0:00Richard Greaser Welcome to this very special edition of Behind the Podcast. Today, we have Frank Korva joining us and Rod Palmer as usual. People may know Frank Korva as the guy on Bitcoin Magazine livestreams who asks much more interesting questions than Isabella and Rizzo. How

0:21Richard Greaser you guys doing tonight? How you doing, Rod? How you doing, Frank?

0:26Rod Palmer I'm doing great. Yeah. This is a big episode for as you know, we take our credentials as journalists very seriously, and we have, much respect for peers in the industry. And this I mean, Frank is by far the the most esteemed credentialed journalist that we've had the privilege of talking to on this show. He's, like, he's the chief clinical correspondent

0:51Rod Palmer or will be, at Bitcoin Magazine, which is essentially, like, the front row or going to be the front row in the White House press corps, you know, probably by the end of the year. So I tend to be great. But, yeah, how you doing, man? Doing well. Doing well. Shout out to Rizzo Rizzo and Isabella.

1:10Frank Corva Gotta gotta shout out the livestream team there. Doing well. Yeah. God willing, we'll be, we'll be in the White House press corps sooner than later. Gotta do that on behalf of the plebs. Got to, got to, showcase the credentials. And, yeah, good to be here with you guys this evening. Thank you for having me on.

1:30Rod Palmer I have a question. What is your strategy, or how are you approaching it? How are you going to make sure that shinobi doesn't wear off and make president Trump feel bearish?

1:43Frank Corva It's a great so Shinobi's I can't promise anything with Shinobi. I don't really have a strategy. I mean, in in a way, Shinobi is kind of like Trump. He's a bit of a wild card. You can't really control him. He's just out there do doing, shinobi things, and, you just have to appreciate him for that and work with him. So, yeah. I don't know. I mean, maybe, maybe talk a little bit about op codes or something, distract him from,

2:11Frank Corva from, you know, getting onto

2:14Rod Palmer Yeah. Getting into Trump's ear and doing bear you know, telling embarrassed things? Have have you warned any of the rest of, like, Trump's staff and advisers in the Oval Office, that Shinobi may, you know, inadvertently or, you know, often call the president a return? We haven't we haven't warned them.

2:33Frank Corva We know that the president is sort of, you know, he he's, he's a fan of using, I think, such language.

2:40Rod Palmer Maybe not that exact word, but, you know But the yeah. I think it might make him respect Right. Shinobi. I think that Shinobi and Donald Trump could honestly have a pretty good relationship, at least a business relationship

2:52Frank Corva because they would both respect each other. Totally. Even the new sort of, communist shinobi, without a doubt. I think that they, they would genuinely there there's some level of respect they'd have for each other. No doubt.

3:04Rod Palmer Do you think the communist thing is to impress a girl?

3:07Frank Corva Wow. To impress a girl. Which girl?

3:10Rod Palmer I don't know. There's a lot of girls on Twitter that think that Shinobi's hot. Yeah. Yeah.

3:16Unknown And, you know, you know, there's a lot of them that are coming in. They're a little bit on the liberal side lately. Mhmm. And, you know, maybe has something to do with with his politics as well.

3:26Frank Corva Good. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know all the details there, but, I mean, the outfit I mean, if it wasn't initially to impress a girl, the the communist outfit, the one I think he had on at I I think he had it on the live stream on inauguration day that we did for pub key and the one he was wearing at, Bitcoin Amsterdam. I mean, if that's not gonna impress the ladies, you know, if they weren't already on board, they're definitely on board after seeing that.

3:50Richard Greaser I think I think as far as if you want Shinobi to shift his his political ideology, having having a communist technical editor might not be the best look for Bitcoin Magazine.

4:04Unknown Especially

4:06Richard Greaser Yeah. Please continue. I'm sorry. Well well, especially as Bitcoin magazine is looking to partner more closely with the decentralized deep state two point o. Right. The Trump administration is forming. So one thing that's really interesting about the Trump administration that's different than any other administration I've ever seen is that he insists on his press secretaries

4:32Richard Greaser to spokespeople, he insists on them being really hot women. Right. Right. And so if Shinobi is really if he's become a communist to impress a girl, think about what he would have to do to impress the super based hot press secretary in the White House.

4:50Frank Corva I mean, this remains to be seen. Again, though, I think it's like a game recognizes game sort of thing. I don't know if it'll be a matter of, like, political ideology. It'll just sort of be, you know, the same way that Trump and Shinobi, there'll be sort of a mutual respect there. I think that, you know, the super base press secretary, has likely, you know, read up on, you know, covenant's proposals and the importance of, Bitcoin not ossifying and, will sort of just inherently, you know, respect Shenobi as a result of that. So, Frank,

5:23Richard Greaser you being a credentialed journalist, I wanna get your take. So the the entire media apparatus has been turned upside down with the pausing or elimination of USAID. Joe Nakamoto

5:38Richard Greaser hasn't been posting tutorials on how to use Tether. Politico Yep. Is is looking like they're bankrupt. The New York Times

5:52Richard Greaser is in shambles as a loss of their funding. So the the average person is waking up to the reality that the the media apparatus has essentially been funded by the CIA.

6:04Frank Corva That's right.

6:06Rod Palmer What What This is this is a big shock. I don't think anybody saw this coming. Right.

6:12Frank Corva Yeah. It seemed very organic what had been going on with the with news outlets like Politico. And, you know, I think all I can really think about here is, the opportunity for us to capitalize on it. Right? I mean, I tweeted earlier that, just seems sort of logical that Bitcoin Magazine gets, political seat in the White House press room. We're here to represent the true plebs. We're not here to represent the fake, you know, left wing media plebs or the, you know, the, yeah. The just,

6:45Frank Corva you know, the the paid for plebs, the ones that, the ones that are that are bought and sold by the, by the deep state. We're not about that. And, we're just hoping that maybe justice prevails this time around and that Trump sees, the fact that we are the the face of, where we are the voice of the, you know, the average UTXO holder and that we get our rightful place in the press corps and, in the press room as a result of that. Yeah. I mean,

7:12Rod Palmer I'm even more bullish than you about this ability, to capitalize because I think that as we're seeing, like, all these

7:23Rod Palmer these operations, these money laundering campaigns that are, you know, that they have been doing for decades probably, maybe longer. They're all going away, but we all know that the CIA is not going away. They may change their logo. They may change the name, but it's not going away. We're gonna have to work hard. We're gonna have to pay taxes, and the CIA is gonna get those tax dollars,

7:48Rod Palmer and they're going to try to influence the narrative. And I think that if we get them into podcasting two point zero value for value, it just realigns these. So we're going to fix the incentives of the CIA and we're gonna be able to transact adversarially with them

8:07Rod Palmer in the value for value economy because they will be able to boost Bitcoin podcasts that they want to support. They think that are sending a good message to how to, you know, these right hardware wallets and protect your through Bitcoin from North Korea, the hackers. And, like, that's the kind of stuff because it's that's the kind of they'll get boosts. They'll get quality content in return for

8:31Rod Palmer for our tax dollars that they're using to influence us.

8:35Frank Corva Yeah. I mean, I I I can't see how that wouldn't be the case. And, you know, as the world moves to a Bitcoin standard, I mean, that's going to include members of the CIA. And, if we're gonna keep the deep state funded, no better way to do that than streaming Sats. There's probably that's probably the only way to do it is for them to be earning Sats in the process. We know the value the CIA, produces for all of us in keeping us safe. So the least we can do the least we can do is turn them on to the, the value for value, the v for v model, if you will,

9:06Rod Palmer and keep them funded so that, so that our freedoms are protected. Yeah. Yeah. We talked about this that, you know, for the longest time people that used Bitcoin, they thought they were outsmarting, and they'd see the government like, these guys were done. They don't know what to do, and I'm not gonna have to pay my taxes. But through Bitcoin podcast, Be Orange, built a lot of Feds. And, you know, they're in spaces, they're listening, they're and they're getting the same advertisements that we are. So they the Feds own cold cards, the Feds own Trezors and Ledgers and and and they're using Unchained Capital Multisigs

9:40Rod Palmer and they use all that stuff. So they're learning it and they're, they're they're understanding how to use it and they're want to, but they're gonna use it too. And you don't want the feds to just be the only ones using Bitcoin.

9:54Frank Corva No. We don't. Of course, we don't want. I mean, Bitcoin is for everyone. Right? Bitcoin is for enemies, money for enemies. I think that's the the phrase. You know, you just said that they own cold cards, they own treasure. They might they might even own these actual companies. Right? They might be producing this hardware that we're all using, which is again something we should be grateful for.

10:14Rod Palmer Yeah. They may be the ones doing tutorials of teaching you how to use a cold card.

10:19Frank Corva It wouldn't surprise you. You may get you may learn you may get orange spilled by a fed yourself. I've spent a little bit of time speaking of tutorials with BTC sessions. You know, I definitely caught

10:30Rod Palmer caught some fed vibes from I did not. I always say I did not name BTC Sessions. You did, but continue continue. Right. Right. Right. My apologies if you didn't mean to to,

10:40Frank Corva to dox anybody there. But, yeah, it wouldn't surprise me. You know, this is a very physically fit man. Looks like he's been through basic training. Yes. Frequently posts pictures of himself, how physically fit he is. And, yeah, you you just have to think that maybe that didn't happen on his own. Maybe he's got, you know, special forces teams that that are keeping him in such shape at this, right before the age of 40.

11:02Rod Palmer And that's one of the things that terrifies me the most is because there is not a hardware wallet or a node or a software wallet that BTC Sessions doesn't know how to use. And I don't think there's anybody out there who knows how to use them that didn't learn how to use them by watching BTC Sessions videos and tutorials on it. And it's just, you know, if they know how to use it better than we do, if we're still struggling to consolidate our UTXOs, man, they're,

11:33Frank Corva they're gonna rockets. We're falling behind here. There's no question. For all intents and purposes, we might as well we might as well all really just be invested only in, spot Bitcoin ETFs at this point. Maybe maybe I bid, if you will, because, yeah, the the the odds of us getting rugged, by these people are quite high at this point, which is, again,

11:58Frank Corva probably why we should just be more focused on compliant, you know, totally KYC Bitcoin at this point because, the reality that all these tools that we have to, to work around,

12:09Rod Palmer Right. You know, the compliance. It is you know, It's harder for the CIA to steal your Bitcoin if it's KYC ed.

12:19Frank Corva It seems like that's the case. You know? My credentials aren't a 100% up to date. Don't tell anybody. But, from from what I can tell, based on the research I've done and my level of, credentialedness, it does seem that that's the case from my perspective. Yeah. I mean

12:36Richard Greaser so who do I file complaints with about journalist to practices at Bitcoin Magazine? Who's the best point of contact for that?

12:46Frank Corva This is a great question. I know David Bailey is looking to hire someone to do this. Our our HR department is currently lacking a bit. Again, we could always we can go back to Shinobi. Shinobi is good to bring this kind of stuff up with. Great with, administrative work. Great with, using HR appropriate language. Highly credentialed himself, So it's sort of like he's sort of the bar. So if you're not as credentialed as that, he will quickly let you know that, that that that is the case. Can't don't don't have a name offhand, but

13:21Frank Corva but yeah. I guess, you know, the, yeah, just just emailing the editor. We'll put you in touch with the right person, editor@btcmedia.org, and, we'll get you in touch with the right people.

13:35Richard Greaser Shinobi will be will be phone call right after this. I was gonna say, you know, until we get

13:41Rod Palmer that new person hired, we could probably just send a DM to Rizzo or Shinobi, and they'll they'll be we'll do customer service, basically. If you have complaints about Bitcoin Magazine, they'll be happy to field those. Happy to do it. I would say with Rizzo.

13:58Frank Corva Just keep in mind that from what I've heard, he's in the early stages of starting a podcast right now, so he's quite busy. Keep keep you know, don't don't tell too many people about that. So if he doesn't get back to you right away, just know it's because he's hard at work at, getting out there on the podcast circuit, not as a guest, but as a host this time around. And, host this time around. And, yeah. Otherwise, yeah, Rizzo, Shinobi, yeah. One one of the two will get back to you eventually, just maybe not right away. So this is kinda like a long

14:29Richard Greaser question that I was setting up for, which is, I've been very disappointed with the media's coverage of the People's Republic Of North Korea. And the reason why

14:44Richard Greaser is El Salvador has gotten a lot of unfair attention. So Isabella is down there right now That's right. Reporting on Bitcoin use in El Salvador. We I have not seen any reporters go to North Korea to talk about their Bitcoin acceptance.

15:02Frank Corva I think we should we you know, what's really important to acknowledge there is, North Korea is, sort of the birthplace of hacker culture, if if you will. It's where hacker culture is alive and well, and we should really acknowledge that. For the record, I've been there. I've actually crossed the border in North Korea about ten years ago. At the time, I actually wasn't, familiar with what Bitcoin was, though. So I, it was a bit of a of a shortcoming on my part. But, yeah, I think, we all owe a lot to the hackers that, constantly hack crypto bridges to sort of, to show us what they're capable of. Ideally, they, they crack Bitcoin's code one day too and get to it. But, yeah, you know, we, we really should be showcasing the skills, at play,

15:46Frank Corva amongst their, their their computer savvy and their, their their hacker elite over there for sure. Mhmm.

15:52Richard Greaser Like, the North Koreans were using Bitcoin before you even knew what it was.

15:57Frank Corva That's right. I mean, that's correct. They, yeah, they were they were using it before, before the advent of blockchain. And, you know, they're they've, really sort of,

16:12Frank Corva what's it called, setting a model for the rest of the world to to, you know, to be noncompliant, to, to do things that are, to do things that are quite, you know though, obviously, the hackers there are sort of controlled by the state, they're also quite subversive at the same time. So it's, yeah, they were really sort of setting a model for, like, that sort of deep state meets agriculture, marriage, just that beautiful marriage.

16:39Rod Palmer When when you were in North Korea, I'm speculating here, but I think one I imagine one of the things you would notice is there's not as many chairs there as there are, you know, in The United States and there's probably not very many. She probably didn't see that many chairs at all and it's like imagining that, you know, just that stoicism, that discipline that

17:03Rod Palmer just of of that saving culture Yeah. Of of of trying to acquire more Bitcoin. I it's it's hard to keep up with a culture like that.

17:13Frank Corva You can't keep up with a culture like that, to be honest. I was only in one room while I was there, and I can, I can I can report that there were actually no chairs in that room? So when we're talking about really putting your last, the last of your assets, the last of your dollars into Bitcoin to to live on that Bitcoin standard, to to go all in, if you will, nobody does it better than North Koreans. No question.

17:39Rod Palmer Right. Yeah. Especially, like you said, like, right at the border where you might have guests. You don't even have chairs for your guests. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's locked in mode, but low time preference. Very low time preference as well. Very low Did you notice that the,

17:56Richard Greaser the art and the music was superior because they were living on a Bitcoin standard?

18:02Frank Corva It was almost like, this sort of renaissance that, you've only read about in books. That was the that was the vibes. Like, again, didn't go too deep into the heart of the country or anything, but, the level of, I mean, it was you just heard orchestral music wherever you go. The detail on the architecture, stunning.

18:23Frank Corva I had never seen anything like it in my life, to be honest. Absolutely incredible.

18:27Richard Greaser And and I can't believe I've never heard Safedine ever mention them.

18:32Frank Corva You know, I'd imagine he's gone there. I would imagine that his travels within North Korea were part of the inspiration behind the Bitcoin standard. I I mean, I you know, I've read the book many times, obviously. And, yeah, like I said, what what the world on a Bitcoin standard is like, it's really not a hypothetical in North Korea. And you have to imagine he wasn't writing

18:57Frank Corva he wasn't writing to speculate what the world could like look like on a Bitcoin standard. He was writing based on the greatest model that there is out there, which is the North Korean model, the North Korea on a Bitcoin standard model. Yeah. I mean, it is

19:11Rod Palmer a really good, like, role model for an exclude if you're building an exclusive citadel, North Korea is kind of pioneering that.

19:20Frank Corva The whole country's a citadel, I would say. Maybe like citadels within citadels, but it is, it's the ultimate model for, state sponsored citadel, if that, if that if that makes any sense.

19:31Rod Palmer I don't think it always has to be a state sponsored one. So, like, I think that, you know, when Bitcoiners know that real estate is a shitcoin. Right. So when we have our citadels, we're gonna need landlords. We're gonna need somebody to rent houses from and I don't think that has to be the same. I think it can be BlackRock. They understand Bitcoin. They understand real estate and they, you know, they could come in and provide housing and things like that and and stuff for us to to lease.

19:58Frank Corva I think it's really whatever Larry Fink says. You know, in the Bitcoin space, we we love Larry Fink now. So I think really whatever he says, whether that's, just, you know, him if he says that him being in charge of all real estate is best for us, the same way, you know, you know, he he's talking now about Bitcoin as just just amazing universal currency. I mean, he obviously gets it. So, yeah, we just need to sort of follow his lead at this point. I mean, it seems like the the what the real plebs are doing. So it's, who am I to sort of disagree with that perspective? Though, Harry is a big big winner, he might listen to this show. He might really appreciate the kind words he used said. Ideally. Ideally. Larry, if you're listening,

20:40Frank Corva thank you for the work you do with Bitcoin. Thank you for, you know, please, you know, please, you know, with with, whatever real estate you do, rent to me or let your people rent to me. I just wanna say thank you in advance. And, you know, I I it's so much easier, to live in a world where I don't have to worry about owning anything, where I can just rent from you and, you know, your well manicured and well kept properties. So, thank you thank you for all you do. So we're in this,

21:12Richard Greaser very unpredictable and unstable time. Things are shifting incredibly quickly. Do you have any predictions for the next year? We're we're still pretty early at in on the year. But just any macro predictions, any predictions about shifts that that we'll see in the media,

21:32Rod Palmer Stuff that normal people Yeah. I would say could you I'm thinking more. You have a pre you're pretty close to the policy that is being set, what's going on, what people are talking about, what people are doing. So I think that a lot of people who aren't that close or just right you know maybe in the Midwest you have a normal job. You see a lot of stuff on social media

21:55Rod Palmer and, you have your expectations, you have your price predictions, you have your whatever SBR predictions, but do you think that those X do you think the the Bradenton purses predictions are too bullish or too bearish? What do you what would you predict being closer to the source of, you know, significant

22:15Rod Palmer things that might take place?

22:18Frank Corva You know, I think this is the year, there's there's little question in my mind that this is the year that, the Samsung and Mount God candle becomes a reality and that we just go straight to a million. We just 10 x directly from here. I can't see how that doesn't happen. You know, I've been listening to the likes of Preston Pysh and James Lavish for years, and, you know, they've been they've just been so right all along that, you know, we're just we're on pace to get to that million dollar Bitcoin, that's coming.

22:48Frank Corva You know, I hope that, you know, I'm I'm I'm I'm just assuming that The United States essentially hyperinflates the dollar in efforts to buy as much Bitcoin as possible for the strategic Bitcoin reserve. Seems like the only fair thing to do. To quote Sailor, you know, everybody gets in at the price they deserve. And I think for all the hardworking Americans that, haven't gotten in yet, we owe it to them to hyperinflate the money that they earn and and save in if it's not Bitcoin to teach them a lesson and to get them into Bitcoin as soon as possible. So, yeah, I'm predicting Samsung, Mount God candle comes true within the next few months or at least by year's end. We're at a million dollar Bitcoin. It never comes back back down. We don't see a bear market ever again. Million dollar Bitcoin is now the new baseline, and, yep, we just move into this, Bitcoin utopia that that all the macro analysts have been sort of, you know,

23:40Frank Corva teaching us about for the last since really since about 2020, 2021.

23:44Rod Palmer Yeah. Yeah. I've, you know, I have a lot of friends who they we talk about Bitcoin. They mentioned that Zeel, like you mentioned, Preston Pysh is kind of who orange pillowed them. And especially this this cycle with MicroStrategy and, you know, he they they like when when Preston talks about, you know, Mike Michael Sailor has, like, you know, found the infinite money glitch. Right? And it just reminds me of my own experience when because last cycle, because I just blog Bitcoin podcast, I would love to listen to Preston explain

24:16Rod Palmer how much of a slam dunk the GBTC arbitrage was. And it was just such a pleasure to learn about, how to make money, you know, going long and short Bitcoin and and and GBTC

24:30Frank Corva at the same time. And it was it was it was a slam dunk move. I mean, it was the only play at the time. And if you if you weren't, taking advantage of that arbitrage, I mean, we know that everybody who didn't do that lost. And, it was, it was an obvious play. We're grateful to Preston for bringing it to our attention. I'm happy I capitalized on it myself. I'm better off as a result of it. And, yeah, can't we can't say enough about the the Bitcoin macro podcasters. They've, they've opened our eyes to a world of, finance meets meets meets Bitcoin that we just wouldn't have seen otherwise.

25:05Richard Greaser This is the, the importance of forty hours per week.

25:10Frank Corva No question. Yeah. Without a doubt. You're talking about, consuming upwards of, either forty hours of Bitcoin podcasts or just Bitcoin educational materials, I'm assuming?

25:20Richard Greaser Mhmm. Yeah. Absolutely. Forty hours of podcast per week. Yep. Yep.

25:25Frank Corva Yeah. There's I'm not sure what else you would do for forty hours a week. I mean, with with all the information out, with all the brilliance out there, with all of the the incredible perspectives, we owe it to ourselves to essentially spend that much time.

25:38Rod Palmer But Yeah. I'm always curious to know how people structure their forty hours per week. Some people, you know, they they listen to mostly macro. Some people might listen to, you know, Marty and,

25:57Rod Palmer and Odell. They've got several podcasts. You do you have three or forty hours per week just from those guys and a lot of people do. And how do you do how you break it up? Do you do like 10% privacy podcast, 10% shouldn't you know spaces or something you kind of substitute that for podcast? What do you do? How do you get your forty hours? How do you break it down? I'm glad you brought that up. You know, I think spaces should be included as podcasts.

26:21Frank Corva They, you know, live stream spaces, these things, they're okay. I start with some of the basics. You know, thank goodness Danny Knowles has, has resurrected the greatest Bitcoin podcast that ever was, what Bitcoin did. We're grateful to Danny for that. So I do a little bit of, you know, a broader overview,

26:42Frank Corva with what Bitcoin did. Nice range of, you know, cycling in the same 10 guests or so. It's like the it's the perfect way to do it if you're gonna podcast. We wanna see we wanna see Lynn there. We wanna see, just listen to, you know, Jameson Lop on there. So just getting, everything from the macro to the safety, you know, to the to getting your setup correct, all that kind of stuff. I don't do too much of the spaces. I have to host them, so I don't have as much time to, to spend in the spaces. Sometimes there's a little bit of noise there. I like to keep it just strong signal only. We got NVK's podcast talking about things that are a bit more technical, a little bit more about privacy. That's important. But, honestly, it's more of just an intuition thing. I like to see what well, I've well, then obviously, there's Marty and

27:31Frank Corva there's Marty and Odell, which we need to listen to as well. I think it's really important that we listen to venture capitalists talk their book when they're talking about different technology that we could use. I think it's important that, there's no you know, that that that level of partiality, is is really important for us to know that when people are telling us to use certain products, that they have a stake in those products and that we should be using them because it will financially benefit

27:59Frank Corva the people talking about those products. And that's really important for, for listeners to keep in mind. But, yeah, I just follow my gut, to be honest. You know, I I have my fountain app. I, subscribe to to all the Bitcoin podcasts on there. I see, I see which tile really tickles my fancy that day, and I just click on that podcast, and I get going from there, see where the day takes me.

28:21Rod Palmer Yeah. There's I mean, it's hard to describe the feeling when you got the day to yourself and you can you got several hours to listen to podcasts and you open your phone and you got a notification. Like, there's Jeff Booth on what Bitcoin did. It's like my Saturday afternoon is booked. That's it. Or or being nothing's better nothing's better than Lynn Alden. I mean, it doesn't matter really honestly which which show she's on. The longer the show, the better. But, yeah, we're huge fans of Lynn Alden here. The the Lynn Alden is is hot. Yeah. Yeah.

28:53Frank Corva I mean, Lyn Alden is everything, if you will. She's a stellar human being, hot, the the whole the whole nine. I mean, the the greatest macro analyst and amazing venture capitalist. We're we're just, you know, we're we're lucky to have her in the space. And, as you said, you know, the more podcast she's on, the better. The longer those podcasts are, the better. And, we should make time for our Saturday Yeah. Saturday and Sunday afternoons to listen to her.

29:22Rod Palmer I think one of the best things that can happen to Bitcoin so we we should get into Trump a little bit Yeah. Here next. But, like, just to kind of bring that topic up His a I think you mentioned something about Donald Trump. He has a lot of people trying to get his attention and he has a pretty short attention span. Easy to get bored. Yeah.

29:46Rod Palmer But when I think of who he should be around him to help guide him and counsel him, and I'm trying to think of, well, Trump respects a girl who's hot and he's really smart. I think Lynn Alden has never had any problem holding somebody's attention when she's talking about macroeconomics and having her

30:07Rod Palmer almost like giving having private podcast session, Bitcoin podcast session, macro discussions with with President Trump. I think that we would really be able to catch his attention. I think that he's you know, he promised the the SBR, the strategic Bitcoin reserve, first day. It's been a couple weeks. You know, he's got while he's doing a lot of things. You know, some people are worried that occupying the Gaza Strip will distract him from the SBR. I don't think so. I think he'll get to it, but I think Lynn Alden

30:38Rod Palmer would be a a a real a real sage advice for him.

30:42Frank Corva No question. And as far as the SBR, to quote Lynn Alden, nothing stops the strain. SBR is happening one way or another. It's a it's a mandate from heaven at this point, and, it's going to happen regardless. Think Lynn would be great as maybe, I think you were hinting at maybe her being a bit of an economic adviser to Trump. I think that'll be perfect. You know, I think she has a real ability to sort of, distill information in a way that would keep Trump's attention. You know, at the same time, the Fergie likes cheeseburgers, and Trump likes cheeseburgers. So, I mean, yeah, they have they'll have that. Yeah. It's it seems like a no brainer to have Lynn in there sort of, to explaining to, to Trump,

31:25Frank Corva you know, just the way he needs to be thinking about Bitcoin, you know, especially as a macro asset, not necessarily as money, but really as an investable asset and, something that will keep the The United States and the deep state afloat. You know,

31:40Rod Palmer one of the things we talked about when we started here is like, it's gonna be crazy. Like, do we replay Big One magazine is kind of becoming like the state run media. And it was the the state run media that we had before 2025

31:57Rod Palmer was the worst time. The kind that basically was on the Fiat standard, not the Bitcoin standard. But in this case, like, David Bailey and Bitcoin Magazine kind of saw this coming and they they kind of propelled the president to power. The president president Trump owes Bitcoiners. So it's the it's the state run media, but Bitcoin Magazine

32:20Rod Palmer has equity in this administration. They have equity in the state now. So it's it is not this, you know, predatory, untrustworthy relationship. It's you are now able to be pumped into the Oval Office, into the White House, and you'll be able to tell the plebs and Bitcoin podcasters what's going down.

32:42Frank Corva This is, yeah, this is the magic of what's going on and what David has done. So, yes, we'll be able to not only sort of tell the plebs what's going on from the White House perspective, but be the voice of the plebs in the White House, right, in in the in the White House, in the press room, at press conferences with our crypto czar, David Sachs. You know? And I think that, there's really no greater honor. I think what David has done for the Bitcoin community in getting us to that sort of place where we could where we could truly speak on behalf of, of your everyday Bitcoiner and, and make sure that the president is, hearing

33:19Frank Corva their words through us as a vessel, is tremendous because there's no question that Trump isn't going to listen to every single word we said that, you know, we just have to speak up a little bit more to maybe, to explain to him that, you know, being on the Bitcoin standard is the way to go and that all this talk of stablecoins that maybe you heard yesterday really isn't the way to go. Once we can, fully get our voices heard, we know that that we're gonna change direction there and that, you know, that's in and all of this talk about, stablecoins and how it's a great, way to sort of, have, these companies sort of hold these, treasuries and buy treasuries. That whole plan will be abandoned Despite the fact that Elon is now talking about putting treasuries on the blockchain,

34:02Frank Corva we we'll get all of that changed, you know, again, thanks to David's work.

34:07Rod Palmer Right. Like in you don't want to tokenize and call the token a US Treasury because then it's gonna be so they're gonna have to be so compliant. You have to change the logo, then you have to call something else like Tether or USDC was stupid. That's why USDC sucks. It is like it's

34:27Rod Palmer being too obvious that it's the dollar. Totally. Gotta have a cool name for it, but like Tether is good enough. Yeah. And and you still have treasuries on on the blockchain, but you just don't the congressman, some seven year old, he doesn't, you know, he's too retarded for that. He doesn't know what Tether is.

34:45Frank Corva So they don't they don't try to make it compliant. But, you know, putting you know? So I want I'd like to make a point about Tether. I'd like to say that Tether essentially, I think, is Bitcoin at this point now that, Taproot with Taproot assets and what, Lightning Labs have done by bringing Tether to Bitcoin and Lightning. I'd I'd like to sort of maybe you know, I think it's given Tether a new edge. Some of us have been a little bit hard on Tether, but I think now just given how close it is, technologically to Bitcoin, I like to sort of think of it as something,

35:17Frank Corva you know, it's it's a lot cooler again. Tether on Tron wasn't so cool. Forget about something like USDC. That's been sort of vanilla and uncool from day one. But, you know, I think Tether in this rebranding that it's doing you know, I saw I saw Paolo, Arduino the other day post this amazing video of this this big sort of ominous cool building that, they're gonna build, in I think it's in El Salvador, Tether headquarters or something. And Michael Sailor actually, you know, he was talking about the importance of maybe Tether coming to New York, just being this sort of stablecoin king.

35:53Frank Corva You know, I think Tether's in the it's in the middle of, and and shout, you know, shout out to Mark Goodwin while I'm talking about Tether. You know, I think Tether is in the middle of a rebrand that maybe even the likes of Mark, you know, just weren't ready for. And, you know, now that it's so intimately tied in with Bitcoin, you know, I think its best days are are ahead of it.

36:12Rod Palmer They're mid they're pretty aggressively investing in growing Rumble as well as like a YouTube competitor and adding, Tether payments to, content creators which will

36:26Rod Palmer be huge boon for the global South. Tether on Tron being able to monetize their content. You know, what you said about Mark really resonated with me. What I've been thinking is that Tether is gonna impress Mark and win him over by his marketing unit. He talks

36:45Rod Palmer about treasuries in the Murgle route. And one of the things I talked about earlier was that the feds are, you know, they're learning they're getting orange pill too. And right now we just have the men pool cleared. It seems like we just with, especially with the organelles, especially with Doody and the shitcoiners, we're having a real hard time figuring out how to balance and value UTXO's.

37:08Frank Corva Yeah.

37:09Rod Palmer And and how to use that block space. And I think Tether is gonna come in and be like, listen, we're going to use the dollar and we're going to provide Bitcoin with, these services because we, the feds, we figure out how to value and use UTXOs better than than everybody else did.

37:29Rod Palmer And and that's it's gonna be such a bullish bullish event that I think Mark will finally kind of admit that, the Tether is good for big?

37:41Frank Corva 100%. And that and that the real purpose of Bitcoin is to strengthen the US dollar, which is what we're talking about with the SBR here. We're gonna inflate you know, we're we're gonna we're gonna make sure that the dollar stays strong. You know, I think the global south, they need it. Right? You know, who who needs Bitcoin when you can have something that's completely permissioned that's that's that's so well run by a company like Tether. That's so just that's so just remarkably stable.

38:10Frank Corva And I think that Mark, you know, he DM'd me earlier. He's starting to see this. He he he obviously has been a bit critical. You know, wrote that amazing book, The Bitcoin Dollar. And I think that, you know, at first, there was a lot of negative connotation, you know, with what he was, talking about here, but he's really starting to come around to it and starting to understand. You know, when when Paolo Arduinos says that he's a Bitcoiner, you know, Mark wasn't taking those words at face value, and I think he's starting to to see that Paolo really is a Bitcoiner.

38:41Richard Greaser Mhmm. Right. Damn. Yeah. I think Paolo, one of his, shortcomings is he doesn't go on enough podcast. He's too busy getting dollars in the hands of the global South.

38:55Frank Corva No question. Yeah. I mean, basically, you know, male version of Mother Teresa in a way. He's, you know, single handedly saving the global South by getting, you know, more dollars in their hands. And, yeah, he he does he does a fair share of conferences, though. I've seen Paulo at conferences, adopting Bitcoin. I think he was just at plan b in, obviously, if they cosponsored that in El Salvador. So while he's not necessarily, super strong on the pod the podcast circuit, definitely doing the conference circuit.

39:26Frank Corva And what I like is that, you know, he's not very approachable at these conferences. There's a mystique. He's, sort of like a rock star, if you will. He's out there. He's a man of the people, but difficult to approach at the same time, oddly enough. A strange juxtaposition, but he, you know, he he plays the role well.

39:44Richard Greaser If you're one of the biggest owners of, US treasuries in the world, you kinda have to be unapproachable.

39:52Frank Corva You know what I mean? I think that's fair. Yeah. It's sort of the equivalent of, of owning a lot of Bitcoin and not wanting to get wrench attacked. You have to just sort of keep yourself in the background, you know, keep a low profile and, and, you know, just just, stay hard at work and, you know, you're obviously the work you're doing is the Lord's work. You don't necessarily have to be out there with the people shaking hands, but, you know, just keeping that low profile, keeping your head down, doing what you need to do. I think one of the biggest challenges

40:24Richard Greaser for lobbyists right now or well, let me let me set this first before I go into that. One of the tactical mistakes that Corey Klipsch did made Mhmm. In working with Tether was he did not wait for Tether to be on Lightning. Mhmm. He jumped in trying to use

40:45Richard Greaser dollars to make Bitcoin stronger when it was still primarily used on Tron and Ethereum. That's right. It was a very big tactical mistake. Now one of the challenges that lobbyists have right now, and I know the Bitcoin Policy Institute, I know Dennis Porter, they're working very hard on this, David Bailey as well. The challenge is, as they attempt to put the government on the blockchain, is how do we

41:12Richard Greaser get them to do the on the Bitcoin blockchain instead of an altcoin blockchain?

41:17Frank Corva Yeah. Taproot assets, you know, again, the the model now being set with Tether, what Elizabeth Stark and Ryan Gentry have pulled off here, just absolutely stunning. You know, shout out to Corey, was a visionary in partnering with Tether. Maybe just a little bit early, as you said. You know, just Tether was still, still doing its Tron thing, a little bit of Ethereum. Some people are just early. You know, it doesn't mean they were wrong. They were they're just a little bit early. So I think with Corey, that was the case. There was we appreciate yeah. The true visionary, I mean, Jack Mallers and Stripe partnered with Tether in, like, 2020,

41:56Rod Palmer 2021. You know, they didn't brag about it. They didn't go around, like, making everybody else feel embarrassed because they weren't smart enough to do it too. They just stepped their head down and built just a great, you know, way to

42:15Rod Palmer a great lightning network to really help the dollar grow. Yeah. A real a real foundation for the dollar to kind of spark interest in people's minds in the global South and then they, you know, they started building on Tron in other networks, but you know, you you could definitely say that that's Stripe was one of the one of the early people down

42:37Rod Palmer there educating and onboarding the global South and onto Tether and it's you know they don't get enough respect for that. No question. Yeah. I mean, deep down,

42:46Frank Corva you know, Jack is a Bitcoiner, but he loves a dollar just as much, and that's, something that often doesn't get that doesn't get settled out. He's a good American. He loves a dollar. His closets can't be filled by things you buy with Bitcoin. You don't have dollars for, you know, backup. That's correct. Yeah. And Jack knows that too. You know, he's he's he's a bit of a showman. He's out there. He's doing the press circuit, so he's gotta he's gotta say things in a certain light. I think it's up to us plebs to sort of acknowledge what Jack's really about, though, and, we appreciate we appreciate. You know, I think again, much like what Mark Goodwin's coming around to, he gets that Bitcoin is here to strengthen the dollar, and, it's it's been clear since 2020 that he gets that. And, you know, he can't say it outright sometimes. We'll say it for him, and we can also say that we appreciate the work he's doing. So, yeah. Shout out to you, Jack. Yeah. If I was Jack, I would, you know, I would maybe say to Corey, it's like,

43:37Rod Palmer don't impress me with what you're doing it to you. Just

43:41Frank Corva impress me with what you've already done. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. And I think if I had to guess, Jack is impressed with the fact that Corey was early, that he was early to Tether. Eve even though, you know, he he might have just missed it by a little bit. Now there's a little bit of beef and the lawsuit and everything like that. I'm sure that'll all be settled, but I think deep down, Jack gets that. Corey got it. Again, some, you know, certain visionaries, they're just, they're just ahead of their time, and it just is what it is. But history will look favorably on on the moves that Corey made and Jack already does as far as, you know, as far as I know. Yeah. I think everybody can agree that

44:20Rod Palmer nothing's more cypherpunk than Pacific Bitcoin, so we really wanna see that come back.

44:26Frank Corva I mean, I I I don't I don't know much about what happened this year I do look forward to seeing it back Super Cypherpunk I think they had, was it Sailor usually headlines over at Pacific Bitcoin?

44:39Rod Palmer Yeah. Sailor, Sam Callahan, James Lavish, Greg Foss. I mean, the macro elders are well represented. Lynn Alden's always there. Yeah. Preston Pich, of course. I mean, you did a fireside with Sam Callahan and Preston Pich, and that's just the appetizer for Sailor and Max Keiser. You know what I mean? Amen. I mean,

45:02Frank Corva these are, these are the cypherpunks that have been in the trenches since the beginning. And, you know, on top of that, we're we're lucky enough to also have them as macro analysts. I mean, really, how how few sort of Cypherpunk slash macro analysts are there out there, and they're all at Pacific Bitcoin? You know, you know, hat tip is all I can say there.

45:24Rod Palmer You gotta throw it up to the people who proved that cypherpunks can wear pleated khakis.

45:30Frank Corva It's it's a beautiful thing. You know, it's actually this actually brings up a really funny point. I was with, Aaron von Weerdom, our editor in chief at Bitcoin Magazine, And I think I was wearing, a Gap shirt that I got from my local thrift store, and, and his girlfriend made fun of me for it. She was just like, look at this guy. He looks like, you know, your your your average Joe sorta thing. He doesn't look counterculture at all. When I was trying to explain to her, I was like, the new counterculture in Bitcoin is is being counter counterculture.

46:01Frank Corva It is the khakis. It is the gap shirt. Right? It's it's fitting in. It's, it's it's being it's not necessarily looking different or being antisocial. It's looking like your average finance pro, your average guy who doesn't get Bitcoin. This, I think, is the new way to sort of, to, to be, I guess, a wolf in sheep's clothing, if you will. You know, a cypherpunk in sheep's clothing.

46:26Rod Palmer Right. Right. Right. If, you know, you were stumble upon Luke Dash or, you know, he's it's gonna be given away pretty quick that this guy is like super cypherpunk could probably steal my wallet without even, like, touching the table, dig all my bitcoin, but you see, you see, you see somebody wearing, you know, the the Patagonia vest Yeah. And you're like, this guy, you know, he's gonna wanna talk treasuries, but they don't know what you got in cold storage. No question. Yeah. There's no question. I think that's the,

46:58Frank Corva I think that's yeah. Like I said, I think that's the new uniform if you're really trying to sort of keep a low profile as you should as we've been worn to, the Patagonia vest, the khakis. You know, it it it seems like really the only way to go at this point.

47:15Richard Greaser One important thing I wanna ask you before we wrap up is what's going on with the samurai case right now? I know you've been covering that.

47:27Frank Corva Yeah. Yeah. The samurai case, important case. I'm actually hoping to be able to, I'm total I'm spacing right now. I'm forgetting. I think it's Keon who's based out in Pennsylvania hoping to actually, when possible, maybe even go visit, have a conversation. But, you know, with the samurai case, whenever I tell whenever I see those guys in the courtroom in the Southern District and outside the courtroom,

47:53Frank Corva I tried to stress to them the importance of compliance. You know, they made a mistake, and, it's time for you know, they they get how important compliance is at this point. And I think the the judge can see that they're sorry for what they did, that they wanna be compliant, and, you know, and that that that'll it'll be it'll be it'll be all good. I think that they've they're sort of, going through their reconciliation

48:18Frank Corva process, and it should be alright. You know? And I think also, I do plan to to bring this up with the Trump administration when I get to ask my questions, either to our crypto czar or to Trump himself or his press secretary.

48:35Frank Corva You know, I think the samurai the samurai devs have realized, you know, that it that it's not that big a deal for people to be identified on the blockchain. Bit Bitcoin is pseudonymous. Right? It's not purely anonymous, and I think that they're just at peace with that. They get that at this point. They're they're not you know, they get that Bitcoin didn't really need to be mixed. It was something that some people wanted, but it wasn't really a necessity. And given how much of a presence

49:06Frank Corva there is of CIA and deep state in the Bitcoin space at this point, you know, it's just sort of a foregone conclusion that they're gonna be able to trace any transactions we make anyway, and the samurai guys get that.

49:18Kailey Welch Yeah. You know,

49:20Rod Palmer I think that I'm hoping that we've kind of reached, an inflection point. So Donald Trump's what he's gonna do with this restructuring in the federal government is we're gonna go back to the way it should be which is now that we have other options like Solana for meme coins. Yeah. Now instead of the CIA trying to

49:45Rod Palmer to blackmail or trying to entrap, you know, Bitcoin entrepreneurs and and opens and open source enthusiasts of like, see them right? Yeah. And they're just gonna be able to take their activity, their, you know, CIA and you colored ops and just go dump pump and dump meme coins in third world countries and get their money that way and just leave us alone. Yeah. And I think that that you know, I'm hoping that that happens and I think all this concern

50:15Rod Palmer about KYC in in compliance will be fine because it you know, we won't be going after taxpayers.

50:22Frank Corva They'll be distracted with something else. Like you said, there's two routes we could really take here. Right? There's a value for value route. We don't know if that's gonna work with the CIA. We touched on that earlier. The pump and don't brute, we know that that's really the best that, you know, that's the best way for just what are we all really here for? Right? Short term gains, we wanna get we wanna get our we wanna get our bags pumped. And the CIA with all their resources, you have to imagine that they're good at pumping bags. They're they're good Right. At messaging and getting people on board with the message in the short term, pump the bags, I mean, coin on Solana, boom, salaries paid for for the year. Everything's good. We can leave the devs alone.

50:59Rod Palmer Think about it. Yeah. What better way to improve and increase our influence, especially related to China in the global South, in Africa, and all these other countries, than by pump and the CIA pump and dumps meme coins.

51:15Rod Palmer And then they start to make money, start to financialize it, and then build that infrastructure. And then everybody's gonna need, you know, Tether on Lightning Yeah. Or Tether on Tron. Yeah. And so they're gonna start their economies are gonna become stablecoin, Tetherized. Boom. And it's gonna increase demand for US treasuries. It's gonna make it easier for us to keep spending money and keep, excuse me, keep borrowing money so we can save the in the strategic Bitcoin reserve. Yeah. So when the dollar collapses,

51:46Rod Palmer we have all the Bitcoin Correct. You know, and they were chasing meme coins.

51:51Frank Corva Yeah. I mean, the Perfect. The main thing about Bitcoin is that it was put here. You know, I think people get it wrong. Bitcoin came out of, the financial collapse of two thousand nine, 2008, But it wasn't put here. You know, people get they've there's this idea, this narrative, if you will, that Bitcoin was here to challenge the dollar because the dollar was being abused by the powers that be. It's not. It was here it's here to strengthen the dollar, and it's here to strengthen The United States so that it continue to cause financial catastrophes around the world and always have a way out. That's really what we're here for, and that's what Bitcoin is here for when it comes to The United States. Yeah. And now that now the tether's on the on Bitcoin,

52:32Rod Palmer we can deploy Bitcoin miners all over the world and we can set those up and we can consume all the energy from all these foreign countries by mining Bitcoin and then to to, you know, compensate them.

52:48Rod Palmer We give them tether on lightning. That's it. And they can, you know, you know, and it's the perfect trade.

52:54Frank Corva You know, it's Michael Saylor was one of the first people to, to see this. You know, this idea that the point of Bitcoin is for The US to stockpile it, not use it. It's an asset. It's a capital asset. It's not money. And that we have now we and, you know, I think he had a great idea. He wanted to get Goldman Sachs involved. He wanted to get other people involved, not just Tether, but other people issuing stablecoins as well. Some of the, some of the actors, you know, that caused the financial collapse now giving them maybe a second chance, if you will, to issue stablecoins, right, to to work hand in hand with the treasury,

53:31Frank Corva Scott Bissett, and, you know, and, you know, a lot of his you know, he's got a lot of connections in the financial world. He was in the private sector for a while. And I think, you know, it's it really that world, the world of traditional finance really deserves a second chance. Right? The the the treasury, the fed, it all deserves a second chance. Stablecoins are really the way for us to do that, and Bitcoin can just be this thing that we sort of hold on to in case things go go awry again, in case things, fall apart again.

54:01Richard Greaser They say America is the land of second chances. That's right. Like like, when a politician commits a war crime, they are forgiven. When a politician commits human rights violation, like vaccine mandates or something like that,

54:19Richard Greaser they're forgiven. They're pardoned. When Ross Ulbricht goes to prison, he's pardoned.

54:25Kailey Welch Yeah.

54:27Frank Corva It's a great it's a great country. It's it's a great country, America. And it's incredibly important that the people, you know, that have engineered financial collapses get pardoned as well. I mean, there's

54:42Frank Corva there's very little difference between those people and some of the people that you just mentioned, and Bitcoin should just be here to backstop it all. It should just be here as, you know, money of last resort, and then we should accumulate as much of it as possible so that we always sort of have a bit of a of a get out of jail free card for,

55:00Richard Greaser you know, for some of these actors. Yeah. I mean, it it really is fascinating that Satoshi put reference to the two thousand financial crisis in the first Bitcoin block. Because if anything, that's just him predicting

55:16Richard Greaser the forgiveness that Bitcoin would offer these people. Right? Yeah.

55:20Frank Corva It was a it was a shout out to the chancellor, if you will. Some people think it was a critique of the scenario, whereas I think it was more, saying, we're here to support you. We're here to backstop you. Well, I I've created something new, that you should accumulate as much of as possible on the state level, at the nation state level, holding your coffers. And, yeah, it's, it's, you know, I got you was basically what that that first inscription said. It was, you're you're all good. Now, Richard, do you have any more questions before we get into the fountain boost? Well, I think we already,

55:56Richard Greaser I think before we started recording, we asked Frank. So there's two questions we we do before we read the fountain boost. So Mhmm. The first question is, did you listen to the last episode and you

56:13Frank Corva haven't? I haven't. The last episode I listened to of you guys was, was something around the holiday season, and I forget what the episode was. But it was, yeah, a few weeks ago. This sound like the Christmas special. Yeah. The Christmas special. That's what it was. Yeah. Yeah.

56:29Richard Greaser The second question is because we're trying to be, you know, balanced with the type of guests we we have on the show. The second question is, are you Jewish?

56:39Frank Corva It's a it's a it's a great question. No. Roman Catholic. You know, Irish Catholic. Well, half half Italian, half Irish by descent. So, but, yeah, Catholic.

56:52Rod Palmer Sorry. How does that? How does your, you know, flavor of Catholicism differ from Luke's boot cache? He does he thinks the pope is a is a shit winner. Yeah. He calls him a scammer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

57:09Frank Corva I think Luke's a better Catholic than I from what I can tell. And, you know, I I don't wanna take any when it comes to Catholicism, I don't wanna take any spotlight away from Luke. I know how serious he is about it, and, you know, I appreciate him bringing that to the Bitcoin space. You know, I think,

57:29Frank Corva you know, they're you know, while while we're here separating money from state, we we should be we should be bringing religion to money. And I think Luke does that best. So Yeah. Yeah. He he's famous for doing that with his,

57:45Richard Greaser his old mining pool, actually. Yeah.

57:48Frank Corva Exactly. Yeah. Oh, I did actually I was just scrolling. I was on the train before we, did this. I did actually see the title of this episode here that you guys just put up on the screen. So protecting your daughters from Breedlove's orange pill. Yeah. I think, looking forward to listening to this. Dude, is there a guest on this one, or are you guys just sort of chewing the fat here about, Breedlove and, and his relationship with women?

58:11Richard Greaser Yeah. We, we had a a very drunk barn miner on our show. Nice. Nice. So this this is one of the segments that we're doing, which is interesting. So, like, I think this is our ninth show. Right, Rod? Our ninth behind the podcast? Yeah. That sounds right. I guess you can't see the number in the title. Yeah. I can't see it either. Let me see if I can wow. Okay. Well, Fountain only gives you so many,

58:42Rod Palmer letters. So many characters, Dan? Either way.

58:45Richard Greaser I think it was the ninth episode. So we're we're one out of nine for our guests who listened to our last show. So this is always really interesting, making our guests listen to our fountain boost from the previous show when they haven't heard it. Love it. It it makes it it's actually kind of interesting. It's like wading into uncharted territories. I'm ready for it.

59:07Rod Palmer Yeah. Yeah. If you go back and listen, I think Temple would I think one of our my favorite of our interviews here was with Rob Hamilton. We talked about Anchor Watch

59:17Frank Corva and Mini Script, of course. Yeah. Rob's Rob's a legend. Shout out to Rob and to Becca and to and to Mini Script. I think was it Rob that invented miniscript? I think you guys might have mentioned that. Did you guys break that news, actually? Well, he thinks he discovered it. Got it. Okay. But Got it. We weren't sure if it was invented or he just you know? If he just discovered it, like like Bitcoin itself as some people have pointed out. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Got it. This is one of the hard challenges when you're an innovator is determining whether you invented or discovered things. It's it's borderline impossible to tell the difference sometimes. You know, I think that was definitely the case with with Bitcoin itself. When you're when you're as bright as Rob,

1:00:01Frank Corva I would imagine it becomes virtually impossible to tell the difference between when you're just stumbling upon things and when they're just falling out of your mind. So

1:00:09Rod Palmer Yeah. The I I like to think that memes are discovered, not invented. The only time that I I hate that, is when

1:00:21Rod Palmer Dan Held is stealing memes. Yep. As as he's known to do. Yeah. It's like I wish they were invented, so he would be in trouble for that. But, you know

1:00:30Frank Corva Copyright it. Copyright the memes maybe so that Dan Held can take advantage of that. Yeah. That'd be that'd be ideal.

1:00:37Richard Greaser The the PodCon Twitter account actually, they they trademark and copyright and reserve, like, all of their content. So if Dan Held tries to steal a PodCon from me, he's screwed. Yep. But, hopefully, Yuan will direct

1:00:55Rod Palmer those payment splits for influencers using AI to discover, like, who stole the meme. Yep.

1:01:01Frank Corva That's ideal as well. Yeah. That would be ideal.

1:01:06Richard Greaser Well, just to give you some context to the last show we did, so we, I found Barn Miner. Barn Miner, I don't know if you're familiar with him, but he's an individual who mines Bitcoin in a barn.

1:01:22Frank Corva Okay.

1:01:24Richard Greaser And he has a lot of opinions about things. But on the episode, we we talked about, like, the differences between your daughter and your son getting orange pilled. Right? Right. So, like, typically, you know, your your son's 16 years old, it gets orange pilled.

1:01:44Richard Greaser You feel pretty good about it. But typically, you wanna wait. Like most fathers, they want to either curate the right person to orange pilled their daughter. Mhmm. There's a lot more scrutiny on on who their daughter's getting orange built by. Right. Right. Or they want them to wait until they're, you know, fully adults, whatever age they arbitrarily determine that is. Right.

1:02:10Richard Greaser Or maybe not arbitrarily, but it's it's kind of unique depending on the individual.

1:02:15Frank Corva And it's Some people are adults

1:02:17Richard Greaser Yeah. When they're, like,

1:02:19Rod Palmer 17 years old or younger, And some people are The only way we said it was, like, Bormeyer is really proud of his son. He was 14 years old. He's already a taxpayer. It's like, that's a good dad right there. Yeah. It's true. Got his son paying taxes before he can drive. Compliant.

1:02:33Richard Greaser Yep. Our first boost is from fundamentals. All I can see on here is a fish logo, but he says, Barna's a go greed. I think, Frank, there's this whole

1:02:47Richard Greaser media ecosystem I don't think you're aware of.

1:02:53Frank Corva Yeah. I mean, I think sometimes my level of, my level of credentials sometimes blind me to some of the work that the plebs are doing, some of the independent media out there. As Bitcoin magazine is becoming mainstream, I think I, I I probably owe it to myself to spend a bit more time to see, see what's happening in the in the independent media scene.

1:03:16Richard Greaser Well, I think it's hard because I don't know if you're familiar with Bitcoin podcast power

1:03:22Kailey Welch law. Yeah. But

1:03:24Frank Corva you are. Okay. Cool. I see BitPayne post a lot about the power law. I've heard about it, but I I don't know. I haven't listened yet. Yeah.

1:03:31Richard Greaser Yeah. So Bitcoin podcast power law is kind of the evolution of Bitcoin power law. So Bitcoin power law, I don't know, believes that the the guy Giovanni or whatever his name is, believes he's come up with some sort of mathematical way to determine the Bitcoin price. Right. But what he's failing to see is that the biggest driver of Bitcoin price appreciation is Bitcoin podcasters.

1:03:58Kailey Welch Yeah.

1:03:59Frank Corva Because the more people Yeah. It's a it's a variable that he just hasn't factored into the equation yet. But when he does, it'll become, it'll become airtight. His, the model will become airtight.

1:04:11Kailey Welch Mhmm.

1:04:12Richard Greaser I think you're familiar with fundamentals, actually. I was talking to him today, and he mentioned Dene. But, or maybe that was the other person I was talking about talking to. Yeah. But, anyways, Fundhold is a is a Bitcoin podcaster. The the question is, as there's more podcasts, what is the best way to consume all the podcasts? Because

1:04:39Richard Greaser how how long have you been interested in Bitcoin around it?

1:04:43Frank Corva About going on about seven years now.

1:04:46Unknown Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

1:04:49Frank Corva So And so I think my answer to that question is that we're truly the luckiest community because I think Bitcoin podcasts are sort of becoming like grains of sand on the beach. They're just infinite and that it's better that we we maybe never get to the end of it. We we can't. You know, I'm a big fan of maybe double timing it, listening in double speed to to to absorb as much as possible. But I think we're we're lucky

1:05:17Frank Corva that there's essentially there's virtually no end, and which means that we we can, we can be learning about Bitcoin via podcast from now until the day we die and, you know, and we and we won't have listened to them all, which is really a gift if you think about it that way. Mhmm.

1:05:36Richard Greaser Yeah. I mean, I think one of the challenges as a podcast listener is I listen to a podcast, and every time I do, I question if I could hear more signal somewhere else.

1:05:47Frank Corva That's fair. Yeah. I think it's always it's always good to be evaluating level of signal. I I guess I would have to throw that question back to you. What what is your criteria for when you're, when you feel that you're experiencing or absorbing signal? How do you, do you know what the signal is and what it feels like?

1:06:05Richard Greaser Well, you know, I think it's a little bit different for me because I'm a credentialed journalist. So I'm actually trained in the art of sniffing out signal. Right. But I would imagine for the average average individual, it's it's generally signal means there's something actionable

1:06:24Richard Greaser Okay. For them to, like, use. So something that's, like, important to inform their view on the world and be able to adjust

1:06:38Richard Greaser their strategy based off of that. I like that.

1:06:42Frank Corva Yeah. I think that's fair. Yeah. I mean, I think we'd be lucky if, you know, given given the volume of podcasts, you know, be lucky to if if there if there was so much signal and all that. I mean, just think about how hard we'd be making it on the CIA and all of, and all of the others who are after our stack and who wanna know the size of our stack, if we were really absorbing all that signal, if that's the way that you define it. Mhmm. Mhmm. Yeah.

1:07:11Richard Greaser Yeah. I mean, I think there needs to be way more ways for people to listen to podcasts, adversarially.

1:07:19Frank Corva Would would listening to podcasts, adversarially, maybe be listening to to two at the same time in tandem? Like a bit of a almost like a a conflict in the amount of information, the the way that the the information is is being broadcast, just like really trying to sort of differentiate it, sort of to absorb two different signals at once, if you will. Different signals on different topics at the same time?

1:07:43Richard Greaser I think there's multiple ways to look at this. So there's the standpoint of privacy. Right? So you don't want the CIA to necessarily know

1:07:56Richard Greaser which types of information you're consuming. That's right. Especially on certain subjects.

1:08:00Kailey Welch Yep.

1:08:02Richard Greaser Like, so I think there are ways that we can go about this. We can create distributed networks of individuals actually physically mailing

1:08:15Richard Greaser cassette tapes around to each other of podcast Yes. And using tools like remailers and PO boxes

1:08:26Frank Corva Yep.

1:08:27Richard Greaser It it becomes very difficult to track from that standpoint. That's one way to do it adversarially. And then there's also the adversarial way of what if there's censorship via these podcast hosting platforms or

1:08:45Richard Greaser controls over the Internet or just the type of censorship through curation in different algorithms.

1:08:53Frank Corva Yep.

1:08:54Richard Greaser And we can bypass that actually by transmitting podcasts over radio waves to each other. Yeah.

1:09:03Frank Corva Either or really. Cassette tapes, mail, radio waves,

1:09:07Rod Palmer these are obvious. Right. And you could then you could just take you could take the the payment splits of the RSS and the time stamps and then you could play it over the radio waves and you use the radio frequencies with maybe some other map like based on the time stamps, excuse me, once you sync to and then you could may you could pay the payment splits based on who's talking. Just right here on the radio waves and having the

1:09:34Rod Palmer the data

1:09:35Frank Corva available to you. No question. Maybe, in the in the liner notes, for example, if you're mailing a cassette, you sort of have the l n URL of the people, you know, that you should be sort of sending the royalties to, and you sort of give them a little blast to give them a little boost as you're listening to the tape. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, it's kinda

1:09:52Richard Greaser to think about the possibilities in a low fee environment like this. Like, you could actually have a seed phrase on the cassette tape that acts as a boost. Yeah. So you could, like, record a podcast on a cassette tape and then send it to a podcaster, which acts as a boost for their podcast, and then they send one back, back and forth like that. I think that would be pretty interesting. I think that's

1:10:18Frank Corva a brilliant yeah. Brilliant. But

1:10:22Rod Palmer but, you know, you can also you can also use use Bitcoin to pay your taxes in a lot of different states, thanks to Dennis Porter. And now you can do it on with with Tether on lightning. So it's just very easy and convenient to you get me. You could stream your taxes to the government all year while you're working. I guess it'd be that easy. You wouldn't have to think about it anymore. But yeah. That's the idea. And I think that that's actually the best way for us to,

1:10:48Frank Corva to add to the strategic Bitcoin reserve. I don't know why more people aren't talking about this idea that the government doesn't necessarily have to print money. We don't wanna do too much of that because we want given that we wanna keep the global south on dollars, we we wanna be, we wanna be able to

1:11:08Frank Corva to to strengthen those dollars by streaming the government our taxes for the SBR, for the purpose of the SBR. Yeah. And Donald Trump has

1:11:17Rod Palmer he is on a mission to onboard, you know, a billion new taxpayers all around the world. What better way than to just take a cut of all the crypto transactions overseas? So by, you know, by using Bitcoin, by using Tether in the global scenario, any country, You are able to

1:11:38Rod Palmer contribute,

1:11:39Frank Corva you know, and be be able to afford to taxes and and help The United States. And what I like what I like particularly about Tether in this regard is that if you don't agree with Trump's strategy here, which we should all just blindly agree with, Tether, you know, what really differentiates it from Bitcoin and what makes it so valuable in a situation like this is we could just freeze it if people don't agree that this is a great idea. We could just freeze it and say, hey. Look. We, we came up with this great solution. And when we think about permissionlessness, what we're really talking about is, you know,

1:12:15Frank Corva we have this permission. We're we're we're supposed to be listening. We we should be listening to to the wisdom of someone like Trump who gets Bitcoin, who gets Tether, who has a plan. Right? Promises made, promises kept. They're gonna follow through on the crypto plan. And if we don't, you know, it's it's his right to, to to freeze transactions. And I think, you know, that's the beauty of now having Tether on Bitcoin to be able to you know, with Bitcoin, you know, not being able to freeze certain transactions, you know, it's just it creates a scenario where, where the plan might not work out, and we when we and we need this sort of plan to work out. We need this sort of, this sort of vision to become a reality.

1:12:56Richard Greaser It's it's the beauty of Bitcoin protecting our democracy.

1:13:01Rod Palmer Just think, if if Trump understood, you know, that he could go streaming live on Twitter social or put out a short podcast, you know, and his supporters

1:13:17Rod Palmer understanding the value for value community and economy would would stream in SaaS, you know, to whatever wallet Yep. He set up. I think he'd really appreciate that. I think he'd really respect that. Yeah. There's No. No question. I mean, I I was there when he, you know, when he made

1:13:31Frank Corva that first payment for for burgers at Pub Key. He saw the magic of lightning in that moment. You know, the next phase of that is seeing what podcasting two point o looks like and seeing what getting stream sets with, you know, effortlessly receiving sets. He saw what it was like to efforts effortlessly, you know, make a payment with them. Now when he's on the other side of that equation, you know, that's when it all comes full circle and, you know, the the true the true value of, Bitcoin is realized in his eyes, and it just becomes a bigger part of the strategy.

1:14:04Richard Greaser I think this is one of the beauties of having failed lightning transactions right off the bat is

1:14:12Kailey Welch it it teaches you it sets the expectation that you have to troubleshoot.

1:14:16Frank Corva Right? You know, Bitcoin often gets paralleled to what we're we're in the phase of adoption. That's like what the Internet in 1998 or something like that. Did every did every website work perfectly in 1998? No. And we're better people because of it. We're better people because of it. Right?

1:14:34Rod Palmer If if anybody understands or has the spirit of persistence in overcoming troubles, overcoming roadblocks, it trumps. So I think that, you know, if, you know, it's gonna fail, but he's gonna figure it out. But, yeah, thank you for the boost

1:14:52Rod Palmer fundamentals. The next one's from John over at the Young Tarver Woll Misfits. He says, LC and Frito two x did the Blue Collar Club podcast. Frito has recently launched his own solo podcast. So we were talking briefly on the, last week's podcast about these two people, L. C. And Frito.

1:15:13Rod Palmer From the get thinking that they were on the, Blue Collar Bitcoin podcast. But that is not the podcast they're on. That is two firemen, from Chicago, but they were on the Blue Collar podcast, which we don't know why they named it

1:15:29Rod Palmer that. Alright. After the Blue Collar Bitcoin podcast was already out, and one of the biggest logos on found it's just it's just confusing, but, apparently, LC has disappeared. I don't know any more details than that except that barn miner was drunk and said that LC has since disappeared. Nobody's heard from him for a few years and Frito, Instead, you know, I guess he gave up looking for him and just decided to start his own podcast.

1:15:60Richard Greaser Do you think they named it Blue Collar Club class as kinda like an affinity scam? Kinda like Broadblade. Classic or Bitcoin SV.

1:16:12Frank Corva No. No. I think what I got from that was so the blue collar I'm not sure what the initial one was. What was it? The blue collar? What is the the Bitcoin podcast. Yeah. The blue collar Bitcoin podcast. You know, great program. Kinda feel like it's almost become mainstream at this point. And I think putting pleb into a title with blue collar makes me think of, the time I spent in the music industry. It's like, you know, once when certain bands get so popular sort of you're sort of doing something in the same spirit here, but you're bringing it back to the people. You're you're bringing it back to to the independent roots. And so, shout out to the Blue Collar PlepCast

1:16:52Frank Corva for doing that. You know, shout out to the great work the Blue Collar Bitcoin podcast has done. You know, you know,

1:17:02Kailey Welch they they

1:17:04Rod Palmer Yeah. I was, you know, dealt with that story about the disappearing podcaster. They just made me wonder, and I don't think there's any right or wrong answer. I think it's different, but if you are a Bitcoin podcaster and you have a co host who disappears, dies,

1:17:23Rod Palmer something like that, you just don't know for sure. But what is, like, the etiquette for how long you wait before? I mean, you're a podcaster that's what you do. Do you take time? Do you come back? Like, how long do you wait before you start another podcast? How long do you wait if you, you know, think they might come back?

1:17:42Frank Corva I don't mean to sound insensitive here, but, you know, first thing that comes to mind is, TikTok next block. Does does Bitcoin stop producing blocks is really the question I ask myself, and I and I think we should sort of act accordingly, act as, you know, that should be our model. And, you know, while we while we may miss our our, our fellow podcaster or our cohost for our podcast, you know, we can we can maintain faith that they come back and that we find them or or or what have you. But, but there are plebs out there that need to be educated, that need signal, and, we'd be remiss to to to not be there for them. So

1:18:21Rod Palmer Yeah. Personally, if if if something happened to me and I disappeared, I would want Richard to do the next episode, don't break schedule. You know? I mean, that's that's that's what's best for,

1:18:35Rod Palmer you know, you know, yeah, yeah. Like I said, I could wax poetic forever about that about Bitcoin podcast, but I think that USA, like all this stuff in the news, and I've been saying this for a while is the best way to help your community is not to donate to charity because charities are just these fake money laundering fronts. Maybe only a few per it's it's all a scam, but donating by boosting SaaS to Bitcoin podcasters.

1:19:01Rod Palmer Yeah. That helps that helps them create better content. That helps other people find that content, and that content orange pills you and make and you fix your community. So don't give to charity. Give to Bitcoin podcasters.

1:19:16Frank Corva No question. I think that's like a it's almost a bit of like a a teach a man to fish sort of thing. So value for value model. Right? When you're just giving money to charity, you know, are these people really doing anything, you know, for that money? So with Bitcoin podcasters, we know the sort of work that goes into making Bitcoin podcast, and we're honoring that work. We're we're letting people know that we're here to provide value or hard earned sets

1:19:39Rod Palmer for people who are out there educating the masses about Bitcoin. Right. I said just, I had this tweet the other day. It was, people really liked it. I said if you if you give a woman Bitcoin, she can go shopping for a day. If you teach a woman how to stack SAPS,

1:19:56Frank Corva she can go shopping for the rest of her life. Boom. That's all I have to say there. That's, that's that's a banger. Yeah.

1:20:02Rod Palmer So thank to say that was 2,100 sats from John, and he also hid the next boost also for 2,100 sats saying I've seen Born Miner much drunker.

1:20:14Richard Greaser Yeah. Congratulations.

1:20:15Frank Corva I see we have, in our next boost, the one after that one here. What is that? A V for V shout out? Oh, that's Pies. So, if you if you ever get on, I don't know if you get on FountainMuch,

1:20:26Rod Palmer but if you do or you're on Nose for Much and you come across Pies, you will start to see that, Pies is the MVP, like number one Bitcoin podcast listener. Wow. And it and the proof is on it. The proof is on found. He boosts and listens to you every single podcast on there.

1:20:47Rod Palmer That's, I mean, a new episode comes out and he's listened to it and boosted within five minutes.

1:20:53Frank Corva You know what? I'm I I don't know how I'm not following Pies, and I just followed them on Nostra. I don't mean to be rude here while I'm looking down at my phone, but, anybody who puts in that sort of work, I I want them in my, in my orbit. So Yeah.

1:21:07Richard Greaser Hardest working podcast listener I've ever seen. Shout out to Pies. Thank you for the thank you for your efforts. So yeah. So that concludes the boost for the show. I wanna thank you for coming on, Frank. Is there anything you wanna close with? Any messages for listeners?

1:21:24Frank Corva No. You know, it's I wanna thank thank you guys for having me on. Thank the listeners for, for supporting Rod and Richard here as they do God's work, you know, true plebs, if you will. High signal coming out of this podcast, coming out of their Twitter handles. And, yeah, just, we gotta

1:21:48Frank Corva we gotta keep it up. We got a lot of work to do. We gotta stay focused on, you know, you know, on not necessarily focusing on, you know, solving problems with Bitcoin. Those those things, you know, it'll find its way. It's it's really just continuing to have these conversations. That's the most important thing. And then obviously, you know, shoot shooting those boosts over, you know, to Yeah. To acknowledge how important these conversations are and to, to

1:22:16Frank Corva to to to show people that we appreciate the value that that they're provide that you guys are providing here.

1:22:21Rod Palmer At the end of the day, I agree with that a 100%. At the end of the day, TikTok next block. Yep. Bitcoin doesn't care. Bitcoin will be there. But only if we don't stop talking about it. That's right.

1:22:34Frank Corva Yeah. Nobody's gonna learn about this, you know, nobody's gonna really understand this. And more important than understanding it technically or how to use it philosophically, really. That's the most important thing. We we've learned that we've learned that from Breedlove. If we don't if we don't have a deep philosophical understanding of what Bitcoin is and how important it is in the world, then really all is lost essentially.

1:22:60Rod Palmer So Right. And if I guys said Bitcoin will be there forever. Correct. But what good is Bitcoin? What use is Bitcoin if there's nobody using it to spend Tether? Correct.

1:23:13Richard Greaser Yeah. And most people miss that. Yeah. The the very last question I wanna ask you before we close. Do you have any big predictions? I I know the next big conference Bitcoin magazine is putting on is in Vegas, But the news leak today that they're working on the next conference

1:23:35Richard Greaser happening in Gaza in 2026.

1:23:38Frank Corva You know, I can't say what I know. I can I can either confirm nor deny that based on what I said? You know? But I can say that from the conversations I've had with programming on the conference team, shout out to Craig and McShane, This is gonna be, like,

1:23:56Frank Corva the most deep state level conference you've ever seen in Vegas. We're talking members of government. We're talking, you know, other government employees that you don't even know who are government employees. They'll probably be there in attendance just the same way we got feds in the spaces. We're really trying to sort of put the state front and center at this net next Bitcoin conference.

1:24:21Frank Corva And, yeah, we just, we we hope you can, to be there to join us for that because, you know, Bitcoin is here to strengthen the state, and we're here to honor that with the Bitcoin conference. Oh, yeah? Yep. This yeah. 100% the most compliant

1:24:34Rod Palmer Bitcoin conference view of yeah. Yeah. Period. Period. Yeah. Period. I mean, there's

1:24:41Frank Corva we're gonna have, yeah. From what I understand you know, I I suggested, you know, I suggested the mayor of a I just recently did an interview with, the mayor of Vancouver, and I suggested, you know, maybe doing a a fireside chat with him to McShane. And McShane said, like, you know, I don't know if we're gonna be able to fit him in. So the May the mayor of a major metropolitan city in North America,

1:25:05Frank Corva We got so much state, so many people who are important to the state that will be at the Bitcoin conference that we don't know if we're gonna have space for someone like that. I mean, we're doing our job. We're doing it to the best of our ability, and, you know, we're we're finally getting the attention of the right people.

1:25:22Rod Palmer Oh, yeah. This is yeah. And before we go, yeah, I just really makes me think that Canada so badly right now could use a Canadian dentist porter. No clue. Oh, never thought about that. I think

1:25:36Frank Corva I think if we ask Dennis, you know, how we always sort of post about the flights he's taken to, to whatever state he's going to, talking about how what an what an honor it is to serve Bitcoin. You know, if we asked him to go to Toronto, to Vancouver, I don't think he'd say no. I don't think he'd say no. I think he'd be just as happy, you know, to to bring Bitcoin to North America as he would to just breed to to bring it to The United States. So I think, something we should consider. 100%.

1:26:02Richard Greaser Yeah. Yeah. Shout out to Dennis Porter. Hopefully, he'll be speaking in Gaza. Ideally. Yeah. Ideally. I don't think he's speaking in Vegas, but hopefully, he'll be speaking in Gaza. Well, thank you, Frank, for coming on. We really appreciate your time, your credentials, your wisdom.

1:26:19Frank Corva Pleasure pleasure is all mine. You know, thank you guys for the work you do for being such incredible, credentialed journalists. Yeah. Just continuously, you know, browbeating people about the importance of Bitcoin and, and Tether and all other freedom tech out there.

1:26:38Rod Palmer You know, sometimes, you know, you spend years trying to orange pill people and trying to be polite, but eventually we're just gonna have to browbeat everybody into compliance. And that's how we get the hyperbitcoinization.

1:26:51Frank Corva That's it. Perfect play you know, I'm not the host here, but, obviously, I think that's a perfect place to to to wrap this one up.