

1:27:25Rod Palmer that is tells you all you need to know. Cheers.

1:27:31Richard Greaser And then the mushrooms probably associated with the swan sex cold. And then working out, this might be a reference to Steven Lopka at the gym. And then the cigarette probably has to do with the bugle.

1:27:48Richard Greaser So all those four things coming together. I had to get some of the acid. Yeah. It's kind of the essence.

1:27:53Mike He does the four twenty sets as well.

1:27:56Richard Greaser Yeah. Which is plausible a signal to the having, which happened on 04/20, which was the the start of this cycle, essentially. Very cryptic. Then, you know, Pies is the man.

1:28:09Rod Palmer The, last one, wartime. And he's starting to, starting to be a regular like Pies on the boost, but he's just three fire emojis.

1:28:20Rod Palmer Thank you, wartime.

1:28:22Richard Greaser A little less cryptic, but there definitely could be a few interpretations. Could be referencing the LA fires. Could be a lot of things. Yeah. If you wanna throw it. Before we wrap up the show, Mike, so this has been your first return, your first podcast appearance in some time. Do you have anything that you want

1:28:44Richard Greaser your fans that are missing your presence to know? Any words of wisdom to share with them? Is there anything you wanna get out there?

1:28:54Mike It's a good question. There there is a, there's, like, a statement I wanted to make for the longest time. Seriously. Just to put it out there and, you know, say that I haven't forgotten about this show.

1:29:15Mike But, you know, time gets away from you. You never do it, but and I make a lot of excuses. But the thing I do wanna say is, like, a lot of stuff came up, you know, the the normal, string of

1:29:30Mike reasons. And then, I do wanna say thank you guys for continuing to reach out and, give give us words of encouragement and wish us well and,

1:29:48Mike want the show to return. I'm working in the background to, you know, just a a brief summary of what, you know, history of what, has occurred.

1:30:02Mike You know, I I'll I was gone from Swan that I unfortunately attached, the the YouTube channel to that email account, so that entire thing was nuked, unfortunately. And then

1:30:19Mike right I think a a day or two days afterwards, the and I was in I was in the middle of a move at the time.

1:30:26Rod Palmer Swan Swan did to high hash rate what they are accusing Tether of doing to them. Very rich.

1:30:35Mike But, yeah, I was in the middle of a, move, and when I a lot of things get sort of moved around and rustled. And the hard drive that I was, like, editing all my stuff on for for the show, it complete it just died on me. So

1:30:53Mike I luckily had a backup, but it's it's a much older version. So I had to I basically had to rebuild the show. And that's what I've been doing a lot in the background, trying to, you know, recreate that experience, get back into the swing of things with Dan.

1:31:12Mike Shout out, Dan. And yeah, thank you guys. It's it means a lot to me. Oh, yeah, man. Well,

1:31:23Rod Palmer let us know when you relaunch high hash rate and, when you rebuild rebuild the show. And, thank you. Thank you for coming on tonight and, talking about the struggle that we all going through to

1:31:42Richard Greaser be able to forward our taxes. Thank you guys for inviting me. This is a a treat. Yeah. Hopefully, this was a reprieve from your time of following the the cloud of smoke in the desert. Indeed. And Indeed. I look forward I look forward to you building back my hash rate better. Make high hash rate great again. Hell yeah.