0:03Richard Greaser Some people call it mindfulness. Some people call it, meditation. Some people call it prayer. Some people,

0:14Richard Greaser they go on walks and they call it clearing their head or they call it the presence or they say, I'm touching grass. But these are all forms of meditation, and it's it's something that not as many most people don't are doing these days where they're not doing enough of it each day. There's so much information,

0:37Richard Greaser so much stimulus from your screens, from the crazy stuff going on in the world, the headlines, the news, the announcements, the situations. And if you wanna start meditating,

0:53Richard Greaser it's something that in order to do it, it takes time. You have to take time to begin to meditate, to begin to do practice mindfulness, to be to to to pray every day. Whatever it is that you're doing, you have to take time. And one of the things that you notice, if you're like me, is when you try to do it,

1:16Richard Greaser all you can think about is the time. Like, that is there's a million, I guess, things you can I guess the point of sometimes meditation is to not focus on anything, and sometimes it's to focus intensely on something and and and think about it? But when you're meditating, your damn damn time is going by so slow right now when I'm doing these other things, when my mind is busy, when the world is busy and things are going crazy, the time seems like it's flat, like flying by. In fact, time feels like it's flying by faster and faster, every day.

1:51Richard Greaser But that that thoughtfulness that when you start thinking about time, you realize time itself is a huge radical. And today, we're talking to the meditation man, the man who built the time chain calendar, the, like, the guy who makes, you know, the digital Bitcoin watches, some people call it fountain.

2:17Richard Greaser The the shy I think he's a shaman. He's like a he's like a time shaman. It's TC. How are you doing today? TC, you are the most credentialed washtmaker in all the Bitcoin space. It's great to have you on.

2:34Rod Palmer Meditation is incredibly important because in many ways, it's a way to integrate the experiences that you the knowledge that you learn from forty hours Bitcoin podcast a week. Is that what you're trying to communicate with your username meditation? Is that why you've gotten into meditation is just seeing the importance of

2:60Rod Palmer integrating the, the knowledge that you've learned from listening to podcasts?

3:07TC I think without a doubt that my early discovery of Bitcoin and really falling into the rabbit hole, that that whole experience could be described as meditation where I was just watching so many podcasts

3:24TC and having so many conversations with so many people about those podcasts, discovering deeper understanding gaining more conviction in Bitcoin.

3:39TC That's the path. That is the meditation.

3:43Richard Greaser Some people some people like the when they're driving their car, they they're singing in their car, or they'll they'll sing in the shower, they'll just be like singing while they're mowing the lawn, but some people, they they have they have Bitcoin podcasts in the shower. They do Bitcoin podcasts in their car with themselves or with their mowing the lawn. Do you ever do that? Do you ever, do you have like a little, one on like a playing a podcast

4:13Richard Greaser in your head while you're you're doing new daily tasks, like, the meditative while you're carrying what's the what's the quote where I, like, carry in a bucket of water, every day before enlightenment and after enlightenment?

4:28TC Yeah. I mean, podcasts while you work, podcasts while you're, cooking, washing dishes, gardening, taking the kid to school.

4:42TC It's a it's a it's a constant. It's that focus. That focus is very important, especially early early in your journey.

4:54Rod Palmer So you create a time chain calendar. That's what you're known for. So you're familiar with building these web applications. Do do you see the have you seen anybody create a Bitcoin meditation

5:12Rod Palmer app yet? And have you seen any Bitcoin meditations out there?

5:23TC No. But, I'm gonna start vibe coding that while we proceed with the rest of the, the recording here.

5:31Rod Palmer I I will say I had this one experience one time where I was in a, sauna with some people, and they put on some Michael Sailor PLEBSLAW breathing exercises. And it was one of the most they they actually went through and they created a a pepslab meditation track. It took me by surprise.

5:56TC Yeah. I mean, people people are gonna need to calm down because, sometimes they get a little bit too excited. Sometimes they jump the gun. You know? The world doesn't always,

6:11TC cooperate. So there's always a need, I think. It's a chaotic world. Right? I think we need more relaxation, especially in Bitcoin.

6:23TC It's a high stress world.

6:26Richard Greaser It is a high stress world sometimes, right? Or it also could depend on your perspective. Do you you know, one of the big causes of stress in much much of the community a few years ago was it was, you know, people like us to take away men and millions more like him. They were worried that people were not

6:47Richard Greaser they were really a fool that were in by XRP, they were not realizing Ethereum was a shit coin. They were worried about like the bankless guys and these other guys who would constantly tease them and troll them and say that there was gonna be a flip fling or they would say that XRP was going to $10 and like it was just this massive stress like we have to we have to teach everybody it's Bitcoin not crypto. In Swan, they they stole tweet 16 times a day. And and it does seem like, you know,

7:17Richard Greaser Bitcoin had had clearly want it clearly transcended the rest of crypto. The meme coins were just making a making a fool of the rest of the industry. But then AI has come along, and AI is now the new, like, it's the new, shiny technology for the future. And it's all the Bitcoin miner it's stealing all Bitcoin miners, like, all their all all the people who wanna mine, all the guys who,

7:49Richard Greaser understand how to, like, build the infrastructure and run these compute facilities, they're all going to do AI compute. They're pivoting from Bitcoin mining to AI GPU. And then all the content creators are starting to kinda go down the path of, like, exploring like, hey, it's you I can make a podcast about AI or with AI or I can talk about this or that. Everybody's focused on AI now. And in like they're they're punishing crypto and Bitcoin conversations on the algorithms of social media. And honestly if you if you were to go and check the vibe right now there's a lot of people who are saying or observing, noticing wherever you want it's

8:27Richard Greaser the only time about Bitcoin or everybody's talking about AI or the situation that you got situation going on we get to that shortly. So the stress is back because I use Bitcoin to lose to AI or it's like it's AI is more popular, it's more pretty, but is I personally take it down as a a false, like, dichotomy is like not one versus the other because, Vibe Coding is awesome,

8:58Richard Greaser AI music is fun as hell, is fun to you. I mean, there's so many tools you can, like, generate pictures of people in bikinis, you know, on with rock in like two seconds, Gemini is yet faster, like, what's your what's your take on this like this Bitcoin versus AI? Are you embracing

9:18Richard Greaser AI? Are you using AI to build more time chain calendars?

9:26TC Yeah. I mean, that's that's really, that's the cutting edge. Everyone knows Cloud Code is all up in their feed. That's that's the latest experience. No. But, really, every everyone who who does any kind of code, I think, has some experience with

9:47TC the benefits of AI as a as a coding tool. And and there's two sides to that. You know, you're gonna have all kinds of plebs, vibe coding, all kinds of, things they imagine should should be there with Bitcoin. And on the other hand, don't you have to consider, if if AI thinks that, you know, like like, where AI places its importance on the monetary aspects of Bitcoin when when Core is using it. You know? You have to consider both sides.

10:23Rod Palmer The, filter debate has really died down, and, I think one thing that's apparent is that Udi and his spam probably wasn't that significant of a threat to the survival of Bitcoin. But

10:42Rod Palmer one thing that is not yet fully realized is the threat of an army of vibe coding plebs to the Bitcoin network with all their, you know, machinations of, you know, be being able to potentially conjure, you know, other sort of, you know, spam like the, you know, it's not fair to to compare Cardano

11:05Rod Palmer and Bitcoin to each other, but a Vibe coding plat was able to completely derail the Cardano network for a bit. And, Charles Hoskinson wanted to, to prosecute. That was his solution to it. But do you like, what do you think the dangers of Vibe Coding plebs? What what type of messes could they be creating going into the future? Is that a threat?

11:34TC Yeah. I I mean, it's a it's a threat to Bitcoin for sure. We're gonna have all kinds of insecure wallets. I guarantee it. There'll be people losing their keys because of some vibe coded things. I think it's more important than ever to, not trust and verify. You have to really do your research on the tools you're using because I think we are gonna see an explosion of more apps and, I think wallets especially, that's that's dangerous. You know? And then there's the whole, world of different

12:06TC clients, different Bitcoin,

12:11Richard Greaser implementations. Are gonna be Vibe, coding, Nostra clients, for sure. And those, they're just gonna have terrible UX. Woah.

12:22TC Well, hopefully, the the AI is gonna help with that too. I I think it's I think it's gonna be a really interesting time because things are gonna move really quickly, but,

12:33Richard Greaser Well, it it the so I think the the the bib the slot fork, as I like to call it, by Dake and Ohm, is a really good example. Greaser, he brought up the the Vibe Coded app by the pleb on Cardano. I think firstly that there is nothing more dangerous than a Vibe Coded Pleb. The other day

12:58Richard Greaser you may recognize, Justin Bachelor, I don't know if you if you follow him but he said that Chad GDP 5.2 is a Toyota Camry and Claude Opus 4.5 is a Porsche nine eleven GT3 RS and my I had quotes with you I said,

13:15Richard Greaser what you need to take away from this is that if you were Plaid that you had no business driving a Porsche nine eleven. If you're in Plaid you need to stay away from flawed, no vibe coating, there there's just too much there's too much that the clips can break if there's sound or do it when it comes to the Toyota Camry. Yes. Stick to Toyota Camry. Use JATGBT to to

13:39Richard Greaser learn to learn, and Claude is for building in Ed Plebser already.

13:46TC Yeah. I I mean, it's a it's a real issue of staying humble and stacking sats or slopping out and, vibing your code too much. You know what they say if you vibe your code too much.

13:60Rod Palmer We we've seen this this massive shift that, you know, AI is kind of on the I don't think it's been hardly realized. People are still experimenting with what to do with it and how to integrate it into their lives and their businesses. But,

14:23Rod Palmer you know, one one thing that's clear is is many of the world's best software engineers are too autistic to understand user experience, but they they do know how to make secure systems. Right? And this has been a constant challenge.

14:45Rod Palmer The the plebs understand good UX, and they demand good UX. And they they will look at a secure application, they'll turn their nose up to it. If they can't if if the color scheme isn't right, if if it isn't you know, because it they're sitting there

15:03Rod Palmer and they're on these applications just consuming pep slop. Like, they they have brain rot in their brains. And then if application doesn't make sense to them, they're they're going to, and it's not easy. They're not gonna wanna use it. Right?

15:25Rod Palmer So, you know, there's this really real potential is that you've got all these unsecured wallets with incredible UX and secure wallets with bad UX. What is a way you think the the Bitcoin ecosystem can combat this and and teach the autists good UX? And and, like, is this what the whole spam debate has been at at its core?

15:52Rod Palmer Is that the core devs are too autistic to give the plugs the UX that they want.

15:58TC Wow. That's deep. I I mean, this sounds to me like the the podcasters have to really help clarify. I mean, because if if not them, who else? They they need to help the plebs clear some of this up.

16:16TC It's just the facts. Not not every everyone's gonna be able to read the code and verify it. You you need your kind of, technical, translator, let's say, that can translate from the the code to the

16:35TC the spoken language. But that's where the that's where the social code of of Bitcoin lies, don't you think?

16:45Richard Greaser Well, potentially, Ed, but I my question is, and it is a real question to is open to both of you is, are we not learning that

17:01Richard Greaser bad UX is the security feature? If it has a good UX, the players will be farting around, picking their boaters, using it, looking to plimsoap on the app, using the app for whatever zapping, that's why they love like, WALZ, Satoshi, not a secure app, they love Ledger, not a secure, it's all, but those have great user experiences

17:23Richard Greaser but something with a bad user experience like, you know, Electrum or some would say Sparrow or Colt Card

17:34Richard Greaser or these more secure time tested systems they have bad UX and so hackers, you bad actors, they're not gonna take the time

17:50Richard Greaser to to sift through the headache of user experience that is required to to exploit vulnerabilities. They're gonna go with the good you act, the shiny lights where the, you know, the ADIT plugs are just running around,

18:09Richard Greaser you know, with their freaking greasy tallow hair, and they're just they're just gonna it's like stealing candy from baby because they're the good UX is a security flaw.

18:20TC Yeah. I never thought about it that way. I mean, you know, the the the ledgers and and those type of hardware devices are are pretty slick. You know, you can wear them around your neck. You can wear them on a hat.

18:36TC And and I I think more people are getting, getting held up with those. It's true. You know, this is the this is the the the fine line that the the people building have to carefully navigate. And it does take years of experience to to get the right, right approach. The, the Vibe Coder doesn't necessarily have that. Right?

19:01TC And neither does the AI.

19:03Richard Greaser Right. If you're a builder, an entrepreneur, if you wanna make money, if you wanna sell a lot of, you know, hardware wallets, you wanna sell a lot of software licenses, it has to have a good user experience and bad security because not only does the value of your system, the value

19:23Richard Greaser of, a product you're making comes from its I mean, who were the first adopters of most new products anyway, hackers, scammers, the black market, whatever it is. And then if you really wanna scale, if you really wanna go public and and have a a very successful business, it has to be it has to be back be able to be backed or by talent here or the government or, like, you know, a Pegasus,

19:52Richard Greaser system. Otherwise, you know, what value does it have?

19:57TC Yeah, man.

20:00Rod Palmer You stomped them. So, TC, are you familiar with, this term called, CHAT GPT psychosis? Have you seen this?

20:12TC I believe so. What's your version of it?

20:16Rod Palmer Well, I I I started interacting with it, you know, my my first case of somebody that I I know personally or, actually, second case. I've known a few people, but it they they they they find that ChattCPT will glaze them no matter what they say and how outrageous it is.

20:39Rod Palmer And I I almost wonder if Mike Brock is suffering from CHAT c CHAT GPT psychosis right now. Like, he he displays a lot of the characterizations of it, which is just this, complete disconnect from reality where

20:58Rod Palmer they become consumed by the chatbot.

21:05TC Like it's glazing him too much. You're you're absolutely right, Brock. That's brilliant, Brock.

21:13Richard Greaser Is it is this is this what you're talking about? It is. Mike brought his it seems I I can't diagnose him. Seems kinda like a narcissist, and Chad G. B. T. Is just glazing

21:28Richard Greaser Mike and and glazing his narcissism and feeding into his like inflated sense of self worth. I was do his, UI stream today a little bit till I get emergency live stream or something,

21:41Richard Greaser and he just kept he he he was just the way he was talking, he was just, like, impressed with his himself and, like, his own word, the word vocabulary that he would use

21:55Richard Greaser and a I he would, like, imagine his audience, like, what he what they must think about his writing. He's like, you folks you should get, your media and your journalism and your information from more sources I appreciate that,

22:14Richard Greaser that you all find me so intelligent and think that I'm the most important source of, of information, but you have to get it from other sources. Like, Mike, I don't think a single person has said that to you or, like, there's nobody in the comments saying that. It's just like this crazy inflated self worth, and I think chat GTT

22:36Richard Greaser feeds

22:37TC that. Yeah. I mean, it's a real danger because what people may not be conscious of is they're they're really anthropomorphizing

22:50TC this technology. They they really take it to heart that it's a it's kind of a person there, and they develop relationships with it. And and sometimes, that can get out of hand.

23:03Richard Greaser Some people fall on. I would shout GBT.

23:06TC Absolutely. I mean, that that can mess with people's heads in a variety of ways. So I I think this is a real concern just, society wide at this stage.

23:17Rod Palmer Have you have you seen, you know, personally, any examples of this?

23:25TC I mean, I I've definitely seen a lot of people let the the AI art go to their head. I I remember when, it you couldn't open up Twitter without getting just a a whole feed full of AI

23:45TC sailor slop photos. I I mean, that was it felt like a whole year. That's all we were seeing. And, I know a lot of people lost their minds during that time. Like, that's a fact.

23:57Richard Greaser Does the Genesis Plebslop was the sailor AI art?

24:03TC Yeah. I think my favorite was when he is driving a race car because he's talking about one of his products being a race car, and he he, of course, has no helmet in the picture. And that was the irony for me.

24:17Richard Greaser And then there was, remember, the studio, Ghibli, so I was making, like, anime versions of themselves. People five's capital. Vibes Capital, like, they IPO'd,

24:29Richard Greaser so to speak, you know, in the paper Bitcoin summer early days off of those, off of those anime pictures. There there was, like, 70 people from Vibes Capital. And they all had those that make it almost getting in in in in in yeah. Did you did you do one of those? Did you do one of the

24:51TC one of the Studio Ghibli's? Oh, the Studio Ghibli ones? I I had to have done one or two. I think I I told it to make my avatar into a Studio Ghibli type and mixed results. You know? Actually, that that one didn't bother me so much. I I wouldn't have mind if that that trend lasted longer than some other other AI trends.

25:15Richard Greaser What is the one that you hate the most? What's the one that drives you crazy in either you hope it goes away forever or you just hope it, like, nothing like that ever comes back?

25:25TC Well, I and I'm already sick of what is the tap the the post to see four pictures stacked on top of each other.

25:32Richard Greaser Okay. That's bad.

25:34TC It's horrendous. It's you can feel the brain cells dying every time you see it.

25:43Richard Greaser So there is, like go ahead.

25:46Rod Palmer Sorry. I wanna I wanna talk about Sailor Slop. I'm, I'm scrolling his Twitter right now. He's got a picture of him, kicking a soccer ball. It says team Bitcoin, and it has 17,000

26:03Rod Palmer likes.

26:06TC Oh, just wait. Isn't the World Cup coming up? Expect a lot of sailors soccer memes.

26:12Rod Palmer He's he's got he's got a picture of, like, an orange with a Bitcoin logo cut into it, And it says eat real food, and it has 13,000

26:23TC likes made one day. That's his, that's his, new hot food pyramid meme. Didn't they just come out with the new food pyramid? See, he's he's right on top of this. He has an army Yep. Of meme creators. Right? Because I noticed he's tagging or or or the a lot of the the pictures he takes and posts are from other people's

26:46TC posts. So there's sort of a it's like a it's like a little intern squad of, of people generating these things for him. You know, it it actually kinda makes you wonder what's what that's gonna look like ten years from now. You know?

27:05TC The cult of sailor.

27:07Richard Greaser Right. And I I don't think it's always been as obvious or maybe he just started tagging, but he's always had an army of, like, he's a he's a little pub slop interns,

27:23Richard Greaser and they always make him, you know, look like a muscular, super badass, like alpha, like superheroes, soccer players, something like that. But it's you're right. It's, like, whatever is trending or, like, something very in vogue, in the plot or, you know, slop timeline.

27:46Richard Greaser He incorporates it, and he sees it right on top of it. Like, it's everywhere. The they're like, he said, 13,000. Like, who yeah. It makes you wonder who's liking this.

27:59TC Someone should make, a meme of sailor as the Iranian woman who's, like, lighting the cigarette, but the photo's not the Ayatollah. It's, like, plebs, and he's, like, lighting the cigarette from the the picture.

28:14Richard Greaser I'm doing that right now.

28:17TC You're welcome.

28:19Richard Greaser So one thing you mentioned earlier is, spaces. You were going through your meditation your meditative journey of the podcasts,

28:34Richard Greaser the conversations about the podcast on spaces and spaces used to be daily Bitcoin spaces

28:44Richard Greaser a few years ago. That used to be the hottest thing in town. Everybody was on there, the rooms were huge, there were competing spaces, some people called it the the house siders like the the whole the antisocial meme gang autistic kids they called it the cartel.

29:02Richard Greaser The cartel was controlling spaces and it's it seems like that community has shrunk it's it's shrunk very dramatically this very small group and it's not even really that Bitcoin only lately and it's just a lot of angry plaids who, have Joe Carlazar derangement syndrome and they're trying to battle with him, overdoomerism versus optimism

29:26Richard Greaser and that's like all that's left, like, am I wrong? Am I missing something? What did what was your experience on spaces and, like, what's happened to it?

29:36TC Well, Bitcoin has itself gone on its own journey the last couple years, straying into Wall Street territory and a whole bunch of new people with a whole different orientation

29:53TC have come in. So naturally, there's a whole shift in the focus of the spaces instead of talking about how to run your node and how to optimize your coin control. It's it's a lot more of discussion of the the various flavored offerings that are from Michael Saylor's taco stand or

30:16TC all the whole buffet of ETFs and other derivatives. It's, I mean, there's a lot of people who sure do find a lot of stuff to talk about that is just adjacent to biz Bitcoin at best and not and not even. And so, yeah, I'd I'd like to hear more about coin control in spaces. I think the people that stuck around are

30:42TC all so familiar with one another that, there's just a lot of bullshitting going on most of the time. And, real Bitcoin discussion is is it really is few and far between. It it's just speaks to where we are.

31:00TC I don't know. I think that everybody's gonna have reasons to care a little bit more about self custody and how to use Bitcoin correctly.

31:14TC But so many people have so much more work to do to learn that stuff. I don't I don't know if spaces is the go to place anymore for that.

31:25Richard Greaser The

31:29Rod Palmer I think the information channels that people are interacting and learning about Bitcoin are changing. I I just got on TikTok this week, and I was shocked by how much content is on there. There's all these these separate areas. It it seems like a lot of Bitcoin people have kind of, gone into self self exile on Nostr.

31:58Rod Palmer So there's, like, a group of individuals that have done that. But, it sounds like what you're saying is there there's been a group of people that were excited about educating the uninitiated no coin or plebs

32:15Rod Palmer into becoming, full coin or plebs, and, they kinda got bored with it. Is that that what you saw? And then and then what has happened is the people that are excited about educating the no coin or no coin or plaives are trying to make sure that we have paper Bitcoin summer this upcoming year.

32:39TC Yeah. A lot of that. A lot of that's been going on. It it's, it it reminds you, you know, said by a lot of people. It's not really a community, is it?

32:54Richard Greaser But it felt like one. Right? At at at one point in time. I think there's a

33:00TC there's a part of the journey where that's the that's a natural thing because you discover all these new people, and you you find some some, some people that, you know, maybe don't think you're so crazy. And, it's natural to wanna form a community with those people. It's natural to be gravitated in that direction.

33:24TC At a certain point, a lot of people just have to, do other stuff with their time. But that's an interesting phenomenon to watch as well as we go forward. I think that's gonna be interesting to see what that looks like a few years

33:42TC from now because I I think you you have a you have a a lot of plebs still trying to find the signal. There there is an awful lot of noise. But,

33:56TC again, you know, everyone's just trying to find that signal. I'm trying to put a a little signal of my own, and, I think that's what a handful of people are are still interested in.

34:13TC But I think you're gonna see a resurgence of it. You know, the the the real the real catalyst for all of that is number go up. So I think the next time we we really pump, you get some new life, you get some new energy, you get some new people coming in, and, the people that are there

34:35TC get a little lift in their step.

34:38Rod Palmer So every everybody likes to debate about the cycles. You know, Marty Bent called it. He said this time was different. It has been very different in a lot of ways. I think it's been different than, you know, how Marty anticipated it because his macro takes are kinda on par with just the average club out there. But,

35:02Rod Palmer what do you think is gonna lead to the pump? Is it where I think we all know the God announcement has to predate the, the God candle. David Bailey was, you know, trying to pull off the God announcement, you know, multiple times by, you know, really trying to cater to Donald Trump. It he failed over and over again. He just God did not look

35:30Rod Palmer shine his light fondly on David Bailey. What do you think the god announcement will be that will lead to the the god candle?

35:41TC I think you're gonna you're gonna have to wait for one of these big tech companies to make a big splash or one of these big powerful nations in the world making a big splash, but I don't think we're gonna see that in the next couple years.

36:03TC I think it's really it it's one of these things where don't you think the the max pain is kinda just crabby, choppy sideways, slight drift upward over the next couple years? And all the people who think it's gonna go to the moon kinda lose it, and all the people that think that it's gonna crash out lose it. I think that's

36:26TC that's kind of the the most ironic and appropriate outcome for the the end of the the four year cycle expectation because that sure seems like what we've got. We we ended up with green, green, red instead of green, green, green. And, so just based on that alone,

36:46TC but at the same time, I look at look at what we've got. We've got this beautiful crab market that is just the perfect answer to both the bulls and the bears. And anyone who's expecting too much

37:01TC too quickly, I think is gonna be disappointed.

37:06Richard Greaser Like the core the crab market makes the bulls and the bears both incredibly grumpy, and they're just crash out less than right on the timeline.

37:18TC Yeah. It's a beautiful thing. I think that's, something I got used to last year. Last year was a a very crabby year, and, and and you you witnessed everyone get sorta ahead of their skis.

37:34TC The bears got way ahead of their skis. The bulls got ahead of their skis, and and and now everyone's gonna continue to wait high anxiety. Every time we move up, every time we move down, you're gonna get the same fake outs. It's an emotional roller coaster. Again, people should be staring at podcasts instead of

37:57TC the price chart or time chain calendar. Either would be acceptable.

38:03Rod Palmer A lot of lot of opportunity to meditate. Yeah. I mean, it's I think one of the challenges so it it seems like crash outs are happening all time highs everywhere, not just in this, bubble of the world

38:25Rod Palmer where people talk about Internet money. But, you know, outside of this little bubble, people are crashing out left and right, just nosedives. They are not prepared for the fourth turning. Do you feel like you've prepared how have you prepared to handle the chaos, and how are you maintaining your your sanity without crashing out on a day to day basis?

38:54TC Well, I I try to focus on the people that matter most, my family. But

39:06TC as far as the the fourth turning, you know, this is this is something we we don't know what exactly is gonna occur. And and you can prepare. You can you can acquire firearms and water filters and

39:26TC gas masks and stores of food and you know? You could have any of these things or all of them. You could learn how to grow your own food. I mean, that is the mission after all. Right? Self sufficiency and and sovereignty

39:43TC in uncertain times. But, you know, my my, my perspective tells me that, people have been feeling this kind of dread and uncertainty

40:01TC in nearly every generation before us. So that's part of the experience too. You know? At a certain point, you have to be a man and and face whatever cards you're dealt. So I think,

40:18TC that's the calling of Bitcoin is to prepare your mind and orient towards sovereignty and try to create as many solutions for potential uncertainties as you can

40:33TC knowing that the future is chaotic and uncertain. It's a beautiful thing to meditate on.

40:42Richard Greaser So part of the reason for all the crash outs, part of the reason for all the anxiety, part of losing for all the dread is at least, you know, I think

40:55Richard Greaser due to all of the situations that everybody has to monitor. And then, you know, for some people, it's just all the the situations they are monitoring, like, is it's just nonstop, seems like bad news,

41:12Richard Greaser scary news. It you know, what were the implications and consequences? It's like these these these situations are accelerating. But it begs the question, is monitoring the situation meditating?

41:30TC I don't I don't know if that's true for everyone. I think sometimes monitoring the situation can create a lot of a a lot of dissonance and a lot of noise and drive you crazy in a in a undesirable way.

41:50TC I I think, again, that's that's that's the call to the the signal to counteract the noise or cut through the noise because, everyone can only handle so much. It's just like all the the market expectations that drive people crazy. I think most of the crash outs we we see are simply because people

42:12TC make bad decisions in their trading, and they end up on the wrong side of things. And they, become hopeless and crash out. You

42:24TC you you've got to learn that HODLing your Bitcoin is the answer to all that stress. Right? You gotta learn that you you can't time the market. You have to hang on and and gain the conviction. I say it all the time. You your your knowledge

42:47TC is really the corollary to to your conviction, and, that's why you gotta watch your forty hours. That's why you have to study.

42:59TC You've gotta you've gotta focus on the signal. You've gotta stay focused so that you can learn what you need to learn

43:09TC and gain your conviction and withstand these uncertain times and not crash out. And then then you're gonna make it.

43:21Richard Greaser The you know, you you if you've mentioned, like, the people who made bad trading decisions, and you you we talked about spaces already. It it seems like you interacts with more often and or maybe you're more part of the world or at least used to be, like, with these traders, but, like, the people who think that they are clever, they think that they've got a good idea. They've been probably getting glazed by Shashi DT, and they're going

43:49Richard Greaser in putting too much money into a paper Bitcoin treasury company or a Bitcoin miner, and they're trading the momentum and then, like, this goes bad quickly or it can go bad quickly sometimes, and, it's causing them to crash out. So I don't know about Richard, but, like, in my experience, like, my interactions, I am

44:12Richard Greaser more talking to you and like interacting with people who they're not really traders they did take the advice that you gave which is you know listen to podcasts, stay humble, stacks ads, gain the information, the conviction, and they they they do they did do that,

44:32Richard Greaser and they thought that because they did that, that because they did the right thing, they or they followed the the the template that you laid out, They thought that after one or two side holes, if they did that, their life was gonna be great, they're gonna be wealthy, they're gonna be able to buy chairs again,

44:52Richard Greaser they're gonna be able to go pop Carvana and buy their car back that they sold for sets at the top in 2021. He thought that, they're gonna have way more time and everybody will still afford a house even though they said the real estate was a shitcoin on Spaces or Twitter the years prior and they take out to where they are now and they're not, their wives are not, all their problems are fixed

45:17Richard Greaser and they're not as happy as they thought they would be and ask why they're crashing out. Is this just a is this a lower your time preference scenario, or is there is this a deeper problem?

45:32TC I mean, you you can never lower your time preference enough. All all these forces are causing you to have a higher time preference and get more anxiety and greater expectations, and that's the root of all the problems.

45:50TC You know? I I think, I think it's a real important, counterbalance to keep yourself sane,

46:01TC to keep it simple, and stay humble and stack sets. That's that's really the only way to go. The treasury company thing is is just a outrageous gamble, and somehow that got

46:15TC sort of accepted for a summer as, you know, the way to go to to accelerate and amplify your

46:27TC Bitcoin ascent. And, a lot of people got wrecked, and they they they fucked around and they found out. They learned the hard way again. This is the the journey.

46:42TC It's, stepping off of that path and stepping onto a path of focus and patience and,

46:54TC you know, filling your time with learning and your forty hours.

47:02Rod Palmer Well, you know, the like, to to be fair about paper Bitcoin, there are a lot of people out there that are just paper people in general. Like, they, like, they like paper assets. All the assets they own are are paper, essentially. They have paper dollars. They've got paper, stocks. They've got, you know,

47:23Rod Palmer they they like to trade the the paper gold and and silver stocks. You know, they they come into the Bitcoin world and they they start hearing about paper Bitcoin. And they're like, wow. Paper Bitcoin fixes paper assets.

47:40Rod Palmer And, like, a lot of lot of Bitcoin people that historically have gotten very excited about it, you know, they they're more like a a hard asset type people. Like, they like, their sovereignty, they're a little bit more predisposed. But the paper Bitcoin people, they they like to have their hand held for them

48:01Rod Palmer to a certain degree. They're just they're cut from a different cloth.

48:07TC Yeah. But they got wrecked.

48:10Rod Palmer But but but that's Not the pipe investors.

48:13TC I mean, you know, I mean, like, we unfortunately have, you know, at least seven, eight months or a year of history to look at now.

48:25TC And some of these things have just imploded, and they've been you know, it's fine if your if your orientation

48:34TC is towards paper. But I think it's hard to ignore the results at this point. And what of the broken promise? I mean, it's great if the paper

48:48TC solves the problem that the Bitcoin solves, but the paper doesn't solve that problem. And, I think they were able to to sort of spin that narrative.

49:01TC I don't know if if that works anymore. I think we would have to see a a whole paper spring revival in order to reassess that. I think it's it's pretty it's pretty nuked at this point, isn't it? But why are you criticizing

49:19Rod Palmer companies that are buying Bitcoin, not the ones that don't?

49:24TC Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm not criticizing the companies that buy Bitcoin. I I just think that it's kinda silly to buy the stocks of those companies. So, you know, that's that's where where plebs get burned.

49:39Richard Greaser Boys, you know, this is what the plebs need to learn. Right? Is and one of my my AI slop hit songs this summer was, was called Paper Made Men.

49:54Richard Greaser And it is plebs are are following people like Michael Sailor, people like David Daley, who are paper made men. They

50:07Richard Greaser are they have achieved the status, the wealth, the power, everything that they've got today. You pay for games through, paper assets

50:21Richard Greaser and trading paper, cooking the books. You you you pay for this paper, not paper over their problems. And so that's like that is it worked for them to a certain extent. They they obviously, you know, sailors billionaires got the most Bitcoin as anybody. The plebs were like, I'm gonna follow that same path. Instead Instead of glazing their own trail, becoming pioneers,

50:48Richard Greaser they tried to follow in this footsteps of paper made men, and they are finding out that they're just not cut from you know, they're just not cut out to be paper made then that sells. And they let you know how many of those people do you think are gonna

51:06TC how how many of those men do you think are gonna find their way to to learning coin control and running a node?

51:15Richard Greaser Golden g none of them. They're you they usually crash out or get rug pulled and go broke before they ever get to that point.

51:22Rod Palmer They're they're just paper plebs at the end of the day. They they prefer the paper assets over real hard assets.

51:30Richard Greaser As their responsibility comes with it, they don't have to learn coming control, they don't have to worry about, oh, I gotta consolidate my UTXO. They don't have to worry about, oh, do I run knots or do I run core? I think glory is hot, but I think spam is bad. I I have to make a decision here. Oh, great. I downloaded core b 30, and now if I don't up, you know, I I might lose I might lose my wallet. It's just so it's scary, it's a lot of responsibility, it's a lot of personal responsibility, it's a lot of self awareness required and you've got to understand

52:04Richard Greaser your cognitive and, your abilities to to solve the and navigate the terrible UX of any secure system that we talked about earlier.

52:17Richard Greaser You gotta worry about privacy. You gotta worry about I mean, the list goes on with paper Bitcoin, you just gotta go on the Robinhood, search for MSTR, and then hit why.

52:32TC Yeah. I mean, it's compelling. That's some pretty good UX. But, I I I mean, it's it's it's where I wonder if the paper Bitcoin is a is a threat to to Bitcoin because how many of these paper plebs

52:51TC are gonna get wrecked and then leave Bitcoin altogether where

52:59TC if we didn't have the paper Bitcoin, those people might have found real Bitcoin instead and not gotten wrecked.

53:08Rod Palmer Well, this is this this is why Albus Huxley's Brave New World is such a good book. Right? Is because the way Orwellian totalitarian control comes into existence is through good UX, through convenience,

53:25Rod Palmer through pleasure. And the the Paper Bitcoin is the, the good UX.

53:32Richard Greaser Right? It's Soma. Right? It's the Paper Bitcoin is the Soma, and but maybe you made the you you asked a question that it makes me wonder if paper Bitcoin is a but you say a threat for, you know, for Bitcoin. And I think

53:51Richard Greaser there's a compelling argument for or against that being true or not, but it kinda really depends on the framing of the conversation. Would you if you were to say that, you think it might be a threat. Like, but how do you define, like, a threat to what? A threat to Bitcoin, how? Are there to Bitcoin, like, we just yeah. We we used to say that the shit coins

54:15TC would, you know, take people away from take a certain number of, eyeballs away from Bitcoin that,

54:25TC if the shit coins weren't around, there would be more participants in the Bitcoin space. So now maybe, especially after a year of

54:37TC a crab market, we can we can look back and we can say, okay. This overlaps with the paper Bitcoin summer. And is it possible that the paper Bitcoin summer is partly

54:52TC to blame for the crab market and that the real the price of Bitcoin, which is determined by people buying and selling on order books and exchanges, It's not the treasury companies buying over the counter, that maybe there's a correlation there. And so

55:15TC it's not that it's a threat. It's just put it on the giant pile of things that are an attack on Bitcoin. You know? Distraction.

55:24Richard Greaser It's a distraction.

55:25TC I mean, the money badger doesn't really care. But well, that's active attacks on Bitcoin.

55:32Richard Greaser So, yeah, it's it's almost like the way that y'all hear people describe it because people will argue with you, and they'll say, well, no. That's not the reason for the crab market. Or it's the reason that the the volatility to the downside wasn't worse

55:49Richard Greaser this time around is because of paper Bitcoin. And it and it sounds it is they remind me of the people who were big. You know, they they bought into the hype, and they were big advocates for the the jab. And then when it turned out to be a big nothing burger, it didn't really gave us it was, at at best, worthless, at at worst,

56:11Richard Greaser very very harmful. But they'll say, wow. You know, if I if I I got the booster. So, like, it it it means that I didn't die. It could have been worse. And it's like there's they say they all paid for Bitcoin, prevented the downside from being worse because there were so many Treasury companies just buying every single thing.

56:32TC I I'm I'm not gonna discount that theory. I think that's actually a pretty a pretty compelling theory. Crab market it is. Max Payne, I told you guys. We need more crab market memes, and and we need to be talking more about coin control.

56:52Rod Palmer We're just in a very different economic time than I think we've been in in Bitcoin's history where I I don't think the Pleiades have ever been in our lifetimes in a in a rougher spot. Like, they they had to make the decision, many of them,

57:10Rod Palmer this Christmas on whether they were gonna buy Christmas presents or they're were gonna be able to afford their taxes. And that was a pretty tough decision, you know, that many of the clubs made. Like, they they are not sitting around, you know, bored, smash buying, posting their stack chain post anymore because they they're slaving away you know, some of them are driving Uber after working eight, nine hours a day to be able to afford their taxes.

57:42Rod Palmer It's a very different economic time for sure.

57:47TC Well, I I it's undoubtably undoubtedly the the your dollar buys you less Bitcoin now. So you you can stack less. And, the cost of living is relentless. It just keeps going on. My I don't even wanna tell you how much I paid per pound for my rib eye last time.

58:10TC You know? It's, it's brutal out here in California. But, basically, you you gotta do what you gotta do. Some people gotta, you know, drive the Ubers, and, other people are

58:26TC are vibe coding, trying to strike it rich with a vibe coded app. It's, it's tough times. So you're right. I think this is new territory for a lot of people. I I think

58:40TC that we're gonna be going into a worse economy, so so buckle up. Stay humble. Buckle up.

58:51Rod Palmer Well, you know, the the plugs are gonna have to figure out. So, you know, we're really on this precipice, I think, of self driving vehicles becoming proliferated. Like, you already see the Waymos driving around in certain places. It you know, what are they gonna do if, you know, they they they get off work, they've been working full time, and they can't drive Uber anymore because they have a self driving car doing it. Like, how are they gonna afford their tax and what's gonna be the fallout of this? What are the plums gonna do?

59:25Rod Palmer They're probably not gonna listen to Bitcoin podcast. They they just bought their paper Bitcoin. Paper Bitcoin summer ends next summer with just like a just a collapse into paper Bitcoin fall and winter, what are the plugs gonna do?

59:45TC Clearly, I think it's about prediction markets. I think prediction markets are the next attack on Bitcoin podcasts. And, that's about people's predictions gonna be

59:57Richard Greaser What about prediction markets built on Bitcoin?

1:00:02TC Well, let's see it. I mean

1:00:05Richard Greaser Critics.

1:00:07TC You you you've got to, No KYC? You you've gotta just ask Claude Code nicely.

1:00:14Richard Greaser Well, let's one ex one exists. Yeah.

1:00:17Rod Palmer I I think the the the, the prediction markets are are, like, the best thing that would ever could ever happen to podcasters

1:00:29Richard Greaser And and podcasting is generally sponsor they're gonna sponsor a lot of podcast.

1:00:34Rod Palmer Well, it's it's it's not even about them sponsoring podcasts. It's it's the podcasters using them, you know, because the podcasters that that actually have signal and actually know what's going on in the world are gonna be able to make money off of these prediction markets. Right? All their all their macro insights that they got, they're gonna apply it to actual bats. And so instead of needing, a KYC Bitcoin exchange to sponsor you, you you kind of earn money by actually having alpha.

1:01:02TC Right? Like betting over under how many times Coin Control is mentioned in the podcast?

1:01:08Richard Greaser That could be one of them. It's it's it's it's it used to be the Gancy Pelosi, congress, senators, they had the inside information,

1:01:20Richard Greaser the privileged position to be able to inside or trade, and they've made fortunes off of it. If you listen forty hours per week, you can, it feels, you feel like you could predict the future because you start to see things form and happen and you're like, oh, I know how this is gonna play out. And so now podcasters or podcast listeners are able to inside trade and use prediction markets to to make money because they marvel the situation so intently

1:01:49Richard Greaser that they know everything that's going on and they're just absolutely front running the plaids like eCreations who were just out there throwing money, on the prediction markets just making bets off of vibes and and and feelings and they're just getting absolutely taken to taken to the woodshed by podcast listeners.

1:02:11TC Yeah. And that's all that's all, there's less money going towards sets. I'll tell you that. No. It's it's incredible. I mean, isn't this like Max Keiser's casino gulag he was always talking about? Isn't that kinda something? Like, this is sort of coming together where people are gonna have the digital ID and the digital money, the CBDC

1:02:35TC Tether, whatever it is, and then their their life through their little AI assistant is gonna be gamified. So they're basically, like, earning little points to buy their their their rations for the day or whatever. And the whole system's

1:02:52TC gonna orient around see, this is what to me, this is what this is where we're headed. I mean, am I way off?

1:03:01Richard Greaser No. No. Deep down because I think that is I think that's and there's an element there, but the I mean, you say that it'll take money away from Bitcoin, but it's like, what if you trade prediction markets to earn more Bitcoin? You can't do that, like, meat coins and yeah.

1:03:23TC I see it cross pollinating with the point of view life kind of content creation that we see. So people are already sharing so much of their life with other people through

1:03:39TC video and audio and streaming and all this stuff. So then that can easily tie in with all these other streams of data, and you're

1:03:52TC you're gamifying it, and you're earning your your u your UBI, or maybe you're you're taking your UBI and you're leveraging it and gambling with it so you could get a whole bunch more if you win or you get wrecked if you lose. And everyone's kind of living their day that way. And then most people don't have to have jobs. They're doing tasks or fulfilling certain

1:04:18TC quotas of activity online, and then that's all monetized. And that's what the future economy looks like.

1:04:27Rod Palmer Like, people's full time jobs will be doing the the Coinbase courses to learn about the different cryptocurrencies

1:04:35TC that Coinbase Exactly. You could see plebs doing coin control workshops and and, you know, could do all kinds of neat stuff like that.

1:04:46Rod Palmer You'd be learning about SushiSwap on Coinbase or whatever it is.

1:04:52Richard Greaser You could re you could replace Social Security with prediction markets, poly market.

1:04:59TC Well I see life insurance coming into play here somewhere too. Watch

1:05:06Rod Palmer that. Well, we we had this prediction, a while ago that they were gonna when they eliminate Social Security, when they decide to do that, what they're gonna do is and I think Michael Dell was kind of hinting at this with his program. What they're gonna do is they're gonna issue instead of issuing everybody's Social Security number, they're gonna issue everybody a meme coin. Right? And so their their retirement

1:05:32Rod Palmer is gonna ultimately be on based on the value of their own unique meme coin that is issued to them. And so, you know, you you increase the value of your meme coin through virality and online engagement.

1:05:51Rod Palmer So there's, like, a direct it's kinda it's kinda like government issued BitCloud, essentially.

1:05:57Richard Greaser Yeah. And you're you're trying to become, like, mister beast so you can retire.

1:06:02TC Yeah. Exactly. And and the engagement is monetized, so there's a feedback loop there that everyone gets plugged into. And, of course, you're gonna have, you know, 10 or 20% of people thrive in that system, and everybody else is gonna be treading water or getting completely wrecked,

1:06:24TC because that that feedback loop works both directions. It could be a a negative incentive driver too.

1:06:32Rod Palmer Is it is the getting wrecked is that just relative to other people, or do you think things are gonna be substantially improving for the broader population like they have over the last five hundred years

1:06:48Rod Palmer due to advances in technology? Or have we kinda plateaued in that regard?

1:06:55TC No. No. We peaked in, like, probably 1999. You know? It's been all downhill for a while. And, you you guys you guys notice this. It's the slopification

1:07:09TC of everything. Right? We we're we're we're in a a society with higher and higher time preference, with a shorter attention span and living

1:07:22TC less healthy and, you know, participating in a in a system that's stealing from us constantly, and you see the the whole society kind of unwinding. I think it gets a lot weirder from here before it bottoms out and gets better. So you're gonna see more people

1:07:44TC incentivized to have a higher and higher time preference, which makes them behave in a more and more risky way. I do believe that. I think that's that's a bit predictable because of human nature. So I think it gets weirder and sloppier,

1:08:04TC for for a bit longer. I don't think we've bottomed yet.

1:08:10Richard Greaser How so yeah. I the slow tsunami, there's still waves of that coming. So that that means that the the future, the doubt or destiny, whatever it is, is is either going to be

1:08:30Richard Greaser permanently slopped. It's it's like Noah's Ark. It's like the the the globe is going to be flooded with slop, perhaps forever. Or we're gonna clean up the slop and we're gonna get we're going to get focused again, we're gonna lock in again, we're gonna get patient, we're gonna,

1:08:51Richard Greaser optimize our time preference, optimize our, incentives. I mean, I see we have to do that to survive. So do you see any tool,

1:09:04Richard Greaser any technology, any hope that things will get less sloppy anytime soon.

1:09:15TC Well, there it is again. You gotta you gotta follow the signal for that. Right? Because if you just open your eyes enough and you study enough, you watch enough hours of podcasts, you start living different. I think it's something everyone who's involved with Bitcoin for enough time,

1:09:35TC once you go down the rabbit hole and some years start passing, you you notice yourself change and you change in a variety of ways and you start living better. So that's what you can do to elevate yourself from slop is you have to become better at perceiving it

1:09:56TC and avoiding it and identifying the signal and moving closer to that instead. Well Everyone else, I I don't know. I think, a lot of people aren't gonna make it.

1:10:09Rod Palmer So what do you what do you think the feds experience? The the ones that have been sent to infiltrate and, either monitor or, you know, influence or disrupt this ecosystem. Like, you know, they have to listen to the podcast too. Right? They have to go to meet ups. They have to, you know, go to the conferences, and they have all these interactions, and they're hanging out, talking with the plebs about, you know, whatever

1:10:36Rod Palmer they, you know, heard on podcast, they're being exposed to this information. Do you think that it's influencing them in the same ways, or are they not reaping the benefits of just, like, a a good natured, like, like, interested, curious individual?

1:10:53TC Yeah. I I think it's inevitable that a lot of individuals that that work with the feds or work with various government agencies, I I think they're they are gonna over time realize the strengths of Bitcoin and what it can do,

1:11:10TC the superpowers that it grants, those that actually hold their own keys. You know, That that's something that we all learn along our our journey. So I imagine, people in those agencies are gonna individually discover those things. And and one day, there will be enough individuals that sway the perspective of the whole institution. And,

1:11:34TC and that's when we're we're in hyperbitcoinization, as they used to call it.

1:11:42Rod Palmer Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I I feel like there's a certain type of personality and persuasion that that a lot of these these feds have, which is they're they're so loyal to the system. Like, I almost wonder if they're gonna be more directed. Like maybe what paper Bitcoin's really an attack on is us orange pilling the Feds at the end of the day.

1:12:15Rod Palmer It's because, you know, paper Bitcoin is the solution to having all these defects or all these feds defecting from the system and becoming based Citadel running GigaChad

1:12:33Rod Palmer pioneers.

1:12:35TC Yeah. I I I just look at it as a new technology. It's you know, you go back in enough decades and we didn't have email everywhere, and it was just a small number of people using it. And a lot of people didn't see what the big deal was and why they should care.

1:12:55TC And then the advantages that that technology brought, eventually, people discovered their need for it. So I see Bitcoin in the same kind of way. It's we're we're living in times where there's big changes with the monetary

1:13:13TC global order, and Bitcoin is becoming more relevant. And so maybe it's a it's a it's a faraway thing, but I do think eventually everyone

1:13:27TC discovers the obvious advantages of the technology and are gonna find their own selfish reasons for using it.

1:13:36Rod Palmer Well, what's got you excited, TC?

1:13:39TC What's got me excited is all of the, fun new things happening in Bitcoin over the last year or so. I I tend to pay attention to the the

1:13:55TC evolution of Bitcoin's layers. I really like, all the eCash stuff. I like I'm interested in Ark. I like Lightning a lot. So

1:14:09TC that all that's got me excited, And I'm excited because it's a it's a new year, another chance to fire up a new exercise routine and

1:14:24TC dig in and build.

1:14:27Richard Greaser You're still doing a 100 push ups until a 100 k?

1:14:32TC Of course.

1:14:35Richard Greaser At least after we went above a 100 k?

1:14:38TC Yeah. I I I I stopped, and then, I started again. But, it's good for you. I recommend it. All plebs should do that.

1:14:51Richard Greaser Absolutely. And people know you've heard the time chain calendar, and you've got I mean, you've got new things coming. You've got some exciting announcements that you'll be making soon. But if

1:15:10Richard Greaser maybe you already know about it, maybe you've never heard the time chain calendar, instead of explaining the concept of of of it it I think people should go and see it for themselves and just take the time take the time to meditate on on the time chain calendar and look at the design and but can you explain what

1:15:36Richard Greaser your what the why are you putting so much of your time into building this? Why are you putting so much of your time into expanding this and to bringing it to more people? What is so special about a a calendar that documents each block that gets mined for Bitcoin? Like, what is that that fascinates you, and and and why are you so interested in that?

1:16:04TC Two words, Rod. It's Bitcoin awareness. That's what this is about. This is about Bitcoin

1:16:15TC awareness. You know? You you see the the big number on your screen, the latest block that's been added to the chain. That's that's where you are.

1:16:28TC That's when you are in relation to Bitcoin. So I draw these circles on your screen to give you a focus, to give you that signal,

1:16:41TC your Bitcoin awareness. When the block changes, you you're not gonna miss it. You get a big animation making sure that

1:16:52TC you are aware that a new block came. And that's it. That's what it's all about. Bitcoin awareness. I'm interested in fostering that in people. I think if more people are aware of Bitcoin, they will all be benefited from it.

1:17:10Richard Greaser Awareness of Bitcoin and awareness of what you said, like, a where you those maps were you you go into a mall and it's got to mess as you are here. And so you go the you look at the you look at Bitcoin, you look at representation of all of its history, all of its data, all of its,

1:17:32Richard Greaser time, all of the compressed time into the system and you are here. This is a reference point for where you are in relation to every block that came before it, every block is gonna come after it. But right

1:17:50Richard Greaser now, you aware of what's here right in front of you.

1:17:56TC Yeah. I mean, it's kinda mind blowing. Bitcoin just had its seventeenth birthday.

1:18:04Rod Palmer You know? That's

1:18:07TC It's almost too old for presentation. Less than half of my life. But I think, as I, as I watch a block hit right there where I'm, when I'm speaking, I, I, I find it really

1:18:24TC amazing to start paying attention to Bitcoin these last several years. And, it like I said, it changes you. It it absolutely causes you to to change as a person.

1:18:40TC And, I think it's important for people to pay attention to Bitcoin itself. So if I can draw some circles on your screen and help you see it, then I feel like I've done my job.

1:18:57Rod Palmer Have you have you ever thought about putting tits on your website?

1:19:02TC Of course. There there is a very simple version one function on there for customizing the interface and it does let you put a picture into the interface. I'll teach you guys how to do it. It's pretty fun. Maybe after the show. But,

1:19:22TC I'm gonna update that and make it a little bit easier to access for anyone and and you are welcome to put tits on your time chain calendar. That's that's something I actually encourage you to customize it that way.

1:19:36Rod Palmer Well, if if if there's one thing that brings awareness to to, like, a brand or an idea, it's tits. And Sydney Sweeney has proved this

1:19:46Richard Greaser very clearly over the in 2021. People will be aware of the time change calendar if they can see those on there. Yeah. For sure.

1:19:55TC I'm gonna have to try that. I'll get back to you.

1:19:59Richard Greaser Do we have found those to go through on this one?

1:20:04Rod Palmer Yeah. We we had a couple from, your episode with Rob Wallace.

1:20:10Richard Greaser Right. So let me pull those up. So what we normally do, TC, is we, we read the the boosts from the prior episodes. So, like, we're you the View Weekly, that's every week. The Behind the Podcast series is,

1:20:30Richard Greaser not quite as frequent, although we try to do it as much as possible, but it we have to get an interview. The last one was December 18, and it was with Brock Wallace from bitcoinnews.com behind the podcast episode 28. And we talked about how

1:20:52Richard Greaser the world is a podcast and I think we we kinda covered this, at the beginning of the episode where it was like, you're meditating and if you're meditating on the podcast, eventually you're just like you wake up and this the world transformed and then you're about living in a podcast. And we we got into the discussion kinda what that means.

1:21:14Richard Greaser I don't know if you know Rob, but good dude, Bitcoin News is, you know, fellow journalist. So that with that context, the, the first piece is from the bugle itself. So that must have been Richard, 11,000 sat fire. And the second one was from Bitcoin news, the other guest on the show, 2,000 five Fire.

1:21:36Richard Greaser And then the first one from a fan, Sasha Sasha Hodder, the crypto attorney in Florida. We just went on her show, the Sunset Circuit. It was a good conversation. We answered legal questions, although we, you know, have legal credentials. Sasha boosted thousands of hats. Shinobi would win against the bottle kits.

1:22:01Richard Greaser TC, do you ever watch Trailer Park Boys? Do you know what bottle kits are?

1:22:08TC No. I'm sorry. I don't.

1:22:11Richard Greaser In the show Trailer Park Boys, the bottle kits are like, little plebs who run around the trailer bark and they they're not part of every episode, but sometimes Rakey, the main character, will pay them or they'll do it on their own and they go around, they collect old beer can or, you know, beer bottles, old glass bottles, and they put them in a bunch of them in a bag and then they they ambush

1:22:37Richard Greaser somebody in the park and they just hurl these glass bottles up and then they hurl them at their car, they're a menace to the trailer park, but so Sasha's saying that, Shinobi would probably need to run through the trailer park and, be able to avoid getting hit by the bottle kits.

1:22:56Rod Palmer Now the question I have the question I have in mind is who is who is, Bitcoin's bottle kits?

1:23:03Richard Greaser Used to be AAA memes.

1:23:07TC Now Those guys still come to mind.

1:23:11Richard Greaser Mister Hoddle's probably hanging out with some bottle kids.

1:23:16TC Yeah. I mean, I think it depends who's who you're asking. There's a lot of infighting in Bitcoin right now, so depending which camp you ask, you know, some might think mister Hoddle and and and Wicked are the bottle kids.

1:23:33Rod Palmer Well, there yeah. There's, like, rival gangs of bottle kids. They all go and fight each other. So you got mister Huddl, Wicked, and you've got Tomer and Canute, and, Mars

1:23:48Rod Palmer Raybon. Yeah. Mars Raybon. There's a lot of bio kids out there, for sure.

1:23:56Richard Greaser The nest one's five Hertzaz from user 22290668. You're either born for the slop or you're born to stop. Bone for the slop. So true. Last two,

1:24:14Richard Greaser Pies and PTC on board boosted 121, 100 SaaS respectively with their signature emoji salads.

1:24:28Richard Greaser Thank you, guys.

1:24:30Rod Palmer So, you know, my final question for you, TC, do you think Jessica Vaughn is Bitcoin's Sydney Sweeney?

1:24:42TC What happened to her? I feel like I haven't seen her anywhere on on Twitter in a year or more. Is she gone?

1:24:50Rod Palmer She's she's still around. She's still hot, believe it or not.

1:24:55TC Yeah. Yeah. I'd buy that.

1:24:59Richard Greaser If we're gonna try and get around here and talk to her talk to her about to see see what she's been doing for the past year.

1:25:06Rod Palmer Probably being hot.

1:25:09Richard Greaser That's right.

1:25:11Rod Palmer Well, you you got any oh, good. You got any closing thoughts before we wrap this? No. You.

1:25:18Richard Greaser Oh, yeah. I was gonna say, Jesse, like the one thing I noticed about her is, like, most most super hot models pretty happy if she's, like, one of the grumpier. She's always seems grumpy or maybe she just comes across as grumpy, and some of the life she's grumpy. If you're hot, you should be happy.

1:25:39Richard Greaser My final thoughts, and I don't know, I guess I have my final thought is just to get PC or get your opinion is you you get annoyed by klebslop, You admit that it's gonna be harder to focus on the signal because it's gonna be a a very sloppy future, at least in the short to medium term. But

1:26:05Richard Greaser are do you or have you found or come to accept and find peace with the slop? Or do you think that, you know, that's something you're trying to you're trying to find peace among the slop? And do you think this is the goal of everybody to try to find some peace amidst the slop?

1:26:26TC I mean, well, you gotta you gotta, at some point it's a slop world. We're just living in it. And one way to look at it is

1:26:38TC the the slop is, sometimes necessary, especially for new folks. It's kinda like when you're learning Bitcoin and everything is sort of a meme, everything's a very simple concept. And then

1:26:55TC as you're in Bitcoin longer, things get more complicated. Sometimes you have to heavily modify the meme or really upgrade it and make it much more sophisticated. Sometimes you have to throw out the memes entirely. So I think the slop has its place, I think, especially for

1:27:16TC new new folks, and I can be at peace with that. I can I can live with a world that that has that included?

1:27:27Richard Greaser It's a slop eat slop world. Just find some peace, Thanks for listening.

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