0:02Richard Greaser Bugle News is live. They appear to be live. Let me just text and see fucking a zap dot stream.

0:15Rod Palmer I swear to god That's why nobody fucking uses them. It's not dependable.

0:22Richard Greaser Here. I think I gotta top up my account. Let let me try that.

0:26Rod Palmer Gotta top up your account. What? You gotta pay to stream now? Yeah. I mean, it makes sense to pay to stream. Okay. That's just the reason. I've never been in charge of the streaming. I didn't know there was a set, you know, requirement. This is Rod Palmer, by the way. Dude. A little bit of inconsistency with my voice from the latest episode of the podcast and then previous episodes.

0:50Rod Palmer If you listen to this week's, you'd know I'm going through, training, Professional podcast voice training to get rid of my smoker's rasp, and it's, inconsistency is gonna be key or it's gonna be tough, but we'll get it. Are you doing forty hours of voice training? Forty hours of voice training. Until you're doing it. Right? Yeah. Yep. Yeah. And I've I've been podcasting in the shower,

1:15Rod Palmer podcasting in the car with no microphones, no audio.

1:19Fundamentals But we'll get there. I heard that you were podcasting whenever Steven Luca walks.

1:24Rod Palmer Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've I've been trying. It's not that easy. I also made a mistake, been in Vegas for a few days now, smoked an, a menthol cigarette, which has affected my voice, but, yeah, a lot of people smoke menthols on Fremont Street. Dude, fucking a menthol cigarettes.

1:46Richard Greaser It's a it's a mistake. Why did you do that to yourself?

1:49Rod Palmer It was I needed tobacco. I needed nicotine. Okay. I brought a fucking carton. I wasn't with you. I didn't know where you were. I like the ordinals early ordinals of cigarettes. It was I was disconnected from the other podcasters. I didn't have access to cigarettes. But we are live, and right now, we are behind enemy lines. We are podcasting adversarially

2:12Rod Palmer at spamming Vegas. It is essentially the, the ordinals, the inscriptions conference, and they're talking about soft forks, spamming Bitcoin,

2:26Rod Palmer teasing predator, teasing grass fed, mechanic, teasing Luke Junior. It's it's a very

2:34Rod Palmer disrespectful, irreverent environment, and nobody seems to, care that we're here, though. So They're taking pictures of us and

2:44Fundamentals smiling at us. They're exactly. And,

2:47Rod Palmer we're here with fundamentals from the rock paper Bitcoin podcast. This is his first, spamming Bitcoin. It's all of our first spamming Bitcoin, but it's his first, you know, time around the, the spammers. What is what what is this like for you? Is this a psychedelic experience? Is it upset you? Or how how are you taking this all in? I think it's kinda cool. It's like,

3:12Fundamentals you know, we're we don't see these kinds of people typically in our little echo chamber. And I try not to live in an echo chamber, but it's hard to ignore. It's hard it's hard to prevent. And you realize it when you come to an event like this that, like, dude, I've these people are totally outside my world. So it's it's actually kinda cool, but it's like watching National Geographic. You know?

3:37Rod Palmer Do you think that this these people should be listening to 40? I mean, everybody should. But what would your pitch be, your elevator pitch be to have these people listen to forty hours per week and

3:51Fundamentals just do that do more listening, do less spamming. How would you consume that? They listen to forty hours, but it's all the same podcast. They listen to forty hours of ordinals

3:59Rod Palmer validation. No entropy.

4:01Fundamentals You know? Not enough entropy. And, if it's pretty clear, like, these guys are working their ass off building ways to split sats and things like that, it's wild.

4:10Rod Palmer Right. These guys these guys are building on Bitcoin. They're not

4:14Fundamentals listening forty hours per week, and that's maybe the problem. You know, to their credit though, it's weird. Like, we have these things in our world, like, decentralizing the network, and, you know, none of that ever gets done, but people talk about it all the time. These guys are do their virtue signals are actually doing shit.

4:34Richard Greaser Yeah. I find it really strange to be surrounded by people that are actually using Bitcoin. That's, that's kind of an unusual thing at a Bitcoin conference. You know what I mean? We're we're, I was at the the actual Bitcoin conference today. I saw all these people walking around with their micro strategy shirts. You know, there was, like, one guy that asked me. He shows up of of course, the guy wearing bull Bitcoin wants to use Bitcoin. He's all excited. He's like, where where can I buy food in Bitcoin? And, we're like, we don't know. You know? Because nobody here uses Bitcoin. Like, maybe if you go in the food court back there, like, you know, sailors out there, he's tweeting about buying his pizza with

5:13Richard Greaser dollars. So this is unusual, unprecedented that we're at a Bitcoin conference here at spamming Vegas in Las Vegas. And people are discussing using Bitcoin. Now it might not be in ways that,

5:30Richard Greaser some people prefer, but,

5:33Fundamentals they're using it. It's strange. I've learned more about Bitcoin from being here for an hour than I did at than I did at the Venetian. Yeah. Yeah. We we've been on location

5:44Rod Palmer for well, I've been here a little over an hour so far, and I haven't heard a single discussion about paper Bitcoin. It's only been protocol, you know, people actually broadcasting transactions from their own nodes, and

6:00Rod Palmer it's different. It's hard to get used to, but, unfortunately, they're using it all for spam. It's

6:08Fundamentals it's it's it is unfortunate that that's what they're actually using it for.

6:14Richard Greaser It's refreshing. It's refreshing not to have to listen to conversations. Like, I know a lot of people out there think that paper Bitcoin is viable scaling solution, but these guys are talking about, I walked on in, the end of a panel, that you're telling me a little bit about Ross. So you got Jeremy Rubin. Dan Held. They're they're they said ordinals. It was the it was the typical conversation where nobody can define where the soft fork is. It's very confusing topic. But once again, they were talking about scaling Bitcoin using things like CTV and, you know, other things.

6:49Rod Palmer It didn't involve discussing the paper Bitcoin solution. No. No. They didn't come up at all. They were talking about the somebody mentioned the only way to kinda drive out the spam is to increase demand for block space, for monetary use cases. And that was kind of a focus of the CTV, the covenant guys.

7:12Rod Palmer Shinobi calls everybody retarded who doesn't get this, you know, new paradigm, but the problem is the sell. They were they were talking about the soft fork. They were talking about how to increase this demand for block space and to scale it to more users to kinda increase the access of sovereignty,

7:33Rod Palmer of layer one. But it everybody gets, you know, dot dot it gets bogged down on who's gonna activate the soft fork, and they couldn't they couldn't make that pitch. It wasn't it just wasn't coherent. It wasn't didn't get people excited.

7:50Fundamentals It's see it's like a little hostile.

7:52Rod Palmer Paper Bitcoin gets people excited. You tell me. People love Bitcoin treasury companies. They love buying full stock. They love, Jack Mallers' new thing. You know, Bailey's gonna be arbitraging

8:06Fundamentals with paper Bitcoin. That's exciting. Because they're leaving the chain alone. So they're not you know what I mean? They're leaving the chain alone, but they're gonna leave it so alone that no one's gonna know what it looks like.

8:17Rod Palmer Yeah. Yeah. You lose the familiarity. And here's the other thing is if we do do covenants, are you going to let your wife share a UTXO with another man? What if your wife says, I need access to cheaper layer one. The only way I can do this is to share UTXOs. I'm sharing UTXOs with, you know, Robert Breedlove or

8:41Rod Palmer Tomer. Somebody like that. Some people will be fine with it. Would you?

8:46Fundamentals I mean, I would not be good with my wife sharing a UTXO with either of those guys.

8:51Rod Palmer Is there are there any Bitcoiners who you would be comfortable with your wife sharing a UTXO with?

8:58Richard Greaser I would say John from ungovernable miss. I I would let my wife he's he's an honorable guy, but he's one of the few. Yes. John, maybe Max. I I kinda like Max.

9:12Rod Palmer You would let your wife share UTXO with privacy podcasters.

9:16Richard Greaser Oh. You know, Monero users. Would you let your wife yeah. Well, it's it's kinda like, you know, like, if I was out of town and my wife is bored, it's like, you know, which of my friends would I like, take her out to a movie and not have to worry about? You know what I mean? Because, like, there there's some people that are scumbags and and there's some people that are not, but there's a that type of cross that you gotta build, like, I I I think, like, you know, I'm secure in my relationship with my wife. I wouldn't be worried about her going after one of these guys.

9:47Richard Greaser I'd be more worried about, you know, potentially a guy like, you know, you say, like, Alex Fetsky. You know? She he's gonna bother my wife. You know what I mean? He's gonna think she's hot. Don't leave your don't leave your wife snowed alone with Fetzky. Yeah. Yeah.

10:05Rod Palmer I think do you think it's worth husbands and wives having a conversation about if it comes to it and they have a chance to share UTXO with another male Bitcoin podcaster? You know, having that one where it's like, hey. If I'm ever in this situation, I could share UTXO with, Shinobi. Alright? Could share UTXO with name your, you know, Bitcoin podcast or that you think is hot. That you just you don't have to get preapproval. It's you get that opportunity.

10:35Fundamentals She's she's gonna share the UTXO with her. Are you when you share a UTXO with somebody, do you have to have anything to do with them?

10:45Rod Palmer It's unclear. They didn't do a very good job of talking about the technical aspects of CTV. It was more of an high level conversation about what is you know, are we even ready to talk about softwares right now? We're not ready.

11:01Fundamentals Who's we? I say the I call who I call the general population. Even, like, the people that are looked at as the adults in the room are clearly not ready.

11:11Richard Greaser Not ready for the prime time. I I think this is, like, one of the fundamental questions that's been being discussed right now. Is who has like, should we allow non credentialed people to have a voice in all of this? And how do you determine who's credentialed or not? Got Shadrach, Shadrach in the house. I don't know why he's not single. But,

11:36Richard Greaser you know, there's a lot of people out there. You know? You know I'm a credential journalist now? Why is that? Oh, because you got your press pass. That's right. Congratulations. Yeah. Fundamental's got a press pass to, the conference the Bitcoin conference. But, yeah. So there's this fundamental debate of of whom gets a voice on Bitcoin discussion.

11:58Richard Greaser Who is actually, allowed to participate in a conversation? So there's a lot of people that think that Bitcoin is some sort of, like, technocracy. So you got the people, like, heavily armed clown. You've got JW mother man. You've got, Shinobi. Shinobi doesn't think retarded people should have an opinion, in any of this, and and and a lot of lot of people find that controversial. It's because he has no sense of humor. You think so?

12:27Richard Greaser Well Well, I don't think having a sense of humor has anything to do with discussion on whether you let retarded people have a Yes. Opinion on their goals. What Everything to do with that. So if you have a sense of humor, you you You want retarded people to have an opinion. Well, it is there's a difference between having opinion and having,

12:45Fundamentals an impact. He doesn't want them to have a voice

12:48Richard Greaser that acts like a seat at the table. Yeah. Like, retards like Matthew Crowder. No. Those kinds. I thought alright. Got it. Are we gonna, like, retards like Matthew Crowder have any, impact on on Bitcoin development in general?

13:03Fundamentals He has no impact on anything.

13:06Richard Greaser Well, he's got he's got impact on some people's wallets that pay $709.

13:10Fundamentals Is the most boring. Like, he's literally, like, the definition

13:15Richard Greaser of a milk toast. Yeah. But but, you know, if he calls Peter Thiel, Thiel will probably pick up the phone. I guess that's gonna impact. Is that true?

13:22Rod Palmer I think so. He take a while back. He claims he used to work for peer two. Yeah. I haven't seen his LinkedIn for confirmation, but it's on, like, Bitcoin universe. Or, no, it's in,

13:33Fundamentals the biography of, like, one of his books that's for sale. Really know him. I just he looks like the guy who's hang who's, like, gonna he's gonna work until he the day he turns 65 so he can collect his social security. Yeah. It looks like that dude. Like, are we gonna allow Preston Pish to have an opinion on the topic? Oh, would you let your wife share the UTXO with Preston Pish?

13:54Richard Greaser I would. No. No. Absolutely not. Why not? I think I I think I think he's kinda dumb, but, like, I I don't think his money. I I would let my wife. Why why wouldn't he let Preston, share you too with her?

14:08Rod Palmer His his military background I I just know too many people who they deployed. They went to fight Iraq, Afghanistan, and somebody in the army, somebody one of their, you know, people from their own barracks, they they didn't treat the responsibility

14:26Rod Palmer of sharing, or, you know, when you go in these circumstances, you expect your, your the guys fighting along next to you to watch over your wife. It's similar to, like, you're gonna be the husk co husband of her UTXO. You you talked about this. You need a a certain level of trust and respect. And, Preston,

14:50Rod Palmer he he runs knots on ordinals or, CB, Umbrel, and he broadcast publicly the version that he ran, which is a known, it's an older version, and it's known to have vulnerabilities. It can freeze up your node. It can it can there's a lot of security risks involved if somebody was deciding to target him and target his node. I don't want my wife's UTXOs

15:15Rod Palmer to be compromised because she's sharing them with Preston. Makes sense. I think that's it. So this kinda brings up an interesting

15:23Richard Greaser discussion on, so one of the controversial, features that some people have been pointing to at knots. And I and I just wanna I wanna caveat here and and just say, I have not actually verified if there's a feature. I'm just kinda repeating what people say on Twitter, and I think that's important to to say. But, you know, the the people I'm repeating are people like JW Weatherman and and heavily armed clowns. So that's who I'm citing in this. Citing my sources as a credential journalist. But, they said a feature built in the notes that Luke made was your node shuts off if you don't update

15:58Richard Greaser in two years. And I wonder if this is a good safety feature because Luke Luke knew that people like Preston, who don't understand anything about this, were gonna be running these nodes. Yeah. Is he just protecting Preston in this scenario for potential vulnerabilities like that that that he's not smart enough to to patch himself?

16:20Rod Palmer Well, unfortunately, Luke has a credibility problem when it comes to security because he lost over 200 Bitcoin, by keeping it on a, you know, a lit like, it's like a go to where it gets to Linux hot hot wallet. And then he blamed it on the core devs and, you know, that's why he went according to Eric Wall, that's why he went and started Ocean because he needed a new job because he lost, you know, generational wealth. And he called the MPI and he doxed the entire core, and everybody who was at this developer conference it it was a messy thing. So he has a credibility. So maybe he says that's what it should do to protect people like Preston who might have be more exposed to these vulnerabilities because they just don't have the technical chops. They're macro he's a macro podcaster. He's not a technical. He's he doesn't get enough entropy.

17:08Rod Palmer So

17:09Fundamentals it's hard to say. It just it's too early to decide that the Nazis are right. That's all I'm saying. You know, I think there's certain kinds of, like, scumbags out there who when they share a UTXO with your wife, it can, like, backdoor into Target gift cards.

17:27Rod Palmer That's the word. Yeah. That's the worry. You don't want your wife spending all of her UTXOs, whether they're, you know, the virtual UTXOs or, you know, the old school ones. You don't want her to spend it all at Target. That's all. But my opinion

17:43Rod Palmer about this whole software debate is what really matters is that what I've learned since being in Vegas for a few days is that boomers are gamblers. These people,

17:56Rod Palmer there were people are talking about cutting Social Security, and instead of saving it and buying Bitcoin with it, they're buying, you know, maybe a little bit of paper Bitcoin, but they're mostly gambling it at the casinos. And there's a lot of boomers coming into Bitcoin right now. And if we're gonna be talking about activating soft forks, I don't know if we want to do it with so many boomers have so much influence, and they're so willing to gamble on the future.

18:25Rod Palmer That's a problem. I don't wanna gamble on on Bitcoin. Counterpoint, though.

18:29Fundamentals Maybe it's the so starting these soft forks is feeding the gambling itch for these boomers. Like, Bitcoin, it's not that risky until you get these until you get these people together trying to do the software.

18:45Rod Palmer Now it's getting now now it's getting very risky like like the stocks that the boomers love. The boomers don't listen to enough hours of Bitcoin pot. They're not listening forty hours a week, most of them. Most of them are not on social media enough to see Dennis Porter and Dennis Porter's tweets and and his announcements. And they're they just have a inherent, you know, I think they're they're gonna identify with the concept of a soft fork. If you're a boomer and you don't listen to Dennis Porter, your fork is gonna be soft a lot. You're gonna be a soft fork BitCorner. And that they might just do it because, you know, what's

19:22Rod Palmer it's nominal determinism or something like that where if you're if you had a name like, Band name alert, by the way. Yeah. If your name if your name is, you know, blacksmith or something or something. I don't know. Whatever. But just the they're gonna identify it, and they're gonna choose it. They're gonna activate it. It. They wanna activate a soft fork. That's all boomers wanna do these days. They're horny, and they they don't have that support. They wanna activate their soft fork.

19:48Richard Greaser We're gonna have to have a serious conversation about the security implications of the Bitcoin Policy Institute of Zach Shapiro, David Zell, Grant McCarthy, Matthew Pines, and and all the rest of them. Of them going in orange pilling these boomer politicians because they're gonna have very strong opinions on soft force. So the people that are going

20:10Richard Greaser and telling us where we can smoke, should they be allowed because I prefer that Bitcoin podcasters that don't have credentialed opinions on Bitcoin. I prefer their opinions over the people telling us where we can't can't smoke in Washington and their opinions on Fort.

20:29Rod Palmer Yeah. That's what and the boomers are to blame for smoking, almost all the smoking bans. They were in control when smoking stopped being

20:40Rod Palmer allowed. I just sometimes just wanna go to Outback Steakhouse, have a bloomin' onion, and smoke Marlboro Red. You can't do that. You haven't been able to do that for They love twenty years. They love their smoking when they were doing it. Of course. Yeah. They the boomers are hypocrites across the board. They didn't serve Vietnam. They draft dodge. Now they're sending everybody to go keep the economy strong to defend Israel. They had the most divorces, the most abortions, if any any generation in history. And now they're telling people about family values. They're telling people about health. Like, you have to get you have to smoke outside, and you have to get experimental vaccines if you wanna be healthy. Well, they don't still have any credibility.

21:18Richard Greaser Is it their attitude is smoking for the, but not for me. Like, they had their heyday

21:23Rod Palmer to They smoke on airplanes. Yep. None of us I wasn't alive when you were able to smoke on airplanes. Yep.

21:29Richard Greaser It it really is just this. I don't know what we could do about the boomer is to keep them in track. I mean, I I I think, like, the the solace is is that most of them are too dumb to figure out Bitcoin. Most of them have paper Bitcoin too. Yeah.

21:44Rod Palmer So they don't they're less likely to run notes, but they are not less likely to have opinions. And those opinions can be influential because there are people who still value the opinion of, boomers, especially rich ones. Yeah.

22:01Richard Greaser Yeah. That was a good point. Yeah. I mean, maybe maybe paper paper Bitcoin is kinda like the, the flypaper that the boomers stick to where they don't have any influence on, the protocol development.

22:14Fundamentals Pay for Bitcoin. And you know what? If you're a Bitcoiner, who cares in a certain way? Yeah. If you're a Bitcoiner, who cares? It paper Bitcoin by the way, we're not talking about fractionally reserve paper Bitcoin. We're talking, you know, one to one one to one economic paper Bitcoin. If that's how they wanna do it Does that exist? What's that? Does one to one paper Bitcoin are you talking about the ETFs? Well, yeah. So I think certainly certainly the ETF is a one to one paper Bitcoin. Now it is now.

22:47Rod Palmer Do you think that the the ETFs solve that unit bias, issue that people are talking about in the Sats bits? Or, like, how do we re how do we fix the unit bias? I think it already has been. I think that we fixed the unit bias for boomers. They saw they could buy Bitcoin at, like, $37.

23:07Fundamentals For boomers, it did. Yeah. Yeah. It completely distracted them.

23:13Rod Palmer Interesting. So we we we don't want the boomers to have too much influence. We don't I don't wanna share my wife's I don't want my wife to share UTXOs with boomers. That's for sure.

23:26Fundamentals I don't know I don't know how we fix it. I mean, are we a society are we a society that discriminates against boomers?

23:32Richard Greaser I think we should be. I think I agree. Yeah. I mean, if they discriminate against us and they have this animosity towards, people that just wanna be free and smoke cigarettes. Yes.

23:47Richard Greaser Equal discrimination. That's your right as a free human being to discriminate back, I guess. It's a retaliatory action. It's a tit for tat situation.

23:58Rod Palmer What have what have boomers ever done for us? They, got us $37,000,000,000,000 into debt. They, they own all the houses and assets because they took advantage of dropping interest rates. And here's most importantly, boomers have never won any wars. Name a war in history that the boomers caught in,

24:19Rod Palmer led, any of it. They haven't won any wars. They lost to Vietnam. They lost to the the Taliban. They lost to whatever the fucking groups are in Iraq that are in control now. They lost all the wars. They they call Grenada a war. It's not a war. That's it. That's bullshit to try to put that one on the scoreboard. They haven't won anything. They haven't they don't deserve They're like Kosovo in there too. Security. Or with the the Bosnia Bosnia Kosovo.

24:47Richard Greaser They're like the French the French of generations. That's what the boomers are. Yeah. They're just losers. I mean, if you're pulling on Grenada

24:54Fundamentals and you're a United States boomer, it's pretty pathetic.

24:58Rod Palmer They're and they're losing the war in Ukraine, Russia by picking the wrong side. They're losing The war on drugs? War on drugs. War on drugs, war on cancer, war on terror, war on poverty. So now I I also hope they decide to launch a war on Bitcoin because they'll lose. Yes.

25:14Richard Greaser Well, they kinda have. Like, the boomers in Washington were the one you look at the Biden administration. The Biden administration was the embodiment of this. And let's be honest about Donald Trump. We have to be honest. He has no idea what any of this shit is. It's the younger generation. It's his kids that are advising

25:34Richard Greaser him on this. So you got Baron. So so Eric and and Don Junior are kinda retarded. Baron I'm surprised they're not here at this event, by the way. Yeah.

25:41Rod Palmer They could be they could be incognito. Don Junior is the most retarded. Eric is slightly below, and Baron is he's Yeah. Not too bad.

25:50Richard Greaser What happened to Ivanka? Where did they put her?

25:53Fundamentals She's just hot. She just disappeared with Jared Kushner.

25:56Richard Greaser Yeah.

25:57Rod Palmer Now real quick to, remind everybody what's going on. We're at spamming Vegas right now at the in Las Vegas at the conference, and this is a really cool, building, a really cool environment that they've got. Honestly, so far that we've been here, the most popular portion of this conference has been, this cafeteria. The the speeches are okay. The panels seem to have gone well, but everybody's hanging out here in the cafeteria.

26:25Rod Palmer It's probably the coolest conference cafeteria. Well, you know, it kinda looks like one of those modern McDonald's, but there's some cool fake plants. And this is where everybody's hanging out. Nobody's, I see sliders and chicken fingers. Yeah. People talk about, you know, go to conferences for these panels and these speakers and all this engagement. But, no, I think it's to, eat deli sandwiches

26:46Fundamentals and talk about ordinals with, you know, other subscribers. But when we set up the mic's up, there were about five people in here,

26:52Richard Greaser and now there's about a 150. I I think that's because they came to see us, honestly. They're they're just kinda they're giving us weird glances for some I don't think it's a strange sight to be at a conference seeing people podcasting about Bitcoin. It might be because we're just you know, we all look different. We have our credentials.

27:12Fundamentals We're the probably the only credentialed journalists that gave this event attention. Yeah.

27:17Rod Palmer Yeah. Well, BlockSpace is here. Yeah. Charlie Spears. Yeah. Those guys are here. I don't know if they have credentials. Are they up to date?

27:25Richard Greaser I don't I I can't I haven't verified. They they technically have credentials because they are media partner with this event. Okay. So I think that is,

27:34Fundamentals pretty official. Where's their podcast?

27:37Richard Greaser They they actually got a room. They we we got we got sent to the,

27:41Fundamentals the cafeteria. They have their own private room. We're here with the people. We're feeling the vibe of the people here.

27:48Rod Palmer We're in the hot we're in the hot spot for this conference right now. Yeah. A 100%. Yeah. The part where you pay, like, $12 for a ham sandwich that's soggy and you get to sit around fake plants and just and just hang out with the, you know, the service staff. Yeah. So far, the most popular spot here.

28:08Richard Greaser Well, I do have good news, guys. I I figured out zap.stream. It looks like we're live on zap.stream. We've only got a few viewers, and, you know, part of the reason is because I haven't figured out how to, share it. Anybody we know in there? Nobody's commenting me yet. But, yeah. If you wanna throw comments and, ask questions, what we're seeing on the ground here in, we got we got we just got zapped a 149 stats. Nice.

28:36Fundamentals Challenger.

28:37Richard Greaser Yeah. So so n pub

28:40Rod Palmer one y e It says hazard, h Z RD one four nine. I don't recognize that, Nostra app username, but thank you for the sets.

28:50Richard Greaser And they say better than the main stage. So, yeah, we are currently competing with the, the Bitcoin magazine event. I don't I don't even know what's going on over there today. It's it's industry day. I think these people are thirsty

29:04Rod Palmer for Bitcoin podcast with signal and entropy. I think I I certainly didn't come to this conference expecting to to for our stage, our table to be the most popular area in the conference, but it is. It's it's happened that way. Yeah. I do wanna barely announced it. I do wanna, you know, confirm a very,

29:25Richard Greaser important statement that Aaron Redwing said. So, you know, I was walking around with fundamentals this morning around the Venetian. We were taking a look at what was happening at the Bitcoin Magazine conference. Weren't that many women there. The majority of the women that I saw, we were actually hanging out with, which is kind of interesting. Yeah. The the team from, twenty one media has a has a couple women on them. Shout out to twenty one.

29:50Richard Greaser You you look around here, and Aaron Redwing's estimation, that's probably about 30%, women, you know, biological women, not just people like Jeremy Rubin, is accurate.

30:06Richard Greaser And I'm impressed. I'm impressed. So not only are these people, using Bitcoin, there's,

30:15Fundamentals women here. There's more women here.

30:17Richard Greaser So what what does that say? You think women prefer men who use,

30:23Rod Palmer They prefer men who know how to use Bitcoin. Okay. And I just hey. Listen. It's only anecdotal evidence. I haven't seen the hard data, but talking to fellow plebs and and fellow podcasters, women just don't think paper Bitcoin is hot. They don't think it's interesting. They don't care about Bitcoin treasury companies. They don't care about micro strategy and nav. They don't care about any of that. They they don't care about MSTY. They just

30:50Rod Palmer they they think it's boring. They don't think it's Bitcoin is for gold diggers. Right. Yeah. There you go. Whereas real Bitcoin

30:57Fundamentals is for real women.

30:59Richard Greaser Very, very interesting.

31:03Rod Palmer We got another, zap on zap. Stream from Mark, dinosaur lightning and, camera and heart emoji. Fuck the state. Fuck the state. Yeah. Fuck the state. Paper Bitcoin is a is downstream of the state. You can't have paper Bitcoin without the state. You can have Bitcoin without the state, and you can have Bitcoin maybe you know, we're working towards ending the state, but you can't have paper Bitcoin without the support of the state.

31:28Fundamentals You know, this event, I think, has more fuck the state types, and that's probably why there's more women here.

31:36Rod Palmer Yep. That that makes sense. I didn't think about it that way. I have not seen a single politician.

31:41Richard Greaser Nope. I have not seen a single any sense? Yeah. I mean, there's probably feds here, but they're they're not as obvious. You don't see, Secret Service walking around anywhere. There's no TSA no TSA agents at at spam in Vegas. Yeah.

32:01Rod Palmer And there's there's I don't even see a cop, security, or anything. We brought our bags in. No problem. Right. Right. Nobody nobody's wearing Monero shirts here, so the feds are at least I I I don't I don't think there's any feds here. None of nobody looks like a fed. I mean, I you gotta assume there is, though. So I I guess there's a question,

32:23Richard Greaser that I have. So, you know, one of the one of the common memes of why people, you know, the people advocating for the use of paper Bitcoin, suggest is this idea of Trojan horse in the state. Right? Sure.

32:39Richard Greaser And, you know, the all the feds are at all events that are supposedly Trojan horse in the state. At this one, maybe the feds aren't taking people seriously that are putting monkey JPEGs on the blockchain. But maybe this is the real Trojan horse.

32:60Richard Greaser Is that what are your thoughts on that, guys?

33:04Rod Palmer This is probably the most, it's it's not consistent, but it comes in waves. The probably the most novel and effective way to launder money on Bitcoin right now is through inscriptions, BRCs,

33:19Rod Palmer some of these other, some of these other tools. And it's bringing money laundering back from Monero. It's bringing money laundering back from paper Bitcoin, and it's it's finally putting it back on chain because I don't know if the miners, can exist in this certain form that they are now. And I don't know if bid actors, will continue to mine ideologically without money laundering on Bitcoin. And I think that that's a really

33:46Rod Palmer important aspect of the security of the protocol is that money laundering continue to happen. Our communities

33:52Fundamentals art art communities are notorious for money laundering. Exactly. And if Hunter Biden was selling art or paying, you know, $80,000,000 for art pieces, there's definitely feds here trying to learn how to use JPEGs and magic Internet money.

34:08Richard Greaser Yeah. But, like, the thing is about Hunter Biden is, like, I I don't think guys like that take this very seriously because they're more interested in in fiat money laundering. Like, it it's like, why should I go through the trouble of figuring out how to set up a magic Eden account, how to inscribe a JPEG on the blockchain while getting yelled at by all the Bitcoin podcasters for being shitcoiners when I could just do all of this stuff through the banking system,

34:35Richard Greaser get a pat on the back, get a white glove service from Jamie Dimon and, you know, whoever else. The the barrier to entry for the fiat money laundering for for people like it's it's like if he came into spamming Vegas and he's showing his ordinal set to us,

34:57Richard Greaser he would have to rebuild his brand. Because I think people here, you know, they listen to how money podcast. They're they're presented with these ideas. They they they're actually, like, kinda close to or on par with what reality is. And they they look at how to buy it in. They're not like they're not like Aubrey Strobel, you know, for tweeting about how much of a patriot, Joe Biden was. You know, if you think Joe Biden's a patriot Sir.

35:25Richard Greaser You don't like ordinals, you, No. There's something wrong there. I mean, you're you're just not you're not in touch with reality. Joe Biden, at the end of his presidency, attempted

35:42Richard Greaser attempted to ban nicotine and cigarettes.

35:45Rod Palmer Do does anybody remember this? Yes. I do. Yes. I do. I mean, it it was after a trend of they banned menthols, which I'm not gonna speak up against that one, but they they banned, vapes, the the jewels. Again, not gonna speak up against that one. And then they were going after Zins

36:03Rod Palmer and actually removing nicotine from cigarettes. They wanted people to basically be like Madex and only smoke cloves. They wanted you to get the all the carcinogens in your lungs without

36:17Fundamentals any of the benefits. Without any of the protection from Parkinson's.

36:21Rod Palmer But you can't just have carcinogens in your lungs without

36:25Fundamentals balancing it with nicotine. That's how you that's just how you That's right. That this is like, you know, when an oyster, people say oysters are unhealthy because it has all this mercury, but it also has the selenium. It has the other things that are needed to counteract it. So if you just were to rip one piece out, this is my problem with financial engineering and Bitcoin, by the way, but if you're just to rip one piece out like nicotine, then you're really left with a Franken monster

36:52Rod Palmer of a horrible You just can't have products. You just can't have it's like Monero. Too many trade offs, and it you end up you end up creating a a worthless or it is just not the functionality just Do you think utilities too long. Do you think that removing nicotine

37:08Fundamentals was,

37:09Rod Palmer you know, to help people? Or do you think No. It's to peep keep them thinking for themselves and from revolting and from rising up. I mean, the the Romans didn't let the slaves and the gladiators exercise because they didn't want them to be strong. So they, you know, it doesn't say anything in history, but I assume they didn't let us smoke cigarettes, because that would have had the same effect. But back to Richard's point on the politicians and, you know, what they prefer, like, they the the like you said, the red carpet that Jamie Dimon rolls out. I'm I'm curious. Do you remember it's it's not always been the case that the government and the highest levels of the establishment have ignored,

37:47Rod Palmer inscriptions. Donald Trump has an ordinal. Donald Trump has an ordinal on chain. His sons are retarded. They're always doing meme coins and pump and dumps, but they they haven't seen the value of doing it with Bitcoin. They're just doing it with wrapped Bitcoin or some of these other Ethereum based protocols. Well,

38:05Richard Greaser I I think here here's what I have to say about Trump and and the the Trump administration is they are or he is and this is why the boomers don't like Trump largely is he is the sign of capitulation

38:22Richard Greaser on Bitcoin. They wanted their next war to be the war on Bitcoin. They attempted to to wage that war with Joe Biden. They are realizing they are losing that war by Trump becoming an ordinals guy and a shitcoiner in general. It's a sign of capitulation. It's it's the the sign of the boomers,

38:43Richard Greaser you know, who are who are clutching on the power as long as they can. Wanna make things as shitty for the younger generations as possible, that wanna prevent smoking, restrictions being lifted till the day that they die. It is a sign of them losing. They don't like that. They don't like the reality of Bitcoin winning, universally in Trump.

39:08Fundamentals It really didn't matter. Yeah. I think Trump you know what else? When Trump wants to make a point about something, he'll do the most ugly version. He'll embrace the, like, the ugliest versions of something to let you know how serious he is. Yeah. And so I think him minting an ordinal is just him letting people know how serious he is about embracing Bitcoin. Yeah. That he will embrace the, like, the the ugliest parts of it potentially.

39:33Fundamentals Also, I think there's, you know, there's a lot of marketing opportunity because this is a, probably, a very easily marketed to group of people that he probably thinks he can drift on pretty easily.

39:48Richard Greaser Yeah. Well, I've got

39:53Rod Palmer yeah. So the the cafeteria continues to be more and more popular here at, standing Vegas. Now a little bit of a, off topic here, but I just got word that there's rumors floating around that Mike Brock has been spotted at the Venetian. So, that is an I don't know where that goes. Maybe we could get him on a on a live stream this week, or we could get him to satirize the system. It kinda put

40:23Rod Palmer put it out there about how important these Bitcoin podcasts and smokey cigarettes are because I think if he sees it in action at at our event, tomorrow night at the nerd, on Fremont Street, Las Vegas, I think we we might be able to change his mind. I I have a theory about Mike Brock. Alright. Let's go. Let's hear it.

40:41Fundamentals It's that he thought he could come to the Bitcoin conference and not immediately just be bombarded by people making fun of him.

40:50Rod Palmer It'll be interesting to find out if he's right. I don't know how many people are gonna recognize him. He's lost a lot of weight since his last conference. Yeah.

40:58Richard Greaser Well, if I see him, I'm probably gonna walk up to him, sign a pack of cigarettes for him, tell him, and try and shake his hand, tell him to quit being a pussy,

41:07Fundamentals and start listening to 48 HPW. So, you know, maybe that's what he's already doing. If he buys a copy of Atlas Shrugged, I think you would we do an autograph after him. Alright. Yeah.

41:19Richard Greaser That I mean, that would be kind of a strange, thing to do,

41:24Rod Palmer to If anybody here in Vegas has a copy of Atlas Shrugged that are they're willing to, you know, donate it or give it to Mike Brock to kinda help him get back on the right track. Fountainhead would be acceptable as well. Yeah. Yeah. Come to satirize the system. Get that autograph by Richard Greaser, and make sure you get it to Mike, especially if you know Mike and you're in the area and you have Atlas trucks. I mean, this this could be the intervention he needs. Yeah.

41:51Richard Greaser It might be make more sense to I I actually give him the fountain that had to start out because, you know, he essentially embodies one of the characters.

42:01Fundamentals Absolutely. Absolutely.

42:03Richard Greaser Well, one of the things I wanted to talk about with you fundamentals while we got here so you and I were discussing the other night some of these Bitcoin influences out there being Peter Keating type characters. I wanna hear your thoughts on that.

42:19Fundamentals Well, for anybody who has read the fountainhead, you know, Peter Keating is the character that, like, was received all the accolades, got the success, but he was also obsessed

42:32Fundamentals with getting the accolades and getting the acceptance. I think that I mean, I think it's fair to say that a lot of this, you know, the influencer space in Bitcoin probably follows his archetype.

42:47Richard Greaser Yeah.

42:48Fundamentals And they probably they probably would correctly self identify themselves with Peter. They probably view him as a hero in the book. They don't, you know, these aren't people who think they're Howard Bork or anybody. They think they're Peter Keating, and they're perfectly happy with that. Yeah. It's very interesting to think about. I mean, it's, Like, we view that we view him as a bit of a douche and a kind of a a villainous character. He betrayed, you know,

43:19Fundamentals he betrayed Howard's trust and he real kinda ruined his life he ruined his life, you know, many times. But they don't view it that way. They would view, you know, I think these are the kind of people that watch The Phantom Menace and identify with the Viceroy.

43:35Richard Greaser Yeah. Well, it's interesting because and, like, this is why it's important to read these books on a regular basis. Right? Is to have the proper context because our our culture and the the type of media that is promoted as as being good.

43:53Richard Greaser One of the things that we we were talking about was Breaking Bad and how many of the people watching Breaking Bad were, you know, empathizing or,

44:04Rod Palmer you know, were So they sympathize with the, you know With the black guy? Bad guy. It's like people who like the Joker and Batman. Yeah. People who like Tony Soprano. The villain the the protagonist

44:15Fundamentals is evil. The writers, Vince Gilligan, what has said that he just kept he really kept raising the bar on how awful Walter White was because he couldn't believe, how these these fans

44:30Fundamentals kept rooting for him. Yeah. It's like, what is wrong with you people? This guy is disgusting. Like, what are we gonna have to do? Make him kill a kid?

44:38Rod Palmer And that wouldn't work. That didn't even work. Now he killed the kid. I mean, the kid was annoying, but People were rooting for Walter White until literally the end in the final episode.

44:47Richard Greaser Yeah. And I think that's the the importance of of understanding framing of stories is, you know, what what's the media? Frames the bad guys as the good guys. And and Bitcoin podcasters do this sometimes too.

45:03Rod Palmer Yeah.

45:05Richard Greaser That's why the infantry and entropy on on Bitcoin podcasts, on on Bitcoin events is really, really important, to see a lot of different perspectives and and and to look at things some way. Because, you know, you see a story told from, you know, different angles. You're gonna come to different conclusions on things. Like, there's no wonder what Mike Brock thinks what he thinks. It's it's because of the content that he's consuming.

45:31Richard Greaser He's a sophisticated

45:32Fundamentals philosopher, but he doesn't have enough entropy. That's and it's that's such a key. Because as funny as it was to tell him that listening to Bitcoin pot listening to forty hours of podcast and smoking cigarettes, you know, you know, it's a troll. However, those things would probably benefit him greatly If he did if he if he spent a month smoking cigarettes and listening to Bitcoin podcast, he would probably

45:58Fundamentals reach the kind of enlightenment that he believes he has believes he's achieved.

46:04Richard Greaser Yep.

46:07Rod Palmer What about you can send that to everybody else. What is what do you think about do you is it worth getting your wife into something like inscriptions or inscribing Vegas to get her to, like, finally listen to forty hours per week? Because I think a lot of people have that problem. They can't get their wife to listen to forty hours.

46:28Richard Greaser It might be better to take them to this event than to the Bitcoin conference.

46:36Rod Palmer Or you don't want your wife to go to her first conference and, you know, she's surrounded by feds and Republicans.

46:43Richard Greaser Yeah.

46:44Rod Palmer Not not just any Republicans. Republican politicians.

46:47Richard Greaser Yeah.

46:49Rod Palmer They don't think girls don't think Republican politicians are hot.

46:54Fundamentals Everybody I'm just looking in that cafeteria here. Everybody here is engaged. Everybody is here. They're speaking very intently to each other. You know? It's a different vibe. Yeah. I'm not trying to romanticize it, but it's a different vibe from the conference.

47:10Richard Greaser Not a lot of cell phones out, not a lot of selfie sticks, not a lot of,

47:17Rod Palmer no Bitcoin magazine preference.

47:20Fundamentals They've gotten over the novelty of that fact that we're here. No one's paying attention to us anymore.

47:24Rod Palmer Ordinals Ordinals magazine isn't even here. It doesn't. It's kinda shocking.

47:30Richard Greaser The one thing I will say is there's one guy walking around with a fake cigarette as a prop. And that that's kind of, you know, the stolen valor. There's that one guy. But there's that one guy everywhere. You know what I mean? You know who made that you know who made that famous?

47:47Fundamentals The poker player, Sammy Farha, the runner-up of the two thousand three World Series of Poker that Chris Moneymaker won. His whole thing was the unlit cigarette.

47:58Rod Palmer This I would say the the main negative, of spamming Vegas so far is at least at the, you know, the the casinos, you can smoke cigarettes inside. I don't think you can smoke cigarettes inside here.

48:11Fundamentals No. But you can drink airplane bottles. You could drink you can get your drink on here.

48:16Rod Palmer Yeah. Like, those, those little cinnamon cookies that you get on, you know, the airplane when they're doing the the beverage service. But everybody is in this cafeteria hanging out because they have stuff like that. We're about to test your theory. Right. Right.

48:30Richard Greaser I don't know. I wanna keep the stream rolling. I don't wanna get kicked out yet. So I might step away from the stream for a minute to smoke a cigarette.

48:37Rod Palmer Alright. Well, we can hold it down. You can hold it down for a couple minutes. Down. Yeah. I'll take the headphones up back in here.

48:43Fundamentals Alright.

48:46Rod Palmer Yeah. So, Richard Greaser's gonna step out. He's gonna have a marble red. So it's just, it's me in fundamentals here for a few minutes. For those of you just tuning in, we're expanding Vegas, the inscriptions event. And, we're in the cafeteria recording live, where everybody else is at. Not sure still if, it's to see us, but people are paying attention. So I got a question for you. What's up? Is it possible that one man's spam is another man's entropy?

49:17Rod Palmer Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't know if I've thought about it that way before, but I agree. I think that if you, If you, if you don't know if you don't have a good understanding of what entropy is, you it's easy to mistake things that aren't entropy for entropy. You might think this is a random

49:52Rod Palmer AI slot information. It might you might think that it's, you you might think it's chaos. You might think it's bullshit. You might think it's a scam. But, the the more the more you study it, the more you think about it, and the more you're exposed to it, it is easier to start to tell, like, what this is just signal that hasn't been compressed enough yet. So we're still compressing the signal into a more efficient medium, but this is not entropy.

50:23Rod Palmer And it's still valuable, and you can still learn from it. So I think, personally, any individual inscription or ordinal is probably not worth too much at least in the long term. But when you start looking at these things in sets and you start to have context around how it affects human activity, I think that's where you can start to separate the, the entropy

50:48Rod Palmer from from the signal.

50:52Fundamentals I think it's interesting. I I want sometimes I wonder I don't think about this too deeply too often, but this whole spam thing that everybody is worked up over.

51:03Rod Palmer This is Shadrach, by the way. Shadrach now. In the stream. He's, he's got the cigarette in his mouth, and Aaron Redwing's coming over. So stop by. What's that? No. Come on. Well no. Sorry. What's that? Oh, well,

51:22Rod Palmer we're just we're we're just making we're just talking about spam in Vegas, how the cafeteria is the most popular, part of the of the conference so far. Oh, we talked about this. So, but right now, we're talking to one of the the the organizers here of spamming Vegas, Erin Redwing. And she's asking what my thoughts are so far, and we discussed with there's no Feds. There's no, Republican politicians. Well, not that we can tell. There's no TSA agents.

51:48Rod Palmer Nobody's talking about paper Bitcoin. People actually use Bitcoin. You know, it's just a market difference from the Venetian where it's, you know, paper Bitcoin, Republican politicians, TSA agents. It's it's a lot different. It's it's not what we expected. It's stark contrast. But it's great. It's great so far. The cafeteria is popping right now. Yeah. This is a great space. Are you speaking, Aaron? Are you gonna be speaking to people wanna oh, did this tell tell oh. You're bigger. Yeah. Alright.

52:30Rod Palmer I don't know why we didn't do this right from the jump. Are you live somewhere? My voice. This is fucked up. So Aaron is using, is using Richard's voice mod right now. So he's gonna switch microphones with fundamentals.

52:47Rod Palmer Yeah.

52:50Fundamentals Yeah.

52:53Rod Palmer That one that one is, that one's raw dogging. Okay. Oh. Alright. Now your voice is back. So where are you? Had a cigarette, so her voice was deep for a few minutes. She cleared the frog.

53:03Erin Redwing Just pounded one in one breath.

53:05Rod Palmer Yeah. So we're on zap dot stream right now. We're on, we're live on x. And, Awesome. So how's it going so far? This is this is your event. This is a great, environment, like, the the panel room, the speech room. Looks amazing. Looks like you're in outer space. Yes. Yeah. I think,

53:24Erin Redwing I I feel like Bitcoin, it kinda lacks some of the well, okay. You can be a carnivore. Right? Like, you can eat only steak. You can listen to 40 of podcast per week. Like, there's definitely a cultural aspect to Bitcoin. But I feel like in terms of visuals, you really only have, you only have orange to work with. You know? Like, you can Right. Have an orange hat. You can put the Bitcoin bee on it. But that's basically it. So it's kinda nice having a Bitcoin conference where we have so much art at our disposal because we can make shit look really cool. Yes.

53:54Rod Palmer And one of the things we're talking about is it's really important, especially for the security of the protocol, that people start to find more creative ways to launder money. And what is the most, the most popular way to do it in the TradFi or in the legacy finance world is art. And why would that be the same on chain? Absolutely. You're so right. You're so right. But, what is

54:20Rod Palmer what's going on the rest of this event? What should people be excited for who maybe they wanna come check this out because they didn't even know this event was going on until they saw this live stream. Yeah. So we have a happy hour and after party after this. Oh my god. It's yeah. It's 03:30.

54:35Erin Redwing Yeah. It's 03:30PM right now. So we have about two and a half hours more programming, for the actual conference. And then we're staying here for just basically the whole night to party. So, I think it's like Pizza Ninjas, which is original collection, is sponsoring after party. So if you apply on Luma, like, whatever, DM me, I'll approve you.

54:56Erin Redwing Yeah. We're partying here all night. I'm just happy because once today is done, then I'm done. Like, I'm just enjoying Vegas after that. Hell yeah. Yeah.

55:06Rod Palmer So, yeah, if you are in town already, which it seems like a lot of people are, unless you work in the industry or you're a whale, there's nothing going on for you at the Venetian right now. But this is gonna be happening at the Luminarium, with, inscribing Atlantis. You can find out more information on X there. But you can come here and party all night with no TSA agents, no Republican politicians, just people who are they're not even talking about paper Bitcoin. They're building on Bitcoin. I don't even know what is paper bit MicroStrategy,

55:38Rod Palmer like, all the the stocks. Oh. Yeah. That's what they call. They call people talk about that. Exactly. We haven't heard a single discussion. Yeah. No. It's not like that at all. People are, they're into the art, weirdly. They are. Yeah. And there's more girls here per, per dude than anything I've seen at the Venetian store. What I tell you? What I tell you? Yeah. You did. You if you listen to our interview on on Google Weekly, she told us. You also called the the the great NGU of May due to the astrology and the stars, and you were right. We got all time high.

56:10Erin Redwing It's pumping. Yeah. I I there's this, the late French astrologer Andre Barbot who passed away in 2019 right before COVID. His final interview that he gave, he talked about how, more astrologers need to be making bold predictions. Like, every astrologer, every practicing astrologer has an idea of what they think is gonna happen, but they don't like putting it out there because there's just like, you don't wanna be wrong, you don't wanna get embarrassed, you know. Like, it also makes you seem a little bit like the, like, billboards that are like Jesus is coming back on, like, 05/24/2025.

56:43Erin Redwing You know? It's it's a bad look, but he really he he accurately he's a big astrologer in the sixties to eighties. He accurately predicted the fall of the Soviet Union to the month. He predict he predicted COVID to the month back in the eighties. Like, I think he predicted the fall of the Soviet Union. Didn't even know about viruses back then. Dude, like, he was like, oh, global pandemic. Like, we're gonna have a global pandemic in, like, beginning of twenty twenty. Like, he and so before he died, which he unfortunately didn't live to be able to actually see his prediction, he literally said, like, if you're an astrologer who's doing this kind of work, you need to be putting your predictions out there because the reason why I'm famous and acclaimed now is because I have the balls to do it. So that's what I'm trying to do. Yeah. We're I was just telling fundamentals, there's too many people who are afraid to be called retarded.

57:27Rod Palmer They they're they're so afraid of that word. They don't wanna be labeled retard, but you you have to take bold chances. Bitcoin podcasters have to make bold big predictions. Astrologers have to make bold big predictions because you could help you you could help somebody be and you could just go down in history as a legend if you're right. Yeah. You can't become highly regarded unless you're willing to be highly retarded. Exact exact. That should be a sticker. Yeah. Yeah. You guys should get on it. Come on. You got so highly regarded unless you're willing to be called retarded. Yeah. Yeah. A 100% true.

58:02Erin Redwing So what is your schedule for the rest of the week like?

58:05Rod Palmer We are hitting we have our event tomorrow night at, the nerd on Fremont Street, satirize the system. Nice. We I you know, you've been invited or so we hope you can make I'll be there after my dinner. Yeah. Hell, yeah. Yeah. It could be midget wrestling, some good panels. It's gonna help go to help the samurai devs. Some other people who are actually were actually building on Bitcoin, before the feds got them. Yeah. We're we're just hitting different events. I think I'm going to the Taproot wizard party, which is kinda adjacent to this one. Okay. So you're really doing some investigative reporting this week. Got a ticket. I applied, you know, I yeah. To apply for a ticket, and I got approved right away. So, I'm excited to check that one out. I haven't I haven't seen any of the Taproot Wizards here yet. Are they coming? They, I think they might I hope not. No. None of them are listening to this. I No. You're right. Think they're afraid

58:54Erin Redwing of, so their floor price do you know how the Taproot Wizards Mint went? Like, are you familiar with Taproot Wizards floor at all?

59:01Rod Palmer I am familiar

59:03Erin Redwing with all of the criticism, but not From the Bitcoin details. Like, from the Bitcoin Maxi side? Or Yeah. Well, also some of the people who bought Taproot Wizards don't seem super happy about it. Minted Taproot Wizards for 0.2 BTC each. So you just put 0.2 BTC for a Taproot Wizard. They minted during eclipse season, which I specifically warned them not to do. They did not listen. So they minted during eclipse season, they minted for 0.2 BTC. Obviously, because it's Bitcoin, you can never know who is actually buying anything. Right? It's sort of pseudonymous. So you can Right. You can make, noticers may notice connections between wallets, but of course, you can never prove anything. Collection mince out. It has not gone back to its floor price since then. Wow. So it's a very Everything's making big all time highs again except

59:51Rod Palmer Wizards.

59:52Erin Redwing Yeah. Yeah. So I am pretty sure again, I really hope they don't listen to this. I'm pretty sure they're afraid to show their face here, to be honest. That's what I think is happening. Interesting. Yeah. Well, they they shouldn't be. This is, this is a great event. Yeah. But,

1:00:05Richard Greaser not if you're

1:00:07Erin Redwing No. But you sold if you sold

1:00:09Rod Palmer some NFTs to people who are, you know, underwater badly. Yeah. Totally. Totally. How many people do you think are here who may, you know again, we don't know. Who may have bought one of those and maybe want to be duty up.

1:00:26Erin Redwing At least five. That's my camera guy, by the way. Wait. Alfredo. Alfredo.

1:00:30Rod Palmer Alfredo.

1:00:31Erin Redwing These guys are a non, just FYI. These guys are anonymous. So just don't if you put stuff in, just don't show their faces. Perfect.

1:00:43Rod Palmer That's that's That's alright. Fundamentals is out there. Okay. Out there. But he doesn't want his face shown at a At something like that. At an ordinals part. Something like this. Oh.

1:00:54Erin Redwing Yeah. No. I oh, I mean, you know, it's, it's interesting. We have a And the respectful of anons here, of NIMS. That's that's another feature. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Honestly, I mean, the the NIMS stuff is really interesting. There's a whole I I don't know if I did this bit on your show when I came on, but I think the the NIMS non stuff is very, pronouns to me. So Yeah. I agree. Like, when I meet, like, a trans person, maybe they pass, maybe they don't, I will respect the pronouns that I that they give me. Right? Right. Sometimes I might fuck it up. I don't mean to. Right? I'm trying to be nice about it. Right. But if you're gonna be a dick to me about it, it's like, fuck you, bro. Don't weaponize whatever. I've had the same exact experience with the non's where it's like, bro, I'm just trying to be out to dinner with you. Can you, like, not be like, no one actually gives a fuck who you are at all. I am respecting your pronouns right now. I'm respecting that you think you're, like, so important and need to hide your face and need to make sure no one ever fucking sees you. But, like,

1:01:50Rod Palmer Jesus. You've been out

1:01:52Erin Redwing getting some Applebee's and somebody's still wearing, like, the baklava or whatever. Or someone takes a photo and they're, like, they flag them down. They're, like, delete that photo. I'm in the corner of it. It's like, bro, you're not the subject of the photo. Like Wow. Relax. That's true. It's it it could be very sensitive.

1:02:09Rod Palmer There there's a lot of parallels with Bitcoin maximalism and and the woke culture for sure. For sure. Especially with the knots guys, and it's what identifies the spam, what identifies as a monetary transact. It's all very Bitcoin's supposed to be about, like, hard consensus rules, constraints, objective, things like that. It's you start getting into this abstraction. It's fine. It's interesting for some people, but it's a little crazy to, you know, make that your personality.

1:02:42Erin Redwing Yeah. I think that we're just headed into a very, like, reality fractured polarized world in general. Right. You just have to accept or at least I found that I've had to accept that some people have a completely different idea of what's important and what is real. Right. And, I think a lot of people cause themselves unnecessary suffering for their ideals, like the knots guys are a great example of this. Right.

1:03:08Rod Palmer A lot of people really expected to be marked. They expected to be, you know, oppressed for using Bitcoin, and it didn't come. And so they're trying to make up reasons why it they're still badass for, you know

1:03:25Erin Redwing you know, sending a SegWit transaction. That's such a great point. You're totally right. It's like, it's like a covert narcissism. Right. You know what I mean? It's like it's like you wanna be, like, the the underdog or the hero or, like, the John McAfee, whatever type of thing. You know? And that didn't. Instead, we have JD Vance giving the opening remarks tomorrow.

1:03:44Rod Palmer Exactly. Because they were too afraid to be bold and make bold predictions and stand behind them, now they kinda have to hope that they can create this martyrdom around themselves so they can still be highly regarded without ever risking being retarded.

1:04:03Erin Redwing Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, maybe it's just a strong commitment to being highly retarded.

1:04:09Rod Palmer You know? They really need Like shinobi. Like shinobi. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. It it's crazy. It's, you can't have you can't have one without the other.

1:04:19Erin Redwing Yeah.

1:04:20Rod Palmer You can't be right and a martyr at the same time. Maybe in in the future, but not at the same time. Yeah. They crucified Jesus. I mean, come on. Right. You know? Well, he doesn't he he doesn't believe in Jesus. Right. He's, you know I don't dispute the historical rhetoric. What's that? I don't dispute the historical. Alright. Alright. There you go. Sure. You don't. Sure. You don't. But you don't but you do dispute the significance of that historical record.

1:04:46Erin Redwing Well, there's no doubt it, like, changed the world. Right?

1:04:51Rod Palmer We're just giving fundamentals a hard time for being a Jew. That's all. You guys like to do that? Yeah. Yeah.

1:05:00Erin Redwing Well, this is great. What's, What other questions do you have? Like, I'm just so curious. What's your,

1:05:05Rod Palmer Well, I've been learning a lot about this stuff, over the past few years, and I just it took maybe to come to one of these events in person for me to care. Like, I've I've never been against it, but I just haven't been excited to get on and and inscribe anything myself. But we are going to, well, what whatever. They're gonna get pissed on us. We're gonna do we're gonna do a bugle,

1:05:31Rod Palmer inscription. We just don't know exactly how we're gonna do it.

1:05:35Erin Redwing PodConf is gonna, like, detonate the best over that, I think.

1:05:39Rod Palmer Yeah. Yeah. They're they're free. But, PodConf has its own compliance token. So they're hypocrites. We've already talked about the hypocrites on the live stream, but yeah. They're they're hypocrites.

1:05:49Erin Redwing Yeah. No. There's lots of people here that can help you inscribe. If you have creative ideas, they can help you workshop them. They understand the constraints of fitting all of that arbitrary data into a single Bitcoin transaction. Well, the user experience is great. Experts. You know? These people understand. They're they're shoving as much spam and data as possible on the Bitcoin. The

1:06:08Rod Palmer the the user experience from, like, when you were able to start inscribing ordinals, are you to to now, the user experience journey was so fast. Now you can just go online, vote a wallet, boom, and scribe. It's done. It took it took their the Maxis over a decade to get user experience

1:06:28Rod Palmer this streamlined.

1:06:29Erin Redwing Yeah. I mean, honestly, a lot of them came from Stacks, the ordinals people. That's right. That So Stacks has always had good UI. Because they're VC you know, it's like VC crypto world stuff. Right? So, a lot of the ordinals people that have built a lot of the really good UI are are stacks or ICP people who came to Bitcoin. Or can't you know, whatever they would say they never left, but you know what I mean? Well, yeah. I

1:06:53Rod Palmer stacks has always been cringed to me. I I don't I think ordinals can be kinda cool, but stacks is always cringed to me. Yeah. I just think it's, it's it's interesting because it was just the contingency

1:07:02Erin Redwing of crypto world that was closest to Bitcoin in a way. Yeah. You know what I mean? And as I said, they would say they're still on Bitcoin. I would not say that. But, like, you know, for them, it's like they're keeping up with Bitcoin news, and so they see, oh, NFTs on Bitcoin, like, this would be huge. And so they're quick to jump on it. At least Casey Ordinals and the everybody that came after that, at least they were

1:07:23Rod Palmer bold enough to say, no. We're doing this directly on chain. Now we're gonna do our our drive chain thing. That's okay. I just want Yeah. Hi. How are you? Richard's back. Howdy.

1:07:34Erin Redwing Hey.

1:07:35Richard Greaser You kept them running away from me. I kept on trying to say hi. Bro, I have been going from

1:07:41Erin Redwing fire to fire to fire. I came over here as soon as I had free time. I said, where where's the bugle? I wanna go see the bugle and go rip on the pot for a bit. Great great to have you sitting down. I I was just smoking cigarettes outside. I can tell. I can tell. Yeah.

1:07:57Richard Greaser It's my perfume. Yeah. Absolutely.

1:07:60Erin Redwing How what do you think of the conference? What's your impression? Of this one? Yeah.

1:08:04Richard Greaser Well, it's I we were talking about it earlier. I covered all the the no TSA agents, things like that. Right. Yeah. It's it's strange to walk into a Bitcoin conference where people are excited about using Bitcoin. I know.

1:08:18Erin Redwing They want to spend their Bitcoin. Yeah. They're like, please give me a reason to send you Bitcoin. Yep. Yeah. Well, I mean, when with the first conversation I had is a guy

1:08:27Richard Greaser that had a wallet, he was showing me how his wallet worked. It it allows you to scan your Bitcoin wallet for ordinals and kinda see what's going on with it. That was the first conversation I had with somebody, was somebody discussing using Bitcoin? Mhmm. No discussion of price, no discussion of micro strategy, of paper Bitcoin, of, I don't I don't know. Like, it it felt good to me.

1:08:56Richard Greaser It was a little, like, jarring. You know what I mean? Totally. Culture shock. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's I think ordinals gave this,

1:09:04Erin Redwing it's like a low hanging fruit for having fun on Bitcoin. You know what I mean? Like, I think what is there to do on, you know, you can you can set up your DCA with swamp. Right? That's something you can do on Bitcoin. And many do, and many love that. And that's really their that's their connection to Bitcoin, ultimately. You're right. But it's it's nice to have something that's low stakes. Like, you're just sending a couple sats around potentially, or you're just, like, paying the fees to add the data into a transaction. You get this little Pepe or whatever. Like You don't need a bank account to start. Right? No. You don't need to KYC

1:09:35Rod Palmer to start. Very I

1:09:37Erin Redwing actually will say, KYC stuff, people are very serious about here. That's definitely yeah. People are not, like, across the street. Yeah. Yeah. No. K y there's no people don't use, you know, major exchanges, don't support, tokens on Bitcoin yet. Kraken is supposedly listing runes in the next month or something. But, so far, the only way that you can actually trade ordinals, runes, inscriptions, whatever, is through, like, literal decentralized marketplaces. Like, you can't go on Coinbase or Kraken or whatever. So there is no KYC option.

1:10:08Rod Palmer What what is your opinion on runes? Because I saw the other day that they're calling June. It's gonna be ruined June. Right. But it sounds to me like they're gonna ruin June. Yeah. If you do that. I What do you think about runes?

1:10:20Erin Redwing So I don't like tokens. I mean, no surprise, I guess, but I find tokens to be pretty boring. You can watch the number go up. I mean, it's kinda like what I'm saying about Bitcoin. Right? It's Pungible's kinda boring. Yeah. There's not that much. There's no identity to it. There's no personal taste. It's like you just have a certain amount. Right? It's the NPC of ordinals. Yes. Yeah. And and but, of course, people love Ponzis, and they love feeling like there's a beginning of a Ponzi. So, I think token like meme coins, tokenomics, all that kind of stuff. It's very enticing to people. But I I think it's ultimately extremely boring.

1:10:58Erin Redwing I don't know. People should be able to do whatever they want with their Bitcoin,

1:11:01Rod Palmer but it's just not as good as like a really dank beautiful Pepe. You know what I mean? That like makes me feel something. Yeah. There's nothing like that. A dang beautiful Pepe could bring you to tears. Bruin Yeah. I don't know if Arun's gonna bring you to tears in a good way, maybe in a bad way. Maybe if you have to pay for a transaction fees. Yeah. When when the valuation of your rune goes to zero, then you'll be brought to tears. Exactly.

1:11:24Erin Redwing Exactly. So, yeah, I'm not really a token person, but, of course, you know, to reach their own.

1:11:30Richard Greaser So, yeah. How do you how do you feel about this event? It seems like it's going well. It seems like there's a lot of people here. It's a really cool venue.

1:11:37Erin Redwing It's good. I mean, so we're so we did inscribing Nashville for last year's Bitcoin conference, and we have four no. Three and a half times the size, like, attendee wise for this event. Wow. So, I'm really happy about that. A lot of that honestly is because the main Bitcoin conference sold a lot of tickets for us and, like, very much, like, embraced us and marketed us a lot. I think, Bitcoin conference and Bitcoin magazine, as much as Maxi's wanna call them shitcoiners, they are pretty hard lined about what they will and won't accept. They like feds, but they don't like Right. A token, for example. Right? So, the nice thing about, I think, for them is that, like, they can get a little bit of indirect exposure to some of the more shit coin crypto stuff through us, you know, but they don't have to take the heat for it. So they really helped us out a lot, honestly. Like, they really embrace our event and, brought a lot of their ticket holders here. So,

1:12:31Erin Redwing that was definitely a big thing. The other thing, this venue is just fucking great. It, like, turned out awesome. And yeah. I don't know. I mean, it's a bummer that we only got JD Vance. We didn't get Trump. Like, I'm not quite as last year, seeing Trump, like, a week after he got shot, like, that was the the highlight. Like, obviously, I had my own event that was cool, but it it felt like that was the highlight. This time around, I'm like, no. No. My event's the highlight. I don't even care who's speaking at the main conference, you know? That's true. Yeah.

1:13:02Rod Palmer So

1:13:03Erin Redwing yeah. But it's, it's good. I don't know. I mean, I love ordinals people. I think, like, they they're Bitcoiners that, like, aren't obnoxious cult people. Yeah.

1:13:15Richard Greaser I was surprised. I mean, one of the reasons why I was interested coming here is to to see if there would be any protests.

1:13:22Erin Redwing No. You're probably the closest thing. Where where has just stopped ordinals gone? Where do they go? They don't show up in person at all. Yeah. They don't at all. It's kinda crazy. You know, the thing is the most obstinate, I I've never interacted with, mechanic. I've never interacted with Luke Junior. All these guys have me blocked for some reason. I've never responded to them or anything. They just blocked me out of principle, I guess.

1:13:45Richard Greaser I I think it's because they don't they don't respect astrology.

1:13:49Erin Redwing Yeah. That's probably why they blocked me. They were like, listen. The ordinals was one thing, but going into Bitcoin astrology was another level. But, I'm not there, like, the extreme extreme, like, ocean mining guys, but I've met a lot of people that have been very antagonistic to ordinals online. And then you talk to them in person and they're like, oh, actually, like, I don't know. I was just kinda told to say that or that's what my friends think. Like, I guess I just don't really care. You guys did the same thing. You're like, well, I actually just didn't even care about this. Right. I'm like, okay. Well, like, most people don't care about Bitcoin. Like Right. You You know? But people are afraid of getting banned from a a popular group chat, and Viking ordinals could get you banned from group chats. Right. Yeah. Well, you you know, either the reason why I got interested in

1:14:32Richard Greaser ordinals, personally, was I I'm always open to exploring more ways to fail the purity test.

1:14:39Erin Redwing Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we're all sinners at the end of the day. You can ask for forgiveness and you can, you know, you can aspire for better, but at the end of the day, there is no escaping that quintessential human fact. So, you know, I think it gives you a sense of humility in that way. If you're like an ordinal shit coiner, like, what what's the phrase, like, let he who hath not sinned throw the first stone? Yeah. You know? It's, it's Christ like in a way. I said I tweeted the other day. He who has never been accused of shit coining broadcast the firststone.jpg. Absolutely.

1:15:15Rod Palmer Absolutely. The turning point for me was when and we talked about this, when Trump had his first ordinals collection. Once Trump may if Trump's not afraid to get canceled, like, a lot of people will follow. And I I was one of those. When Trump put the ordinal on there or the inscription on collection on there, I didn't it's a turning tablet. Have fun with your Bitcoin and your crypto and whatever else you're playing around with. He was talking about inscriptions. Have fun with your Bitcoin. Not just spend it. Have fun with them. Absolutely. Unfortunately, I I've, like, neglected my event for too long. No. I have to go back to this. Like the speakers are going on stage and all of that. But I wanted to, you know, I wanted to get something for the forty hours per week,

1:15:55Erin Redwing audience. I think you guys are an important part of the Bitcoin ecosystem just like ordinals people are an important part of the Bitcoin ecosystem. So Yeah. And if you're trying to get forty hours per week, make sure you listen to how money pod. It it really slaps, actually.

1:16:08Richard Greaser It it don't have a lot of entropy in your forty hours. That's for sure. That's for sure. That's for fucking sure. Oh, really, thank you for coming on, and, thank you for the opportunity to be here. Totally. Totally. Yeah. You should wrangle people into talking to you, honestly. Yeah. I think that's what yeah. What we'll do next. Yeah. Go for it. I can send some weirdos over your way. Yeah. Do. I was out smoking, cigarettes with, Reardon and, Post Capone.

1:16:32Erin Redwing Yep. I made sure to call him a fed. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. I love to hear it. Alright. Well, I'll see you guys later. Alright. Yeah. Alright. Thank you so much. Bye, guys, on the Internet wherever you are. Alright. We're

1:16:47Richard Greaser okay. I'll let you guys see. I just really wanted to come on a pod. Oh, yeah. You're always welcome. You're always welcome. Alright. Catch you later. Alrighty. Let me fiddle with this. I I think we should look at what's going on in zap.stream. So, well, that's

1:17:07Richard Greaser a that's an interesting thing to, come back from to from Rod is, to come back from my smoke break and and see Erin Redwing. She she was, she's running away from me all day.

1:17:22Rod Palmer Yeah. Yeah. She, we just I was just sitting here with fundamentals. We're just talking, you know, Bitcoin podcast stuff. And she came right over and she sat down. I think I think she she didn't like the cigarette smell. I don't think she likes your clone. Maybe that was it. Yeah. I don't know.

1:17:39Richard Greaser Alright. Well, we get a lot of ZapStream comments.

1:17:43Rod Palmer Looks like some of them are dumb, some of them are good. Have you been reading these at all? No. No. I was, I was neglecting the zap. Stream because there was a hot chick on our stream, so I was paying attention to her. Yeah. Yeah. She takes priority. Totally. 100%. I mean, that's just how life works. You always you always prioritize the hot chick. We gotta win all of this hot zap for Oh, yeah. For 420 sets from South Side. Looks like that was South Side, Dave. You know, pickle Dan says if you wanna be a non, don't go to conferences. Yeah. So forty hours per week, yeah, BTC on board. One of our best, boosters

1:18:19Rod Palmer on, fountain.

1:18:20Richard Greaser Keep note Let's let's go through each one of these in in talks. So we got fundamentals of man. I I I think that's an objective reality that that people respect and know. It's good having him here. It's always good hanging out with him, getting his opinions on things. I mean, it's just you know, the the opportunities to spend time with people in person that are on the intellectual cell phone are too rare. Yeah. They're

1:18:50Rod Palmer they're rarer than most, you know, people here really love rare sats, but we love those rare moments where we get to really all hang out together. And, being with fundamentals, Shadrach, which is, one of the booths. Shadrach jumped in here for a few seconds. Nice. It's just it's great to hang out with those guys. It's that's why that's that's one of the only reasons I came to, you know, to the surveillance conference this year. Yeah.

1:19:16Richard Greaser Looks like Mark sent a do I click the link he sent? That seems like it's a risky thing to do. It's just an image flip link, so it should be alright. Alright. Touch grass, sun your balls. And it's got a picture of a, alligator, I think, with, like, a egg on its back or something.

1:19:41Rod Palmer Oh, yeah. Or some kind of little, like, furry creature. Yeah.

1:19:47Richard Greaser Vegas just doesn't seem like the I I mean, are there any nudist, suntan in locations out here?

1:19:54Rod Palmer Well, I mean, once you get out into the desert, you know, there's there's a lot of federal state land, a lot of just open land. You can kinda lay on your back, get you get the sun, the warmth on your back, and the sun on your balls. And, I mean, I there was just some studies that came out. I think it was last week. They kinda confirmed the whole sun, your balls thesis. It it raised your, you know, vitamin d levels, testosterone levels, and people who tan their balls, directly in the sun. They saw a lot of health benefits from it. Oh, yeah.

1:20:26Richard Greaser That's awesome. Bread and toast. If you wanna support art in the Bitcoin world and ostrich, check out bread and toast. Bread and toast comment. Where where where do you check out bread and toast? Do you Google it?

1:20:46Richard Greaser Do you, go to your local library and ask the librarian to check out bread and toast? I don't think she'll understand that. Do you go on Noster? Do you go on Twitter? Do you go on Telegram? Yeah. Where where do you check out Brad and his house? I mean, I wanna check it out. I just don't know where. You gotta let us know where. A non zap $4.20 cents. Lin Alden is hot. Rod, do you know when Lynn Alden's, keynote is

1:21:17Richard Greaser at the conference?

1:21:18Rod Palmer I don't. It's I know it's not today, but, I don't know the time. It's either at, like, what, 04:00 tomorrow or on Thursday. I haven't gotten the agenda yet.

1:21:30Richard Greaser Unfortunately, tomorrow, I I don't think I'll be at the conference at all because they're gonna be working on setting up our event. I don't know if you're gonna go over there or not. But, Oh, no. Yeah. I'm gonna be at the event as well. Yeah. I hope it's on Thursday because it would be really fun to maybe make some signs that say, Lyn Alden is hot. Wave them around in the back. Show our support for her. Because that's this is a really this is a monumental moment at the conference. This is the first time that Lynn has had her keynote spot. Right. She has deserved her keynote spot.

1:22:07Rod Palmer Yeah. And and we have some really, really nice, Lin Alden is hot, T shirts for sale and orange label. And they've been up there for, you know, a month or two now. I mean, I'm curious to see people who bought those shirts, they're gonna be wearing them to the keynote or just wearing them around the conference in general.

1:22:26Richard Greaser Yeah. I brought some to, sell at our event. Yeah. Nice. So it

1:22:32Rod Palmer I don't know the schedule yet, but, hopefully, Lynn is speaking. Her doing her keynote on Thursday so people can buy the T shirts at the event and wear them to show their support for her, you know, when she's on stage. Totally.

1:22:46Richard Greaser Next boost from, Mark. Looks like some emojis. I don't know if the emojis are in his name. Looks like they're in his name. Just 21 stats. Yeah. Pickle Dan back again. If you wanna be anonymous, then don't show up to the Bitcoin conference. Yeah. I think that's some pretty good advice.

1:23:05Rod Palmer Yeah. You could take steps to preserve your your NIM status or just, you know, don't let people see your face, but, ultimately, you gotta be very, very, very careful. You can't let your guard down. And if if it's really important to you to maintain your privacy, I would stay away altogether.

1:23:23Richard Greaser Well, yeah. I mean, like, what are you gonna do? Ride your ride on a horse across town, or across the country to to go to the conference? Because, you know, you got through TSA. They're gonna have your name. They, they,

1:23:38Rod Palmer Yeah. Your your hotel your hotel is gonna have you know, most people are paying for their hotel with a credit card. You know, your unless you have GrapheneOS, we're probably gonna leak some personal data to the towers around here or, you know, at least you're gonna get on Wi Fi. It's it's there's just a lot of, of ground you have to cover and keep covered. It's and a lot of people just aren't ready to

1:24:03Rod Palmer Vegas is overwhelming. There's a lot of lights. There's a lot of hot chicks. There's a lot just a lot going on. It's hard to focus on your privacy and all of that at the same time.

1:24:13Richard Greaser So, yeah. On that topic, this is are the the Amish the best at Bitcoin privacy or just privacy in general?

1:24:26Rod Palmer It I guess that that's a good question. I've never thought about that before. I I would assume so. I know they're all using paper wallets. They they never they they're never actually transacting

1:24:41Rod Palmer over, you know, somebody's public Wi Fi or something dangerous like that. They're very, very careful, but it's it's second nature to them. It's just built into their culture. It's built into their lifestyle. They don't expose themselves to these security risks by, you know, by design, and that really protects that, privacy and identity.

1:25:02Richard Greaser Yeah. I got a lot of respect for the Amish. I mean, like, in many ways, I'm kinda like the Amish. Are you like Right. They don't they don't have driver's licenses. They just ride around on horse and buggies. So if they are tempted or during

1:25:15Rod Palmer rumspringa, they want to go KYC and get some Bitcoin on Coinbase, they can't do that because they can't even KYC.

1:25:23Richard Greaser Yeah. I mean, they they never KYC for their cigarettes. Right. They they never pay taxes on their cigarettes. They they're they are I think Bitcoiners it's I think it's a good idea to aspire to be, like, an honest person for sure. Yeah. It may be hard to get over the goofy haircuts,

1:25:43Rod Palmer the neck beard. A lot a lot of be Bitcoiners have neck beard, so it's not that hard for them. But the goofy clothes, you can't wear Bitcoin podcast T shirts if you're Amish. But and, you know, it's here's here's the worst part about being a Amish person. It's it's very difficult to listen to forty hours of Bitcoin podcast per week. There's very few ways. They basically have to rely on on cassette tapes with, Bitcoin podcast recorded on them. They can't listen to you can't stream it on fountain. They can't have Bose nose canceling headphones.

1:26:18Rod Palmer But they all you know, they don't have as many other distractions, so they could still figure out ways.

1:26:24Richard Greaser Yeah. Yeah. I guess it is a challenge for the Amish to, figure out how to listen to Bitcoin podcast.

1:26:35Rod Palmer Speaking of, you know, the Amish or, you know, similar to the Amish, somebody goes, Mark, boost us again on Zapster. Have you visited the Noster Lounge yet? Not yet. I have not. Have you been there? I don't know what the Nostril Lounge is. Is that where is the Nostril Lounge the same place as Nostril Vegas where that's gonna be?

1:26:59Richard Greaser I I think so. I I think yeah. It's probably the booth at, at the conference.

1:27:09Rod Palmer Interesting. It's, those booths at the conference are not cheap. I'm wondering, you know, not the Napster app to Jack Dorsey, he's the CEO of Napster. Did he, did he pay for that for those guys?

1:27:22Richard Greaser Well, I I think what a lot of these guys do, you know, and and why they're against the idea of spending Bitcoin is they want you to huddle your Bitcoin so that you can afford to pay the, the conference booth price. You know what I mean? Like, they're like, you shouldn't be buying cigarettes throughout the year. You should be

1:27:43Richard Greaser for the booth at the conference.

1:27:47Rod Palmer Well, you know, it these conferences, these in person XPEL, we have the intellectual Silk Road, the Nostra guys. They have their own group chat clubs. And it is it is the highest signal and the most important to be together in person. So HODLing your Bitcoins so you can afford a Nostra lounge at the conference so all the all the end pubs can come and gather. That is that is,

1:28:13Rod Palmer your priorities are in the right place for sure. Totally.

1:28:17Richard Greaser Where did we leave off on the the boost? It looks like we Oster Lounge. Oster Lounge.

1:28:26Rod Palmer The next one, is Oh, there we go. From UTC onboard, which I already mentioned briefly earlier. It's hashtag forty hours per week. Thank you again. BTC onboard. Bit by bit. Big, big fan of the bugle on Nostr, hit us with a fire emoji. Mark sent us another picture. Do you wanna click on Mark's? Last was the, you know, go outside, touch grass, alligator

1:28:54Rod Palmer with the white thing on the back. This one says, the pickling.

1:28:58Richard Greaser Hashtag keep nostril weird. Bitcoin all time online.

1:29:02Rod Palmer Yeah. It was his net, the next boost is from Mark as well, and that was the hashtag. Keep Noster weird. And then we got another image from bit by bit. What's the, what's the image? Can you pull that up?

1:29:14Richard Greaser It is a looks like a sad Pepe smoking a cigarette.

1:29:19Rod Palmer Oh, so that was you know, I assume that was in, response to Aaron talking about a beautiful Pepe NFT or a beautiful Pepe picture, and I you know, sometimes a Pepe picture can make you cry, and that doesn't make you gay.

1:29:37Richard Greaser And Pub, fifteen s s y three four one. That's BTC onboarding. BTC onboard. So that's weird. So I get from the Zapdos Dream dashboard, it it looks like I can't see people's names that well, and then you're on a

1:29:54Rod Palmer a different device, and you just That's a perfect, the perfect boost or the perfect zap then for, this u user experience degradation issue. B two c onboard says the revolution will not have good UX. Took me three minutes to figure out how to zap.

1:30:12Richard Greaser Oh, yeah. I mean, that that's that's impressive. Like, it it took me, like, six months to figure out how to use that dot stream. I figured it out, like, midstream. I got I got it rolling midstream.

1:30:31Rod Palmer Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it is cool. If if they can get the user experience fixed a little bit, zap.stream is it it it's pretty tight for I mean, listen. It's hard to build anything on lightning that works, and zap dot stream, it mostly works.

1:30:47Richard Greaser Well, I'm happy with it now that we're up and running. I I I think the the important thing that I was worried about is making sure that we're streaming tomorrow's event tomorrow.

1:30:57Rod Palmer Yeah. That's important. That's huge. Yeah.

1:30:59Richard Greaser And I I think we're I think we're there. I think we'll have it figured out. I'm excited about that. So the the Zapdos stream guys that are watching this, you're you're gonna be able to watch, or event in Vegas, sanitize the system. It won't be as cool as being there and shaking our hands and smoke a cigarettes with us or but it'll still be pretty cool.

1:31:25Rod Palmer So definitely make sure to check it out. Yeah. It's the next best thing. Yeah. Next best thing.

1:31:32Richard Greaser Mark says, stay humble, stack stats, no shit. And then, like, a little image of the hand like this. We just need to define what shit is. And and I think, I think we're all all shitcoiners in the eyes of the Lord. We all fall short. We all shitcoin in our own ways. Now

1:31:55Richard Greaser the discussion is, what is immoral when it comes to Bitcoin in? Like, what what what are we what what are we gonna accept? Are we gonna accept, people accepting Monero?

1:32:12Richard Greaser Are we gonna accept people using Bitcoin and putting pictures on it? I think it it kinda it kinda matters on what the what the intent of the shit coining is. Are we gonna accept, people, buying cigarettes with their debit cards? Or, you know, here in about six months, buying cigarettes with, USDT? You know, what what are the lines on shit coining, that we're gonna are we gonna accept

1:32:39Richard Greaser Corey Clipston partnering with Tether on Tron? And they're getting rug pulled. Are we gonna accept what what are the lines? Where is the line on shit coining

1:32:53Richard Greaser of what people are gonna accept and what they're not going to accept? I think that needs to be clearly defined. And I I would argue at the end of the day that, you know, trying to mislead people and swindle them

1:33:15Richard Greaser is is kind of the line.

1:33:17Rod Palmer Right. Right. If you buy one of these inscriptions or if you're just experimenting with them or you're just curious you just think it's interesting and you're interacting with it and you're using Bitcoin. One of the things that people talk about a lot about whether they're pro or anti ordinals is that they are good for minors. So, a,

1:33:41Rod Palmer I would say that if you're gonna use or interact with this, that it is in a way that is good for minors. It helps paying their fees. It's helping to incentivize security of the protocol. Second, if the if the art that you're putting on Bitcoin, if you it doesn't good is subjective.

1:34:00Rod Palmer Beauty is often subjective, but the effort is not. You you either put genuine authentic effort into your dick butt, into your Pepe frog, into your wiz whatever it is, it doesn't matter. Putting effort into it and and and putting your soul and your heart into it, that's but that's in that's between you and God. So it's I I can't judge it. I can I could call out something that I think looks low effort that I think looks like it was AI slop, lazily,

1:34:33Rod Palmer put on chain to to rug pull a noob? But I don't know. It's it's very difficult. I am not a cop. I don't have credentials in law enforcement. So it's I'm staying away from that. I'm not a time chain police.

1:34:44Richard Greaser But Have you ever have you yeah. Have you ever considered joining the time chain police?

1:34:48Rod Palmer It's a dangerous job. I don't know. I don't know if I have the constitution to to deal with the dangers and the risk that comes with law enforcement on chain or off,

1:35:00Richard Greaser honestly. Yeah. That was one of the disappointing things about, you know, Kaylee

1:35:05Rod Palmer did not come out here because she was she felt too obligated to be policing the time chain. It was a bummer. Yeah. She Kaylee really wanted to be here. She wanted to hang out with Shadrach fundamentals, some of you guys that are gonna be here at Satterize. She wanted to smoke cigarettes. She was good. She she told us that she would, drive us drunk. She would shuttle us back and forth from Fremont Street to the conference and that she'd do that for others as well. But, at the end of the day, it was just too overwhelming to police the time chain

1:35:36Rod Palmer to go after ship corners. Had where is she gonna her Jeep only has a couple of seats. How's she gonna drop these people off at the county jail? It was the logistics were just too difficult. It's overwhelming. She decided to stay home.

1:35:49Richard Greaser Pretty cold.

1:35:50Rod Palmer Yeah. So she's driving drunk around Nashville right now, not Vegas, unfortunately. Yeah.

1:35:59Richard Greaser I mean, I I kinda reject, predator's, view on shitcoin personally. I think Yeah. I think, you know, people like predator. They're kinda like the Pharisees in the bible. You know what I mean? That's a great I yeah. I like that example a lot, actually. I thought about that before. Yeah. Yeah. It it's,

1:36:16Rod Palmer you know, again, predator is very judgmental. He is he's always analyzing people's behavior. He's calling out scams. And, you know, he gets a lot of them right. He does. You can't say that predator misses all the time because he doesn't. He misses he over accuses more than under accuses. But

1:36:38Rod Palmer there is he he he's not he doesn't come to the conference. He doesn't build anything. He doesn't have a product. He doesn't have a podcast. He doesn't have any con there's no way for us to hold him accountable for the purity tests that he fails for every everybody fails predator's purity test, but we don't know if predator fails predator's purity test because he doesn't publish the results. Yep.

1:37:05Richard Greaser That's a good point. I mean, he well, in the in the theological world, what you would describe him is being legalistic. And I think when when we're discussing that point Litigious. Yes. Very litigious. Well, yeah. That's that's like the Jewish lawyer world. But in in theology, you call it being legalistic.

1:37:25Rod Palmer Okay.

1:37:27Richard Greaser And the reason why I think it's important to discuss Bitcoin in a kinda theological framing is because there's there's many, you know, branches of Bitcoin theology. They're they're or the hardcore maximalist. They're the people that believe in the, immaculate conception. There are the,

1:37:48Richard Greaser the paper Bitcoiners.

1:37:50Rod Palmer Paper Bitcoiners. The traders, like, the the degens who go, like, with James Wynn who is, like, 40 x, 100 x leverage. Yep. You've got, you've got the guys that that like to do the yield lending, the the yield junkies. You've got I mean, you've got the the people who the art on Bitcoin. Right? Like, the the inscribers where we're at right now, spanning Vegas. You have the spammers, the filters, the Nazis, the communist. And some of these overlap, and in some of these, it's hard to tell the difference, but it's it's very similar to, like, you know, the protestants, all the different denominations.

1:38:29Rod Palmer They've all they've got a lot of overlapping views, but then they where they disagree, they violently and very hardcore disagreements. It's can fracture communities. Yeah.

1:38:41Richard Greaser Yeah. There's many different sects of this, religion and, where where do you think we even fall into it? Where where are we at in all of this?

1:38:52Rod Palmer I consider myself to be kind of a nondenominational. Now in the Christian side, that usually means, like, the the pastor or the reverend is like a gay woman, but not not in our podcast sense. I just think that for me, it's it's it's about my personal relationship

1:39:12Rod Palmer with my wallet and my UTXOs. And I don't think that anybody else can kinda come in and interject themselves, in that in that, you know, that that relationship. And I think it's a very personal thing.

1:39:27Richard Greaser Yeah. I don't know if I would use the, nondenominational, framing. I mean, that that's a good one. I I the the reason why I wouldn't wanna do that is because the Christians have kinda ruined it, like you said. Maybe undenominational. Or there there's gonna be a new What about

1:39:50Rod Palmer what if you put it instead of the Christian framing, if you put it into the, like, Jewish framing? Okay. What kind of what kind of, what kind of Jew are you online or, you know, on chain?

1:40:03Richard Greaser I I would probably relate to being kind of like an agnostic secular Jew. Okay. Yeah.

1:40:09Rod Palmer That well, that's that's what that's kind of what the communist are. His history historically, the the not the secular, agnostic Jewish people kind of sided with the communist. Yeah.

1:40:27Richard Greaser Well, I I don't know. I mean, I would argue that shinobi is definitely religious. And, like, somebody's communist are very religious about, you know They wouldn't put it that way, though. They don't see it that way. Well, neither neither did the Nazis. Nazis, I don't think, like to be defined as being religious, but, you know, you gotta call it what it is at the end of the day. Yeah. I mean, it's hard to be a sell it if you're not religious. Yeah. I mean, I think I'm much more or less religious about Bitcoin as I am more religious about credentials, smoking cigarettes and and Ayn Rand. And and I see Bitcoin as a

1:41:07Rod Palmer Your religion is being able to buy non KYC cigarettes with Bitcoin. And practice journalism. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. Like, so that would be it. If you list if you read the bible, whatever, it it says many times that you will be you'll be known by your actions. And when you are you face judgment day, a flame will come down, and all of your works will be the only thing that are left standing. The things you said, the things you said you believed, your thoughts, like, not those will all perish in the flame. It'll only be your works that are left over.

1:41:40Rod Palmer And similarly, it doesn't matter what you say on Twitter. It doesn't matter how many per purity tests you apply and fail other people for. A thousand years from now, the only thing that will remain is did you use Bitcoin? And what is the record of that on chain? Did you buy cigarettes?

1:41:59Rod Palmer Did you use it? Did you build it? And if you don't have any activity that's recorded on chain, were you even a Bitcoin? There's no evidence of it because if, you know, the x servers go down and all your memes, they're gone. All your podcasts get erased. I mean, some people, you know, it's very difficult to find, like, Bitcoin uncensored. That's only a couple of years ago. Think about fifty years from now. Will there be any evidence at all that you were a part of this revolution?

1:42:29Richard Greaser Well, I think there's yeah. I mean, what what are some creative ways to do that? I mean, I think there'll probably be a point in the future where the cost of, hardware has gone down so significantly that you can, they're probably gonna raise the block size. And it's gonna be

1:42:48Richard Greaser it's gonna become more of a a database. I think people are gonna accept that as being more similar to Bitcoin becoming AWS because you can put so much arbitrary data on it and it costs so little. I mean, why why are, are, like, found it's gonna be hosting your RSS feed on the Bitcoin blockchain.

1:43:09Rod Palmer Right. Well We can have NASDAQ relays operating on on the Bitcoin blockchain. I don't I I don't like when people use the term arbitrary in the context of arbitrary data on Bitcoin because it's it's kind of a slur. Yeah. It it it's kind of, implying that the data is worthless. There's no value to it. But fundamentals and I were talking about this a little bit before Aaron showed up when you were outside. It's fundamentals to ask, you know, is one man's spam another man's monetary transaction? And I think one man's arbitrary data

1:43:45Rod Palmer is another man's, you know, it's the beginning of a collection. It seems arbitrary at first, but it with time, that arbitrary data coalesces into, a broader idea that that altered human behavior.

1:44:03Rod Palmer And so I think when you call it the people that is technically the right term, arbitrary data. But a database full of arbitrary data could be the most beautiful database ever built.

1:44:15Richard Greaser Well, you could argue that, that, Bitcoin monitor transactions is arbitrary data. I mean, isn't everything arbitrary data? Right.

1:44:24Rod Palmer If if if you were to take a lot of the people who say this and you were to show them the raw output of or used to be the raw, data that constructed the block, could they point out that's arbitrary, that's monetary? Some could,

1:44:41Rod Palmer but I don't think most could.

1:44:44Richard Greaser Well, I mean, isn't a on chain transaction considered arbitrary to the paper Bitcoin.

1:44:53Rod Palmer Right.

1:44:54Richard Greaser Right. I mean, say Sailor says to never spend your Bitcoin. He doesn't the only reason why anybody should be sending transactions is there's a lot of people questioning this about, Sailor.

1:45:08Rod Palmer How are you supposed to never if if you're never supposed to sell your Bitcoin, how are people supposed to buy it? Because people have to sell their Bitcoin. Exchanges have to sell Bitcoin to buyers. Yeah. There's I don't I you gotta think about this stuff before you talk sometimes, sailor. Yeah. You are you are the face of this industry, and you're telling people nobody else can ever have Bitcoin because nobody's allowed to sell it.

1:45:36Richard Greaser Yeah.

1:45:39Rod Palmer But, yeah, you're right. Arbitrary in the context or arbitrary relative to what?

1:45:47Richard Greaser You know? Yeah. I mean, who's the who's the arbitrator of what's arbitrary?

1:45:52Rod Palmer Yeah. Right. Who who whose job is it to taxonomize transactions? Whose job is it to identify this? Is it is it predator? Is it is it Luke? Is it mechanic? Is it Shinobi? Is it It wasn't too long ago that people thought a Segwit transaction was bad for Bitcoin. It wasn't too long ago that there well, there's still people that says that say lightning is, you know, not the right way or it's not the right monetary use. And dead tether comes along and says we're gonna put tether on lightning. Everybody's like, ah, we changed your mind. It's good.

1:46:23Richard Greaser Yeah. I mean, I I gave, Alex b, a high five, and and he should've got lightning saying that arc is better. I mean, it's, is lightning an arbitrary, when you're when you're spinning up channels? Is that arbitrary? Is that shitcoin? Is spinning up a lightning channel shitcoin?

1:46:42Rod Palmer It's using moon wallet shitcoin.

1:46:46Richard Greaser I mean, that's a crazy idea. Right. Which and or and is using a certain node implementation wallet shitcoin. Are you if you're using relay or Libra Relay instead of knots or or cores, that shit coin. Or if you're using,

1:47:04Richard Greaser you know what what what's that one? Bitcoin rust? The one that's, written rust? Yeah. Yeah. Rust Bitcoin. Rust Bitcoin. Is that shit coin? Is is is is your node implementation being written in something other than c plus plus

1:47:20Rod Palmer shitcoin? Is, using Ashigaru or samurai or coin joins, coin mixing, is that shitcoin? Yeah. Is, you know, what if you receive a, you know, a SAT or one of your UTXOs

1:47:36Rod Palmer was previously used for shitcoining? Are you do you do you have to burn that? Do you or did you carry any responsibility to cleanse that UTXO?

1:47:48Richard Greaser No.

1:47:50Rod Palmer The point is nobody has a hard and fast definition that can be verified over and over and over again every ten minutes to define and to prove out what that term shit coining means. Nobody has any of that for what a monetary transaction means, for what a, spam transaction means. People will say they do, but none of this has ever been litigated. None of this has ever been proven in the court of public opinion, the court of the, you know, any justice system, sovereign justice system. There

1:48:24Rod Palmer it's like saying I identify as whatever gender you want. Fine. But how are what there's no way to but you can expect everybody else to go with your definition.

1:48:41Richard Greaser Yeah. I mean, that's a good point. And these are the types of questions that I think are important to to ask because, you know, we don't wanna be like Mike Brock. We don't wanna be like That's right. Right. So I was explaining this to Mike Brock, and hopefully, I'll have the chance to explain it to him in person. He, you know, astutely pointed out one point in history where the majority of people were wrong. And that was when

1:49:12Richard Greaser the majority of the people of the world or or of Europe, you know, because that's where history kind of focuses on in The United States is European history. They believe that the world was flat, which I believe is false. Because I've done some research. I smoked a lot of cigarettes and and thought about it But to come to that conclusion. A long time ago,

1:49:37Rod Palmer if you're a regular person, it was very easy to believe that because that was what your senses, your perspective would would tell you. If somebody told you the world wasn't flat back then, the onus was on them to prove it. And somebody finally comes along and does prove it, and they use hard and fast, you know, mathematical proofs, in in these different verifiable,

1:50:04Rod Palmer methods that you could use anywhere in the world to, kind of demonstrate that the world was not, in fact, flat. But it takes time for those method. The user experience for determining whether the world's flat or not did not develop overnight. It developed over centuries, millennia, really.

1:50:25Richard Greaser Yeah. And and, like, who were the clergy that this it was the clergy and the royalty for the most part because most of the nations were monarchies back then Now we're dictating this, and and one of the things we have to understand is that today, the Bitcoin podcasters are the clergy.

1:50:44Richard Greaser And what happens when the majority of the clergy is wrong?

1:50:49Rod Palmer I would be I would caution against that label because, you know, my podcasters, similar to court devs, should be allowed to have sex. And clergy, you're not allowed to have sex.

1:51:03Richard Greaser Well, some some it depends on the denomination. Some clergy are able to have sex. The Catholics aren't able to have sex. The Protestants typically are able to have sex. Yeah. So Good point.

1:51:18Rod Palmer So, winding it back again. Casey just tuned in. We're at spanning Vegas, the ordinals inscription side event. It's over here at the Illuminarium. We're broadcasting live. We're from the cafeteria.

1:51:33Rod Palmer Continues to be the most popular, spot in this conference. But I think I know why now. I just looked through the little coupons that I received when I when I signed in. And if you if you come to Inscribing Vegas, you have a ticket. Even if it's GA, you get a complimentary lunch. So we are in the cafeteria. People are eating their complimentary lunch. They

1:51:60Rod Palmer some of these people have not left. They don't seem to be too interested in the panels or the, workshops, but they do like listening to us, because we're the only people in this part, at least this side of the conference who are live streaming or podcasting. So, yeah, that's why we're here. Erin Redwing, the organizer, was on with us earlier. So you if you just joined us, you can rewind the stream back and check that out. She had some pretty fun. So I I don't know if you were here for this, Richard, but Erin,

1:52:31Rod Palmer my favorite thing that she talked about, she piggybacked off of something, me and me and fundamentals were talking about. We talked about how people are very afraid of being called retarded. They're very, very afraid of being labeled a retard for anything they say that might step out of bounds or be bold or whatever. And Aaron was saying that astrologers

1:52:55Rod Palmer need to be more bold in their predictions because some French, astrologer who died I don't remember when she said he died, but he he predicted COVID and the fall of the Soviet Union down to the month that they would occur. And she said that there needs to be more bold predictions in astrology

1:53:15Rod Palmer and that in order for you to be regarded in history, you must not be afraid to be called retarded. And I think that is huge. And I think we're here today because we're not afraid to be called retarded. Everybody else is here today because they're not afraid to be called retarded. And,

1:53:32Rod Palmer that's the it it doesn't mean we're gonna be regarded in history, but it's this is where you have to start. The the journey to being a legend starts with a single step into the territory of where the risk of being called retarded,

1:53:49Rod Palmer not just by Shinobi, but by everybody, the risk is elevated.

1:53:56Richard Greaser I'm personally not afraid to become being called retarded.

1:53:60Rod Palmer At a certain point, you realize it doesn't mean anything. It doesn't hurt. It doesn't it doesn't mean you're retarded.

1:54:07Richard Greaser It just depends on who's calling you retarded. And if they're retarded.

1:54:12Rod Palmer Yeah. And if is it somebody who has a finite supply of retarded to call people, or is it somebody who's, you know, like, doge, just endless?

1:54:23Richard Greaser Yep. Well, you just completely knocked me off train because, I didn't realize that we had a complimentary launch.

1:54:34Rod Palmer Right. I I didn't I I just realized that too.

1:54:38Richard Greaser We also have a complimentary continuum, whatever that is. You know, it's just like when when when people hand you cards when when you go to these conferences, most of the time, the cards are just, like, lame. It's like some advertisement for a hardware wallet. Maybe it is a hardware wallet. Maybe it it's just stuff that you don't want. But,

1:54:59Richard Greaser I want launch. I don't know about you. Hell, yeah.

1:55:04Rod Palmer Maybe maybe this is, maybe this is a good point to end the livestream. We get some free lunch.

1:55:10Richard Greaser I think so too. Well, everybody, thank you, Fint, for watching.

1:55:18Rod Palmer Hold on. What we got some bad pipes coming in here. I don't know what this is, but somebody with the bagpipe, playing the bagpipes in a kilt just walked in the cafeteria. Again, the most popular part of this conference. I don't know if this is on the agenda or not.

1:56:04Rod Palmer Got a cool beard here.

1:56:06Richard Greaser Very, very interesting. Yeah. Well, what a way to what a way to kinda wrap up and end the stream.

1:56:20Rod Palmer Yeah.

1:56:22Richard Greaser Well, I've got some closing thoughts, Rod. Got some closing thoughts. This is good. It's been a fun week so far. So we've been hanging out with Maggie Morris. Unfortunately, she couldn't make it here today. She's working on some, some reports behind the scenes, but we'll, probably be streaming with her tomorrow. Get her on here. Wonderful seeing her. Wonderful seeing a bunch of people.

1:56:49Richard Greaser Hanging out with the 21 was great. We went to, a cool event last night with Mandrake. That was fun. Taking lots of hands, smoking lots of cigarettes.

1:57:02Rod Palmer Hung out with Barn Miner. Got to see, got to see a lot of yeah. Last night at the Mandrick event, unexpected celebrity guest appearance by Terrence Yang. He told us he does very much

1:57:17Rod Palmer miss, fight with Shinobi in spaces. Unfortunately, Shinobi is at the the, you know, the highest level of, you know, where, like, the Bilderbergers and, like, their associates decide what democracy means for the next year. In Oslo, for the freedom forum, he's not here, but, that would have been really, really nice to see that reunion. But, yeah, it's been a great week. If you're still on the fence about coming to satirize the system, well, if you're in Vegas,

1:57:46Rod Palmer get your ticket, making sure you make it. If you're not in Vegas, you still have time to buy a ticket. You don't have to go to the Bitcoin conference at all. You can just come to satirize the system, and it will be worth it. I guarantee it.

1:57:60Richard Greaser It'll definitely be worth it. It'll be like an event you've never been to to before, guaranteed. 100%. Yeah. Well, anyways, I wanna thank you everybody for tuning in to this, special edition of a live stream done by the bugle in person, in a cafeteria, ad spam in Vegas,

1:58:22Richard Greaser with, you know, some pretty cool drop ins from Shadrach, from, Aaron Redwing from fundamentals. And, we'll catch you at some point in the future. I guess we'll catch you tomorrow on tomorrow's stream. I don't think we're streaming at all tonight. But thank you everybody for tuning in. Thank you for those apps, and, have a good one.