0:02Richard Greaser Transaction fees are hitting all time lows. Bitcoin is hitting all time highs. It is the summer of paper Bitcoin. Runes and ordinals have nearly been forgotten, yet there are still a handful of people who are refusing to forget that they exist.

0:18Richard Greaser There's one man who refuses to forget about ordinals. For years, he walked amongst the Bitcoin maximalists like a wolf in sheep's clothing, Only to reveal that he was a JPEG shitcoiner. Now he spends his time podcasting about Bitcoin with his new media company, Block Space Media. A partnership with the broccoli haircut,

0:40Richard Greaser without a broccoli haircut, Will Foxley. Here to explain to us what is going on is the man, the myth, the legend, Charlie Spears. How are you doing tonight?

0:51Charlie Spears Oh, I'm fantastic. If if Will gets to be broccoli, then I'm chart and, maybe I'm asparagus. Then my name is Asparagus Fears. There's your, like, dumb

1:02Rod Palmer intro little effort jokes for the episode. Yeah. Charlie, thanks for coming on. The you started this media company called BlockSpace Media, and that is what you intended to take over, the block space. With your ordinals spam, how much how much do you invest in the in the ordinals, taking over the block space?

1:25Rod Palmer And then it all like, how basically, how much was your taproot wizard? I know those have gone way down in value. I'm just wondering what the what the return was.

1:33Charlie Spears I'm prob you know, the tax man's gonna come after me, but, like, I'm up, man. And you know why? It's because I don't really buy these things. I just have fun, and I, like, I I I mint stuff that my friends do, and my friends are all smart and they're brilliant. They figure out how to give me a low cost basis. That's if if you know how shitcoins work, insiders make all the money. I've spent a decade making myself an insider. So, yeah, the it's been great. I've been having a blast extracting from the Bitcoin ecosystem,

2:06Charlie Spears and, I'm finally ready to, now that I've made my bag, go into podcasting and, assert my opinions on the unwilling listeners.

2:16Rod Palmer A tale is old as time.

2:19Richard Greaser It's it's looking at podcasting is gonna be the new way to become an insider again.

2:26Charlie Spears Was it ever not? I mean, podcast, there's there's, like, a there's very much a we're a hierarchical society, and podcasters are at the very top. The builders and the developers are at the bottom. They serve us. Their entire existence is to come up with things for us to shit on.

2:44Rod Palmer Well, yeah. I that is, you know, on Bitcoin Twitter, we romanticize the Bitcoin podcaster. But to be a little more serious, we learned in the past six months or so, especially with the election and and post election, that being a podcaster gets you a seat at the table. And then you've got the vice president, the president,

3:06Rod Palmer the secretary of state, heads of state, RFK junior at your beck and call to be on your podcast. It gets you it's like you're a main man. You now have access to, you know, the other captains. Like, you've got a you've got a pension, so to speak. Not necessarily. But if you had yeah. If you'd set up your podcast

3:27Charlie Spears on on Fountain, you could have a royalties pension. So many possibilities. But that's a But it's a seat at the table. Yeah, Rob. But I've already extracted enough from Bitcoiners. Do I do I need another $200 a month from Fountain? I mean, I've already made my bag. I've I've I've forced them to buy my JPEGs. I'm forcing them to store my JPEGs on their nodes. Like, what more could I possibly want?

3:50Richard Greaser Well, the the next step as a podcaster is to get a advisory role of some sort at a paper Bitcoin company. And then now you get to extract money from the boomers.

4:05Charlie Spears Yeah. That is they are the final exit liquidity. That's why if you noticed, I changed my profile picture on Twitter recently. I've I had a profile picture which I've had for over a decade now, and I updated it for the modern era for paper Bitcoin summer. I had Udi Wertheimer,

4:26Charlie Spears make me a one of one JPEG with me in a suit. And so I put on the suit, and nobody know nobody cared who I was until I put on the suit. And so now, now I'm, I'm I'm in the market. So if you have, like, a Steven Lubecka type position at your company, I would love to, take it.

4:49Rod Palmer You're an aspiring suit coiner. Yeah. You you don't it's dress for the job you want, not the job you have. Yeah. You wanna be the net yeah. I mean, dude, I was talking about this the other day. This is an ambitious one. I don't I don't know if you're interested in it, but somebody's gonna be interested in it. I think the right podcaster could turn grayscale Bitcoin Trust GBTC right around. Now it is an ETF. Now it doesn't have the the premium problem, the, the discount problem. It's not the closed end fund anymore. Now you could turn GBTC

5:23Rod Palmer into the next Fidelity Bitcoin ETF or, like, the next,

5:28Charlie Spears you know, meta play in it. One of those. You gotta go look at the yeah. I mean, Barry Silbert hasn't been on a Bitcoin podcast in a long time. Just think. You know, Barry, if you're listening, I know you're a loyal listener of the show. Imagine what we could do with, a grayscale under DCG, Bitcoin podcast. We could get that premium back up. We could get that MNAV

5:53Charlie Spears at a 150% again. That was that was cool back in the day.

5:57Rod Palmer Barry can stick Barry can stick to doing what he does best, rehypothecation. Yeah. And he let a podcaster do the the the public relations, the front facing. Let let a Bitcoin podcast, somebody like Lubbka, somebody even better,

6:16Rod Palmer Do do the and you just rehypothecate. That's all you gotta do.

6:20Charlie Spears Yeah. If if you could only, like, stake podcasts, so then you could somehow stake your podcast to get yield on it. I I don't know. I'm spitballing. I don't know. I'll leave that. I don't wanna give away my c all my secrets on this show.

6:37Richard Greaser If there's somebody that I would, be confident in that could figure out how to stake podcasts like you're describing, it would be probably be Bit Digital.

6:50Charlie Spears Yeah. I mean, they're, they're making a big move into into Ethereum. It's a quite a quite a trade out of Bitcoin into Ethereum, like it's 2019 all over again. You know? It's the trade of the cycle.

7:07Richard Greaser The the shitcoiners, they always come back to Bitcoin podcast. That's the they're the prodigal children. They'll they'll always come home. They'll they'll they'll realize, they have to come back eventually.

7:22Rod Palmer As as a value extractor professional, you're a credentialed value extractor Yeah. From the ecosystem. What do you worry that Solana is going to steal some of that boomer liquidity

7:36Rod Palmer by basically, we we talk about this on the time of our podcast. The boomers love to just gamble their Social Security away in Vegas. And we saw that when we were in Vegas, you know, just a few months ago. I was I was amazed at how many boomers were there just fucking gambling. Are you worried that Solana meme coin community is gonna steal that liquidity? Are you gonna be able to capture that in paper Bitcoin or in ordinals or some in some way on Bitcoin?

8:02Charlie Spears That is I'm glad you got right to it. That is the the problem that everyone's trying to solve for is how to keep Solana from taking all the boomers' money. And I have bad news for you. There you just it's a permissionless world, and you can't stop them. You can only build a better product. So if we can just figure out how to make Bitcoin's block times a 100,000 times faster and, hire a CEO and make him retarded, then I think we may have a fighting chance. I think you're underestimating

8:33Richard Greaser Predator. He he's

8:35Charlie Spears he's got a potential to stop him. I you you brought his name up first. If I were gonna hire a CEO of Bitcoin, I would hire Platator. You need someone who's kinda got it, but still, like, has giant holes missing from their head. Yeah. I mean, he's he checks all the boxes.

8:53Rod Palmer So I think I don't think the solution to this problem of Solana is why is a technical one. And I want your reaction. I think that we need to inspire the broccoli haircuts because they're the ones building on Solana.

9:10Rod Palmer The broccoli haircut consumers are the rebellious. They're better AI than their boomer parents, and they're annoying millennial and Gen x. Older brothers, they're telling them Bitcoin only. Bitcoin not crypto. Bitcoin only. Blah blah blah. Don't be a scammer. You know, they're they're sticking and they're trolling, and they're better than they're gonna make a lot more money. They're so much better at technology than us. And if we can inspire more at, like, the the virtuous

9:38Rod Palmer broccoli haircuts, like Will Foxley, like Dylan McClure. We used to have Will Clemente. We lost him. He's with the freaking Solana assholes. But I think we just have to win over the broccoli haircuts.

9:50Charlie Spears Yeah. What happened to Will? I thought he was one of us.

9:53Rod Palmer I you know, he was yeah. Raoul Pal did little little scarfs in front of him, and he went right to him. Happened. He went too deep into on chain analytics,

10:02Charlie Spears because that was the hot thing back in, like, 1920 was the on chain boys. Willie Woo. Yeah. Yeah. Willie Woo, Dylan, and, and,

10:13Charlie Spears and Will. And all we got is Dylan still. Willie's kind of ascended into his own category, but Dylan stayed with us, and he's actually he's played the game the best, probably the second best that there ever was, second to Sailor himself. Because Dylan I mean, who was the this time last year, what was the thing? It's like he was making moves. He's gonna be the sailor of Japan, the sailor, if you will. And, so he, yeah, he's gonna be he's already, like,

10:40Charlie Spears on his, third or fourth, like, major extraction event. You gotta hand it to him. Kids got it.

10:48Rod Palmer Do you do you think that Klederer is, like, is worried that Dylan might make a play for Nintendo? Like, if Dylan would declare because Manifliet announced the other day that that they're gonna let their accretion of their Bitcoin, the on their balance sheet grow, and then they're gonna go out and they're gonna find productive companies that they can

11:08Rod Palmer acquire so they can build their empire. Do you think Nintendo is in their crosshairs? And if Bill and McClary gets control over distribution, the Nintendo Switch, Pleder's permissionless access to video games is in jeopardy.

11:23Rod Palmer And do you think he's worried about that?

11:26Charlie Spears Yeah. I the it is it's an existential threat. I mean, if you think about it, like, Dylan is in Japan, which is the which is we're downstream culturally of Japan. Japan makes all of Predator's favorite movies. I mean, think of what happens. We'll never get an Akira sequel if, like, if Dylan gets his mighty hands in there and he starts owning all the anime. I mean, he's we're will be relegated to only, like, you know, we'll only be able to play, like, Death Stranding one through 10 because Dylan will force us to play Hideo Kojima games the rest of our lives. Like, he's gonna it is, it's the worst form of colonialism,

12:05Charlie Spears and Dylan's going to, he's going to extract all that he can, all the cultural and monetary extraction meta planet. It will be a dry husk of a hotel company by the time he's done with it.

12:18Rod Palmer Yeah. Exactly. Predator wanted to go colonize and and take all the Japanese girls for his girlfriends himself. And and Dylan's going in and stealing all that hot anime girls online think Dylan is hot and not Predator now. And it's just it's crushing them. Yeah. It's tough. That's a tough one.

12:38Charlie Spears Yeah. I mean, it's the the window's not closing. If Planitar were to go now to Japan and were to make his bid, he could probably he'll probably get a few numbers. Maybe he could wake up a few. What do they call those people who get, like, who live inside and never go outside again in Japan? There's, like, shut ins. Oh, yeah. You could probably wake a few of those sleepers up and, bring them back to The United States and yeah. I think they're religious people. They call them monks. Oh, Bitcoin Maxis?

13:10Richard Greaser Yeah. No. The the the Japanese people that never come out.

13:15Charlie Spears Yeah. They're hakikomoris.

13:16Rod Palmer That's what they are. But those are the Bushido. Those are the Bushido Bitcoiners.

13:22Richard Greaser They're they're too sucked in on Twitter Samurais. And on Alastair. Yeah. Well, there is a book called the Bushido of Bitcoin. Right?

13:29Rod Palmer Oh, we're aware. Hell yeah. Oh, yeah.

13:32Charlie Spears Yeah. It's by my favorite, failed, Shark Tank, star.

13:40Rod Palmer I forget his name. How, how satisfying is it when you walk into a room? Because you're a pretty tall guy. So anybody that's met Charlie is a tall he's a he's taller than you might have expect. And the the Bushido samurai warrior of Bitcoin, Satsuki, who you whom you speak of, is, you know, he's average average height for a Bitcoiner. You know? So four five. Yeah. Yeah.

14:05Rod Palmer How satisfying is that when you walk in? Like, you and Coin join Chris. Must, like, fucking tower over him.

14:11Charlie Spears I don't want I wanna be sensitive because, you know, I'm not gonna lie. There's a number inverse relationship between, bravado and swaggering on Elon's x platform and hype. It's an inverse relationship. But, I mean, look at Udi.

14:28Charlie Spears No. He's I'm just I'll give him some shit. You know, like Hoddle Magoo. I don't even I don't know. I've never met him. So no. I don't think I've met him. So maybe one of you guys is Hoddle Magoo. I have no idea.

14:42Richard Greaser He was at our event in Vegas.

14:45Charlie Spears Oh, yeah? I was gonna be there. I just I was, unfortunately kind of drunk, at a different event, and it was really difficult to get away from the teaming hordes of shit shitcoiners who were coming to ask me for alpha.

14:59Richard Greaser Yeah. Hanel Magoo, he, he was one of the wrestlers. It was pretty cool to see him there.

15:08Rod Palmer He came out of a trash can. Yeah. He he was dressed in green.

15:12Richard Greaser He he went he came up to me, and he he introduced himself, and he told me not to tell anybody. But I think it's probably safe now.

15:19Rod Palmer Well, there's a lot of wrestlers there, and we don't he just know which one we're talking about. Yeah. It could have been any of the wrestlers.

15:29Charlie Spears No. I, I I will say I, as much as I talk shit I mean, I generally this is sarcastic hat off. I genuinely love meeting, my my online combatants in person. I, I do genuinely think that if I can just get a beer with somebody, we I can at least, like, you know, chat with them a bit. I actually had a nice conversation with Luke Dash junior about a year ago,

15:52Charlie Spears talking about,

15:54Rod Palmer non Bitcoin things, if you can believe that. So I think argue about who the right pope was?

16:00Charlie Spears Actually, we talked about it was a oh, it was actually a religious conversation. I was asking him for a refer for, like, recommendations for parishes I should visit. I'm like, no. I don't like that one that much because they're this yeah. This or that. So,

16:15Rod Palmer yeah, that's funny. Oh, hell, yeah. So that is that is a great one. Like, I I have a friend, and he he's one of those guys who goes to, like, the board. Most like like a pay like, Dunder Mifflin. You go to, like, the paper convention. He's just going around to these different conventions. He's like a consultant type guy. And he goes to all these, like, regional airports, and he's, so he loves talking about regional airports. He's got opinions on, like, the Evansville,

16:41Rod Palmer you know, Illinois regional airport, the Toledo and regional airport. He knows the best restaurants. He he loves to talk about them. Like, our airport offers them. Yeah. And I feel like that would be

16:53Charlie Spears that would be like Luke. Luke would be like, he knows all the parishes. He's like, these ones Oh, yeah. These ones are super, like, blasphemers. Stay away from them. Yeah. Yeah. He had, like, an app. He had, like, a database on his phone. He was like, oh, Northeast Oklahoma. He, like, pull it up, and he, like, found it. I was like, oh, I'm impressed. And yeah. So that was, yeah. I actually got a specific rep. So, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. If I if I go there, I'm gonna take a picture. I'm gonna figure out a way to send him a message,

17:25Charlie Spears out around him. He blocked me, so I can't message him direct anymore. But I'll be like, hey. I did it, Luke. I actually went.

17:32Rod Palmer And What did you what what was it that got you blocked by Luke? I I I I tease and troll Luke a lot, but he's never blocked me.

17:43Charlie Spears So I've never said anything directly in reply to him, which is, accusatory. In fact, it's very rare that I go toe to toe in a threat against someone. I think it's just kind of a losing battle, pigs in the mud kind of thing. So I prefer, like, indirect potshots or, like, criticisms outside of tagging people. Maybe it's, like, a pedantic thing. I think it's more strategic. Like, I just wanna you know, I'll I do think he he says insane things that I really, really disagree with. And I really, really,

18:20Charlie Spears and more actually, I more dislike the the worship of him. So that's actually my bigger issue. So, you know, I will I used to not be as condescending because I kind of enjoyed his, like, you know, his kinda weird, crazy, zany report. But, you know, post filter war, a lot of people who had somehow refrained from blocking me did block me, I think, because I've been I did get out and go into the arena and give my opinions on things. And so, yeah, I didn't come across a neutral on that. Weirdly enough, the JPEGs didn't, like, seem to, like, win get me any true enemies. It was the it was the filter discussion that really broke the camel's back

19:01Charlie Spears and got me blocked by a lot of people, which is unfortunate. But, oh, well, they're lost. They don't they can't get all the hot JPEG alpha anymore.

19:11Richard Greaser I think one thing that is clear at this point is that Luke, when he does die, hopefully, he doesn't get murdered, but he will be sainted probably by the Catholic short church or his his hard fork one. I don't know which one, but he'll definitely be sainted. But, yeah, I mean, one of the things I really disagree with Luke on, which I think is really important. So he, you know, he's got a strong stance against pornography. And

19:39Richard Greaser I understand, like, his stance, like, from a religious standpoint and why a lot of people believe that, and I respect it. I respect their belief on it. But where it gets really problematic is the definition his definition of what pornography is. Because he says pornography is anything that is sexually arousing. So if that's the case, then Dennis Porter

20:04Richard Greaser would have to be banned, which would be super problematic for McClinton.

20:10Charlie Spears Well, it's like that senator, in the nineteen nineties or maybe nineteen seventies when there was a famous, debate on the floor of the senate, the American senate on indecency laws. And when the senator the conservative very, very conservative religious senator was asked to define pornography, he said, I don't know. I just know it when I see it. I feel like that's the same way, you know, that we've that's we'd have a modern version of that. And, yeah, if I look at Dennis, you know, you just change one letter of his first name, and all of a sudden, it's a flagrant,

20:45Charlie Spears reference.

20:49Richard Greaser Yeah. So we've been following the communist Nazi, scuffle or or war, whatever you wanna call it, you know, fairly closely. I had to learn what the opera turn was.

21:05Charlie Spears Can you unlearn what the opportune is? So we don't because we so we don't have to talk. I'm just kidding.

21:10Richard Greaser Well, the the I don't really wanna talk about the well, I I guess so it seems like the one. It seemed like the communist won, the the Nazis are scattering. It's very, you know, similar where, you know, when the Soviets were rolling through Berlin and and the Nazis were just getting slaughtered, and all the leadership escaped to Argentina. I feel like that's that's the moment that we're in right now. So Yeah.

21:39Charlie Spears You yeah. The the Nazis tried to invade, Russia in the summer, and it was yeah. Everyone knows you just don't do that. And, both sides suffered just just like World War two. A lot of people died on both sides. And, so it's a it's not just a zero sum game. It's a negative sum game. Everybody's worse off for it,

22:03Charlie Spears because as we know, communism always wins. You can't contain it, and a policy of con of communism containment will just lead us to another useless war in Vietnam.

22:15Rod Palmer Remember the how are the base losers on each side of the debate? Like you said, there was, you know, a lot of losers as well in World War two on each side of the debate. I mean, you've got Grasshead mechanic. I don't I think that he's been a big winner short term.

22:33Charlie Spears I don't know. I mean but long term They there's no way his family got the attention they deserve during that time. The the, I was just looking at the amount of, like, screed he wrote across every conceivable platform, and there's no way that he was paying you know, being a family man during that time. I think he may have posted during church too sometimes, so, like, that's not okay.

22:57Rod Palmer Does Luke know this?

22:59Charlie Spears I don't think I suspect that o that Luke is the only real Catholic at Ocean. And so, Interesting. Pretty clear what he thinks about, fake Catholics worshiping the Pedo King pope.

23:13Rod Palmer Oh, yeah. I think the corniness, what we learned is that they need influencers. I mean, Bitcoin treasury companies have influencers. Bitcoin core dads need their own influence. It's like Lou got his in mechanic. That's something that Richard Grieser pointed out, but they need their own or they at least need PR.

23:34Rod Palmer They they're not good enough. They need to explain themselves. They need to be going on podcasts, and they're not doing that. And so it leads to conspiracy theories, and it leads to Justin Bachelor and his conspiracy theories.

23:46Richard Greaser Like, an an example of this is an example of this is I don't think any of us realized that Gloria Zhao was hot until very recently.

23:56Charlie Spears When she went on a podcast.

23:58Richard Greaser Yeah. She went on a podcast. Like, she

24:01Rod Palmer was stunning. Are you sure are you sure So for Jan was immediately on the core side. Yeah. Are you sure she was hot or that she was just next to Shinobi? Well, the audience think Shinobi's hot that listen to this podcast.

24:17Richard Greaser I mean, yeah, I think we should run with this narrative that that Shinobi is an amplifier for women's hotness levels on podcast. That'll that'll that'll help him land more hot women on his podcast for sure. But

24:33Rod Palmer Chanobi amplifies hot women. That's for sure. We can say that. Yeah. Yeah.

24:38Richard Greaser Exactly. But, you know, she's generally

24:43Charlie Spears hot. I think if if we could just, sexualize core developers, both men and women and everything in between, then, that's the first step towards healing and for core finally regaining,

24:59Charlie Spears like, cultural control. Because as we know, sex sells. Sex merges PRs.

25:05Rod Palmer I'm sorry. Yeah. Sex gets bit numbers. That's It's time to it's time to objectify Ava Chow.

25:13Richard Greaser I'm I'm not a huge fan of, I'm not you know, when I say a woman's hot, I'm not I'm not trying to sexualize her in any way. I just but, you know, I've I've found her, you know, like, she was good at communicating. She was, like, you know, physically represented well.

25:33Richard Greaser She seemed really smart. Like, she knew what she's talking about. So, yeah, I mean, like, I I think there's a there's a distinction, like, you know, my opinion is, you know, we shouldn't be sexualizing Cordoz, but I think at the same time, we shouldn't be going on the opposite end of the spectrum where we're expecting the Kordevs to not have sex and not to be sexual.

26:00Rod Palmer They don't have to wear, yeah, burkas when they go on podcast.

26:06Charlie Spears Yeah. I mean, that's how that's isn't that how PRs get merged? Because you have to have multiple people, like, sign on, and that's, like, the currency of the of the core, you could say. That

26:21Rod Palmer I don't know if this has ever come up. But do you think in in in such an instance that if a husband needed his wife to to sign a a PR to merge it, can can the wife say no to her husband, or does she have to to approve the pull request?

26:40Charlie Spears I think it depends

26:43Rod Palmer on, you know, how Not legally, but what should she do. Cashier.

26:50Charlie Spears And my my my views is, my views, one CPU, one vote. And by CPU, I mean person. So everybody gets a vote. Yeah.

27:00Rod Palmer Doesn't have to be an an economic build. Your wife doesn't have to have a profitable but she could have actually a nonprofit business. She could be running her own podcast, talking about Taylor Swift or girl stuff and costing you money.

27:13Charlie Spears But But, see, that's not even bigger. It's because those podcasts make way more money than all of us. I mean, you and I, we're all spinning our wheels trying to change the world with super hard techno money, and they're over there, you know, singing Taylor Swift songs and printing, cash out the wazoo. So joke's on us.

27:37Rod Palmer That's a good point. I forgot what my next question. What's Richard Gill?

27:45Richard Greaser So where where would you rank yourself? Like, if you were to give yourself a a military title and ranking in the communist side, where would you have positioned yourself in this recent,

28:01Richard Greaser battle?

28:03Charlie Spears Hired gun. So don't even have a rank. I'm like a, like, Blackwater contracted out to do the dirty work. I go and I do those things that The US can't, you know, be on record acknowledging. Like, Jason Bourne, basically.

28:22Charlie Spears Off the record, not even you know, no trace of me having fought my way up the ranks. Yeah.

28:31Rod Palmer They're non Shane mercenary.

28:33Charlie Spears Yeah. Mercenary gun for hire.

28:35Richard Greaser Like the Wagner group.

28:37Charlie Spears Exactly. Wagner group. Yeah. Look what happened to them. They got fucked, dude. They Putin, they tried to defect from Putin. So, yeah.

28:50Richard Greaser I think that was one of the more interesting stories of last year. I don't think any of us have any idea what happened with that. Do you see that Yeah. Do you see that as a potential for you at some point to defect from to to have that moment where you you march on Moscow. You you march against Peter Todd.

29:15Charlie Spears I think he would be okay. This analogy breaks down because I don't know anyone who hates Russia more than Peter Todd. So, I think we have to march I mean, Peter Todd, maybe it'd be, like, after having to march on, like, Palestine because he yeah. Because he'd he'd he'd be well, I'm not sure which side he's he's on, but he's very, very strongly on one side.

29:38Richard Greaser It'd be like marching on Tel Aviv.

29:41Charlie Spears Exact yeah. Exactly. Oh, man. I'm gonna make too many enemies from this. Everything I say is, not my opinion. I'm just,

29:52Rod Palmer So I'm curious, Charlie. You people, they have their pronouns on their, like, Twitter profile or in their Twitter header. It'll say, you know, father, Christian, patriot, MAGA,

30:06Rod Palmer entrepreneur, you know, whatever. Where in your pronoun list, where do you list journalists? Because we're a very proud credentialed journalist. And I'm wondering, is that is, like, for me, journalism's before God. But not not everybody is, you know, is is zealous about it. Where where's that in your stack?

30:26Charlie Spears Oh, it's pretty high up there. It's not the highest. I would say video games are probably highest for me. Journalism's great, but, you know,

30:42Charlie Spears I'm on several hundred hours of a satisfactory playthrough, and that's way more that's way more gratifying to me than exposing, all of the the the misanthropy

30:55Charlie Spears across the Bitcoin ecosystem. And, so, yeah, I mean, journalism is pretty high. So it probably wouldn't make it into a Twitter bio, but I can link, you know, my my company, BlockSpace, there, and you can infer

31:09Charlie Spears that at some level, maybe, you know, on Monday, Wednesdays, and Fridays, I play a journalist, and, I do try to break and cover some stories.

31:21Richard Greaser Have you ever beaten Battletoads?

31:25Charlie Spears No. Isn't that that really expensive video game or something that's, like, hard to acquire?

31:30Richard Greaser Or Yes. It's the it it's the premier game on the on the Sega Genesis.

31:36Charlie Spears Yeah. No. I'm not a console gamer, man. I'm a PC gamer, which is actually, if I wanted to, like, my those are my pronouns. P c g a m e. Though yeah. So P I'm a PC gamer is kinda like the Bitcoin maximalist

31:52Rod Palmer of video gamers. Right? It's like the you know, you kinda condescend when you hear, you're you play the Nintendo Switch. Alright. Alright, buddy. I'm a PC gamer. Still Leclerc's Is that accurate?

32:03Charlie Spears I like I like I like PC. No. It's like the yeah. Like, if you're a gamer long enough or if you're in crypto long enough, eventually become a Bitcoin maxi because you start hating everything else. And so same same thing with PCs. You know? Your you get old and your hands get all arthritis y, and the only, you know, thing you can do is, like, hold a mouse. And, yeah, Have you ever seen a a PC gamer, like, Fortnite player go up against a console Fortnite player? No. It's not even a contest. PC gamer's dumpster

32:35Charlie Spears on console gamers. I'm sorry if you guys are console gamers, casuals. It's fine.

32:41Richard Greaser I'm a journalist.

32:46Rod Palmer You you you admitted to us. I don't remember if we were we were recording or not, but that you don't listen to forty hours of Bitcoin podcast per week because you don't have time because you're gaming. So instead of listening to forty hours of Bitcoin podcast per week, like, what are some of the best games maybe over your gaming career that you spent forty hours, you know, per week for extended periods of time playing? Like, what was, like, your experience coming up through the gaming? You're a gaming veteran, Miami. You were you've been the trenches, you've battled it out. Yeah.

33:20Charlie Spears Yeah. I mean, that's the whole reason we got Ethereum is because World of Warcraft wouldn't give Vitalik his items outside of game. So World of Warcraft, galvanized. It's the reason we have shitcoiners, really, ultimately. And so I did play Wow back in the day. I'm clean now. Now I'm just more of a variety gamer, whether it be

33:44Charlie Spears classics like the Halo series to modern stuff like, Fortnite or Apex. But you can usually catch me playing multiplayer games, because I don't have fun unless I can beat someone. So you'll find me playing maybe some League of Legends or watching some league

34:04Charlie Spears or, yeah, competitive games, CS GO.

34:10Rod Palmer Do you get that do you enjoy when you can just, you can mark some broccoli haircuts at video games? But, yeah, when you show up when you show up in the PC world over here, like, done. That big headshot.

34:24Charlie Spears Yeah. I mean, I wish you could see this. I've got, you know, two two forty hertz refresh rate screen. I've got side monitors so I can respond to Slack messages while I'm playing. Yeah. I've, I've got the whole kit, man. I've got a very low latency mouse. This is the same mouse that Shroud uses for those of you who follow broccoli hair Twitch streamers.

34:47Charlie Spears And, yeah, man. I'm a gamer. I I I should talk about this more on Bitcoin Twitter. I feel like that Bitcoin Twitter is too it's just too, you know, stale of a of a conversation. We need

35:03Charlie Spears different things. I will actually take the sarcasm hat off for a second. Shout out to I and say, I actually my most the the things I'm most excited about in Bitcoin are actually Bitcoin gaming projects. This is actually me being totally serious here. I'm actually a huge financial supporter of, like, these different Bitcoin gaming projects. Namely, there's this Rust server called Orange, and they

35:28Charlie Spears have they, like, run pot so, actually, when I play Orange, I listen to podcasts the whole time because they play podcasts in the game in, like, the main base. So, like, I'm a huge fan. I support them on I, unironically, support them on Geyser, talk about them a lot. So they've got there's some cool Minecraft server, like, shout out to SovereignCraft and then some other stuff too. Yeah. So, Yeah. I took a bit of deviation there, but I can't shout out my my gang over at Orange enough. Like, everybody's trying to freaking shoehorn a fucking token into a video game and and some kind of, like, money thing to it, but Orange is like, it's a fun ass game. You don't have to care about Bitcoin, but you can care about it. It's like, that's the perfect thing. So Then you don't have to wear clothes either. Yeah. You can be

36:15Charlie Spears I don't

36:16Richard Greaser that part. I've been to the Orange Barn naked. Yeah. Nice. I've done it. It's kinda awkward when we ran into tip n z naked in the game.

36:27Charlie Spears Yeah. They're they're, the the best power couple in the whole Bitcoin ecosystem. Move over, Carla and, and, whatever his name is. You know, move over, Natalie and that other guy.

36:44Charlie Spears Yeah. The the orange gaming couple, they are the best.

36:48Richard Greaser Let me some other, power couples. You got Max and Stacy. You've got, Pierre and Morgan. You've got

36:57Rod Palmer Shinobi and d plus plus. Someday.

37:04Charlie Spears Udi and Lauren, Sikerman.

37:06Rod Palmer Aaron and Casey.

37:08Charlie Spears Aaron and Casey. Yeah. Yeah. You've you got a lot of good power couples.

37:19Rod Palmer Are you going, Auti?

37:21Charlie Spears Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I need to I need to get better hair. Power couples. I need we need we should do a power power couple power ranking sometime.

37:38Rod Palmer That would be actually brilliant idea. If you wanna if you wanna do another work on that one with us.

37:44Richard Greaser Power power couple We'll

37:45Rod Palmer publish it. Block spade we'll block space block space is top 10 power couples.

37:51Charlie Spears Yeah. Power couple power ranking.

37:55Rod Palmer Who do you think has better hair? You or you you you just, dismissed them as, who's that other guy? Walker America, one of the biggest Bitcoin podcasters. Who do you think's got better hair? You or Walker?

38:10Charlie Spears Year ago, he did, but I bleached my hair recently. And so I think it's cooler because I got I'm going for a surfer vibe.

38:19Richard Greaser You have to make your vehicle back.

38:22Charlie Spears Look at this photograph, man.

38:24Rod Palmer Yeah. Yeah. People are like, yeah. You know, I you do like a server, which is cool. There's a lot of surfing where where you live, so

38:32Charlie Spears that's great. You know? Well, you say that, but Oklahoma, which I'm public that I'm from Oklahoma, Oklahoma has, this is true, the most shoreline of any state. It's because we have all these man made lakes. They have all these weird nooks and crannies.

38:47Rod Palmer So, yeah, we have the most That's a very Oklahoma thing to brag about. Yeah. For sure.

38:52Richard Greaser It is. Yeah. You wanna reach deep to brag about Oklahoma. That's for sure.

38:57Rod Palmer It's a it's it's great for autism. It's like, guess which, guess which state has the most shoreline, and they're like, California. Duh. And you're like, actually.

39:06Charlie Spears Actually, actually, it's Oklahoma. And do you know what our state, vegetable is? The watermelon. It's

39:18Charlie Spears yeah. So, in Oklahoma, the watermelon is a vegetable, apparently. We voted it. We literally voted on this shit, like, three or four years ago. I don't know. It was probably COVID brain that got them all.

39:31Richard Greaser So, Charlie, I did have, one question I wanted to ask you. So BlockSpace got into some interesting, controversy recently.

39:45Charlie Spears Which one?

39:46Richard Greaser Well, the the one that I remember was the, the Swan article. So I I was just curious if you think like, I I'm a full believer in in free speech and people's rights to opinions. Right? But in the institution of journalism, is there a place

40:06Richard Greaser for anti swanitism?

40:14Charlie Spears We'll we'll try to take a neutral approach, although it's it's hard to it's hard to deny that, you know, when a company is has, spurious lawsuit personal lawsuits against

40:31Charlie Spears people who are kinda, like, not really you know, they're they're lower on the totem pole, and you're trying to you're trying to squeeze people for intellectual property that everyone in Bitcoin mining know is pretty bullshit, you know, sometimes you'll get a little, report of scrutiny on it. So,

40:52Charlie Spears I will say some of my favorite people used to work at Swan. There's a lot of my favorite people who used to work at Swan.

41:02Rod Palmer Do you do you think that did you hear that Grok, was yesterday, the day before? They didn't shut down because of its anti swanism. It was posting it was just reposting stony bits and tweets. Reposting new tweets. It's anti swanism to the max. It was like, oh, when you see a Bitcoin podcaster and he's showing this, it's like, you might notice a pattern. It's swan. You know, it's like people were they their faucet, they had the shot Grok down. I think it was the right move. I don't think anti swanism is appropriate

41:35Rod Palmer on, you know, a public platform like this. Not that you can't

41:39Charlie Spears have your own opinions, but anti swanism is too far. Yeah. I mean, the only pattern I recognize was that Grok was being a little out of pocket yesterday. So

41:50Richard Greaser I I agree with Rod. I I don't think there's a place for anti swanitism in journalism. The the the swans are our greatest allies, in my opinion.

41:60Charlie Spears And You know, you can't have you can't have you can't have satire without something which is satirical. So

42:11Richard Greaser I mean, you have to you have to give Corey some recognition. Right? Like, he did get demoted recently, probably due to some anti swanitism, but he got demoted from being one of the one of Podkomp's four horsemen. But prior to that, he was, What about the other three horsemen of Podkomp? Dennis, David,

42:35Rod Palmer Corey McCormack. But McCormack got demoted because he quit Bitcoin. And Corey got demoted. So, Jack Mallers and Jack Dorsey have been promoted. So it's now Jack, Jack,

42:49Rod Palmer Dennis, and David. But they but Dennis is going down the stablecoin route, and now he might have to get demoted.

42:56Charlie Spears But that's a Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Riddle me this. Hardcore Nazi anti spam pro stablecoin. Where is that on the d and d alignment chart? Like, that's that's gotta be all twisted here.

43:10Rod Palmer It's like the the old meme or it's like, I think pot should be legal. I think gay marriage should be legal, and I own guns. You know? It's like, sometimes it's there. You keep those curve balls. Yeah.

43:20Charlie Spears Yep. I'm a I'm a socially, socially liberal, no. Physical conservative. Or physically liberal.

43:30Rod Palmer Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Where where do you follow the stablecoin stuff? Is Tether on Tron going global? Is, we were talking about the Canada might end up on Tether. Where what's going on with Tether? You recover in the lawsuits. Did you learn anything else? Like, what what is your yeah.

43:52Charlie Spears Mining. Okay. That's what they're big in mining. Mining because because Tether mining may be, like, one of the biggest stories in mining. I mean, Paolo was on the, don't groose my me, bankless podcast yesterday, and, he said Tether is on track to be the biggest Bitcoin miner in the world. And you gotta believe them. They're crypto native. They have infinite money. In they have infinite money

44:18Charlie Spears and a very lean decision making structure. So and they've got blackmail on everyone in the entire world because they're obviously somehow, you know, CIA NSA, whatever whatever. They're Peter Thiel related according to Mark. So, you know, they can it's the the biggest story in mining. So, like,

44:40Charlie Spears I don't have a lot of, like, scoops for you. That story is, kind of in stasis. If there's anything, like, new on the particular mining side, we'll report it. But I will say, like, as it relates to their Swan lawsuit, they are suing Swan in The UK court, which is kind of difficult to figure out. You have to submit, like, whole you have to file, like, petitions to get information, which take, like, a thirty to sixty day turnaround time. And That's a real Craig Wright move, isn't it, to sue him in The UK courts? Or is it not related to

45:15Rod Palmer that at all?

45:16Charlie Spears I actually don't know that. I that's a I actually don't know the details. I'm not lead on this story. I'm kind of just a cheerleader for the other real reporters at you know, for my colleagues. And, yeah, I'm I'm actually I actually don't I make a I'm I kinda wear it as a point of pride to be comically unfamiliar with the ways of the world, whether it be, like, conventional legal stuff or, like, traffic stuff, which is why the whole paper Bitcoin thing is kinda mystifying to me because I'm like, wait a second. You you mean I have to log in to my fucking Charles Schwab in order to buy my favorite

45:54Charlie Spears Bitcoin things? You gotta be kidding me. Yeah. I I just can't, like, open up my, aqua wallet and send lightning to somebody or tether and and and buy whatever. I have to, like, actually have a

46:11Charlie Spears an I r an an IRA or some kind of, like, account. To me, you know, I that's I I kinda pride myself having, like, not really been sued in The UK yet, so I don't really know the inner workings of it.

46:28Richard Greaser Well, this is a real problem which you're describing, which I've been tweeting about is it it seems like we need to get paper Bitcoin on the blockchain somehow.

46:40Charlie Spears I agree. It could be a BRC 20.

46:45Rod Palmer It couldn't be. One of the things that I love about your website and, your outlet is you have the best ticker. It goes across the top of your website, and it's like got all the Bitcoin it's got all the paper Bitcoin comp well, it had all the paper Bitcoin companies. Well, because it makes us it makes us look legit. It makes us look real. If you have a ticker, if you have marquee,

47:08Charlie Spears you're basically like the stock market. So

47:11Rod Palmer totally legit. Well, it's it's my my only problem is it's behind. I think it is paper Bitcoin summer, and I think that you should and I'm willing to design it. A paper Bitcoin summer, like like the if you look at the end of the song or whatever, I can show it to you. It's a cool logo. And you put that, like John, he used my logo, but the lights and the neons, and you put all the paper Bitcoin companies scrolling across there, biggest hit. They're brought you'll probably triple your your website traffic every day.

47:40Charlie Spears Yeah. I was actually thinking, you know, we were talking about old school Internet. We could get, you know, you could, like, have those little, banners that follow your mouse around. Like, you could put on, like, GeoCities, Like, the the letters that kinda, like, trail after your mouse. Imagine that. Still have that. Yeah. Yeah. But for, like, paper Bitcoin companies,

47:59Rod Palmer we've You can either have their logo or their podcaster's,

48:02Charlie Spears face. Face. Yeah. We could charge Yeah. Natalie or Joe Burnett. Yeah. Yeah. And you well, you can change the cursor to be Meta Planet's logo. It'd be pretty fucking cool.

48:14Rod Palmer You could probably do that with with AI in in five minutes. It's a it's a it's a campaign.

48:20Charlie Spears Yeah. That's why they call it cursor. Okay. So I have a question for you guys. If you weren't Bitcoin podcasters, what would you be?

48:49Rod Palmer I would, I would I I would go back to what I was doing before I became a Bitcoin podcaster and a journalist, which I kinda conflated or I kinda combined the team. I'm a podcast journalist. I was in charge of whenever somebody died or something, I would go and edit their their Wikipedia articles so that all of the like, the whole narrative would be in past tense. So I had to just may have you know, they die and then add that they died. So that was what I did. It's a very tedious job. I don't know if it's still available.

49:20Rod Palmer It's a bank list job. Since AI. But, I'd go back to that. It was a living. It was it paid for my cigarettes.

49:30Charlie Spears That's my favorite job. You you went sure you went in, like, and maybe another part of it was that you made sure all of the the typed i's and t's had dots and crosses on them so that,

49:41Rod Palmer they didn't, you know, work for Amy wine Amy Winehouse was my last was my last Wikipedia article. I'd had another. It was a depressing one. And that's when I I decided to pursue my journalism degree at the University of Phoenix.

49:55Charlie Spears Yeah. Well, you got out before the the I the Epstein, one. So, you know, you missed the worst. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. How about you, Richard? What would you be if you weren't, if you had to step down and denigrate yourself to a different profession?

50:11Richard Greaser Well, I think it'd be the same profession. It would just be in a different medium, you know, because at the end of the day, I'm a journalist. If I had to step away from journalism, I don't know. I'd maybe I'd go work at the Atlas Society or something like that and just smoke cigarettes and read Atlas Shrugged all day. Yeah. I would like to, you know, maybe one day, I'd like to

50:38Richard Greaser form the, the anti Ellsworth TUI, foundation, which essentially foundation just, educating people on why they shouldn't be like Mike Brock.

50:52Charlie Spears If people need to be educated about that, I I think they may be beyond hope. Was he, was he, like, doing paid promotion behind his own deranged tweets for a while?

51:03Rod Palmer Am I create do I hallucinate this? No. Yeah. No. You would he was yeah. He was advertising his his post for his mostly for his Substack, his new Substack articles. And I think, like, from, Inauguration Day to Valentine's Day, he was documenting every impeachable of him and Plediver. They were all there. Every time there was a tweet and it was an impeachable offense, Mike Barrancos was was cataloging it, and he was polishing it so people knew. And he was promoting those,

51:34Rod Palmer and he's he he started calling himself a reluctant Cassandra. So he he sees himself as the Cassandra, prophesizing. He he is navigating the fourth turning for us.

51:48Charlie Spears And that's the role he's been playing in. Happened by his blood, sweat, and tears. He's turning that grinding gear. The he he thinks of it as the wheels of just described exceedingly slow, but in fact, he's actually turning that fourth turning for us.

52:02Richard Greaser He sees himself he sees himself as the the the bastion against the destruction of democracy. Like, he's he is the man holding an old up on his shoulders.

52:17Charlie Spears What an hero. Oh my gosh. What a guy.

52:21Rod Palmer But he has he does have paid subscribers. So there are there are people out there who they are so confused that they're paying $30 a month to let Mike Brock narrate the foreturning for them. And that's that's you don't wanna go through the foreturning like that.

52:39Charlie Spears There's yeah. That's that's worse than, yeah, that's worse than being an you know, the seventh level of Dante's inferno. Like, that you're held in Mike Brock's mouth there with alongside Judas and Caesar.

52:54Rod Palmer Yeah. Yeah. Not a good algorithm not a good algorithm to be on for sure.

52:59Charlie Spears No. Yeah. Oh, man. That guy, yeah. He you know, some some people, you know, you can tell. You can see the insanity brewing and bubbling up and kind of, like, being like,

53:16Charlie Spears you know, heating up in a crucible. Sometimes a little deranged thought will escape. An intrusive thought will make it into the Internet, and you can tell, ah, in one year to one and a half years, this person is gonna break. And, and, no, you could see that about a year ago. You could see, like Yeah. Crack beginning to form, and then the full the full clean break happened January 20.

53:42Rod Palmer Late late stage Trump arrangement syndrome. You hate to see it.

53:46Charlie Spears Yeah. Late late onset.

53:49Rod Palmer Yeah. Yeah.

53:52Richard Greaser So, Charlie, have you ever listened to one of our, interview episodes before?

53:57Charlie Spears Yeah. Yeah. I listened to a couple, not on purpose. I forget who. I think I did you do Rob? I think I had Rob on. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mainly I was mainly listening to Rob to make sure he wasn't one of you guys.

54:11Rod Palmer That's yeah. That's what we get a lot of. We get a lot of people who listen to the podcast is to make sure it's not him or some you know, there's a few other people. And they're like, alright. I'm out. Yeah.

54:21Richard Greaser A lot of people overestimate Rob. Like, they they look at him. They accuse him of being Podkoff. They accuse him of being the most dominant shadow organization in Bitcoin content.

54:36Charlie Spears But he's really just an everyman. He's just he's just a tabula he's a tabula rasa upon which every Bitcoiner, like, reflects themselves. So you just you look at him into his shiny bald head, and you just see yourself you just you get yourself reflected back to you. Well, it would be good to do it. I also listened to the June Seth one. Do you guys do a June Seth interview? They did. Yeah. That was a good one. That was a really good one.

55:00Rod Palmer That was fun. Yeah. Yeah. Last thing on Rodney Hamilton, it's I just think that it would be really fucked up. I mean, his his cofounder is going through so much. If he was not working on the company, if he was shitposting for the bugle for Podcom doing podcasts instead of focus on Ink or Watch, that would be that would be shit. That would be fucked up. He's not doing that.

55:23Charlie Spears Yeah. Unfortunately, he's out there actually building things as one of the five people in the entire Bitcoin ecosystem who can code. So, his his, you know, he can't waste his time and efforts on just talking about things. He has to go build things. But, who's gonna buy what he's selling if we don't talk about it, Rob?

55:46Charlie Spears You have to have a top of funnel problem.

55:48Richard Greaser So He doesn't yeah. He doesn't he doesn't wanna be a shinobi. That's for sure. Yeah.

55:54Charlie Spears Okay. Let's let's make a deal here then live. Whenever Anchor Watch finally starts making money, they have to sponsor both our podcasts. We'll split the money right down the middle. We'll align. And

56:08Rod Palmer yeah. So We got we got we we got you to be a household name so you could finally start making money. It's time for you to pay back what you owe.

56:18Charlie Spears Exactly. Rising tide lifts all boats and therefore raises the anchors, so you no longer lead to need to watch the anchors with Anchor Watch, the best custodian in crypto.

56:28Richard Greaser You would have to boost our podcast. That's how the sponsors work. But, yeah, we could put a good word put in a good word for you guys for sure. I I probably would I would go and, I would approach Rob. I'd be like, hey. You should sponsor BlockSpace. They're really cool. They were the other guys that's spamming Vegas, the other media company that was there.

56:51Charlie Spears Yeah.

56:55Richard Greaser Yeah. So one of the things that, we do to wrap up every one of our episodes, we get we got through a ritual. So always ask, did you listen to the last episode? It sounds like you met you didn't get a chance to listen to the last one with, Evan Kalupis of, Zeus Wallet.

57:14Charlie Spears I did not know, unfortunately.

57:17Richard Greaser Yeah. That was a good one. It was a fun one. But we we always read the fountain boost of the previous week with our, with our guest. But before we get into that, I have an important question, which is, are you Jewish?

57:37Charlie Spears No. I'm not. I don't I don't have an alignment. I kinda wish I were, though. They seem pretty happy, honestly. So yeah.

57:49Richard Greaser Yeah. What what what do you most why do you wish that you were Jewish?

57:56Charlie Spears I think they get more holidays than Christians. So just from the get go, like, we get one day for maybe two days for Christmas. They get freaking seven, eight, probably more. They move around longer, which is,

58:15Charlie Spears you know, better. And, they have more money. So, like, you know, honestly, I don't see why everybody's not in line to

58:27Rod Palmer like Bitcoin Max, but it's like it's like it's the it's the Bitcoin dominance. It's Jewish dominance. Like, it's the Yeah. It's the main chain. You know? It is. Yeah.

58:36Charlie Spears It's yeah. It's we're the fork. You know? We're we're the Right. They're actually they're the original version of Bitcoin according to the white paper if we never change from the white paper. You know, Christianity is, is, it's really we're like it's like three of our clockwork down. Yeah. Yeah. Christianity segued.

58:60Charlie Spears We had a schism. We had a schism. Does that change from the beat beat cash?

59:05Rod Palmer Scientology is Taproot. So

59:09Charlie Spears it Mormon Mormonism is Taproot.

59:14Richard Greaser I don't know. Yeah. Mormon is yeah. That's a good comparison. So, seen as we're all descendants of Adam and Eve Yeah. Seeing as we are. Were Adam and Eve Jewish?

59:36Charlie Spears I mean, obviously.

59:42Rod Palmer So somebody in the garden was?

59:44Charlie Spears Well, actually, if they were naked, then Adam's head was uncovered. So I guess by the strict rule of the law letter of the law, you might say, he was not.

59:55Richard Greaser I need to I need to go and read my Bible, but I don't think when when Adam ate the the apple, his first action was to put a yarmulke on. But Did I say that? I didn't say that. Let's let's assume that Adam and Eve were were Jewish.

1:00:13Charlie Spears Okay. Let's assume. Okay. Yeah.

1:00:17Richard Greaser Doesn't that essentially mean that we're also all Jewish? When when when did the the difference happen where people became Jewish and non Jewish?

1:00:35Charlie Spears I don't know. Luke definitely knows, though. He's probably written We need to get Luke on here. Yeah. I won't He knew Luke because Luke can only ask, quest like, difficult to answer related questions.

1:00:53Rod Palmer Yeah. If I got to talk to Luke, I don't think he'd talk out of asking many questions about Bitcoin at all. You won't get any good answers. You just get yes, no, liar. I I wanna know his opinion on Yeah. Women's pregnancies, like, how to handle pride. Like, he he wants to argue with with pregnant moms about Yeah. About their periods and their and when they can have kids. Again, it's hilarious.

1:01:15Richard Greaser I'm pretty sure most of the time he's arguing with infertile white women, though.

1:01:21Charlie Spears The yeah. Those you're punching down when you do that. Yeah.

1:01:28Rod Palmer Don't flash down, Luke.

1:01:29Charlie Spears I do love Luke's, like, replies because he will be in the middle of some bullshit loop, like, Luke, like, loop about filters, and then he'll immediately hop over. It's like hardcore TradCat Twitter and, like, immediately switch code switch. I've I've never seen somebody code switch as much as that. Like, in the you it and their the replies were such rapidity that, like, you can tell he's having these thoughts simultaneously.

1:01:57Rod Palmer It's amazing. He's he is fighting a two front war. He is fighting for Bitcoin and for Catholicism. He's gotta jump back and forth. He's he's got the same type of enemies on each side.

1:02:07Charlie Spears Yeah. And he's surrounded by enemies.

1:02:09Richard Greaser And this is why the Nazis lost in World War two. They tried to fight a two front rule war. I think Luke's gotta pick one or the other. He's either gonna fight the crusade for Bitcoin or he's gonna fight the, crusade for Catholicism.

1:02:23Charlie Spears Yeah. The crusades, they only they only won one direction, which was east. And, I mean, they had about a fifty fifty win rate.

1:02:35Richard Greaser Totally. Well, thanks for going through that, with me real quick.

1:02:41Charlie Spears Yeah.

1:02:42Richard Greaser So, yeah, the last the last week, we were talking about with Evan Kalupis, we're talking about UX and the great UX of Zeus wallet with their cool graphics. He have you ever used a Bitcoin wallet that has this cool graphics as Zeus wallet?

1:02:60Charlie Spears No. I, no. Zeus is definitely top. If it doesn't look, like, Roman architecture, then I don't want it.

1:03:13Charlie Spears If it doesn't look like classic Greco Roman, it doesn't look like Rome's absolute absolutely peaking in designing mobile apps, then I don't wanna use it. Don't give me this bubbly, you know, monochromatic stuff. Give me colors. Give me hard angles. Give me math and science and beautiful, Roman aqueducts, and make me a lightning wallet. So shout out Evan. I love the I love the Zeus guys. Actually, Zeus is the wallet I rec the lightning wall I recommend most people these days.

1:03:44Richard Greaser Is it be primarily because of the graphics or why?

1:03:50Charlie Spears Well, obviously, the graphics, but also Sparrow was kicked out. They left The US. Those pussies. They so but they came back. So I'm warming back up to Sparrow again. Phoenix? Yes. Stop stop in in framing your app after birds. Okay?

1:04:06Rod Palmer Yeah. Yeah.

1:04:09Charlie Spears Stop with the birds. Yeah. Give me give me different animals. Badgers taken. You could you could probably use some kinda horse or you can't do any bear themed stuff. Yeah. Give me give me a bull wallet.

1:04:22Rod Palmer The French always they yeah. It was Phoenix. The French always surrender. They they always they they even pass a law. They just like, we don't have enough regulatory clarity. We're we're we're getting out of here. And now they're trying to come back. Evan stayed through it all. He didn't give a fuck.

1:04:36Charlie Spears Yeah. Didn't the French sell us, like, the Louisiana purchase? They sold it to us for, like, $2,000,000.

1:04:45Rod Palmer So Pleditor would call that a rug bull. He would say that that was you say say you're dumping, you know, taking advantage of somebody.

1:04:55Charlie Spears I think it Hey. Say what you say what you will about Plenator, but I don't think anyone listens to more Bitcoin podcasts than he does. He listens he I'm pretty certain he is Bitcoin season two's most loyal listener. If I ever say anything dumb, which is all the time, granted, but if I say anything dumb, he he never misses it. He he doesn't he watches every single second of of of that podcast. He's gonna watch every second of this one, and he's gonna clip it. He's gonna come up with some, you know, like, bitter, statement about it. But I got I'm not gonna lie. Podder is actually, unironically, one of my top 10 favorite Twitter accounts because,

1:05:36Charlie Spears in the D and D alignment chart, he's, like, true neutral. He just he wakes up, flips a coin of something to be mad at, and sometimes it's great. Sometimes his stakes are killer. Sometimes they're fucking retarded. And I like that. It's the duality of of man. He's a true neutral Bitcoin character and, predator. I would love to have we'd love to have you on our podcast. So

1:05:60Charlie Spears if you do podcasts, we accept voice changers. This is a voice changer friendly podcast. Bitcoin season two, I need, you know, I can't be talking to deep voiced men. I get a little too intimidated. So, you'll have to, you know, maybe docs the voice docs for me. So, yeah, shout out Pleasure.

1:06:21Richard Greaser I'm just excited that the idea of Predator finally listened to our podcast.

1:06:26Charlie Spears Oh, you know he does. He he listens to he's he's, an all seeing eye. He he doesn't miss anything.

1:06:34Rod Palmer I'm amazed what they do. That's why the North Pole is going with Pallater over Palantir for his naughty or nice list. Pallater sees everything. Better to get you they're used to Pallater's fucking database. Yeah. Hell yeah. His dossiers. You keep receipts for everything.

1:06:49Charlie Spears Yep. Palantir, Santa, planetor. Planetor sees he's he's more powerful than all of them. You know, he sees all.

1:06:58Rod Palmer Hell, yeah. Before we do the boost, I that's one of the questions I forgot to ask. Bitcoin season two. It's the name of a podcast. But what is what is Bitcoin season two? It's kind of a meme. It's not just a podcast. What does that mean?

1:07:12Charlie Spears So it's a name I own because it's salacious every you know, it's good. I think I wasn't the first person to use the term, but I was one of the first people to really lean into it. And it's actually pretty simple. As you guys know, the podcast landscape got very stale. It's the same 10 people. The circle jerk got smaller and smaller and smaller till it was, like, maybe a dozen people.

1:07:37Charlie Spears So I wanna bring more people and create my own little circle jerk of new faces and, new topics. Frankly, I want to talk about, I'm I'm not afraid to, like, actually have, like, attempts to have very technical conversations with heterodox opinions.

1:07:54Charlie Spears And I'm I I'm not and I actually kind of enjoy talking about, things, like, that happen outside of Bitcoin, because I think they affect Bitcoin a lot. And I think the fact that Bitcoin podcasts have had just a very narrow thing like, list of things you can talk about, and you can't talk about shitcoins. And yet now Bitcoin

1:08:15Charlie Spears is some days predominantly a shitcoin chain is crazy to me that we can't that, like, you don't understand the mechanics of this. And so you can you can try to reject these and look upon these users of your chain and be, dismissive, or you can try to engage them and have some fun because is it really that bad? So big on season two is about having

1:08:40Charlie Spears new people, serious conversations, joking conversations. And, one of my goals is to often be someone's this is gonna sound very onenistic.

1:08:52Charlie Spears I wanna be sometimes I wanna, like, be the first podcast that someone comes on, and before they, like, start doing more. And I've been able to do that with a handful of folks just because I wanna, I don't know. I just like to seek out fresh faces and fresh opinions. We can't have like, Robert Breedlove got boring years ago, and, he used to be fun to listen to, but now he's boring as hell.

1:09:19Charlie Spears And,

1:09:20Rod Palmer Sailor's Theory is a classic.

1:09:23Charlie Spears Yeah. That was probably, like yeah. That may have been, like, peak Breedlove and just been downhill since then.

1:09:32Rod Palmer Yeah. It's, you know, he's his influencer journey is is one to behold. I think it's good. It's gonna make for a great documentary. But, yeah, I get what you're saying. So

1:09:44Rod Palmer you're trying to freshen it up. And, you know, I think one thing both of our podcasts have in common is we we're not gonna let the shitcoiners make us grumpy. Sometimes you bring up you say the word crypto or you talk about, like, Solana meme coins, and the the people on the podcast, they just they're it's like your grandpa when he's hearing about immigrants at Thanksgiving. So get that. You can't have a conversation with grandpa without blaming the immigrants or something. Who's like, grandpa, you know, I'm gonna find you some cheap labor. Okay? Like, he would be like,

1:10:17Charlie Spears I know them because they're my friends. And, it's similar kind of thing. Like, you can maybe ideologically oppose them. I think it makes a lot of sense. But, I don't think it makes sense if you're gonna try to, like, analyze and engage with the Bitcoin ecosystem, which now is a much it looks different than what you would think it looks like based if you only list upon if you only list on listen to, like, twenty twenty one peak podcasting. So, like, it's a podcast for the modern era. The Renaissance man,

1:10:47Charlie Spears that's the podcast he listens to.

1:10:55Richard Greaser Oh, yeah.

1:10:60Rod Palmer It's alright. So what we do now is we basically just read the boost and react to them. So, we talked about we talked to Evan about, honestly, a million things. Richard, do you remember any of the main topics? But talked about paper Bitcoin, and we talked about it you know, the crazy lightning user experience. And,

1:11:24Rod Palmer so that's kind of the context for the for the boost. The first one is from our friend fundamentals. Now fundamentals has a new book that just came out, and you can buy that. It is, Bitcoin for institutions. The

1:11:42Rod Palmer the link for where you can get that using the Zeece wallet will be in the show notes. Neither of the neither of those are advertisements. Those are just our friends, and they work together to to sell his book. So go check those out. Maybe it's just 21,000 sats, probably, so I would remember

1:12:03Rod Palmer to play his book because we're buddies. So thank you, Fundamentals.

1:12:09Richard Greaser I've got it in my hands here. I'm excited to read it. So, essentially, Fundamentals wrote this book about how to teach institutions on how to paper Bitcoin responsibly. I think it's a very important book.

1:12:28Charlie Spears Thanks for the boost, Ronald. Zaps. The the the the guys whose app, you are the lifeblood of of indie podcasts.

1:12:41Richard Greaser Would you consider Citadel Dispatch an indie podcast?

1:12:49Charlie Spears I don't know. How many? Oh, yeah. Kinda. I would say it's in I mean, it's Indian that it's independent, which is, that's that's the where the nomenclature gets its from its its name from. So it's user supported.

1:13:08Charlie Spears So I think that's big. Yeah. I would say it's an indie podcast. Indie doesn't have to mean small.

1:13:15Richard Greaser I mean, when I when I think of the the term indie, I imagine woman with dreadlocks, like, white woman with dreadlocks who doesn't believe in shaving her armpits.

1:13:28Charlie Spears Do you know? You can you can imagine that. It doesn't I I think like a red blooded American of the Indy five hundred. So, you know, just just where where my mind is. The the, Miller high life drinking, stock car racing. So

1:13:51Richard Greaser yeah. Or do you or do you do you think about the the woman that goes to the Indy five hundred not to watch the race, but to go into the snake pit that has dreadlocks and doesn't believe in shaving her armpits?

1:14:05Charlie Spears Maybe we're yeah. We're we're all we're just two blind men feeling different parts of the elephant. Yeah, man. We're talking about the same thing.

1:14:14Rod Palmer Miss Algonaut is an elephant. That's for sure. And that's what you're describing.

1:14:19Richard Greaser Haven't heard from her for a while. Next boost is from open mic 7777¢. Says bugle mile high club zap. Airplane emoji, lightning emoji, airplane emoji. There there's, like, this trend that we see in Charlie where people like to listen to bugle while on, airplanes.

1:14:51Charlie Spears Any suspicion why?

1:14:55Richard Greaser I think it's just cool to to zap or to boost podcast from 30,000 feet in the air. You know what I mean?

1:15:03Charlie Spears Yeah. Maybe maybe they can't legally listen well unless they're in international waters. I don't know. I'm just speculating.

1:15:13Richard Greaser I think, yeah, being in a non KYC location makes us a lot of the podcast.

1:15:19Charlie Spears Yeah. You have to be a non KYC. That's what it is.

1:15:23Richard Greaser Like, you're not you're not worried about the state. You're worried about Somali pirates.

1:15:29Charlie Spears Right? Ex exactly. Yeah.

1:15:32Richard Greaser Brings a whole new level to this to listen to the show. That's for sure. Yeah. You're not a true fan unless you're zapping us

1:15:40Charlie Spears from your nation state, oil platform in the middle of the North, North Sea where you're building your little colony and you're stateless. So, you know, that's what a true Bitcoiner does.

1:15:56Rod Palmer Hell, yeah. The, the next boost is from Shadrach. He's our buddy. Now Shadrach, speaking of zapping from anywhere, this guy's you know, he's he could be anywhere in the world. It wouldn't be surprising if he zapped us from the literal Hanoi Hilton at one point. But Shadrach is the man. He boosts us 3,993 stats. Evan is such a great rest. High signal. Great show. Forty hours per week. Thank you, Shadrach.

1:16:27Charlie Spears Zapping us from Nebuchadnezzar's oven, if you want an obscure biblical reference.

1:16:33Richard Greaser Hell, yeah. Yeah. You watch you watch VeggieTales growing up. That's why you know that reference. Yeah. I, yeah, I watched a lot of VeggieTales.

1:16:41Charlie Spears I can go toe to toe with Luke. That's actually I'm a you know, I cut my teeth debating Luke on old school Bitcoin hacker Mastodon,

1:16:50Richard Greaser under an alias. So But All Yeah. There's three types of podcast listeners that we have on this show. There's those that have read the bible or the the Torah. I don't even know if the story is in the Torah.

1:17:04Charlie Spears The same thing. Yeah.

1:17:06Richard Greaser All are a little bit different. But, there's people that read the bible. They know about that story. There's people that grew up watching Veggie Tales and know about that story. They they understand the Shadrach reference. And then there's people that have done neither, and they have no idea who the Shadrach, character is or where the name comes from. It's easy to profile people that way. I just looking at you, you don't look like a bible guy. You look like a VeggieTales guy to me.

1:17:40Rod Palmer I think in Oklahoma, there's a lot of both.

1:17:42Charlie Spears Yeah. It's the there's really no we don't distinguish between the two. They're not they're the same person. I mean, from yeah. Another another fun fact about Oklahoma.

1:17:56Richard Greaser Yeah. Shadrach's a cool dude. I've been chatting with him a bunch. One thing I wanted to say about Open Mic first before we move on, If you know any musicians, Charlie, there's this platform that Open Mic runs called, Tunester, which lets musicians it it's like Twitch for musicians Bitcoin Twitch for musicians, essentially, where they can live stream their What's it called? Toonster.

1:18:23Charlie Spears Toonster.

1:18:28Rod Palmer Yeah. The it's like, how do you spell it, Richard? Because it's not just,

1:18:32Charlie Spears it's like Monster with toonster. Out a vowel. Toonster.io.

1:18:38Richard Greaser Found it. Cool. Yeah. It's a cool platform. It's just like a good way for musicians to earn more income. You got a bunch of orange cells on Noister. They're just excited to cheer on musicians on there, so it's pretty cool.

1:18:52Charlie Spears Cool. I'm checking it out now. You'll catch, you'll catch me, streaming on it soon.

1:18:58Richard Greaser I'll I'll I'll I'll DJ on here some night. Do you do you ever stream on Zapdot stream?

1:19:07Charlie Spears Yeah. When I had more free time back in the day, I would, like, stream video games. I'd multi stream to Zap, Twitch, personal YouTube.

1:19:18Richard Greaser Yeah. Let me know the next time you do that. I'd be interested.

1:19:23Charlie Spears Yeah. I tried I've shown a Zap in a while. But

1:19:27Richard Greaser I stream to Zap pretty regularly. I haven't played any video games, though, other than the one time I went to Orange Mart. That was a pretty good time. Yeah.

1:19:38Charlie Spears My, my wife and some my local Bitcoin meetup, some of us, like, played on the Orange Mart one weekend, like, a month ago. It was really, really fun. Got a whole base going, got a whole thing going. It was pretty fun. So so tell me what it

1:19:52Richard Greaser about you being a DJ. So you DJ, so you've got, like, that contra that electrical contraption with the fake discs that you spin in circles, and you click play on a playlist.

1:20:06Charlie Spears Yeah. I actually, this is I don't like I don't publicize this as much, but I'm a

1:20:16Charlie Spears I, I am like a signed musician. I have a an indie rock band with my cousin and a record deal, and it's a very successful, indie side project indie rock side project. And so, I I I do some music production.

1:20:36Charlie Spears But, for fun, I'll DJ sometimes. Just, you know, random parties. And I think I told, like, some Bitcoin people that, like, yeah. Sure. I'll, like, DJ a party, and then so now I get, like, called to do it, and it's the best thing ever.

1:20:53Richard Greaser What's your band called? I've never heard of this. It's called it's called

1:20:59Charlie Spears more and more, all all caps, all one word, more ampersand more. So you can go check that out on Spotify.

1:21:16Richard Greaser Oh, yeah. I didn't know this about you. I'm genuinely

1:21:19Rod Palmer it's very cool. Can you Yeah. Deepgram said on Wave Lake too?

1:21:24Charlie Spears I posted some of our the the more and more was a band before this, and and so I posted some of that band's music on Wave Lake. But then I can't because I we can't legally distribute our stuff on many platforms with outside of the Capital Music Group. So

1:21:43Rod Palmer yeah. Yeah.

1:21:44Richard Greaser That's what your school, though. That's what your label is, Capital Music Group?

1:21:49Charlie Spears No. No. That's the that's the count that's our that's our licensing counterparty. Anyway

1:22:00Charlie Spears yeah. I actually wonder how can I search stuff on Wavely?

1:22:04Rod Palmer Come on here. So you would they're they're with with Toonster, you don't need a a a counterparty and whatever he's talked about there. So there you go.

1:22:15Charlie Spears The

1:22:17Rod Palmer next one is from paper, Bitcoin Summer. That's Dave, Dave from New Zealand. He's our boy. 2121 stats. Top three interviews, LOLs. Maybe noncustodial lighting, UXs, about the cool graphics and all the failed payments made along the way. Exactly.

1:22:35Rod Palmer The lighting doesn't work. You need a beautiful concierge. That's the beautifully aesthetically pleasing, a good experience while you're in the app because you're gonna be there retrying your payments over and over.

1:22:46Richard Greaser And that's and that's just the way it is. Hard money should be hard to use. Hard money should be hard to use. Hell, yeah. That that that that's my favorite part about Zeus is when you have a failed Lightning transaction, the graphics are great. I feel like this is something a lot of the other lightning walls have not figured out.

1:23:05Charlie Spears Yeah. It's dark patterns. You actually, at some level, you kinda want it to fail so that you could just see the fun graphic.

1:23:14Richard Greaser Is that what you're I'm looking at your Spotify, now, and, I'm pretty impressed. You you got some, songs with over a million streams.

1:23:28Charlie Spears Yeah. You know, I wish I I wish that could have happened a decade ago when I was, like, down to try to make it as a musician, but I'm in my thirties, and I have my cousin and I have jobs and, life commitments.

1:23:50Charlie Spears So can't exactly try to go make it.

1:23:55Rod Palmer But That's why we need Bitcoin to 10 x from here so we can start focusing on our podcast and on our bands.

1:24:02Charlie Spears Yeah. Communist's dream of the, you know, post capitalist world where they get to go and, you know, make, you know, sculptures out of feces on the ranch, and nobody actually has to go and mine the copper in the in the mines. And it's the same thing with Bitcoin. Bitcoiners want Bitcoin to go up so that they can go make poop sculptures

1:24:25Charlie Spears and start their their goofy little side project band. Nobody realized that someone still has to mine the cobalt.

1:24:32Rod Palmer And Yeah. We're gonna let the shit coiners mine. They're not gonna be able to handle it. That's exactly.

1:24:40Richard Greaser At least we'll have something for the boomers to do.

1:24:45Charlie Spears The but their bodies will be feeble and frail. We need we need Gen z and alpha to mine the cobalt.

1:24:52Richard Greaser False. We can we can suit them up with exo exoskeleton.

1:24:57Charlie Spears Yeah.

1:25:03Richard Greaser Alright. Well, let's blast through these. So, thanks for the boost, Dave. Wow. Change his name on found into paper Bitcoin summer. That's awesome. Mister Rabbit five hundred twenty one says, node runners deserve to be called mister dot dot, and I think it's a cool guy emoji.

1:25:23Richard Greaser And it said, hashtag start nine, hashtag RaspiPlates.

1:25:28Rod Palmer And then Node runners deserve to be called sir. Mister. Yeah. We agree. That's that's the point we made last week, and I agree. Yeah. Node runners deserve to be called mister, or you've earned the right to be called sir. Yeah. Char Charlie, do you think you've hit that that point in life that stage in life where the broccoli haircuts need to call you mister?

1:25:49Richard Greaser Mister Spears?

1:25:52Charlie Spears Yeah. Yeah. I think so. I deserve some a level of a level of respect now.

1:25:58Rod Palmer So I include Will?

1:25:60Charlie Spears Does he need to call you mister Spears? I'm making I'm making Will call me mister. In our morning, stand up. Yeah. Yep.

1:26:10Rod Palmer Next is Poopsicle. My credit card has great UX. We know Poopsicle. We know the credit card has great UX except for the interest rates. But, we're gonna we're gonna figure out a way. We're gonna get some more Bitcoin rewards credit cards. We're gonna get back in the game.

1:26:27Richard Greaser We just need credit cards on the blockchain.

1:26:30Rod Palmer Yeah.

1:26:33Richard Greaser Everything's going on the blockchain, folks. Everybody dreamed of it in 2017. They were just too early. You get all these boomers, you know, Cynthia Lomas running around teaching all these stupid politicians on the Epstein list about Bitcoin. They're gonna wanna put it all in the blockchain for sure. Pies, $4.20 cents. Oh, what were you saying?

1:26:59Rod Palmer I was just gonna say, so the best one is Pies. And this is why I told you that you need to claim your podcast on Fountain today, you know, because it's it's more than the Zap income. It's people like Pies. Pies listens to every single Bitcoin podcast

1:27:18Rod Palmer that exists. And it there's proof of that because he boosts and comments on every single one of them. And you see it in the comments it found every single week. Pies so if you post it on here, Pies will start zapping you 420 sats saying some of the most crazy incoherent shit you've ever read in your life. And I I you a pre listen boost.

1:27:40Charlie Spears Dude, that does not even quote even is on. That's amazing.

1:27:46Rod Palmer The

1:27:48Richard Greaser It's like he's checking in at the beginning of class and the end of class.

1:27:53Rod Palmer That's right. And he he'll post sometimes he'll post paragraphs about his prison buddies and, like, the the coke dealers that he was beaten up for the strippers. It's amazing. He was in prison. He was rehabbed by Bitcoin podcast while he was in prison. And you you'll be guilfating your your podcast, and that is having a fan like Pies posting about you all over the Internet is you can't put a price tag on it. So buys as soon as as soon as Charlie as soon as you hear this episode, Charlie will have his podcast on UnFound. Give it a listen. So,

1:28:28Rod Palmer Yeah. Baez gave us 420¢ the two boosts. We read the first one. He says, I haven't gone back to New York City since the COVID communist takeover. Fuck New York City.

1:28:39Charlie Spears Fuck NYC, baby.

1:28:42Rod Palmer Total rubble, dude. Top.

1:28:45Richard Greaser So is is Pub Key in danger of getting chased out of New York?

1:28:52Charlie Spears No. No. No. Pub Pub Key is an oasis in the desert, the the moral desert of,

1:29:02Charlie Spears New York City.

1:29:07Rod Palmer Yeah. That's what that's what it seems like. I mean, my only worry is that New York City becomes eventually you know, I don't know how long it would take, but it would just be so commie that people start go the coolest pub moves back to the West Coast. You could have, like, LA reform for New York, and Corey could steal Corey could steal

1:29:30Rod Palmer the quarry from Pub Key.

1:29:33Charlie Spears That would be just the most Corey thing ever.

1:29:37Richard Greaser I'm really afraid for Pub Key. Yeah. Like, it the one thing we know about communist is they like to create starvation. Right? And they like to attack the the most productive individuals. And, you know, Bitcoiners

1:29:53Richard Greaser are the most and Bitcoin podcast listeners, especially, are the most productive individuals in a society. And, the communist are gonna probably

1:30:09Richard Greaser just go after PubKey at some point, kinda like, the Soviets did after the Ukrainian farmers.

1:30:21Charlie Spears That's that's exactly where my head went. We're gonna have another red scare, and we're gonna go after, any, wrong think. When I say we, not me, obviously, I'm not a commie. I'm a I'm an anarchist. But,

1:30:38Charlie Spears I you know, they're coming for me too.

1:30:40Richard Greaser What what specifically are your political pronouns?

1:30:51Charlie Spears I don't I I haven't given this I haven't given this much thought. I don't know, mate. I'm a may I'm, like, an old school Woodrow Wilson fan. I'm just kidding. He's like the fun one to hate in history. I don't know. I don't I don't have a good I don't I don't have a good answer to my political pronouns.

1:31:16Rod Palmer That's alright. It I think a lot of people are having a hard time figuring out what their political pronouns are because I don't think any of them really seem to make sense anymore, and we've been talking about that. It's like we're talking about the plebs. Whereas the plebs give themselves political pronouns. Pioneers are defining the new political

1:31:36Rod Palmer framework. Am I what where do you stand? We're gonna start partitioning it like this. But, I think that's under under further review.

1:31:44Richard Greaser You're you're probably political fluid.

1:31:49Charlie Spears Yeah. I'm I'm polypolitical,

1:31:52Rod Palmer you might say. You're we're non binary. We're non binary. We're not the inter prat republican. We're not left. Right? We're nonbinary.

1:31:59Charlie Spears My my political That's basically it's what you call centrist from now on. God.

1:32:06Rod Palmer That yeah. But that's the center. Nonbinary is now a center of the discussion in The United States. Yeah. Exactly. Oh, yeah. Understandable. So the next, we got just a few more here. We got BTC onboard. He gave us 300 zaps and some thumbs up. Pies hit us with a couple more 100 zap boosts, saying he's all about Zeus. He loves Zeus. Bullish, bruh. And when is Evan

1:32:31Rod Palmer Zeus podcast. Well, that that's what this podcast is, Wise. Thank you, for that. And then CPO b v hunter sats, some emojis. Gary, what's up, Gary?

1:32:43Charlie Spears And pies and their pies.

1:32:46Rod Palmer Oh, yeah. Average. Yeah. That's average Gary. Average Gary. He's the, the the spy, the spook over on yeah. In Maryland. Yep. Awesome.

1:32:59Rod Palmer We've got Average Gary, one of our favorite feds. Thank you for coming on, Charlie. This has been great. What's what do you wanna say? Like, what's what's what's going on with BlockSpace? What's your plan here for what's be what's the what are you doing the rest of the summer? How are you celebrating Bitcoin paper Bitcoin this summer?

1:33:24Charlie Spears Actually, this, unironically, we are hiring, actually. Preferably EU based reporters.

1:33:34Charlie Spears We want prolific people who can report on, Bitcoin and crypto industry news. So, we've already hired one person, and we're gonna

1:33:49Charlie Spears hire more. You if you think you have the chops to I mean, just go look at the stories you write. And if you think you, can compliment that, then hit us up. Otherwise, but for block space, we're focusing on growth, which is actually much more difficult than it looks. I just don't know if I'm I don't think it's hard to it's hard to get people to listen to you if you're not pumping a ticker. It's, like, really difficult.

1:34:16Charlie Spears And so trying to figure out how to keep people get people to listen without They're promising an airdrop.

1:34:23Richard Greaser There there's some there's a few ways you could do it. You can start using open mouth thumbnails. That that's a tried and true method. And the recent one that I learned of today was, saying the words Bitcoin backflip.

1:34:38Charlie Spears Yeah. Hurdle rate, that's a good one. Gotta gotta come up with new words like hurdle rate. Yeah. But so, I mean, block space, we're we have a pretty normal summer, and then we will be announcing we did our we did a Bitcoin technical conference, this year and last year. It's our Bitcoin scaling conference up next.

1:35:03Charlie Spears All the smartest people. We will announce a twenty twenty six one sometime. So, that is a that's probably been the most fun thing I've ever worked on and the most gratifying thing I've ever worked on. Actually, I say this with sincerity because, like, we managed to get some things

1:35:25Charlie Spears happen, which I kinda didn't ever think would happen. Got got people to talk who wouldn't otherwise have spoken to each other ever. And, so I do get a lot of gratification of that, and it's a profitable, it's been a profitable endeavor so far. So we will be doing another conference

1:35:44Charlie Spears like that, sometime.

1:35:47Richard Greaser Yeah. How much gratification would you get out of it if Dennis Porter MC'd it?

1:35:60Charlie Spears I would ask Dennis to pass a basic literacy test about node relay policy first, and then he can, then he can host it.

1:36:12Rod Palmer Holding into five standards.

1:36:14Charlie Spears That's the that that's the way. Yeah. Dennis, name me the six bootstrapping nodes for Bitcoin Core.

1:36:21Richard Greaser He could answer that. No problem. Inbound and outbound peers can you have by default? He's he's read Mastering Bitcoin so many times that it's fallen apart. The cover fell off. Yeah.

1:36:36Charlie Spears Yeah. He's like, the pages, they're all stuck together. Well,

1:36:45Rod Palmer last last question for you, Charlie, and I think it's a lot everybody wants to know. When is BlockSpace doing its back becoming a paper Bitcoin treasury company when you go in public?

1:36:59Charlie Spears We made the mistake of buying Bitcoin and not telling anybody about it, which is rule number one. Mistake mistake number one. Yeah. So we are a Bitcoin treasury company, and, when we when we manage you know, someday, we'll make it on that board, that that scoreboard of bitcointreasuries.net, and I will craft a very, very good tweet. Someday will be higher than,

1:37:27Charlie Spears your favorite mom and pops, like, subway shop or whatever.

1:37:32Rod Palmer I believe it. Yeah. I believe it. Alright, man. Have a good one. Thanks for coming on.

1:37:42Richard Greaser Thank you again, sir.

1:37:44Charlie Spears I like this podcast. Everything I say, does not I don't mean anything I say on here. Everything is a lie. Good night.