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0:34Mars Are we recording? Yeah, man. We're recording. Let me make sure I got my vape here. Alright. We're loaded up. I'm ready to go. But, yeah, as I was just saying, if you want me to start here is, is realizing that we need to make Karen's great again. It's a huge societal problem that that, we've been demonizing him. I was I was at the Starbucks today, local Starbucks here,

0:58Mars and, the barista was taking my order with her headphones in, which is, like, now a common occurrence, of course. I don't know if you guys ever had any issues like this, but I was just thinking to myself. I was like, man, I just need a Karen right now, like because, like, I'm not gonna say anything. But if we had Karen's back in full force, you know, customer service wouldn't be what it is today. And that we did this to ourselves, you know? Like, we made our bed.

1:26Mars We demonized them, and now this is the world we live in.

1:31Richard Greaser Yeah. Yeah.

1:32Mars Right?

1:33Richard Greaser Yeah. I yeah. So we've talked into Mars, okay, and we're we've been into intros here a little bit because I wanna tie it back back to back to you on Bitcoin Twitter, but what we did in the past few years is we weren't polite to we weren't polite enough to Karens. We didn't respect Karens. We didn't value Karens. And we kinda weirded them out. We we censored them. We canceled the canceled Karens.

1:60Richard Greaser And the side effect of canceling Karens was just, you know, people just the generosity. There's nobody to ask for the manager. There's nobody to take responsibility and we missed the Karens. And it's it's just so obvious now. And

2:17Richard Greaser Mars, like, I was talk we were talking before we started recording is that, like, the the maxis used to be kinda like the Karens on Bitcoin Twitter, calling out scammers and and and shit like that. And I it made me realize that the ultimate Karens of Bitcoin Twitter the past three years was triple elite memes, and you're not affiliated with triple elite memes anymore.

2:40Richard Greaser But I think a lot of our listeners will know you because you came up. We're talking to Vee Mars, the guy who was just cranking out memes and calling out scammers, and finally got some of the biggest the biggest debts of of exposing scammers in 2023. So how are you doing, Mars, and what do you think about that

3:03Mars comparison? That that's a fair comparison. You know? Especially expecting unreasonable results, was, you know, in the triple eight memes, ethos, I would say.

3:19Mars Putting putting, a lot of people under the spotlight, when we ourselves, were basement dwellers and, not doing money, much of anything, in Bitcoin.

3:33Mars It was really like a a Karen sort of vibe that we had. And I think it maybe served some purpose for sure, but, at the same time, it's not around currently in Bitcoin Twitter. And

3:48Mars maybe it needs to be brought back. You know? Maybe it needs to be brought back.

3:52Richard Greaser Well, you know, I take exception to you to the way you used Basement Dweller because Bitcoin podcasters, sometimes we have our podcast. It's kind of the modern man cave in our basements, and we spend at least forty hours a week down there listening to podcasts. We're podcasting ourselves, and we're very critical

4:13Richard Greaser of, you know, fiat and the government and central banks, and we're expose and we're exposing feds. But, you know, just because we're basement dwellers doesn't mean that we can't, you know, we can't have an opinion.

4:28Mars Yeah. That we don't have a voice too. You know? Just because most important voice. Yeah. I've been unemployed for the last year. Doesn't mean that, I don't have a lived experience and that it's worth mentioning and putting out there into the Twitter ethos. I I hear you. So, yeah, Basement Dwellers unite,

4:47Mars let's bring it back.

4:49Rod Palmer I think one of the most powerful parts about being a Basement Dweller is you sit at the crossroads of being able to aggregate some of the most interesting people and their experiences.

5:03Rod Palmer Right? Because if you're at home all day and you're looking at your your typewriter on Twitter and you're listening to Bitcoin podcast, you in a day could cover a lot of ground. So you're you're living through some of Dennis Porter's best announcements, some of

5:22Rod Palmer Robert Breedlove's smartest revelations, some of Lynn Alden's macro predictions. Mhmm. Take that altogether, and it just blows away a lot of these other people that are doing things like

5:37Rod Palmer going through the car wash and listening to pop music and listening to the politics podcast, they're just they're not aggregating as much information. So I would argue that sometimes the basement dweller, the orange shell,

5:56Rod Palmer is superiorly equipped at seeing the world than those that are going out and experiencing things.

6:04Mars Well and not to mention, but, basement dwellers are the ones that, are willing to go down the rabbit hole. You know? Because they're already six feet under. Right? They're already in the basement. So they go down any rabbit hole they want. And

6:21Mars as a result, they find truth, and they're able to shed light. They're they're the ones with the cork board with the yarns going across a million different ways saying you gotta take a look at this and putting on the tinfoil hats. And it's a it's a critical role for society in my opinion.

6:41Richard Greaser Yeah. And, you know, to take it back to the Karens, one of the things I I told you today, you know, off podcast was that, 2025 is gonna be a big year for Karens and one of the reasons I know this and one of the reasons I've seen this coming is I'm following the trends I see

7:03Richard Greaser that OpenAI put out a report that women are constantly and disproportionately oath they're apologizing to ChatGPT. And ChatGPT messes up, like the women say I'm sorry and they're very polite, they say thank you and they're very cordial chat GPT and it they the study proved that women are now more polite to AI

7:24Richard Greaser than they are to their husbands. And it's that's kind of like kind of like a care and emerging, I think, like a leading indicator. Because I think why are why are women more polite to AI than to their husbands is because AI does its job. And so, because AI does its job, Karens are gonna start being not very polite

7:46Richard Greaser The people who don't do their jobs. So if you're out there and you're being lazy at work or you're being lazy on the job, if Karen is gonna come and and point it out to you, and you're gonna be, like, have the motivation to, like, get it together. 100%.

7:59Mars And the Karens of society that we've been demonizing, they saw the inertia of the problem long before anyone else. And I kinda feel like, you know, they were struggling

8:13Mars to to fight the decay of society, that they saw where, you know, restaurant orders weren't coming out as they were ordered

8:23Mars or dry cleaning made you wait an extra ten minutes. And they saw it. They saw it all on the wall. They had that But it's like dweller vibe. You know? But they it is it's a very motherly,

8:37Richard Greaser thing to do because what she's essentially telling you is, like, these Karens know that in the coming technological revolution with AI, you're going to have to be faster, more efficient if you wanna survive. So she's they're trying to encourage people to

8:54Rod Palmer to step their game up. We gotta bring them back. Can we get a so we have a lot of known native English speaking listeners. I think it would be good to define what a Karen is before we continue on a whole lot further on this topic. Do either of you feel strongly about defining it?

9:14Mars Well, my take is, Karen is, someone with, you know, streaks in her hair, sharp bangs,

9:26Richard Greaser a poof in the back. The same haircut as miss Hobblemont. Yeah. Very similar haircut to miss Hobblemont is not a Karen, but she looks exactly like

9:36Mars And I grew up, believing that, for women, the higher the hair, the closer to God. You know, you see a lot of Mormons, that have the same sort of vibe. And so the Karen, expects excellent service

9:51Mars and does stand for Yeah. She doesn't stand for bullshit. You know? And she'll call your shit out, and she'll ask for store credit in no time flat. And that's that's the Karens of consumerism. That's that's my definition. How about you, Rod? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I I think you do,

10:11Richard Greaser you described it very well. I would just I would say a good example would be like a Michelle Weekly. It's like a is a it's for sure a Karen. Like, who I mean, there's I've gotta be forgetting a few, especially you're in the spaces, area a lot more. Do there any good Karens other than Michelle? Oh, I'd have to say humble warrior is a fantastic

10:35Mars Karen. You know, expects his, excellence, is trying to bring the toxicity back, to Bitcoin, to protect those that are specifically bringing, value to the Bitcoin community, those that are, you know, launching projects and monetizing.

10:55Mars She she doesn't want us to stand for bullshit. I mean, I could go on and on with this topic, but I'll just stop there for now. Another one, yeah, another one is a famous podcaster,

11:03Richard Greaser Megan Kelly. So she used to be on Fox News and NBC and MSNBC and MSNBC, all those, there's been a too. Total babe. Yeah. Mhmm. Exactly. Karens can be babes for sure. Yeah. There's crossover.

11:18Mars You know? It used to be a gen x or boomer, woman that was, you know, forty pounds overweight, but Karens,

11:26Richard Greaser crossover to all aspects of Right. There's a lot of, there's a lot of there's a lot of millennial what what we did not have in the past generation, the first wave Karens, we didn't have very many millennials. But in this wave of Karens, we're gonna have way more millennial Karens.

11:45Mars So is that like,

11:47Richard Greaser like, a pendulum effect or, like, a a rubber band? I think it's a general I think it's just a generational thing. I think that, millennials were kind of a safe space generation, and they had like, the hero's journey that some of the millennials have will be finding

12:06Richard Greaser and

12:07Mars becoming the the inner tear in that they truly are. Yeah. Well and I guess my question was, like, more like when when they wake up, is it gonna be like a roaring army to the likes that we've never seen before? You know, these millennial Karens finally entering the prime of their life realizing that they've been

12:27Richard Greaser suppressed. I think we're gonna see I think we're gonna see just an explosion of care, like a millennial care and content creators. It's gonna be like, you know, with the Libs of TikTok, it's gonna be Karens of TikTok. It's gonna be Karen podcasts. It's gonna be it's gonna be an explosion

12:47Richard Greaser in Kieran Conknecht. That's, like, that's how you will see it coming. I mean, I'm excited for it, to be honest. It's gonna be great. So, yeah. I mean, there's gonna be people out there we all know, and maybe it will be one of us. We're gonna want to simp some Karens. We're gonna wanna simp a can. I mean, I'll simp a Karen any day of the week,

13:06Mars you know, any day of the week. There's there's something special there that, you know, it's just it's an exciting it's an exciting thing to support Karen for sure.

13:18Richard Greaser Right. Like, people used to simply these like, the women on Instagram or or some you know, they were hot or maybe an OnlyFans girl, but now they're gonna start simping Karens. I mean, there's gonna be a a trend. It's gonna push a shift. What are what are the negative consequences of this, like, bull market and current debt and this bull market and current podcasts.

13:43Richard Greaser I think that it's going to provide a lot of cover for Feds because feds are Karens.

13:55Mars Yeah.

13:57Richard Greaser I mean, that's if you agree with that. Feds can be hot.

14:01Mars Feds are hot, dude. They're quite often hot. That's that's the way the feds work, you know, especially in, like, a male dominated, dissident, anti state, anti government, anti Wall Street,

14:15Mars anti Silicon Valley, tax evasion advocating, dissident group that's attached to the most powerful financial instrument of all time when it's dominated by men. The way that I would infiltrate that if I was a fed, at least from the social stack of things, right, because Bitcoin is a technology stack. It's a financial stack, but it's also a social movement. It's a social stack. The way I would infiltrate that would be

14:46Mars to bring in some pretty hot Karens. You know? Rise to the top. Get the simps to follow. Get the simp army army on board. Control shit. I mean, that I mean, I should write the playbook for them. I'm thinking, like, if they're not doing this, they should be doing it for sure. Yeah. I'd like to hear more about

15:06Rod Palmer the Fed's playbook and what you think that is.

15:11Mars Well, so that's the thing is, like, you know, a lot of people I talk on Bitcoin Twitter don't think that, the feds are on Bitcoin Twitter. And the main, explanation for that is that, we're not big enough to care.

15:27Mars But as I was just saying, I think it's it's an incredibly powerful, anti state dissident social movement, grassroots movement. And if, if you were to, you know, do a little bit of research on this, it's quite obvious that the feds infiltrate all the dissident movements. You know, they they infiltrated,

15:51Mars January 6, which was just a flash in the pan. They infiltrated Occupy Wall Street. They've infiltrated the hacker group Anonymous. They've infiltrated, far more meaningless

16:07Mars movements like even the Keystone Pipeline protest that was happening, before before COVID. And when I get some perspective that this is what they do to dissident movements, they infiltrate it,

16:24Mars which there's proof that they did with all of these, then it's a no brainer that they're infiltrating Bitcoin Twitter on on the social side of things for sure. And, from what I understand or what I believe, they're they're here to,

16:43Mars to rise within, to become leaders of it, to be your friend, to organize the the social movement. I think a lot for a few years, at least, on Bitcoin Twitter, my perception of feds was that they were here to cause chaos or to troll it or try to fracture the community, to try to break it up within, and I think that's a completely wrong take.

17:08Mars If you look at, what they did with, the Occupy Wall Street movement and the hacker group anonymous is, they turned the leader, name a guy named Sabu. Sabu,

17:22Mars hacked, a private contracting, US intelligence contracting company called Stratfor in, was it, January 2011?

17:35Mars And they got him for it, and they turned him fed, quite literally, in a twenty four hour period, and they rereleased him into the wild. And at the time, he was the the top guy of, the hacker group anonymous. And, his first,

17:51Mars actions as a FBI informant was to quite literally consolidate the group chats that he was involved with. He consolidated all the group chats. He got all of his different groups together under one roof, and then he convinced all of them to,

18:08Mars take the fight to the streets and to join occupy Wall Street. And so to me, that speaks to the fact that, feds, aren't here to break it up within, but to co opt it and to control the the dissident movements

18:23Mars with specific goals, which we can get into. But, yeah, that's that's my perspective.

18:30Rod Palmer Yeah. I'm not is so how does PodCon fit into this? So I'm kind of seeing some overlap between Occupy Wall Street and Podkom. Right? So Bitcoin's kind of a Internet related phenomenon. Right?

18:49Rod Palmer And then all of a sudden, this organization comes on, and they try to marry this online phenomenon with meeting in person, essentially, at these conferences. Right?

19:04Rod Palmer Like, OPSEC is thrown out the window. KYC is promoted.

19:09Mars It's a it's a honeypot technique. Right? And it's also a social co cohesion technique in my opinion. Right? Because, if you are a fed that is organizing or leading, a dissident online movement, the way you, get even closer to these people is you meet them in person. You party with them, you drink with them, go out to eat with them,

19:34Mars do all the things with them. And so if that's what Podkoff is doing, major red flag, dude. Major red flag.

19:41Rod Palmer You play basketball with them.

19:44Richard Greaser Yeah. I mean, like, there's a there's a there's a conference this summer where you can go camping with your favorite Bitcoin podcaster, favorite Bitcoin influencer. It's like, you can basically go to a cabin

19:58Mars out in the middle of, like, an island off New Hampshire, and you could go camping with your favorite orange pilled fed. I mean, it sounds like a pretty good time, and that's the problem with it. But it I've gotta be honest. It sounds like a good old time. I still wanna go. You know? Sometimes I'm like, I gotta go to these conferences to see what the feds are doing, you know, because it's just too curious. It's just too hot. Problem. Right? Like, what we had you know, when when I we first met,

20:22Richard Greaser I was excited. I got I was able to finally, talk to and meet the guy who, in my opinion, has the best, like, sniffer nose for fads in all of the Bitcoin community. You seem to kind of spot a FED from a mile away. It's like you're you're like the rain man of of finding Feds. And so we had a lot of off off the record interviews as I'm a journalist. I'm a credential journalist.

20:50Richard Greaser I just wanted to interview off the record, and I and what I learned was what inspired me to write one of my biggest hit, you know, songs, which is about, fall in love with the Fed, and it talks about how we you talked about, yes, they do infiltrate, these communities. And I could some of it is, like,

21:14Richard Greaser all of it from the top, it is a, you know, a the government initiative. And but other problem is through so many Bitcoin podcasts, the orange peeled a lot of Feds and they just naturally started to find these podcasts and find like these everything that's advertised on podcasts and find these spaces,

21:35Richard Greaser follow them around, and then take that information back to, you know, the CIA. And it's our own fault. The Orange built them. Yeah.

21:44Mars Yeah. Because we want as many people to get into Bitcoin as possible. Right? And so it's a it's a inevitability that the feds are here and that they're understanding Bitcoin. You know, they're in the game like, like y'all are. Right? And,

22:02Richard Greaser How many people have an open lightning channel that they just one off in 2022 when they set up their Umbrel node? How many people have a I mean, people will talk a big game on Twitter, and then they have a lightning channel open with seven feds. No, bro. I don't have it. I I'm not I'm not, like, accidentally

22:19Mars fucking opening lightning channels with feds. It's like, dude, you did it willingly. Well, in the feds, they're like the goat at this game. Right? Like, they aren't

22:29Richard Greaser bad at what they do. Smart, and they're motivated. Like, they Exactly. When you are well, I learned Bitcoin. Like, it took me a long time before I was smart enough and had enough, initiative to, like, learn how to use a hardware wallet or learn how to mine. Like, a lot of people, they don't even know how to spend their Bitcoin. They they they don't even, know how to consolidate their EJX. But Feds were motivated. Feds feds know how to fucking they know how to use cold card. They know how to use, noncompliant

22:58Richard Greaser self custody lightning. They know how to set up lightning nodes. They they set up group chats. Like, they it's they're just motivated and, like, they're smarter. And when you're like, I need to ask a question about Bitcoin, sometimes the only person who has a tutorial to help you use your wallet, it's a Fed.

23:14Mars It's a Fed. And then there are other you know, there's probably foreign actor feds too. So it's like, well, then do I work with the foreign actor feds to take out the domestic feds and troll the domestic feds or not? It's a whole thing. You know, you gotta weigh your options. It's like how much how friendly do the feds do you wanna be?

23:33Richard Greaser It's a And it wants to be the guy who, like, has to tell his group chat that, hey, guys. I'm sorry. That sediment I had you all sign up for, that was run by a fed. Then you're gonna get everybody's gonna be pissed at you. You fucking call you think you you can be perfect on your privacy, and then one of your group chat friends just stuck in. You you think you can trust them, and then they hook you up with a fed and a fed fed them in. Yeah. And then they start calling you a simp and all that. You know? Like, look what you did, you simp. And it's like, yeah. I know.

24:00Mars I guess the best thing to do is just to own up to it. You know? Just be honest and move on. And it is what it is. I don't know.

24:09Rod Palmer How how did you develop your sixth sense for smelling of beds, sniffing them out? So, like, in the gay community, you know, there's certain individuals, like, certain women, certain gay men

24:24Rod Palmer that can sniff out a gay person from a mile away, and they call it gaydar. So two questions. Like, how did you develop your fed gaydar? And the second question is, what would you call

24:39Rod Palmer that? Would you call it your fed gaydar, or is it something else?

24:45Mars Well, you know, don't they say that, like, those that have the best gaydar are gay dudes or repress gay dudes. And so, like, I don't know the answer to that question, but maybe it's, like, my inner fed coming out. You know? It's like

25:03Mars some that's that's saying, if you spot it, you got it. Or when you're criticizing someone, you're really projecting, you know, your your inner self or insecurities onto them. And so

25:17Mars maybe it's just my inner statist fed self

25:22Richard Greaser that Right. And that's that's the ultimate that's the ultimate problem with this, you know, predicament we're in. Right? Is that you start to realize that you don't necessarily have to be

25:39Richard Greaser an employee of the FBI or an employee of the CIA or an employee of the Sheriff's Department to be a fed. Because if it's somebody you have to think about that. Like, you have to if somebody like Mars, fucking ghost of Mars could be a fed, anybody could be a fed.

25:56Richard Greaser And it's like, you know what I mean? It's so it's like it's it's an emerge being a fed is an emergent property. And if we all have an inner fed, but so sometimes some people just don't know how to suppress it. I mean, it's the great,

26:12Mars struggle of every human. It's a human experience, you know, to identify as a fed and then to choose to either lean in or to lean out.

26:23Richard Greaser But it's health and it's healthy to be everybody, every podcaster, Every influencer has to go through. It's almost like a ritual of being called a fed. Yeah. You're gonna be called the fed eventually.

26:38Richard Greaser You have to end. Whether it's maybe they're just in a fucking meme gang. Somebody's gonna call you a Fed. Yeah. How how do you beat those allegations? Like, you've gotta look inward. You've gotta search your soul sometimes, or you just happen to you just have to get through it.

26:54Mars And at least outwardly, when you do be or when people start accusing you of being a fed, you gotta lean into it. It's the only way. You know? It's like Michelle Lee weekly when she we leaned into it, a few days ago. And it's like, props. Like, that's that's the move, and I respect her for that. It's like, if you're gonna be, accused of being a fed, you might as well

27:20Mars then call yourself a fed. It's the only way. Yeah. I think

27:25Richard Greaser anybody who has been around long enough can start to tell the difference between a Fed and not a Fed for the most part because the the Feds who are doing it for their job,

27:43Richard Greaser they're just trying to afford their taxes. They they don't have the passion. They're not listening to forty hours of Bitcoin podcasts a week. They're just doing enough to afford their taxes. But the people who are really, really, really with the the just above and beyond, if they're if they're leaning into being a fed, it's obvious because it's like there'd be so much they're just so much better than the real feds. It's like he has more potential than being a fed.

28:11Mars Yeah. I I hear you. And it's like some of the fed you know, when the feds, kinda cross the line, in my opinion, is like and they start controlling the group chats, or they start flexing the in group, out group dynamics of the community, or they start gatekeeping.

28:30Mars You know? It's like when I start to desire those sorts of things, which I have in the past, then I know I'm too fed, and I gotta get less fed. Right? And that's maybe where I'm at with, like,

28:45Richard Greaser the whole perspective on this this sort of topic. Yeah. Sometimes you just gotta stop and appreciate the fact that Lynn Alden is hot. Just Exactly. Just slow down. Yeah.

28:55Mars Yeah. Slow down. You know? Smell the roses. Lin Alden's hot. Smoke a cigarette. Smoke is well, I'm smoking a vape, but, Richard can smoke a marble or whatever it is,

29:11Mars you know, and just enjoy that you've got a lot.

29:15Rod Palmer I appreciate it. So I wanna bring up a topic. So to me, it feels like in some ways, the feds are being very successful right now. In some ways, it feels like they're falling apart and seriously failing.

29:33Rod Palmer Let me share this with you guys' screens. The Biden administration is essentially attempting to ban cigarettes.

29:45Rod Palmer I don't know if you guys have seen this. No. So he wants to reduce nicotine levels in cigarettes by 95%.

29:53Mars So just straight carcinogenics? No, no nicotine anymore?

29:59Richard Greaser Just straight carcinogens? Just use other filler, but it would be it would just make cigarettes. So it would make cigarettes and take away all their quality, so like it would stop helping you improve your critical thinking, it would stop helping you solve problems, help you help you overcome Feds, things like that. It would just

30:20Richard Greaser it would just take up your time. They just want to distract you. Having not, you know,

30:28Rod Palmer no nicotine cigarettes is just a distraction. Yeah. I mean, I think one of the most important pillars of being able to discern reality in the world we live in is having the ability to smoke cigarettes. There's something,

30:45Rod Palmer you know, very spiritual and grounding about the process of smoking a Marlboro red. It just improves your cognitive function and it kills parasites, boosts your testosterone, turns you into not being a pussy. And

31:01Rod Palmer what people need in an environment like this, in an adversarial mind or environment like this, is they need to not be pussies. And cigarettes are one of the pillar stones of of which you can build on, essentially.

31:18Mars So am I, falling for the FedSCI app when I'm, taking a hit of this fifty milligram SaltNick vape right now? This, strawberry farm cake flavored

31:31Mars deliciousness?

31:33Rod Palmer I I would consider vaping to do smoking kinda being like pasteurized milk versus raw milk. So, like, you get some of the effects of drinking milk, but you take all the health benefits away,

31:49Mars essentially. You're making me rethink everything.

31:52Rod Palmer Yeah. I mean, like, I I guarantee that babes, like, boost your estrogen. It turns you into a pussy. Right?

32:03Richard Greaser I mean, think about it, Wade. When when I I have the you know, I've said before on record that, I think low testosterone leads to low interest rates, and I think that look at the height of vape, popularity. It was, like, 2019, 2020.

32:21Richard Greaser There's just really low interest rates. And that's when, the popcorn lung

32:26Mars epidemic was going on too. You know? So coincidence?

32:32Richard Greaser Probably not. Yeah. Your cigarettes don't give you popcorn long. That's for sure. We're we're at a time

32:37Rod Palmer where things are hard, and we need strong men. And strong men smoke cigarettes, and that's just a fact. We've seen that historically. The great

32:50Rod Palmer building of the American empire was done on the back of cigarette smokers. Yeah. Hard men

32:60Richard Greaser need hard money and part of hard money is hard money is hard to spend and right now we need to be building and we need to be battling, and we need to be, fighting for and being strong. And we need it to be far for our wives to spend our money. Bitcoin Twitter,

33:23Mars it seems like we all yearn for more women in the space, not male leaders, but women. And I have this, like, belief that, women are like the Internet alphas.

33:39Mars They reign superior online. And they they command a control that can't be competed with with women. So how do we reconcile that as a Bitcoin community where, you know, do we ostracize the Internet alphas for the good of the Bitcoin community despite yearning for them, or do we let them in?

34:02Mars You know, letting them know that, you know, a woman with a a few 100,000 followers can change the world.

34:11Richard Greaser Yeah. It's it's really it shows you the history repeats. You know, we're kind of having as as the United States government then kind of Western democracy did with the nineteenth amendment and what the consequences of that were

34:29Richard Greaser on society. It's kinda like Bitcoin Twitter's having a do we let the Karens in? Because once we do, we may lose control of this but Bitcoin is for everyone, so how do we keep the Karens out? This is stuff that keeps me up at night, you know?

34:47Mars Keeps me up at night. I I think there's

34:50Rod Palmer you know, we had a really good interview with Jen or so. And so I don't think Jen expressly said that she's a feminist, but I I would classify her as one.

35:05Rod Palmer And one of the things that we really discussed is the gender wage gap when it comes to selling meme coins and ordinals. Women, like you said, are the Internet alphas. They get so many more podcast listens

35:22Rod Palmer than men. Men have to work a lot harder to get podcast listens. They have to work a lot harder to sell meme coins. There's a you know, really, they have to work a lot harder to sell beat picks. That's for sure. And I think there's two ways to deal or kinda cope with this coming

35:44Rod Palmer wave of women coming into the space is either you have to be a beta and just get ran over by these women who are gonna be able to sell way more meme coins than you, or you're gonna have to be an alpha

36:01Rod Palmer and smoke cigarettes and listen to more Bitcoin podcast and read I'd Rand. Those are your two choices. And I I think the answer you know,

36:14Rod Palmer this is one of the things that really bothers me about a lot of these weak people that exist in business and in journalism and all these other places, is they try and gatekeep. They try to use the state

36:29Rod Palmer as a way to, you know, regulate certain things. They try to use cultural subgroups. You know? So, like, there's this trend essentially on Twitter that I see a whole lot, which is men getting super pissed off

36:46Rod Palmer and just calling women trans. Have you seen this? No. So I see it happen all the time where these men will get really insecure about the fact that they're betas and that a woman's being smarter or more based than them. And so they'll call

37:02Mars them trans. Is this, like, the latest iteration of, like, the incel community sort of thing or men's rights? And is this their latest incel? Who are these people? I think it's just I think it's just more

37:16Richard Greaser of the the people, they kinda have denial that they they don't have as much influence as they would like to have. They don't have as much influence in their group chats. They don't have as much influence in spaces. They don't have as much influence in, you know, their the Twitter experience because they're always being outmaneuvered

37:39Richard Greaser by an alpha, like you said, like the women that control, like, these communities. It's like no matter how good they think they understand macroeconomics, nobody's gonna listen to them and what their base case prediction is over Lin Alden, if Lin Alden,

37:58Richard Greaser you know, contradicts them. So they lash out and they they get really upset when the bugle posts a meme that says Linhalda is hot because it's it's like they don't want they can't they can't be smarter than me and hot because that's not fair. Like, I shouldn't be this is this is why you know, I should be the alpha here, but this is the only reason I'm not. There's nothing I can do about it. Yeah. That's a very good summary. You see it a lot

38:26Rod Palmer I kind of imagine a lot of these people are people that think that they should be speaking at the conferences, that think they should be doing these crazy meme

38:35Richard Greaser coin. They think that they think that they should be the cool one on the core dev, you know, main contributor.

38:41Rod Palmer Yeah. Like, they may they may have been a podcaster for, like, you know, three or four years at this point, or maybe they just started it up, and they saw Hawk two as success.

38:53Mars Well, I I feel for people like that too because, like, I got that in me. Like, do you know how jelly I was that I wasn't invited to that hundred k party? You know? I heard there's a thousand people there. And I was like, you ain't inviting me? And I just sat there all night just watching the live stream, which is it was riveting, just trying to figure out who was all there and why I wasn't included. And so I got that. I feel that. I feel I feel the dudes out there that, like, you know, can't compete with Lynn Alden.

39:22Rod Palmer I hear you. And while you're watching that stream, not only are you feeling the FOMO of not being there, but you're watching Isabella ask everybody their price predictions. Like, how did that make you feel?

39:37Mars Like, why isn't she asking me?

39:40Richard Greaser You know? Right. Right. And and some people go as far when they get frustrated, and they, you know, they'll create, like, an account with love is, you know, love is Bitcoin, and they'll pretend to be a hot blonde girl to get engagement and get the followers and the retweets that they thought they deserved, but they weren't getting.

39:60Mars Yeah. But you know what? I respect the game there. I respect the game because this is HGX's thing. You scale and then you pivot, and that's what that's what he was able to do. He scaled his account, and then he handed it over to an actual woman. He pivoted. And now, you know, he's reached or they've reached or she's reached escape velocity. And it's like, why didn't I think of that?

40:24Richard Greaser Right. He wasn't exploiting he wasn't exploiting women. He was creating jobs for them.

40:30Mars He was catfish, a little bit catfish. You know, you fake it till you make it. You know, that's how it works. They sold it. They sold it. He he he created jobs for for these real women. Oh, contributing to the economy, even better.

40:42Rod Palmer So what do you think are some of the most important things for people to prepare for going forward looking at this bull market?

40:52Richard Greaser What do you mean? What do you mean? Are you bullish like me that we're gonna reprice everything, especially Canada and Tether USDT. I mean, Tether is not Tether's taking over. I mean, I think that it was crazy to watch

41:07Richard Greaser El Salvador go from being orange pill Bitcoin country, and now I think Tether's probably gonna take over. And I think they're building a Tether tower. They announced that, and the government just gave back. Okay. Yeah. They were said they're gonna give back 400,000, Bitcoin to Bitfinex, which is announced out of the door. But, yeah, they're probably gonna build a Telfort Tower, and it's gonna overshadow Bitcoin Beach.

41:31Mars Yeah. I guess I I hear what you're saying now. I mean, my think my thoughts on all of it are, that, the dollar's not going anywhere.

41:43Richard Greaser We're gonna make it stronger, in fact. We're making it stronger. That's like it. Like we said, you said you're a patriot. So you're are you excited about that?

41:49Mars You know, as long as I'm living in America and I owe Bitcoin, whatever, and it's out of my control. But, the dollar's not collapsing. Fiat isn't going anywhere. There's gonna be another big bear market with probably an 80% retracement. Maybe we'll get lucky and it's less.

42:08Mars But that my perspective again is that, like, this time isn't different, that, like, the trend is that there's cycles here. Right? And that we'll probably get to some ridiculously high number that I myself, won't even know is the top and will be expecting even higher, and then we'll, go into a bear for a while.

42:28Mars And a lot of the excitement, around Bitcoin will, will die off for a bit. Right? It's the way

42:36Richard Greaser it goes. What do you think will be the hardest thing for Bitcoiners to accept and for some people to to get over in the next ten years when, you know, they have to accept that either the dollar's not gonna go down or swan's not gonna go down. Like, both of them are just gonna somehow keep going.

42:57Richard Greaser How do you how do you think people are gonna, respond to that? Well, look. Shit coins don't die.

43:04Mars You know? I had to wake up to that fact. They don't die. Even the ones that go to zero still have some sort of tradable market, and that that's that's the reality of it. So whether it's Swan or the dollar or any of the crypto degeneracy, it's gonna be around for ten years. In fact, it's gonna be regulated

43:27Mars and institutionalized in a way that we haven't seen before.

43:31Richard Greaser And I think that and I think that one thing that is our kind of a consolation is I think that the shitcoin problem is only gonna get worse in the next few years, and

43:45Richard Greaser Shitcoin and scamming it's gonna just explode. And this is why we need Karens. This is why we need to let the Karens in to the Quinter is because there is one exception

43:59Richard Greaser to the males, can they be alpha online? And they can they can in smaller communities because Corey Clipston is the alpha Karen,

44:14Richard Greaser of Bitcoin Twitter. And without him, you know, he he doesn't tweet as much anymore. He has to go after the scammers and look what happens. We need the alpha apex Karen back or we're going to in the future to to go after the Shit Queen scammers because

44:32Mars it's gonna get bad. Yeah. And he had the hair. You know, he has the hair, so he had that going for him. Yeah. We need a new leader, right, to show us the way. And Who who could be that next alpha Karen team He will emerge. To stamp out the scammer. He will emerge, undoubtedly. I mean, look at Corey. His his star rose faster than anyone I've ever seen. You know? And so I'm just curious.

44:58Richard Greaser Plenator Plenator wants to be. You're right. Plenator wants to be, but he will never he Plenator is always the the bridesmaid, never the bride. Pleadeter is not an alpha at all. We need an alpha pleadeter. That's what Bitcoin Twitter needs. We need the we need an alpha pleadeter.

45:15Mars He's just gotta come on spaces and compete with the the female Karens and see if he can out Karen Two. Yeah. The female Karens. That's it. An alph an alpha an alpha wouldn't be afraid

45:27Richard Greaser of a little group chat, you know, chaos. They would come in and they would demand order. They and Alpha Karen would show up to spaces and if if it was going off the rails, would immediately demand to speak to the host. And the host would have to answer for the the the ness of a Twitter spaces that they have created.

45:49Richard Greaser And he would and they would set it straight, and they would rid all back group they would rid that spaces of all the scammers, and they would make it a beautiful Bitcoin only experience like Cafe Bitcoin used to be. And then they would create their own space

46:04Mars and their own group chats, and this time would be different for them. Right? That's what they would be promising. And that's that's the path to the top. It's easy. Someone's just gotta take it. Put it or sit.

46:20Rod Palmer Absolute shame that Corey is not living up to what was written on his, Bitcoin trading card. Like, that's a travesty. What'd it say?

46:33Rod Palmer Well, he was he was one of the most valuable Bitcoiners for waging war against shitcoins and be being Bitcoin only. But what did his trading card say? That? Okay.

46:44Richard Greaser Slayer of shit coins? Yeah. This this that Bitcoin trading card came out at the end of two thousand twenty two, the, like, two days after, Corey Clipston took credit for SPF,

46:60Richard Greaser and FTX collapsing. So kind of like Dennis Porter we now see like he he takes credit for like strategic Bitcoin reserves and all these announcements. Corey used to do that with Shakecoin casinos and lenders like Celsius and Luna He would take credit for taking those, those down So he had just taken down like four and a half of these big headline grads He was in the New York Times He was in Wall Street Journal. He was he was basically claiming to be kind of like the Mars of sniffing outfits. He was like trying to say that he was the

47:34Richard Greaser the the person he sniff sniffed out scans and that trading card came out and was a testament to all the credit that Corey took

47:45Richard Greaser and and and and then he just did not live, the spotlight was maybe undue to him and he was unable to handle the spotlight. And, you know, he's had to take some time and,

48:01Mars refined his inner Karen. It's a shame too because he he had the perfect pedigree to be the true alpha Karen of Bitcoin Twitter calling out shit coins. I mean, with his history of working at DNA Capital, which for those who people don't know what that is, was, Brock Pierce's, crypto hedge fund. So having spent time on the inside and right next to the big wigs

48:28Mars of, Tether and running crypto hedge funds, I mean, he was perfectly suited and trained to then pivot overnight into Bitcoin and call out all the crypto scammers

48:42Mars that he used to have an inside look at. So who else

48:46Richard Greaser Well, he also yeah. I mean, he also he also worked very closely with and learned from Neil Jacobs who was one of the top Karens in Clubhouse Mhmm. And and and spaces, and he he kind of really helped Corey kind of

49:05Mars find his footing in the club out stairs. Well, and it makes me think that the new alpha Karen isn't gonna come within, but that we need to recruit a Charles Hoskinson or someone of the like, maybe, you know, Vitalik. You know, we gotta bring them in and let them lead us

49:25Mars in this new era of Karen maximalism in the defense of Bitcoin. That might be the only way.

49:33Richard Greaser Yeah. They are. Maybe we need to create a Charles Hoskinson or somebody like that. We need to build up another crypto hero so that we can have somebody on our side in the maximalist community rise to the occasion. We need to give them that that, you know, that the

49:52Richard Greaser US government thrives on having a rival like China making them very some very very very threatening and scary like Russia as well. And that and aliens now they're saying aliens. So we need to have we need to people need to strive to become and be proud to be a soldier and to to be based and to defend the country and to have huge, huge budgets. We need to create that upon it or, you know, to insert, you know, competition.

50:21Mars So maybe it's just it's just Jerome Powell. Maybe when he gets, you know, fired or retired as the head of the Federal Reserve, we we bring him into Bitcoin and let him lead us. You know? He's the king of the shit coins. Right? He's the king. That'd be like

50:36Richard Greaser building Tather Tower in Washington, DC.

50:40Mars Well, for America.

50:42Rod Palmer Why not? I think Andrew Tate is a good candidate

50:46Richard Greaser for Alpha Karen. Mhmm. Oh, that's a actually, that is a really because Andrew Andrew Tate is also really good. I mean, he he called out Peter McCormick. He's not afraid. He was not afraid. Karens were not afraid to call out the biggest podcaster in the community. But everybody else, all the guys are, they wanna get they they wanna get invited on to be interviewed. They don't wanna say anything bad.

51:13Rod Palmer You need a Karen so powerful that they could just manhandle PodCon at will. Somebody who put Ninja Granny. Yeah. Like Ninja Granny, could you imagine if she smoked cigarettes?

51:25Mars Amazing. Reckon was. Yeah. You know, I used to go back and forth with her back in the day, and then I realized it was not a a force to be messed with. So now we're friends. And your granny

51:38Richard Greaser based. She yes. She was a she was a she did all her jealousy of of Smetsky. I think that, she would be able to rise really far.

51:48Mars Oh, so Smetsky is within the height range of a traditional female Karen, so there's something there too. Someone to consider.

51:58Richard Greaser There's a range of of of male Karens like from Spetsky all the way up to Corey.

52:04Rod Palmer It it it could look like anybody. Agree. I I think Terence Yang might be a dark horse. I think Terence is gonna come back at some point with some power and fury.

52:16Richard Greaser Shinobi was saying the other day that he misses Terrence already.

52:19Mars Well, Terrence is co opting the Democrats right now. You know, he's doing God's work. He's infiltrating, back into the Democratic, networks that he used to have. Right? And so I expect him to show up with, like, a legion of Democrats in the cycle or two just ready to fucking, you know, maximize the shit out of the left and,

52:39Mars bring freedom and do God's work all at the same time.

52:44Rod Palmer Do you think there's more Karens on the left or the right? Crosses all boundaries.

52:51Richard Greaser I I agree. I but I think that the the Karens of the right are the ones who are gonna be the most outspoken and the most dominate the content in the cycle. So the Libertarian party

53:07Rod Palmer is essentially what happens when you take a bunch of Karens and you lock them in a room with each other. The question is, how do we prevent the Bitcoin ecosystem from becoming like the Libertarian Party? And how do we unleash our Karen assets

53:24Rod Palmer outward to wage chaos elsewhere and not have all the essentially aggressive energy directed at each other? Or do we wanna keep the infighting? No. I think I I think that,

53:41Richard Greaser it's not a problem because Bitcoiners are way more statist than libertarians.

53:46Mars Yeah. We have that as our backbone. You know? Too many people with the inner fed.

53:51Richard Greaser Yeah. Compared to libertarian. Because the the feds wanna win, and libertarians don't want one. And we're still attached to this this thing called Bitcoin

53:59Mars that can't lose. You know? So, like, we can be as messy and hostile and fractionalized

54:09Mars as a community as we want, but, Bitcoin will probably push us to the finish line. Nonetheless, we're gonna be a hot mess run by Karens, and we're still gonna win. Do you think that do you do you think there's too much pressure

54:25Richard Greaser on female Bitcoin influencers to be hot because the male Bitcoin influencer does not have to worry about being hot. They can just wear car door shorts and be fat and short and smoke you know, not smoke cigarettes. So

54:41Mars Yeah. I mean, I know one fed that, you know, has done lip injections, face filler, Ozempic,

54:52Mars and all the rest. And, you know, that's that's the plight of, having to, succeed

55:01Mars in this industry. So I would say that your question is answered by the proof of of those instances that are out there. It's a sad reality, but true.

55:14Richard Greaser I don't know. Richard might have a few more questions here. But my last question, you know, for you tonight is, what are your tips on if you want a fed girlfriend? How could you go about getting one? Maybe through group chats, through active spaces. How do you get how do you find a fed an orange built girlfriend?

55:35Mars Well, you gotta back channel with them to start. Right? So you gotta be part of this this simple little coalition that will coordinate and block anyone that they don't like. You gotta answer their phone calls. You gotta spend

55:52Richard Greaser many hours on the phone with them talking You're gonna you're gonna give them your phone number. Yeah. Somebody from, like, a DM on Twitter, like, you're gonna give me your actual phone number or, like, like, the, you know, a burner?

56:05Mars You can do however you want, but you just gotta be voice to voice, and you gotta answer the call when you get it. And you gotta start off in the friend zone. You know? And you you gotta let them, do their thing to you. You know? It's kinda like, because they are the alpha, and and we're the betas. Mhmm.

56:25Mars Right? And so it is a role reversal. If you want a fed girlfriend on the Internet, recognize that you're the beta and answer the phone calls when they call. That's it.

56:39Richard Greaser So if you think if you think you've found a fed girlfriend and you're the one who is you feel like you're in charge of the situation, you are probably gonna get rug pulled. Is that what you're saying? It's not a Fed?

56:57Mars That's actually the sweet spot. It's when you believe you're in charge, but you're not. Right? As soon as you start to realize you're not in charge, then she'll leave you. She'll leave you. So the sweet spot is to be in a delusion that you that it's all good. Kinda like a dominatrix

57:18Rod Palmer relationship

57:19Mars mixed with Stockholm Syndrome. It is what it is. You know? And it's a fun ride while it lasts. It's a fun ride. When do you know

57:26Richard Greaser that it's time to end this rendezvous with a fed? She is. You know, you might meet a fed, you might white you may this might not even be your fed girlfriend, but you you just meet a you meet a fed that you you you like kind of you're there and you go to their spaces, you listen to their podcast, you go you talk to them, maybe you can give give them their friend number, but you know they're fed. When do you know it's time to to cut off that fed? You had some time you've learned you learned a little bit and made us, you know, kind of a friend, I guess. No. No. It's it's time to walk away. You're not in control.

57:59Mars It's like a dream. You only wake up, and after the fact, you realize it was a dream. So enjoy the ride while it lasts. You are not in control.

58:11Richard Greaser That sounds like my situation with miss Hollow Knot. It's got me really thinking everything differently now. Yeah. You doing alright with that? Not anymore now that I realized that she might be a fit, so I can't get out of it. Well, let me know if you wanna talk. You know? I'm here for you. I don't know if I really have any more questions.

58:28Rod Palmer I apologize, Mars. I'm very tired. We're good, dude. I just think, like, the these types of government actions where they can totally turn your life upside down,

58:43Rod Palmer it I I don't think it will pass. I don't think people will allow cigarettes to get banned, but it kinda creates that baseline level of anxiety. It just makes you tired. You know what I mean? And I I guess I I'm giving it too much power. I shouldn't really care. Because if they ban cigarettes, I don't care. I'm still gonna smoke cigarettes. They can't stop me. I'm not going for 95% less cool cigarettes. I'm going for the full 100%.

59:12Richard Greaser Yeah. They're not, yeah, they're not even enforcing, like, any like, I think they're gonna probably stop. Or if they're still letting people, like, loot Walgreens, you know, and poop on the street, like, I don't think they're they're gonna spend they they can't come after beef or smoke or cigarette.

59:28Mars I mean, if Go ahead. Go for it, Richard. I'm sorry.

59:34Rod Palmer Well, if if they really wanna clamp down, I'll move to Virginia. I'll start a tobacco plantation, and I'll make my own cigarettes, and I'll sell them noncompliantly. I will die on this hill.

59:49Richard Greaser Oh, yeah. I mean, you can also just move to El Salvador. You know, if you're a cigarette smoker, it's gonna be safe to smoke cigarettes down there if it's kinda like you whether you're a Bitcoin dollar smoker.

59:58Mars I think this is a a battle within more than anything. You know? It's like, if you don't let the inner fed within win, then the feds out there can't win.

1:00:12Mars And

1:00:13Richard Greaser Maybe maybe maybe maybe this obsession with infighting and just distraction and like kind of a libertarian and division

1:00:24Richard Greaser is just people who libertarians are just people who they're trying to control their inner fed and they're just so worried they can't They're just projecting their problems on all the other people who are struggling with controlling their inner fed. Any other everybody else who kind of transcends is just kinda has a much more pragmatic approach

1:00:45Richard Greaser to everything because they have their fed their inner fed kind of in in balance. Agreed.

1:00:53Rod Palmer Super based. Well, do we wanna read last week's fountain boost? Let's do it.

1:00:58Richard Greaser Sure. We'll go through we'll go through these fast, fundamentals, 10,000 sats. Great episode. I love that you're willing to drop satire for such a strong gas like Rob. Thank you, fundamentals. This isn't satire. This is news. There's just a a news interview, but,

1:01:16Rod Palmer glad you enjoyed it. I just wanted to say real quick, ours. We interviewed Rob Hamilton last week. I don't know if you got a chance to, hear a little.

1:01:27Mars No. But I know Rob. Only very Because? Very superficially. Not that well.

1:01:35Rod Palmer So question for you. Are you Jewish? No. So this is our second episode in a row without a Jew. Before this, we went two episodes in a row with a Jew. I just wanted to say that.

1:01:49Mars That's the question. That's the oh, you're just getting on the record with this. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean, disclosure is the most important thing. You know? So I appreciate you telling me. Fundamentals is a Jew,

1:02:01Rod Palmer just by the way. Wow. You'd never know.

1:02:05Richard Greaser Except for except for when it comes to spending money on his own podcast.

1:02:11Rod Palmer Except for when you interview him, and then he tells you that he's Jewish. Awkward. Okay. Our other boost is for we didn't get very many boosts on this one. Our other boost for 420 sats from Pies is

1:02:26Rod Palmer beers emoji, cigarette, cigarette, cigarette, cigarette, cigarette. That says it all. So, you know, we've been doing this podcast for less than a year. It so the show you're on is called Behind the Podcast. It's a new segment that we just started.

1:02:44Rod Palmer But we did the Bugle Weekly for forty two weeks in a row, and we earned, like, 4,000,000

1:02:55Rod Palmer sats on fountain,

1:02:57Richard Greaser which is pretty cool. Yeah, man. You should you should start one. You should start a podcast, Mars. Yeah. I think the people want a Mars thoughts, podcasts organized, not arguing with all the misfits on spaces, not, having to defend

1:03:16Richard Greaser accusations of being a fed, PodConf approved, not having to not have to deal with all the chaos thoughts from Mars.

1:03:25Mars You know, it's kind of a genius idea because it's like a one way messaging. Right? It's like total narrative control. It's like, I don't have any rebuttals. I don't have any disagreements coming at me. I don't have to explain anything if I don't want.

1:03:44Mars It's like the total Yeah. I have package. I think I think that some people

1:03:50Richard Greaser have kind of a rip part of ideas and, but I think all ideas are until you look at the proof of work behind them and you realize, oh, maybe this isn't as crazy as I thought and I think that sometimes you when you get distracted, instead, you just need to,

1:04:09Richard Greaser have that, like you said, that monologue, show us the proof of work, and then we can do it. Alright. That's not that idea is not as as retarded as I thought it was.

1:04:19Mars Yeah. I appreciate that. That's good advice for sure. So what has prevented you from starting a podcast

1:04:26Rod Palmer prior?

1:04:29Mars Shit posting online, spending all my time doing that. Spaces You can do both. You can do both. I'm addicted to spaces too. You know? The mess and chaos.

1:04:40Richard Greaser You need the feedback. You need the feedback, don't you? You need the immediate feedback. Drama. I like the draw I'm here for the drama.

1:04:48Mars You know? That's it these days.

1:04:51Richard Greaser I think that's that's the problem, Mars. You need to keep listening to forty hours of Bitcoin podcast because

1:04:57Mars you need to lower your time preference. You need to lower your time preference to feedback so you can really cook. I'm gonna have to let that aspect of my life go, though. The draw you know, like, my wife and I, we've we've run through all the Real Housewives, all the Vanderpump rules, all the summer, southern charms.

1:05:16Richard Greaser You're

1:05:17Mars a drama addict. I mean, we got Bravo unlocked, dude, and I'm a part of that. So, like and, you know, I have an addictive personality. Right? So, this is gonna I might have to 12 step this.

1:05:30Richard Greaser You know? I might No, man. I I somebody who loves drama, somebody who loves drama, I get it, but you are a drama addict. When you are listening when you are doing forty hours of drama, you know, posting on Twitter, and then you're watching forty hours of drama reality TV on Hulu with your wife. And then you're probably, you probably get forty hours of drama.

1:05:53Richard Greaser You probably listen to the only, it's the most dramatic Bitcoin podcast. And you're on Clubhouse too. You are yeah. You love drama, man. But that that is why we love you. That's why we need a podcast from you. Like a TNZ.

1:06:09Rod Palmer Are you familiar with the Bitcoin power law?

1:06:13Mars Am I what with Bitcoin power law?

1:06:16Rod Palmer Are you familiar with Bitcoin power law?

1:06:20Mars Well, the power law, I am. I didn't know there was a podcast. Yeah. So, essentially, the way it works

1:06:25Rod Palmer is the more Bitcoin podcasts are, the higher the price goes up. So I think there's these two models that makes Bitcoin go up. Right? There's, like, the PodCon philosophy on NGU through compliance,

1:06:41Rod Palmer which definitely makes Bitcoin go up. But it leads to a world I don't think we won't. Now the other one is everybody starting a podcast. So the the more Bitcoin podcasts are, the more the price goes up because the more people hear about Bitcoin. I'm in.

1:07:01Mars I mean, you sold me. Yeah. Alright. I'll get cooking. Oh, yeah. You gotta do your part. Gotta do my part.

1:07:07Richard Greaser There is a lot of people out there who really love Real Housewives of whatever city and they enter Pumper Rules, and they need a Bitcoin podcast for them.

1:07:19Mars Yeah. There there's not a good podcast that represents the Bitcoin Real Housewives crossover, you know, and there needs to be, I guess. How can you, you know,

1:07:33Richard Greaser be a Real Housewife? And like you just said, you're in control of the whole situation, but your husband has. You found a guy with a ton of Bitcoin and gold storage.

1:07:42Mars Well, and this is where we might find the next Karen in this community.

1:07:47Richard Greaser Yeah, just be careful not to marry a Karen because even if even if you don't pay taxes she's still gonna spend it. Preach. Brian Morris, thank you for coming on I think this is a great podcast and

1:08:04Rod Palmer yeah, Richard, anything else? No, dude. This was so much fun. Thank you for having me. I just hope you start a podcast and I hope you take that vape and you throw it in the trash and you buy part pack Marlboro rides and if Biden bans it, then you could be noncompliant and support free market economics with

1:08:24Rod Palmer the noncompliant cigarette commerce.

1:08:28Mars But Yeah. Well, easy does it, you know? So, like, if I'm gonna sober up on drama, I might have to keep the vape for a crutch for a bit. You know? You can't You know what, Mars? I'm gonna make I'm gonna make you a commercial

1:08:45Richard Greaser for the the Mars Bitcoin podcast. And because you know I made you that video with a commercial a while ago. I wanna thank you your first Bitcoin podcast commercial. Okay. And I hope that inspires you. Alright. I look forward to seeing it. It's gonna be great. Everything you do is fire, dude. Well, thank you for coming on, Mars.

1:09:03Rod Palmer And, yeah, thank you everybody for listening to this episode. Hope you have a good one. Yeah. Thanks, dude. Thanks, everyone.