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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-0">0:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-0" data-t="0">Hey. What's up, everybody? Happy Friday. My name is Isaiah Austin. I am the admin of the Bitcoin conference x handle. We're so happy to have you join us today. We're thirty one days out exactly a month from Bitcoin twenty twenty six,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-13" data-t="13">and we have reached the conclusion of Maxi Madness.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-16" data-t="16">So today, there's a lot of stuff to celebrate.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-19" data-t="19">I'm here with,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-20" data-t="20">Dennis,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-21" data-t="21">from B Mag. Dennis, how are you doing today?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-25">0:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-25" data-t="25">Wow.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-26" data-t="26">I'm really good.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-28" data-t="28">This is this is very exciting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-31" data-t="31">Frantically,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-32" data-t="32">sending messages to a couple other people I would love to see in this, but glad to see Rod and and, Richard and the the BUWU guys here.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-43">0:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-43" data-t="43">Yeah. It's it's been</span> <span class="cue" id="t-45" data-t="45">a great</span> <span class="cue" id="t-47" data-t="47">a great tournament this year, probably</span> <span class="cue" id="t-49" data-t="49">the best ever.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-51" data-t="51">And, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-53" data-t="53">shout out to the, the dog army. I see some of them out in the crowd right now because they they showed up big time for Casey and Aaron, and they made it possible for them to win.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-65">1:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-65" data-t="65">You can't go very far in Maxi Madness</span> <span class="cue" id="t-67" data-t="67">without the fans, without your followers, without without the people.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-72" data-t="72">Who made you who made you the Maxi influencer that you are? So shout out to those guys. Shout out to everybody who participated</span> <span class="cue" id="t-79" data-t="79">this year.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-82">1:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-82" data-t="82">Yeah. Honestly,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-83" data-t="83">a lot of shining moments</span> <span class="cue" id="t-85" data-t="85">and, really,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-87" data-t="87">really I mean, look.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-89" data-t="89">To go far we can talk I know I know this is gonna get in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-93" data-t="93">to the, history</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-95">1:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-95" data-t="95">of Maxi Madness and just, like, everything that goes on year to year here. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-101" data-t="101">to go far,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-102" data-t="102">you need</span> <span class="cue" id="t-103" data-t="103">you need</span> <span class="cue" id="t-105" data-t="105">a cult</span> <span class="cue" id="t-106" data-t="106">or you need actual followers</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-109">1:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-109" data-t="109">or you need bots.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-111" data-t="111">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-113" data-t="113">really, we could dive into the intersection of those. Is there a difference in some of those cases?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-119" data-t="119">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-120" data-t="120">Very, very, interesting dynamics this year.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-124" data-t="124">Maybe less botting than previous years, but, we can chat about that, or or is that taboo? I don't know if that's taboo.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-133">2:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-133" data-t="133">Well, the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-134" data-t="134">the ballot is it's a secret ballot.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-137" data-t="137">So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-138" data-t="138">the idea that bots are voting in Maxi Madness is pure speculation. There's a Podkoff tried</span> <span class="cue" id="t-145" data-t="145">to prove this last year, but they were unable to get very far,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-150" data-t="150">because Elon keeps the the API</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-153">2:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-153" data-t="153">everything secret. Richard,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-155" data-t="155">if you wanna elaborate here.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-158">2:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-158" data-t="158">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-159" data-t="159">Good to be on here.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-162" data-t="162">I've been trying to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-164" data-t="164">differentiate the difference between a pleb and a bot.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-167" data-t="167">This is, like, one of the the journalistic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-170" data-t="170">missions I've been on, and I I don't think there</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-174">2:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-174" data-t="174">is a clear difference because they they both operate the same way. Right? Like, the the pleb</span> <span class="cue" id="t-180" data-t="180">gets their their programming, their, you know, their prompting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-184" data-t="184">from</span> <span class="cue" id="t-185" data-t="185">an influencer,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-186" data-t="186">and and their</span> <span class="cue" id="t-187" data-t="187">behavior is dependent on said influencer. So,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-191">3:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-191" data-t="191">you know, many many plabs will</span> <span class="cue" id="t-193" data-t="193">you know, they'll they'll go listen to their favorite podcaster. It informs them how to behave, whereas</span> <span class="cue" id="t-199" data-t="199">a bot</span> <span class="cue" id="t-201" data-t="201">gets their programming, you know, from an individual just, you know, via computer code. So I I I think they're very, very similar.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-208">3:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-208" data-t="208">And, Well, you know, if we've learned anything from Brad Mills' very public journey with his Claude bot,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-216" data-t="216">Both labs and quad bots are very, very hard to train. They're very,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-222" data-t="222">noncompliant, very ungovernable.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-224" data-t="224">They kinda just go and kinda go rogue.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-227">3:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-227" data-t="227">Yeah. So so the plot is actually probably more programmatically</span> <span class="cue" id="t-232" data-t="232">likely to follow directions</span> <span class="cue" id="t-234" data-t="234">than</span> <span class="cue" data-t="234">a bot at this point.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-237" data-t="237">But, yeah, I mean, you know, these these types of conversations oftentimes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-241" data-t="241">are used to try and discredit our democracy.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-245">4:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-245" data-t="245">And, I I don't always think are fair. You know, the the winners</span> <span class="cue" id="t-250" data-t="250">have put the work in.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-252" data-t="252">They deserve it. They they've organized their voting base,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-255" data-t="255">however it might be. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-258" data-t="258">you know, this year was unique in the sense that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-262" data-t="262">a podcast</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-264">4:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-264" data-t="264">won the whole tournament, I would say. You know, you had the cohost,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-268" data-t="268">facing off against each other in the finals. So it it wasn't as clear,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-273" data-t="273">as there being a winner and a loser. I I feel like a podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-277" data-t="277">won</span> <span class="cue" id="t-278" data-t="278">for the first time in Maxi Madness history, and, that was,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-283" data-t="283">exciting.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-287">4:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-287" data-t="287">Now I do see Erin in the in the audience here if, because I she needs to she needs to be her own voice in this case. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-295" data-t="295">yeah, the the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-297" data-t="297">the Hell Money podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-300" data-t="300">is oh, I mean, it it is a fantastic podcast. I recommend it. Obviously, Casey and, being in the finals again</span> <span class="cue" id="t-310" data-t="310">there is, is quite silly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-313" data-t="313">Yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-314">5:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-314" data-t="314">Has Walker ever gone up against his own</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-318">5:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-318" data-t="318">RIP denim. Did we lose denim, or did I lose everyone?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-323">5:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-323" data-t="323">No. We lost denim. Yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-325">5:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-325" data-t="325">Oh, RIP denim. I can take it. I I can take the Hell Money podcast praise from here. I could tell he was starting to route it to praise someone else or to talk about someone else, which I just think is wildly inappropriate in a time like this when,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-338" data-t="338">Hell Money podcast has has clearly</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-341">5:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-341" data-t="341">champion.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-342">5:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-342" data-t="342">Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. I mean, Walker was out, I think, in round one or something. So, you know, really not the time to be,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-350" data-t="350">to be talking about lesser, Bitcoin podcast. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-353" data-t="353">yeah, I actually kinda wanted to say something about the the bot thread.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-359" data-t="359">I oh, Jesus. This is probably gonna be a totally different like, there's gonna be no Venn diagram intersection in a reference I'm about to make. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-369" data-t="369">over the last week, the has</span> <span class="cue" id="t-372" data-t="372">up</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-373">6:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-373" data-t="373">roar about Chapel Roan who, her security guard</span> <span class="cue" id="t-378" data-t="378">apparently</span> <span class="cue" id="t-379" data-t="379">told a child that came up to get her autograph,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-383" data-t="383">like, to back off, basically. Like, the security guard basically, like, squared up against the child.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-389" data-t="389">The child cried, and then it turned out that the child had famous parents who then</span> <span class="cue" id="t-393" data-t="393">went and posted about how Chapel Rhone had done this and and what an evil menace Chapel Rhone was for it. And this was kind of this whole</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-401">6:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-401" data-t="401">big moment that's happened over the last week. And just today,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-405" data-t="405">Chapel Roan I mean, it's presumed that it's Chapel Roan's team because someone had to have paid this research group. But basically, this research group came out with this report</span> <span class="cue" id="t-414" data-t="414">that says, oh, you know, about 20 to 30%</span> <span class="cue" id="t-418" data-t="418">of all of the discourse surrounding this Chapel Rhone stuff were bots that were that were activated against Chapel Rhone. And so this this report was basically trying to reframe the narrative as,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-429" data-t="429">oh, it's just bots that have been saying this against Chapel Roan. It's it's not it's not genuine engagement that is actually angry at her for this situation.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-437" data-t="437">And I just thought that was interesting to see because</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-440">7:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-440" data-t="440">that same,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-441" data-t="441">research group did the same thing for Taylor Swift during her, Justin Baldoni,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-447" data-t="447">it ends with us, Colleen Hoover</span> <span class="cue" id="t-450" data-t="450">situation with Blake Lively.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-452" data-t="452">And so we're we're actually starting to see, like, counter narratives around bots, which I think we also saw in Maxi Madness, right, where it's like, I mean, look at the engagement that Casey and I got on every single round of Maxi Madness. Like, regardless of if anyone ever bought at anything,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-467" data-t="467">we dominate it. Like, we we've dominated</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-470">7:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-470" data-t="470">every single time that we were on.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-473" data-t="473">And yet the best that the other side can do is say, well, it wasn't real. It must have been bots. And so I think we're just gonna see this more and more. Like, the fact that you see that at the level of Chapel Roan or Taylor Swift</span> <span class="cue" id="t-485" data-t="485">and equivalent, competitions of equal importance like Maxi Madness.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-490" data-t="490">Like, I just think we're getting to a point where it's like people can just write off anything as saying, it's AI. It's not real. It's bots. And so</span> <span class="cue" id="t-499" data-t="499">yeah, I just think we're, like, getting further and further into a,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-502" data-t="502">into a situation where, like, people can just kind of create reality around whatever they want it to be.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-510">8:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-510" data-t="510">Boy, I didn't know I was gonna,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-512" data-t="512">rage bait you just this soon in the calls by bringing up bots. Aaron,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-517" data-t="517">Aaron,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-518" data-t="518">speak about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-520" data-t="520">speak about being runner runner-up to Casey. Does this create any uncomfortable dynamics with the two of you?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-527" data-t="527">We're probably gonna have</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-529">8:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-529" data-t="529">a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-533" data-t="533">subscriber podcast here soon. Yeah? Or or at Spaces. That was that this week?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-540">9:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-540" data-t="540">Yeah. We have we actually have an episode dropping right at the end of this space. Like, the Hell Money episode about, the ordinals bit rejection will go up at at, like, noon, like, in forty five minutes from now. So you will get to see us in, like, maximum sadness. This was pre maxi madness, so, like, morale was extremely low on that episode.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-560" data-t="560">But, yeah, you know, I'm I'm used like, Casey has, like, more than 10 times the amount of followers that I have. So it's like, what</span> <span class="cue" id="t-567" data-t="567">what do I think is gonna happen? And then, also, like, when you activate the ordinals,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-572" data-t="572">like, Casey is the more name recognizable name.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-576" data-t="576">So I think the thing is, like, I know that the real ones voted for me. And, like, Casey might have even voted for me, to be honest. Like, I feel like,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-585">9:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-585" data-t="585">you know, I I know that I'm the heart and soul of the movement. I know that anyone who's really in it knows that as well. So, you know, it's just it's just part of the, part of the situation we're doing. Use Chinese sorcery to activate, certain types of d gens? It seems like he had an acute awareness of various types of Chinese meme memery. He is now here. He can speak for himself. I guess these are, like, again, false accusations, perhaps.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-610">10:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Casey</b> <span class="cue" id="t-610" data-t="610">I just wanna say that this is a huge victory for the drowned downtrodden simps.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-615" data-t="615">We won't let the Foids walk all over us.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-619" data-t="619">This is this is the real the real message. The incels are gonna rise up.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-624" data-t="624">The the trickeryth</span> <span class="cue" id="t-626" data-t="626">astrology voids don't have power of ours anymore. Okay. We've discovered,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-632" data-t="632">Chinese numerology,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-633">10:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Casey</b> <span class="cue" id="t-633" data-t="633">which gives us our own power. So I think this is a great victory and a great, equalization of the of the sexes.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-640">10:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-640" data-t="640">I I disagree. I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-642" data-t="642">you winning Casey was a major loss for the Sims. We were all looking forward to, winners,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-648" data-t="648">posting nudes.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-649">10:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Casey</b> <span class="cue" id="t-649" data-t="649">See, that's the that's the first order effect, but the second order effect is you the simps need to break free of their chains. Okay? They can't be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-656" data-t="656">shackled</span> <span class="cue" id="t-657" data-t="657">just praying out here begging for a glimpse of the titties. You know what I mean? They've gotta have more self respect. They gotta be saving their money on OnlyFans. They've gotta be stacking stats. So I think that's the real that's the real message.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-670">11:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-670" data-t="670">It's important</span> <span class="cue" id="t-671" data-t="671">never to glaze the simps. If you glaze the simps, they just get out of control.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-680">11:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-680" data-t="680">Casey, I don't know if embracing your incel identity is really gonna help with your overall mission of trying to get a girlfriend. Yeah. Probably not. I feel like you were on a better path. You know, this is not this is a I feel like every time we we put ourselves in front of a new audience, it's an opportunity for you to, like, meet a woman. And, like, this is you've really turned off everyone.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-699">11:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Casey</b> <span class="cue" id="t-699" data-t="699">All of the, like, two women that are in the What I'm really excited to say is that I'm a dedicated feminist, and I actually endorsed Erin to win. She should have win. She was really she was really the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-710" data-t="710">the power of the campaign,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-713" data-t="713">and it was only due</span> <span class="cue" id="t-714" data-t="714">to structural misogyny</span> <span class="cue" id="t-717" data-t="717">that she lost.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-719" data-t="719">So, yeah, I just wanted to put that out there.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-722">12:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-722" data-t="722">I would like to see a prediction market on who gets a girlfriend first, Casey or, Shinobi.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-731">12:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-731" data-t="731">Well, Casey is the Maxi Madness champion, so that is gonna be a huge advantage</span> <span class="cue" id="t-736" data-t="736">to him. Shinobi,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-738" data-t="738">he</span> <span class="cue" id="t-739" data-t="739">let's let's let's face it. There's a lot of obstacles in the way.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-743" data-t="743">For Shinobi to find a girlfriend, Maxi Madness winning Maxi Madness would have helped, but I I still think there would have been a lot of a lot of roadblocks there.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-757">12:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-757" data-t="757">Now clearly, this is gonna be an unhinged,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-759" data-t="759">no direction type of of conversation, but I do wanna kick it to, Tommy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-764" data-t="764">who is here from the BMAG handle, who who awarded the winner with a very special present.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-771" data-t="771">Would love for him to hop on and explain himself</span> <span class="cue" id="t-775" data-t="775">and, perhaps,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-777" data-t="777">you know, ceremonially</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-778">12:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-778" data-t="778">betrove this to Casey.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-781">13:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Tommy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-781" data-t="781">Sure. Yeah. I mean, I'm a little busy ripping packs of Pokemon cards right now, but I'll try to, you know, do this too.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-788" data-t="788">Yeah. I got the call from</span> <span class="cue" id="t-791" data-t="791">Rod Palmer to make the trophy for this year's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-796" data-t="796">Maxi Madness, and I,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-798" data-t="798">did it in the wee hours of the morning last night. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-802" data-t="802">I am very proud to present</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-805">13:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Tommy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-805" data-t="805">a hand drawn</span> <span class="cue" id="t-807" data-t="807">slop, nothing AI.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-810" data-t="810">Just pen on paper,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-813" data-t="813">Pepe</span> <span class="cue" id="t-814" data-t="814">for Casey</span> <span class="cue" id="t-815" data-t="815">as the trophy.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-817">13:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Tommy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-817" data-t="817">And, it was really,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-819" data-t="819">handsomely paid for by the bugle. So thank you.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-823">13:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Casey</b> <span class="cue" id="t-823" data-t="823">This is incredible. I wasn't expecting this at all. I think, some original Tommy artwork is, absolutely a fitting a fitting a fitting, a fitting,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-834" data-t="834">championship gift or whatever. I will definitely, treasure it forever and have it framed and put it up on my wall. No joke.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-841">14:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Tommy</b> <span class="cue" id="t-841" data-t="841">I can send you the actual paper because it is real. So let's let's do that. Let's get it framed.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-847">14:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Casey</b> <span class="cue" id="t-847" data-t="847">Hell, yeah. Yeah. I will send you my address.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-849" data-t="849">Absolutely.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-850">14:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-850" data-t="850">Yeah. We should probably hang it somewhere that you can see it in the, like, hell money episodes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-855" data-t="855">So we gotta figure out good placement for that. Because, just to remind you, it is it is really a hell money award. I I'm even featured in the art</span> <span class="cue" id="t-864" data-t="864">itself. So I'm sure Dennis made sure that that happened honestly because Dennis knows what happens. I'm I'm like a very sore loser. So I'm not gonna I I promise you Dennis had nothing to do with this one.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-877">14:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-877" data-t="877">Aaron, speaking of sore losing, can you speak a little bit about your,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-882" data-t="882">your ranking and, your first round matchup with Ross Ulbrich? Because I I'm looking at I was re reviewing,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-889" data-t="889">Rob Hamilton's winning bracket, and I noticed that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-893" data-t="893">Frank,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-894" data-t="894">Frank Korva was up against Lynn Alden in in the first bracket. Again, a very tough draw.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-900" data-t="900">What what did you did you take that personally? Would you like to speak about that?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-905">15:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-905" data-t="905">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-906" data-t="906">yeah. And if I were to, like, you know, do a one shining moment, I would say that first round victory was a big deal, and then maybe we can also talk about the Chris Chris Seeder,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-915" data-t="915">oh, matchup, which also had some shining moments. Yeah. I I was definitely very,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-922">15:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-922" data-t="922">upset and invigorated</span> <span class="cue" id="t-923" data-t="923">by being seated number 15 out of 16 in the hot bracket.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-929" data-t="929">You know, I think it's it's actual I mean, clearly, it was a fair fight for me to go up against Ross because I beat him. So it's not that I was necessarily so angry that I was up against Ross. I think Ross is very good looking.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-941" data-t="941">He has really great, like, bone structure. He kind of consistently mogs.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-945" data-t="945">But to see some of the people that were seated above me in the hot bracket,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-952" data-t="952">yeah, I don't I don't know how that was chosen, but it it wouldn't have been the selection I would have gone with. And I I actually even think maybe the hot bracket in general. Like, there were lots of people that could have gone in the hot bracket over some of the other competitors.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-965">16:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-965" data-t="965">No shade to my no shade to my, my bracket. But that was kind of, I think, what what activated me initially to get so involved in Maxi Madness was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-976" data-t="976">I realized, like, what a shame it would be if I not only lost to Ross, but, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-981" data-t="981">proved that my 15 seeding was accurate. Like, that was really what motivated me as I needed to beat Ross. I needed to show that I shouldn't have been seated at number 15. And I think I showed that ultimately because not only did I dominate, the hot bracket, but ultimately, I dominated PodCon as well, which which would have been my other bracket, I think. Yeah. The the the you not being in the podcasting one, I know probably also was, yeah. But the but I mean, I'm I'm not upset about being in the hot bracket. You know what I mean? Like, that's fine. Yeah. That's fine. But but it's nice to to show, to be given the opportunity to show that I can dominate both arenas.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1018">16:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1018" data-t="1018">You know, so so ultimately I think the results speak for themselves, but, yeah, I I also just kinda wanna say, like, this is the first Maxi Madness that how many podcast or ordinals people have even been on the board. And so I feel like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1031" data-t="1031">maybe Casey and I would have won 23, 24, 25, and 26. You know what I mean? Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1037" data-t="1037">who's to say? So I just think this is the first maxi madness that we've given we've been given the opportunity to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1044" data-t="1044">to compete and show what we're worth.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1046">17:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1046" data-t="1046">Well, Bugle may have to defend themselves here a little bit, but I also think, like, look, I I have stated that I thought Larry should have been in the the hot bracket. I mean, he does post a lot of CrossFit,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1059" data-t="1059">pit photos.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1060" data-t="1060">And, like, also, is that kind of ageist to not, like, have him in the hot bracket? Like, but Bugle can defend themselves because, clearly, there's been numerous, like, questions of rankings here.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1071">17:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1071" data-t="1071">I just do I wanna say that Ordinals has had representation before. Before.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1076" data-t="1076">Udi and Eric have competed in the past, and they performed extremely poorly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1082" data-t="1082">I think they're poor representations</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1084" data-t="1084">of the ordinals ecosystem, though.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1087">18:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1087" data-t="1087">Yeah. I would I mean, I wouldn't really we've not we haven't had either of them on Hell Money podcast, for example. Like, I I I feel like putting Udi and Eric in as ordinals people is kind of just like an ignorant misnomer. No offense.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1100" data-t="1100">I would say they're they're more like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1103" data-t="1103">just like anti maxi people that just sort of happen to coalesce around ordinals at the time because the maxis were so</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1111" data-t="1111">mad about it and I guess because they already had an NFT collection that they were trying to do, which my understanding is they were going to do that NFT collection, like the Taproot Wizards,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1120" data-t="1120">on Ethereum. And then it just happened to align that ordinals came out, and so they ended up making it an inscriptions collection instead.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1127" data-t="1127">So, yeah, I don't know. I wouldn't put Oody and Eric in with ordinals people. I just think that's kind of like,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1133">18:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1133" data-t="1133">yeah. It's like I mean, this is so, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1136" data-t="1136">representative of what I think has been</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1138" data-t="1138">showing in the last week is, like, the maxis just have no idea what's happening outside of their bubble. Like, everyone who's not in their bubble, they're like, they're a shitcoin or ordinal person, and they're all the same. And it's like, no. We we have our own ecosystems</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1151" data-t="1151">going on.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1153" data-t="1153">And some of them might be even bigger and more dominant as we've seen from me and Casey getting to the top two.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1159">19:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1159" data-t="1159">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1160" data-t="1160">I I think there's a lot of truth to that. And, you know, maybe maybe I wouldn't fade</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1166" data-t="1166">Casey or Aaron in any Maxi Madness tournament.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1169" data-t="1169">However,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1170" data-t="1170">last year,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1172" data-t="1172">Teddy Bitcoins,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1174">19:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1174" data-t="1174">I don't think anybody could have beat Teddy Bitcoins. And if if you want some evidence of that, just look at the poll results</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1182" data-t="1182">of the championship last year when Teddy Bitcoins</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1185" data-t="1185">faced Michael Saylor. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1188" data-t="1188">now going back to what Aaron said about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1191" data-t="1191">the onslaught back of the chamber and Maxi's not necessarily</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1195" data-t="1195">having a lot of awareness outside of the of their bubble.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1200">19:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1200" data-t="1200">Right? Last year, Maxi Madness</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1203" data-t="1203">preceded</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1204" data-t="1204">paper Bitcoin summer.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1205" data-t="1205">And so the finalists</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1207" data-t="1207">in Maxi Madness last year were two paper Bitcoin influencers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1211" data-t="1211">at the very top, right at the very height of</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1215">20:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1215" data-t="1215">the spring entering into the first paper Bitcoin summer. Teddy Bitcoins was a big micro strategy,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1221" data-t="1221">you know, influencer, I guess you could say. And and, of course, Michael Saylor was his opponent in the final.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1228" data-t="1228">And so once Teddy Bitcoins shocked</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1231" data-t="1231">the Maxi Madness fans</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1233" data-t="1233">dominated,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1234" data-t="1234">completely dominated, I mean, he took out Yellow, he took out Lin Alden, he took out Adam Back, and then he took out Sailor in the final.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1241">20:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1241" data-t="1241">And Sailor was engaging. Sailor sent his simps to the polls and still lost to Teddy Bitcoins.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1247" data-t="1247">And then we had paper Bitcoin summer. So I think nobody saw that coming</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1251" data-t="1251">a year ago. And I think, I don't know what's coming this summer. I don't know if it's the money, the summer of hell money, the summer of ruins, the summer of the dog army. I don't know. But I know</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1263" data-t="1263">the paper that Maxi Madness,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1265" data-t="1265">typically</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1267" data-t="1267">is like a a is foreshadowing</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1269">21:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1269" data-t="1269">of very,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1272" data-t="1272">something that's gonna be trending big time in the summertime.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1274" data-t="1274">So just think about that when when when the summer kicks off and and things start to get crazy.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1282">21:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1282" data-t="1282">That's a really good point. I wonder</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1285" data-t="1285">what kind of thing how many podcast could do that would cause,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1288" data-t="1288">like, a major bullish rise in the summer and then just like a complete</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1294" data-t="1294">nuclear crash in the fall. Casey and I will have to think about that,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1298">21:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1298" data-t="1298">to see what we can figure out.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1301">21:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1301" data-t="1301">Yeah. The turbo flag. The turbo flag. That's a great point.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1305">21:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Casey</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1305" data-t="1305">Actually, maybe Casey should speak more on the the turbo flag. If anybody has ideas for what the turbo flag should do, definitely let me know. You know what I mean? I'm all ears over here.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1317">21:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1317" data-t="1317">There actually was a beautiful moment of unity.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1320" data-t="1320">Yesterday, we ended up going live on the Hell Money account.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1324" data-t="1324">In theory, it was, like, to debate each other, although that that wasn't really what actually ended up happening. But yellow was in the chat on the stream, and yellow was throwing out ideas for the turbo flag,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1335" data-t="1335">which I thought was was beautiful.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1337" data-t="1337">So there definitely has been a little bit of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1340" data-t="1340">of unity, I would say, coming from the, traditional maxi side.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1345">22:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1345" data-t="1345">So, yeah, maybe maybe we can workshop with yellow and see what, like, a good turbo flag feature would</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1355">22:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1355" data-t="1355">be.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1356" data-t="1356">I also see Rob Rob in the in the audience here. It would be great to get him up here for him to talk about his winning bracket,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1364" data-t="1364">because, he</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1366" data-t="1366">he he he picked the best bracket,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1368" data-t="1368">and 'tis the season.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1370" data-t="1370">But, yeah, Casey, again, huge congratulations.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1374">22:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1374" data-t="1374">Once again, mogging Aaron is is real rough in a public setting like this. I I don't approve of that. Say that she's gonna beat me in private. It's gonna be bad. It's gonna be real bad, bro.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1387" data-t="1387">It's true. It's true. Actually,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1389">23:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Casey</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1389" data-t="1389">Yeah. I, I'm not I'm not gonna get a single word in edgewise on the next podcast. It's just gonna be, uh-huh. Well Yep. Yep.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1398">23:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1398" data-t="1398">Seeding her seeding her so low by the bugle,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1401" data-t="1401">they they didn't know that, like, Erin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1404" data-t="1404">is not gonna not try</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1405" data-t="1405">and also doesn't agree with the idea of just, like, trying to lose. Like, she's just not gonna do that. So, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1413" data-t="1413">was was was,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1415" data-t="1415">quite the</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1416">23:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1416" data-t="1416">the fury that she unleashed throughout through from round to round. And the Chris Cedar round was really entertaining. And, obviously,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1423" data-t="1423">yellow is is an absolute legend and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1427" data-t="1427">happy he can speak for himself. I see that he's here now. So</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1432">23:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Yellow</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1432" data-t="1432">What?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1438" data-t="1438">What do you want, Damian?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1441">24:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1441" data-t="1441">Yellow.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1443" data-t="1443">How many days in a row did you do,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1446" data-t="1446">don't stop, believe in spaces? That it you cultivated</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1450" data-t="1450">a a,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1452" data-t="1452">I you know, calling d s DSP was like a a for people that weren't there, it was incredible. Like, I I those were I loved those days more than anything. It was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1463" data-t="1463">absolutely phenomenal,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1465">24:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1465" data-t="1465">daily humor,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1467" data-t="1467">and, it was almost like a Sisyphus thing where he had to show up every day, so he, like, kind of wanted yellow to be free,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1474" data-t="1474">but also</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1475" data-t="1475">the idea that it kept going. I remember</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1478" data-t="1478">at Bitcoin twenty '22 in in Miami</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1482" data-t="1482">listening to it. I think the price of Bitcoin was, like, 46</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1486">24:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1486" data-t="1486">or maybe it was in the high forties that had gone down from 69.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1492" data-t="1492">But yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1493" data-t="1493">And then, and then the days just started to go go</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1498" data-t="1498">on and on.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1500" data-t="1500">But that was that he I mean, yellow you have I I would consider myself one of them, a a dedicated following,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1508" data-t="1508">but Casey and Aaron,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1510">25:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1510" data-t="1510">they also have a following, and they also have,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1514" data-t="1514">Chinese,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1515" data-t="1515">followers that were sleeping sometimes.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1519">25:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Yellow</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1519" data-t="1519">How do you how do you get Chinese? Thank you for your time. It was one thousand a hundred and twenty three days</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1526" data-t="1526">consistency.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1527" data-t="1527">And, also, how do I get Chinese followers? I'm really interested about that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1535" data-t="1535">Do I have do I start reading in Chinese or something?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1539">25:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1539" data-t="1539">Yeah. Erin, how does yellow get Chinese followers?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1542">25:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1542" data-t="1542">You have to be tweeting in Chinese,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1545" data-t="1545">like, in Mandarin specifically.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1548" data-t="1548">Honestly, Casey is the best. He knows all of the Chinese memes somehow. Like, the one that he posted with the beaver where he face swapped himself onto the beaver. Like, that wasn't like he didn't have to, like, go ask what meme to do. Like, he just knew. So Casey is very tapped into,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1565" data-t="1565">to Chinese culture. I would say he has a great appreciation for it, actually.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1569">26:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Casey</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1569" data-t="1569">Yeah. You've just gotta be a terminally online,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1572">26:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1572" data-t="1572">basement dwelling nerd. I think that's a that's a good good first step. I just wanna jump in for a moment to verify this. At Bitcoin Hong Kong, the Bitcoin magazine conference in Hong Kong,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1582" data-t="1582">two years ago, Casey, like, showed up at an event, and the line of people looking to talk for her with him, like, basically wrapped around the whole talking area of people, like, mobbing him like a celebrity.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1594" data-t="1594">He's already plugged in. And Aaron and I just kinda sat there and watched him just have, like, a whole wall of simps just charging Casey.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1601" data-t="1601">So he he's been working on this coalition for years at this point.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1605">26:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Casey</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1605" data-t="1605">I've taken so many selfies,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1607" data-t="1607">all playing the long game. So many selfies with Chinese fans, all playing the long game to win Maxi Madness. It's all been leading up to this moment.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1616">26:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1616" data-t="1616">Yeah. I think that trip that Rob's talking about where Rob and I were just sitting watching Casey take selfies,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1622" data-t="1622">I I swear to God Casey took 1,000 selfies over the course of three days. It was insane. So if you wanna know where those Chinese votes came for because I I did see,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1633" data-t="1633">you know, Adam Back was really loose and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1636" data-t="1636">just playing fast and loose with the accusations of bots.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1639" data-t="1639">And and the answer is just like Europe went to sleep and Asia woke up. Asia woke up and the Chinese were activated, and they came and they voted.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1650" data-t="1650">So I feel like,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1651">27:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1651" data-t="1651">yeah, those those, like, 1,500</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1653" data-t="1653">or however many votes that came in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1655" data-t="1655">overnight for Europe and America, that was just the that was just the Chinese</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1659" data-t="1659">mob coming in, and supporting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1662" data-t="1662">Those were all the people that Casey took selfies with.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1665">27:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1665" data-t="1665">I think YOLO</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1667" data-t="1667">deserves</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1668" data-t="1668">to be flooded with Chinese beaver.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1670" data-t="1670">I think that he would love that.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1674">27:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Yellow</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1674" data-t="1674">Was that a sexual induendo?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1678">27:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1678" data-t="1678">No. No. It was about followers.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1680">27:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Yellow</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1680" data-t="1680">Okay. Okay.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1685" data-t="1685">Aaron, did you think that,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1687">28:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1687" data-t="1687">Aaron, did you think that the TikTok dance would perform a little bit better in terms of numbers? Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1694" data-t="1694">that that was one question I had.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1697">28:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1697" data-t="1697">You know, I kinda knew that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1700" data-t="1700">once we awoke the sleeping dragon of China that they weren't going to be able to be swayed by such tactics. Like, the TikTok dances mostly work for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1711" data-t="1711">incels in America. It's kind of just like a different audience, I would say. So the Chinese are gonna simp for Casey. Like, I knew that. So I did know that the fact that we had to activate the Chinese in order to get us into the top two, I figured that that would probably also hurt my chances of winning overall.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1729" data-t="1729">I think the biggest</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1730" data-t="1730">disappointment</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1731" data-t="1731">was really that that Twitter's call to action was not</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1735">28:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1735" data-t="1735">heated with more seriousness</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1737" data-t="1737">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1738" data-t="1738">and with more attention.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1741" data-t="1741">That did boost me a lot in the polls at the end, but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1745" data-t="1745">yeah, you know, I think I think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1747" data-t="1747">my strategy when I was campaigning against,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1750">29:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1750" data-t="1750">Ross Ulbricht and, Chris Seder was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1753" data-t="1753">that Bitcoin maxis aren't gay, and I think that that played out well there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1758" data-t="1758">Unfortunately,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1759" data-t="1759">once you get into the ordinals mob, it seems like many of the ordinals people might be gay.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1769">29:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Yellow</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1769" data-t="1769">Well, you do call it the turbo fact. I don't know why you call that.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1774">29:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1774" data-t="1774">That's a good point. That's a good point.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1778">29:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1778" data-t="1778">We all know that Witter's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1779" data-t="1779">call to action got mister Hoddle's attention.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1786">29:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1786" data-t="1786">Yeah. Witter's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1787" data-t="1787">that was a great attempt.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1789" data-t="1789">Chris Seedorf, though, also wore a, tube top and,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1794">29:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1794" data-t="1794">looked quite good as well. So I I, you know, my hat's off to him. But but still still in the Chris Seedorf round, though, you know, that's basically Maxi versus ordinals. You know what I mean? And so, like, the ordinals people are gonna be loyal to me even if they might find Chris Siedor to be more attractive to them personally.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1811" data-t="1811">But I think once you get ordinals versus ordinals and it's Casey versus Aaron,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1815" data-t="1815">yeah, that's where the sexuality</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1817" data-t="1817">comes out. And so that that actually might be one of the biggest major findings of Maxi Madness is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1823" data-t="1823">where is the gay split within the kind of greater Bitcoin culture?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1828">30:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1828" data-t="1828">Oh, I know. Yeah. There was a lot of act there was a lot of accusations of Asian gays too,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1834" data-t="1834">for Casey. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1836" data-t="1836">yeah. Go go ahead, Rod. I think I I I was gonna say,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1840">30:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1840" data-t="1840">in the sweet 16 round, one of the toughest matchups</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1844" data-t="1844">that Casey had was against Nifty.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1847" data-t="1847">She put up a pretty good file, but that was almost as close or maybe as closer than the Adam Back</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1854" data-t="1854">round. And I think that I think Nifty deserves,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1858" data-t="1858">you know, some</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1859" data-t="1859">some praise and some glaze for her performance.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1863">31:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1863" data-t="1863">She was pretty much out of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1865" data-t="1865">commission the next day,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1867" data-t="1867">with a migraine</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1869" data-t="1869">after she left it all on the court, I guess.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1873">31:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1873" data-t="1873">She does deserve some glazing because she really she she has a history of cosplay and LARPing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1880" data-t="1880">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1881" data-t="1881">you know, really to, like, you know, to battle, like, Casey and Aaron's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1886" data-t="1886">background in cosplay,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1888" data-t="1888">like, she really had to dig in deep. It was well, I don't know. Is that, like, you choosing to play somebody on their own game? Like, you don't wanna run against, like, Arizona this year. Like, that that's a bad idea. Like or</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1900" data-t="1900">or I don't know who wins it. I don't maybe you don't wanna play Aaron and Casey in a cosplay game.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1907">31:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Yellow</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1907" data-t="1907">Yeah. I would say something there if I may. Please. Yeah. Sorry, Yolo.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1913" data-t="1913">Once again,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1915" data-t="1915">congrats to the guys.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1918" data-t="1918">Casey for the Maxi Madness,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1921" data-t="1921">being the winner</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1922" data-t="1922">and, to earn for a</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1925">32:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Yellow</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1925" data-t="1925">a good fight.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1926" data-t="1926">My parents have taught me to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1929" data-t="1929">extend the hand after the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1931" data-t="1931">the match is done, so I did that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1935" data-t="1935">Other than that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1937" data-t="1937">think</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1938">32:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Yellow</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1938" data-t="1938">are kinda stupid. It's not my thing, but you do you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1941" data-t="1941">I won't judge you. You do yourself.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1944" data-t="1944">Whatever you want.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1946" data-t="1946">So the other guys</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1948" data-t="1948">in their game,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1949" data-t="1949">I guess, the new narrative</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1951">32:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Yellow</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1951" data-t="1951">that yellow,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1953" data-t="1953">was the part without realizing at the first was,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1957" data-t="1957">later on, culture is done, or north culture is in.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1962" data-t="1962">Now</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1965" data-t="1965">name all my friends</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1967" data-t="1967">on quotes,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1969">32:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Yellow</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1969" data-t="1969">and this is gonna be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1971" data-t="1971">the last Maximus</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1972" data-t="1972">I'll take part.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1974" data-t="1974">I wanna do my thing also,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1977" data-t="1977">and I have big plans</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1979" data-t="1979">down the line.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1981">33:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Yellow</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1981" data-t="1981">So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1983" data-t="1983">that's it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1984" data-t="1984">I reject your kind</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1986" data-t="1986">of open mindedness.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1988" data-t="1988">I think it's kinda gay,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1990" data-t="1990">and</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1992">33:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Yellow</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1992" data-t="1992">I feel free</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1993" data-t="1993">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1995" data-t="1995">okay to my closet</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1998" data-t="1998">absolutism.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1999" data-t="1999">So cheers.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2006">33:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2006" data-t="2006">Yellow is always a gentleman at heart.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2009" data-t="2009">But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2011" data-t="2011">Aaron Aaron and Casey also kinda think that ordinals</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2015" data-t="2015">is gay too, so I don't know if they're necessarily I don't know. I don't know. I think there's really not that much They don't they don't call it the turbo bag for no reason. You know?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2026" data-t="2026">Well, heartfelt</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2027" data-t="2027">world words from yellow always speaking from the heart.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2031">33:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2031" data-t="2031">He's he's one of Maxi Matt he's a Maxi Mattis legend. He won the inaugural championship.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2039" data-t="2039">It's it's doing that many DSB</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2042" data-t="2042">spaces,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2043" data-t="2043">three Maxi Madness' in a row.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2047" data-t="2047">It takes a lot it takes a lot out of you.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2052">34:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2052" data-t="2052">Yeah. I can see that. I mean, it's it's hard for me to imagine campaigning, like, the way that I did this time again.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2059" data-t="2059">I really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2060" data-t="2060">I really lost a week of, like, any other productive stuff I could have done,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2065" data-t="2065">working on this Maxi Madness campaign. But, fortunately, it paid off. You know? I think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2070" data-t="2070">I do also wanna wanna just say to the the that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2074" data-t="2074">there's absolutely no way that Casey would have acknowledged or noticed this competition and then, decided to do the turbo flag had it not been for my</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2082">34:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2082" data-t="2082">obsession.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2083" data-t="2083">So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2085" data-t="2085">you know, I'm not mad at the for not voting for me in the end, but I I do feel like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2090" data-t="2090">again, anyone who knows knows that, I was the one who was running the campaign and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2095" data-t="2095">who was who was bringing in the results that the the voters care about. So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2101" data-t="2101">you know, it's fine. I'll just do, like, Hillary Clinton secretary of state to Obama saying this is this is sort of the way for,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2107">35:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2107" data-t="2107">for women, I suppose.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2112">35:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Casey</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2112" data-t="2112">I should, I should dip. It's, time to go to the gym. It's time to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2118" data-t="2118">you know, spark Spartan</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2120" data-t="2120">like, you know, work on my body or whatever after,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2124" data-t="2124">Maxi Madness has, has has challenged my mind.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2128" data-t="2128">But thanks thanks everybody who voted, and, send me your ideas for the turbo flag because god knows I need them.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2136">35:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2136" data-t="2136">He really does.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2142">35:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2142" data-t="2142">Problem,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2143" data-t="2143">what what are you planning to do with</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2146" data-t="2146">the lifetime supply</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2148" data-t="2148">of silt miner tallow soap that is now coming your way for picking the best or the most accurate bracket from Maxi Madness?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2158">35:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2158" data-t="2158">I I I'm honored. I'm flattered.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2161" data-t="2161">I'm already a regular soap soap miner</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2164" data-t="2164">purchaser. They have great fragrances for men and women.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2169" data-t="2169">My wife's a big fan of the Earl Grey one.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2172" data-t="2172">I'm, I I use a lot of the pine tar one and also their redacted one.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2177" data-t="2177">They're they're they're great. It's great soap.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2180">36:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2180" data-t="2180">I saw Evan Kalupis is also giving me an official Zeus wig and hat, and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2186" data-t="2186">Craig at the conference has now told me that I need to wear that when I'm on my panel at the conference. So I'll be sure to get my shipping details</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2194" data-t="2194">to get those in the mail.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2196" data-t="2196">It's funny because I remember right when Maxi Madness was kicking off at the start, I was on a spaces. I post, I posted my bracket and I was talking with Erin, And she she tut tutted me properly saying that how could you think that she wasn't gonna go deeper and that she would lose to Ross?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2211" data-t="2211">And I totally,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2213" data-t="2213">totally miscalculated.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2214">36:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2214" data-t="2214">I thought</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2216" data-t="2216">the Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2217" data-t="2217">like, culture on Twitter</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2219" data-t="2219">had just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2220" data-t="2220">a decades long Pavlovian response of supporting Ross whenever something's happening on the Internet,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2226" data-t="2226">and that did not happen.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2228">37:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2228" data-t="2228">It did not happen at all. And then Aaron went on a deep run. I actually found out about this space originally</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2234" data-t="2234">because Chris Siedor</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2235" data-t="2235">said that I needed to come up here and defend his honor. And if he wanted his honor defended, he maybe he should have tried a little bit harder and won the bracket. You know? And maybe maybe he could have put in a little bit more effort. You know? Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2247" data-t="2247">it was it was all over once he started posting photos of him in the tube top with Aaron. That may or may not had been my idea to start.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2254" data-t="2254">That may not have been me nudging him telling him that that's what he should have done. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2260" data-t="2260">I'm I I also like, I I had a pretty good run. You know, I I got to the sweet 16. I lost to,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2266">37:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2266" data-t="2266">as Casey calls him guacamole zucchini, but Giacomo,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2270" data-t="2270">unblocked me on Twitter maybe, like, three months ago, so I'm eternally grateful already.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2275" data-t="2275">I I I'm pretty proud of my run. I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2278" data-t="2278">it was a good show by everyone. I see I see Mars in the audience. I think Mars should have at least had a play in round. I think the biggest upset of the whole thing was Teddy Bitcoin's fault losing in the play in round. Like, that was a shocking the whole the whole bracket was just wild.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2295" data-t="2295">But great performance by everyone.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2297" data-t="2297">I'm I'm sorry I doubted you, Aaron. You you you crushed it. You you you persevered,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2302">38:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2302" data-t="2302">and you won,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2304" data-t="2304">all the way</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2305" data-t="2305">to the finals. So you took out the PodCon region and the hot region. Well deserved and well earned.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2312">38:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2312" data-t="2312">Thank you. Thank you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2314" data-t="2314">I will say I also kind of underestimated myself because in my bracket, I had myself beating Ross, but then losing to Isabella.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2321" data-t="2321">I thought that people were gonna take the hot category,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2325" data-t="2325">like, very seriously.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2327" data-t="2327">So I thought, okay, I'm obviously a shoo in against a man. But the second that I go up against a woman,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2334" data-t="2334">it's kinda over for me unless, like I mean, in Isabella's case, like, she is</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2339">38:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2339" data-t="2339">she's she's kind of, like, exactly what a Maxie would want. Like, she's, like, living on an island, like, tax haven situation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2347" data-t="2347">and talking about, like, being lonely and wanting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2350" data-t="2350">wanting people to come visit her who are into Bitcoin. You know what I mean? Like, I can't compete with that no matter how many TikTok dances I do.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2359" data-t="2359">So I really thought Isabella was gonna beat Ben. I was shocked when Ben won against</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2364" data-t="2364">Isabella, and then I I figured I'd go out. Justine Harper was sort of like that was that was the first woman that I went against, and I was very scared,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2372" data-t="2372">to go to go against Justine.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2375">39:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2375" data-t="2375">Fortunately, I think at that point, I had built up enough momentum from the really, really aggressive round with Chris that I was able to kinda, like, get carried through,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2385" data-t="2385">just just on, like, kind of the, the hangover from that campaigning strategy from the previous day.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2391">39:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2391" data-t="2391">Karen, do you think that Isabella fell into that category that maybe is the add them back care category where they they just didn't try try and then and then yeah. For sure. For sure. If she had posted even once, I think she would have beaten Ben, and then she could have probably beaten me too.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2407">40:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2407" data-t="2407">So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2408" data-t="2408">what has that done to your psyche? Like, how has it changed to have the free market</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2413" data-t="2413">choose you to be hotter than,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2416" data-t="2416">the tidings of hotness like Justine and Isabella,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2419" data-t="2419">Aaron?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2422">40:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2422" data-t="2422">I mean, I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2424" data-t="2424">Casey Casey remarks almost every single day</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2427" data-t="2427">that I am, like, the least humble person that he knows. I am consistently,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2432" data-t="2432">like, tooting my own horn and celebrating my own accomplishments.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2437" data-t="2437">So, honestly, this is just, like, par for the course</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2440" data-t="2440">for me. This this isn't,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2443">40:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2443" data-t="2443">you know, but I but I will say, like, I I kind of already knew that I was gonna lose to Casey, and so I didn't I didn't, like, put my</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2451" data-t="2451">self worth into that. Like, I know when to kind of, like, pick I know how to pick and choose, like, which things to be competitive in.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2459" data-t="2459">So, you know, I I think it's it's correct for me to win the hot bracket. That doesn't necessarily mean that I'm,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2465" data-t="2465">like, visually speaking, the hottest of all the competitors. I think it's a combination of campaigning</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2471" data-t="2471">and visual appeal.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2472" data-t="2472">And I know that I have the social politics</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2476">41:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2476" data-t="2476">intelligence</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2477" data-t="2477">to be able to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2478" data-t="2478">rally the troops behind me and to create a good social campaign. So I think it's a combination of looks and personality, and I just happen to be the total package.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2489">41:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2489" data-t="2489">Well, I think it also has to do with astrology. I I would consider astrology having been on the ballot, and the voters decided astrology is hot.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2499">41:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2499" data-t="2499">Yeah. I think there's also some people who might fear me as well. And so they may have voted for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2505" data-t="2505">me just because they think maybe Aaron knows if I if they vote against me. You know? So they don't they don't wanna build up that bad karma against me.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2514">41:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Yellow</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2514" data-t="2514">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2515" data-t="2515">Do</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2516">41:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2516" data-t="2516">we anticipate seeing more Bitcoin astrologers now that one Bitcoin astrologer won? Like, is this Rod, do you think there'll be more than one Bitcoin astrologer in next year's, Maxi Madness?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2529">42:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2529" data-t="2529">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2530" data-t="2530">it's it's worth exploring even making that its own region if it becomes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2536" data-t="2536">trendy enough and popular enough. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2539" data-t="2539">this is what I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2541" data-t="2541">the first time we integrated prediction markets.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2545" data-t="2545">And having having astrologers</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2549">42:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2549" data-t="2549">in Maxi Madness mixed with prediction markets,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2552" data-t="2552">that might be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2554" data-t="2554">a a crazy combination because they if they can predict the future,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2558" data-t="2558">it, it completely changes the game theory of Maxi Madness. This year was just the first year that we had it and predicts,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2567" data-t="2567">told me that the Maxi</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2569" data-t="2569">Madness markets have had surpassed</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2571">42:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2571" data-t="2571">more than 1.2</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2573" data-t="2573">Bitcoin with almost a full Bitcoin paid to winners.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2580">43:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2580" data-t="2580">Rob, how much personally do you take credit for some of that?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2584" data-t="2584">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2586" data-t="2586">yeah, maybe fill people in. I I mean, Zaps weren't able to on Nasr, which is awesome, but I heard that prediction markets via Nasr was, like, really, popping off.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2598">43:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2598" data-t="2598">Oh, it was incredible to watch. The the Nasr</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2603" data-t="2603">competition was fierce. There was a lot of excitement.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2606" data-t="2606">There were a lot of sats spent.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2609" data-t="2609">A lot of sats spent.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2611" data-t="2611">We're talking millions of sats.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2615" data-t="2615">And</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2616">43:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2616" data-t="2616">a 16 seed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2618" data-t="2618">won the tournament. Rev Hoddle, absolutely incredible guy. I saw him in the space here, a little bit earlier. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2625" data-t="2625">Yeah. It was fun to watch. It was we didn't know if it was gonna work. I mean, one one of the, you know, the problems with Noster historically</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2632" data-t="2632">is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2633" data-t="2633">that the UX is kinda, you know, less than</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2637" data-t="2637">the best, and it it worked. It worked. And people are excited about it. People had a ton of time to go on. But For those that for those that don't know, can you explain that there was, like, actually a different,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2650">44:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2650" data-t="2650">competition going on? Like, a kind of, like, a separate but equal, but or, like, apartheid</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2654" data-t="2654">type situation.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2657" data-t="2657">And then, like, who was in that? People that aren't Nostra are not on Nostra may not know about this at all.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2664">44:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2664" data-t="2664">Yeah. It's, you know, the world of Nostra is completely different than the world of Twitter. They they have their own culture. They have their own,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2674" data-t="2674">so to say influencers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2676" data-t="2676">and, you know, celebrities,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2678" data-t="2678">it's very, like, developer focused.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2681" data-t="2681">In in many ways, it's kind of like a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2684" data-t="2684">a galt's gulch of of Bitcoin</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2687">44:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2687" data-t="2687">culture where, you know, it's individuals that don't really want to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2691" data-t="2691">participate in the the pit, and they're just kinda wanting to hang out with people that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2697" data-t="2697">you know, do things similar to them.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2701" data-t="2701">But yeah. I mean, I think most of the people looking at the Nasr bracket have no idea. You know, Tonebase didn't know anybody</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2709">45:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2709" data-t="2709">in this Maxi Madness bracket, which just kinda goes to show how to how out of touch he is with, Who who is Tone Vaze? Like, I've never even seen that profile before. You see what I just did there? You see how they just keep, they do that over and over again. But that actually is serious. I don't know who Tone Vaz is, and I was confused.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2726" data-t="2726">Is he pro BIP one ten or anti BIP one ten? Because I saw BIP one ten people being mad at him. He he's very anti BIP one ten.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2735" data-t="2735">Okay. So he's politically homeless.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2738">45:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2738" data-t="2738">Yeah. He he's like an old he's a very old school podcaster.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2742" data-t="2742">I I think he's an important one for you to know and just understanding,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2746" data-t="2746">broader Bitcoin culture. But he is a guy that has obviously been resting on his credentials and is out</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2752" data-t="2752">of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2753" data-t="2753">touch. But he organized a conference,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2755" data-t="2755">has been a long time podcaster,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2757">45:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2757" data-t="2757">likes to, you know, do trading stuff. He's one of the, you know, old school, like, this is how you trade Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2764" data-t="2764">people.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2765" data-t="2765">So, you know, Matthew Kratter, you know, kinda looked at tone base and built off of his model.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2773">46:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2773" data-t="2773">But I mean, you say you say that I should know these people, but I literally have asked Casey things on the podcast. Like, who is Marc Andreessen? Is he the guy who's, like, a VC with an egghead?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2783" data-t="2783">Like, it's, or Gavin Gavin, Mark, whichever one. Again, like, literally, this is the level. I got into Bitcoin post COVID. So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2791" data-t="2791">you know, it's 2026.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2793" data-t="2793">I've I've been in Bitcoin for over five years now, but I think, the old heads really just have this, like, nostalgia for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2801" data-t="2801">you know, it's like it's like when grandpa tells you stories from the war. You know what I mean? And you're like, wow. You have PTSD from Vietnam,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2808" data-t="2808">and you are stuck in, like, a version of reality that no longer exists.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2812">46:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2812" data-t="2812">I feel like that's kind of what's happened in in Bitcoin maxi realm. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2816" data-t="2816">for some reason, they can't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2818" data-t="2818">break out of it or or, like, there's no wake up call that will</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2823" data-t="2823">present itself to them and make them realize, like, wait. Maybe</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2827" data-t="2827">maybe it actually isn't that the newcomers need to educate themselves on how important I am. It's like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2833" data-t="2833">maybe you aren't as important anymore, and you're not as relevant anymore. And it's it's okay for a new wave to come in that has their own</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2841">47:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2841" data-t="2841">interests, their own</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2843" data-t="2843">perspective.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2845" data-t="2845">Actually, kind of speaking to that point, in terms of a astrology bracket and maxi madness,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2851" data-t="2851">I think you could do an astrology</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2853" data-t="2853">fourth turning bracket because there's a lot of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2856" data-t="2856">influencers in Bitcoin world</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2858">47:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2858" data-t="2858">that are doing astrology. But because they're men, they don't say that. They instead say that they believe in the fourth turning or they say that they believe in the Ray Dalio cycle of empire rise and decline.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2870" data-t="2870">All of these things are based on astrology. Like, they literally are astrological</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2874" data-t="2874">cycles, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2875" data-t="2875">it's not like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2877" data-t="2877">it it wouldn't work for their audience for them to say that, so they instead use these other terms. But I think you could easily fill out a bracket. Like, Lawrence Lepard is a fourth turning guy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2887" data-t="2887">There's obviously, like, a couple Bitcoin astrologers you could throw in there. There's a Bitcoin astrology panel happening happening at the, Vegas Conference this year, so I think that's the first time we're getting that. So I would say fourth turning</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2899">48:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2899" data-t="2899">astrology,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2900" data-t="2900">that could be an interesting bracket to to put in next year.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2904">48:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2904" data-t="2904">Well, unfortunately,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2905" data-t="2905">Aaron, we're in the first turning now.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2908" data-t="2908">So that ship's kinda sailed. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2912" data-t="2912">yeah. I don't know. I mean, it's an interesting I I I think it's helpful</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2916" data-t="2916">to to understand history or else history,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2919" data-t="2919">you know, tends to repeat itself. It's this is one of the common things where the playoffs don't read history and then they continue to</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2927">48:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2927" data-t="2927">repeat the same or, you know, kinda old boring arguments that have already happened.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2933" data-t="2933">So I I do think it's helpful to know who Tone Face is, you know, for that reason because, you know, Tone's been having</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2941" data-t="2941">a lot of the arguments for years that that many people are rehashing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2945" data-t="2945">So you could you could skip a lot of, headaches if you if you just have a little bit of a historical reference of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2952" data-t="2952">you know, what's going on. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2954" data-t="2954">at the same time,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2956">49:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2956" data-t="2956">you know, you bring up a very good point, which is that many of these people that have been around for a while, they have just rested on their credentials. They're they're failing to continue to learn.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2967" data-t="2967">They don't have enough entropy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2969" data-t="2969">in their, podcast listening,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2972" data-t="2972">if they even listen to podcasts. Like, I mean, you just look at how stupid everything mister Hoddle says all the time. Like, that guy obviously doesn't listen to podcasts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2981" data-t="2981">He has no idea what's going on.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2984" data-t="2984">And it's just a it's a shame that people embarrass themselves</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2988">49:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2988" data-t="2988">so, regularly on the timeline. Like, I don't know how in 2026</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2993" data-t="2993">you don't know who Aaron and Casey are. You don't know who Hal Money is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2998" data-t="2998">and you don't understand the importance of the most important election</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3002" data-t="3002">of our lifetimes.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3005">50:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3005" data-t="3005">Yeah. I I feel like ignorance is not something that people should be proud of. Like, I'm not necessarily</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3012" data-t="3012">proud of the fact that I don't know who Gavin Andreessen is. It's more that I say it because I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3017" data-t="3017">it's funny, and it's interesting also to see that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3022" data-t="3022">I don't know. That that, like, there are just, like, there are different perspectives in Bitcoin that exist. And so if I have to, like, put myself on the chopping block to show my ignorance in order to, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3032" data-t="3032">not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3033" data-t="3033">just promote this idea that everyone has all the same cultural references and everyone has all the same perspective,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3039">50:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3039" data-t="3039">I will do it. And I think that's kind of what Hell Money ends up being. Like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3043" data-t="3043">the basic premise for Hell Money is that Casey's the expert and I'm the interviewer.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3047" data-t="3047">It has completely gone off the rails since that initial premise but that was the initial idea is that Casey is this expert on Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3056" data-t="3056">and I'm asking him questions that I think the audience would want to know and that I wanna know. And so, you know, with that, I feel like I kind of I think at one point, I asked him if smart contracts are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3067" data-t="3067">executed by lawyers. Like, do you need a lawyer to make a smart contract? Like, shit like that. You know?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3072" data-t="3072">So I try to just kind of, like, go for it, but I but I I do find it really interesting that</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3078">51:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3078" data-t="3078">a lot of the maxis are sort of flaunting their ignorance in a way that's like, there is no educational</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3083" data-t="3083">purpose. Like, they're not like, oh, who who is Casey Rodemore or Aaron Redwing? What are ordinals? I've never heard of these things. I would really love</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3091" data-t="3091">to know about this. Like, they're flaunting their ignorance as if it's a trophy or a prize in and of itself, and they have no interest in educating themselves. So it's like I don't know. It's kind of interesting to see that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3102" data-t="3102">that sort of meme play out. And so when Tone Velez says that he hasn't heard of Casey, I just kind of don't believe it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3109" data-t="3109">Not that I think he should have heard of me, but it's like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3112" data-t="3112">Casey was everywhere, like, for, like, a year or two. I don't know. I I just I don't buy that. It just feels like he's kind of he's regurgitating</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3120">51:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3120" data-t="3120">language that he's heard other people say that for some reason he thinks</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3124" data-t="3124">makes him seem cool, and it it doesn't. You know?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3128">52:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3128" data-t="3128">Oh, I don't think any of us on stage think tone bass is cool.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3133" data-t="3133">Yeah. It's it's productive to play the bit. And I I think, you know, a lot of the individuals</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3140" data-t="3140">that are around</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3141" data-t="3141">these days, many of them got their education from Peter McCormick.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3146" data-t="3146">Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3147" data-t="3147">And so they they think and they they talk like Peter did. And, like, part of what made Peter such a great interview</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3154">52:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3154" data-t="3154">was that he played the bit of being uninformed.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3158" data-t="3158">But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3159" data-t="3159">you know, because he's so</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3162" data-t="3162">prominent, like, a lot of individuals thought that he was setting the example for how to be,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3168" data-t="3168">which is coming off as being uninformed. And so they thought it was appropriate, like, okay. The biggest podcaster in the world doesn't know what an expub is.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3176" data-t="3176">I don't have to either,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3179">52:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3179" data-t="3179">you know, so I can go out there. I mean, you look at, like, Huddlnot. He's, like, the perfect example of somebody like this that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3187" data-t="3187">is unironically</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3188" data-t="3188">being Peter McCormick.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3192">53:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3192" data-t="3192">Yeah. That's that's a good point.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3195" data-t="3195">I mean, I think that's also, like, the monetary</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3197" data-t="3197">kind of macro econ guys kind of took over as well. Right? It's like they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3204" data-t="3204">I I do think it's very effective to use these kind of analogies. Like, Bitcoin is literally a battery. Bitcoin literally converts energy into currency. Like, that speaks to the plebs because it's so simple and it just, like, scratches your brain.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3219" data-t="3219">And I think that that sort of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3222" data-t="3222">like it kind of ends up being, like, an alternative history kind of rhetoric. And by the way, big enjoyer of Atlanta of, you know, alternative history Atlantis was totally real. But, like, those types of things just, like,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3232">53:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3232" data-t="3232">captivate people's minds. And so they don't actually ever have to learn about how Bitcoin works because, like, they're not even interacting with Bitcoin. They're just, like, DCA ing on Swan.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3242" data-t="3242">So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3243" data-t="3243">I feel like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3244" data-t="3244">yeah it's it's like it's the Peter McCormick kind of effect like that sort of podcaster style of like I don't know anything. I'm gonna interview</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3252" data-t="3252">all of my guests like I don't know anything and I'll never learn and I'll never</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3256" data-t="3256">come up with new information or my own insights. I'll just keep being a blank slate over and over and over again for these people to put their messages out. But then I think it's also the messages themselves that, like, the messages that came out were these, like,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3267">54:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3267" data-t="3267">very dumbed down</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3269" data-t="3269">kind of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3270" data-t="3270">delicious</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3271" data-t="3271">metaphors that make Bitcoin into something that, like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3275" data-t="3275">you know, it's it's like not even really getting at what Bitcoin really is. It's kind of just like dumbing it down so that you just, like, can tell yourself that you're a genius for getting into it first.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3284">54:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3284" data-t="3284">The the technical</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3286" data-t="3286">definition of what you're describing, it's it's called pep slop.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3291">54:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3291" data-t="3291">I need to be very careful because I'm actually in Bedford right now, the Bitcoin capital of the world for Peter McCormick's conference cheat code in The UK.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3299" data-t="3299">So if I speak illy of him, his his his goons, the police force, are gonna be right outside my door.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3306" data-t="3306">So I just need to come out and say that Peter McCormick is the best Bitcoin podcaster that's ever done it. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3312" data-t="3312">I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3315" data-t="3315">I I think he does great work, and I I hope he comes back to Bitcoin soon.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3319" data-t="3319">I I don't want to I like, I'm in Bedford. Like, I'm I'm I'm behind enemy lines. Like, they will extract me out. I I'm I will have to explain to what Peter what an x pub is. Like, it's gonna be like a a tortured prison sentence.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3330">55:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rob</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3330" data-t="3330">So I I wanna be very careful.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3333" data-t="3333">I don't think anything you want me to share with him, I can go tell him at dinner tonight your your thoughts and opinions.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3338">55:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3338" data-t="3338">I don't think anybody spoke ill of, Peter. I I think you're misunderstanding</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3342" data-t="3342">what was said.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3346">55:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3346" data-t="3346">Also,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3347" data-t="3347">Erin, you've been a guest on that show. No? No. No. No. Casey's been on,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3351">55:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3351" data-t="3351">What Bitcoin did, but oh, no. I was on the table with you. Wow. With Danny Knowles, not with Peter McCormick. Peter McCormick,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3360" data-t="3360">like, I I think was he I don't know if he was Swan podcast industrial complex or what, but, like, someone clearly told him that he needed to be anti ordinals because when he had Casey on,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3370" data-t="3370">I mean, it's, like, the most absurd interview. See, I'll talk shit about Peter McCormick now that I know that Rob is behind enemy lines and that they're gonna execute</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3377" data-t="3377">him.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3378" data-t="3378">Yeah. When Casey went on Peter McCormick show, like, a couple years ago, it was so crazy. Like, I encourage anyone who's interested in this topic of this kind of cultural divide to watch that episode because Casey answers every question with, like, complete,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3391" data-t="3391">like, knowledge, technical efficiency,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3393">56:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3393" data-t="3393">like, just kinda gets to the point and, like, answers everything honestly. And about an hour in, you can just see Peter McCormick. Like, he literally says something like, I'm trying to think of anything that I can say against you. Like, he's literally, like, stirring his brain, trying to come up with anything that he can say. And then at the end, after this, like, very,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3412" data-t="3412">like, honest,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3414" data-t="3414">easy you know, it's not like Casey's defensive about ordinals. If you ask Casey about ordinals,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3418" data-t="3418">like, he's he's not into it. He doesn't even, like, trade inscriptions. Like, he he's not like a shitcoiner at all.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3427" data-t="3427">I think, like, it's like at the end Peter's like, yeah. Well, I don't know if I have enough information to make up my mind at the end of this. Like, it just seems really clear to me that he had some sort of agenda pushed on to him for some reason, and I don't know</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3439">57:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3439" data-t="3439">why or who, but that that's kind of my shit talking on Peter. But Peter has done a service in in that he's just gotten out of the game. You know what I mean? He, like, has clearly realized he was out of his depths and that he should just talk about, like, UK cultural issues instead, which I think is probably a better market for him.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3462">57:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3462" data-t="3462">Well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3463" data-t="3463">yeah. And and, yeah, I again, we don't need to dig up all this history, but I do remember listening to Casey on Citadel Dispatch, which is, like, a super,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3473" data-t="3473">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3474" data-t="3474">of the culture,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3476" data-t="3476">Matt Odell,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3478" data-t="3478">podcast. I remember those days. But yeah. Okay. So,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3482">58:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3482" data-t="3482">Bugle,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3483" data-t="3483">I'm throwing it to you as we wind this this time down.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3487" data-t="3487">What do you expect from</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3489" data-t="3489">the the next year?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3490" data-t="3490">Any parting words about this year? Aaron,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3493" data-t="3493">Aaron, Casey,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3495">58:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3495" data-t="3495">hell money.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3496" data-t="3496">Appreciate everything you brought to this and and, like, taking it serious.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3500" data-t="3500">I I hope for more cringe. Honestly, I want more cringe next year. I</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3505">58:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3505" data-t="3505">next year, I have no idea what to expect. It all just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3509" data-t="3509">when it when the time comes,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3512" data-t="3512">the brackets,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3513" data-t="3513">the matchups, the regions, it just comes to you. And I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3517" data-t="3517">part of the reason Casey won this year</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3520" data-t="3520">is because the the secret</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3522">58:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3522" data-t="3522">to Maxi Madness is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3524" data-t="3524">don't overthink it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3526" data-t="3526">Don't overthink it. Just let the just enjoy the ride on the plug slot</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3531" data-t="3531">popularity contest.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3535">58:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3535" data-t="3535">I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3537" data-t="3537">have no idea what to expect, and I don't even wanna think about it. I think we put everything out on the court,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3544" data-t="3544">for this year. I think both of us are just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3547" data-t="3547">completely tapped out energy wise.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3551" data-t="3551">Gonna have a nice relaxing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3553" data-t="3553">weekend,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3555">59:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3555" data-t="3555">enjoy you know, smell the roses,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3559" data-t="3559">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3560" data-t="3560">listen to Bitcoin podcast. I mean, it's just,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3564" data-t="3564">there there's a lot of things on the horizon. The the next big thing for us is going to be the Las Vegas event that we're excited. We're gonna be partnering with Pub Key and Rabbit Hole Recap</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3575" data-t="3575">to do an event there. So anybody in the audience, tell all your friends. Make sure to show up because I'm sure,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3582" data-t="3582">it's gonna be a very popular event, and there's limited space,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3585">59:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3585" data-t="3585">to be there. I'm very excited about that. There's gonna be a Noster event.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3589" data-t="3589">That'll be a lot of fun. We'll have some awesome musical performances there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3594" data-t="3594">I mean, that's all I really could think about is just living in the moment, living life one Bitcoin podcast at a time.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3601">1:00:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3601" data-t="3601">Yeah. Speaking of living life one Bitcoin podcast at a time, the, the Hell Money podcast episode just dropped, and I've, pinned it to the top of the space. So if you are someone who did not know who me or Casey were before, Maxi Madness where you had never listened to How Many podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3616" data-t="3616">the episode that we just posted is Casey and I.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3620" data-t="3620">It's so demoralized.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3622" data-t="3622">Like, we are at, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3624" data-t="3624">max pain because we</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3627" data-t="3627">this was filmed, like, right after they rejected the ordinals bit.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3631">1:00:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3631" data-t="3631">And so, like, we're completely defeated in this episode. But I think I think we get at some interesting you know, of course, we talk about the Epstein files,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3638" data-t="3638">because that's always relevant to things relating to Bitcoin core and the BIP process.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3644" data-t="3644">And, yeah, it's a pretty good episode. So if you're, if you're trying to keep the Bitcoin podcasting vibes going,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3649" data-t="3649">go check that out.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3651">1:00:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3651" data-t="3651">I heard Brian Bishop's thinking about reopening,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3655">1:00:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3655" data-t="3655">the the bibs since Casey's victory. Yeah. I think that was a stipulation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3659" data-t="3659">from Maxi Madness was that Luke, if he didn't win, it was gonna have the, or I guess, Dathan. Dathan didn't win. I don't even think he made it out of his first bracket. So I think they have to close the the BIP one ten PR, and then I think they have to reopen</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3674" data-t="3674">the ordinals BIP and give it a number.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3679">1:01:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3679" data-t="3679">I was a little disappointed in Gloria's performance.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3683" data-t="3683">I I, I thought I thought that could've gone better. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3687" data-t="3687">yeah, Hell Money podcast is a fantastic podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3691" data-t="3691">And, if you're a subscriber to it, you get in on,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3694" data-t="3694">what is always a very funny and entertaining,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3698" data-t="3698">members,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3700">1:01:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3700" data-t="3700">Twitter space. So highly recommend it. Bugle, good luck in Las Vegas.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3706" data-t="3706">Aaron, thank you for bringing it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3708" data-t="3708">I expected nothing less out of you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3711" data-t="3711">Yeah. Tommy, thank you for, the time you put into the the award. It really nailed the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3717" data-t="3717">the vibe, I think.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3719" data-t="3719">And, you know, actually, one more thing, Bugle. The level of production this year was fantastic. I don't know if you've been complimented enough on that, but it really was, like, an incredible</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3729">1:02:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3729" data-t="3729">step up. So, cheers to you guys. But, thanks to everybody.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3734" data-t="3734">Winners, sorry we didn't get to see,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3736" data-t="3736">you naked. That was a real bummer.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3739">1:02:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Erin</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3739" data-t="3739">Erin Erin, congratulations on hotness. You know? It's a thing. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks to the Bugle guys for doing this. I feel like this was a,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3749" data-t="3749">it's a fun opportunity to bring the whole community together. And, I made I made plenty of friends along the way, so I'm very grateful to that.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3760">1:02:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3760" data-t="3760">The friends you make along the way. That's the truth. Bugle, take us out. Thank you,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3765">1:02:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3765" data-t="3765">guys for having us on. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3768" data-t="3768">Tommy, if you're still listening or around,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3771" data-t="3771">thank you for that wonderful,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3773" data-t="3773">piece of artwork. You are truly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3776" data-t="3776">one of the greatest Bitcoin artists of all time.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3780">1:02:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3780" data-t="3780">And if you are still in line to vote for Aaron, stay in line.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3790">1:03:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3790" data-t="3790">Thanks, everybody. See you all in Vegas next month. Use code x 10 for 10% off. See you.</span></span></p>