0:00Richard Greaser Last night, the Lord gave me a dream of hope and of revival. The Lord showed me a town that was demoralized. The people were tired and the buildings were dilapidated. Once a vibrant city shining on a hill, the economy had crumbled when the coal mine that employed the townspeople had shut down, causing many people to lose their jobs. The situation seemed hopeless as a place once full of vibrant culture fell into squalor and the people struggled to pay their taxes.

0:33Richard Greaser But then a new industry came to town as well as a musician. The industry brought life and the musician brought good vibes. All of a sudden, a town that was gasping its last breaths was invigorated. People that were tired and giving up hope began to feel connection and

1:05Richard Greaser But Jesus But Jesus conquered bad vibes once and for all so that we can conquer them ourselves. I know it's hard out there. There is war on the horizon. People are arguing about relay policy. Many faithful are losing hope that president Trump will pump our meme coins and usher in the God candle.

1:40Richard Greaser But church, you do not need to wait for the God candle to have good vibes. Let us reject temptation to be grumpy. The world needs a good vibes revival, so let us start here today on the first day of October. Now church, let's sing and usher the good vibe revival into this world here and now.

2:05Rod Palmer The weight of the world tests my faith. I try to repent, but it feels too

3:00Richard Greaser Summer is over. It's officially October. The season of pressing up in costumes to celebrate green candles and slurp down pumpkin spice plevsla.

3:12Richard Greaser But Sohner 2024, best known for being paper Bitcoin summer, was all about vibes. Nobody understands vibes better than the capitalist Bitcoin pioneers who branded them, monetized them, and sold them at Vibes Capital Management. Influencers,

3:32Richard Greaser Suiccoiners, and podcasters headlined Paper Bitcoin Summer draped in the hottest vibes. Vibes Capital Management was at one time growing faster than Fleneter's paper Bitcoin mute list on Twitter. And then the rainy weather washed out the summer,

3:49Richard Greaser and the vibe seemed to dampen. There's no better time for a great vibes revival in October. All time highs in USDT and vibes are just a few sailor pumps away in We're Here with Walker from the Tick Fike podcast

4:09Richard Greaser to talk about the return of the Vibes bull market. Feels like, we just did this yesterday, Walker. How's it how's it going?

4:20Walker It's it's it's going great. It's nice to be on the other side of the microphone with you guys. Even though I guess we're all still on the same side of the microphone. So

4:30Richard Greaser That's right. And if you don't know what he's talking about, we were just on his podcast, the TikTok podcast, last week or so. It came out Monday, though. Fantastic. But we talked about plex we already talked about the plex slap. We already got the the pumpkin spice. And, but we didn't talk too much about the vibes. We just talked about the the strength of the vibes in the vibes group chat.

4:58Richard Greaser How's everybody feel and how is the, paper bitcoin summer? How how is everybody's paper Bitcoin summer over at Vibes?

5:06Walker Well, I think some some people's paper Bitcoin summers were better than others. You know, it's funny because everybody assumes that, like, if you're a podcaster, if you're a Bitcoin podcaster, you must have been let in on like all of these pipe deals. I didn't even know what a pipe deal was. I thought a pipe deal was something totally different and I had to Google it and be like okay better go in a you know secure browser for this. Apparently it's it's it's not what I thought it was. But you know, as a podcaster, people just assume you get invited to these things, and the reality is that you don't. And people assume that people make a lot of assumptions about podcasters. And really at the end of the day, it's like, boy, it's it's a slog out here to be a podcaster. Not only do you have to struggle to try and find a sponsor,

5:51Walker to try and, you know, get invited to these pipe deals, but you usually fail at both. I didn't really try to get invited to any pipe deals. It just wasn't. You know, I thought that my card carrying PodConf approved, status would allow me to get access to these to these paper Bitcoin deals. It didn't. So, I mean, personally, I don't know what I'm paying dues for at this point to PodConf. It's just a little confusing.

6:13Rod Palmer Totally. A lot of people have been wondering what whatever happened to Vimes Capital. I know we discussed this. It sounds like Vimes Capital still thing. The social presence has fallen off. What it seems like is Vibes Capital was kinda like the minor leagues, getting people that were really talented and skilled, prepared for the big time, working for a paper Bitcoin company. So, you know, famously, Lubbka, you know, one of the biggest members of, Vibes Capital,

6:44Rod Palmer went and started working for NACA and kinda used that as his launch. Do you have plans yourself to be a podcaster for a paper Bitcoin company, or are you happy and satisfied with your role at Vibes Capital?

7:00Walker You know, I'm I'm pretty happy to be just, to be just selling vibes, you know, because you can't you can't sell paper vibes. Right? The vibes have to be the the original bearer instrument. And I think that's a powerful thing. So for me, it's like, am I looking for a, you know, podcaster in chief role at one of these paper Bitcoin companies? I I am not. I like to be a free agent, to be honest with you. I I wouldn't want, you know, I wouldn't want to sell out the tit coin brand. Right? And I know that, you know, probably if one of these companies did end up approaching me, you know what the first thing they do is? They'd say, we like the show, but you gotta take the tit coin part out.

7:41Walker And I think there's just fundamentally there's a lot of, there's a lot of anti, a lot of anti tit hate out there, which is strange. It's strange. I I've actually I've I've, lost out on sponsorships because of this because they were like, you're just a bit too edgy and you got tit in the name. And I'm like, good. You know what that name is there for? First of all, it's hilarious. Duh. Second,

8:04Walker it's a filter. Because if you can't take a good tit pun about Bitcoin, then what are we even doing here? What are we my wife came up with tit coin, and you know what she has? Tits. So don't come here and try to moralize to me about how having tit in the name of your podcast and your podcast handle is somehow inappropriate.

8:25Walker What I think is inappropriate is really just denigrating the role that tits have played in all of our lives. Because you know what? Everybody either loves tits, has tits, or grew up sucking on tits. Name someone who didn't or doesn't, you know? And that's what I'd like to say.

8:42Rod Palmer I don't think Matthew Crowder likes tits pretty much.

8:47Richard Greaser You You know it's also it's also it also it's also making a statement right? Like if you have a controversial podcast where you talk about tits, it it makes a statement for the hardware wallet to say we don't, if you don't like tits we don't want you to use our hardware wallet. And it's like, dude, that's the hardware wallet that supports tits.

9:14Richard Greaser That's a differentiator. You know what I mean? Like, it it people don't just care about the open source or, like, how you put together your hardware wallet or if it's air gap. They care about the community, and they wanna they wanna transact adversarially with people who are not afraid of tits.

9:31Walker Everybody always says we need more women in Bitcoin. Right? Well, you know what women have, guys? They have tits. So, you know, like, at least, unless you're one of those, you know, those loony tunes who thinks that men can I'm sure men can have man boobs, but but not tits. Like, let's leave the tits for the women. Let's let's try not to to male feminize our way, out of women being the ones that have tits, and let's support that. And if we want more women in Bitcoin, we need to be more tit inclusive not tit exclusive I think.

10:04Richard Greaser It's also you know it is coincidental usually the guys who are the most, critical about tits in Bitcoin are the guys who have the biggest tits in Bitcoin they just don't want the competition for the big tits in Bitcoin like some, they like some like, you know I love him J. W. Weatherman he's very anti tit

10:26Richard Greaser but he's also the big he's like the biggest boob in Bitcoin, so it's it's kinda hypocritical.

10:31Walker It's it's it's sad to see when people have this, and it's like, I I I don't know what happened during your early childhood development or or what, you know, what woman hurt you at some point, but, like, it'll be okay, bud. Just just go touch some grass and just remember tits are a nurturing thing. Right? They're they're givers of life. Let's not, you know, let's not chase them away. Let's embrace them.

10:58Rod Palmer Yeah. I mean, for these companies that aren't sponsoring you for that, it seems like a tactical mistake because look at Sydney Sweeney and how her tits came onto the scene.

11:08Walker Maybe they just don't wanna be associated with being fascist, Like, boobs are fascist now, or at least nice ones are. But who knows? Yeah. Yeah. I think I think that's the key. They have to be nice to be fascist. Like, nobody is saying that, you know, the, the, Ozempic meeting, you know, blue haired tits are are somehow fascist. Like, those are obviously communist tits. I think Yeah. We we can all we all know a communist tit when we see one. You know what I mean? Like, Greg Foss tits are communist tits for sure. I don't know about that, but I I do love old old Fosse. I I I miss his energy. You know? I miss I miss his unbridled energy,

11:48Walker and and his love of Bitcoin. We we need more of that energy, just pure. Less of the, you know, whiny little bitch energy and more just like go fuck yourself energy. Whether whether who cares where those go fuck yourselves are flying? Just let the g f y's fly and let the sats flow.

12:06Richard Greaser Yeah. You know, I'll say this about Fawcett. But what I the way I tell people, you know, if they're being critical or they're nagging me about something, I say, I don't care about your opinion on this matter. If you haven't listened to forty hours of Bitcoin podcast per week, you're just not at my level. Hey it's like seeing with Grey he's like if you haven't sat in the risk chair I don't want to hear it and he's y'all the hope he comes back and then she dragged no we had some tough and fastens but that's what happens when you sit in the risk chair and and you're like the man in the arena it's like the man in the studio

12:39Walker you know you either sit in the wrist chair or you sit in the cuck chair which one do you want

12:43Richard Greaser exactly and you know coincidentally yesterday the secretary of war Pete Hegseth he told America's generals that you don't have no more man tits in the army no more non binary green green beret army rangers it is we're going back to you a certain you know

13:04Richard Greaser gotta have some order some discipline some you gotta look hot and we gotta focus on hot tips that's what we gotta focus on.

13:12Walker Yeah I agree and I I thought that was hilarious too like basically just being like you guys gotta stop being quit being so fat. You know? Like and and and we really should. Like, you you're gonna go into the fourth turning as just a fat lard? What? Like, no. No. That's not a fourth turning body. That's I I or maybe it is, actually. But, like, you're not the one coming out the other side of that turning. You know what I mean? Not not with those man boobs. That's for sure.

13:43Rod Palmer So one thing one thing I wanna know about you, you started podcasting, I believe, in 2023. So right around a similar time that, Bugle launched. I don't have an exact date on when you started, but, what what were your motivations to get into podcasting? You you came

14:04Rod Palmer in during a bear market, and, the vibes were, you know, relatively low. Some podcasters from the last cycle that were really notorious dropped off and and you really, you know, stepped into the void and, became

14:22Rod Palmer a relatively big podcaster with a, you know, influential voice in the ecosystem. What what was your inspiration to start podcasting about Bitcoin?

14:33Walker Well, I guess it was, like, the the reason for doing it was because we stopped, my, smoking hot wife and I stopped making short form content, for which we were primarily known, when she got pregnant or what a couple months into her being pregnant. She was she's the one who did all the all the cool editing stuff, the final cuts and all those things. And she was the one who did the singing. Like, I was just I was just the face,

14:59Walker just, a little bit of the the voice, and and help him with the script writing. And so she was doing the lion's share of the work, and she was like, I I don't wanna do this anymore. I'm I'm pregnant. Like, I'm I'm done doing stuff. I was like, I fully support that. And so what is a man to do? What is a man to do to be able to step into his new role as not just a husband but as a father to prepare for that? And what kind of what kind of example do you want to set for your future child, for your future son? Well, what better example to set than to be a Bitcoin podcaster, really? And so that's exactly what I did. I just just started making Bitcoin podcasts. I think it was around August 2023.

15:42Walker And, you know, like, you guys know this, that it's a slog at first trying to get people to, you know I I didn't even start publishing video at first. I was just doing the RSS feed because I was like, it's a it's a podcast. Like, it's not supposed to have video. Like and then I, apparently, I never watched podcasts on YouTube, like, at all. I thought I was, like, kinda lame. I would just listen to them.

16:06Walker You know, that's how I get my forty hours per week audio only, and I just assume most people did that. It turns out most people watch video, which is, like, kind of, like, shocking. So I was like, oh, better start doing this as video. And did that, but it's a it's a slog to to grow these channels, to grow these streams. But for me, the goal was always create the podcast I want

16:30Walker to listen to myself. Create one that I think has the elements that, combining the elements that are currently in disparate areas. So I I wanted the American you know, to create the American version of a, you know, Peter, Batman, McCormick podcast,

16:48Walker where, you know, it's just a it's a lot of shit talking, and it's, everyone's having a good time. And it's casual and relaxed because that's how I like to have conversations, not like that Lex Fridman style of, like, when did you first realize your mother didn't love you, and how did that lead to your career in b to b sales? Like, no. Fuck that.

17:13Walker Shit. And but I also wanted I wanted to do reads of stuff because, like, I love Guy Swan's podcast. It's a great Bitcoin podcast, Bitcoin Audible. It's killer. Like, he fills an incredible niche there. But I didn't wanna read just strictly Bitcoin stuff. I wanted to read Austrian economic stuff, and so I started doing that as well. And I was like, well, I also wanna get some news in here because, like, that's what I wanted. So I was like, well, I should just do, like, a, you know, a news roundup as well. So I was doing that. And I was but I started with just the news roundup and the, and the out loud reads. Stop doing the news roundup. I've done a a few of them in recent times, but, honestly, there there it's it's a ton of work to pull together all that news to aggregate it. And so then it started leaning more heavily into just the long form interview stuff. But, ultimately, the goal was create the podcast that I want to listen to and bring value to my fellow plebs. I have a Fiat job still.

18:08Walker I'd I would continue Bitcoin podcasting if I never made another dime on it. I I think I said this to you guys in our last conversation. Like, I I don't have sponsors right now. I have been in between sponsors for a while except for Bitbox. Shout out to them. They sponsored me very early on, and have stuck with me. But they just do, like, a couple episodes a month, and I publish a lot of episodes. And so, like, just been trying to do value for value episodes recently. And we can talk about that a little bit because value for value is a it's an interesting game. Like, I would never actually be able to pay the bills with value for value, at least not right now and probably not for a long time, but maybe someday. But yeah. As a Bitcoin podcaster I'm rambling here so feel free to cut me off.

18:49Richard Greaser So one of the things we ought to talk about is this you know importance of Bitcoin podcast and one of the terms we use is getting enough entropy so you know you you need to listen to macro podcasts, you need to listen to privacy podcasts, you need to listen to technical podcasts, you need to listen to,

19:13Richard Greaser you know, pick your category, astrology even they've got podcasts, bitcoin podcasts on with astrology, and you got enough entropy and you're really condensing the value of the signal you're getting and it's it's like you can create your own private keys all you need is enough entropy and you it's just a blank slate you can accumulate so much value that is controlled by those private keys so when you create a podcast you are having to go out and listen to forty hours per week with all this entropy so you can create a unique perspective, a unique experience, a unique format for your podcast so you can provide

19:54Richard Greaser real authentic value. And we talk about this all the time but you you just explained it like totally normally like we're using all these crazy memes and you just explained your journey of and the importance of listening to podcasts and the the sanctity and the wait and the decision to make a podcast it's like a new father he put it all right there into one good example and that's what we're always talking about we need more good examples Bitcoin podcasters should are

20:23Richard Greaser good examples

20:26Walker and and we're also good I think that we are good punching bags that's that's another thing as a bitcoin podcaster you need to realize that part of your role is for people to hate you when arguments start of a technical nature and they can't actually engage with the technical argument, so then they need to find the non technical person who is very vocal and and talks a lot, has a deep rumbling voice, incredible hair, and a smoking hot wife, and you need to attack that guy.

20:57Walker Or you need to attack the guys who are, who are, you know, full anon such as yourselves because you're Bitcoin podcasters too. You put a target on your back as a Bitcoin podcaster where when the going gets tough, everybody points their finger at the Bitcoin podcaster and says, it's your fault. And and honestly, I love it though because it's great if as Bitcoin podcasters, we can provide that cover for the builders who are doing the real work. Right? It's like cypherpunks write code. Bitcoin podcasters, get called retard all the time so that cypherpunks can write code. And I think that that that symbiotic relationship is so important. And and that's why, again, we need more Bitcoin podcasters because we need more Bitcoin developers. But to have more Bitcoin developers, you need more Bitcoin podcasters providing that cover for them, really. You know, like, we're all in the foxhole together. Like, we gotta lay down that suppressing fire in the form

21:49Walker of podcasts. Totally.

21:53Rod Palmer I mean, one of the one of the things that I think is, hampering the scaling of Bitcoin podcasts is lack of controversy. Like a lot of people are arguing about the same things that people have been arguing for a long time, recycled

22:11Rod Palmer arguments over and over again. We need a whole new set of arguments. Are you in favor of any contentious Bitcoin code changes in order to, or, or just general purity tests being entered into

22:30Rod Palmer the conversation to have a higher demand for more podcasts with people to argue about things?

22:37Walker I I'm always, I'm always advocating for more just, just more outrage, I guess. We need to make sure that Bitcoiners stay outraged. What I would like to see ideally is more outrage directed externally. Like, we're getting rat fucked by the central bankers and the fiat politicians. And instead of being like, hey. Quit rat fucking us, you rat fuckers. Like, we're gonna we're gonna donkey fuck you right back. We're busy rat fucking each other here in the Bitcoin ecosystem.

23:08Walker And I just think most of that is a is a colossal waste of time. So I'm all about the controversy, but I'd like to see the ire that is that is brewing amongst Bitcoiners. I'd like to see more of that directed externally at the existential threats to bitcoin you know what I mean? I

23:26Richard Greaser I agree with you in theory but in practice when we see the rat fucking that goes on in the industry it's a) these guys don't have credentials so they're they're bringing up all these legal theories and all these legal ramifications and oh this is gonna be illegal if we change the code they don't they're not lawyers

23:47Richard Greaser do you not understand the law that you even even Zabo was getting dunked on this week because he didn't understand safe harbor laws and other laws and he he should have because he was a cypherpunk beef you know when the regulatory clarity was not there in the nineties so you shouldn't be saying it either way

24:06Walker Zabo does I'm pretty sure he he got a law degree just for shits and gigs which is like as one does you know

24:13Richard Greaser sorry continue well he did not he didn't have anybody you know to your review his legal theory. Samson's not a good enough reviewer for legal theory okay? You better at least ask GPT more after Samson but you know it's they're not very good at it their arguments are pretty retard I mean,

24:34Richard Greaser shinomi's calling them retarded left and right retardedly they're making all kinds of announcements absurd announcements that every they're people they're getting laughed at they're not good at we do need to baby rat fuck a little fire sharpens iron we need a little bit more controversy a little bit more drama we need a few more practice rounds before we take on the states it's if you lose that one it's over I mean we want to be ready

25:00Walker I'm I I I agree with that and that's that's a that's a that's a good point perhaps all of the internal rat fucking within the Bitcoin community is really it's this necessary step it's the practice that we go through it's our it's our sandbox to play in you know before we go in to the, the big wide world of, you know, the the central bank rat fucking. Because, like, they those guys do operate on a different, a different playing field with a a different set of, let's say but they got they have bigger bags they're bringing to the table. You know what I mean? They don't even necessarily need to be good at what they do. They've got the intent entrenched power system on their side, and they've got the money printer. Right? So we don't have either of those things, but we do have better memes. And, you know, that's one thing. I

25:46Walker the memes, I've gotta say, Bitcoin memes are better in bear markets. From my I I have not I've only been around for, like, just over a cycle now, you know, got it in 2020. And the bear market memes were great.

26:01Walker Right? I feel like they had some actual soul to them. Now the memes are like what liberals try to do when they when they meme, which just ends up not being funny. And it's like weird force and there's like way too many words, on their, you know, on whatever their image is. They put, like, way too many words on there because they gotta make sure they get the whole point out right and, like, you know, have Chat GbT write a little bit of their meme for them because they're not actually clever enough to think of it themselves. And it's like, it's just lame. It's just lame. We need, I I if there's one thing people should should strive to do, it is make better memes.

26:36Walker But if you try to make better memes, you're gonna end up making shittier memes. Like, I think you're trying to make better memes right now. Try less. Try less, but do more.

26:46Richard Greaser Yeah the very similar situation with like the US military or you know it's when they're dealing with The Middle East we're sending over these you know trillion dollar projects these kit aircraft carriers and these f-35s f-22s and we're using this while very vastly superior vastly more expensive

27:10Richard Greaser military force and we're just to shoot down these little cheap drones and it's like what if you're you know I don't want to call anybody out here but a good example mechanic he's just writing these long threads they're just very dramatic and very performative and all of that is just getting struck down by shinobi just dropping retarded if you you can't fight like these long threads against retard you have to have tighter memes because everybody they can you have to have a tighter meme and you have to have more frequency

27:41Walker Yeah. I agree with that. And, you know, but and it is good that we call out Mechanic. Right? It is good that we ridicule Mechanic. Why? Because Mechanic is a Bitcoin podcaster. And when you step up to the microphone, you know what you're doing. You know you are going to get ridiculed. Right? And you need to be prepared for that mechanic. He knew what he was getting into when he sat down in that studio. Right? When he started when he just said, I'm gonna become a Bitcoin podcaster, mom. I'm gonna do it. And I support him being a Bitcoin podcaster. He's a pretty pretty convincing one. Like, especially if you listen without volume, like, it's really good. Like, it honestly, like, it's it's compelling. And if and if you listen just with a little bit of volume too, because he's got kinda that cool accent, like, that's that's neat. Like, we don't have cool accents. Right? Like, wish we did. That's like a such a podcasting hack, but you gotta be born with it. Right? And and, unfortunately, some of us just aren't. We're just

28:34Walker goddamn red blooded Americans. Right? But we play the hands we're dealt. And for him, though, again, I think it's it's great that he's Bitcoin podcasting right now. And, you know, I hope that he's listening to his forty hours per week too, though. That's what I'm not so sure of. Because as a podcaster, you still have to take in your forty hours per week. You don't get a you don't get a pass to that. You know?

28:55Richard Greaser Richard Richard, are you gonna let are you gonna let him do the way it was saying that, mechanic has a cool accent?

29:02Rod Palmer Well, Well, I think we talked about it on the last show. I think we're on the same page about this, about the psyop of the Yeah. The British accents. Yeah. I mean, it'd be interesting to have somebody and go and, run his voice through, take the transcripts and run it through, you know, a text to voice thing and an American accent to to see if people, you know, think differently about the things he's saying. But, you know, one of the great services

29:30Rod Palmer that Mechanic is providing the ecosystem is there there's people that have gained a lot of relevancy that they probably wouldn't have had before, you know, through being able to argue with him constantly. So you look at, like, mister HODL. Mister Hoddle doesn't have big win podcast. But in many ways, he's, you know, he he was a big deal back in the day, but he's kinda got into the second wind

29:56Rod Palmer as a result of being able to argue with mechanic and to be able to dunk on him. You know, mechanics given a lot of people a reason to podcast he's given. You know, when you confuse the plebs What they oftentimes do is they they want to listen to more podcast in order to try and come to a conclusion on something. And so he's created a tremendous amount of demand for the Bitcoin content ecosystem. Podkoff, I know is stoked.

30:26Rod Palmer I know people were excited to go to these PodConference events and see these guys argue. They, you know, mechanics hold a bunch of tickets for them. Like, look how dramatic BCC plus plus was in Austin. That was, you know, people typically look at technical conferences and they're like, oh, this is boring. You know, I don't want to listen to, you know, these autistic people, but being

30:52Rod Palmer able to get mechanic and Luke on stage with Jameson and Shinobi and Matt Carollo. It's a big deal. People people are gonna pay for tickets is I mean, that's kind of like, you know, whenever Connor McGregor fights, in the UFC. And, so, yeah, I I would say mechanic has done a tremendous amount for the PodCon ecosystem. He he,

31:22Rod Palmer yeah.

31:23Walker Just, you know, give give him a round of applause. I might even have a might even have an applause thing. I'll I'll get the applause thing ready later. So because we should, you know. We should applaud anyone who is Bitcoin podcasting. Just the sheer act of Bitcoin podcasting is an act is a is a brave act. Right? It doesn't matter what you're saying as long as it is about Bitcoin. Because I and like you said, you know, the controversy sells. And, like, that's selling tickets. That that's supporting that PodConf ecosystem. And I think that that is a really just it's a it's a crucial mission, really.

31:57Richard Greaser Well, yeah. And go ahead.

31:60Rod Palmer Yeah. I mean, one of the challenges I think we all have? So so Rod had a very, you know, incredible monologue recently, a couple weeks ago, that, made it circles a lot of people listen to, and he talked about disengaging for the debate. So one of the challenges I think we all have as Bitcoin podcasters is

32:23Rod Palmer like trying to be discussing relevant topics. But, you know, when whenever the plaids get wrapped up in a topic that doesn't matter, there's so much inertia in it. And so if you're talking about something completely different that you think matters

32:43Rod Palmer more. It's hard to get them to change direction and view your content. I'm curious on how you navigate those types of, forces, you know, to, there there's a temptation to engage with the current thing, even if it doesn't matter.

33:05Rod Palmer How do you think are some good ways to approach that issue of letting other people define the conversation entirely and not really having a role in it versus trying to define the conversation yourself and talk about the things that matter to you?

33:21Walker That's a great question. I don't know. I I was my intent was to completely stay out of this whole, debate du jour. I

33:34Walker it just felt like it should be pretty self evident this wasn't as big of a deal as people were making it and that this was obviously gonna blow over, and this was something that was being used to whip people up into a little bit of a frenzy and to give people the feeling that they are able to to do something, either they're and that they are saving Bitcoin because Bitcoin is in danger. There is an existential threat that we must address and and and that I am the person who needs to to champion this by repeating what other people say and by retweeting the right things, that that's what will save Bitcoin, and then I'm doing my part. Right? And so I was just kind of just disinterested with the the debate because, again, I just

34:15Walker I've I've thought about the game theory of Bitcoin enough in a non click baity way with, you know, game theory. But, like, genuinely thinking like, if you spend any meaningful amount of time thinking about this and about how the, the economics of these things work, you probably weren't that worried about all of this. And then I decided to wade into it because, you know, my my sweet smoking out wife, asked a genuine question. He was saying, like, I I still don't understand how how filters work. This was a couple months ago. And I was like, well, you know, I've got a funny meme for this. Like, you know, I'll give the wife an old quote tweet and, you know, do that, the mister and principal meme where it's like, you know, how does, like, x work? And, like, that's the neat thing. It doesn't.

34:55Walker And I was like, how do filters work? That's the neat thing. They don't. And I just posted that. I thought it was a hilarious meme. Short, sweet, to the point. The vitriol with which that meme was greeted made me go like, oh. Oh, okay.

35:10Walker Wow. People are more amped up about this than I thought. Okay. Stay still stayed out of it for a little while. And and and I've done a couple of shows about this. I don't again, it was just called the silent k. Done a couple of shows

35:30Walker with this as as a part of it, not as necessarily the whole focus. And, honestly, like and those shows, people have again, people have this fucking retarded idea that, like, if they designate you as an influencer because nobody calls themselves an influencer unless you're a fucking loser. Right? Like, I don't consider myself an influencer. Like, I'm literally just a guy who started making stupid

35:54Walker short form videos with his smoking hot wife and then started a Bitcoin podcast. If you wanna be influenced by me, that's on you, bro. Like, you know, be your own influencer. You don't need to be influenced by anyone else. But people like to call you this when you have somehow gotten a decent following. And they have this idea that, well, if you are saying things that are that are against what my opinions are, you're saying things I don't like and I somehow view that as out of character for you you because usually you say the things I like. You say the things about Bitcoin that I like. I say I say those things and you say those things. So we must all think the same thing. And now you're saying something that I don't like. And it makes me feel uncomfortable because I haven't thought that deeply about it. I've just been, you know, I've been getting influenced by other people.

36:40Walker And that must mean that you are on the take from somebody. It must mean that you are taking money from somebody that you are that you're, quote, compromised. You know, that you've been compromised. And you and you're now a a spam apologist, and you're, you know, you're going to bat for core, and all of these things. And it's like, no. No, guys. Not

37:05Walker not going to bat for anyone. Certainly not compromised. Like, fuck. If if you can find somebody who wants to compromise me and start paying me, please let me know. I would love to start, you know, making some money. That'd be great. That'd be fantastic. So if you wanna you wanna sponsor my my being compromised, by all means. I'm I'm really I'm compromised by pleb zaps, mostly. So, like, I guess the plebs have compromised me. But

37:29Walker I haven't changed how I view things. Like, you've just been influenced in a different direction. I just have a different opinion on something than you do. That's okay. Like, we should have that. It's not that big of a deal. We should still be able to debate it in a respectful and cordial manner. But that's not what we've seen. And an interesting thing for me was, like,

37:52Walker people like to say, oh, like, you know, you're you're just you're just doing this very because you know, to get to get attention or things like that. I'm like, guys, guys, me me talking about this whole silent k debate has, like, has been a negative. Like, if I actually cared about, you know, my, quote, influencer

38:13Walker status, which again, I don't, and I think that's a stupid word. Stop being influenced by other people. Influence yourself. But if I actually cared about that, I would just not talk about this at all, or I would just be like, I am pro silent k. I'm running silent k because that is the thing that gets everybody being like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're on our our side. It it it's the, in terms of people vocally speaking out, it's the minority opinion to be like, no. I think that's just that's like, do whatever you want, but you're not actually doing anything meaningful

38:45Walker by running SilentK. Like, you you can do it. Feel free. Do whatever you want. I think it's great. I think it's fantastic. But we're still just both Bitcoiners because we have the same consensus rules for Bitcoin. Your mempool policy, as Michael Tidwell says, your mempool policy doesn't make you a different Bitcoiner, your relay policy doesn't make you a different Bitcoiner, your consensus rules do. And so I think it's funny that a couple of the episodes I posted with like, the one I posted with Tidwell, who's an awesome dude, built TabConf, is also a Bitcoin podcaster, has been for many years. Just a chill dude, family guy, super smart, super hilarious, great at chess too. I could go on and on. I love Tidwell. That episode just got so much random random hate and, like, super low numbers. Like, these aren't, like, numbers that are blowing up because people don't wanna hear opinions

39:32Walker that contradict what they believe. When they've dug in their heels, people want to have their biases confirmed. They do not want to challenge what they have I accepted as part of their identity. Like, this is a game of ultimately, like, identity node politics right now. That's what we're experiencing. Yeah. And I just and it's a leftist tool, ultimately. So it's very funny when people are saying the core devs are all leftist it's like I'm seeing more of the leftist tactics from a different camp but I'm not the one like there is no red there is no blue there are the retards and you you know they are you

40:06Richard Greaser it's like yeah the the Nazis are like hard to call themselves the an- the anti communist or the anti- you know, anticordinist but it's, you know, you have to- it's your actions not what you call yourself, right? It's it's once- it's not about what's in our men pool it's once in our blocks it's not about like it's not it's not about I could tell my my my grandpa who's disciplining me it's not about the tattoos grandpa it's about what's in my heart I can still go to heaven with tattoos and it's so you know you say like we're we're both you're saying like we are both big winners at the end of the day and they're just trying to find reasons

40:43Richard Greaser to say why somebody's not they just wanna it's an exclusive thing I don't know I don't I think it's gonna still play out. Whatever the the anger and the animosity and, like, the real root of this conflict is, I really don't think it's about ordinals, and I don't think it's really about being in men pools. I think it's something deeper

41:06Richard Greaser and he was just they, you know, hacked it to mechanic for being such a good podcaster that he got the plaids riled up enough that

41:17Richard Greaser people are starting to work out their differences and starting to transact evidence and I'm just all getting along and pretending to get along because we're all, you know, in this fight with bitcoin together it's like well, we do have disagreements and we've been avoiding it too long but with conflicts this high you know I just saw a video a TikTok of some some lady at a at a full NFL game and she she pissed off this other guy and her boyfriend had to to fight this other guy and it was like, oh man, not a great situation if the other guy's huge.

41:52Richard Greaser But you're in like a rare situation or it's not super rare but your wife is, you know, maybe used to be more famous than you. But your pocket, does she ever piss off other podcasters who didn't come after you, and you gotta defend yourself from the plebs and from podcasters? Because your wife went and wrote some checks that your, you know, your mic couldn't hash.

42:16Walker Usually, it's, the the the recent theme has been, control your husband, that she's had commented to her a bunch, which we both her and I find hilarious. And so, you you know, usually, she's, she doesn't like to wade into these things,

42:34Walker you know, too much. She's busy being, an amazing mother and, you know, actually creating value in this world by raising our son. So she doesn't take too much time for the keyboard warriors that are out there, you know, pretending that they're changing the world, without actually doing anything meaningful.

42:54Walker It's usually me, that that that gets, that gets her into trouble through through the power of this gosh darn microphone. You know, it's a but with a great microphone comes great responsibility, I guess. And and, again, I knew I knew this the chair I was sitting in. Right? I'm sitting in the it's not the wrist chair. It's the podcaster's chair. And, ultimately, it's a, you know, it's it's a risk to sit in that podcaster's chair, but it's one that it's, if if if not us, then who? And if not now, when? Probably never. Like, personally, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna keep on podcasting. And this is why I encourage anybody who has grievances,

43:32Walker just start a Bitcoin podcast and start talking about them. Then you too can have other people call you an influencer. And you can be like well I'm not an influencer and they'll be like yes you are you loser and you'll be like and then and then it'll all come full circle guys you just have to start a podcast to begin that journey

43:52Richard Greaser So would your advice you know, I think there's gonna be a time when as a Bitcoin podcaster, you're gonna say or do something and the whole everybody's gonna be talking about it, your wife's gonna hear about it, your family might hear about it, they're gonna people are gonna be complaining and saying that you said something or did something controversial. And so you're saying your advice in this situation is to just tell your wife to worry about the kids, you'll worry about the podcast.

44:21Walker Exactly. Like, my wife doesn't listen to my podcast, and she shouldn't. She gets a she gets a pod a Bitcoin podcast every time we talk. I mean, lucky her, really. So you're, you know, your wife shouldn't be listening to your podcast.

44:36Walker That's that that's that's not what it's about. If your wife needs to listen to your podcast, then you guys aren't talking enough. Alright? Like, there shouldn't need to be a microphone separating you and your wife. Alright, guys? So, you know, I say Bitcoin podcast with your wife every time you guys are talking around the kitchen table. That's where the Bitcoin podcast happen with the with your families around that kitchen table. Right? Save save the Bitcoin podcasting with the actual microphones. Save that for your fellow plebs. But, you know, but may make every conversation with family, make it a Bitcoin podcast.

45:12Rod Palmer Totally. We're going into this environment where I think the vibes in in there's a pretty good chance that the vibes for many people interacting with Bitcoin are gonna be tested

45:31Rod Palmer even more so than they are today. I think in the the world of the the non Bitcoin podcast listener, the vibes are gonna just continue to reach all time lows. I think those people are really grasping at straws. They don't really have a lot of sense of direction and hope. As far as for you and just

45:55Rod Palmer for people in general, how do how do you feel what are some six or just helpful ways to raise the vibes, for yourself and the people you care about and your the the listeners of your podcast? Like, where where are you thinking about that? Well,

46:13Walker I think one of the key things is touch grass and get sunshine before you step in front of the microphone. Because if you're going into a Bitcoin podcast and you have not recently grounded and basked in the glory of the sun, you're just already starting with a bad vibe. Right? That's, I mean, that's just like one zero one stuff.

46:31Richard Greaser Gotta send your moles. Gotta send your moles.

46:34Walker Sun as much as you can. Right? As as as much as you can, you need to get that skin exposed. Even if it's cold, like, I don't I don't wanna hear it. A little cold shock is gonna be a good thing for you. That's gonna get your mind more agile and your body prepared to sit in that podcaster's chair. The next thing you need to do is remember that, you know, you probably don't need to take everything quite so seriously. It's okay to have a little bit of fun. It's okay to make jokes. It's okay to laugh, and you should also be able to laugh at yourself. If you can't laugh at yourself,

47:08Walker somebody else is going to laugh at you, probably many someones. Right? So be able to make fun of things, be able to make fun of yourself, and be able to have a good time with it. Like, money and state has been separated. It's our job now to keep it that way. Right? Buy Bitcoin podcasting. We may as well have some fun along the way. Otherwise, what are we doing here? Then we're just like the TradFi suits. If we can't have a little fun, if we can't make a little tit a little bit tit pun every now and then, what's the point of any of it? Right? So I'd say have fun.

47:45Walker And and the third point is, I guess, if you wanna keep the vibes high, you really shouldn't give a fuck what anyone says. Like, the only people whose opinions you should actually care about are your families. Like, you should care what your wife thinks. You should care what your children think. You should care what your parents and some close relations think. Maybe once you get out to second cousin, you can start, you know, stop caring, but depending on how cool that cousin is. But you really shouldn't give a fuck what random people on the Internet think. Like, if you do,

48:17Walker you are gonna have bad vibes throughout your life because most people on the Internet are just retarded. Like and and that's not to say that I myself am not retarded often. I identify as retarded. So, yes, I I am often retarded. But, like, if you are going to internalize what random people online who have never had a beer with you in person

48:41Walker think about you, like, you're in for a a world of trouble, buddy. You're just gonna have bad vibes. So the people whose thoughts about you you should care about are those whom you love. Everyone else's, take it with a grain of salt. Don't pay too much attention to it. If it's constructive criticism or a suggestion for how you can be a better Bitcoin podcaster,

49:04Walker that's different. You should you should listen to that. You should listen to the people who are listening to you or giving you part of their forty hours per week. But that doesn't mean you need to internalize all the bad vibes that all the other people put out there. Right? Bad vibes abound and bad vibes are basically bad bad vibes are the noise. Right? Good vibes are the signal and you need to focus on that signal. Otherwise, you will be swallowed in a sea of bad vibes noise. So touch

49:34Walker grass, sun your balls Yeah. And sun as much of your body as you can before podcasting. I forgot what the second one was already. And then don't give too oh, don't take yourself too seriously. Don't take anything too seriously. We're separating money and state. That's a very serious thing. We should have fun. And then third is just don't give into the bad vibes of random strangers on the Internet. They just they just don't matter.

49:55Richard Greaser And one of the one of the major problems is, you know, it's just a function of Bitcoin being a global permissionless asset

50:07Richard Greaser is that there's so many different people from so many different perspectives and backgrounds cultures etc looking at this and arguing about and then we're arguing in these higher level problems and often we're talking past each other and it were it's miscommunication that's the fundamental of you're talking to your wife you know arguing with your wife is you're constantly miscommunicating

50:32Richard Greaser so you're obviously constantly miscommunicating with your podcast and your social media but what you can do is you can match the vibes as long as you can match the vibes

50:46Richard Greaser you can work things out as long as people can match the vibes and their time preferences they can see what kind of time preference brain they're working with on the other side here you know that's how markets are made right like somebody's a very motivated seller somebody's a very motivated but whatever but you just mask the vibe and as long as you can mask the vibe you can figure it out because it sometimes it takes time to feel figure out what what the vibe vibes were off in the first place.

51:14Walker Well said. And I think this this goes back to something we were talking about, when we were last, on a Bitcoin podcast podcasting about Bitcoin podcasting. You know, the good vibes are are self evident. Right? You know a good vibe when you see one, and and so are the bad vibes. But the bad vibes are not self evident to the person who is emitting the bad vibes, who is excreting these noisy bad vibes that are trying to overwhelm the signal of the good vibes, because the good vibes

51:42Walker are always there somewhere. This is one of the reasons I love Noester so much. There is a higher signal to noise, a higher good vibes to bad vibes ratio on Noester than on anywhere else I've seen. You go on x, it's a lot harder to find the good vibes signal amidst the bad vibes noise. You go any of these other centralized shithole platforms, it is harder to find the good vibes amidst the bad. Doesn't mean they're not there. They very much are still there. At the end of the day, good vibes are the light in the darkness of bad vibes. Right? They are they are that light at the end of the tunnel beckoning us towards a better better vibed future. But if you're spending most of your time on these centralized shithole platforms where you need to wade through a sea

52:28Walker of dark bad vibe noise just to be able to find a little bit of good vibe, you know, you're gonna get lost along the way. You're gonna get swallowed by that sea. You will drown in the sea of bad vibes, and you will forget that you were there in the first place to look for the good vibes. And so I would I would recommend that people as well, if you want to increase the vibes, spend more time on Nostr. And I think a lot of the silent k's would do well-to-do that. Like, spend more time on Nostr. Look at all the incredible people. I just saw a guy the other day. He was, zapped zapped the heck out of him. Every day, he's just posting videos of himself playing the violin, just just riffing on the violin.

53:05Walker And he's just doing that on no strings, getting zapped sats for it. That's awesome. What a what a good vibe. Like, that's just that's just a top notch vibe, and we need more of that. You think you're gonna see cool random dudes playing the violin on x? No. You're gonna see gas station beatings and shootings because that's that is what the the sea of bad vibes you have to wait through. I know Star just opened up. I saw a cool guy playing the violin. Sweet. Zapped him some sats. That's a good vibe. Hell, yeah.

53:34Rod Palmer Yeah. I think it's pretty important to care what your wife thinks. There's a lot of men out there that, also care about what their wives think. And, I don't know if it's symbolic or or just, it it kinda shows where the relationship is, but, then

53:53Rod Palmer they it seems like a lot of people that are married are uncomfortable to admit that Lyn Alden is hot. Is that is that a problem for you and and your relationship with your wife or she comfortably

54:05Walker do that? Alden. We both love Lyn Alden. You know? So that that that's that's the great thing. And you know what? That's kinda what I figured. Yeah. Yeah. Lyn Alden just has it. You know why? Because Lyn Alden has a great vibe. Lyn Alden is also incredible at memeing. You ever notice that too? People with great vibes, they tend to be really good at memes. Because memes, a good meme is about a good vibe. And Lynn Alden, I mean, I think probably what will go down in history as the financial

54:32Walker macro meme of the decade, maybe of the century, is nothing stops this train. I mean, what what a meme. You know, don't make her tap the sign because she will. And and that's just another example.

54:45Walker Good vibes, good memes. That's what we need more of. Alright, people? And you find a lot more of those again on Noister. So take that as you will.

54:58Rod Palmer Totally. You know, what's a word of advice? Like, so your wife seems to respect Glenn Alden. Maybe a lot of other people's wives don't. You know, it it just seems like relationships can be difficult for certain women.

55:16Rod Palmer Not all women. But sometimes, like, when they're when I mean, you see the memes poking fun at it where the the girl's with her boyfriend and the boyfriend's looking at another woman. And she gets, you know, frustrated by that or insecurity. You think that's kinda what's going on here is is people I think the the the thing that I find strange is that when I say, Lyn Alden's hot, people try to make it sexual. What I'm trying to point out, like you said, is that she's really smart.

55:46Rod Palmer She's really good at memes. She's got a good vibe to her. She's very competent. Like, that's what I mean when she say when I say that she's hot. But for these guys who, who feel uncomfortable with it, because they're afraid of what their wives will think of them or, or say to them, whether you have any advice for these guys?

56:08Walker I think they need to look inward. Right? If you're uncomfortable with the good vibes that someone else is putting off because that's what it ultimately is. Right? This is what you're describing. Lyn Alden's hotness is related to the goodness of her vibes, the strength of her memes, the quality of her intellectual pursuits. That that that is the hotness of Lynn Alden.

56:30Walker And if that makes you uncomfortable, buddy, you gotta you gotta you gotta take a look right in here and right in here and ask yourself why that is. Okay? Because if good vibes are making you uncomfortable, it may be because and you wouldn't realize this, you know, you can't you can't know it yourself, but it may be because you yourself have a bad vibe at and and that's that's hard. But you know what? You can fix that. It you but you can't consciously

56:57Walker fix it. Right? It it it it goes it goes it's so much deeper than just you being like, well, I'm I'm not gonna be an annoying piece of shit now. It's like, no. That annoying piece of shit that's still gonna shine through, that weak that weak little man is still gonna shine through. So you you you just gotta I don't know. I guess just start with touching grass more. Like, it's a cliche, but literally, like, just go walk outside. Take off your shirt. Take off your pants if you can. Go walk around in the grass in the sunshine. That is like, there is no way your vibes will become worse when you are walking around

57:36Walker bare skin exposed to the sun, you know, those rays just beating down in your open your bare chest, feet touching the grass, just soaking in that energy of the earth as you dispel all that negative energy. There's no way your vibes get worse when you're doing that. So that's a good place to start for for folks, I think. There's not enough grass touching happening. And the thing is, it's not even winter yet, guys. It's not even winter yet, and your vibes are this bad. Imagine imagine how bad the vibes are gonna get Once it's the dead of winter and people are like, oh, I can't. It's too cold on my feet. Like, mm-mm. No excuses. No excuses. Use your feet to melt the snow

58:14Walker all the way down until you find the grass to touch. You know. But if you're not doing that in the summertime, you're not doing it in the wintertime either, and your vibes are gonna get worse. Like, they're gonna get worse. And I so it's gonna be sad to see.

58:26Richard Greaser Dude. So, you know, sometimes I think vibes are similar to, like, having bad breath. You're or, you know, nice breath. Do you when do you when do you wait? Do you do it in private, in public, right away? Do you wait if you know, you've got a friend with bad vibes? Or, you know, do you do you want people to just come be forthcoming and tell you if you know, you've gotten your vibes stink? Like how do we approach that? How do we encourage each other to have good vibes? Do you need each other room to experience their own vibes?

59:00Richard Greaser But then step in and and let them know it's time to cut the shit and it's time to up the vibes it's time to stop the law and you know, tate them it's time to get the podcast going get them dump get them pumping out you've got so many in the queue let's go What are your advice in navigating that?

59:18Walker Well, you guys aren't gonna believe this, but I think the advice might come down to starting a Bitcoin podcast and just making those first few episodes totally for yourself and check-in your own vibes on those. Try to step outside of yourself as if you were a listener to your own Bitcoin podcast. You know, you're just you're just another plug trying to get there forty hours per week.

59:42Walker And do a vibe check on yourself. What kind of a vibe are you really giving off? Can you be objective about it? Do you have the ability to step outside of yourself, to go out of your own body, and to look, you know, to look back at yourself and say, is that guy a guy I'd like to get part of my forty hours per week from? Because because that's ultimately what what a good vibe is. Right? If if somebody wants to to get part of their forty hours per week from you, you probably got a good vibe. You don't wanna get part of your forty hours per week from a bad vibe.

1:00:12Walker Why would you want that? You don't wanna be inundating yourself with bad vibes. You got forty hours per week. You gotta make them count. So I think that it really so much of it, so much of fixing your own vibe does come back to after you've grounded, after you've soaked in some of the sun, getting in front of that microphone and starting that Bitcoin podcast. And and then really just reflecting on whether or not you are a Bitcoin podcaster who you yourself would give part of your scarce forty hours per week to. Because if you're not, if you wouldn't give yourself

1:00:43Walker part of your scarce forty hours per week, you probably got a bad vibe. So many things are fixed with Bitcoin podcasting. You know, that's that's really it's it's it's not a panacea, but, boy, it's pretty close.

1:00:59Rod Palmer Yeah. That's some pretty sound advice. I appreciate that. Kind of incredible. We have over 70 views on ZapStream for this conversation.

1:01:09Walker I know. That like, you you multiply that by, like, a 100, and that's basically what it would be on the centralized platforms essentially. That from what I've seen. Like, you gotta you gotta multiply that zap. Stream amount by by a 100. Sure. May maybe 50. You know? But I I think that's that that's fair. You know? It's it's tough to get people to come on zap.stream, but whenever people do, I'm like, this is this is awesome. You guys are not only giving me part of your forty hours per week, but you're giving me part of your forty hours per week on a censorship resistant open protocol for communication. That is fucking cool.

1:01:42Rod Palmer Well, it's kind of funny when you think about it from when you're operating and and I think we learned this firsthand. When you're operating on a value for value standard in the Bitcoin ecosystem, one pioneer is worth a thousand plugs.

1:02:03Rod Palmer You know, the plives that are out there, they're they're gobbling up sailor, slop. They're, talking about how you should never spend your Bitcoin. They're calling Nostra gay. You know, th th those types of plives. What one pioneer that's actually doing something with their lives

1:02:24Rod Palmer is worth a thousand of those guys.

1:02:28Walker Yeah. It's you guys had a you were talking about this a little bit, in your one of your last episodes behind the podcast with Odell. And that idea that, you know, a lot of those people out there are just complaining and not doing anything. They they can't even be bothered to get on Nostr. They can't even be bothered to do that. And I think the comment you made was, you know, tongue in cheek because, you know, because the UX is too hard or something, which at this point, it's just not. Like, yeah, they're if you're if you're a podcaster trying to livestream on Noister, it can get a little bit tricky. But for the average person who is just going, you know, going on Primal, going on Domus, the UX is pretty darn good. Like, you have to be yeah. At this point, you have to be a little stupid not to be able to figure it out. But so many of you know? But, again, maybe it's like, do we want those bad vibes over on Nostr? The nice thing is that people with bad vibes tend not to stay on Nostr. They tend to come over. They rage post for a little bit while a little while. They realize nobody gives a shit about their rage posting over here because there's no algorithmic incentive for them to rage post. And nobody you know, like, Gigi says, you wouldn't zap a car crash. Nobody wants to zap your bad vibes. You wanna zap good vibes. And that's ultimately to distill Gigi's point down a little. You wouldn't zap a car crash. Right? You'll look at a car crash. You'll maybe be enthralled by it. You won't zap it. You won't give it your value.

1:03:46Richard Greaser But this is why this But

1:03:48Walker you won't zap bad vibes. You'll zap good vibes.

1:03:51Richard Greaser This is what Planetar did last on, on Noster right? Like they nobody wanted to pay and zap gladiator complained about me for bitcoin summers so he laughed he turned right around

1:04:03Walker what what do you mean by email wise?

1:04:07Richard Greaser Yeah, you've not even won I don't think but I I do like your point, it is it's maybe RFK because RFK really got into podcast during the, elections last year if RFK could just make it so that any therapist or any psychologist or psychiatrist when somebody comes in they're complaining about their life and everything's going wrong and they're oppressed by everything the first thing they should do before they

1:04:34Richard Greaser they give them you know a pill is ask him, have you tried farting around on Noster? Go home, download Primal, fart around on Noster for a couple hours. If you don't feel better, you can have some Xanax. You know what I mean? Like me, just you gotta try something.

1:04:51Rod Palmer Totally.

1:04:52Walker That's great. Maybe even maybe even before or after if the if just going on Noister doesn't work by itself, maybe then before the Xanax, try starting a podcast. Or maybe before that, even get your forty hours a week of Bitcoin podcast. And then, like, there's there's so many stages you could take before pharmaceutical intervention needs to be there. For some people with with a a true imbalance, chemical imbalance that can't be right in any other way,

1:05:17Walker sure, whatever. But, like, for most people, I think, no, sir. Forty hours per week of Bitcoin podcast, that'll fix you. And if that doesn't, start one for yourself, and that'll probably fix you, or at least make you realize how much of a problem you have if none of those things do fix you.

1:05:36Rod Palmer Totally. Well, one of the things we do at the end of the show is, we go through our fountain boost of the previous interview show that we did. Out of curiosity, Walker, what what

1:05:52Rod Palmer shows are your favorites that you listen to on a regular basis? What makes up your forty hours per week?

1:05:59Walker Oh, well, you know, even though Peter McCormack is doing less Bitcoin podcasting these days and more political podcasting, I still do love his show. I don't listen to it as much as I did before just because, you know, I'm I'm trying to ingest as as much, Bitcoin Bitcoin content as possible. But luckily,

1:06:21Walker you know, then I have I have good old Danny Knowles to be able to fall back on. I can still get that nostalgic. Danny has an accent too. So it's almost like if you close your eyes and, you know, you you just squint a little bit, it's almost like Peter's back there again. Danny's doing a great job. He's a great Bitcoin podcaster, and he I love that his story is coming on board to help Peter with his show because he's like, hey. Your audio sucks. Like, you need to be a better Bitcoin podcaster. I can help you be a better Bitcoin podcaster. And by George, he did it. And then what does he do? He takes over the reins and becomes the Bitcoin podcaster himself. I mean, it's it's a beautiful story, really, of Bitcoin podcasting and how you can just do things. You can just tell somebody their podcast sucks. You wanna fix it. Make it the biggest Bitcoin podcast in the world. When they go off to start becoming the prime minister of England and saving that cesspool from itself, thank you, Peter, for doing that because we we we we need The UK saved, you know.

1:07:15Walker But then you step up to the plate and you become the podcaster yourself. You become the man in the studio or in the the main the main podcaster's chair. Guy Swan is still on my heavy rotation as is Preston Pish. Your guys' show has entered my heavy rotation as well. This week in Bitcoin came on my radar recently because it was on top of the fountain charts. I started checking it out.

1:07:40Walker TFTC, Marty Bent. I mean, these are, you know, these are these are these are some classics. Obviously, you know, I'm not throwing out anything too crazy here. Let me go let me go into my fountain list. I I I enjoy very much Natalie Brunell's show as well for, like, when I wanna see how a journalist should really, conduct themselves. And it's always like, wow. I am I am not a serious person over here. But the world needs all kinds. Right? She is

1:08:07Walker her show goes to the top of the charts and makes it to the normies, which I think is just, like, is just huge. Also, guys, I do wanna point out, our episode that we did together oh, it's down to number three now. Rabbit hole recap, all in Bitcoin has just surpassed it and taken the two spot, but it was on the number two spot on Fountain's, Fountain's hot list. So that's pretty sweet. There's another one I listen to actually. It's not a it's not a Bitcoin podcast, but, I do enjoy it every now and then. It's called The Carousel. It's it's it's pretty decent. It's more about, political cultural vibes. It's it's it's it's it's pretty solid.

1:08:45Walker Yeah. I mean, those are my those are my main ones. I I like, every now and then I'll do Peter Saint Onge's, his weekly recap of his daily shows that he posts on x. He lumps them into a podcast. I can listen to it on Fountain. I like that a lot. I love Dave Smith's show, part of the problem. It's just a it's an awesome podcast. Dave's got a great vibe to him, along there with his cohost, Robbie the Fire Bernstein. They do a killer job. It's like it's just a it's a darn good podcast. Dave's a Bitcoiner too. Doesn't talk about Bitcoin a ton in his show,

1:09:19Walker you know, pretty infrequently, but he's a Bitcoiner. He's made that clear. He's given some great talks at, you know, on panels at Bitcoin conferences, and he's got just a killer podcast. I enjoy listening to it because he he's also because he's funny. Like, you know, I think this is why comedians make such great podcasters and why, you know, people during the election, everyone's like, they, you know, Trump is talking to all these just random comedians with their podcasts. And it's like because people actually wanna listen to them. They don't wanna nobody's getting I mean, if you're getting forty hours per week of CNN, you're a fucking retard. Like, that's just like and if you weren't, it's gonna make you retarded. Like, it is just talk about boomer slop. But comedians, they make great podcasters because they ask great questions because they don't take everything

1:10:06Walker too freaking seriously. They're able to make you laugh while discussing something that's maybe really heavy. They're able to get people to open up a little bit where they otherwise might not have. And And I think that's a beautiful thing. You know? It's we we need more podcasters. We need more comedian podcasters. It's it's fantastic. So, yeah, that's that's a lot of my heavy rotation. I also dabble with, with other random shows every now and then. But but, yeah, this is the difficulty of when you are a Bitcoin podcaster. You have less time to listen to Bitcoin podcast, but you still gotta try to get those forty hours per week. You gotta try. You know? You don't always succeed, but the important thing is that you tried. Totally.

1:10:43Walker What's what's what's heavy rotation for you guys?

1:10:47Rod Palmer Ungovernable misfits That's a good Bitcoin and, plug chain radio, rock paper Bitcoin. See what else.

1:11:04Rod Palmer Once in a while, I'll dabble with all the ones that you're you mentioned. I I've been avoiding listening to Dave Smith because I I just think libertarians

1:11:13Walker are running the playbook on how to lose, and it kinda gets tiresome. But, you know, I I listen to even Dave kind of admits that too, though. You know? Like, he's kinda like, listen. You guys are not being super serious about this. This is why libertarianism needs it needs orange peeling. Like, libertarianism doesn't, like it's kinda toothless without fixing the money. You know? It's like it's like, okay.

1:11:36Rod Palmer Now what That's the way they that's the way they want it, though. That's how libertarians like it. Yeah. If they wanted to win, they wouldn't be libertarians. They'd be doing something productive. It's kinda like being a Bitcoin plow, but just, consuming all the sailor slop.

1:11:53Richard Greaser Yes. Yeah. It it is, they I would say they need more podcasts, but, like, if they really became good podcasters, then they'd move on to other things. Is because, like, to go back to something you said a little bit earlier, like, if they're one of the reasons to start a podcast is because it's a vibes feedback. You're letting out very you're putting out vibes

1:12:17Richard Greaser on very important matters, very, very crucial important fundamental matters that need to be resolved at a much broader societal level right now and you're getting the vibes feedback you're starting to figure out what takes makes people tick and what makes people seem like they're really mad or like, you know, have these really performative responses but, you know, the vibe isn't it's almost like

1:12:42Richard Greaser they fit they're they're like you tee them up and you they're trying to just hit, you know, hit a on rye off of your tee up. It's I kinda lost where I was going right there but it's it's the feedback mechanism is what's important is that if you don't have that feedback and you don't know the right vibes and you can't vibe switch, it's just gonna be very difficult

1:13:10Richard Greaser to navigate because there's just so much there's, you know, so many psy ops out there that are getting you to kind of mismatch the vibe.

1:13:21Rod Palmer Yeah. I mean, there's so many good Bitcoin podcasts. Yeah. Go ahead. Are you and there's so many good Bitcoin podcasts out there. I feel like there's some, that I listen to on a regular basis, and then there's some that I just listen to frequently. Like, there's, your podcast. I listened to the episode with Michael Tidwell. Once in a while, I listened to American HODL and Eric Kasin when you, have them on. You've got,

1:13:48Rod Palmer Daniel Prance. I was listening to him today. You got, there's just a wide assortment of people that are doing I I was listening to the Bitcoin Matrix podcast recently, and that one was kind of funny, because, once again, it was about the, you know, the the annoying debate that everybody's wound up about, and it was kinda toned off. But it's helpful to hear that. Guy Swan is great. I was listening to his, narration of the 21 lessons by,

1:14:18Rod Palmer Gigi on Monday. Great book. Yeah. It's a, it's a very vibrant ecosystem of, of stuff.

1:14:30Rod Palmer There there's a lot of information to consume a lot of really, yeah, Goomba Sly Goomba's got a podcast. I was listening to that. He had fundamentals on recently.

1:14:45Richard Greaser Yeah. I I've been, I've I've actually been listening to NOND, but, like, podcast is kinda outside of Bitcoin whether it's comedy or there's a lot of these, I don't they're not really like Charlie Kirk. They're not necessarily political, but it's a very outspoken, like, for an ideology. So I've been listening to kind of some of these more, extreme or,

1:15:11Richard Greaser controversial ones that have been really popping up and kinda capturing a lot of people's attention. Wait, Lee, just to see what everybody's gonna be riled up about. But when it comes to Bitcoin podcast, I mostly, I've just been listening to episodes of my friends. Like, my friends gonna be, you know, if they Fundamentals has a couple podcasts,

1:15:33Richard Greaser you know, when Rob the Robbie Hamilton goes on podcast, I wanna listen to that. I wanna listen to, you know, Portland huddle or, you know, when somebody's gonna go on with Casey and Aaron on, the Halmani pod. Look, I wanna listen to those. I'm just trying to listen to my friends and see what they're talking about, what they're interested in, and maybe see, you know, if I can help shine a light on something, if they're doing something that I think is cool, that more people should be paying attention to. So that's kind of what I've been doing. You know what I was thinking, guys? I just,

1:16:03Walker in preparation for this conversation, I was I was thinking about podcasting, obviously. And it was when I was listening to your podcast with Odell, talking about the work that he does with OpenSats and that kind of stuff. And I was thinking, it's it's great that we have all of the these different types of you know, HRF has a fund. There's a bunch of other funds, right, that that collect money and give it to Bitcoin developers to support the development work that they were doing. I think that that's wonderful. That's great. We should be supporting open source development on Bitcoin, on Gnostr, eCash, all these things. We should be supporting it.

1:16:37Walker But why isn't there one of these nonprofit funds that is allocating money to Bitcoin podcasters? Why don't we have funds, you know, for why why isn't there an OpenPods? Why isn't there an OpenPods

1:16:52Walker that expressly supports Bitcoin podcasters so they can focus on what they do best, which is Bitcoin podcasting. They don't have to worry about going around and chase sponsors to pay for all their expensive microphones and stuff. They can just focus on bringing signal in a noisy world. They can focus on bringing good vibes in a world of bad vibes. Right? So I I I think, guys, what we need to do, we need to get ourselves a five zero one c three, and we need to start raising money to give to a promising Bitcoin podcast. That's I'm throwing it out there. Throwing it out there. Maybe every Bitcoin podcast should be a five zero one c three itself too. I don't know. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure Chatcheap t can help me find some, find some ways to not give any money to the IRS. So let's see.

1:17:35Rod Palmer I think it I think it's, you know, an interesting idea. I think what's different is kind of the role of the the podcaster to go solicit people, support them in my opinion. And, you know, the pro why this works for Bitcoin development is that we know that developers are super autistic, and they're not very good at talking to people. They're not really good at convincing anybody of anything. Like, they they walk into a sales pitch, and they start talking about why their c plus plus code is better than the other guys and why they're important and starting to get into all these intricate

1:18:12Rod Palmer details on computer code and and the person looking at them is just like, wow. This is like, I'm ready for a nap. This is like talking to doctor Adam back or something. But, I think that, like, we have a lot of these tools for podcasters to be able to, get funding. I think it's the hard part is just building the market

1:18:38Rod Palmer for it and and giving a compelling sales pitch. Like, you've got geyser, you've got which people have raised a significant amount of money on. You've got fountain, you've got just the the the podcasting two point o ecosystem in general with all these other applica you know, doodads that let you receive Bitcoin. You've got NOS or like the the tools really are there. Like, you need you need to buy a microphone. You can't afford it. You need a computer. You can't afford it. They go throw up a geyser fund,

1:19:08Rod Palmer because it's your job to be, like, a a salesperson, you know, and pitch the market. So I think it's a little bit different. I mean, it is an interesting idea, but I think, like, I would I wouldn't make fun of anybody, you know, if they wanted to make that. I I do think that it like to do the five zero one C3 and support Bitcoin, Bitcoin podcasters. But what I do think

1:19:35Rod Palmer is important for individuals that have a lot of money and a lot of stake in Bitcoin to realize the importance of Bitcoin podcast and realize the importance of this ecosystem. Like you, the, the mechanisms are there to, to fund us.

1:19:54Richard Greaser And it's And and and in creative ways, in very creative, you know, time, the very there's so much program. There's so many opportunities. The opportunities is there's tons of them. And, you're right. That is is kind of on on you

1:20:13Richard Greaser to solicit and explain to people why they should spend their hard earned sacks supporting your podcast. And there's a lot of podcasts. Why should they support just because you talk about Bitcoin, they should support your podcast. No. You gotta you gotta pitch them or create enough content where they you inspire them to come to you with an idea. That's kinda what you should be doing. And you know you could do a five zero one c three you you could do your own you know cashew bin you could do your no you could

1:20:45Richard Greaser everybody create your own circular economy and and you know if it gets big enough then go tell the government that you know you think he'd try to get one of those exemptions maybe try to like grandfather in the file I don't know but start small you don't you don't necessarily have to go file for a PAX number just to start a podcast

1:21:04Richard Greaser Yeah. But, you know, that's what the Canadian Bitcoin guys did. That's what they were telling us now. They were they they did it too early, and it's just it's too much paperwork. You wait till you need to you can hire a Jewish lawyer to do the paperwork for you. Yeah. And this And this And this And this And this And this And this And this And this And this is common sense. Yeah.

1:21:21Rod Palmer I will I will say, you know, Ron and I are very committed to this ecosystem. And I think you can see it because we're we're all over the podcast app and, we're all over Nasir's app and people. And I think that's like one of the ways that, you know, for podcasters that really care about the value for value ecosystem, like part of it is being an example and showing people why the ecosystem is important and how to engage in it. Because

1:21:51Rod Palmer you know, I'm sick of Plaid Slop. And like, I think the dynamic of running a value for value media company is, you know, your your content is the product at the end of the day, instead of just, you know, trying to promote, Plaid Slop to get the biggest amount of views to to sell your sponsor on on a higher stake and, you know, get conversions for, you know, selling product, because then you just become a marketing agency for,

1:22:22Rod Palmer a lot of other people's stuff. But yeah, it's, I mean, it it there there's a lot of different approaches to this. And I think the cool thing is that, you know, people will try different ideas and and have success, and we, you know, need to pay attention to where people are being successful. They, they like appreciate innovation and appreciate taking risks, try new things,

1:22:50Rod Palmer and, you know, kind of adapt to those areas of success. But the, you know, the value for value ecosystem isn't new. There's a lot of people that, Yeah. But anyways, yeah. Let's go to the fountain booth. I I think we're all kind of approaching that this hard stop really quick.

1:23:15Rod Palmer I wanted to blast her. We did get some zaps on, ZapStream. We got, Avi Burra. Says, rare to be on a live stream with three AI generated voices.

1:23:28Walker That's a callback. That's a callback right there. That's that's great.

1:23:32Rod Palmer Yeah. Sovereign zapped. I was on, Brandon carpolis his podcast recently. Thank you. Sovereign rock Walker use apt. So tick coin forever. OD forge 40 HPW is app $2.10 cents saws all zap 2,100 sats at Miller Lite. Eric can't meme zap 6,969

1:23:55Rod Palmer sat said I'm retarded.

1:23:58Walker Oh, Eric. He's the man.

1:24:02Rod Palmer Yeah. We I had a whole, like, text conversation, in the chat with, Eric. He's got some humility. If you're retarded, just admit it. It's, it's it's a great spot to be in. But, yeah, our our last show that we did was with one of my favorite, podcasters, David Bennett.

1:24:22Rod Palmer This guy has been at it for a long time since 2018. I thought it was great conversation talking about a lot of similar stuff that we talked about today about the value for value ecosystem, Noster, all sorts of stuff. Anybody listening, I'd highly encourage you to go check out a show, Bitcoin and it's a it's a great Bitcoin news show.

1:24:46Rod Palmer No plug slop associated. But our first boost is fundamentals for 10101¢. There's another excellent behind the podcast. Great run of pioneers. Yeah. Are you familiar with, fundamentals, Walker?

1:25:05Walker I I don't know if I am. Maybe I gotta see if I follow him on no stir.

1:25:14Rod Palmer Yeah. He's on there. He, he wrote the book, Bitcoin for institutions. So he's essentially trying to teach people how to pay for Bitcoin, responsibly.

1:25:25Richard Greaser You're excited. You know, he left the, you know, the high flying finance world, New York City life, to he has five podcasts now. So he's got the back on the chain podcast, rock paper bitcoin. He's got a math where he teaches. It's like a podcast video, a lectures for mathematics. He's got the fundamentals of fundamentals podcast.

1:25:49Richard Greaser I I know I miss oh, he's got he does Sound Coffee with Otis Bittmeyer. So yeah, active podcaster. He's always podcasting, he's got a lot of interesting thoughts, but yeah. Thank you fundamentals for those 10,000 sats.

1:26:08Walker I just followed him on Oster. He wasn't following me yet though so I don't feel as bad about not not being aware. So that's, that's good.

1:26:18Richard Greaser The next one is from a late stage huddle. Big supporter, 5,000 stats. This episode was, full of excellent quotes from David. First of all, I wanna address that he accidentally said Bitcaster, which is something I was thinking about lately instead of saying Bitcoin podcaster. Imagine how many extra bitcast you could squeeze in during your forty hours per week if you didn't have to say the full Bitcoin podcaster term

1:26:45Richard Greaser another quote I wake up and look at Twitter and I'm in a bad mood wake up at Noster I'm neutral this school was the best if the first thing you see in the morning is penis, doerner, nothing burger announcements then you become the nothing burger these are great these are great

1:27:05Richard Greaser ideas late stage hodl I don't I I understand the logic of bit caster over bitcoin podcaster but there's something about the vibe that I just I I could be wrong. I just don't feel it right now, but I do like where you're at with the, with the trying to be more efficient with our language so we can get more signal into our Bitcoin podcast. We can,

1:27:31Richard Greaser you know, I was kind of making a joke when I when I when I remarked on the the nostril thing and the way it makes you feel, but I'm starting to think you're right. I thought it was just a bad marketing tagline to go like, you feel nothing when you log on to an ostril. That's the way it should be, but that is the way it should be. You shouldn't you should get your you should get your your vibes from your coffee or your, you know, whatever. The sunlight walk, not from turning on your phone in the morning. Right? Yeah. They say totally agree things, you know.

1:28:03Rod Palmer But Caster just feels like trying to rebrand, Sats to bits to me. Maybe that one could be worse off a little bit, but I feel like Bitcoin podcasters is a is a steam position. It's important.

1:28:18Richard Greaser Yeah. Some some words are worth saying the full word, you know, it's worth it. It commands the respect. Yeah. Totally.

1:28:25Rod Palmer Do you ever do you ever hang out with the people that boost your podcast, Walker?

1:28:31Walker Yeah. Actually. Like, I mean, at at Bitcoin at Bitcoin conferences, like, there's I've I've had, like, a shocking amount of people support the the show. And one of the, honestly, the coolest things about starting a Bitcoin podcast is going to Bitcoin conferences, having random people come up to you that you then, like, have a beer with or, you know, hang out with for a while that are like, hey. I really like your podcast. Like, man, as a Bitcoin podcaster, those that's the only thing you wanna hear. Like, that that's literally it. You just wanna hear somebody like, hey. I really like your podcast. I found it valuable. I sent you a zap on fountain or a zap on nostril.

1:29:07Walker Like, the that's that's, like, that's all you could ever ask for as a Bitcoin podcaster. So, yeah, it's it's very humbling too. It's like, wow. Here's somebody in the flesh who's giving me some of their forty hours per week. Let's go ahead and have a beer together. Like, that's just a it's a it's a cool experience when you can do it in the in the meat space. Right?

1:29:27Rod Palmer Totally. Yeah. I think it's, it's important to hang out with your boosters. It's important to, hang out with them in the group chats. Stuff like that, I think, is, is just excellent. Like, I love hanging out with these guys. I think I've talked to most of these boosters even today so far. Or, actually,

1:29:47Rod Palmer I haven't talked to late stage today yet, but talked to fundamentals and, this next one too angry comes.

1:29:54Walker I gotta start a group chat for my podcast, podcast. I guess that's I'm kind

1:29:58Rod Palmer of behind in that regard, I suppose. Yeah. Guy guy Swan did this a long time ago. I used to, be a subscriber to him and, the audio not that was a good group chat on telegram. I think so. Yeah. It's a good time. You concoct memes together with your listeners.

1:30:20Rod Palmer Two angry cunts podcast, 2220 sats. Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't going away. Elvis Presley. An honest conversation without risk of catching syphilis. Well done, fellas, and remember what Elvis said.

1:30:42Rod Palmer You know, Elvis was an incredible singer. He he's, like, one of the best singers of all time. Super underrated in my opinion. Like, a lot of people like Elvis, but I don't think they, fully appreciate how good he is. You ever listen to Elvis?

1:31:01Walker Of course. He's the king. Right? But you're right. Gone too soon also. You know? Too many too many such cases.

1:31:12Rod Palmer I do I think that's part of what makes him so good though is, you know, these people die before they get old and, and lose their skill sets. Like, there's a problem a lot of singers try to go for too long.

1:31:25Richard Greaser Well, Elvis died on the throne. He died on the toilet. And that I don't I it God forbid. But, you know, I guess the worst thing for me would not be going out on the podcast chair in the podcast studio. Amen. That's what's from Daniel Daniel's he's bae over on Noster he he helped us out with saturize the system in in Vegas at the conference I get to see him in the boost

1:31:52Richard Greaser Really digging the conversation, especially the part about how NOSCOH is good for your mental health. There you go. People resonated with that one.

1:32:03Rod Palmer I wonder if people's mental health on Twitter is gonna get better now that the government shut down, the feds might not be working.

1:32:11Walker Let's hope so. I I hope they stay shut down for as long as possible.

1:32:17Rod Palmer Yeah. I hope so too. Those guys suck. Rev Huddl's yeah. Fuck.

1:32:27Rod Palmer Rev Huddl or wait. Yeah. Daniel's a good guy. He's a good follow on the Oster. He's a he's a he's very active on the Oster for sure. Rev HODL, 721 sats. Bitcoin and is how I stay in the loop. Essential listening for the 40 HPW. Yeah. I think the thing that I like about Bitcoin and is it has a little bit more emphasis on permaculture and agriculture. So it's got

1:32:53Rod Palmer a you hear about topics that are kind of important. Like the food supply is pretty important, but you don't hear that discussed on a lot of Bitcoin podcasts. You hear about the feds fucking with all the ranchers and, you know, killing all the chickens or, you know, whatever they're up to, all the all the nonsense.

1:33:13Richard Greaser Best one is from Shadrach, long time fan. They don't expect us to give them back and save as many as we can. That's exactly how pioneers win, hashtag forty hours per week. And, yes, Shadrach is, a notable pioneer for sure.

1:33:33Rod Palmer Yeah. Big fan of Shadrach. God's death. 237. Thank you, gentlemen. Well, thank you, God's death. You probably did this next one, Pies. Pies.

1:33:48Richard Greaser Got two from Pies, 121 sets each first one. I see so many people once held fond opinions of his fuck boy clowns now. Oh, these people he used to really respect he sees them as fuck boy clowns now hashtag pioneers hashtag thirty hours per week Bitcoin flex emoji mushroom emoji the next one pre listen boost

1:34:11Richard Greaser there we go we need to get some, like some pre workout but it's like a drink it's like a a pre podcast a pre boost, a few of my favorite Bitcoin podcasters in one show, let's fucking go forty hours per week

1:34:29Rod Palmer Yeah. I mean, that's an interesting one. I I don't know what I think of the the pre boost or pre show listening boost. I feel like that's tipping your waitress before you get the food. You know what I mean? It could go

1:34:42Walker Or like tipping your bartender before, you know, a night at a at a wedding or something. Like, I always tip bartenders before I get drinks. If I'm, like, if it's a wedding situation, even if it's an open barks, it's like, hey. Just want you to know I appreciate you. I've been a bartender many years in my life. And, I also want you to bring me drinks very fast when I come up here and ignore any of the fat uncles that are gonna try and, you know, sit and wait in the line there. So I I support the pre boost. Just throwing it out there.

1:35:09Rod Palmer Alright. I think he convinced me with that argument. Good. Good. That's that's an interesting life hack. That's a It works every time. Oh, yeah. Southside Dave, hundred sass says a pioneer of culture, Nazis, and courtards having sex fixes this. Check it out.

1:35:33Walker Can't argue with that.

1:35:35Richard Greaser Last one is army and BTC on board. 100 sass. Three thumbs up. For legend, like the content, bro.

1:35:50Rod Palmer Yeah. Well, I'm feeling optimistic. But, you know, I think the the the key thing that you talked about here, Alicia, was just not really carrying a whole lot about what

1:36:06Rod Palmer the peanut gallery thinks and having a few people in your life that you care about. I think that's some of the the best advice anybody could ever give anybody in this world that we live in. That's an awesome thing. Though those that mind don't matter and those that matter don't mind.

1:36:22Walker It's it will get it will help you, see things more clearly.

1:36:28Rod Palmer Totally. Well, Walker, I really appreciate you coming on. I also really appreciate you having us on. That was a blast. That was great. Let's do it again, guys. We need more Bitcoin podcast crossover episodes. We really do. I agree. It's, I mean, it's kinda what it like those, Like the the Rogan cabal

1:36:53Rod Palmer did. He created his little, his little click of podcasters. I mean, they're they're all lame. They all suck. Alex Jones. I was watching Alex Jones last night. Man, that guy sucks so hard. You know, Trump's about to stop start a global war escalated in order to save the world from the globalist. Apparently, that's where Alex Jones is at and all the surveillance and stuff he's warning about.

1:37:21Rod Palmer But yeah. So Rod needs to run. Rod, do you got any closing thoughts before we sign off? No. Team the the great lives revival.

1:37:32Richard Greaser Let's go bring it back for October. Talk to you guys later.

1:37:37Walker See you guys. Broccoli,

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