1:38Stu TXO Yo.

1:39Rod Palmer Welcome folks to another edition of Behind the Podcast. Today, we have a shit coiner on Bitcoin joining us. Stu TXO. You know, the the the knots versus core debate is raging on.

1:59Rod Palmer All of us are getting tired of it, but then we get sucked backed into it. They just these guys, the Nazis, they are just feeding us dunks over and over again. And they know

2:14Rod Palmer they know that they can entice us back into it. We can't resist it. We can't resist the the easy engagement. Rod Palmer swore off fighting with Nazis forever. He only was sober from fighting for from Nazis for, like, what? Like, a week and a half, two weeks? Stood strong, maybe three. He's back at it. But, yeah. Stu, what's going on, dude? Are you joined being a shitcoiner on Bitcoin?

2:46Unknown It's great. Yeah. I love it.

2:48Stu TXO But, yeah, as you say, no no one can escape the the filter wall. Like, even Alex Speed, you know, he was saying he's gonna block or mute anyone on-site who talks about the filler wall, and then even he got roped into it. So there's no escape.

3:05Stu TXO I think this there's a, I think they've just trapped us in this slight cycle in, Bitcoin Twitter. But the paper Bitcoin has just got us, stuck in this loop of just talking about, filter filter swap endlessly. So we we can't escape.

3:26Richard Greaser You're blaming this, situation we're in on paper Bitcoiners? Is that what you're saying? Exactly. Yeah.

3:33Stu TXO They don't want the Bitcoin to us to to leave their, you know, their custodians. So they're trying to distract all the devs, the Bitcoin core devs, the mods devs, everyone. They just want us to be in our little bubble fighting for for eternity. Like, we can we can never escape, basically.

3:53Richard Greaser Well, is this so it makes me think you are, the for all intents and purposes, you're basically a core dev, work closely enough. And right now, you are probably not. You've put us a lot of really good memes.

4:10Richard Greaser You're active in the group chat You're not you must not be getting a lot of work done you must be because you you know, you're distracted by Plebslop and it almost seems like this is Michael Saylor's like he's funding the psy op to distract you from, you know, putting shit coins on Bitcoin or

4:32Richard Greaser forking software. Right? Like, you're too busy arguing with Plaid Slop. And

4:39Stu TXO Yeah. Yeah. I get that. I gotcha. I don't I don't do any work. I just I'm just on Twitter all day, every day. So They they say that this is such a pervasive problem. People are using

4:49Richard Greaser the other companies have bought them AI subscriptions to help them be more productive at work so they can pay their taxes. And people are using their work AI, subscriptions to make KlebsLab instead of get work done. And they always get any work done in the economy.

5:05Stu TXO Yeah. I mean, I think the this all started when, Sailor was, posting PEDSTOP nonstop, his AI, you know Yes. Tweets, back in the bear market. He was he's he's a he was a pioneer of the PEDSTOP, I think. And now everyone's kind of following his footsteps.

5:26Richard Greaser Yeah. He is, like, kinda like the grandfather of Pled Slop. And he's he's only stepped away. He stepped away. He stepped he's not the CEO of MicroStrategy anymore. He's just, you know, he's the chairman. He's, he's quiet. He doesn't even go on podcast. He just lets his Plebslop empire, the legacy continue.

5:46Stu TXO Yeah. I know. And he's, you know, he doesn't wanna he doesn't wanna fund the devs. He doesn't wanna do that. He just wants to he just wants to release his pep slot onto the world. Well, I I remember his, his presentation at Bitcoin Vegas. This is a twenty one twenty one steps of plot of, pep slot.

6:07Stu TXO So he's, yeah. We can't we can't take that. That's right. That's right.

6:13Richard Greaser That that was an excellent, listicle about Plebslop. You know, that's what I'd my love Plebslop listicles. I wish Buzzfeed would come back. But, what the there's a lot of different flavors of Plebslop and

6:31Richard Greaser one of them is what you were you're an alumni, I guess I don't know if you if you count as an alumni of Bitcoin University. You were expelled in your first semester. Can you talk about that experience? Like, what led you to think, hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna go continue my education and enroll at Bitcoin University. What drew you to that?

6:56Stu TXO Well, I see this, this Matthew cracker guy, gaining popularity on, on Twitter, posting his,

7:05Stu TXO very insightful YouTube videos of how to buy a start line, node for $700. So I was like, okay. Maybe I need to figure out why why should I buy this $700 node. So I obviously signed up for the $700 course,

7:22Stu TXO to figure out why why I need to buy this node. And, yeah, he he accepted me with open arms. Well, at first, he he accepted me to trader university, which I was kinda confused over. I didn't know what trader university was. Did you did you have to pass any standardized purity tests to to be eligible

7:44Richard Greaser to get in, like, the SATs or anything like that?

7:49Stu TXO I just had to show him my, like, seed phrase. That's what that was the requirement. He was he was very adamant about that. I have to show him a seed phrase. And then he he kinda let me in. That showed that I own Bitcoin. You know? I'm not like Peter Todd. I actually own Bitcoin. I'm a Bitcoiner. So they let me into the university. Yeah. That's that's where my journey began.

8:13Stu TXO That's where my my eyes were open to the the horrors of, Bitcoin University.

8:20Richard Greaser So before you got expelled, you, you weren't doing very well on your tasks. You've you failed one because you do as

8:32Richard Greaser basically a a pop quiz about Jameson Lop, and you didn't you didn't get you didn't pass?

8:39Stu TXO No. I didn't know he was an Ethereum shit corner. This is what I I didn't know that. I thought I thought he was a Bitcoin guy. But, apparently, Casa, they like Ethereum or something. And, yeah, that was I failed immediately. So, obviously, he was he was upset at me. And that I think that's the kind of we started on a bad foot from that.

9:02Rod Palmer So I think what people wanna know about is what is the university experience like? So, like, what was orientation like? What did you wear on your first day to school? Did your mom take a picture of you,

9:19Rod Palmer as you're getting ready to go to class? Were the girls there hot?

9:23Stu TXO Is this There's no there was no girls. There was no girls.

9:28Rod Palmer Okay.

9:30Richard Greaser Not us. Yeah. No. It's basically a university. BU is is like a co ed university. You know, co ed dorms, no co ed shit hours. There's no girls allowed. What? This is this is Bitcoin. There's no girls.

9:45Rod Palmer Well, do they you think there was ever any events with the sister school, Natalie Burnell's, course?

9:55Stu TXO I didn't get, I didn't make it that far. I I don't know. I think that maybe that was like you got to go socialize with gals, like, nearer the end of the course. But it was very much like a you're not you can't this is Bitcoin. You know? We there's we don't talk to gals.

10:11Rod Palmer So so what was the university experience like? Like, what what were the classes like? What was, the general environment like that you experienced?

10:21Stu TXO Well, there wasn't really many people around. I think they were more interested in, you know, lab slop that was happening elsewhere. But there was some some classes that, he himself, presented,

10:41Stu TXO mostly about how, you know, how to purify yourself if you've ever kind of spammed the chain with any kind of transaction before. He was very much adamant about don't you know, do not use Bitcoin. Bitcoin is just there, you know, for something that we can use to kind of promote ourselves. So it's like more of a don't use the chain kind of vibe.

11:03Richard Greaser Yeah. When we first started reporting about Professor Kurater, Bitcoin University did not even accept Bitcoin for payment for tuition. After some after some exposes, he does now accept I think he does accept it on the website. So,

11:24Richard Greaser it's so it that is a pattern. Right? There's a little bit sloppy, curriculum, a little bit sloppy standards. You described this, you know, the the student library, the study halls as virtually empty. Right? Like, the the other students were out, just staying out all night. They

11:44Richard Greaser were studying for their exams. They weren't, they were just, you know, watching the daily the daily, summaries. Did you get into any of the, you know, advanced classes or any of the advanced, curriculum at Creditor's,

12:00Richard Greaser libraries?

12:03Stu TXO Yeah. That was a very in-depth course about, CSAM, which I didn't really I didn't I didn't even know that term before. But he was very adamant that you joined the the the CSAM course. And, well, I I joined it, and it was, you know, it was it was very interesting. The they were talking about stuff that, you

12:26Stu TXO know, not many people normally discuss. But, apparently, it was very important that we learn about this topic. So it's just yeah. It was part of the curriculum.

12:38Richard Greaser Yeah. Everybody gets together and just talks about how much they hate child porn for no apropos of nothing. No catalyst, no class. Everybody just talks about how they're they commit not to ever look at or store CCM on blockchain.

12:55Stu TXO Exactly. Yeah. I was kinda confused. I was like, why why would you be doing that doing this with blockchain with Bitcoin? But he was, you know, very adamant that there's people out there. You know? There's miners out there. They're running all this this software. The I think you mentioned datum. People running datum, and they can, you know, they can commit anything they want to the Bitcoin network at any time. So that was kinda scary.

13:20Rod Palmer So do you think that's a a problem that the BitX creates, making it too easy for people to mine and submit their own block templates?

13:31Stu TXO Exactly. Yeah. Because, I mean, you can put if you're a bit axe operator, you can put anything you want in the chain. But it doesn't matter. Like, you forget about knots, forget about call. You're in control. You know? You can you can fill that block up with whatever you want. So, yeah, that's a good point. BitX is an attack on, on Bitcoin.

13:56Rod Palmer I think we all remember the day you were expelled very clearly. That was a shock to the system in a lot of ways.

14:05Stu TXO You know Yeah. I mean, this is my this is gonna be my life for a whole year. I didn't it's just I was ready to, you know, commit to the, to the mad, like, regime. But, yeah, yeah, he ended he ended me. So I think someone snitched on me. I don't know what happened. He thought I was, I was, a fake. I don't know.

14:32Richard Greaser It seems like some people have reported, like, being taken under Crater's arm. Right? He's like, he's like the guy from Whiplash. The just, like, really demanding, instructor. But he gets the best, absolute best, out of his students.

14:51Richard Greaser Yeah. No. He he really If they pay attention.

14:55Stu TXO Yeah. No. If you if you any misstep, you know, he knows your seed phrase so he can take your Bitcoin. So it's like you you have to be careful when you're operating on the on the, crater.

15:07Rod Palmer So tell us about the process of getting expelled. So you get called to the dean's office and explain the reason of your expulsion. Like, I it what what did what did it look like? What was the process of expulsion? And was there any appeals process

15:27Rod Palmer that you participated

15:28Stu TXO in or or what what No. No. I was just I was just cut off. But I don't know what happened. He just he was very angry at me, for my yeah. He apparently, he found some things I did in the past, which which he wasn't very happy about. And he just he was yeah. He was very, or not I wouldn't say violent, but he was, like, he has, like, an outburst, and he was, you know, he was very upset that I would even,

15:55Stu TXO you know, waste his time with with my presence. But, you know, that's just that's just how it goes.

16:04Rod Palmer What what do you think it was or what did he cite that you had done in the past that he was upset about?

16:11Stu TXO I think I used Bitcoin. That's that's what happened. I I was I I participated in the Bitcoin network. I used it to buy things, which they're very you know, they were against that kind of thing. I've and I did I was running a call a Bitcoin call node. So maybe that that he found out about that. I don't know.

16:39Stu TXO But, yeah, he just he just cut me off. But, thankfully, he he, he gave back my $700 subscription fee. So now I have some some Crater

16:57Stu TXO limited edition Crater SATs.

17:01Richard Greaser That's right, Dave. And did you yeah. What did you, what did you do with those SATs once he he sent them to you? You got your refund.

17:11Stu TXO Well, they're just I'm just they're just sitting there. They're weighing, you know? Maybe we'll do some maybe we'll do something with them. We can, you know, pray it.

17:22Richard Greaser Know the boo know the boobatoos on the, on his sats?

17:26Stu TXO Not yet. Not yet. Maybe maybe one day. I don't know. But, yeah, the craft of Sats are still they're still in my possession. So and they're from he sent them from Strike. So he didn't even use his own. This is the he doesn't use Bitcoin. He doesn't wanna use the Bitcoin chain. He doesn't wanna no data committed anywhere, but he needs to he he wants to use, you know, custody services only.

17:52Richard Greaser Maybe he uses KYC products and services like many others to keep themselves accountable. You know, what you should talk about. Like, he's not gonna use he's not gonna put CCM on Bitcoin on the KYC'd account. Right? Like, so he's, like, keeping himself accountable. Stay he's trying he's trying to avoid the thing he hates most.

18:12Stu TXO Yeah. Exactly. He wants people to know exactly what he's doing at all times so that he yeah. He doesn't accidentally do any CSAM, commits or anything. Yeah.

18:24Richard Greaser Yeah. Nobody would wanna accidentally do that. That would be terrible to accidentally do.

18:30Rod Palmer Well, one of the things that's strange is I I believe Strike uses a Bitcoin core node.

18:39Stu TXO I believe so. Yeah. Yeah. So he used Bitcoin core during this transaction.

18:48Rod Palmer I mean, how does that make you feel to to get that expulsion to to be dealing with this level of institutional, hypocrisy?

19:01Stu TXO Well, you know, at first, I was kinda upset. You know? This was gonna be my my life for a for a few years. But then I kinda landed landed on my feet. I I was learning about, this thing called ordinal theory,

19:19Stu TXO and that kinda ended up teaching me more about Bitcoin than, like, a Bitcoin university could ever teach me, I think. So it's kind of a, like, a Mark Zuckerberg kinda story, I guess. I was dropped out and then, you know, I found found my way in the world of, of shit coins. So

19:43Rod Palmer So to this I want I wanna hear about this process of learning about Bitcoin because I think that's, it's kind of an unusual experience that that many people that are very interested in Bitcoin, they they never get around to doing. But before we get there, tell tell us

20:07Rod Palmer about what did the conversation with your family look like explaining your expulsion? Were they disappointed in you? Or

20:14Stu TXO how about They were very they were they were very happy. Because originally, they do you know, they didn't want me to go to Bitcoin University. So, like, what the fuck is what's Bitcoin University? But what the fuck is this? So they were kinda like, alright. Now we can go, you know, get a real job, you know, work in Starbucks or something. But I was like, no. I don't wanna you know? This is my dream to what to, you know, work in Bitcoin.

20:42Richard Greaser So I I Well, you know. It's how do you explain that to your parents? Right? Because imagine you're a parent and your kid is just sitting at home, eating his boaters, looking at plex slap all day. Not saying that's you, but, like, you know, the average person who gets into and they come home and they say, I got into college. They're like, what? This kid wasn't studying. This kid didn't pay attention during Austrian economics at the at at school. And they're like, oh, I got into Bitcoin University. And the parents are, like, they're watching in the videos. And they're like, what in the hell is going on here?

21:19Richard Greaser How do you how do you convince your parents, like, this is this is my chance for a future. This is my chance for a future in the industry that I that I love, that I'm fascinated by. How do you convince them? Do you just agree to disagree?

21:36Stu TXO That's $2,021,000,000. That's it. As simple as that. I just kept paying 21,000,000 over and over, and they were just kinda left me alone after that. So, yeah. And then,

21:54Richard Greaser Well, alright. No. You're out. You, you've moved on. How how does this experience paint your perspective on where we're at today with BIP four four four.

22:10Richard Greaser And how would how would you describe

22:12Stu TXO BIP death. BIP death death death. Is it

22:15Richard Greaser That's right. That's right. If you're for if you're Chinese Chinese. That's what it means. Like, is that a sign is that a signal? Is that a political message to Chinese Bitcoiners, that you're getting forked off? But this is this is the, you know, American values

22:33Richard Greaser chain?

22:35Stu TXO Yeah. No. This is obviously a Luke Luke is very you know, he's he knows what he's doing. He he he picked this number on purpose. He's trying to signal to the the China because as we all know, Bitcoin is controlled by the Chinese miners. So he's trying to signal to them, you know, if you he should try to make a he's trying to make a point. He's trying to make a message.

23:02Richard Greaser That is, it it it sounds to me like what we're dealing with, and maybe this is part of the problem is we are dealing with a man who understands Plebslop much more deeply

23:19Richard Greaser than anybody gives him credit for. And he is wielding it very, very effectively.

23:27Stu TXO Yeah. I mean, he saved Bitcoin, but twice at least. So he knows how to get, you know, this kind of, like, gravitas. He can just, like, spread his message.

23:41Stu TXO People, you know, will listen to him. He's a very he's a he's a a man. He comes from religion. He's a man of religion, so he can be trusted. He's not allowed to lie. He is allowed to mislead people, but he's not allowed to lie. So that means he's very you know, you can you can

23:60Stu TXO be misled by him, but he that slight fine, I guess. Uh-huh. He's got a very,

24:06Richard Greaser very peculiar set of values, but he sticks to them pretty well. And, like, he's pretty you you can kind of, depend on it to a certain extent. He eats cats. He's not afraid of that. He's not afraid to argue with,

24:29Richard Greaser liberal Catholic women for days, about their menstruation cycles, how often they can get pregnant after having a baby in, like, certain, biological

24:41Richard Greaser things about women that he understands better than them and he mogs them on Twitter about their own bodies. And so he is, and he looks a little sloppy. He looks a little plex sloppy, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him. Would you say?

24:59Stu TXO Oh, definitely. I mean, he, he's had sex at least 11 times, I think. That's right. He's quite quite a little bit. Very fertile, man. Which is in in Bitcoin, this is like a that's kinda like a a big deal. So you have to respect him to that. And yeah. No. He's he's he's a man of,

25:21Stu TXO faith. He's a man of honor. So he, has a lot of respect in the space. So this is yeah. He is, I think he's gonna do very well on his, Bitcoin Dash Junior fork. So, yeah, I'll I'll look forward to seeing how that plays out.

25:41Richard Greaser So one more. His lieutenants, would you do you hold them as in high of a regard, or are some of Luke's lieutenants maybe his vulnerabilities?

25:56Stu TXO Well, yeah.

25:59Richard Greaser I guess Or or or or one of their strengths. Right? What are their strengths? Right? If they're all they're not all liabilities.

26:05Stu TXO Yeah. No. Mechanic has a very like, his beard is very impressive to start with. So that helps like, his, like, message. He's got he's got a strong beard. And then while you have crap, we talked about cracker. But, yeah, mechanics mechanics podcast game is very good. Like, this is the maybe the weakness of Luke is that he doesn't he doesn't podcast. I don't think I've ever heard him on a podcast.

26:31Stu TXO So he has to delegate that to, mechanic. And mechanic does quite a good job, like, representing him in the podcast space.

26:42Richard Greaser So I think that's something Preaching that and preaching that message in the, sp like, spiritual, holy mythological sense. Right? That's they could Luke is a religious man. He's deep in the see how very specific Catholic opinions.

26:60Richard Greaser And, you know, his he's like mechanic is like his his traveling pastor who was whipping up the plebs and and citing citing stuff that, that Luke is is feeding him.

27:15Stu TXO Right. Yeah. That's that's what he does best. I mean, we we all saw, the guano. He got, you know, a round of applause, I think. So that shows that he, you know, he's he's, making progress. He's, captivated the minds of the of the plebs. He's he's harnessing the plebs slop to his advantage.

27:37Stu TXO And this is actually like a like, core Bitcoin core the core devs, they're not they're they don't know about Plebslop. This is maybe one of their biggest flaws. They're they're not harnessing the Plebslop. Whereas the Pleb Slop is immunity.

27:52Richard Greaser No no natural immunity to this.

27:55Stu TXO No. Yeah. The the the Nords the Nords army, you know, they're they're cons they live off the Pleb Pleb Slop. So I think Bitcoin Core, you know, they need to they need to understand that this is, is this is no longer a technical debate. This is a PLEBSLOP debate.

28:13Rod Palmer Was was PLEBSLOP a course that they taught at Bitcoin University?

28:20Stu TXO No. But they did they did talk about it, but it was kinda like a it's like everyone everyone knew it existed, but a was kinda trying to, focus people more on running your own node with, like, a a start nine node. So that was that was more of his focus, but, yeah, everyone everyone kinda talked about it, behind his back is, like, the plex flop is that was where the real the real juice was, I guess.

28:51Rod Palmer So you you mentioned how so you get expelled from Bitcoin University. That doesn't stop you from learning about Bitcoin. You then instead of learning about how to trade Bitcoin

29:07Rod Palmer like Crater, you then and you go learn about ordinals theory. And you said that that taught you a lot about Bitcoin. Now so so this is an unusual thing because I think what we're seeing a lot from the plebs is they they don't go through the process of actually learning about Bitcoin. So why why did you learn about Bitcoin?

29:34Rod Palmer Why why did Ordo's theory teach you about Bitcoin? Why why did you go through the process of learning it instead of just regurgitating Pepl's law?

29:45Stu TXO Well, you know, I wanted to there's I heard about this numbering system of sats. And, you know, there's epic sats. There's rare sats. And, you know, I'm a I'm a collectible guy. I collect Pokemon. So I was like, okay. This is kinda interesting. And then I, you know, I kept learning about how these sats, you know, you can move them around. Whereas at Crassy Universe, the Bitcoin University, there was there was no encouragement to use these sats, these these Bitcoins.

30:16Richard Greaser So They had no circular economy on campus.

30:19Stu TXO Exactly. Yeah. There was I couldn't spend my Bitcoin that I had. I couldn't I couldn't use these sats. So I found this whole community. They were they were trading Bitcoin on, you know, layer one to buy all these, like, pictures. So I was like, oh, this is kinda interesting. A lot of people are using this is like,

30:40Stu TXO they're using their money on the Internet to buy things. So I just found that fascinating because I've never at Bitcoin University, we never learned about, like, using Bitcoin for money. So

30:53Richard Greaser Yeah. Did you did you tell it's probably better to just buy pictures on the Internet with lightning? It's like it's kinda slow just for a picture. Mhmm. Tease all you want. It's kind of expensive. You know? Just see it. Just just ask somebody on the Oster for for their memes with lightning.

31:10Stu TXO Yeah. But then, you know, this is custodial. This is, you know, this is not That's right. The v this is not the vision of trading pictures. We wanna we wanna be in control of our of our of our JPEGs at all times. We don't want, you know, the centralized, most of the Zappas to have our JPEGs. So yeah.

31:32Rod Palmer I had a very similar experience. So, Ron and I, we went to spam in Vegas, the conference that, Aaron Redwing put on.

31:41Richard Greaser That is Ron. That's where I met that's where I met Sue.

31:43Stu TXO Oh, yeah. Who's Ron? No. Rod. Ron. Oh, Rod. Okay. Yeah. No. I know he said he said I think he said wrong. It's alright. Ariel. Sorry.

31:57Rod Palmer Yeah. And it was it was pretty astounding because we've been hanging around the conference, and it was a very similar story. There wasn't a lot of discussion around using Bitcoin. There was weren't a lot of people doing it. We you know, I I went into this and, you know, all I'd heard about these spammers was that they're shitcoiners and they suck and they, wear wizard hats or whatever. And and they did wear wizard hats, but they were talking about using Bitcoin.

32:26Rod Palmer And it was one of the strangest experiences to be at a Bitcoin conference, interacting with people that are talking about using Bitcoin. Is this, like, a normal thing in these circles that people do?

32:42Stu TXO Yeah. You wouldn't believe how how much people use Bitcoin in the in the, inscription space. Like, they're they're they're using they're using it all the time. You know?

32:55Stu TXO But I don't know. Girl sees in it too. They're That yeah. I I did see some girls there. This yeah. This is the other difference. You know? Bitcoin this, Bitcoin University, there was no girls, but, yeah, inscribing bit, Bitcoin in Vegas, there was there were there was at least one girl there, I think. So What? And I mean, women like to know

33:17Richard Greaser that a man, like, can run a node for them. Like, when they get married, this their husband can run a node for them. They can be a sovereign, you know, marriage. And you go to this conference everybody's using for custodial lightning. It's like, I don't can this guy run a node for me during the fourth turning? Like, I don't know if I'd I need to be around this.

33:38Stu TXO Yeah. No. They they they they they have to buy hardware to, you know, run a node. They can't just run it on their laptop. Like, you know, the Bitcoin core, guys, you know, we know we know how to just run a node on a laptop. So this is a big, benefit, I guess.

33:56Stu TXO Yeah. And, of course, the ordinal the the reason they're like, we have so many nodes is because of inscriptions. That's just a fact, I think. People wanna inscribe, you know, the DJs wanna run these nodes. They wanna participate in the, JPEG, revolution.

34:13Richard Greaser So yeah. Yeah. The people who wanna use Bitcoin, they run notes. They're the ones running the notes. Yeah.

34:24Rod Palmer So do these people believe that Bitcoin's money?

34:29Stu TXO Well, they've heard that it's money. I think they they listen to, you know, a lot of podcasts. They they've heard about this this money thing. They they don't I mean, I don't think they know much about money, but they they've heard about it. So they they kind of yeah. They they follow the

34:50Stu TXO the the podcast,

34:53Rod Palmer scripture, I guess. Right. I'm I'm talking about the, the ordinals people. Oh, sorry. Sorry.

34:60Stu TXO Yeah. I mean, they they they don't think anything of it. They just they it's obviously money. There's magic Internet money. So they're, oh, I wanna buy this thing. I'll use buy it myself, custodial wallet, to buy this whatever, this JPEG. And they don't they don't think anything of it. It's just normal. It's just natural for them to use Bitcoin as money.

35:25Rod Palmer So but but do they know what money is? Have they read the Bitcoin standard?

35:32Stu TXO They haven't. No. And they have not listened to the Robert Breedlove, What Money Is podcast. So they don't they have no idea what money is, but they still use it as money. So

35:46Rod Palmer So in your opinion, from your perspective of interacting with these people, what what is the purpose of trading JPEGs on Bitcoin?

35:59Stu TXO The purpose of trading JPEGs on Bitcoin is to lose your Bitcoin. So you Just like buy this JPEG you buy the JPEG, and then it goes to zero, and you can't find anyone else to buy it from me. But you did pay the miner a fee while you bought the JPEG. So, technically, you are supporting the Bitcoin network.

36:25Stu TXO You know, the people who are working hard with their with their hardware, they're finding all these these blocks. So you're you're supporting them while you But in the way it is.

36:36Richard Greaser Yeah. Bitcoin runs and is, you know, maintained by the donations of these ordinals traders. Like, these guys, you know, the the the the creditor gardeners aren't using Bitcoin. They're not paying miners anything. They're not

36:54Richard Greaser providing any value to the network, any liquidity, maybe acts of liquidity on an exchange. But the worst people are using Bitcoin and, you know, paying the miners for so they don't have you don't wanna spend your Bitcoin. But

37:10Richard Greaser everybody likes to have a story that you'd be like, oh, you know, I've lost more Bitcoin than you've ever stacked, bucko. You know? And it's like Yeah. That's Instead of spending your money, you you it's it's like a scar. You know? You you lost it. It's cool. The sign of I think the sign of an OG

37:26Stu TXO is you've lost more Bitcoin than you have. So this is the kind of aim of the game. If you wanna be painted as an OG, if you wanna add that to your bio and, on Twitter, then you have to loo you gotta lose some Bitcoin.

37:41Richard Greaser Do you think most people if they regret it, or do you think most people think it was worth it? At the end of the day. At the end of the day. Like, not, like, not the people that bought the top because they they saw hot to a coin. But, like, you know, people like you just fucking around pissing off, the plaids pissing off the maxis.

38:04Richard Greaser That's kinda fun. Right?

38:06Stu TXO Yeah. It's all worth it. You know? If you get a few likes on Twitter, then that's that's all the mess. So it's it's worth it. Yeah. Every time. Well, I wouldn't change anything.

38:21Rod Palmer Interesting. Yeah. We're in this really interesting, predicament right now. So there's, so you're working on, I think, what you classify as a Bitcoin layer two of sorts.

38:42Stu TXO Yeah. Maybe. Who knows? This is you know? No one knows. No one knows what char is. This is the beauty of charm, but no one knows what it is.

38:53Richard Greaser Even though it is Is that is that, is that intentional? Or you just haven't found the right marketing associate? Like, what's the how come nobody knows? What are you why are you working on something that nobody knows about? Well, Jeremy knows what it is.

39:08Stu TXO But, you know, we we have to You're gonna trust him to explain it to people. We have to extract what it is from Jeremy's brain. This is the hardest part. So that's where everyone the whole community right now, we're trying to this is what we're trying to do to try and figure out what what the char network actually is.

39:25Rod Palmer Well, it it that's a good way of putting it. There's been a strategy that that people have used for a long time. Like, you've got things like Synonym and Impervious. No. Nobody knows what it is. They raise VC money and until they kinda just, like, hang out and they market whatever their thing is

39:50Rod Palmer until it comes time to, you know, actually earn money and the VC money runs out. So it's kinda it's kinda like, you know, just like a creative way to throw a party. So they they hire all their friends and they hang out in, like, an office and, like, tweet together. At conferences.

40:06Richard Greaser Yeah.

40:09Stu TXO Yeah. No. That's exactly what it is. Yeah. You you've nailed it. No. No. We're, you know, we're building, you know, we're building. So just So you just say stealth mode. All I say is stealth mode, and then, like,

40:23Richard Greaser So is that I I Yeah. I assume this is what your preferred environment is in the Bitcoin space. So you've got kind of two approaches. You've got your approach where it's like you're just building something. You don't know what. You can't explain it. Your boss won't tell you, but you're quiet right? Like it's it's not out there it's not a big thing on the timeline and then you've got like the swan model where it's like you promote it you build it up you try to think it public before you build it And with

40:54Richard Greaser one side is more hype, it's more fun, there's more parties. What is the what is the benefit of, working in these, like, stealth mode with, like, in those crazy wizard child prodigies

41:09Richard Greaser like, Jeremy Rubin?

41:13Stu TXO It's peaceful, you know. We get to do our own thing. You know, we're working on our own little little project. When when we've got something to show, we're, you know, we'll show it. But right now, we're just we're just vibing. I think that's that's the word. We're just, you know, we're enjoying the pleb slop. We're just vibing. We're just coding, and we'll see what happens. Is

41:37Richard Greaser is Jeremy just on, you know, scrolling TikTok all day? Like, what's he doing?

41:42Stu TXO Yeah. No. I don't know I don't know what he's up to. He's just yeah. I think he's just he's he he loves the Plebslop as much as anyone else. It's not it doesn't it doesn't, yeah. There's no no one's no one's safe from the Pleb Slop. So Absolutely not. But one thing that I did, like, this is, you know, he's he's a big cargo pants guy, publicly. But I don't I haven't seen it. This is exclusive

42:10Stu TXO for the bugle, but I I haven't seen him once wearing cargo pants for the whole time that I've known him. So I don't know what that says.

42:22Richard Greaser It's kinda hot down there.

42:24Stu TXO It's hot. Yeah. But you these cargo pants, you know, you can you can remove the legs the second half. You can turn them into cargo shorts. So

42:35Rod Palmer Jeremy seems like a guy who's never grown up and just wears shorts. Like, he he hasn't gone in into the adult, like, wearing pants phase yet. You know what I mean? I don't own any I don't own any pants. Oh, so you're in the suit. But I I mean, there's an excuse for you because you you got your college career cut short. You didn't have that, right of passage in your life getting your,

42:56Stu TXO defensive. Yeah. I know. I, Yeah. I can't afford jeans. I don't know. This is I'm just a I'm just a shorts guy for life. I'm just short, I guess.

43:11Richard Greaser If you're at the ants, you're paying for that extra material. It needs your short pick, Clint. If you don't wear shorts, you're short Bitcoin. So back to the the, the drama and, like, where where we're at here. Like, what is the perspective from shops like yours,

43:33Richard Greaser crew chats like yours with other, you know, submarine mode or, you come yeah. Yeah. Do you get do anybody from Citrio? Like, what's their opinion of the drama with these building well, building these projects that nobody's heard of or understands how they work?

43:50Stu TXO Well, I mean, they, you know, they're loving it right now. They they they they caused all this drama. They they got what they wanted, so now they can spam Bitcoin with their, large, Bitcoin transactions. So

44:05Stu TXO yeah. And I heard, you know, they're gonna their main net is coming soon. So this is gonna you know, the the Nots the Nots boys are running out of time, I think. Because sit Citra, they're coming. They're coming for the, the blocks. They're coming for the the block space. So,

44:24Stu TXO yeah, they, they got a fork pretty quickly right now or Citra, you know, they'll be unleashed, I guess.

44:34Richard Greaser So the Nazis are who do they have to convince at this point? The economic nodes, the miners, the the plebs? They seem to have the plebs convinced.

44:44Stu TXO Yeah. I mean, they have, what, 20% of the plebs right now. So that's a that's a lot of plebs.

44:50Richard Greaser That's it for the plebs. Yeah. Plebs slop. Yeah.

44:55Stu TXO So I think they they just need to get this bit number. This is all they're waiting for. And, oh, they're waiting for Luke to get access to his GitHub account. Right? He's traveling right now. He can't access his GitHub, so this is what we're all waiting for because someone actually needs to, you know, write up the code. So Luke is you know, we we're all waiting for Luke to get his, GitHub access back.

45:19Richard Greaser Can you account on the code of, the work of Dan Thamont?

45:23Stu TXO What's it what's this guy's name? Dave Dave Dave Dave Dave Dave Dave Dave Dave Dave or Chris Chris Chris Gouda, I think his name is. Chris Guido.

45:31Richard Greaser Chris Guido. Chris Guido. Chris Guido. Okay. That's gonna be Gouda after the cheese. But Now Guido is the I alright. This is this is not a lieutenant of, of Luke. Right? Chris Guido is, like, one of the captains. He's the kind of He's the he's the jester. The jester. Okay. And so Yeah. There's two there's the there's a goldfish. There's a goldfish memes, and then there is,

45:58Richard Greaser the sea lion meme. He's kind of like the face of these two memes. Do you know I know the sea lion. We talked about the sea lion one. Can you explain the goldfish?

46:06Stu TXO Well, I think I don't know about the sea lion sea lion one, but the goldfish one is he just, you know, he just repeats nonstop. He just gets stuck on a a feedback loop in in Twitter, comments, while he's arguing with people. So he'll, he'll just forget that something someone commented something. So then he'll keep replying, and then he gets stuck in the loop with Grok.

46:28Stu TXO And he would just be on there, like, oh, sometimes, like like, days on end, he'll just be in a loop with Grok just trying to figure out, like, how like, do the fillers work or not?

46:41Richard Greaser Every every time he tries to learn, Portland Hoddle is is is attacking his Comcast node and getting them all spun out. Mhmm. But that's very similar so to the the sea lion meme that I don't know. The Goldfish one's much more popular. But it's like in in the his I don't know if his is deliberate or he just effectively does it. But it's like, Keith asked he's trying to antagonize the bay,

47:08Richard Greaser in what is perceived trying in the perception of of good faith and get get the other side to just constantly respond, trying to explain the situation, trying to have a reasonable response, trying to answer their questions. And this is DDoS ing their time because no explanation will ever be sufficient. It'll always be interpreted in the most,

47:30Richard Greaser opportunistic light by the sea lion to continue the debate and force people to keep arguing about it. And it I it's difficult to tell if that is, like, what he's doing on purpose or if he really is, you know he's like Peter McCormick. Like, no matter how many times you explain it to him, he doesn't get it.

47:52Stu TXO Yeah. I think it's that yeah. I think it's that one. He's, you know, he's doing his thing. He's trying you know, he's wasting all his water in the world. It's like, talking to Grok. Like, the amount of GPU cycles that are being used just with, Chris and Grok is just, like, pretty incredible. So,

48:12Stu TXO he's, yeah, he's just he's out on a mission. And this is what's sad because he's been doing this this for, like, almost a year of saying, you know, fix the filters. The filters work. And then his own, you know, his own brethren, his own team, the ocean boys, they were like, alright. The filters don't work. We need to soft walk. And this this must have caught him by surprise because, I don't know. He's just, like, I don't think he's been the same since that happened because he's, you know, he's been very focused on this narrative that,

48:43Stu TXO you know, the filters work. But now the, the generals and the the leadership have gone they've gone a different way. They've gone the way of the of the soft fork. So he's, you know, he's had to kinda learn, why this is a good thing. And now I think he's now coming around to the idea. He's learning more about it. So, yeah, this is this this might be a new Chris. I don't know. We might not see this anymore from him.

49:10Rod Palmer He got his firmware patched.

49:12Stu TXO Yeah. Yeah. I think he went he must have Cracker must have gone into, you know, do a reeducation, like, course at Bitcoin University to, like, you know, take him through why the soft fork why the filters don't work, why we have to soft fork. So yeah. But I think he's he's he's got caught up on it now, so he's he's pushing the the agenda now.

49:35Rod Palmer So what do you what do you think the endgame of this software proposal is?

49:46Stu TXO Well, we go for to bit four four five. Like, that's the next step. I think they're gonna read I think they're gonna remake the bit. So when this is white gets his gone.

50:00Richard Greaser This is white, you know, Donald Trump. It it's never going away. It's never going away. Right? Like, it's like, we just he would he's gonna run for the next election. Now he's gonna run for a third term. And whether you like him or not, is there are a certain subset of people who are, like, certain to go crazy, and their their sprues are starting to, like, rattle because they're like, this is just gonna keep going. There's there's no end to the amount of bits that they can open. They can open more bits than any of us can ever fathom. It's like paper Bitcoin summer. It went on. It can keep it just keeps going on. You're never gonna get rid of it.

50:40Richard Greaser And some people are coming to that realization. How do you pace yourself so you don't go postal, so to speak, right, where you're just like, I can't handle the bits just keep coming.

50:53Stu TXO Yeah. I mean, they already started a pretty high bit number, so they're already at 444. So, yeah, they do they do need to pace themselves. They get 445, and then that'll be closed. And then we'll keep, you know, we'll keep going and going. But Luke is a bit, like, a maintainer. He's he's in the in the council of bips. So he has, authority Right. Over this.

51:19Stu TXO So yeah. And he can They're now there.

51:22Richard Greaser They're not even just bips. They're writing open letters and submitting it to the Bitcoin mailing list or, the development mailing list. Like, they're writing to their their congressmen or their senators, and they're saying, do not support spam on the next core release. Like,

51:40Richard Greaser submit a bill. Like, get this out of here. And the core devs are like, what are we gonna do with this? Like, who are these people? Who do they think we are?

51:49Stu TXO Yeah. I know. The the the Bitcoin core devs, you know, they retaliated. They removed or they're trying to remove Luke from the DNS seats. And as we know, Luke has got, you know, his his, like, service out. He's very secure. He's just very trustworthy with his, like, setup. So you know? And he he would never, you know, do anything to sabotage the Bitcoin network with his, like, seed relaying. So I don't know why they're, they're attacking him in this way. And then someone else, you know, they retaliate. They're trying to get Peter Todd's seed, DNS seed, like, removed.

52:25Stu TXO So this is just this is the GitHub boards we're under now. This is this is all it is. So, we'll see what happens, but we might end up with no seed, The NSC is left, at the end of this. We'll just we won't be able to you just start a Bitcoin node, and it'll just nothing will happen.

52:52Richard Greaser What is the, what are they where where are they can you at a very simple level explain what the their their current software proposal is the one from this weekend, what it's trying to do, and it maybe even why it's so the pupslop of it is just so funny to so many people. Why why people giggle when they see

53:16Richard Greaser this pupslop on GitHub?

53:19Stu TXO Well, they're trying to they're trying to stop the Libet boost coming on chain. So, you know, they're trying to restrict the control block so you can't add data to the control block. And this would, you know there there'll be no more no more you're evicting the little bit boost from their homes at this point. So this is why everyone is very

53:42Stu TXO upset about this proposal because they don't you know, they wanna use the control block for its intended purpose, which is, you know, to house the, the bit booze.

53:52Richard Greaser So So they're hoping that they can basically

53:56Stu TXO kill off the little bit booze, and then the the problem will be gone Right. In a year. It's like a go you know, they shut down the government. They they wanna shut down the LibetBoos. They wanna starve them out and you know? But I don't think the Bitcoin community is obviously you know, you've seen over the past week, they they've violently, they're running against this change. They don't want little bit boost to die. They want them to survive. So this is,

54:25Stu TXO I mean, for me, you know, I'm happy to see this. But a lot of people are not happy. So we'll we'll see we'll see what happens.

54:32Rod Palmer Can can you explain what a Libetbu is?

54:37Stu TXO Well, I would have to explain what a Libetbu is before that, but I don't know if anyone wants to. Let's let's

54:45Rod Palmer do that. Let's hit this topic for first principles. What's a Laboeba?

54:49Stu TXO Laboeba is a, it's a j it's a web p that lives in the control block of a tap through transaction. That's what it is.

55:02Rod Palmer Can you explain that like you're talking to a journalist?

55:08Stu TXO So you send a Bitcoin transaction, a tap through transaction, and then you have the control block, which, like, I guess, it reveals your script that you spent, but you can hide, some data in the sibling, like, the some of the, like, tree of the, control block. And that's where the Libetbu is hiding in the control block. You know? You can just put any data you want in there up to four kilobytes.

55:37Stu TXO So

55:39Richard Greaser Is it a is it a Trojan is what is this a Trojan horse? Can you fit illegal data in one of these things?

55:49Stu TXO Yeah. I guess you could put I mean, it depends where you are in the world, but you could put some yeah. Whatever you want in it. As long as it's, you know, four kilobytes of data, it can go in a tap root transaction. So, yeah, you could put maybe you could put tank tank man in there. I don't know.

56:08Rod Palmer Put a picture of the prophet Mohammed.

56:11Stu TXO You could do that. Yeah. But the primary use case of the control block is to store a little bit boost. So

56:24Rod Palmer Is there is there any way is is there something that the Nazis are upset about that they wanna stop, which is different from just the other ways that they're inscribing things?

56:37Stu TXO Well, it's in it's in the BIP. So they're obviously they were upset that people were using the control block in this way. So they they wanna they wanna stop. They wanna ban the use the use of the control block, which would it would also affect, you know, real transactions by the, the latest, TabConf,

57:00Stu TXO capture the Bitcoin. It's spend the the winning you know, to spend this this capture the Bitcoin transaction, which is a valid, monetary transaction, the debt was way past what Luke wants to ban. So you could end up blocking

57:17Stu TXO well, you don't also, with Tapri, you don't know what scripts people have already used. So they could just be blocked from sending any Bitcoin for the temporary whatever thing they've set.

57:31Richard Greaser Do do they ever address publicly whether or not they believe that any data tethered by, or, excuse me, anchored by Tether in the

57:45Richard Greaser in the blockchain, if that's considered spam or if that is a monetary use case because it's Tether.

57:52Stu TXO Oh, no. They love Tether. This is the Phil the Phil boys, they are big Tether fans. They're they're they're yeah. Whatever Tether say They believe Tether is money. They they they believe Tether is money. Yeah. They use Tether. This is a big thing at Crayer, university. Bitcoin university is, you know, forget about Bitcoin. Tether is, you know, this is money. This is real money. You can send it. You know, you can pay for things. Everything's priced in dollars, so you can like, Tether is priced in dollars. This is like a a big thing of the Bitcoin university is that you can you know, you don't use your Bitcoin. You use your Tether, with, like, Aqua Wallet and all these things.

58:32Stu TXO You'd like the Tron network is a big thing at Bitcoin University. They love the Tron network there. You can use, you know, Tether for very, very cheap. You can send it. You can use it, you know, do what you want.

58:47Richard Greaser But yeah. You can teach your you could teach your, your housemaid to send tether on Tron back to their family members in the global South.

58:57Stu TXO Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And now you can even you can teach your robot, a housemate, to do the same thing. You know? They'll all be using Tether since the the future of money is, you know, the the Tether on these, you know, on Tron. We're getting on we're getting you know, Tether's moving to Bitcoin. So RGB, no one no one knows what RGB is, but, apparently, that's a Tether thing. But If we get if we can get fees low enough for areas,

59:25Richard Greaser one savvy by if we get fees low, if we could just get Tether to end all of this, you know, all these stablecoin investments and all these other blockchains, we just bring Tether back on chain where it belongs. If the fees are low enough.

59:41Stu TXO Yeah. I mean, that's that's that's the in the vision. Using US dollars on Bitcoin. This is gonna, you know Bring back to you. Bring make the Omni layer great again. Omni yeah. Omni layer. Let's bring it back. Yeah. I mean, you're gonna have tether on, you know, type through assets. You're gonna have it on spark. You're gonna have it on all. You're gonna have it on bulk. You're gonna have it on whatever else. You know? This is gonna it's just this is it. This is the tether tetherification of,

1:00:12Stu TXO Bitcoin.

1:00:16Rod Palmer But that's okay because Bitcoin is money and Tether is money. So I I wanna talk I guess, the last topic I wanna talk about so Paul Stork was at TabCom, school and everybody about why lightning's a waste of time. There's a lot of Bitcoin Magazine

1:00:40Rod Palmer pulled their lightning edition off the store. They're pretending like they never released it. There's this race to see who's gonna be the next dominant layer two, to be able to support

1:00:58Rod Palmer Tether, essentially, Tether transactions. When you're looking at the landscape of layer twos that are happening right now, what what are you seeing? What are you thinking? Is paper Bitcoin the primary scaling solution, or do these other things have any sort of future beyond just sucking up all the VC money that they're raising?

1:01:22Stu TXO Well, as we all know, drive chains are the greatest invention known to man. So hopefully, we get a drive chain future. But right now, every every layer two, their whole thing is to use the LAN network to swap in and out of. This is lit like, ARCA using the liner network. Spark are using it.

1:01:43Stu TXO Liquid are using it. Everyone is using the light lightning network. So, you know, the depth of lightning has, you know, been exaggerated. Lightning is gonna, you know, rule these, like, layer layer two swaps. Everything's gonna use lightning, apart from you know, it's just the customer is not gonna use lightning. They're gonna use, yeah, these, like, servers, you know,

1:02:07Stu TXO to coordinate all these via, layer two shenanigans. But, yeah, the lining is still is is gonna be around for for a long time, I think. But, yeah, but still, you know, these things are happening. Spark is happening. Arc is happening. Arc is amazing,

1:02:27Stu TXO but it doesn't matter. Like, still everyone, you know, no one cares about this. They're all using, as you said, you know, they're on the paper Bitcoin hype. They're they just have their Bitcoin and Coinbase. They have their Bitcoin, you know, in ETFs. They're just they're just doing that. Like, the majority of Bitcoiners have no idea or what ARC is or what Spark is. They don't know what Nazis. They don't know what the filter war is. They're just doing, you know, they're just using they're just using Bitcoin as as, like, a investment. Right? So it's kinda sad. You want you want them to kinda move away from that, but it's just so

1:03:04Stu TXO you know, these solutions, they're they're cool for Bitcoiners. Like, I I use ARC. It's really cool. But no one it's just people don't know about them yet. And they don't wanna like, you don't they don't wanna be exposed to, like, self custody because this is why why would you ever wanna it just like, the state of it right now is just so like, you have to write down these words. It's like people say, oh, it's easy. You just have to write down 12 words, but it's not I don't think it is as easy as people say. And, obviously, it's not because people aren't doing it. They just have their Bitcoin

1:03:37Stu TXO in exchanges and custodials and the f t ETFs. So, yeah, I think we're I think we're losing right now. I don't know exactly how how to fix it. We need some more. You know? Maybe we need more DJing on Bitcoin. We need to get people to because these other chains, they're all using them like Solana. They there's there's, like, normal normal people

1:04:02Stu TXO using, like, Robinhood and all this stuff to trade. They're trading, like, stocks on these layer twos. They're trading all this stuff on, like, Ethereum and Solana, but no one's using Bitcoin for that. So yeah. I don't know. Maybe that's, like, Bitcoin season three. We're gonna see more of that, but we'll we'll see. We'll see. We need Nick Fuentes shilling racist meme coins on Bitcoin. Exactly. Yes.

1:04:28Stu TXO Yeah. That would fix everything.

1:04:32Richard Greaser I'm not asking. Yeah. I my only it's not that I don't that I'm against some of the

1:04:45Richard Greaser proposals to scale Bitcoin, like, confidence, for example. It's, you know, the the the argument I hear most is from Shinobi, and he's talking about he's just screaming the calm people retards if they don't think that we should scale Bitcoin so that 8,000,000,000 people can use it. And I just think we should get 1,000,000 people to actually use Bitcoin every day before we worry about scaling it to 8,000,000,000. I just you it's we're putting the cart before the horse. There doesn't seem to be much demand for UTXOs. There's a semi demand for on chain usage right now, and people are thinking so far ahead. The the Bitcoin's in the day, like, it's gonna be here forever.

1:05:26Richard Greaser It's gonna we're living in the citadels in a hundred years. We need to make sure everybody can use it. It's like make sure I don't I don't know. It's like you you take it too far ahead and you're not solving practical problems. And, like, the Nazis are just a goofy or plebs lot version of this. It's like,

1:05:46Richard Greaser these dystopian fantasies about climate change that some people have. It's like how that's how the Nazis feel about Bitcoin. Like, spam, CCM, and spam are gonna destroy the the the, Bitcoin blockchain the way carbon monot you know, carbon dioxide and and such is gonna destroy The US air or atmosphere.

1:06:09Richard Greaser It's, like, just take it one day at a time, guys.

1:06:13Stu TXO Take it one day at a time. So it's luke Lucas Grae. Is that what you're saying?

1:06:19Richard Greaser Yes. Exactly. Luke is Grae. Okay. Yeah. Well, that makes sense. How dare you liars, you know?

1:06:27Stu TXO Yeah. I know.

1:06:29Rod Palmer It's I've got some breaking news.

1:06:31Stu TXO Oh, no.

1:06:33Rod Palmer Luke has, defined PlubSlop.

1:06:37Richard Greaser He's weighed in. No. Michael Tidwell of TapGolf asked, what is plug slot? And Lou chimed in.

1:06:47Stu TXO See what he says. I said, if you have to ask, you are the plug slot. Dismissing everything, not by core elitist as automatically garbage. Okay. Is that an accurate

1:07:03Richard Greaser aware Luke is aware that we are talking about his plebslop. His ears were burning.

1:07:13Stu TXO Yeah. This is a big endorsement of the plebslop. You know? You have the the king himself. He's commented.

1:07:23Richard Greaser Notice he doesn't deflect. He doesn't,

1:07:26Stu TXO I think he's wrong. He doesn't. Hello. Do you agree with his assessment on Plevslop?

1:07:31Richard Greaser I think I think that Plevslop is a mirror. And however you see however you see yourself in relation to Plebslop is probably true

1:07:46Richard Greaser and some people think it's funny some people make some giggle Some people try to block it and avoid it. Pleasure wants nothing to do with Plebslop. Some people like Need Creations loves the Plebslop. Cannot get enough of a Plebslop. But Luke thinks that Plevslop is

1:08:05Richard Greaser unjustly describing him. And I don't know. That's just his perspective. That's interesting to me.

1:08:14Stu TXO Yeah. No. I thought that's not what he says there. Yeah. It's a it's a core propaganda machine, but I don't believe I don't believe that. I think he you know? The Nazis It's organic. PlevSlop's organic. Yeah. I think the Nazis are they contributed more to PlevSlop than anyone. So, I don't know if his take is correct, but he's probably just trying to mislead people. Like, he's not lying. He would never he would never lie about that, but he might be misleading people.

1:08:45Rod Palmer I mean, you cannot you cannot answer the question what is PubSlop by answering with PubSlop. That's just,

1:08:55Richard Greaser it's not a good place to do. I was banned or not banned, but they deleted my my comment on the pull request because I called it Club Slop. And my only you know, it is listen, I I'm not a moderator.

1:09:11Richard Greaser I I know their job is tough, but by all means, the appeal is that

1:09:20Richard Greaser PLEBSLOP is the only way to describe that proposal. And so why should I be punished or why is it considered unproductive to, accurately identify, what it was and give my personal opinion. And

1:09:37Stu TXO that goes against what Luke is saying here. He says anything everything not by the core leases is is garbage. But you, you know, you said this is Klevyslaw in a in the Bitcoin core repo, and they banned you while they they dropped you. So And and and mechanic gave me a thumbs down. Wow. I mean, that explains everything. Yeah. I mean, that's like a death sentence. Well, I'm surprised you're still you're still with us. He gave you the the thumbs down. You know? He is the he's the emperor. Yeah. But, no, I'm disappointed in Luke's take care. I feel like he, you know, I feel like he would embrace the pep slot. He needs, you know, he needs the pep slot for his movement. If he if he wants to fork Bitcoin, then he's gonna have to have a lot of pep slot behind him.

1:10:28Stu TXO He's gonna have to go on podcast. He's gonna have to do his part. You know? We have the hell money podcast. He's gonna have to start the heaven podcast, heaven money podcast. Right? This is the counter to the hell money podcast. Like, he's got he's got a lot of stuff to do right now. Like, he thinks it's gonna be easy, but he just has to write a bit and just, you know, give it a number. But, no, he's you know, he has a lot of work. This is this is not 2013 anymore, you know, or whatever. This is this is 2025.

1:10:56Stu TXO You know? You need to you need you need a podcast. That's, like, for a start. You have to have a podcast. And

1:11:02Richard Greaser they and they need they need a a Christian hardware wall in the shape of a cross.

1:11:08Stu TXO Exactly. Yeah. They need to support, knots on Temple OS. This is what I need. This is the holy operating system. They need a knot's fork that runs on Temple OS, and then Luke, you know, start his crusade

1:11:26Stu TXO against the current, Pope because this this is all this is what this is all about. It's not about Bitcoin. He's just trying to, you know he needs to cement his religion as the true Catholic religion. And,

1:11:41Stu TXO this is just a part of it. You know? He needs his, you know, his army of children. They need to be well funded with Bitcoin. He needs Bitcoin to exist for him to, you know, start his crusade and, you know, in in state his religion as the true the true, Catholic religion.

1:11:59Rod Palmer Well, I think, you know, what a lot of these influencers are realizing is that if and when Bitcoin fails, they have very promising careers afterwards with their expertise

1:12:14Rod Palmer in wielding Plebswap because Plebswap is a transferable skill into all sorts of other industries outside of other industries outside of Bitcoin. Because the plugs proof. The plugs make up the biggest consumer base in the world.

1:12:29Stu TXO Yeah. And slop is the game right now. Mhmm. Everything is slop.

1:12:35Richard Greaser You're, you know, on Instagram. You can easily bridge it. You can swap it and bridge it to other algorithms pretty easily.

1:12:42Stu TXO Yeah. Yeah. If you master the slop and, you know, it's endless endless That's what we need.

1:12:48Richard Greaser We don't need we don't need covenants. We need a object relational mapper, an ORM to port your plug slot from one algorithm to the other, from one platform to another.

1:12:60Stu TXO So we need we need slot VM. This is what you're saying. Slot VM. Exactly. Forget about bit VM. We need slot VM. This is what, Robin Liner should be working on so we can yeah. Any any area, any anything that happens, you can just bridge your slop any way you want. I think you're right.

1:13:22Rod Palmer Yep. Well, Rod, do you got anything else before we get to the found booths?

1:13:31Richard Greaser No. I think, I think thank you for sharing your journey about, you know, such a difficult time getting expelled from college, not knowing if you'd be able to continue your your path in in the in in the industry.

1:13:51Stu TXO Oh, I mean, thank you for giving me a voice. This is what the bugle is all about. But, you know, honey, you know, this is I'm grateful for you for giving me a voice, sharing my story, and, you know, exposing to the world what, you know, the the university experience is like. So thank you.

1:14:14Rod Palmer One thing we wanted to wait till the end of the episode to tell you this, but we had a surprise for you. Rod and I, we talked with the, faculty at the University of Bitcoin,

1:14:28Rod Palmer and, they felt really, you know, sympathetic towards your situation. They are willing to offer you a full ride scholarship if you would like to go complete your college courses.

1:14:44Stu TXO Absolutely not. No. I'll have, you know, they, they they they they doubted me. They expelled me. You know, I'll never ever, you know, return.

1:14:55Rod Palmer No. This is this is a different one. This is so there's there's Bitcoin University, which is crater, and then there's the University of Bitcoin.

1:15:03Stu TXO Oh, the University of Big. I've heard about this. Yeah. No. That'd be incredible. I'd love to join the University of Bitcoin. I know. Yeah. This is like a dream for me to join a University of Bitcoin.

1:15:15Richard Greaser Yeah. Odell. I would love that. Odell Odell pledged through OpenStats, to pay for your tuition to University of Bitcoin.

1:15:23Stu TXO Incredible. Yeah. No. I would I would love to do that. Yeah. That's that's a dream come true. Thank you. Thank you, Odell.

1:15:39Richard Greaser Are you gonna we're gonna start doing the boost, Richard?

1:15:42Rod Palmer Yeah. Sorry. I'm dying. I ate in this episode, I ate five jalapenos. Okay. I don't know if you're watching me, but No. I saw your your message.

1:15:56Richard Greaser It's not usually like a jackass hybrid where we're doing pranks and eating jalapenos while podcasting.

1:16:02Rod Palmer Dude, I just I fucking I I like jalapenos. They're great.

1:16:07Stu TXO I just don't have like the worst the worst beer I've ever had in my life is just pumpkin ale. It's so bad.

1:16:15Richard Greaser See, people people who smoke cigarettes, they they can't taste very much. Their their the base loads have been dulled by the smoke, so they have to you know, that's why we love jalapenos. It's, like, one of the only things you can taste. Yeah. You can feel something. Yeah. Yeah. Mhmm. I see.

1:16:33Rod Palmer Yeah. So, Stu, do you do you ever listen to our show?

1:16:38Stu TXO Once or twice. Yeah.

1:16:41Rod Palmer So one of the things we do at the end, all of our interviews, we go through our found and boost the previous show. So, previously, we had, Walker on. He was our last, interview. We we do a different a few different types of interview shows, but you're on behind the podcast. We talked about all sorts of stuff with Walker. It was kind of you know, there were some discussion of

1:17:13Rod Palmer Vibes revival. Bringing better vibes. I feel like my vibes have gotten better. I feel like the the plebs vibes just continuously are nose diving right now. How how have your vibes been?

1:17:28Stu TXO I think the vibes are good because, you know, the not the Nazis are they're getting to the end of their, like, rain or whatever. You know, they were great they were gaining some grounds, and now it's just like, I don't know. It's just, nothing that's kinda dying out. So I guess we'll move on to the next thing soon, hopefully.

1:17:48Richard Greaser But, yeah, vibes Via. I don't know if my vibes are going up or the, Nazi plebs vibes are just going down. Mhmm. And it's it's it's related. The delta's growing from that reason. But we'll see. I I think I hope you're right. I hope you're right.

1:18:07Stu TXO Yeah. And, or where I'm wrong and this is going to go on this cause it's kinda like, no one, maybe no one really cares about it right now, but they're going to cause such a thing that, like, the rest of the community are going to get involved. Yeah. And it's just gonna escalate. It's just gonna get ridiculous, but I don't know.

1:18:26Richard Greaser Yep. Sailor's gonna have to stop making vague, announcements. He's gonna have to start naming names. We'll see.

1:18:35Stu TXO Yeah.

1:18:37Richard Greaser Yeah so are we still first, boost through KT 23,000 sass thank you KT

1:18:48Richard Greaser KT says Lyn Alden discussing the intricacies of cleaning a vagina versus a penis on Monster definitely elevated her hotness level in my book. Being down with a pair of tits myself, I feel qualified to say that she helps validate other tits in Bitcoin, and anyone threatened by hot tits should automatically fail the purity test. Also, as per the error of an Elvis themed establishment, this Ephesus based reading section gave me extra good vibes.

1:19:17Richard Greaser So KT is a girl, sounds like. And she's got hot tits. Yeah. It's KTs. Sounds hot.

1:19:24Stu TXO Why is this on Loster or what? They're like they're like nips over on Loster.

1:19:31Richard Greaser Yeah. We do. Yeah. And they like arguing about nits too.

1:19:38Rod Palmer Yeah. I mean, how about that? We have a podcast where people listening to podcasts actually use Bitcoin, and the biggest boost on this episode was, Chick with tits. Oh, yeah. What actually, she's not the biggest boost, but, that's pretty that's an that's an anomaly.

1:19:59Rod Palmer It's pretty strange. Very. Next boost, fundamentals, 10,101 SaaS says, I sat in the risk chair and the podcast chair. This episode made me realize I should be much more successful.

1:20:19Richard Greaser You got, like, five pod Fundamentals has, like, five different podcasters. I don't know how much more successful a husband and a father and it's you can be than they retire and have five podcasts. So, yeah, you're being too hard on yourself. Fundamentals.

1:20:37Rod Palmer Do you think he needs to start a sixth one?

1:20:41Richard Greaser I think he's going to whether he needs to or not. You know? As many as many as possible. As many as necessary. He will start as many as necessary.

1:20:51Rod Palmer When when are you gonna start a podcast, dude?

1:20:55Stu TXO Well, maybe after this episode. I don't know. This is, this is my first podcast, so now I have to carry on the legacy.

1:21:06Rod Palmer Is this are we popping your cherry for real?

1:21:10Stu TXO I've been on I've been on a live stream, but not a podcast. This is the first official podcast, I guess. So I think I was on well, I guess I was on play by the ground. Is that podcast? That counts maybe. No. That doesn't count. No? Okay.

1:21:27Rod Palmer Alright. I don't even know what you call it. That's that's just plebs.

1:21:30Unknown Okay. They're not That's not even not even plebs law. That's just pleb.

1:21:37Rod Palmer Well, it depends who who you're talking to. If you're talking to sir Ulrich, it's a little bit higher signal, but you're talking to Phil. It's some, plex lot for sure. You probably have an open mouth thumbnail promoting it and, you know, he's gonna be complaining about, you know, whichever

1:21:53Stu TXO shit coin you'd never heard of that he wants to make it stand on. It was a desk at TabCon a few years ago, so it wasn't an official episode. So I think it was the yeah. This counts as the first podcast, I think. Yeah.

1:22:07Rod Palmer Do you think you'd be allowed back on plugged plugged underground after all your shit coin? Yeah. I've never been asked back,

1:22:15Stu TXO but I have the badge of honor. They gave me a little badge. So I have that. So I don't need to go back.

1:22:23Richard Greaser Tell you. Well Do you have a badge? Time no. We've not been invited.

1:22:29Stu TXO You don't have a badge? Okay. Who do Do I get Who do I get? Or do do I get anything for being on here?

1:22:38Rod Palmer Oh, for on this podcast?

1:22:40Stu TXO Yeah. Some merch. One of those people shares.

1:22:45Rod Palmer Yeah. I mean, if you really want merch, I'll get you merch. But, what you what you get is you get internal glory and you get a full ride scholarship to the University of Bitcoin. Yeah. I don't Of course. I forgot about that. That's right. Yeah.

1:23:01Richard Greaser Next one is 6,006 sets from, late stage model, which, if I'm not mistaken, that might be a coded message for Boob. So that's a theme. Noted Bitcoin podcaster in quotes. It shall remain. I will default to our fearless generals, our podcasters.

1:23:21Richard Greaser I really enjoyed listening to this episode of three Bitcoin podcasters with completely real voices, true pioneers with the best voices in Bitcoin podcasting. I think I owe you a response to a recent message, Dick. Hopefully, I'll be able to get back to you soon. Did he do you back to you?

1:23:41Richard Greaser Yeah. He got back to me. Oh, great. Good. Make sure we cleared that up. Make sure we didn't forget.

1:23:47Rod Palmer I was just checking on, in on him. Just saying, hey. I hope he's doing well. It wasn't anything, important or dramatic. But, yeah. Big big fan of Lisa Toto. Great guy. Yeah. We talk we talked about boobs a lot on the episode with Walker. Not Justin Bachelor.

1:24:08Richard Greaser Not Justin Bachelor. Hot boobs.

1:24:14Rod Palmer Does Justin Bachelor have, club slop tits?

1:24:18Richard Greaser No. I think he's just a boob. It's it's

1:24:22Rod Palmer Okay. What are what are your thoughts on boobs, dude?

1:24:26Stu TXO Big fan. I like the the opcode opnit. Isn't that's my favorite opcode. So I'm a big boobs fan.

1:24:36Rod Palmer Okay. We gotta wrap this up. You're you need to piss.

1:24:40Stu TXO Yes. Desperately.

1:24:44Rod Palmer Otis Bitmire, 05/2020 says, give me that good old vibes revival. Give me that good old vibes revival. Give me that good old vibes revival. It's good enough for me.

1:24:55Richard Greaser Yeah. Stu Oh, Oh, yeah. Thank you for coming. Go, Piz. We'll finish out the, Thank you. These these are these are paying listeners. We don't wanna rush through it too fast. So

1:25:04Stu TXO Alright. Cheers. I'll see you now. Good point. Thanks, Stu.

1:25:16Richard Greaser Well, thank you, Otis. If your good vibes revival is continuing, it seems like the vibes have been up since since we did this one a few weeks ago. And if you didn't listen,

1:25:31Richard Greaser the second intellectual Silk Road deep dive interview was with Bubba last week, but the first one was with Otis. If you ever listened to that one yet and you like coffee, you probably like that one.

1:25:46Rod Palmer Dude, I just o ordered some, Otis Bittmeyer coffee. Got three bags sitting down in the kitchen. Some good shit. It's like it it's legitimately better coffee.

1:26:03Rod Palmer I think

1:26:04Richard Greaser South Bay to spread with better vibes. Something to be said about good vibe beans. The, area out to you.

1:26:19Rod Palmer BTC on board. One that oh, 1,000 SaaS is great vibes.

1:26:24Richard Greaser Great vibes. Thank you. BTC on board. Maximum Rev Hoddle, 721 SaaS. Every pioneer. A podcaster. That's

1:26:35Rod Palmer right. Dim satoshi 521 says, thank you for your time.

1:26:43Richard Greaser Thank you for the sats. Next one is from Rabbit. I don't know how to pronounce the name. Touch grass. I'm sorry.

1:26:53Rod Palmer It's mister Rabbit.

1:26:55Richard Greaser Mister rep. 500 sets. Yeah. Yeah. Just a use of funky font.

1:27:03Rod Palmer Well, that's like a a Greek letter. So that I don't know which one that is.

1:27:10Richard Greaser I wanna say Greek to me. Yeah. Touch her ass in your bottles forty hours per week.

1:27:22Rod Palmer Oscar Gang, one hundred one sats says we need more women in Tikcoin.

1:27:29Richard Greaser GTC on board. Another 100 sats. Thumbs up. Thumbs up. 100 emoji.

1:27:39Rod Palmer Dave, 100 sats says, what coiners down bad up the pioneers all time vibes? Walker did a big boost for the episode, but it doesn't look like it it went through. Yeah.

1:27:55Richard Greaser Okay. Well, that is the IT gets so if you might have just boosted sometimes you can boost the episode and no comment might have spent out like one of those I don't know but thank you for the people who boosted for that it was

1:28:16Richard Greaser we enjoy it. It's always nice to talk to other Bitcoin podcasters.

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1:31:03Unknown To my door.

1:31:08Kailey Welch Angry faces, angry noise, angry people pointing fingers

1:31:14Unknown at everything but themselves. Why can't they stop and faint?