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   +title: "Transcript: BroccoliSpace Media With Charlie Spears | BTP Episode 19"
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   +date: 2025-07-10
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2">0:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2" data-t="2">Transaction fees are hitting all time lows.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5" data-t="5">Bitcoin is hitting all time highs.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-7" data-t="7">It is the summer of paper Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-10" data-t="10">Runes and ordinals have nearly been forgotten,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-13" data-t="13">yet there are still a handful of people who are refusing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-16" data-t="16">to forget that they exist.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-18">0:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-18" data-t="18">There's one man who refuses to forget about ordinals. For years, he walked amongst the Bitcoin maximalists</span> <span class="cue" id="t-25" data-t="25">like a wolf in sheep's clothing,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-27" data-t="27">Only to reveal that he was a JPEG</span> <span class="cue" id="t-30" data-t="30">shitcoiner.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-31" data-t="31">Now he spends his time podcasting about Bitcoin with his new media company, Block Space Media.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-37" data-t="37">A partnership with the broccoli haircut,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-40">0:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-40" data-t="40">without a broccoli haircut, Will Foxley.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-43" data-t="43">Here to explain to us what is going on is the man, the myth, the legend, Charlie Spears.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-49" data-t="49">How are you doing tonight?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-51">0:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-51" data-t="51">Oh, I'm fantastic. If if Will gets to be broccoli, then I'm chart and, maybe I'm asparagus. Then my name is Asparagus Fears.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-60" data-t="60">There's your, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-61" data-t="61">dumb</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-62">1:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-62" data-t="62">intro little effort jokes for the episode. Yeah. Charlie, thanks for coming on. The</span> <span class="cue" id="t-69" data-t="69">you started</span> <span class="cue" id="t-70" data-t="70">this media company called BlockSpace Media,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-73" data-t="73">and that is what you intended to take over, the block space. With your ordinals spam,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-78" data-t="78">how much how much do you invest in the in the ordinals,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-83" data-t="83">taking over the block space?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-85">1:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-85" data-t="85">And then it all like, how basically, how much was your taproot wizard? I know those have gone way down in value. I'm just wondering what the what the return was.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-93">1:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-93" data-t="93">I'm prob you know, the tax man's gonna come after me, but, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-97" data-t="97">I'm up, man. And you know why? It's because I don't really buy these things. I just have fun, and I, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-104" data-t="104">I I I mint stuff that my friends do, and my friends are all smart and they're brilliant. They figure out how to give me a low cost basis. That's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-112" data-t="112">if if you know how shitcoins work, insiders make all the money. I've spent a decade</span> <span class="cue" id="t-117" data-t="117">making myself an insider. So, yeah, the it's been great. I've been having a blast extracting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-123" data-t="123">from the Bitcoin ecosystem,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-126">2:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-126" data-t="126">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-127" data-t="127">I'm finally ready to, now that I've made my bag,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-130" data-t="130">go into podcasting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-131" data-t="131">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-132" data-t="132">assert my opinions on the unwilling listeners.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-136">2:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-136" data-t="136">A tale is old as time.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-139">2:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-139" data-t="139">It's it's looking at podcasting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-141" data-t="141">is gonna be the new way</span> <span class="cue" id="t-143" data-t="143">to become an insider again.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-146">2:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-146" data-t="146">Was it ever not? I mean, podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-149" data-t="149">there's there's, like, a there's very much a we're a hierarchical society, and podcasters are at the very top.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-155" data-t="155">The builders and the developers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-157" data-t="157">are at the bottom. They serve us.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-160" data-t="160">Their entire existence is to come up with things for us to shit on.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-164">2:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-164" data-t="164">Well, yeah. I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-165" data-t="165">that is, you know, on Bitcoin Twitter, we romanticize</span> <span class="cue" id="t-169" data-t="169">the Bitcoin podcaster. But to be a little more serious, we learned in the past six months or so, especially with the election and and post election,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-178" data-t="178">that being a podcaster</span> <span class="cue" id="t-180" data-t="180">gets you a seat at the table. And then you've got</span> <span class="cue" id="t-184" data-t="184">the vice president, the president,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-186">3:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-186" data-t="186">the secretary of state, heads of state, RFK junior</span> <span class="cue" id="t-191" data-t="191">at your beck and call to be on your podcast. It gets you it's like you're a main man. You now have access to, you know, the other captains. Like, you've got a you've got a pension, so to speak. Not necessarily. But if you had yeah. If you'd set up your podcast</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-207">3:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-207" data-t="207">on on Fountain, you could have a royalties pension. So many possibilities. But that's a But it's a seat at the table. Yeah, Rob. But I've already extracted enough from Bitcoiners. Do I do I need another $200 a month from Fountain? I mean, I've already made my bag. I've I've I've</span> <span class="cue" id="t-223" data-t="223">forced them to buy my JPEGs.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-225" data-t="225">I'm forcing them to store my JPEGs on their nodes. Like, what more could I possibly want?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-230">3:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-230" data-t="230">Well, the the next step</span> <span class="cue" id="t-233" data-t="233">as a podcaster is to get a advisory role of some sort at a paper Bitcoin company.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-240" data-t="240">And then</span> <span class="cue" id="t-241" data-t="241">now you get to extract</span> <span class="cue" id="t-243" data-t="243">money from the boomers.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-245">4:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-245" data-t="245">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-246" data-t="246">That is they are the final exit liquidity.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-249" data-t="249">That's why if you noticed,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-251" data-t="251">I changed my profile picture on Twitter recently.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-255" data-t="255">I've I had a profile picture which I've had for over a decade now, and I updated it for the modern era for paper Bitcoin summer.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-263" data-t="263">I had Udi Wertheimer,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-266">4:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-266" data-t="266">make me a one of one JPEG with me in a suit. And so I put on the suit,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-271" data-t="271">and nobody know nobody cared who I was until I put on the suit. And so now,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-277" data-t="277">now I'm, I'm I'm in the market. So if you have,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-281" data-t="281">like, a Steven Lubecka type position at your company, I would love</span> <span class="cue" id="t-286" data-t="286">to, take it.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-289">4:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-289" data-t="289">You're an aspiring suit coiner.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-291" data-t="291">Yeah. You you don't it's dress for the job you want, not the job you have. Yeah. You wanna be the net yeah. I mean, dude, I was talking about this the other day.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-301" data-t="301">This is an ambitious one. I don't I don't know if you're interested in it, but somebody's gonna be interested in it. I think the right podcaster could turn grayscale Bitcoin Trust GBTC</span> <span class="cue" id="t-311" data-t="311">right around.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-312" data-t="312">Now it is an ETF.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-313" data-t="313">Now it doesn't have the the premium problem, the, the discount problem. It's not the closed end fund anymore. Now you could turn GBTC</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-323">5:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-323" data-t="323">into the next</span> <span class="cue" id="t-324" data-t="324">Fidelity Bitcoin ETF or, like, the next,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-328">5:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-328" data-t="328">you know, meta play in it. One of those. You gotta go look at the yeah. I mean, Barry Silbert hasn't been on a Bitcoin podcast in a long time.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-337" data-t="337">Just think. You know, Barry, if you're listening, I know you're a loyal listener of the show.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-342" data-t="342">Imagine what we could do with,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-345" data-t="345">a grayscale</span> <span class="cue" id="t-346" data-t="346">under DCG,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-349" data-t="349">Bitcoin podcast. We could get that premium back up. We could get that MNAV</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-353">5:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-353" data-t="353">at a 150%</span> <span class="cue" id="t-354" data-t="354">again. That was that was cool back in the day.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-357">5:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-357" data-t="357">Barry</span> <span class="cue" id="t-359" data-t="359">can stick Barry can stick to doing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-361" data-t="361">what he does best,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-363" data-t="363">rehypothecation.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-365" data-t="365">Yeah. And he let a podcaster do the the the public relations, the front facing. Let let a Bitcoin podcast, somebody like Lubbka,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-375" data-t="375">somebody even better,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-376">6:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-376" data-t="376">Do do the and you just rehypothecate.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-378" data-t="378">That's all you gotta do.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-380">6:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-380" data-t="380">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-381" data-t="381">If if you could only, like, stake podcasts,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-384" data-t="384">so then you could somehow stake your podcast to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-389" data-t="389">get yield on it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-391" data-t="391">I I don't know. I'm spitballing. I don't know. I'll leave that. I don't wanna give away my c all my secrets on this show.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-397">6:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-397" data-t="397">If there's somebody that I would,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-400" data-t="400">be confident in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-402" data-t="402">that could figure out how to stake podcasts like you're describing, it would be probably be Bit Digital.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-410">6:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-410" data-t="410">Yeah. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-412" data-t="412">they're, they're making a big move into into Ethereum.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-415" data-t="415">It's a quite a quite a trade out of Bitcoin into Ethereum,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-421" data-t="421">like it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-422" data-t="422">2019</span> <span class="cue" id="t-423" data-t="423">all over again. You know? It's the trade of the cycle.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-427">7:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-427" data-t="427">The the shitcoiners, they always come back to Bitcoin podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-432" data-t="432">That's the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-433" data-t="433">they're the prodigal children. They'll they'll always come home. They'll they'll they'll realize,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-439" data-t="439">they have to come back eventually.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-442">7:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-442" data-t="442">As as a value</span> <span class="cue" id="t-444" data-t="444">extractor professional, you're a credentialed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-446" data-t="446">value extractor Yeah. From the ecosystem.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-449" data-t="449">What do you worry</span> <span class="cue" id="t-451" data-t="451">that Solana</span> <span class="cue" id="t-452" data-t="452">is going to steal some of that boomer liquidity</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-456">7:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-456" data-t="456">by basically, we we talk about this on the time of our podcast. The boomers love to just gamble their Social Security away in Vegas. And we saw that when we were in Vegas, you know, just a few months ago. I was I was amazed at how many boomers were there just fucking gambling.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-470" data-t="470">Are you worried that Solana meme coin community is gonna steal that liquidity? Are you gonna be able to capture that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-476" data-t="476">in paper Bitcoin or in ordinals or some in some way on Bitcoin?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-482">8:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-482" data-t="482">That is I'm glad you got right to it. That is the the problem that everyone's trying to solve for is how to keep Solana from taking all the boomers' money.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-492" data-t="492">And I have bad news for you. There you just it's a permissionless world,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-497" data-t="497">and you can't stop them. You can only build a better product. So if we can just figure out how to make Bitcoin's block times a 100,000 times faster</span> <span class="cue" id="t-505" data-t="505">and, hire a CEO</span> <span class="cue" id="t-507" data-t="507">and make him retarded, then I think we may have a fighting chance. I think you're underestimating</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-513">8:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-513" data-t="513">Predator. He he's</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-515">8:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-515" data-t="515">he's got a potential to stop him. I you you brought his name up first. If I were gonna hire a CEO of Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-521" data-t="521">I would hire Platator. You need someone who's kinda got it, but still, like, has</span> <span class="cue" id="t-527" data-t="527">giant holes missing from their head.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-530" data-t="530">Yeah. I mean, he's he checks all the boxes.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-533">8:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-533" data-t="533">So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-535" data-t="535">I think I don't think the solution</span> <span class="cue" id="t-538" data-t="538">to this problem</span> <span class="cue" id="t-540" data-t="540">of Solana</span> <span class="cue" id="t-541" data-t="541">is why is a technical one. And I want your reaction. I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-545" data-t="545">that we need to inspire the broccoli haircuts because they're the ones building on Solana.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-550">9:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-550" data-t="550">The broccoli haircut consumers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-553" data-t="553">are the rebellious. They're better AI than their boomer parents, and they're annoying</span> <span class="cue" id="t-558" data-t="558">millennial and Gen x.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-560" data-t="560">Older brothers,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-561" data-t="561">they're telling them Bitcoin only. Bitcoin not crypto. Bitcoin only. Blah blah blah. Don't be a scammer.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-567" data-t="567">You know, they're they're sticking and they're trolling, and they're better than they're gonna make a lot more money. They're so much better at technology than us. And if we can inspire more at, like, the the virtuous</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-578">9:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-578" data-t="578">broccoli haircuts, like Will Foxley, like Dylan McClure. We used to have Will Clemente. We lost him. He's with the freaking Solana assholes. But I think we just have to win over the broccoli haircuts.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-590">9:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-590" data-t="590">Yeah. What happened to Will? I thought he was one of us.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-593">9:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-593" data-t="593">I you know, he was yeah. Raoul</span> <span class="cue" id="t-595" data-t="595">Pal did little little scarfs in front of him, and he went right to him. Happened. He went too deep into on chain analytics,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-602">10:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-602" data-t="602">because that was the hot thing back in, like, 1920</span> <span class="cue" id="t-605" data-t="605">was the on chain boys. Willie Woo.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-608" data-t="608">Yeah. Yeah. Willie</span> <span class="cue" id="t-609" data-t="609">Woo,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-610" data-t="610">Dylan, and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-612" data-t="612">and,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-613">10:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-613" data-t="613">and Will.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-614" data-t="614">And all we got is Dylan still. Willie's kind of ascended into his own category, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-620" data-t="620">Dylan stayed with us, and he's actually he's played the game the best, probably the second best that there ever was, second to Sailor himself. Because Dylan</span> <span class="cue" id="t-627" data-t="627">I mean, who was the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-629" data-t="629">this time last year, what was the thing? It's like he was making moves. He's gonna be the sailor of Japan,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-634" data-t="634">the sailor, if you will. And, so he, yeah, he's gonna be he's already, like,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-640">10:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-640" data-t="640">on his, third or fourth, like, major extraction event. You gotta hand it to him. Kids got it.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-648">10:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-648" data-t="648">Do you do</span> <span class="cue" id="t-649" data-t="649">you think that Klederer</span> <span class="cue" id="t-651" data-t="651">is, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-652" data-t="652">is worried that Dylan might make a play for Nintendo? Like, if Dylan would declare</span> <span class="cue" id="t-657" data-t="657">because Manifliet announced the other day that that they're gonna let their accretion of their Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-663" data-t="663">the on their balance sheet grow, and then they're gonna go out and they're gonna find productive companies that they can</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-668">11:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-668" data-t="668">acquire</span> <span class="cue" id="t-669" data-t="669">so they can build their empire. Do you think Nintendo is in their crosshairs?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-673" data-t="673">And if Bill and McClary gets control over distribution, the Nintendo Switch,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-678" data-t="678">Pleder's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-679" data-t="679">permissionless access to video games</span> <span class="cue" id="t-682" data-t="682">is in jeopardy.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-683">11:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-683" data-t="683">And do you think he's worried about that?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-686">11:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-686" data-t="686">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-687" data-t="687">I the it is it's an existential threat. I mean, if you think about it, like, Dylan is in Japan, which is the which is we're downstream culturally of Japan. Japan makes all of Predator's favorite movies.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-699" data-t="699">I mean, think of what happens. We'll never get an Akira sequel if, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-704" data-t="704">if Dylan gets his mighty hands in there and he starts owning all the anime. I mean, he's we're will be relegated to only, like, you know, we'll only be able to play, like, Death Stranding one through 10 because Dylan will force us to play Hideo Kojima games the rest of our lives. Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-720" data-t="720">he's gonna it is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-723" data-t="723">it's the worst form of colonialism,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-725">12:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-725" data-t="725">and Dylan's going to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-728" data-t="728">he's going to extract all that he can, all the cultural and monetary extraction meta planet. It will be a dry husk of a hotel company by the time he's done with it.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-738">12:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-738" data-t="738">Yeah. Exactly. Predator wanted to go</span> <span class="cue" id="t-742" data-t="742">colonize</span> <span class="cue" id="t-743" data-t="743">and and take all the Japanese girls for his girlfriends himself. And and Dylan's going in and stealing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-749" data-t="749">all that hot anime girls online think Dylan is hot and not Predator now. And it's just it's crushing them. Yeah. It's tough. That's a tough one.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-758">12:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-758" data-t="758">Yeah. I mean, it's the the window's not closing. If Planitar were to go now to Japan and were to make his bid, he could probably</span> <span class="cue" id="t-767" data-t="767">he'll probably get a few numbers.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-770" data-t="770">Maybe he could wake up a few. What do they call those people who get, like, who live inside and never go outside again</span> <span class="cue" id="t-775" data-t="775">in Japan? There's, like, shut ins. Oh, yeah. You could probably wake a few of those sleepers up and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-781" data-t="781">bring them back to The United States and yeah. I think they're religious people. They call them monks.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-787" data-t="787">Oh, Bitcoin Maxis?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-790">13:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-790" data-t="790">Yeah. No. The the the Japanese people that never come out.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-795">13:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-795" data-t="795">Yeah. They're hakikomoris.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-796">13:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-796" data-t="796">That's what they are. But those are the Bushido. Those are the Bushido Bitcoiners.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-802">13:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-802" data-t="802">They're they're too sucked in on Twitter Samurais. And on Alastair. Yeah. Well, there is a book called the Bushido of Bitcoin. Right?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-809">13:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-809" data-t="809">Oh, we're aware. Hell yeah. Oh, yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-812">13:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-812" data-t="812">Yeah. It's by my favorite,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-815" data-t="815">failed,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-816" data-t="816">Shark Tank,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-818" data-t="818">star.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-820">13:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-820" data-t="820">I forget his name.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-822" data-t="822">How,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-824" data-t="824">how</span> <span class="cue" id="t-825" data-t="825">satisfying is it when you walk into a room? Because you're a pretty tall guy. So anybody that's met Charlie is a tall he's a he's taller than you might have expect. And the the Bushido</span> <span class="cue" id="t-834" data-t="834">samurai warrior of Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-836" data-t="836">Satsuki, who you whom you speak of, is, you know, he's average average height for a Bitcoiner. You know? So four five. Yeah. Yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-845">14:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-845" data-t="845">How satisfying is that when you walk in? Like, you and Coin join Chris. Must, like, fucking tower over him.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-851">14:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-851" data-t="851">I don't want</span> <span class="cue" id="t-853" data-t="853">I wanna be sensitive because, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-856" data-t="856">I'm not gonna lie. There's a number inverse relationship between,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-859" data-t="859">bravado and swaggering on</span> <span class="cue" id="t-862" data-t="862">Elon's x platform and hype. It's an inverse relationship. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-866" data-t="866">I mean, look at Udi.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-868">14:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-868" data-t="868">No. He's I'm just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-870" data-t="870">I'll give him some shit.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-872" data-t="872">You know, like Hoddle Magoo.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-875" data-t="875">I don't even I don't know. I've never met him. So no. I don't think I've met him.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-879" data-t="879">So maybe one of you guys is Hoddle Magoo. I have no idea.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-882">14:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-882" data-t="882">He was at our event in Vegas.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-885">14:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-885" data-t="885">Oh, yeah?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-887" data-t="887">I was gonna be there. I just I was, unfortunately kind of drunk, at a different event, and it was really difficult to get away from the teaming hordes of shit shitcoiners who were coming to ask me for alpha.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-899">14:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-899" data-t="899">Yeah. Hanel Magoo, he, he was one of the wrestlers.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-906" data-t="906">It was pretty cool to see him there.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-908">15:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-908" data-t="908">He came out of a trash can. Yeah. He he was dressed in green.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-912">15:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-912" data-t="912">He he went he came up to me, and he he introduced himself, and he told me not to tell anybody. But I think it's probably safe now.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-919">15:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-919" data-t="919">Well, there's a lot of wrestlers there, and we don't he just know which one we're talking about. Yeah. It could have been any of the wrestlers.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-929">15:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-929" data-t="929">No. I, I I will say I,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-932" data-t="932">as much as I talk shit I mean, I generally this is sarcastic hat off. I genuinely love meeting,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-937" data-t="937">my</span> <span class="cue" id="t-938" data-t="938">my online combatants in person.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-941" data-t="941">I, I do genuinely think that if I can just get a beer with somebody, we I can at least, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-947" data-t="947">you know, chat with them a bit. I actually had a nice conversation with Luke Dash junior about a year ago,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-952">15:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-952" data-t="952">talking about,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-954">15:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-954" data-t="954">non Bitcoin things, if you can believe that. So I think argue about who the right pope was?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-960">16:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-960" data-t="960">Actually, we talked about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-963" data-t="963">it was a oh, it was actually a religious conversation. I was asking him for a refer for, like, recommendations</span> <span class="cue" id="t-969" data-t="969">for parishes I should visit. I'm like, no. I don't like that one that much because they're this yeah. This or that. So,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-975">16:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-975" data-t="975">yeah, that's funny. Oh, hell, yeah. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-977" data-t="977">that is that is a great one. Like, I I have a friend,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-982" data-t="982">and he he's one of those guys who goes to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-985" data-t="985">like, the board. Most like like a pay like, Dunder Mifflin. You go to, like, the paper convention. He's just going around to these different conventions. He's like a consultant type guy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-993" data-t="993">And he goes to all these, like, regional airports, and he's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-997" data-t="997">so he loves talking about regional airports. He's got opinions on, like, the Evansville,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1001">16:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1001" data-t="1001">you know, Illinois regional airport, the Toledo and regional airport. He knows the best restaurants. He he loves to talk about them. Like, our airport offers them. Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1010" data-t="1010">And I feel like that would be</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1013">16:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1013" data-t="1013">that would be like Luke. Luke would be like, he knows all the parishes. He's like, these ones Oh, yeah. These ones are super, like, blasphemers. Stay away from them. Yeah. Yeah. He had, like, an app. He had, like, a database on his phone. He was like, oh, Northeast Oklahoma. He, like, pull it up, and he, like, found it. I was like, oh,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1030" data-t="1030">I'm impressed.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1033" data-t="1033">And yeah. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1034" data-t="1034">that was,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1036" data-t="1036">yeah. I actually got a specific rep. So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1039" data-t="1039">yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. If I if I go there, I'm gonna take a picture. I'm gonna figure out a way to send him a message,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1045">17:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1045" data-t="1045">out around him. He blocked me, so I can't message him direct anymore. But I'll be like, hey. I did it, Luke. I actually went.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1052">17:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1052" data-t="1052">And What did you what what was it that got you blocked by Luke? I I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1058" data-t="1058">I I tease and troll Luke a lot, but he's never blocked me.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1063">17:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1063" data-t="1063">So I've never said anything directly in reply to him, which is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1068" data-t="1068">accusatory. In fact, it's very rare that I go toe to toe in a threat against someone. I think it's just kind of a losing battle, pigs in the mud kind of thing. So I prefer, like, indirect potshots</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1081" data-t="1081">or, like, criticisms outside of tagging people. Maybe it's, like, a pedantic thing. I think it's more strategic.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1088" data-t="1088">Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1090" data-t="1090">I just wanna you know, I'll I do think he he says insane things</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1096" data-t="1096">that I really, really disagree with. And I really, really,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1100">18:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1100" data-t="1100">and more actually, I more dislike the the worship of him.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1105" data-t="1105">So that's actually my bigger issue. So, you know, I will I used to not be as condescending because I kind of enjoyed his, like, you know, his kinda weird, crazy, zany report. But, you know, post filter war, a lot of people who had somehow refrained from blocking me did block me, I think, because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1121" data-t="1121">I've been I did get out and go into the arena and give my opinions on things.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1128" data-t="1128">And so,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1129" data-t="1129">yeah, I didn't come across a neutral on that. Weirdly enough, the JPEGs didn't, like, seem to, like, win get me any true enemies. It was the it was the filter</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1138" data-t="1138">discussion that really broke the camel's back</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1141">19:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1141" data-t="1141">and got me blocked by a lot of people,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1143" data-t="1143">which is unfortunate. But, oh, well, they're lost. They don't they can't get all the hot JPEG alpha anymore.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1151">19:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1151" data-t="1151">I think one thing that is clear at this point is that Luke,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1155" data-t="1155">when he does die, hopefully, he doesn't get murdered,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1158" data-t="1158">but he will be sainted</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1161" data-t="1161">probably by the Catholic short church or his his hard fork one. I don't know which one, but he'll definitely be sainted. But, yeah, I mean, one of the things I really disagree with Luke on,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1172" data-t="1172">which I think is really important. So he, you know, he's got a strong stance against pornography.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1178" data-t="1178">And</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1179">19:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1179" data-t="1179">I understand,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1181" data-t="1181">like, his stance, like, from a religious standpoint and why a lot of people believe that, and I respect it. I respect their belief on it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1188" data-t="1188">But where it gets really problematic is the definition his definition of what pornography is.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1195" data-t="1195">Because he says pornography is anything that is sexually arousing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1200" data-t="1200">So if that's the case,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1202" data-t="1202">then Dennis Porter</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1204">20:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1204" data-t="1204">would have to be banned,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1206" data-t="1206">which would be super problematic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1208" data-t="1208">for McClinton.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1210">20:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1210" data-t="1210">Well, it's like that senator,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1212" data-t="1212">in the nineteen nineties or maybe nineteen seventies when there was a famous,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1217" data-t="1217">debate on the floor of the senate, the American senate on indecency laws.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1222" data-t="1222">And when the senator the conservative very, very conservative religious senator was asked to define pornography, he said, I don't know. I just know it when I see it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1232" data-t="1232">I feel like that's the same way, you know, that we've that's we'd have a modern version of that. And, yeah, if I look at Dennis,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1239" data-t="1239">you know, you just change one letter of his first name, and all of a sudden, it's a flagrant,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1245">20:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1245" data-t="1245">reference.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1249">20:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1249" data-t="1249">Yeah. So we've been following</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1252" data-t="1252">the communist Nazi,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1255" data-t="1255">scuffle or or war, whatever you wanna call it, you know, fairly closely.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1260" data-t="1260">I had to learn what the opera turn was.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1265">21:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1265" data-t="1265">Can you unlearn what the opportune is? So we don't because we so we don't have to talk. I'm just kidding.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1270">21:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1270" data-t="1270">Well, the the I don't really wanna talk about the well, I I guess so it seems like the one.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1277" data-t="1277">It seemed like the communist won, the the Nazis are scattering. It's very, you know, similar where, you know, when the Soviets were rolling through Berlin and and the Nazis were just getting slaughtered,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1289" data-t="1289">and all the leadership escaped to Argentina.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1293" data-t="1293">I feel like that's that's the moment that we're in right now. So Yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1299">21:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1299" data-t="1299">You yeah. The the Nazis tried to invade,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1302" data-t="1302">Russia in the summer, and it was yeah. Everyone knows you just don't do that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1307" data-t="1307">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1311" data-t="1311">both sides suffered just just like World War two.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1315" data-t="1315">A lot of people died on both sides. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1317" data-t="1317">so it's a it's not just a zero sum game. It's a negative sum game. Everybody's worse off for it,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1323">22:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1323" data-t="1323">because as we know, communism always wins.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1326" data-t="1326">You can't contain it, and a policy of con of communism containment will just lead us to another useless war in Vietnam.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1335">22:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1335" data-t="1335">Remember the how are the base losers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1338" data-t="1338">on each side of the debate? Like you said, there was, you know, a lot of losers as well in World War two on each side of the debate. I mean, you've got Grasshead mechanic. I don't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1348" data-t="1348">I think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1350" data-t="1350">he's been a big winner short term.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1353">22:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1353" data-t="1353">I don't know. I mean but long term They there's no way his family got the attention they deserve during that time. The the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1360" data-t="1360">I was just looking at the amount of, like, screed he wrote across every conceivable platform, and there's no way</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1367" data-t="1367">that he was paying you know, being a family man during that time. I think he may have posted during church too sometimes, so, like, that's not okay.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1377">22:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1377" data-t="1377">Does Luke know this?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1379">22:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1379" data-t="1379">I don't think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1380" data-t="1380">I suspect that o that Luke is the only real Catholic at Ocean. And so,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1386" data-t="1386">Interesting. Pretty clear what he thinks about,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1389" data-t="1389">fake Catholics worshiping the Pedo King pope.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1393">23:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1393" data-t="1393">Oh, yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1394" data-t="1394">I think the corniness,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1396" data-t="1396">what we learned is that they need influencers. I mean, Bitcoin treasury companies have influencers.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1402" data-t="1402">Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1403" data-t="1403">core dads need their own influence. It's like Lou got his in mechanic. That's something that Richard Grieser pointed out, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1410" data-t="1410">they need their own or they at least need PR.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1414">23:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1414" data-t="1414">They they're not good enough. They need to explain themselves. They need to be going on podcasts, and they're not doing that. And so it leads to conspiracy theories, and it leads to Justin Bachelor and his conspiracy theories.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1426">23:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1426" data-t="1426">Like, an an example of this is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1428" data-t="1428">an example of this is I don't think any of us realized that Gloria Zhao was hot until very recently.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1436">23:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1436" data-t="1436">When she went on a podcast.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1438">23:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1438" data-t="1438">Yeah. She went on a podcast. Like, she</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1441">24:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1441" data-t="1441">was stunning. Are you sure are you sure So for Jan was immediately on the core side. Yeah. Are you sure she was hot or that she was just next to Shinobi?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1451" data-t="1451">Well, the audience think Shinobi's hot that listen to this podcast.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1457">24:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1457" data-t="1457">I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1458" data-t="1458">yeah, I think we should run with this narrative that that Shinobi is an amplifier</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1462" data-t="1462">for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1463" data-t="1463">women's hotness levels on podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1466" data-t="1466">That'll that'll that'll help him land more hot women on his podcast for sure.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1472" data-t="1472">But</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1473">24:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1473" data-t="1473">Chanobi amplifies hot women. That's for sure. We can say that. Yeah. Yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1478">24:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1478" data-t="1478">Exactly. But, you know, she's generally</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1483">24:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1483" data-t="1483">hot.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1484" data-t="1484">I think if if we could just,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1487" data-t="1487">sexualize core developers, both men and women and everything in between,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1492" data-t="1492">then,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1494" data-t="1494">that's the first step towards healing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1496" data-t="1496">and for core finally regaining,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1499">24:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1499" data-t="1499">like, cultural control. Because as we know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1502" data-t="1502">sex sells.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1503" data-t="1503">Sex merges PRs.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1505">25:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1505" data-t="1505">I'm</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1506" data-t="1506">sorry. Yeah. Sex gets bit numbers. That's It's time to it's time to objectify Ava Chow.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1513">25:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1513" data-t="1513">I'm I'm not a huge fan of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1516" data-t="1516">I'm not you know, when I say a woman's hot, I'm not I'm not trying to sexualize her in any way. I just but, you know, I've I've found her, you know, like, she</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1524" data-t="1524">was good at communicating.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1528" data-t="1528">She</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1529" data-t="1529">was, like, you know, physically</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1531" data-t="1531">represented well.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1533">25:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1533" data-t="1533">She seemed really smart. Like, she knew what she's talking about.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1539" data-t="1539">So, yeah, I mean, like, I I think there's a there's a distinction, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1543" data-t="1543">you know, my opinion is, you know, we shouldn't be sexualizing Cordoz, but I think at the same time, we shouldn't be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1550" data-t="1550">going on the opposite end of the spectrum where we're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1556" data-t="1556">expecting the Kordevs to not have sex and not to be sexual.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1560">26:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1560" data-t="1560">They don't have to wear, yeah, burkas</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1563" data-t="1563">when they go on podcast.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1566">26:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1566" data-t="1566">Yeah. I mean, that's how that's isn't that how PRs get merged? Because you have to have multiple people,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1573" data-t="1573">like, sign on, and that's, like, the currency of the of the core,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1577" data-t="1577">you could say.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1580" data-t="1580">That</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1581">26:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1581" data-t="1581">I don't know if this has ever come up. But do you think in in in such an instance</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1586" data-t="1586">that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1587" data-t="1587">if a husband needed his wife to to sign a a PR to merge it,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1593" data-t="1593">can can the wife</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1594" data-t="1594">say no to her husband, or does she have to to approve the pull request?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1600">26:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1600" data-t="1600">I think it depends</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1603">26:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1603" data-t="1603">on, you know, how Not legally, but what should she do.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1607" data-t="1607">Cashier.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1610">26:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1610" data-t="1610">And my my my views is, my views, one CPU, one vote. And by CPU, I mean person. So everybody gets a vote.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1618" data-t="1618">Yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1620">27:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1620" data-t="1620">Doesn't have to be an an economic build. Your wife doesn't have to have a profitable but she could have actually a nonprofit business. She could be running her own podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1629" data-t="1629">talking about Taylor Swift or girl stuff and costing you money.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1633">27:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1633" data-t="1633">But But, see, that's not even bigger. It's because those podcasts make way more money than all of us. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1640" data-t="1640">you and I, we're all spinning our wheels trying to change the world with super hard techno money, and they're over there,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1647" data-t="1647">you know, singing Taylor Swift songs and printing,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1651" data-t="1651">cash out the wazoo. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1653" data-t="1653">joke's on us.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1657">27:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1657" data-t="1657">That's a good point.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1662" data-t="1662">I forgot what my next question. What's Richard Gill?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1665">27:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1665" data-t="1665">So where</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1667" data-t="1667">where would you rank yourself? Like, if you were to give yourself a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1672" data-t="1672">a military</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1673" data-t="1673">title</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1674" data-t="1674">and ranking</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1675" data-t="1675">in the communist side, where would you have positioned yourself in this recent,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1681">28:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1681" data-t="1681">battle?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1683">28:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1683" data-t="1683">Hired gun. So don't even have a rank. I'm like a,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1689" data-t="1689">like,</span> <span class="cue" data-t="1689">Blackwater</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1690" data-t="1690">contracted out to do the dirty work.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1694" data-t="1694">I go and I do those things that The US can't,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1698" data-t="1698">you know, be on record acknowledging. Like, Jason Bourne, basically.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1702">28:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1702" data-t="1702">Off the record,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1704" data-t="1704">not even you know, no trace of me having</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1708" data-t="1708">fought my way up the ranks.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1710" data-t="1710">Yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1711">28:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1711" data-t="1711">They're non Shane mercenary.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1713">28:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1713" data-t="1713">Yeah. Mercenary gun for hire.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1715">28:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1715" data-t="1715">Like the Wagner group.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1717">28:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1717" data-t="1717">Exactly. Wagner group. Yeah. Look what happened to them. They got fucked, dude. They Putin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1724" data-t="1724">they tried to defect from Putin. So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1727" data-t="1727">yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1730">28:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1730" data-t="1730">I think that was one of the more interesting stories of last year.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1734" data-t="1734">I don't think any of us have any idea what happened with</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1739" data-t="1739">that. Do you see that Yeah. Do you see that as a potential for you at some point to defect from</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1746" data-t="1746">to to have that moment where you you march on Moscow. You you march against Peter Todd.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1755">29:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1755" data-t="1755">I think he would be okay. This analogy breaks down because I don't know anyone who hates Russia more than Peter Todd.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1762" data-t="1762">So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1763" data-t="1763">I think we have to march I mean, Peter Todd, maybe it'd be, like, after having to march on, like, Palestine because he yeah. Because he'd he'd</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1771" data-t="1771">he'd be well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1773" data-t="1773">I'm not sure which side he's he's on, but he's very, very strongly on one side.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1778">29:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1778" data-t="1778">It'd be like marching on Tel Aviv.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1781">29:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1781" data-t="1781">Exact yeah. Exactly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1784" data-t="1784">Oh, man. I'm gonna make too many enemies from this.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1787" data-t="1787">Everything I say is, not my opinion.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1790" data-t="1790">I'm just,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1792">29:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1792" data-t="1792">So I'm curious, Charlie.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1795" data-t="1795">You people, they have their pronouns</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1797" data-t="1797">on their, like, Twitter profile or in their Twitter header. It'll say, you know, father,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1803" data-t="1803">Christian,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1804" data-t="1804">patriot,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1805" data-t="1805">MAGA,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1806">30:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1806" data-t="1806">entrepreneur, you know, whatever.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1808" data-t="1808">Where in your pronoun list, where do you list</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1811" data-t="1811">journalists? Because we're a very proud credentialed journalist. And I'm wondering, is that is, like, for me, journalism's before God. But not not everybody</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1821" data-t="1821">is, you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1822" data-t="1822">know, is is zealous about it. Where where's that in your stack?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1826">30:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1826" data-t="1826">Oh, it's pretty high up there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1828" data-t="1828">It's not the highest. I would say</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1832" data-t="1832">video games are probably highest for me.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1838" data-t="1838">Journalism's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1839" data-t="1839">great, but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1841" data-t="1841">you know,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1842">30:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1842" data-t="1842">I'm on</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1843" data-t="1843">several hundred hours of a satisfactory playthrough,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1846" data-t="1846">and that's way more that's way more gratifying to me than</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1850" data-t="1850">exposing,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1852" data-t="1852">all of the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1853" data-t="1853">the the misanthropy</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1855">30:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1855" data-t="1855">across the Bitcoin ecosystem.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1857" data-t="1857">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1859" data-t="1859">so,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1860" data-t="1860">yeah, I mean, journalism is pretty high. So it probably wouldn't make it into a Twitter bio,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1864" data-t="1864">but I can link, you know, my my company, BlockSpace,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1867" data-t="1867">there, and you can infer</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1869">31:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1869" data-t="1869">that at some level, maybe, you know, on Monday, Wednesdays, and Fridays, I play a journalist,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1874" data-t="1874">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1876" data-t="1876">I do</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1877" data-t="1877">try to break and cover some stories.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1881">31:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1881" data-t="1881">Have you ever beaten Battletoads?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1885">31:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1885" data-t="1885">No. Isn't that that really expensive video game or something that's, like, hard to acquire?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1890">31:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1890" data-t="1890">Or Yes. It's the it it's the premier game on the on the Sega Genesis.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1896">31:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1896" data-t="1896">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1898" data-t="1898">No. I'm not a console gamer, man. I'm a PC gamer, which is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1902" data-t="1902">actually, if I wanted to, like, my those are my pronouns. P c</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1906" data-t="1906">g a m e. Though yeah. So P I'm a PC gamer is kinda like the Bitcoin maximalist</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1912">31:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1912" data-t="1912">of video gamers. Right? It's like the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1914" data-t="1914">you know, you kinda condescend when you hear, you're you play the Nintendo Switch. Alright. Alright, buddy. I'm a PC gamer. Still Leclerc's Is that accurate?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1923">32:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1923" data-t="1923">I like I like I like PC. No. It's like the yeah. Like, if you're a gamer long enough or if you're in crypto long enough, eventually become a Bitcoin maxi because you start hating everything else. And so</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1934" data-t="1934">same same thing with PCs. You know? Your you get old and your hands get all arthritis y, and the only, you know, thing you can do is, like, hold a mouse.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1943" data-t="1943">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1945" data-t="1945">yeah,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1946" data-t="1946">Have you ever seen a a PC gamer, like, Fortnite player go up against a console Fortnite player?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1952" data-t="1952">No. It's not even a contest. PC gamer's dumpster</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1955">32:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1955" data-t="1955">on console gamers. I'm sorry if you guys are console gamers,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1959" data-t="1959">casuals. It's fine.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1961">32:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1961" data-t="1961">I'm a journalist.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1966">32:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1966" data-t="1966">You you you admitted to us. I don't remember if we were we were recording or not, but that you don't listen to forty hours of Bitcoin podcast per week because you don't have time because you're gaming. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1977" data-t="1977">instead</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1978" data-t="1978">of listening to forty hours of Bitcoin podcast per week, like, what are some of the best</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1983" data-t="1983">games maybe over your gaming career that you spent forty hours, you know, per week for extended periods of time playing? Like, what was, like, your experience coming up through the gaming? You're a gaming veteran, Miami. You were you've been the trenches,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1998" data-t="1998">you've battled it out. Yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2000">33:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2000" data-t="2000">Yeah. I mean, that's the whole reason we got Ethereum is because World of Warcraft wouldn't give Vitalik his items outside of game. So World of Warcraft,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2010" data-t="2010">galvanized.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2011" data-t="2011">It's the reason we have shitcoiners,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2014" data-t="2014">really, ultimately.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2016" data-t="2016">And so I did play Wow back in the day. I'm clean now.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2021" data-t="2021">Now I'm just more of a variety gamer, whether it be</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2024">33:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2024" data-t="2024">classics like the Halo series</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2027" data-t="2027">to modern stuff</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2030" data-t="2030">like, Fortnite or Apex. But you can usually catch me playing multiplayer games,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2036" data-t="2036">because I don't have fun unless I can beat someone.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2038" data-t="2038">So you'll find me playing maybe some League of Legends</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2042" data-t="2042">or watching some league</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2044">34:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2044" data-t="2044">or,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2046" data-t="2046">yeah, competitive games, CS GO.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2050">34:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2050" data-t="2050">Do you get that do you enjoy when you can just,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2054" data-t="2054">you can mark some broccoli haircuts at video games?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2058" data-t="2058">But, yeah, when you show up when you show up in the PC world over here, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2062" data-t="2062">done. That big headshot.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2064">34:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2064" data-t="2064">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2065" data-t="2065">I mean, I wish you could see this. I've got, you know, two two forty hertz refresh rate screen.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2070" data-t="2070">I've got side monitors so I can</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2072" data-t="2072">respond to Slack messages while I'm playing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2077" data-t="2077">Yeah. I've, I've got the whole kit, man. I've got a very low latency mouse. This is the same mouse that Shroud uses</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2083" data-t="2083">for those of you who follow broccoli hair Twitch streamers.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2087">34:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2087" data-t="2087">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2088" data-t="2088">yeah, man.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2090" data-t="2090">I'm a gamer.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2092" data-t="2092">I I I should talk about this more on Bitcoin Twitter. I feel like that Bitcoin Twitter is too</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2098" data-t="2098">it's just too, you know, stale of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2101" data-t="2101">a of a conversation. We need</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2103">35:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2103" data-t="2103">different things.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2105" data-t="2105">I will actually take the sarcasm hat off for a second. Shout out to I and say, I actually my most the the things I'm most excited about in Bitcoin are actually Bitcoin gaming projects. This is actually me being totally serious here. I'm actually a huge financial supporter</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2120" data-t="2120">of, like, these different Bitcoin gaming projects.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2123" data-t="2123">Namely,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2124" data-t="2124">there's this Rust server called Orange,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2127" data-t="2127">and they</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2128">35:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2128" data-t="2128">have they, like, run pot so, actually, when I play Orange, I listen to podcasts the whole time because they play podcasts in the game in, like, the main base. So, like, I'm a huge fan. I support them on I, unironically,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2139" data-t="2139">support them on Geyser, talk about them a lot. So they've got there's some cool Minecraft server, like, shout out to SovereignCraft and then some other stuff too.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2148" data-t="2148">Yeah. So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2151" data-t="2151">Yeah. I took a bit of deviation there, but I can't shout out my my gang over at Orange enough. Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2158" data-t="2158">everybody's trying to freaking shoehorn a fucking token into a video game and and some kind of, like, money thing to it, but Orange is like, it's a fun ass game. You don't have to care about Bitcoin, but you can care about it. It's like, that's the perfect thing. So Then you don't have to wear clothes either.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2173" data-t="2173">Yeah. You can be</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2175">36:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2175" data-t="2175">I don't</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2176">36:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2176" data-t="2176">that part. I've been to the Orange Barn naked.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2179" data-t="2179">Yeah. Nice. I've done it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2182" data-t="2182">It's kinda awkward when we ran into tip n z naked in the game.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2187">36:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2187" data-t="2187">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2188" data-t="2188">They're they're,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2189" data-t="2189">the the best power couple in the whole Bitcoin ecosystem.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2193" data-t="2193">Move over, Carla and, and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2197" data-t="2197">whatever his name is. You know, move over,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2200" data-t="2200">Natalie and that other guy.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2204">36:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2204" data-t="2204">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2205" data-t="2205">The the orange gaming couple, they are the best.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2208">36:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2208" data-t="2208">Let me some other, power couples. You got Max and Stacy. You've got,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2214" data-t="2214">Pierre and Morgan. You've got</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2217">36:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2217" data-t="2217">Shinobi and d plus plus.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2220" data-t="2220">Someday.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2224">37:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2224" data-t="2224">Udi and Lauren, Sikerman.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2226">37:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2226" data-t="2226">Aaron and Casey.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2228">37:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2228" data-t="2228">Aaron and Casey.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2234" data-t="2234">Yeah. Yeah. You've</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2235" data-t="2235">you got a lot of good power couples.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2239">37:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2239" data-t="2239">Are you going, Auti?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2241">37:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2241" data-t="2241">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2249" data-t="2249">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2251" data-t="2251">Yeah. I need to I need to get better hair. Power couples. I need we need we should do a power power couple power ranking sometime.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2258">37:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2258" data-t="2258">That would be actually</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2259" data-t="2259">brilliant idea. If you wanna if you wanna do another work on that one with us.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2264">37:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2264" data-t="2264">Power power couple We'll</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2265">37:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2265" data-t="2265">publish it. Block spade we'll block space</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2268" data-t="2268">block space is top 10 power couples.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2271">37:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2271" data-t="2271">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" data-t="2271">Power couple power ranking.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2275">37:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2275" data-t="2275">Who do you think has better hair? You or you you you just, dismissed them as, who's that other guy? Walker America, one of the biggest Bitcoin podcasters.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2284" data-t="2284">Who do you think's got better hair? You or Walker?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2290">38:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2290" data-t="2290">Year ago, he did, but I bleached my hair recently. And so I think it's cooler because I got I'm going for a surfer vibe.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2299">38:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2299" data-t="2299">You have to make your vehicle back.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2302">38:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2302" data-t="2302">Look at this photograph, man.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2304">38:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2304" data-t="2304">Yeah. Yeah. People are like, yeah. You know, I you do like a server, which is cool.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2310" data-t="2310">There's a lot of surfing where where you live, so</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2312">38:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2312" data-t="2312">that's great. You know? Well, you say that, but Oklahoma,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2316" data-t="2316">which I'm public that I'm from Oklahoma, Oklahoma has, this is true, the most shoreline</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2322" data-t="2322">of any state. It's because we have all these man made lakes. They have all these weird nooks and crannies.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2327">38:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2327" data-t="2327">So, yeah, we have the most That's a very Oklahoma thing to brag about. Yeah. For sure.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2332">38:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2332" data-t="2332">It is. Yeah. You wanna reach deep to brag about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2335" data-t="2335">Oklahoma. That's for sure.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2337">38:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2337" data-t="2337">It's a it's it's great for autism. It's like, guess which, guess which state has the most shoreline, and they're like, California.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2344" data-t="2344">Duh. And you're like, actually.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2346">39:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2346" data-t="2346">Actually, actually,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2348" data-t="2348">it's Oklahoma.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2349" data-t="2349">And do you know what our state,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2351" data-t="2351">vegetable is?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2355" data-t="2355">The watermelon.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2357" data-t="2357">It's</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2358">39:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2358" data-t="2358">yeah. So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2360" data-t="2360">in Oklahoma, the watermelon is a vegetable, apparently. We voted it. We literally voted on this shit, like, three or four years ago.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2366" data-t="2366">I don't know. It was probably COVID brain that got them all.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2371">39:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2371" data-t="2371">So, Charlie, I did have, one question I wanted to ask you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2377" data-t="2377">So BlockSpace got into some interesting,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2382" data-t="2382">controversy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2383" data-t="2383">recently.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2385">39:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2385" data-t="2385">Which one?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2386">39:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2386" data-t="2386">Well, the the one that I remember was the, the Swan article.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2390" data-t="2390">So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2392" data-t="2392">I I was just curious if you think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2396" data-t="2396">like, I I'm a full believer in in free speech and people's rights to opinions. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2402" data-t="2402">But in the institution of journalism,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2405" data-t="2405">is there a place</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2406">40:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2406" data-t="2406">for anti swanitism?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2414">40:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2414" data-t="2414">We'll we'll try to take a neutral approach,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2418" data-t="2418">although it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2419" data-t="2419">it's hard to it's hard to deny that, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2423" data-t="2423">when a company is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2426" data-t="2426">has,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2427" data-t="2427">spurious lawsuit personal lawsuits against</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2431">40:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2431" data-t="2431">people who are kinda,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2433" data-t="2433">like, not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2434" data-t="2434">really you know, they're they're lower on the totem pole, and you're trying to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2439" data-t="2439">you're trying to squeeze people for intellectual property that everyone in Bitcoin mining know is pretty bullshit, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2446" data-t="2446">sometimes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2447" data-t="2447">you'll get a little, report of scrutiny on it. So,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2452">40:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2452" data-t="2452">I will say some of my favorite people used to work at Swan.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2458" data-t="2458">There's a lot of my favorite people who used to work at Swan.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2462">41:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2462" data-t="2462">Do you do you think that did you hear that Grok,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2467" data-t="2467">was yesterday, the day before? They didn't shut down because of its anti swanism.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2471" data-t="2471">It was posting it was just reposting stony bits and tweets.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2476" data-t="2476">Reposting new tweets. It's anti swanism to the max. It was like, oh, when you see a Bitcoin podcaster and he's showing this, it's like, you might notice a pattern. It's swan.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2486" data-t="2486">You know, it's like people were they their faucet, they had the shot Grok down. I think it was the right move. I don't think anti swanism</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2493" data-t="2493">is appropriate</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2495">41:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2495" data-t="2495">on, you know, a public platform like this. Not that you can't</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2499">41:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2499" data-t="2499">have your own opinions, but anti swanism is too far. Yeah. I mean, the only pattern I recognize was that Grok was being a little out of pocket yesterday. So</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2510">41:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2510" data-t="2510">I I agree with Rod. I I don't think there's a place for anti swanitism in journalism.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2515" data-t="2515">The the the swans are our greatest allies,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2518" data-t="2518">in my opinion.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2520">41:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2520" data-t="2520">And You know, you can't have you can't have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2525" data-t="2525">you can't have satire without</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2527" data-t="2527">something which is satirical.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2529" data-t="2529">So</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2531">42:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2531" data-t="2531">I mean, you have to you have to give Corey some recognition. Right? Like, he did get demoted recently,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2537" data-t="2537">probably due to some anti swanitism, but he got demoted from being one of the one of Podkomp's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2544" data-t="2544">four horsemen.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2546" data-t="2546">But prior to that, he was, What about the other three horsemen of Podkomp?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2551" data-t="2551">Dennis,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2552" data-t="2552">David,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2555">42:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2555" data-t="2555">Corey McCormack.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2557" data-t="2557">But McCormack got demoted because he quit Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2560" data-t="2560">And Corey got demoted. So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2562" data-t="2562">Jack Mallers and Jack Dorsey</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2564" data-t="2564">have been promoted. So it's now Jack,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2567" data-t="2567">Jack,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2569">42:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2569" data-t="2569">Dennis,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2570" data-t="2570">and David. But they but Dennis is going down the stablecoin route, and now he might have to get demoted.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2576">42:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2576" data-t="2576">But that's a Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Riddle me this.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2580" data-t="2580">Hardcore</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2581" data-t="2581">Nazi</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2582" data-t="2582">anti spam pro stablecoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2584" data-t="2584">Where is that on the d and d alignment chart? Like, that's that's gotta be all twisted here.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2590">43:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2590" data-t="2590">It's like the the old meme or it's like, I think pot should be legal. I think gay marriage should be legal, and I own guns. You know? It's like, sometimes it's there. You keep those curve balls. Yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2600">43:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2600" data-t="2600">Yep.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2601" data-t="2601">I'm a I'm a socially,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2604" data-t="2604">socially</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2605" data-t="2605">liberal,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2607" data-t="2607">no. Physical conservative. Or physically liberal.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2610">43:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2610" data-t="2610">Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2613" data-t="2613">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2615" data-t="2615">Where where do you follow the stablecoin stuff? Is Tether on Tron going global? Is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2622" data-t="2622">we were talking about the Canada might end up on Tether.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2625" data-t="2625">Where what's going on with Tether? You recover in the lawsuits.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2629" data-t="2629">Did you learn anything else? Like, what what is your yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2632">43:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2632" data-t="2632">Mining. Okay. That's what they're big in mining. Mining because because Tether mining may be, like, one of the biggest stories in mining.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2639" data-t="2639">I mean, Paolo was on the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2643" data-t="2643">don't groose my me, bankless podcast yesterday,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2646" data-t="2646">and, he said Tether is on track to be the biggest Bitcoin miner in the world.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2651" data-t="2651">And</span> <span class="cue" data-t="2651">you gotta believe them. They're crypto native. They have infinite money. In they have infinite money</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2658">44:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2658" data-t="2658">and a very lean decision making structure. So and they've got blackmail on everyone in the entire world because they're obviously somehow, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2668" data-t="2668">CIA</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2669" data-t="2669">NSA,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2670" data-t="2670">whatever whatever. They're Peter Thiel related according to Mark.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2674" data-t="2674">So, you know, they can</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2676" data-t="2676">it's the the biggest story in mining. So, like,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2680">44:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2680" data-t="2680">I don't have a lot of, like, scoops for you. That story is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2685" data-t="2685">kind of in stasis. If there's anything, like, new on the particular mining side,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2690" data-t="2690">we'll report it. But I will say, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2693" data-t="2693">as it relates to their Swan lawsuit, they are suing Swan in The UK court,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2698" data-t="2698">which is kind of difficult to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2700" data-t="2700">figure out. You have to submit, like, whole you have to file, like, petitions to get information, which take, like, a thirty to sixty day turnaround time. And That's a real Craig Wright move, isn't it, to sue him in The UK courts? Or is it not related to</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2715">45:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2715" data-t="2715">that at all?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2716">45:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2716" data-t="2716">I actually don't know that. I that's a I actually don't know the details. I'm not lead on this story. I'm kind of just a cheerleader</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2723" data-t="2723">for the other real reporters at you know, for my colleagues.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2728" data-t="2728">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2729" data-t="2729">yeah, I'm I'm actually I actually don't I make a I'm I kinda wear it as a point of pride to be comically unfamiliar</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2737" data-t="2737">with the ways of the world, whether it be, like, conventional legal stuff or, like, traffic stuff, which is why the whole paper Bitcoin thing is kinda mystifying to me because I'm like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2748" data-t="2748">wait a second. You you mean I have to log in to my fucking Charles Schwab in order to buy my favorite</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2754">45:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2754" data-t="2754">Bitcoin things?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2757" data-t="2757">You gotta be kidding me. Yeah. I I just can't, like, open up my,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2762" data-t="2762">aqua wallet</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2763" data-t="2763">and send lightning</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2765" data-t="2765">to somebody or tether</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2767" data-t="2767">and and and buy whatever. I have to, like, actually have a</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2771">46:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2771" data-t="2771">an I r an an IRA</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2773" data-t="2773">or some kind of, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2775" data-t="2775">account. To me, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2777" data-t="2777">I that's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2779" data-t="2779">I I kinda pride myself having, like, not really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2782" data-t="2782">been sued in The UK yet, so I don't really know the inner workings of it.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2788">46:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2788" data-t="2788">Well, this is a real problem which you're describing,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2791" data-t="2791">which I've been tweeting about is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2794" data-t="2794">it it seems like we need to get paper Bitcoin on the blockchain somehow.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2800">46:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2800" data-t="2800">I agree.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2802" data-t="2802">It could be a BRC 20.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2805">46:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2805" data-t="2805">It couldn't be.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2809" data-t="2809">One of the things that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2811" data-t="2811">I love about your website and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2814" data-t="2814">your outlet is you have the best ticker.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2816" data-t="2816">It goes across the top of your website, and it's like got all the Bitcoin it's got all the paper Bitcoin comp well, it had all the paper Bitcoin companies. Well, because it makes us it makes us look legit. It makes us look real. If you have a ticker, if you have marquee,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2828">47:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2828" data-t="2828">you're basically like the stock market. So</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2831">47:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2831" data-t="2831">totally legit. Well, it's it's my my only problem is it's behind. I think it is paper Bitcoin summer, and I think that you should and I'm willing to design it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2840" data-t="2840">A paper Bitcoin summer,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2842" data-t="2842">like like the if you look at the end of the song or whatever, I can show it to you. It's a cool logo. And you put that, like John, he used my logo, but the lights and the neons, and you put all the paper Bitcoin companies scrolling across there,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2855" data-t="2855">biggest hit. They're brought you'll probably triple your your website traffic every day.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2860">47:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2860" data-t="2860">Yeah. I was actually thinking, you know, we were talking about old school Internet. We could get, you know, you could, like, have those little,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2866" data-t="2866">banners that follow your mouse around. Like, you could put on, like, GeoCities,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2870" data-t="2870">Like, the the letters that kinda, like, trail after your mouse. Imagine that. Still have that. Yeah. Yeah. But for, like, paper Bitcoin companies,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2879">47:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2879" data-t="2879">we've You can either have their logo or their podcaster's,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2882">48:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2882" data-t="2882">face. Face. Yeah. We could charge Yeah. Natalie or Joe Burnett. Yeah. Yeah. And you well, you can change the cursor to be Meta Planet's logo. It'd be pretty fucking cool.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2894">48:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2894" data-t="2894">You could probably do that with with AI in in five minutes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2898" data-t="2898">It's a it's a it's a campaign.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2900">48:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2900" data-t="2900">Yeah. That's why they call it cursor.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2913" data-t="2913">Okay. So I have a question for you guys.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2920" data-t="2920">If you weren't Bitcoin podcasters, what would you be?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2929">48:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2929" data-t="2929">I would,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2930" data-t="2930">I would I I would go back to what I was doing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2933" data-t="2933">before I became a Bitcoin podcaster and a journalist, which I kinda conflated or I kinda combined the team. I'm a podcast journalist.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2942" data-t="2942">I was in charge of whenever somebody died or something, I would go and edit their their Wikipedia</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2947" data-t="2947">articles so that all of the like, the whole narrative would be in past tense.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2952" data-t="2952">So I had to just may have you know, they die and then add that they died. So that was what I did. It's a very tedious job. I don't know if it's still available.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2960">49:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2960" data-t="2960">It's a bank list job. Since AI.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2962" data-t="2962">But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2963" data-t="2963">I'd go back to that. It was a living. It was it paid for my cigarettes.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2970">49:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2970" data-t="2970">That's my favorite job.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2972" data-t="2972">You you went sure you went in, like, and maybe another part of it was that you made sure all of the the typed i's and t's had dots and crosses on them so that,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2981">49:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2981" data-t="2981">they didn't, you know, work for Amy wine Amy Winehouse was my last was my last Wikipedia article. I'd had another. It was a depressing one.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2989" data-t="2989">And that's when I I decided to pursue</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2992" data-t="2992">my journalism degree at the University of Phoenix.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2995">49:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2995" data-t="2995">Yeah. Well, you got out before the the I the Epstein,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2999" data-t="2999">one. So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3001" data-t="3001">you know, you missed the worst. Yeah. Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3003" data-t="3003">Yeah. For sure. How about you, Richard? What would you be if you weren't, if you had to step down and denigrate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3009" data-t="3009">yourself to a different profession?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3011">50:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3011" data-t="3011">Well, I think it'd be the same</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3013" data-t="3013">profession. It would just be in a different medium, you know, because at the end of the day, I'm a journalist.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3019" data-t="3019">If I had to step away from journalism,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3024" data-t="3024">I don't know. I'd maybe I'd go work at the Atlas Society or something like that and just smoke cigarettes and read Atlas Shrugged all day.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3032" data-t="3032">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3034" data-t="3034">I would like to, you know, maybe one day, I'd like to</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3038">50:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3038" data-t="3038">form the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3040" data-t="3040">the anti</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3041" data-t="3041">Ellsworth TUI,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3043" data-t="3043">foundation, which essentially foundation just,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3046" data-t="3046">educating people on why they shouldn't be like Mike Brock.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3052">50:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3052" data-t="3052">If people need to be educated about that, I I think they may be beyond hope. Was he,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3058" data-t="3058">was he, like, doing paid promotion behind his own deranged tweets for a while?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3063">51:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3063" data-t="3063">Am I create do I hallucinate this? No. Yeah. No. You would he was yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3068" data-t="3068">He was advertising his his post for his mostly for his Substack,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3073" data-t="3073">his new Substack articles. And I think, like, from,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3078" data-t="3078">Inauguration</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3079" data-t="3079">Day to Valentine's Day, he was documenting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3082" data-t="3082">every impeachable of him and Plediver. They were all there. Every time there was a tweet and it was an impeachable offense, Mike Barrancos was was cataloging it, and he was polishing it so people knew. And he was promoting those,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3094">51:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3094" data-t="3094">and he's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3095" data-t="3095">he he started calling himself a reluctant Cassandra.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3099" data-t="3099">So he he sees himself as the Cassandra,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3103" data-t="3103">prophesizing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3104" data-t="3104">He he is navigating the fourth turning for us.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3108">51:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3108" data-t="3108">And that's the role he's been playing in. Happened by his blood, sweat, and tears. He's turning that grinding gear. The</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3115" data-t="3115">he he thinks of it as the wheels of just described exceedingly slow, but in fact, he's actually turning that fourth turning</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3121" data-t="3121">for us.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3122">52:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3122" data-t="3122">He sees himself</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3123" data-t="3123">he sees himself as the the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3126" data-t="3126">the bastion against the destruction of democracy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3129" data-t="3129">Like, he's he is the man</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3132" data-t="3132">holding an old up on his shoulders.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3137">52:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3137" data-t="3137">What an hero. Oh my gosh. What a guy.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3141">52:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3141" data-t="3141">But he has he does have paid subscribers. So there are there are people out there who</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3147" data-t="3147">they are so confused</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3149" data-t="3149">that they're paying $30</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3150" data-t="3150">a month</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3151" data-t="3151">to let Mike Brock narrate the foreturning for them. And that's that's you don't wanna go through the foreturning like that.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3159">52:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3159" data-t="3159">There's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3160" data-t="3160">yeah. That's that's worse than, yeah, that's worse than being an you know, the seventh level of Dante's inferno.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3168" data-t="3168">Like, that you're held in Mike Brock's mouth there with alongside Judas</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3173" data-t="3173">and Caesar.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3174">52:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3174" data-t="3174">Yeah. Yeah. Not a good algorithm not a good algorithm to be on for sure.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3179">52:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3179" data-t="3179">No.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3182" data-t="3182">Yeah. Oh, man.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3183" data-t="3183">That guy,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3186" data-t="3186">yeah.</span> <span class="cue" data-t="3186">He you know, some some people, you know, you can tell. You can see the insanity</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3192" data-t="3192">brewing and bubbling up and kind of, like, being like,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3196">53:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3196" data-t="3196">you know, heating up in a crucible. Sometimes a little deranged</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3201" data-t="3201">thought will escape. An intrusive thought will make it into the Internet, and you can tell, ah, in one year to one and a half years, this person is gonna break.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3210" data-t="3210">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3211" data-t="3211">and, no, you could see that about a year ago. You could see, like Yeah. Crack beginning to form, and then the full the full clean break happened</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3219" data-t="3219">January 20.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3222">53:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3222" data-t="3222">Late late stage Trump arrangement syndrome. You hate to see it.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3226">53:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3226" data-t="3226">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3227" data-t="3227">Late late onset.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3229">53:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3229" data-t="3229">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3230" data-t="3230">Yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3232">53:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3232" data-t="3232">So, Charlie, have you ever listened to one of our, interview episodes before?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3237">53:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3237" data-t="3237">Yeah. Yeah. I listened to a couple, not on purpose.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3242" data-t="3242">I forget who. I think I did you do Rob? I think I had Rob on. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mainly I was mainly listening to Rob to make sure he wasn't one of you guys.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3251">54:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3251" data-t="3251">That's yeah. That's what we get a lot of. We get a lot of people who listen to the podcast is to make sure it's not him or some you know, there's a few other people. And they're like, alright. I'm out. Yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3261">54:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3261" data-t="3261">A lot of people overestimate Rob. Like, they they look at him. They accuse him of being Podkoff.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3267" data-t="3267">They accuse him of being the most dominant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3271" data-t="3271">shadow organization</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3272" data-t="3272">in Bitcoin content.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3276">54:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3276" data-t="3276">But he's really just an everyman. He's just he's just a tabula he's a tabula rasa upon which</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3282" data-t="3282">every Bitcoiner, like, reflects themselves. So you just you look at him into his shiny bald head, and you just see yourself you just you get yourself reflected back to you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3291" data-t="3291">Well, it would be good to do it. I also listened to the June Seth one. Do you guys do a June Seth interview?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3297" data-t="3297">They did. Yeah. That was a good one. That was a really good one.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3300">55:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3300" data-t="3300">That was fun.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3302" data-t="3302">Yeah. Yeah. Last thing on Rodney Hamilton, it's I just think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3306" data-t="3306">that it would be really fucked up. I mean, his his cofounder is going through so much. If he was not working on the company, if he was shitposting for the bugle for Podcom doing podcasts instead of focus on Ink or Watch, that would be that would be shit. That would be fucked up. He's not doing that.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3323">55:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3323" data-t="3323">Yeah. Unfortunately, he's out there actually building things as one of the five people in the entire Bitcoin ecosystem who can code.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3331" data-t="3331">So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3332" data-t="3332">his his,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3334" data-t="3334">you know, he can't waste his time and efforts on</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3337" data-t="3337">just talking about things. He has to go build things. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3342" data-t="3342">who's gonna buy what he's selling if we don't talk about it, Rob?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3346">55:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3346" data-t="3346">You have to have a top of funnel problem.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3348">55:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3348" data-t="3348">So He doesn't yeah. He doesn't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3351" data-t="3351">he doesn't wanna be a shinobi. That's for sure. Yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3354">55:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Charlie Spears</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3354" data-t="3354">Okay. Let's let's make a deal here then live. Whenever Anchor Watch finally starts making money, they have to sponsor</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3361" data-t="3361">both our podcasts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3363" data-t="3363">We'll split the money right down the middle. We'll align.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3367" data-t="3367">And</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3368">56:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3368" data-t="3368">yeah. So We got we got we we got you to be a household name so you could finally start making money. It's time for you to pay back what you owe.</span></span></p>
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