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There is war on the horizon.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-89" data-t="89">People are arguing about relay policy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-92" data-t="92">Many faithful are losing hope that president Trump will pump our meme coins and usher in the God candle.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-100">1:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-100" data-t="100">But church,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-101" data-t="101">you do not need to wait for the God candle to have good vibes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-105" data-t="105">Let us reject temptation to be grumpy. The world needs a good vibes revival, so let us start here today on the first day of October.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-115" data-t="115">Now church, let's sing and usher the good vibe revival into</span> <span class="cue" id="t-120" data-t="120">this world here and now.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-125">2:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-125" data-t="125">The weight of the world tests my faith.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-130" data-t="130">I try to repent, but it feels too</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-180">3:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-180" data-t="180">Summer is over.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-182" data-t="182">It's officially</span> <span class="cue" id="t-183" data-t="183">October.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-184" data-t="184">The season of pressing up in costumes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-187" data-t="187">to celebrate green candles</span> <span class="cue" id="t-189" data-t="189">and slurp down pumpkin spice plevsla.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-192">3:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-192" data-t="192">But Sohner 2024,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-195" data-t="195">best known for being paper Bitcoin summer,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-198" data-t="198">was all about vibes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-201" data-t="201">Nobody understands vibes better than the capitalist Bitcoin pioneers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-205" data-t="205">who branded them, monetized them, and sold them at Vibes Capital Management.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-211" data-t="211">Influencers,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-212">3:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-212" data-t="212">Suiccoiners,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-213" data-t="213">and podcasters headlined Paper Bitcoin Summer</span> <span class="cue" id="t-216" data-t="216">draped in the hottest vibes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-219" data-t="219">Vibes Capital Management was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-221" data-t="221">at one time growing faster than Fleneter's paper Bitcoin mute list on Twitter.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-227" data-t="227">And then the rainy weather washed out the summer,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-229">3:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-229" data-t="229">and the vibe seemed to dampen.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-233" data-t="233">There's no better time for a great vibes revival</span> <span class="cue" id="t-237" data-t="237">in October.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-239" data-t="239">All time highs in USDT</span> <span class="cue" id="t-242" data-t="242">and vibes are just a few sailor pumps away in We're Here</span> <span class="cue" id="t-246" data-t="246">with Walker from the Tick Fike podcast</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-249">4:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-249" data-t="249">to talk about the return of the Vibes bull market.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-254" data-t="254">Feels like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-255" data-t="255">we just did this yesterday, Walker. How's it how's it going?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-260">4:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-260" data-t="260">It's it's it's going great. It's nice to be on the other side of the microphone with you guys. Even though I guess we're all still on the same side of the microphone.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-267" data-t="267">So</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-270">4:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-270" data-t="270">That's right. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-272" data-t="272">if you don't know what he's talking about, we were just on his podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-276" data-t="276">the TikTok podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-278" data-t="278">last week or so. It came out Monday, though.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-283" data-t="283">Fantastic. But we talked about plex we already talked about the plex slap. We already got the the pumpkin spice. And, but we didn't talk</span> <span class="cue" id="t-290" data-t="290">too much about the vibes. We just talked about the the strength of the vibes in the vibes group chat.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-298">4:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-298" data-t="298">How's everybody feel and how is the, paper bitcoin summer? How how is everybody's paper Bitcoin summer over at Vibes?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-306">5:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-306" data-t="306">Well, I think some some people's paper Bitcoin summers were better than others.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-311" data-t="311">You know, it's funny because everybody assumes that, like, if you're a podcaster, if you're a Bitcoin podcaster,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-316" data-t="316">you must have been let in on like all of these pipe deals.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-320" data-t="320">I didn't even know what a pipe deal was. I thought a pipe deal was something totally different and I had to Google it and be like okay better go in a you know secure browser for this. Apparently it's it's it's not what I thought it was.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-332" data-t="332">But you know, as a podcaster, people just assume you get invited to these things, and the reality is that you don't. And people assume that people make a lot of assumptions about podcasters.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-342" data-t="342">And really at the end of the day, it's like, boy, it's it's a slog out here to be a podcaster. Not only do you have to struggle to try and find a sponsor,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-351">5:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-351" data-t="351">to try and, you know, get invited to these pipe deals, but you usually fail at both. I didn't really try to get invited to any pipe deals. It just wasn't. You know, I thought that my card carrying PodConf approved,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-361" data-t="361">status would allow me to get access to these to these paper Bitcoin deals. It didn't. So, I mean, personally,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-367" data-t="367">I don't know what I'm paying dues for at this point to PodConf. It's just a little confusing.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-373">6:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-373" data-t="373">Totally.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-374" data-t="374">A lot of people have been wondering what whatever happened to Vimes Capital. I know we discussed this. It sounds like Vimes Capital still thing. The social presence has</span> <span class="cue" id="t-384" data-t="384">fallen off.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-386" data-t="386">What it seems like is Vibes Capital was kinda like the minor leagues, getting people that were really talented and skilled, prepared for the big time,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-395" data-t="395">working for a paper Bitcoin company. So, you know, famously, Lubbka,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-400" data-t="400">you know, one of the biggest members of, Vibes Capital,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-404">6:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-404" data-t="404">went and started working for NACA</span> <span class="cue" id="t-406" data-t="406">and kinda used that as his launch.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-410" data-t="410">Do you have plans</span> <span class="cue" id="t-411" data-t="411">yourself to be a podcaster for a paper Bitcoin company, or</span> <span class="cue" id="t-416" data-t="416">are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-417" data-t="417">you happy and satisfied with your role at Vibes Capital?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-420">7:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-420" data-t="420">You know, I'm I'm pretty happy to be just,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-424" data-t="424">to be just selling vibes, you know, because you can't you can't sell paper vibes. Right? The vibes have to be the the original bearer instrument.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-433" data-t="433">And I think that's a powerful thing. So for me, it's like, am I looking for a, you know, podcaster in chief role</span> <span class="cue" id="t-440" data-t="440">at one of these paper Bitcoin companies? I I am not.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-443" data-t="443">I like to be a free agent, to be honest with you. I I wouldn't want, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-448" data-t="448">I wouldn't want to sell out the tit coin brand. Right? And I know that, you know, probably if one of these companies did end up approaching me, you know what the first thing they do is? They'd say, we like the show, but you gotta take the tit coin part out.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-461">7:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-461" data-t="461">And I think there's just fundamentally there's a lot of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-465" data-t="465">there's a lot of anti,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-467" data-t="467">a lot of anti tit hate out there, which is strange. It's strange. I I've actually I've I've, lost out on sponsorships because of this because they were like, you're just a bit too edgy and you got tit in the name.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-477" data-t="477">And I'm like, good. You know what that name is there for? First of all, it's hilarious.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-482" data-t="482">Duh.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-483" data-t="483">Second,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-484">8:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-484" data-t="484">it's a filter. Because if you can't take a good tit pun</span> <span class="cue" id="t-488" data-t="488">about Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-489" data-t="489">then what are we even doing here? What are we</span> <span class="cue" id="t-492" data-t="492">my wife came up with tit coin, and you know what she has?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-496" data-t="496">Tits.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-497" data-t="497">So don't come here and try to moralize to me about how having tit in the name of your podcast and your podcast handle is somehow inappropriate.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-505">8:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-505" data-t="505">What I think is inappropriate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-507" data-t="507">is really just denigrating the role that tits have played in all of our lives. Because you know what? Everybody either loves tits, has tits, or grew up sucking on tits.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-517" data-t="517">Name someone who didn't or doesn't, you know? And that's what I'd like to say.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-522">8:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-522" data-t="522">I don't think Matthew Crowder likes tits pretty much.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-527">8:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-527" data-t="527">You You know it's also it's also it also</span> <span class="cue" id="t-531" data-t="531">it's also making a statement right? Like if you have a controversial</span> <span class="cue" id="t-537" data-t="537">podcast where you talk about tits,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-541" data-t="541">it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-542" data-t="542">it makes a statement for the hardware wallet to say</span> <span class="cue" id="t-546" data-t="546">we don't, if you don't like tits we don't want you to use our hardware wallet. And it's like, dude, that's the hardware wallet that supports tits.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-554">9:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-554" data-t="554">That's a differentiator. You know what I mean? Like, it it people don't just care</span> <span class="cue" id="t-560" data-t="560">about the open source or, like, how you put together your hardware wallet or if it's air gap. They care about the community, and they wanna they wanna transact adversarially with people who are not afraid of tits.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-571">9:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-571" data-t="571">Everybody always says we need more women in Bitcoin. Right? Well, you know what women have, guys? They have tits. So, you know, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-580" data-t="580">at least, unless you're one of those, you know, those loony tunes who thinks that men can I'm sure men can have man</span> <span class="cue" id="t-587" data-t="587">boobs, but but not tits. Like, let's leave the tits for the women. Let's let's try not to to male feminize our way, out of women being the ones that have tits, and let's support that. And if we want more women in Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-599" data-t="599">we need to be more tit inclusive not tit exclusive I think.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-604">10:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-604" data-t="604">It's also you know it is coincidental usually the guys who are the most,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-610" data-t="610">critical</span> <span class="cue" id="t-611" data-t="611">about tits in Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-613" data-t="613">are the guys who have the biggest tits in Bitcoin they just don't want the competition for the big tits in Bitcoin like some, they like some like, you know</span> <span class="cue" id="t-621" data-t="621">I love him J. W. Weatherman</span> <span class="cue" id="t-624" data-t="624">he's very anti tit</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-626">10:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-626" data-t="626">but he's also the big he's like the biggest boob in Bitcoin, so it's it's kinda hypocritical.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-631">10:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-631" data-t="631">It's it's it's sad to see when people have this, and it's like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-636" data-t="636">I I I don't know what happened during your early childhood development or or what,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-640" data-t="640">you know, what woman hurt you at some point, but, like, it'll be okay, bud. Just just go touch some grass and just remember tits are a nurturing thing. Right? They're they're givers of life.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-652" data-t="652">Let's not, you know, let's not chase them away. Let's embrace them.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-658">10:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-658" data-t="658">Yeah. I mean, for these companies that aren't sponsoring you for that, it seems like a tactical mistake because look at Sydney Sweeney and how her tits came onto the scene.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-668">11:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-668" data-t="668">Maybe they just don't wanna be associated with being fascist, Like, boobs are fascist now, or at least nice ones are. But who knows? Yeah. Yeah. I think I think that's the key. They have to be nice to be fascist. Like, nobody is saying that, you know, the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-682" data-t="682">the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-683" data-t="683">Ozempic meeting,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-685" data-t="685">you know, blue haired tits are are somehow fascist. Like, those are obviously communist tits. I think Yeah. We we can all we all know a communist tit when we see one. You know what I mean? Like, Greg Foss tits are communist tits for sure.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-699" data-t="699">I don't know about that, but I I do love old old Fosse. I I I miss his energy. You know? I miss I miss his unbridled</span> <span class="cue" id="t-707" data-t="707">energy,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-708">11:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-708" data-t="708">and and his love of Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-709" data-t="709">We we need more of that energy, just pure. Less of the, you know, whiny little bitch energy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-715" data-t="715">and more just like go fuck yourself energy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-718" data-t="718">Whether whether who cares where those go fuck yourselves are flying? Just let the g f y's fly and let the sats flow.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-726">12:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-726" data-t="726">Yeah. You know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-727" data-t="727">I'll say this about Fawcett. But what I the way I tell people, you know, if they're being critical or they're nagging me about something, I say, I don't care about your opinion on this matter. If you haven't listened to forty hours of Bitcoin podcast per week, you're just not at my level. Hey it's like seeing with Grey he's like if you haven't sat in the risk chair I don't want to hear it and he's y'all</span> <span class="cue" id="t-748" data-t="748">the hope he comes back and then she dragged no we had some tough and fastens but that's what happens when you sit in the risk chair</span> <span class="cue" id="t-755" data-t="755">and and you're like the man in the arena it's like the man in the studio</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-759">12:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-759" data-t="759">you know you either sit in the wrist chair or you sit in the cuck chair which one do you want</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-763">12:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-763" data-t="763">exactly and you know coincidentally yesterday</span> <span class="cue" id="t-767" data-t="767">the secretary of war Pete Hegseth he told</span> <span class="cue" id="t-771" data-t="771">America's generals</span> <span class="cue" id="t-773" data-t="773">that you don't have no more man tits in the army no more non binary</span> <span class="cue" id="t-778" data-t="778">green green beret army rangers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-780" data-t="780">it is we're going back to you a certain you know</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-784">13:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-784" data-t="784">gotta have some order some discipline some you gotta look hot and we gotta focus on hot tips that's what we gotta focus on.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-792">13:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-792" data-t="792">Yeah I agree and I I thought that was hilarious too like basically just being like you guys gotta stop being quit being so fat. You know? Like and and and we really should. Like, you you're gonna go into the fourth turning</span> <span class="cue" id="t-805" data-t="805">as just a fat lard?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-808" data-t="808">What?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-809" data-t="809">Like, no. No. That's not a fourth turning body. That's I I or maybe it is, actually. But, like, you're not the one coming out the other side of that turning. You know what I mean? Not not with those man boobs. That's for sure.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-823">13:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-823" data-t="823">So one thing one thing I wanna know about you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-828" data-t="828">you started podcasting, I believe, in 2023.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-831" data-t="831">So right around a similar time that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-834" data-t="834">Bugle launched.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-836" data-t="836">I don't have an exact date on when you started, but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-840" data-t="840">what what were your motivations to get into podcasting? You you came</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-844">14:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-844" data-t="844">in during a bear market,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-847" data-t="847">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-848" data-t="848">the vibes were, you know, relatively low. Some podcasters</span> <span class="cue" id="t-852" data-t="852">from the last cycle that were really notorious</span> <span class="cue" id="t-857" data-t="857">dropped off and and you really, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-860" data-t="860">stepped into the void and, became</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-862">14:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-862" data-t="862">a relatively big podcaster with a, you know, influential voice in the ecosystem. What what was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-869" data-t="869">your inspiration to start podcasting about Bitcoin?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-873">14:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-873" data-t="873">Well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-874" data-t="874">I guess it was,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-876" data-t="876">like, the the reason for doing it was because we stopped, my,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-880" data-t="880">smoking hot wife and I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-882" data-t="882">stopped making short form content, for which we were primarily known,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-888" data-t="888">when she got pregnant or what a couple months into her being pregnant. She was she's the one who did all the all the cool editing stuff, the final cuts and all those things. And she was the one who did the singing. Like, I was just I was just the face,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-899">14:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-899" data-t="899">just, a little bit of the the voice,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-903" data-t="903">and and help him with the script writing. And so she was doing the lion's share of the work, and she was like, I I don't wanna do this anymore. I'm I'm pregnant. Like, I'm I'm done doing stuff. I was like, I fully support that. And so what is a man to do? What is a man to do to be able to step into his new role as not just a husband but as a father to prepare for that? And what kind of what kind of example do you want to set for your future child, for your future son?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-928" data-t="928">Well, what better example to set than to be a Bitcoin podcaster,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-933" data-t="933">really? And so that's exactly what I did. I just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-937" data-t="937">just started making Bitcoin podcasts. I think it was around August</span> <span class="cue" id="t-940" data-t="940">2023.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-942">15:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-942" data-t="942">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-943" data-t="943">you know, like, you guys know this, that it's a slog</span> <span class="cue" id="t-946" data-t="946">at first trying to get people to, you know I I didn't even start publishing video at first. I was just doing the RSS feed because I was like, it's a it's a podcast. Like, it's not supposed to have video. Like and then I, apparently,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-959" data-t="959">I never watched podcasts on YouTube, like, at all. I thought I was, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-964" data-t="964">kinda lame.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-965" data-t="965">I would just listen to them.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-966">16:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-966" data-t="966">You know, that's how I get my forty hours per week audio only, and I just assume most people did that. It turns out most people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-972" data-t="972">watch video, which is, like, kind of, like, shocking. So I was like, oh, better start doing this as video.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-978" data-t="978">And did that, but it's a it's a slog to to grow these channels, to grow these</span> <span class="cue" id="t-984" data-t="984">streams.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-985" data-t="985">But for me, the goal was always</span> <span class="cue" id="t-987" data-t="987">create the podcast I want</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-990">16:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-990" data-t="990">to listen to myself.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-992" data-t="992">Create one that I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-994" data-t="994">has the elements</span> <span class="cue" id="t-996" data-t="996">that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-997" data-t="997">combining the elements that are currently in disparate areas. So I I wanted the American you know, to create the American version of a, you know, Peter, Batman, McCormick</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1007" data-t="1007">podcast,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1008">16:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1008" data-t="1008">where, you know, it's just a it's a lot of shit talking, and it's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1012" data-t="1012">everyone's having a good time. And it's casual and relaxed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1016" data-t="1016">because that's how I like to have conversations, not like that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1019" data-t="1019">Lex Fridman style of, like, when did you first realize your</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1025" data-t="1025">mother didn't love you, and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1028" data-t="1028">how did that lead to your career in b to b sales? Like, no. Fuck that.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1033">17:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1033" data-t="1033">Shit.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1034" data-t="1034">And but I also wanted I wanted to do reads of stuff because, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1039" data-t="1039">I love Guy Swan's podcast. It's a great Bitcoin podcast, Bitcoin Audible. It's killer. Like, he fills an incredible niche there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1046" data-t="1046">But I didn't wanna read just strictly Bitcoin stuff. I wanted to read</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1050" data-t="1050">Austrian economic stuff, and so I started doing that as well. And I was like, well, I also wanna get some news in here because, like, that's what I wanted. So I was like, well, I should just do, like, a, you know, a news roundup as well. So I was doing that. And I was but I started with just the news roundup and the, and the out loud reads.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1066" data-t="1066">Stop doing the news roundup. I've done a a few of them in recent times, but, honestly, there there it's it's a ton of work to pull together all that news to aggregate it. And so then it started leaning more heavily into just the long form interview stuff. But, ultimately, the goal was create the podcast that I want to listen to and bring value to my fellow plebs. I have a Fiat job still.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1088">18:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1088" data-t="1088">I'd I would continue Bitcoin podcasting if I never made another dime on it. I I think I said this to you guys in our last conversation. Like, I I don't have sponsors right now. I have been in between sponsors for a while except for Bitbox. Shout out to them. They sponsored me very early on,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1104" data-t="1104">and have stuck with me. But they just do, like, a couple episodes a month, and I publish a lot of episodes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1109" data-t="1109">And so, like, just been trying to do value for value episodes recently. And we can talk about that a little bit because value for value is a it's an interesting game. Like, I would never actually be able to pay the bills with value for value, at least not right now and probably not for a long time, but maybe someday. But yeah. As a Bitcoin podcaster I'm rambling here so feel free to cut me off.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1129">18:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1129" data-t="1129">So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1130" data-t="1130">one of the things we ought to talk about is this you know importance of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1135" data-t="1135">Bitcoin podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1137" data-t="1137">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1139" data-t="1139">one of the terms we use is getting enough entropy so you know you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1144" data-t="1144">you need to listen to macro podcasts, you need to listen to privacy podcasts, you need to listen to technical podcasts, you need to listen to,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1153">19:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1153" data-t="1153">you know, pick your category, astrology even they've got podcasts, bitcoin podcasts on with astrology,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1160" data-t="1160">and you got enough entropy and you're really condensing the value of the signal you're getting and it's it's like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1166" data-t="1166">you can create your own private keys</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1169" data-t="1169">all you need is enough entropy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1172" data-t="1172">and you it's just a blank slate you can accumulate so much value that is controlled by those private keys so when you create a podcast you are having to go out and listen to forty hours per week with all this entropy so you can create a unique</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1188" data-t="1188">perspective, a unique experience, a unique format for your podcast so you can provide</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1194">19:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1194" data-t="1194">real authentic value.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1196" data-t="1196">And we talk about this all the time but you you just explained it like totally normally like we're using all these crazy memes and you just explained your journey of and the importance of listening to podcasts</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1207" data-t="1207">and the the sanctity and the wait</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1210" data-t="1210">and the decision to make a podcast it's like a new father</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1214" data-t="1214">he put it all right there into one good example and that's what we're always talking about we need more good examples</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1220" data-t="1220">Bitcoin podcasters should are</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1223">20:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1223" data-t="1223">good examples</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1226">20:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1226" data-t="1226">and and we're also good</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1229" data-t="1229">I think that we are good punching bags that's that's another thing as a bitcoin podcaster</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1234" data-t="1234">you need to realize that part of your role</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1237" data-t="1237">is for people to hate you when arguments start of a technical nature</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1242" data-t="1242">and they can't actually engage with the technical argument,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1246" data-t="1246">so then they need to find the non technical person who is very vocal and and talks a lot, has a deep rumbling voice, incredible hair, and a smoking hot wife, and you need to attack that guy.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1257">20:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1257" data-t="1257">Or you need to attack the guys who are, who are, you know, full anon such as yourselves because you're Bitcoin podcasters too. You put a target on your back as a Bitcoin podcaster where when the going gets tough,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1268" data-t="1268">everybody points their finger at the Bitcoin podcaster and says, it's your fault. And and honestly, I love it though because it's great if as Bitcoin podcasters, we can provide that cover for the builders who are doing the real work. Right? It's like cypherpunks write code. Bitcoin podcasters,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1287" data-t="1287">get called retard all the time so that cypherpunks can write code. And I think that that that symbiotic relationship</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1294" data-t="1294">is so important. And and that's why, again, we need more Bitcoin podcasters because we need more Bitcoin developers. But to have more Bitcoin developers, you need more Bitcoin podcasters</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1302" data-t="1302">providing that cover for them, really. You know, like, we're all in the foxhole together. Like, we gotta lay down that suppressing fire in the form</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1309">21:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1309" data-t="1309">of podcasts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1312" data-t="1312">Totally.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1313">21:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1313" data-t="1313">I mean, one of the one of the things that I think is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1317" data-t="1317">hampering</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1319" data-t="1319">the scaling of Bitcoin podcasts is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1322" data-t="1322">lack of controversy. Like a lot of people are arguing about the same things that people have been arguing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1328" data-t="1328">for a long time,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1330" data-t="1330">recycled</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1331">22:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1331" data-t="1331">arguments over and over again. We need</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1334" data-t="1334">a whole new</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1335" data-t="1335">set of arguments.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1338" data-t="1338">Are you in favor of any contentious</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1342" data-t="1342">Bitcoin code changes in order to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1345" data-t="1345">or, or just general purity tests being entered into</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1350">22:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1350" data-t="1350">the conversation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1351" data-t="1351">to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1352" data-t="1352">have a higher demand for more podcasts with people to argue about things?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1357">22:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1357" data-t="1357">I I'm always,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1359" data-t="1359">I'm always advocating</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1361" data-t="1361">for more just, just more outrage, I guess. We need to make sure that Bitcoiners stay outraged. What I would like to see ideally is more</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1371" data-t="1371">outrage directed externally.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1373" data-t="1373">Like, we're getting rat fucked by the central bankers and the fiat politicians.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1378" data-t="1378">And instead of being like, hey. Quit rat fucking us, you rat fuckers. Like, we're gonna we're gonna donkey fuck you right back. We're busy rat fucking each other here in the Bitcoin ecosystem.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1388">23:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1388" data-t="1388">And I just think most of that is a is a colossal waste of time. So I'm all about the controversy, but I'd like to see the ire</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1395" data-t="1395">that is that is brewing amongst Bitcoiners. I'd like to see more of that directed externally</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1400" data-t="1400">at the existential</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1401" data-t="1401">threats to bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1403" data-t="1403">you know what I mean? I</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1406">23:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1406" data-t="1406">I agree with you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1407" data-t="1407">in theory</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1409" data-t="1409">but in practice when we see the rat fucking that goes on in the industry</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1414" data-t="1414">it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1416" data-t="1416">a) these guys don't have credentials so they're they're bringing up all these legal theories and all these legal ramifications</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1422" data-t="1422">and oh this is gonna be illegal if we change the code they don't they're not lawyers</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1427">23:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1427" data-t="1427">do you not understand the law that you even even Zabo was getting dunked on this week because he didn't understand safe harbor laws and other laws and he he should have because he was a cypherpunk</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1439" data-t="1439">beef you know when the regulatory clarity was not there in the nineties so you shouldn't be saying it either way</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1446">24:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1446" data-t="1446">Zabo does I'm pretty sure he he got a law degree just for shits and gigs which is like as one does you know</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1453">24:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1453" data-t="1453">sorry continue well he did not he didn't have anybody you know</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1457" data-t="1457">to your review</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1458" data-t="1458">his legal theory. Samson's not a good enough</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1461" data-t="1461">reviewer for legal theory okay? You better at least ask GPT more after Samson but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1467" data-t="1467">you know it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1470" data-t="1470">they're not very good at it their arguments are pretty retard I mean,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1474">24:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1474" data-t="1474">shinomi's calling them retarded left and right retardedly they're making all kinds of announcements</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1480" data-t="1480">absurd announcements that every they're people they're getting laughed at they're not good at we do need to baby rat fuck a little fire sharpens iron we need a little bit more</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1489" data-t="1489">controversy a little bit more drama we need a few more practice rounds before we take on</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1494" data-t="1494">the states it's if you lose that one it's over I mean we want to be ready</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1500">25:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1500" data-t="1500">I'm I I I agree with that and that's that's a that's a that's a good point perhaps all of the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1506" data-t="1506">internal rat fucking within the Bitcoin community is really it's this necessary step it's the practice that we go through it's our it's our sandbox to play in you know before we go in to the, the big wide world of, you know, the the central bank rat fucking. Because, like, they those guys do operate on a different, a different playing field with a a different set of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1528" data-t="1528">let's say but they got they have bigger bags they're bringing to the table. You know what I mean? They don't even necessarily need to be good at what they do. They've got the intent entrenched power system on their side, and they've got the money printer. Right? So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1540" data-t="1540">we don't have either of those things, but we do have better memes. And, you know, that's one thing. I</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1546">25:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1546" data-t="1546">the memes, I've gotta say,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1549" data-t="1549">Bitcoin memes are better in bear markets.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1552" data-t="1552">From my I I have not I've only been around for, like, just over a cycle now, you know, got it in 2020.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1557" data-t="1557">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1558" data-t="1558">the bear market memes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1560" data-t="1560">were great.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1561">26:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1561" data-t="1561">Right? I feel like they had some actual soul to them. Now the memes are like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1566" data-t="1566">what liberals try to do when they when they meme, which just ends up not being funny. And it's like weird force and there's like way too many words, on their, you know, on whatever their image is. They put, like, way too many words on there because they gotta make sure they get the whole point out right and, like, you know, have Chat GbT write a little bit of their meme for them because they're not actually clever enough to think of it themselves.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1586" data-t="1586">And it's like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1588" data-t="1588">it's just lame.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1589" data-t="1589">It's just lame. We need,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1591" data-t="1591">I I if there's one thing people should should strive to do, it is make better memes.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1596">26:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1596" data-t="1596">But if you try to make better memes, you're gonna end up making shittier memes. Like, I think you're trying to make better memes right now. Try less. Try less, but do more.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1606">26:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1606" data-t="1606">Yeah the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1608" data-t="1608">very similar situation with like the US military or you know it's when they're dealing with The Middle East</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1615" data-t="1615">we're sending over these you know trillion dollar projects these kit aircraft carriers and these f-35s</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1621" data-t="1621">f-22s</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1623" data-t="1623">and we're using this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1626" data-t="1626">while very vastly superior vastly more expensive</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1630">27:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1630" data-t="1630">military force and we're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1632" data-t="1632">just to shoot down these little cheap drones and it's like what if you're you know I don't want to call anybody out here but a good example mechanic he's just writing these long</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1641" data-t="1641">threads they're just very dramatic and very performative</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1645" data-t="1645">and all of that is just getting struck down by shinobi just dropping</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1649" data-t="1649">retarded if you you can't fight like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1652" data-t="1652">these long threads against retard you have to have tighter memes because everybody they can you have to have a tighter meme and you have to have more frequency</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1661">27:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1661" data-t="1661">Yeah. I agree with that. And, you know, but and it is good that we call out Mechanic. Right? It is good that we ridicule Mechanic.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1667" data-t="1667">Why? Because Mechanic is a Bitcoin podcaster.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1670" data-t="1670">And when you step up to the microphone,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1673" data-t="1673">you know what you're doing. You know you are going to get ridiculed. Right? And you need to be prepared for that mechanic. He knew what he was getting into when he sat down in that studio. Right? When he started when he just said, I'm gonna become a Bitcoin podcaster, mom. I'm gonna do it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1688" data-t="1688">And I support him being a Bitcoin podcaster. He's a pretty pretty convincing one. Like, especially if you listen without volume, like, it's really good. Like, it honestly, like, it's it's compelling. And if and if you listen just with a little bit of volume too, because he's got kinda that cool accent, like, that's that's neat. Like, we don't have cool accents. Right? Like, wish we did. That's like a such a podcasting hack, but you gotta be born with it. Right? And and, unfortunately, some of us just aren't. We're just</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1714">28:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1714" data-t="1714">goddamn red blooded Americans. Right? But we play the hands we're dealt. And for him, though, again, I think it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1721" data-t="1721">it's great that he's Bitcoin podcasting right now. And, you know, I hope that he's listening to his forty hours per week too, though. That's what I'm not so sure of. Because as a podcaster, you still have to take in your forty hours per week. You don't get a you don't get a pass to that. You know?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1735">28:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1735" data-t="1735">Richard Richard, are you gonna let are you gonna let him do the way it was saying that, mechanic has a cool accent?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1742">29:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1742" data-t="1742">Well, Well, I think we talked about it on the last show. I think we're on the same page about this, about the psyop of the Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1748" data-t="1748">The British accents.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1750" data-t="1750">Yeah. I mean, it'd be interesting to have somebody and go and, run his voice through,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1757" data-t="1757">take the transcripts and run it through, you know, a text to voice thing and an American accent</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1763" data-t="1763">to to see if people, you know, think differently about the things he's saying. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1768" data-t="1768">you know, one of the great services</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1770">29:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1770" data-t="1770">that Mechanic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1772" data-t="1772">is providing the ecosystem</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1775" data-t="1775">is there there's people that have gained a lot of relevancy that they probably wouldn't have had before,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1781" data-t="1781">you know, through being able to argue with him constantly. So you look at, like, mister HODL.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1786" data-t="1786">Mister Hoddle doesn't have big win podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1790" data-t="1790">But in many ways, he's, you know, he he was a big deal back in the day, but he's kinda got into the second wind</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1796">29:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1796" data-t="1796">as a result of being able to argue with mechanic and to be able to dunk on him.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1803" data-t="1803">You know, mechanics given a lot of people a reason to podcast he's given. You know, when you confuse the plebs</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1811" data-t="1811">What they oftentimes do is they they want to listen to more podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1815" data-t="1815">in order to try and come to a conclusion on something.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1818" data-t="1818">And so he's created a tremendous amount of demand for the Bitcoin content ecosystem. Podkoff,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1825" data-t="1825">I know is stoked.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1826">30:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1826" data-t="1826">I know people were excited to go to these PodConference events and see these guys argue. They, you know, mechanics hold a bunch of tickets for them.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1835" data-t="1835">Like, look how dramatic BCC</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1838" data-t="1838">plus plus was in Austin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1841" data-t="1841">That was, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1843" data-t="1843">people typically look at technical conferences and they're like, oh, this is boring.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1848" data-t="1848">You know, I don't want to listen to, you know, these autistic people, but being</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1852">30:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1852" data-t="1852">able to get mechanic and Luke on stage with Jameson and Shinobi and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1857" data-t="1857">Matt Carollo. It's a big deal. People people are gonna pay for tickets is I mean, that's kind of like, you know, whenever Connor McGregor fights,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1868" data-t="1868">in the UFC.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1870" data-t="1870">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1873" data-t="1873">so, yeah, I I would say mechanic has done a tremendous amount for the PodCon ecosystem.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1880" data-t="1880">He he,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1882">31:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1882" data-t="1882">yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1883">31:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1883" data-t="1883">Just, you know, give give him a round of applause. I might even have a might even have an applause thing. I'll I'll get the applause thing ready later. So because we should, you know. We should applaud anyone who is Bitcoin podcasting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1895" data-t="1895">Just the sheer act of Bitcoin podcasting is an act is a is a brave act. Right? It doesn't matter what you're saying as long as it is about Bitcoin. Because I and like you said, you know, the controversy sells. And, like, that's selling tickets. That that's supporting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1910" data-t="1910">that PodConf ecosystem.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1912" data-t="1912">And I think that that is a really just it's a it's a crucial mission, really.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1917">31:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1917" data-t="1917">Well, yeah. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1918" data-t="1918">go ahead.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1920">31:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1920" data-t="1920">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1921" data-t="1921">I mean, one of the challenges I think we all have? So so Rod had a very, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1927" data-t="1927">incredible monologue</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1928" data-t="1928">recently, a couple weeks ago, that, made it circles a lot of people listen to, and he talked about disengaging for the debate.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1936" data-t="1936">So one of the challenges I think we all have as Bitcoin podcasters</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1941" data-t="1941">is</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1943">32:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1943" data-t="1943">like trying to be discussing relevant topics.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1949" data-t="1949">But, you know, when whenever</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1951" data-t="1951">the plaids</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1953" data-t="1953">get</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1954" data-t="1954">wrapped up in a topic that doesn't matter,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1956" data-t="1956">there's so much inertia in it. And so if you're talking about something completely different that you think matters</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1963">32:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1963" data-t="1963">more. It's hard to get them to change direction and view your content.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1968" data-t="1968">I'm curious on how you navigate those types of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1974" data-t="1974">forces,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1975" data-t="1975">you know, to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1979" data-t="1979">there there's a temptation to engage with the current thing,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1982" data-t="1982">even if it doesn't matter.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1985">33:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1985" data-t="1985">How do you think are some good ways to approach that issue of letting other people define</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1991" data-t="1991">the conversation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1993" data-t="1993">entirely and not really having a role in it versus trying to define the conversation yourself and talk about the things that matter to you?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2001">33:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2001" data-t="2001">That's a great question.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2003" data-t="2003">I don't know. I I was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2005" data-t="2005">my intent was to completely stay out of this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2009" data-t="2009">whole,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2010" data-t="2010">debate du jour.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2013" data-t="2013">I</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2014">33:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2014" data-t="2014">it just felt like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2016" data-t="2016">it should be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2017" data-t="2017">pretty self evident this wasn't as big of a deal as people were making</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2021" data-t="2021">it and that this was obviously gonna blow over, and this was something that was being used to whip people up into a little bit of a frenzy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2028" data-t="2028">and to give people the feeling that they are able to to do something, either they're and that they are saving Bitcoin because Bitcoin is in danger. There is an existential threat</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2038" data-t="2038">that we must address and and and that I am the person who needs to to champion this by repeating what other people say and by retweeting the right things, that that's what will save Bitcoin, and then I'm doing my part. Right? And so I was just kind of just disinterested with the the debate because, again, I just</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2055">34:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2055" data-t="2055">I've</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2056" data-t="2056">I've thought about the game theory of Bitcoin enough in a non click baity way with, you know, game theory.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2062" data-t="2062">But, like, genuinely thinking like, if you spend any meaningful amount of time thinking about this and about how the, the economics of these things work, you probably weren't that worried about all of this.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2070" data-t="2070">And then I decided to wade into it because,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2074" data-t="2074">you know, my my sweet smoking out wife, asked a genuine question. He was saying, like, I I still don't understand how how filters work. This was a couple months ago.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2083" data-t="2083">And I was like, well, you know, I've got a funny meme for this. Like, you know, I'll give the wife an old quote tweet and, you know, do that, the mister and principal meme where it's like, you know, how does, like, x work? And, like, that's the neat thing. It doesn't.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2095">34:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2095" data-t="2095">And I was like, how do filters work? That's the neat thing. They don't. And I just posted that. I thought it was a hilarious meme. Short, sweet, to the point.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2101" data-t="2101">The vitriol</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2102" data-t="2102">with which that meme was greeted</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2105" data-t="2105">made</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2106" data-t="2106">me go like, oh.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2108" data-t="2108">Oh, okay.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2110">35:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2110" data-t="2110">Wow. People are more amped up about this than I thought.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2116" data-t="2116">Okay. Stay still stayed out of it for a little while.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2120" data-t="2120">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2121" data-t="2121">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2123" data-t="2123">and I've done a couple of shows about this. I don't again, it was just called the silent k.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2128" data-t="2128">Done a couple of shows</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2130">35:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2130" data-t="2130">with this as as a part of it, not as necessarily the whole focus.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2136" data-t="2136">And, honestly, like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2139" data-t="2139">and those shows, people have again, people have this fucking</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2142" data-t="2142">retarded idea that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2144" data-t="2144">like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2145" data-t="2145">if they designate you as an influencer because nobody calls themselves an influencer unless you're a fucking loser. Right? Like, I don't consider myself an influencer. Like, I'm literally just a guy who started making stupid</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2154">35:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2154" data-t="2154">short form videos with his smoking hot wife and then started a Bitcoin podcast. If you wanna be influenced by me, that's on you, bro. Like, you know, be your own influencer. You don't need to be influenced by anyone else.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2164" data-t="2164">But people like to call you this when you have somehow gotten a decent following.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2171" data-t="2171">And they have this idea that, well, if you are saying things that are that are against what my opinions are, you're saying things I don't like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2180" data-t="2180">and I somehow view that as out of character for you you because usually you say the things I like. You say the things about Bitcoin that I like. I say I say those things and you say those things. So we must all think the same thing. And now you're saying something that I don't like.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2192" data-t="2192">And it makes me feel uncomfortable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2194" data-t="2194">because I haven't thought that deeply about it. I've just been, you know, I've been getting influenced by other people.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2200">36:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2200" data-t="2200">And that must mean that you are on the take from somebody. It must mean that you are taking money from somebody that you are that you're, quote, compromised. You know, that you've been compromised.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2211" data-t="2211">And you and you're now a a spam apologist, and you're, you know, you're going to bat for core,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2217" data-t="2217">and all of these things.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2220" data-t="2220">And it's like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2221" data-t="2221">no. No, guys.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2224" data-t="2224">Not</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2225">37:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2225" data-t="2225">not going to bat for anyone.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2227" data-t="2227">Certainly not compromised. Like, fuck. If if you can find somebody who wants to compromise me and start paying me, please let me know. I would love to start, you know, making some money. That'd be great. That'd be fantastic. So if you wanna you wanna sponsor my my being compromised,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2239" data-t="2239">by all means. I'm I'm really I'm compromised</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2241" data-t="2241">by pleb zaps,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2243" data-t="2243">mostly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2244" data-t="2244">So, like, I guess the plebs have compromised me. But</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2249">37:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2249" data-t="2249">I haven't changed how I view things. Like, you've just been influenced in a different direction.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2256" data-t="2256">I just have a different opinion</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2258" data-t="2258">on something than you do.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2259" data-t="2259">That's okay.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2261" data-t="2261">Like, we should have that. It's not that big of a deal. We should still be able to debate it in a respectful and cordial manner.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2268" data-t="2268">But that's not what we've seen. And an interesting thing for me was, like,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2272">37:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2272" data-t="2272">people like to say, oh, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2274" data-t="2274">you know, you're you're just you're just doing this very because you know, to get to get attention or things like that. I'm like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2280" data-t="2280">guys, guys,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2282" data-t="2282">me me talking about this whole silent k debate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2287" data-t="2287">has, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2288" data-t="2288">has been a negative. Like, if I actually cared about, you know, my, quote, influencer</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2293">38:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2293" data-t="2293">status, which again, I don't, and I think that's a stupid word. Stop being influenced by other people. Influence yourself.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2299" data-t="2299">But if I actually cared about that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2301" data-t="2301">I would just not talk about this at all, or I would just be like, I am pro silent k. I'm running silent k because that is the thing that gets everybody being like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're on our our side.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2313" data-t="2313">It it it's the, in terms of people vocally speaking out, it's the minority</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2318" data-t="2318">opinion to be like, no. I think that's just that's like, do whatever you want,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2322" data-t="2322">but you're not actually doing anything meaningful</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2325">38:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2325" data-t="2325">by running SilentK.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2327" data-t="2327">Like, you you can do it. Feel free. Do whatever you want. I think it's great. I think it's fantastic. But we're still just both Bitcoiners because we have the same consensus rules for Bitcoin. Your mempool policy, as Michael Tidwell says, your mempool policy doesn't make you a different Bitcoiner, your relay policy doesn't make you a different Bitcoiner, your consensus rules do.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2345" data-t="2345">And so</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2346" data-t="2346">I think it's funny that a couple of the episodes I posted with like, the one I posted with Tidwell, who's an awesome dude, built TabConf, is also a Bitcoin podcaster, has been for many years. Just a chill dude, family guy, super smart, super hilarious, great at chess too. I could go on and on. I love Tidwell.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2362" data-t="2362">That episode just got so much random</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2365" data-t="2365">random hate and, like, super low numbers. Like, these aren't, like, numbers that are blowing up because people don't wanna hear opinions</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2372">39:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2372" data-t="2372">that contradict what they believe. When they've dug in their heels, people want to have their biases confirmed.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2378" data-t="2378">They do not want to challenge</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2381" data-t="2381">what they have I accepted as part of their identity.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2384" data-t="2384">Like, this is a game of ultimately, like, identity node politics right now. That's what we're experiencing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2390" data-t="2390">Yeah. And I just and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2392" data-t="2392">it's a leftist tool, ultimately. So it's very funny when people are saying the core devs are all leftist it's like I'm seeing more of the leftist tactics from a different camp but I'm not the one like there is no red there is no blue there are the retards and you you know they are you</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2406">40:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2406" data-t="2406">it's like yeah the the Nazis are like hard to call themselves the an- the anti communist or the anti- you know, anticordinist</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2413" data-t="2413">but it's, you know, you have to- it's your actions</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2416" data-t="2416">not what you call yourself, right? It's it's once- it's not about what's in our men pool</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2421" data-t="2421">it's once in our blocks</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2423" data-t="2423">it's not about like it's not it's not about I could tell my my my grandpa who's disciplining me it's not about the tattoos grandpa it's about what's in my heart I can still go to heaven with tattoos and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2435" data-t="2435">it's so you know you say like we're we're both you're saying like we are both big winners at the end of the day and they're just trying to find reasons</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2443">40:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2443" data-t="2443">to say why somebody's not they just wanna it's an exclusive thing I don't know I don't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2449" data-t="2449">I think it's gonna still play out. Whatever</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2452" data-t="2452">the the anger and the animosity</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2455" data-t="2455">and, like, the real root of this conflict is, I really don't think it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2460" data-t="2460">about ordinals, and I don't think it's really about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2463" data-t="2463">being in men pools. I think it's something deeper</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2466">41:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2466" data-t="2466">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2467" data-t="2467">he was just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2468" data-t="2468">they, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2470" data-t="2470">hacked it to mechanic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2472" data-t="2472">for being such a good podcaster that he got the plaids riled up enough</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2476" data-t="2476">that</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2477">41:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2477" data-t="2477">people are starting to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2479" data-t="2479">work out their differences and starting to transact evidence and I'm just all getting along and pretending to get along because we're all, you know, in this fight with bitcoin together it's like well, we do have disagreements and we've been avoiding it too long</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2492" data-t="2492">but with conflicts this high</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2494" data-t="2494">you know I just saw a video a TikTok</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2498" data-t="2498">of some some lady at a at a full NFL game and she she pissed off this other guy and her boyfriend had to to fight this other guy and it was like, oh man,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2509" data-t="2509">not a great situation if the other guy's huge.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2512">41:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2512" data-t="2512">But you're in like a rare situation or it's not super rare but your wife is, you know, maybe used to be more famous than you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2520" data-t="2520">But your pocket, does she ever piss off other podcasters who didn't come after you, and you gotta defend yourself</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2527" data-t="2527">from the plebs and from podcasters? Because your wife went and wrote some checks that your, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2533" data-t="2533">your mic couldn't hash.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2536">42:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2536" data-t="2536">Usually, it's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2538" data-t="2538">the the the recent theme has been,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2540" data-t="2540">control your husband,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2542" data-t="2542">that she's had commented to her a bunch, which we both her and I find hilarious.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2549" data-t="2549">And so, you you know, usually, she's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2552" data-t="2552">she doesn't like to wade into these things,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2554">42:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2554" data-t="2554">you know, too much. She's busy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2556" data-t="2556">being,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2557" data-t="2557">an amazing mother</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2559" data-t="2559">and, you know, actually creating value in this world by raising our son.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2564" data-t="2564">So she doesn't take too much time for the keyboard warriors</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2567" data-t="2567">that are out there, you know, pretending that they're changing the world, without actually doing anything meaningful.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2574">42:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2574" data-t="2574">It's usually me, that that that gets, that gets her into trouble through</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2579" data-t="2579">through the power of this gosh darn microphone. You know, it's a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2584" data-t="2584">but with a great microphone comes great responsibility, I guess. And and, again,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2588" data-t="2588">I knew I knew this the chair I was sitting in. Right? I'm sitting in the it's not the wrist chair. It's the podcaster's chair. And, ultimately, it's a, you know, it's it's a risk to sit in that podcaster's chair, but it's one that it's, if if if not us, then who? And if not now, when? Probably never. Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2606" data-t="2606">personally, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna keep on podcasting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2609" data-t="2609">And this is why I encourage anybody who has grievances,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2612">43:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2612" data-t="2612">just start a Bitcoin podcast and start talking about them. Then you too can have other people call you an influencer.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2619" data-t="2619">And you can be like well I'm not an influencer and they'll be like yes you are you loser</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2625" data-t="2625">and you'll be like and then and then it'll all come full circle guys you just have to start a podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2630" data-t="2630">to begin that journey</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2632">43:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2632" data-t="2632">So would your advice</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2634" data-t="2634">you know, I think there's gonna be a time when as a Bitcoin podcaster,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2638" data-t="2638">you're gonna say or do something and the whole everybody's gonna be talking about it, your wife's gonna hear about it, your family might hear about it, they're gonna people are gonna be complaining and saying that you said something or did something controversial.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2652" data-t="2652">And so you're saying your advice in this situation is to just tell your wife to worry about the kids, you'll worry about the podcast.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2661">44:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2661" data-t="2661">Exactly. Like, my wife doesn't listen to my podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2664" data-t="2664">and she shouldn't. She gets</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2666" data-t="2666">a she gets a pod a Bitcoin podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2669" data-t="2669">every time we talk.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2670" data-t="2670">I mean, lucky her, really.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2672" data-t="2672">So you're, you know, your wife shouldn't be listening to your podcast.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2676">44:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2676" data-t="2676">That's that that's that's not what it's about. If your wife needs to listen to your podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2680" data-t="2680">then you guys aren't talking enough. Alright? Like, there shouldn't need to be a microphone separating you and your wife. Alright, guys? So, you know, I say</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2690" data-t="2690">Bitcoin podcast with your wife every time you guys are talking around the kitchen table. That's where the Bitcoin podcast happen with the with your families around that kitchen table. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2700" data-t="2700">Save save the Bitcoin podcasting with the actual microphones.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2703" data-t="2703">Save that for your fellow plebs. But, you know, but may make every conversation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2708" data-t="2708">with family, make it a Bitcoin podcast.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2712">45:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2712" data-t="2712">Totally.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2715" data-t="2715">We're going into this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2719" data-t="2719">environment where I think the vibes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2721" data-t="2721">in in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2724" data-t="2724">there's a pretty good chance that the vibes for many people interacting with Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2729" data-t="2729">are gonna be tested</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2731">45:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2731" data-t="2731">even more so than they are today.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2734" data-t="2734">I think in the the world of the the non Bitcoin podcast listener, the vibes are gonna just continue to reach all time lows. I think those people are really grasping at straws. They don't really have a lot of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2747" data-t="2747">sense of direction and hope.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2752" data-t="2752">As far as for you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2754" data-t="2754">and</span> <span class="cue" data-t="2754">just</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2755">45:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2755" data-t="2755">for people in general, how do how do you feel</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2758" data-t="2758">what are some six or just helpful ways to raise the vibes,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2763" data-t="2763">for yourself and the people you care about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2765" data-t="2765">and your the the listeners of your podcast? Like, where where are you thinking about that?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2772" data-t="2772">Well,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2773">46:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2773" data-t="2773">I think one of the key things is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2775" data-t="2775">touch grass and get sunshine</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2777" data-t="2777">before you step in front of the microphone.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2779" data-t="2779">Because if you're going into a Bitcoin podcast and you have not recently grounded and basked in the glory of the sun,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2786" data-t="2786">you're just already starting with a bad vibe. Right? That's, I mean, that's just like one zero one stuff.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2791">46:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2791" data-t="2791">Gotta send your moles. Gotta send your moles.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2794">46:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2794" data-t="2794">Sun as much as you can. Right? As as as much as you can, you need to get that skin exposed. Even if it's cold, like, I don't I don't wanna hear it. A little cold shock is gonna be a good thing for you. That's gonna get your mind more agile</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2806" data-t="2806">and your body prepared to sit in that podcaster's chair.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2811" data-t="2811">The next thing you need to do</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2812" data-t="2812">is remember that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2814" data-t="2814">you know, you probably don't need to take everything quite so seriously. It's okay to have a little bit of fun.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2820" data-t="2820">It's okay to make jokes. It's okay to laugh, and you should also be able to laugh at yourself. If you can't laugh at yourself,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2828">47:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2828" data-t="2828">somebody else is going to laugh at you, probably many someones. Right? So be able to make fun of things, be able to make fun of yourself,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2836" data-t="2836">and be able to have a good time with it. Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2841" data-t="2841">money and state has been separated.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2843" data-t="2843">It's our job now to keep it that way. Right? Buy Bitcoin podcasting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2848" data-t="2848">We may as well have some fun along the way. Otherwise, what are we doing here? Then we're just like the TradFi suits. If we can't have a little fun, if we can't make a little tit a little bit tit pun every now and then,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2860" data-t="2860">what's the point of any of it? Right? So I'd say have fun.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2865">47:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2865" data-t="2865">And and the third point is, I guess,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2868" data-t="2868">if you wanna keep the vibes high,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2871" data-t="2871">you really shouldn't give a fuck what anyone says.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2875" data-t="2875">Like, the only people whose opinions you should actually care about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2879" data-t="2879">are your families. Like, you should care what your wife thinks. You should care what your children think. You should care what your parents and some close relations think. Maybe once you get out to second cousin, you can start, you know, stop caring, but depending on how cool that cousin is.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2893" data-t="2893">But you really shouldn't give a fuck what random people on the Internet think. Like, if you do,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2897">48:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2897" data-t="2897">you are gonna have bad vibes throughout your life because most people on the Internet</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2903" data-t="2903">are just retarded.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2905" data-t="2905">Like and and that's not to say that I myself am not retarded often. I identify as retarded. So, yes, I I am often retarded.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2913" data-t="2913">But, like, if you are going to internalize</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2916" data-t="2916">what random people online</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2918" data-t="2918">who have never had a beer with you in person</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2921">48:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2921" data-t="2921">think about you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2922" data-t="2922">like, you're in for a a world of trouble, buddy. You're just gonna have bad vibes. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2928" data-t="2928">the people whose</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2929" data-t="2929">thoughts about you you should care about are those whom you love.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2933" data-t="2933">Everyone else's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2935" data-t="2935">take it with a grain of salt. Don't pay too much attention to it. If it's constructive criticism or a suggestion for how you can be a better Bitcoin podcaster,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2944">49:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2944" data-t="2944">that's different. You should you should listen to that. You should listen to the people who are listening to you or giving you part of their forty hours per week.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2952" data-t="2952">But that doesn't mean you need to internalize all the bad vibes that all the other people put out there. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2957" data-t="2957">Bad vibes abound</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2959" data-t="2959">and bad vibes are basically bad bad vibes are the noise. Right? Good vibes are the signal</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2964" data-t="2964">and you need to focus on that signal. Otherwise, you will be swallowed in a sea of bad vibes noise. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2972" data-t="2972">touch</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2974">49:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2974" data-t="2974">grass, sun your balls Yeah. And sun as much of your body as you can before podcasting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2979" data-t="2979">I forgot what the second one was already. And then don't give too oh, don't take yourself too seriously. Don't take anything too seriously.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2985" data-t="2985">We're separating money and state. That's a very serious thing. We should have fun. And then third is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2990" data-t="2990">just don't give into the bad vibes of random strangers on the Internet. They just they just don't matter.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2995">49:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2995" data-t="2995">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2997" data-t="2997">one of the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2998" data-t="2998">one of the major problems is, you know, it's just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3001" data-t="3001">a function of Bitcoin being a global</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3005" data-t="3005">permissionless</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3006" data-t="3006">asset</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3007">50:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3007" data-t="3007">is that there's so many different people from so many different perspectives and backgrounds</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3013" data-t="3013">cultures etc</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3015" data-t="3015">looking at this and arguing about and then we're arguing in these higher level problems</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3019" data-t="3019">and often we're talking past each other</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3023" data-t="3023">and it were it's miscommunication</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3025" data-t="3025">that's the fundamental of you're talking to your wife you know arguing with your wife is you're constantly miscommunicating</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3032">50:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3032" data-t="3032">so you're obviously constantly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3034" data-t="3034">miscommunicating</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3035" data-t="3035">with your podcast and your social media but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3039" data-t="3039">what you can do</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3041" data-t="3041">is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3042" data-t="3042">you can match the vibes as long as you can match the vibes</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3046">50:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3046" data-t="3046">you can work things out as long as people can match the vibes and their time preferences they can see what kind of time preference brain they're working with on the other side here you know that's how markets are made right like somebody's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3060" data-t="3060">a very motivated seller somebody's a very motivated but whatever but you just mask the vibe and as long as you can mask the vibe you can figure it out because it sometimes it takes time</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3069" data-t="3069">to feel figure out what what the vibe vibes were off in the first place.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3074">51:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3074" data-t="3074">Well said. And I think this this goes back to something we were talking about,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3078" data-t="3078">when we were last,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3080" data-t="3080">on a Bitcoin podcast podcasting about Bitcoin podcasting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3084" data-t="3084">You know, the good vibes are are self evident. Right? You know a good vibe when you see one, and and so are the bad vibes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3091" data-t="3091">But the bad vibes are not self evident to the person who is emitting the bad vibes, who is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3096" data-t="3096">excreting these noisy bad vibes that are trying to overwhelm the signal of the good vibes, because the good vibes</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3102">51:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3102" data-t="3102">are always there somewhere. This is one of the reasons I love Noester so much.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3107" data-t="3107">There is a higher</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3109" data-t="3109">signal to noise, a higher good vibes to bad vibes ratio on Noester than on anywhere else I've seen. You go on x,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3117" data-t="3117">it's a lot harder to find the good vibes signal amidst the bad vibes noise. You go any of these other centralized shithole platforms, it is harder to find the good vibes amidst the bad. Doesn't mean they're not there. They very much are still there. At the end of the day, good vibes are the light in the darkness of bad vibes. Right? They are they are that light at the end of the tunnel beckoning us towards a better better vibed future.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3141" data-t="3141">But if you're spending most of your time</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3144" data-t="3144">on these centralized shithole platforms where you need to wade through a sea</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3148">52:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3148" data-t="3148">of dark bad vibe noise just to be able to find a little bit of good vibe,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3153" data-t="3153">you know, you're gonna get lost along the way. You're gonna get swallowed by that sea. You will drown in the sea of bad vibes, and you will forget that you were there in the first place to look for the good vibes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3164" data-t="3164">And so I would I would recommend that people as well, if you want to increase the vibes,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3168" data-t="3168">spend more time on Nostr.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3170" data-t="3170">And I think a lot of the silent k's would do well-to-do</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3173" data-t="3173">that. Like, spend more time on Nostr. Look at all the incredible people. I just saw a guy the other day. He was, zapped zapped the heck out of him. Every day, he's just posting videos of himself playing the violin, just just riffing on the violin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3185">53:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3185" data-t="3185">And he's just doing that on no strings, getting zapped sats for it. That's awesome. What a what a good vibe. Like, that's just that's just a top notch vibe, and we need more of that. You think you're gonna see cool random dudes playing the violin on x? No. You're gonna see gas station beatings and shootings because that's that is what the the sea of bad vibes you have to wait through. I know Star just opened up. I saw a cool guy playing the violin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3207" data-t="3207">Sweet. Zapped him some sats. That's a good vibe. Hell, yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3214">53:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3214" data-t="3214">Yeah. I think it's pretty important to care what your wife thinks.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3218" data-t="3218">There's a lot of men out there that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3221" data-t="3221">also care about what their wives think. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3225" data-t="3225">I don't know if it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3228" data-t="3228">symbolic or or just,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3230" data-t="3230">it it kinda shows where the relationship is, but, then</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3233">53:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3233" data-t="3233">they it seems like a lot of people that are married are uncomfortable to admit that Lyn Alden is hot.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3239" data-t="3239">Is that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3240" data-t="3240">is that a problem for you and and your relationship with your wife or she comfortably</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3245">54:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3245" data-t="3245">do that? Alden. We both love Lyn Alden. You know? So that that that's that's the great thing. And you know what? That's kinda what I figured. Yeah. Yeah. Lyn Alden just has it. You know why? Because Lyn Alden has a great vibe.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3255" data-t="3255">Lyn Alden is also</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3257" data-t="3257">incredible at memeing. You ever notice that too? People with great vibes,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3261" data-t="3261">they tend to be really good at memes. Because memes, a good meme is about a good vibe. And Lynn Alden, I mean, I think probably</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3268" data-t="3268">what will go down in history</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3270" data-t="3270">as the financial</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3272">54:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3272" data-t="3272">macro meme of the decade,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3275" data-t="3275">maybe of the century,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3276" data-t="3276">is nothing stops this train.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3278" data-t="3278">I mean, what</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3280" data-t="3280">what a meme. You know, don't make her tap the sign because she will.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3284" data-t="3284">And and that's just another example.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3285">54:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3285" data-t="3285">Good vibes,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3287" data-t="3287">good</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3288" data-t="3288">memes. That's what we need more of. Alright, people? And you find a lot more of those again on Noister.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3294" data-t="3294">So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3295" data-t="3295">take that as you will.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3298">54:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3298" data-t="3298">Totally.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3299" data-t="3299">You know, what's a word of advice? Like, so your wife seems to respect Glenn Alden.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3305" data-t="3305">Maybe a lot of other people's wives don't.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3308" data-t="3308">You know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3310" data-t="3310">it it just seems like relationships</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3312" data-t="3312">can be difficult for certain women.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3316">55:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3316" data-t="3316">Not all women.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3318" data-t="3318">But sometimes, like, when they're when</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3321" data-t="3321">I mean, you see the memes poking fun at it where the the girl's with her boyfriend and the boyfriend's looking at another woman.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3328" data-t="3328">And she gets, you know, frustrated by that or insecurity. You think that's kinda what's going on here is is people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3335" data-t="3335">I think the the the thing that I find strange is that when I say, Lyn Alden's hot, people try to make it sexual.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3342" data-t="3342">What I'm trying to point out, like you said, is that she's really smart.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3346">55:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3346" data-t="3346">She's really good at memes. She's got a good vibe to her. She's very competent.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3352" data-t="3352">Like, that's what I mean when she say when I say that she's hot.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3356" data-t="3356">But for these guys who, who feel uncomfortable with it, because they're afraid of what their wives</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3362" data-t="3362">will think of them or, or say to them, whether you have any advice</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3365" data-t="3365">for these guys?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3368">56:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3368" data-t="3368">I think they need to look inward.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3371" data-t="3371">Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3372" data-t="3372">If you're uncomfortable with the good vibes that someone else is putting off because that's what it ultimately is. Right? This is what you're describing. Lyn Alden's hotness</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3379" data-t="3379">is related to the goodness of her vibes, the strength of her memes,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3384" data-t="3384">the quality of her intellectual pursuits.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3387" data-t="3387">That that that is the hotness of Lynn Alden.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3390">56:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3390" data-t="3390">And if that makes you uncomfortable,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3393" data-t="3393">buddy, you gotta you gotta you gotta take a look right in here and right in here and ask yourself why that is. Okay?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3400" data-t="3400">Because if good vibes are making you uncomfortable, it may be because and you wouldn't realize this, you know, you can't you can't know it yourself, but it may be because you yourself have a bad vibe</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3410" data-t="3410">at and and that's that's hard. But you know what?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3413" data-t="3413">You can fix that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3415" data-t="3415">It you but you can't consciously</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3417">56:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3417" data-t="3417">fix it. Right? It it it it goes it goes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3421" data-t="3421">it's so much deeper than just you being like, well, I'm I'm not gonna be an annoying piece of shit now. It's like, no.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3428" data-t="3428">That annoying piece of shit that's still gonna shine through, that weak that weak little man is still gonna shine through.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3435" data-t="3435">So you you you just gotta I don't know. I guess just start with touching grass more. Like, it's a cliche,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3441" data-t="3441">but literally, like, just go walk outside. Take off your shirt. Take off your pants if you can. Go walk around in the grass in the sunshine.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3450" data-t="3450">That is like, there is no way your vibes will become worse when you are walking around</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3456">57:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3456" data-t="3456">bare skin exposed to the sun, you know, those rays just beating down in your open your bare chest,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3462" data-t="3462">feet touching the grass, just soaking in that energy of the earth as you dispel all that negative energy. There's no way your vibes get worse when you're doing that. So that's a good place to start for for folks, I think. There's not enough grass touching happening. And the thing is, it's not even winter yet, guys. It's not even winter yet, and your vibes are this bad. Imagine</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3482" data-t="3482">imagine how bad the vibes are gonna get Once it's the dead of winter and people are like, oh, I can't. It's too cold on my feet. Like, mm-mm.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3489" data-t="3489">No excuses.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3491" data-t="3491">No excuses.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3492" data-t="3492">Use your feet to melt the snow</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3494">58:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3494" data-t="3494">all the way down until you find the grass to touch. You know. But if you're not doing that in the summertime, you're not doing it in the wintertime either, and your vibes are gonna get worse. Like, they're gonna get worse. And I so it's gonna be sad to see.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3506">58:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3506" data-t="3506">Dude. So, you know, sometimes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3508" data-t="3508">I think vibes are similar to, like, having bad breath. You're or, you know, nice breath.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3514" data-t="3514">Do you when do you when do you wait? Do you do it in private, in public, right away? Do you wait if you know, you've got a friend with bad vibes?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3523" data-t="3523">Or, you know, do you do you want people to just come be forthcoming and tell you if you know, you've gotten your vibes stink? Like how do we approach that? How do we encourage each other to have good vibes?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3535" data-t="3535">Do you need each other room to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3538" data-t="3538">experience their own vibes?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3540">59:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3540" data-t="3540">But then step in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3542" data-t="3542">and and let them know it's time to cut the shit and it's time to up the vibes it's time to stop the law and you know, tate them it's time to get the podcast going get them dump get them pumping out you've got so many in the queue let's go</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3554" data-t="3554">What are your advice in navigating that?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3558">59:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3558" data-t="3558">Well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3559" data-t="3559">you guys aren't gonna believe this, but I think the advice might come down to starting a Bitcoin podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3565" data-t="3565">and just making those first few episodes totally for yourself</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3570" data-t="3570">and check-in your own vibes on those.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3572" data-t="3572">Try to step outside of yourself</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3575" data-t="3575">as if you were a listener to your own Bitcoin podcast. You know, you're just you're just another plug trying to get there forty hours per week.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3582">59:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3582" data-t="3582">And do a vibe check on yourself.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3585" data-t="3585">What kind of a vibe are you really giving off? Can you be objective about it? Do you have the ability to step outside of yourself, to go out of your own body,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3593" data-t="3593">and to look, you know, to look back at yourself and say,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3596" data-t="3596">is that guy a guy I'd like to get part of my forty hours per week from? Because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3600" data-t="3600">because that's ultimately what what a good vibe is. Right? If if somebody wants to to get part of their forty hours per week from you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3607" data-t="3607">you probably got a good vibe. You don't wanna get part of your forty hours per week from a bad vibe.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3612">1:00:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3612" data-t="3612">Why would you want that? You don't wanna be inundating yourself with bad vibes. You got forty hours per week. You gotta make them count.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3618" data-t="3618">So I think that it really so much of it, so much of fixing your own vibe</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3623" data-t="3623">does come back to after you've grounded, after you've soaked in some of the sun, getting in front of that microphone</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3628" data-t="3628">and starting that Bitcoin podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3630" data-t="3630">And and then really just reflecting on whether or not you are a Bitcoin podcaster who you yourself would give part of your scarce forty hours per week to.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3640" data-t="3640">Because if you're not, if you wouldn't give yourself</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3643">1:00:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3643" data-t="3643">part of your scarce forty hours per week,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3646" data-t="3646">you probably got a bad vibe.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3650" data-t="3650">So many things are fixed with Bitcoin podcasting. You know, that's that's really it's it's it's not a panacea,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3656" data-t="3656">but, boy, it's pretty close.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3659">1:00:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3659" data-t="3659">Yeah. That's some pretty sound advice. I appreciate that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3663" data-t="3663">Kind of incredible.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3664" data-t="3664">We have over 70 views on ZapStream</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3667" data-t="3667">for this conversation.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3669">1:01:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3669" data-t="3669">I know. That like, you you multiply that by, like, a 100, and that's basically what it would be on the centralized platforms essentially. That from what I've seen. Like, you gotta you gotta multiply that zap. Stream amount by by a 100.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3683" data-t="3683">Sure. May maybe 50. You know? But I I think that's that that's fair. You know? It's it's tough to get people to come on zap.stream, but whenever people do, I'm like, this is this is awesome. You guys are not only giving me part of your forty hours per week, but you're giving me part of your forty hours per week on a censorship resistant open protocol for communication.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3700" data-t="3700">That is fucking cool.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3702">1:01:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3702" data-t="3702">Well, it's kind of funny when you think about it from</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3705" data-t="3705">when you're operating and and I think we learned this firsthand.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3710" data-t="3710">When you're operating on a value for value</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3713" data-t="3713">standard</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3714" data-t="3714">in the Bitcoin ecosystem,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3717" data-t="3717">one pioneer is worth a thousand plugs.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3723">1:02:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3723" data-t="3723">You know, the plives that are out there, they're they're gobbling up sailor,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3728" data-t="3728">slop.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3730" data-t="3730">They're,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3731" data-t="3731">talking about how you should never spend your Bitcoin. They're calling Nostra gay.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3736" data-t="3736">You know, th th those types of plives.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3739" data-t="3739">What one pioneer that's actually doing something with their lives</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3744">1:02:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3744" data-t="3744">is worth a thousand of those guys.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3748">1:02:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3748" data-t="3748">Yeah. It's you guys had a you were talking about this a little bit,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3753" data-t="3753">in your one of your last episodes behind the podcast with Odell.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3758" data-t="3758">And that idea that, you know, a lot of those people out there are just complaining and not doing anything.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3763" data-t="3763">They they can't even be bothered to get on Nostr. They can't even be bothered to do that. And I think the comment you made was, you know, tongue in cheek because, you know, because the UX is too hard or something, which at this point, it's just not. Like, yeah, they're if you're if you're a podcaster trying to livestream on Noister, it can get a little bit tricky. But for the average</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3781" data-t="3781">person who is just going, you know, going on Primal, going on Domus, the UX is pretty darn good. Like, you have to be yeah. At this point, you have to be a little stupid not to be able to figure it out. But so many of you know? But, again, maybe it's like, do we want those bad vibes over on Nostr? The nice thing is that people with bad vibes tend not to stay on Nostr. They tend to come over. They rage post for a little bit while a little while. They realize nobody gives a shit about their rage posting over here because there's no algorithmic incentive for them to rage post. And nobody you know, like, Gigi says, you wouldn't zap a car crash. Nobody wants to zap your bad vibes. You wanna zap good vibes. And that's ultimately to distill Gigi's point down a little. You wouldn't zap a car crash. Right? You'll look at a car crash. You'll maybe be enthralled by it. You won't zap it. You won't give it your value.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3826">1:03:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3826" data-t="3826">But this is why this But</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3828">1:03:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3828" data-t="3828">you won't zap bad vibes. You'll zap good vibes.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3831">1:03:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3831" data-t="3831">This is what Planetar did last on,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3834" data-t="3834">on Noster right? Like they nobody wanted to pay and zap</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3838" data-t="3838">gladiator complained about me for bitcoin summers so he laughed he turned right around</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3843">1:04:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3843" data-t="3843">what what do you mean by email wise?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3847">1:04:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3847" data-t="3847">Yeah, you've not even won I don't think but I I do like your point, it is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3852" data-t="3852">it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3854" data-t="3854">maybe RFK because RFK really got into podcast during the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3858" data-t="3858">elections last year if RFK</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3860" data-t="3860">could just make it so that any therapist or any psychologist or psychiatrist when somebody comes in they're complaining about their life and everything's going wrong and they're oppressed by everything</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3870" data-t="3870">the first thing they should do before they</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3874">1:04:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3874" data-t="3874">they give them you know a pill</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3876" data-t="3876">is ask him, have you tried farting around on Noster?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3881" data-t="3881">Go home, download Primal, fart around on Noster for a couple hours. If you don't feel better, you can have some Xanax. You know what I mean? Like me, just you gotta try something.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3891">1:04:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3891" data-t="3891">Totally.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3892">1:04:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3892" data-t="3892">That's great. Maybe even maybe even before or after if the if just going on Noister doesn't work by itself,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3898" data-t="3898">maybe then before the Xanax,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3900" data-t="3900">try starting a podcast. Or maybe before that, even get your forty hours a week of Bitcoin podcast. And then, like, there's there's so many stages you could take before pharmaceutical</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3908" data-t="3908">intervention</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3909" data-t="3909">needs to be there. For some people with with a a true imbalance,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3913" data-t="3913">chemical imbalance that can't be right in any other way,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3917">1:05:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3917" data-t="3917">sure, whatever.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3918" data-t="3918">But, like, for most people, I think, no, sir. Forty hours per week of Bitcoin podcast, that'll fix you. And if that doesn't, start one for yourself, and that'll probably fix you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3928" data-t="3928">or at least make you realize how much of a problem you have if none of those things do fix you.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3936">1:05:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3936" data-t="3936">Totally.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3939" data-t="3939">Well, one of the things we do at the end of the show is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3943" data-t="3943">we go through our fountain boost of the previous interview show that we did.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3948" data-t="3948">Out of curiosity,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3949" data-t="3949">Walker,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3951" data-t="3951">what what</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3952">1:05:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3952" data-t="3952">shows are your favorites that you listen to on a regular basis? What makes up your forty hours per week?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3959">1:05:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3959" data-t="3959">Oh, well, you know, even though Peter McCormack is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3963" data-t="3963">doing less Bitcoin podcasting these days and more political podcasting,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3968" data-t="3968">I still do love his show. I don't listen to it as much as I did before</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3973" data-t="3973">just because, you know, I'm I'm trying to ingest as as much,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3977" data-t="3977">Bitcoin Bitcoin content as possible.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3980" data-t="3980">But luckily,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3981">1:06:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3981" data-t="3981">you know, then I have I have good old Danny Knowles to be able to fall back on. I can still get that nostalgic. Danny has an accent too. So it's almost like if you close your eyes and, you know, you you just squint a little bit, it's almost like Peter's back there again. Danny's doing a great job. He's a great Bitcoin podcaster, and he I love that his story is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3999" data-t="3999">coming on board to help Peter with his show because he's like, hey. Your audio sucks. Like, you need to be a better Bitcoin podcaster. I can help you be a better Bitcoin podcaster.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4007" data-t="4007">And by George, he did it. And then what does he do?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4011" data-t="4011">He takes over the reins and becomes the Bitcoin podcaster himself. I mean, it's it's a beautiful story, really, of Bitcoin podcasting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4018" data-t="4018">and how you can just do things. You can just tell somebody their podcast sucks. You wanna fix it. Make it the biggest Bitcoin podcast in the world. When they go off to start becoming the prime minister of England and saving that cesspool from itself, thank you, Peter, for doing that because we we we we need The UK saved, you know.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4035">1:07:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4035" data-t="4035">But then you step up to the plate and you become the podcaster yourself. You become the man in the studio or in the the main the main podcaster's chair.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4044" data-t="4044">Guy Swan is still on my heavy rotation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4046" data-t="4046">as is Preston Pish. Your guys' show has entered my heavy rotation as well.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4052" data-t="4052">This week in Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4054" data-t="4054">came on my radar recently because it was on top of the fountain charts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4058" data-t="4058">I started checking it out.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4060">1:07:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4060" data-t="4060">TFTC,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4061" data-t="4061">Marty Bent. I mean, these are, you know, these are these are these are some classics.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4065" data-t="4065">Obviously, you know, I'm not throwing out anything too crazy here.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4069" data-t="4069">Let me go let me go into my fountain list. I I I enjoy very much Natalie Brunell's show as well for, like, when I wanna see how a journalist should really,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4078" data-t="4078">conduct themselves. And it's always like, wow. I am I am not a serious person over here. But the world needs all kinds. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4086" data-t="4086">She is</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4087">1:08:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4087" data-t="4087">her show goes to the top of the charts and makes it to the normies, which I think is just, like, is just huge. Also, guys, I do wanna point out,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4094" data-t="4094">our episode that we did together oh, it's down to number three now. Rabbit hole recap, all in Bitcoin has just surpassed it and taken the two spot, but it was on the number two spot on Fountain's, Fountain's hot list. So that's pretty sweet.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4108" data-t="4108">There's another one I listen to actually. It's not a it's not a Bitcoin podcast, but, I do enjoy it every now and then. It's called The Carousel.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4116" data-t="4116">It's it's it's pretty decent. It's more about,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4119" data-t="4119">political cultural vibes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4121" data-t="4121">It's it's it's it's it's pretty solid.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4125">1:08:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4125" data-t="4125">Yeah. I mean, those are my those are my main ones. I I like, every now and then I'll do Peter Saint Onge's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4131" data-t="4131">his weekly recap of his daily shows that he posts on x. He lumps them into a podcast. I can listen to it on Fountain.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4138" data-t="4138">I like that a lot.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4140" data-t="4140">I love Dave Smith's show, part of the problem. It's just a it's an awesome podcast. Dave's got a great vibe to him,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4147" data-t="4147">along there with his cohost, Robbie the Fire Bernstein.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4150" data-t="4150">They do a killer job. It's like it's just a it's a darn good podcast. Dave's a Bitcoiner too. Doesn't talk about Bitcoin a ton in his show,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4159">1:09:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4159" data-t="4159">you know, pretty infrequently,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4161" data-t="4161">but he's a Bitcoiner. He's made that clear. He's given some great talks at, you know, on panels at Bitcoin conferences, and he's got just a killer podcast. I enjoy listening to it because he he's also because he's funny. Like, you know, I think this is why comedians</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4174" data-t="4174">make such great podcasters and why, you know, people during the election, everyone's like, they, you know, Trump is talking to all these just random comedians with their podcasts. And it's like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4185" data-t="4185">because people actually wanna listen to them. They don't wanna</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4189" data-t="4189">nobody's getting I mean, if you're getting forty hours per week of CNN, you're a fucking retard. Like, that's just like and if you weren't, it's gonna make you retarded. Like, it is just talk about boomer slop.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4201" data-t="4201">But comedians, they make great podcasters because they ask great questions because they don't take everything</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4206">1:10:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4206" data-t="4206">too freaking seriously.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4208" data-t="4208">They're able to make you laugh while discussing something that's maybe really heavy. They're able to get people to open up a little bit where they otherwise might not have. And And I think that's a beautiful thing. You know? It's we we need more podcasters. We need more comedian podcasters.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4221" data-t="4221">It's it's fantastic. So, yeah, that's that's a lot of my heavy rotation.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4224" data-t="4224">I also dabble with, with other random shows every now and then. But but, yeah, this is the difficulty of when you are a Bitcoin podcaster. You have less time to listen to Bitcoin podcast, but you still gotta try to get those forty hours per week. You gotta try. You know? You don't always succeed,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4238" data-t="4238">but the important thing is that you tried.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4242" data-t="4242">Totally.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4243">1:10:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4243" data-t="4243">What's what's what's heavy rotation for you guys?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4247">1:10:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4247" data-t="4247">Ungovernable</span> <span class="cue" data-t="4247">misfits</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4248" data-t="4248">That's a good Bitcoin and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4252" data-t="4252">plug chain radio,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4256" data-t="4256">rock paper Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4262" data-t="4262">See what else.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4264">1:11:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4264" data-t="4264">Once in a while, I'll dabble with all the ones that you're you mentioned. I I've been avoiding</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4269" data-t="4269">listening to Dave Smith because I I just think libertarians</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4273">1:11:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4273" data-t="4273">are running the playbook on how to lose, and it kinda gets tiresome. But, you know, I I listen to even Dave kind of admits that too, though. You know? Like, he's kinda like, listen. You guys are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4282" data-t="4282">not being super serious about this. This is why libertarianism</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4286" data-t="4286">needs</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4288" data-t="4288">it needs orange peeling. Like, libertarianism doesn't, like it's kinda toothless without fixing the money. You know? It's like it's like, okay.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4296">1:11:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4296" data-t="4296">Now what That's the way they that's the way they want it, though.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4299" data-t="4299">That's how libertarians like it. Yeah. If they wanted to win, they wouldn't be libertarians. They'd be doing something productive.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4306" data-t="4306">It's kinda like being a Bitcoin plow, but just,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4310" data-t="4310">consuming all the sailor slop.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4313">1:11:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4313" data-t="4313">Yes. Yeah. It it is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4318" data-t="4318">they I would say they need more podcasts, but, like, if they really became good podcasters, then they'd move on to other things.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4325" data-t="4325">Is because, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4326" data-t="4326">to go back to something you said a little bit earlier, like, if they're one of the reasons to start a podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4331" data-t="4331">is because it's a vibes feedback.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4334" data-t="4334">You're letting out very you're putting out vibes</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4337">1:12:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4337" data-t="4337">on very important matters, very, very crucial important fundamental matters that need to be resolved at a much broader societal</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4344" data-t="4344">level</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4345" data-t="4345">right now and you're getting the vibes feedback you're starting to figure out what</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4351" data-t="4351">takes makes people tick and what makes people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4354" data-t="4354">seem like they're really mad or like, you know, have these really performative responses but, you know, the vibe isn't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4360" data-t="4360">it's almost like</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4362">1:12:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4362" data-t="4362">they fit they're they're like you tee them up and you they're trying to just hit, you know, hit a on rye off of your tee up.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4370" data-t="4370">It's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4376" data-t="4376">I kinda lost where I was going right there but it's it's the feedback mechanism is what's important</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4381" data-t="4381">is that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4383" data-t="4383">if you don't have that feedback and you don't know the right vibes and you can't vibe switch,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4388" data-t="4388">it's just gonna be very difficult</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4390">1:13:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4390" data-t="4390">to navigate because there's just so much there's, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4394" data-t="4394">so many psy ops out there that are getting you to kind of mismatch the vibe.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4401">1:13:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4401" data-t="4401">Yeah. I mean, there's so many good Bitcoin podcasts. Yeah. Go ahead.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4405" data-t="4405">Are you and there's so many good Bitcoin podcasts out there. I feel like there's some, that I listen to on a regular basis, and then there's some that I just listen to frequently. Like, there's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4416" data-t="4416">your podcast. I listened to the episode with Michael Tidwell.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4419" data-t="4419">Once in a while, I listened to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4421" data-t="4421">American HODL and Eric Kasin when you, have them on.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4425" data-t="4425">You've got,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4428">1:13:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4428" data-t="4428">Daniel Prance. I was listening to him today.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4431" data-t="4431">You got,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4433" data-t="4433">there's just a wide assortment of people that are doing I I was listening to the Bitcoin Matrix podcast recently, and that one was kind of funny,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4442" data-t="4442">because,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4443" data-t="4443">once again, it was about the, you know, the the annoying debate that everybody's wound up about, and it was kinda toned off. But it's helpful to hear that. Guy Swan is great. I was listening to his,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4455" data-t="4455">narration of the 21 lessons by,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4458">1:14:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4458" data-t="4458">Gigi</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4460" data-t="4460">on Monday.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4461" data-t="4461">Great book.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4463" data-t="4463">Yeah. It's a, it's a very vibrant ecosystem</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4466" data-t="4466">of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4468" data-t="4468">of stuff.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4470">1:14:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4470" data-t="4470">There there's a lot of information to consume a lot of really,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4478" data-t="4478">yeah, Goomba Sly Goomba's got a podcast. I was listening to that. He had fundamentals on recently.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4485">1:14:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4485" data-t="4485">Yeah. I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4487" data-t="4487">I've been, I've I've actually been listening to NOND, but, like, podcast is kinda outside of Bitcoin whether it's comedy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4494" data-t="4494">or there's a lot of these,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4498" data-t="4498">I don't they're not really like Charlie Kirk. They're not necessarily political, but it's a very</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4503" data-t="4503">outspoken, like, for an ideology. So I've been listening to kind of some of these more,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4510" data-t="4510">extreme or,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4511">1:15:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4511" data-t="4511">controversial ones that have been really popping up and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4515" data-t="4515">kinda capturing a lot of people's attention.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4517" data-t="4517">Wait, Lee, just to see what everybody's gonna be riled up about. But when it comes to Bitcoin podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4522" data-t="4522">I mostly, I've just been listening</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4525" data-t="4525">to episodes of my friends. Like, my friends gonna be, you know, if they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4530" data-t="4530">Fundamentals has a couple podcasts,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4533">1:15:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4533" data-t="4533">you know, when Rob the Robbie Hamilton goes on podcast, I wanna listen to that. I wanna listen to, you know, Portland huddle or, you know, when somebody's gonna go on with Casey and Aaron</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4543" data-t="4543">on, the Halmani pod. Look, I wanna listen to those. I'm just trying to listen to my friends and see what they're talking about, what they're interested in, and maybe see,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4552" data-t="4552">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4553" data-t="4553">if I can help shine a light on something, if they're doing something that I think is cool, that more people should be paying attention to. So that's kind of what I've been doing. You know what I was thinking, guys? I just,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4563">1:16:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4563" data-t="4563">in preparation for this conversation, I was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4566" data-t="4566">I was thinking about podcasting, obviously.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4569" data-t="4569">And it was when I was listening to your podcast with Odell,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4572" data-t="4572">talking about the work that he does with OpenSats and that kind of stuff.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4576" data-t="4576">And I was thinking, it's it's great that we have all of the these different types of you know, HRF has a fund. There's a bunch of other funds, right, that that collect money and give it to Bitcoin developers to support the development work that they were doing. I think that that's wonderful. That's great. We should be supporting open source development on Bitcoin, on Gnostr,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4595" data-t="4595">eCash, all these things. We should be supporting it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4597">1:16:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4597" data-t="4597">But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4598" data-t="4598">why isn't there one of these nonprofit funds</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4602" data-t="4602">that is allocating money to Bitcoin podcasters?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4605" data-t="4605">Why don't we have funds,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4608" data-t="4608">you know, for why why isn't there an OpenPods?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4610" data-t="4610">Why isn't there an OpenPods</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4612">1:16:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4612" data-t="4612">that expressly supports Bitcoin podcasters</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4615" data-t="4615">so they can focus on what they do best, which is Bitcoin podcasting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4619" data-t="4619">They don't have to worry about going around and chase sponsors to pay for all their expensive microphones and stuff. They can just focus on bringing signal</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4627" data-t="4627">in a noisy world. They can focus on bringing good vibes in a world of bad vibes. Right? So I I I think, guys, what we need to do, we need to get ourselves a five zero one c three,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4637" data-t="4637">and we need to start raising money to give to a promising Bitcoin podcast. That's I'm throwing it out there. Throwing it out there. Maybe every Bitcoin podcast should be a five zero one c three itself too. I don't know. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure Chatcheap t can help me find some, find some ways to not give any money to the IRS. So let's see.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4655">1:17:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4655" data-t="4655">I think it I think it's, you know, an interesting idea. I think what's different</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4662" data-t="4662">is kind of the role of the the podcaster to go solicit people, support them in my opinion.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4667" data-t="4667">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4668" data-t="4668">you know, the pro why this works for Bitcoin development is that we know that developers are super autistic,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4675" data-t="4675">and they're not very good at talking to people. They're not really good at convincing anybody of anything. Like, they they walk into a sales pitch, and they start talking about why their</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4685" data-t="4685">c plus plus code is better than the other guys and why they're important and starting to get into all these intricate</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4692">1:18:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4692" data-t="4692">details on computer code and and the person looking at them is just like, wow. This is like, I'm ready for a nap. This is like talking to doctor Adam back or something. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4704" data-t="4704">I think that, like, we have a lot of these tools for podcasters</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4707" data-t="4707">to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4709" data-t="4709">be able to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4713" data-t="4713">get funding.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4715" data-t="4715">I think it's the hard part is just building the market</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4718">1:18:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4718" data-t="4718">for it and and giving a compelling sales pitch. Like, you've got geyser,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4723" data-t="4723">you've got which people have raised a significant amount of money on. You've got fountain,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4727" data-t="4727">you've got just the the the podcasting two point o ecosystem in general with all these other applica you know, doodads that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4735" data-t="4735">let you receive Bitcoin. You've got NOS or like the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4739" data-t="4739">the tools really are there. Like, you need you need to buy a microphone. You can't afford it. You need a computer. You can't afford it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4746" data-t="4746">They go throw up a geyser fund,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4748">1:19:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4748" data-t="4748">because it's your job to be, like, a a salesperson,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4752" data-t="4752">you know, and pitch the market.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4754" data-t="4754">So I think it's a little bit different.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4756" data-t="4756">I mean, it is an interesting idea, but I think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4762" data-t="4762">like, I would I wouldn't make fun of anybody, you know, if they wanted to make that. I I do think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4769" data-t="4769">that it like to do the five zero one C3 and support Bitcoin, Bitcoin podcasters. But what I do think</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4775">1:19:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4775" data-t="4775">is important for individuals that have a lot of money and a lot of stake in Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4781" data-t="4781">to realize the importance of Bitcoin podcast and realize the importance of this ecosystem.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4788" data-t="4788">Like you, the, the mechanisms are there to, to fund us.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4794">1:19:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4794" data-t="4794">And it's And and and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4796" data-t="4796">in creative ways,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4798" data-t="4798">in very creative, you know, time, the very there's so much program. There's so many opportunities. The opportunities is there's tons of them.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4808" data-t="4808">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4809" data-t="4809">you're right. That</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4811" data-t="4811">is is kind of on on you</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4813">1:20:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4813" data-t="4813">to solicit</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4815" data-t="4815">and explain to people why they should spend their hard earned sacks supporting your podcast. And there's a lot of podcasts. Why should they support just because you talk about Bitcoin, they should support your podcast. No. You gotta you gotta pitch them or</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4828" data-t="4828">create enough content where they you inspire</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4832" data-t="4832">them to come to you with an idea. That's kinda what you should be doing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4836" data-t="4836">And you know you could do a five zero one c three</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4839" data-t="4839">you you could do your own you know cashew bin you could do your no you could</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4845">1:20:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4845" data-t="4845">everybody</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4846" data-t="4846">create your own circular economy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4848" data-t="4848">and and you know if it gets big enough</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4851" data-t="4851">then go tell the government that you know you think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4854" data-t="4854">he'd try to get one of those exemptions maybe try to like grandfather in the file I don't know</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4859" data-t="4859">but start small you don't you don't necessarily have to go file for a PAX number just to start a podcast</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4864">1:21:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4864" data-t="4864">Yeah. But, you know, that's what the Canadian Bitcoin guys did. That's what they were telling us now. They were</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4870" data-t="4870">they they did it too early, and it's just it's too much paperwork. You wait till you need to you can hire a Jewish lawyer to do the paperwork for you. Yeah. And this And this And this And this And this And this And this And this And this And this is common sense. Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4881">1:21:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4881" data-t="4881">I will I will say, you know, Ron and I are very committed to this ecosystem. And I think you can see it because we're we're all over the podcast app and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4890" data-t="4890">we're all over Nasir's app and people.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4895" data-t="4895">And I think that's like one of the ways</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4897" data-t="4897">that, you know, for podcasters that really care about the value for value ecosystem, like part of it is being an example and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4905" data-t="4905">showing people why the ecosystem is important and how to engage in it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4910" data-t="4910">Because</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4911">1:21:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4911" data-t="4911">you know, I'm sick of Plaid Slop. And like, I think the dynamic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4916" data-t="4916">of running a value for value media</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4920" data-t="4920">company is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4922" data-t="4922">you know, your your content is the product at the end of the day, instead of just, you know, trying to promote,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4929" data-t="4929">Plaid Slop to get the biggest amount of views to to sell your sponsor on on a higher stake and, you know, get conversions for, you know, selling product,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4938" data-t="4938">because then you just become a marketing agency for,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4942">1:22:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4942" data-t="4942">a lot of other people's stuff.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4946" data-t="4946">But yeah, it's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4947" data-t="4947">I mean, it it there there's a lot of different approaches to this.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4951" data-t="4951">And I think the cool thing is that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4954" data-t="4954">you know, people will try different ideas and and have success, and we, you know, need to pay attention to where people are being successful.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4964" data-t="4964">They, they like appreciate innovation and appreciate taking risks, try new things,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4970">1:22:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4970" data-t="4970">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4973" data-t="4973">you know, kind of adapt</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4974" data-t="4974">to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4977" data-t="4977">those areas of success. But the, you know, the value for value ecosystem isn't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4981" data-t="4981">new. There's a lot of people that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4988" data-t="4988">Yeah. But anyways, yeah. Let's go to the fountain booth. I I think we're all kind of approaching that this hard stop really quick.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4995">1:23:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4995" data-t="4995">I wanted to blast her. We did get some zaps on,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4998" data-t="4998">ZapStream.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4999" data-t="4999">We got, Avi Burra.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5002" data-t="5002">Says, rare to be on a live stream with three AI generated voices.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5008">1:23:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5008" data-t="5008">That's a callback. That's a callback right there. That's that's great.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5012">1:23:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5012" data-t="5012">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5014" data-t="5014">Sovereign zapped. I was on, Brandon carpolis his podcast recently.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5018" data-t="5018">Thank you. Sovereign rock Walker use apt. So tick coin forever.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5023" data-t="5023">OD forge 40 HPW is app $2.10 cents</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5027" data-t="5027">saws all zap 2,100 sats at Miller Lite.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5031" data-t="5031">Eric can't meme zap 6,969</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5035">1:23:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5035" data-t="5035">sat said</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5036" data-t="5036">I'm retarded.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5038">1:23:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5038" data-t="5038">Oh, Eric.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5039" data-t="5039">He's the man.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5042">1:24:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5042" data-t="5042">Yeah. We I had a whole, like, text conversation,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5046" data-t="5046">in the chat with, Eric.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5048" data-t="5048">He's got some humility. If you're retarded, just admit it. It's, it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5052" data-t="5052">it's a great spot to be in.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5055" data-t="5055">But, yeah, our our last show that we did was with one of my favorite,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5059" data-t="5059">podcasters, David Bennett.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5062">1:24:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5062" data-t="5062">This guy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5063" data-t="5063">has been at it for a long time since 2018.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5067" data-t="5067">I thought it was great conversation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5070" data-t="5070">talking about a lot of similar stuff that we talked about today about the value for value ecosystem,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5076" data-t="5076">Noster, all sorts of stuff.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5079" data-t="5079">Anybody listening, I'd highly encourage you to go check out a show, Bitcoin and it's a it's a great Bitcoin news show.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5086">1:24:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5086" data-t="5086">No plug slop associated.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5090" data-t="5090">But our first boost is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5092" data-t="5092">fundamentals for 10101¢.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5094" data-t="5094">There's another excellent behind the podcast. Great run of pioneers.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5101" data-t="5101">Yeah. Are you familiar with, fundamentals, Walker?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5105">1:25:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5105" data-t="5105">I I don't know if I am.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5108" data-t="5108">Maybe</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5111" data-t="5111">I gotta see if I follow him on no stir.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5114">1:25:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5114" data-t="5114">Yeah. He's on there. He, he wrote the book, Bitcoin for institutions.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5119" data-t="5119">So he's essentially trying to teach people how to pay for Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5123" data-t="5123">responsibly.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5125">1:25:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5125" data-t="5125">You're excited. You know, he left the, you know, the high flying</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5130" data-t="5130">finance world,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5131" data-t="5131">New York City life, to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5134" data-t="5134">he has five podcasts now.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5136" data-t="5136">So he's got the back on the chain podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5140" data-t="5140">rock paper bitcoin. He's got a math where he teaches. It's like a podcast video, a lectures for mathematics. He's got the fundamentals of fundamentals podcast.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5149">1:25:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5149" data-t="5149">I I know I miss oh, he's got he does Sound Coffee with Otis Bittmeyer.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5155" data-t="5155">So yeah, active podcaster.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5158" data-t="5158">He's always podcasting,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5160" data-t="5160">he's got a lot of interesting thoughts, but yeah. Thank you fundamentals for those 10,000 sats.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5168">1:26:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5168" data-t="5168">I just followed him on Oster. He wasn't following me yet though so I don't feel as bad about not not being aware. So that's, that's good.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5178">1:26:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5178" data-t="5178">The next one is from a late stage huddle.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5181" data-t="5181">Big supporter, 5,000 stats. This episode was, full of excellent quotes from David. First of all, I wanna address that he accidentally said Bitcaster,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5190" data-t="5190">which is something I was thinking about lately instead of saying</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5193" data-t="5193">Bitcoin podcaster.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5195" data-t="5195">Imagine how many extra bitcast you could squeeze in during your forty hours per week if you didn't have to say the full Bitcoin podcaster</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5203" data-t="5203">term</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5205">1:26:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5205" data-t="5205">another quote</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5206" data-t="5206">I wake up and look at Twitter and I'm in a bad mood wake up at Noster I'm neutral</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5212" data-t="5212">this school was the best if the first thing you see in the morning is penis, doerner, nothing burger</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5217" data-t="5217">announcements</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5219" data-t="5219">then you become the nothing burger</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5222" data-t="5222">these are great these are great</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5225">1:27:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5225" data-t="5225">ideas</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5226" data-t="5226">late stage hodl</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5228" data-t="5228">I don't I I understand the logic of bit caster over bitcoin podcaster but there's something about the vibe that I just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5237" data-t="5237">I I could be wrong. I just don't feel it right now, but I do like where you're at with the, with the trying to be more efficient with our language</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5246" data-t="5246">so we can get more signal into our Bitcoin podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5249" data-t="5249">We can,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5251">1:27:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5251" data-t="5251">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5252" data-t="5252">I was kind of making a joke when I when I when I remarked on the the nostril thing and the way it makes you feel, but I'm starting to think you're right. I thought it was just a bad marketing tagline to go like, you feel nothing when you log on to an ostril. That's the way it should be, but that is the way it should be. You shouldn't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5268" data-t="5268">you should get your you should get your your vibes from your coffee or your, you know, whatever.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5274" data-t="5274">The sunlight walk, not from turning on your phone in the morning. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5279" data-t="5279">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5281" data-t="5281">They say totally agree things, you know.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5283">1:28:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5283" data-t="5283">But Caster just feels like trying to rebrand,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5286" data-t="5286">Sats to bits to me. Maybe that one could be worse off a little bit, but I feel like Bitcoin podcasters</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5292" data-t="5292">is a is a steam position.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5294" data-t="5294">It's important.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5298">1:28:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5298" data-t="5298">Yeah. Some some words are worth saying the full word, you know, it's worth it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5303" data-t="5303">It commands the respect. Yeah. Totally.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5305">1:28:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5305" data-t="5305">Do you ever do you ever hang out with the people that boost your podcast, Walker?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5311">1:28:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5311" data-t="5311">Yeah. Actually. Like, I mean, at at Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5314" data-t="5314">at Bitcoin conferences, like, there's I've I've had, like, a shocking amount of people support the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5321" data-t="5321">the show. And one of the, honestly, the coolest things</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5324" data-t="5324">about starting a Bitcoin podcast is going to Bitcoin conferences,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5328" data-t="5328">having random people come up to you that you then, like, have a beer with or, you know, hang out with for a while that are like, hey. I really like your podcast. Like, man, as a Bitcoin podcaster,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5337" data-t="5337">those that's the only thing you wanna hear. Like, that that's literally it. You just wanna hear somebody like, hey. I really like your podcast. I found it valuable. I sent you a zap on fountain or a zap on nostril.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5347">1:29:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5347" data-t="5347">Like, the that's that's, like, that's all you could ever ask for as a Bitcoin podcaster. So, yeah, it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5353" data-t="5353">it's very humbling too. It's like, wow. Here's somebody in the flesh who's giving me some of their forty hours per week.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5359" data-t="5359">Let's go ahead and have a beer together. Like, that's just a it's a it's a cool experience when you can do it in the in the meat space. Right?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5367">1:29:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5367" data-t="5367">Totally.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5368" data-t="5368">Yeah. I think it's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5370" data-t="5370">it's important to hang out with your boosters. It's important to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5373" data-t="5373">hang out with them in the group chats.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5377" data-t="5377">Stuff like that, I think, is, is just excellent. Like, I love hanging out with these guys.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5382" data-t="5382">I think I've talked to most of these boosters even today so far. Or, actually,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5387">1:29:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5387" data-t="5387">I haven't talked to late stage today yet, but talked to fundamentals and, this next one too angry comes.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5394">1:29:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5394" data-t="5394">I gotta start a group chat for my podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5396" data-t="5396">podcast. I guess that's I'm kind</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5398">1:29:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5398" data-t="5398">of behind in that regard, I suppose. Yeah. Guy guy Swan did this a long time ago. I used to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5404" data-t="5404">be a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5405" data-t="5405">subscriber to him and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5407" data-t="5407">the audio not that was a good group chat on telegram.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5411" data-t="5411">I think so.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5414" data-t="5414">Yeah. It's a good time. You concoct memes together with your listeners.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5420">1:30:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5420" data-t="5420">Two angry cunts podcast, 2220</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5424" data-t="5424">sats.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5425" data-t="5425">Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't going away. Elvis Presley.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5431" data-t="5431">An honest conversation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5433" data-t="5433">without risk of catching syphilis. Well done, fellas,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5437" data-t="5437">and remember what Elvis said.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5442">1:30:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5442" data-t="5442">You know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5446" data-t="5446">Elvis was an incredible singer. He he's, like, one of the best singers of all time.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5452" data-t="5452">Super underrated in my opinion. Like, a lot of people like Elvis, but I don't think they,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5456" data-t="5456">fully appreciate how good he is. You ever listen to Elvis?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5461">1:31:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5461" data-t="5461">Of course.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5462" data-t="5462">He's the king.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5463" data-t="5463">Right? But you're right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5465" data-t="5465">Gone too soon also. You know?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5468" data-t="5468">Too many too many such cases.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5472">1:31:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5472" data-t="5472">I do I think that's part of what makes him so good though is, you know, these people die before they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5478" data-t="5478">get old and, and lose their skill sets. Like, there's a problem a lot of singers try to go for too long.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5485">1:31:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5485" data-t="5485">Well, Elvis died on the throne. He died on the toilet. And that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5489" data-t="5489">I don't I it God forbid. But, you know, I guess the worst thing for me would not be going out on the podcast chair in the podcast studio. Amen.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5499" data-t="5499">That's what's from Daniel Daniel's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5502" data-t="5502">he's bae over on Noster he he helped us out with saturize the system</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5507" data-t="5507">in in Vegas at the conference</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5509" data-t="5509">I get to see him in the boost</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5512">1:31:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5512" data-t="5512">Really digging the conversation, especially the part about how NOSCOH</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5515" data-t="5515">is good for your mental health.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-5517" data-t="5517">There you go. People resonated with that one.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5523">1:32:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5523" data-t="5523">I wonder if people's mental health on Twitter is gonna get better now that the government shut down, the feds might not be working.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-5531">1:32:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Walker</b> <span class="cue" id="t-5531" data-t="5531">Let's hope so. I I hope they stay shut down for as long as possible.</span></span></p> +