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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-0">0:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-0" data-t="0">Welcome</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2" data-t="2">to this edition of Behind the Podcast. This is your co host, Richard Greaser. And tonight, we're gonna be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-10" data-t="10">interviewing,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-13" data-t="13">prolific,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-14" data-t="14">Bitcoin bear and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-17" data-t="17">Twitter space's commentator,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-19">0:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-19" data-t="19">Shinobi.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-20" data-t="20">How you doing tonight, Shinobi? Doing alright. Doing alright.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-25">0:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-25" data-t="25">Enjoying a beer</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-27">0:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-27" data-t="27">after five years. Yeah. What's, what's the celebration tonight? What's, why are you drinking the special beer? Well, I don't know. I think that, like, Bitcoin,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-36">0:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-36" data-t="36">just hit a point where it it deserves finally drinking a beer after five years.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-42" data-t="42">A 100 k. It just just feels right.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-46">0:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-46" data-t="46">USDT.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-48" data-t="48">100,000</span> <span class="cue" id="t-49" data-t="49">tethers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-50" data-t="50">for 1 Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-52" data-t="52">We finally did it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-55" data-t="55">I mean,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-56">0:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-56" data-t="56">I don't know if you saw Dennis Porter. He tweeted immediately, you're welcome. He did it. You know? That has got us over the he got us past</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-64">1:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-64" data-t="64">the cell wall. Only America, though. You know, he he he really is a bigoted nationalist</span> <span class="cue" id="t-70" data-t="70">cunt. You know, I I feel really bad for Europeans tonight, you know, who haven't quite made it to that 100 k mark yet. You know, Dennis did nothing for him. He just left him out in the cold hanging. Our ancestors</span> <span class="cue" id="t-83" data-t="83">our ancestors</span> <span class="cue" id="t-84" data-t="84">were just left there helpless</span> <span class="cue" id="t-87" data-t="87">waiting for that to come, and Dennis did nothing for them. Well, I I I appreciate</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-94">1:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-94" data-t="94">the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-95" data-t="95">importance and the respect that you have for Desport,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-98" data-t="98">but, I think you're being a little too hard on him. I think that he's doing his best</span> <span class="cue" id="t-103" data-t="103">to protect Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-105" data-t="105">self custody and protect Bitcoin's rights in America because he's gonna have to step up once, once that happens here, he's gonna have to like lead the United Nations, like the new orange United Nations, and he's gonna defend the sovereignty</span> <span class="cue" id="t-122" data-t="122">of sovereign nations to have the right to self custody.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-126">2:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-126" data-t="126">I think he's the you know, he's one step at a time. I mean, you you just think that, like, our our great great grandparents</span> <span class="cue" id="t-132" data-t="132">and their great great grandkids would be somebody that Dennis would think about. Like, I I understand. You can't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-139" data-t="139">you can't help everybody at the same time right away.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-143" data-t="143">But they're, like, distant family.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-146" data-t="146">Like, going back a hundred and twenty years, man.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-150" data-t="150">Like, you can't take care of your distant family first.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-153">2:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-153" data-t="153">It's just messed up priorities. And, like, he tries to put himself out there as a patriotic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-158" data-t="158">American Bitcoiner,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-160" data-t="160">and he isn't even thinking about our great great grandparents'</span> <span class="cue" id="t-163" data-t="163">great great grandchildren.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-165" data-t="165">That's just un American. Well,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-169">2:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-169" data-t="169">Dennis Porter is looking to the future. He's not looking to the past.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-173" data-t="173">The ancestors</span> <span class="cue" id="t-175" data-t="175">that you're speaking of are laggards,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-177" data-t="177">and</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-178">2:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-178" data-t="178">Dennis Porter does not support laggards. Dude, the past is the future. The past the the past</span> <span class="cue" id="t-184" data-t="184">decides the future.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-186" data-t="186">It's what came before</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-187">3:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-187" data-t="187">that that paves the the road for what's going to come. So right right now, I I think it's important to preference,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-195" data-t="195">before we go any further. So right now, you know, as we we we have been talking for a little bit before we started recording.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-204" data-t="204">As we've started talking, Bitcoin just hit a 100,000</span> <span class="cue" id="t-208" data-t="208">USDT per coin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-210" data-t="210">And now it's at a 103,000</span> <span class="cue" id="t-214" data-t="214">USDT</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-215">3:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-215" data-t="215">per coin for the very, very first time</span> <span class="cue" id="t-219" data-t="219">in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-220" data-t="220">Bitcoin's history.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-222" data-t="222">You know? It's looking like nothing.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-225">3:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-225" data-t="225">Which which,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-226" data-t="226">which price feed,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-228" data-t="228">which Bitcoin company or crypto company price fee were you watching when it crossed a 100 k? Because that would that's a big moment.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-236">3:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-236" data-t="236">Mhmm. It's it's it's Cash App. You know, it's it's, an American company, you know, built by a a true</span> <span class="cue" id="t-243" data-t="243">liberal American,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-245" data-t="245">and, they're they're very compliant.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-247" data-t="247">Like, they're they're one they are one of the most seamless</span> <span class="cue" id="t-251" data-t="251">compliant lightning experiences in this entire ecosystem.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-255">4:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-255" data-t="255">Like, I I couldn't imagine watching anyone else. Well, they they definitely are a big driver of Benjie.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-261" data-t="261">But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-262" data-t="262">I I just wanted to know, you know, since Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-265" data-t="265">hit a 100 k, you know, in the last</span> <span class="cue" id="t-268" data-t="268">hour and a half,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-271" data-t="271">have you thanked Dennis Porter yet? No.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-276">4:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-276" data-t="276">I was trying to craft, like, an appropriate message. You know, I'd I'd take these kinda thank you messages very seriously. But after what he did to our European</span> <span class="cue" id="t-286" data-t="286">ancestors, leaving them out in the cold,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-288" data-t="288">I don't think he deserves it yet.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-290" data-t="290">Okay. I understand. Deserves a thank you until we're we're at a 100,000</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-296">4:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-296" data-t="296">for Bitcoin too. Well, okay. I don't know. I mean, it doesn't make any sense to me. Like, you know, Dennis Porter</span> <span class="cue" id="t-302" data-t="302">is American. He he he has a American first bipartisan</span> <span class="cue" id="t-306" data-t="306">attitude. You know? He can't solve all the world's problems all at once.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-311" data-t="311">And I I feel like the burden</span> <span class="cue" id="t-313" data-t="313">the the burden of lack of NGU</span> <span class="cue" id="t-316" data-t="316">belongs on the shoulders of the Europeans who failed to to essentially create their own Dennis Ward. Dude, you Europe birthed America.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-325">5:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-325" data-t="325">Like, that that's where</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-327">5:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-327" data-t="327">Americans came from. So do you think that so do you think that Dennis doesn't respect his mother? In a way,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-334" data-t="334">Europe birthed Dennis Porter. So Dennis Porter disrespects his mom?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-339">5:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-339" data-t="339">Exactly.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-340">5:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-340" data-t="340">I I I feel like your your attitude is very,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-345" data-t="345">unpatriotic,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-346" data-t="346">and it's it's almost Canadian. You know? Because, like, Americans are not beholden to to Europeans</span> <span class="cue" id="t-352" data-t="352">in any way,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-353" data-t="353">shape, or form,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-355" data-t="355">whereas Canadians are. You know, Canadians are ruled by King Charles.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-359">5:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-359" data-t="359">Here's the thing, though. Here's the thing. Shinobi</span> <span class="cue" id="t-362" data-t="362">is somebody who likes to sip a queen.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-365" data-t="365">If he finds a queen, he's ready to sip a queen, and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-369" data-t="369">I think that's kind of probably</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-371">6:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-371" data-t="371">where he's coming from. No. It's it's it's just about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-375" data-t="375">recognizing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-376" data-t="376">your history,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-377" data-t="377">like, giving thanks to where you came from.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-381" data-t="381">But it it it's that simple. Like, you you you put it perfectly, Rob. Like, Dennis is not respecting his mother.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-389" data-t="389">He he doesn't have to let his mother rule his entire life, but he should he should show some gratitude.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-396">6:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-396" data-t="396">What I'll I'll I'll give you I'll grace you that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-399" data-t="399">My question to you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-401" data-t="401">would be,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-403" data-t="403">are we now at the point where you're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-405" data-t="405">ready to apologize</span> <span class="cue" id="t-407" data-t="407">to Michael Sailor</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-409">6:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-409" data-t="409">for,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-410" data-t="410">not believing in him that he could get us here. No. And why not? Do you think that's fair? Do you think that that, that for maybe the forgiveness is for you, not even, you know, yeah, the apology is for you, not for him. What what what what does the price of Bitcoin have to hit for you to be willing to apologize to Michael Sailor? There is no number,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-431">7:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-431" data-t="431">especially when you're asking me to give Sailor credit for Dennis' accomplishments.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-437" data-t="437">Like, Sailor Sailor didn't do anything.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-439" data-t="439">This was Dennis. Like, this is Dennis's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-443" data-t="443">and he he will get my things</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-446">7:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-446" data-t="446">when he shows his proper respect to where he came. Yeah. So it's it's Sailor needs a little bit of a ego check here as well. Let's say let's say, you know, Sailor has been</span> <span class="cue" id="t-456" data-t="456">on the timeline. He's been stepping on Dennis's toes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-460" data-t="460">with announcements and announcements and announcements</span> <span class="cue" id="t-463" data-t="463">for for example, Marathon keeps, getting,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-468" data-t="468">raising money to buy Bitcoin like like MicroStrategy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-471" data-t="471">is, and Sailor has been doing a lot of the announcements for that. And it's it's you can really tell that and then Dennis are competing for credit</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-480">7:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-480" data-t="480">for this big achievement. Yeah. I mean, he's just an arrogant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-483" data-t="483">arrogant clown. He's constantly looking for somebody else's work to take credit for. Like, he he deserves no thanks. So would would you put Michael Saylor in the same camp as Dan Held? Yeah. I almost would.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-496" data-t="496">You know, actually, no. I I definitively would. But in the same way that Dan Held just just retweets other people's content as if it were his own,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-506" data-t="506">Michael Sailor just regurgitates,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-508" data-t="508">things that Trace Mayer used to say. And he he he he's just a pretend Trace Mayer. He wow. Yeah. That's a good point.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-516">8:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-516" data-t="516">It's So there's some pretty serious allegations.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-519">8:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-519" data-t="519">What if Trace Mayer came back</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-522">8:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-522" data-t="522">and called him out on this? I think that would be a well deserved</span> <span class="cue" id="t-527" data-t="527">check.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-529" data-t="529">100%.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-530">8:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-530" data-t="530">He even dresses like Trace. He starts dressing like Trace when he goes on CNBC</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-535">8:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-535" data-t="535">and Bitcoin podcast. So yeah. Yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-539">8:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-539" data-t="539">Well,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-541">9:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-541" data-t="541">are you feeling optimistic? So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-543" data-t="543">you know, I've heard some some murmurings</span> <span class="cue" id="t-546" data-t="546">recently</span> <span class="cue" id="t-548" data-t="548">that you might be potentially doing a reality TV show.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-553" data-t="553">A Bitcoin version of The Bachelor.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-556">9:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-556" data-t="556">These are completely unsubstantiated</span> <span class="cue" id="t-558" data-t="558">rumors.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-559">9:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-559" data-t="559">You're searching for a muse,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-562" data-t="562">a muse to inspire you to create beautiful orange gold</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-566">9:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-566" data-t="566">anime, non KYC anime. I think the the these rumors,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-570" data-t="570">wherever they came from,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-573" data-t="573">need to be called out as just horseshit.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-577">9:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-577" data-t="577">This is what David Thailie told us. This is what David Thailie told us.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-581" data-t="581">David likes to say a lot of things. David said if you don't if you don't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-586" data-t="586">go to Washington, DC</span> <span class="cue" id="t-588" data-t="588">and be a White House correspondent,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-591" data-t="591">like you're told, that the only alternative is that you have to go on The Bachelor</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-595">9:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-595" data-t="595">to find a niece. Doing either of those things.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-599">9:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-599" data-t="599">You you you said that out of principle that you would,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-602" data-t="602">that he would refuse to to accept your assignment.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-606">10:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-606" data-t="606">What would she what would he do next? I don't know. I think I I would have to explore the space of independent media.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-614" data-t="614">You know, I I have a lot of things to say.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-617" data-t="617">I think I have an important voice in this space, and, it needs to be heard regardless</span> <span class="cue" id="t-622" data-t="622">of whether</span> <span class="cue" id="t-623" data-t="623">David is going</span> <span class="cue" id="t-625" data-t="625">to pay me to speak or not.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-628">10:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-628" data-t="628">Could you would you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-630" data-t="630">would you procrast do you think you would procrastinate too much if you didn't have, somebody yell at you for not turning your,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-637" data-t="637">your work?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-639">10:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-639" data-t="639">I procrastinate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-640" data-t="640">plenty anyways even with that. I I don't think it would make a serious difference at all. Well, I can understand why you wouldn't wanna talk about the show,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-650">10:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-650" data-t="650">because it would kinda ruin the surprise. But I'm kinda curious, would would you be interested in doing hypotheticals,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-656">10:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-656" data-t="656">discussing a theoretical show like this? I don't I don't know what the point would be of, discussing hypotheticals of things that won't</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-664">11:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-664" data-t="664">That's what Bitcoin podcasts are all about.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-666">11:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-666" data-t="666">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-668" data-t="668">I like, the the question that that I really want answered</span> <span class="cue" id="t-673" data-t="673">is would</span> <span class="cue" id="t-675" data-t="675">would d plus plus even be eligible to be on the show? Like, does she meet the requirements of the bar</span> <span class="cue" id="t-682" data-t="682">in order to muse. And she even be your muse. Yeah. Not not even to, like, you know, be the one, but to to even have a shot at being the one for entertainment purposes. Like, maybe, you bring her on for, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-696" data-t="696">being willing to lose round one. You know? Neither or not. Yeah. No. I think that would just be cruel.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-704">11:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-704" data-t="704">I don't know. Yeah. I I I don't think it would be fair to her to to even put her in that position. Well, this this is, like, you know, a a real thing with The Bachelor, you know, shows like that, you know, which can be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-717" data-t="717">kinda cruel. Like, I I I think we would we'd have to title this show The Orange Bachelor, you know, because there's, like, the golden bachelor</span> <span class="cue" id="t-724" data-t="724">for, like, old people. I don't know if you've seen that one. Right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-729" data-t="729">But, like, a Bitcoin bachelor is an orange bachelor.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-734" data-t="734">But, yeah, I mean, like, there truly is you know, and I've been absolutely shocked by this,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-741" data-t="741">to be honest.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-743">12:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-743" data-t="743">Not not in any way it puts out to you, Shenobi, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-748" data-t="748">we we've had so much public pressure to be more inclusive</span> <span class="cue" id="t-752" data-t="752">since</span> <span class="cue" id="t-753" data-t="753">we started</span> <span class="cue" id="t-754" data-t="754">sharing our opinions on Lynn Alden being hot,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-759" data-t="759">publicly</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-760">12:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-760" data-t="760">to cover male Bitcoiners being hot for, you know, with the female Bitcoiners,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-768" data-t="768">like, to help them feel included.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-772" data-t="772">Our DMs have just been flooded,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-775" data-t="775">you know, with with ladies that think you're hot. Well, I don't know what to say, ladies.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-779">12:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-779" data-t="779">I'm a man with a higher calling in his life. So you're playing hard to get? I just have things that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-785" data-t="785">I think need to get done, Rod.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-787" data-t="787">And, What?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-788" data-t="788">I don't think many people are willing to to do what's necessary to to get them done and, go to jail.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-796" data-t="796">So I'm just gonna have to do it myself.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-798">13:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-798" data-t="798">Well well, what would you, you know, say you you would be looking for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-804" data-t="804">in in a in a match other than</span> <span class="cue" id="t-807" data-t="807">being supportive</span> <span class="cue" id="t-809" data-t="809">of you going to jail? I mean, I I think everybody should expect their,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-813" data-t="813">significant other to be supportive of them going to jail. But assuming you added that, what else what else would you, like, want in quality? Well, I don't know, Rod. You know? I'm a very sexual guy, so</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-824">13:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-824" data-t="824">should we just have to be willing to to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-827" data-t="827">make the commitment for regular conjugal business?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-831">13:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-831" data-t="831">Okay. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-834" data-t="834">if you think should I be as hot, would you, you know, would you some some of these girls are like, I would be your conjugal visit. Well, I mean, it's it's the the basic</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-842">14:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-842" data-t="842">foundation you need for any relationship. Like, it doesn't matter whether you're in jail or not.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-848">14:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-848" data-t="848">Do you kiss on the first conjugal visit? I mean, I think that'd be a little weird not to. Like, what do you think's most important for a healthy relationship?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-858" data-t="858">Having sex regularly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-861" data-t="861">and kinda being on the same page with that or listening to Bitcoin podcast together as a couple? That's a really tough that's a really tough one, Richard.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-870">14:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-870" data-t="870">I don't know. The autism in me just asked why you can't just have sex regularly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-876" data-t="876">while listening to Bitcoin podcasting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-879" data-t="879">But I I don't see why those things have to be mutually exclusive. That's a good point. Like,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-884">14:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-884" data-t="884">what about would you listen to the same The Quip podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-888" data-t="888">or different ones?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-890">14:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-890" data-t="890">I think that really depends on other Michael Saylor.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-895" data-t="895">I I don't think I I could handle listening to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-900" data-t="900">situation. I I could understand why a few</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-904">15:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-904" data-t="904">So I think it would be natural that, you would probably listen to Dennis Porter,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-909" data-t="909">like, in your headphones.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-912" data-t="912">What would what do you think would be the equivalent</span> <span class="cue" id="t-915" data-t="915">of of what,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-917" data-t="917">of what she would listen to in that in that scenario?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-920">15:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-920" data-t="920">Same thing. Yeah. I think this is just one of those situations where a man would tend to delude himself</span> <span class="cue" id="t-926" data-t="926">and answer the same thing, but I I think that the truth is Michael Saylor. Yeah. Yeah. Might be hard to but I think every I think both</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-935">15:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-935" data-t="935">would</span> <span class="cue" id="t-936" data-t="936">probably switch to listening to, like, a podcast with Adam back afterwards and then falls so they could fall asleep. Oh, yeah. That's just podcasts with Adam are are you're great for that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-947" data-t="947">But I guess</span> <span class="cue" id="t-949" data-t="949">Yeah. Yeah. Get rid of your metal tone. Better than Ambient. What, At least Ambient can be fun sometimes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-954" data-t="954">I I guess stay awake.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-956">15:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-956" data-t="956">You I guess you would have, like, different podcasts for different moods.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-961" data-t="961">You know what I mean? Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-963" data-t="963">imagine,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-964" data-t="964">like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-966" data-t="966">kinda comparing, like, an Alex Feske Bushido Bitcoin podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-970" data-t="970">episode</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-972">16:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-972" data-t="972">and, like, sex during that versus,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-977" data-t="977">a Robert Breedlove episode.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-979">16:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-979" data-t="979">Right. Like, what like, a sailor series,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-981" data-t="981">it'd be, like, lighting candles, lingerie.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-985">16:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-985" data-t="985">I I could see wanting to listen to a in a Muretake</span> <span class="cue" id="t-988" data-t="988">podcast when you really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-990" data-t="990">really wanna get down in freaky.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-993" data-t="993">Yeah. I I could definitely see that. When you'd have, like, you'd have, like,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-997">16:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-997" data-t="997">three or four whiskeys apiece.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-999" data-t="999">You've been transacting adversarially all night. You come back</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1003">16:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1003" data-t="1003">throwing some some some talk. Defiance. You you don't wanna comply</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1008" data-t="1008">that night.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1010">16:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1010" data-t="1010">Well, if I wanted to be defiant, I would listen to Peter</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1013" data-t="1013">McCormick's old podcast, Defiance.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1015" data-t="1015">I don't know if you got a chance to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1018" data-t="1018">listen to that one.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1020">16:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1020" data-t="1020">Oh, okay. You know? I I I I think the I think the British accent would probably get most ladies going. I don't I don't know. You know? There there's, like, something</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1029">17:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1029" data-t="1029">crosswired in many women's head.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1032" data-t="1032">Not all women. A lot of women have some common sense when it comes to this. But, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1037" data-t="1037">they they hear a British accent, and I guess a lot of men fall for this as well.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1041" data-t="1041">They hear a British accent and they're like, wow, this person's sophisticated.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1045" data-t="1045">You know, because, like, the TV is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1048" data-t="1048">like, I'm pretty sure the the</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1050">17:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1050" data-t="1050">Royal Monarchy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1051" data-t="1051">and, you know, the BBC and all these institutions</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1055" data-t="1055">have tried to sign up the world into thinking that British people are smart. You know, because, like, they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1061" data-t="1061">they spend so much energy getting British</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1064" data-t="1064">people to narrate podcasts</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1066" data-t="1066">and they've invested a lot of money</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1069">17:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1069" data-t="1069">and energy into</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1070">17:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1070" data-t="1070">dominating culture. And also They</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1074">17:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1074" data-t="1074">also have the best museums because they steal everybody else's things and they say it's theirs. I mean, that was one of the big consequences of the allies winning the world war winning World War II is the British were able to have better museums. They they took that opportunity away from the Germans. And the Indians. Yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1090">18:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1090" data-t="1090">I think it's just the accent and the the perception,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1093" data-t="1093">though, of of being smarter. They're not smarter.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1097" data-t="1097">No. But but but they're perceived as it because of the accent.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1102">18:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1102" data-t="1102">And then, you know, it just gets the engines rubbed. Yeah.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1106">18:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1106" data-t="1106">Well, I don't know. I mean, like, do do you would you wanna be with a woman that that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1111" data-t="1111">that enjoyed listening to a Peter McCormick podcast during sex? Because I don't I don't think I would, personally.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1118">18:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1118" data-t="1118">Oh, I'd I'd</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1120" data-t="1120">I'd be a lot more comfortable with it than than</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1123" data-t="1123">than one who wants to listen to Michael Sailor.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1126" data-t="1126">You know? What if But then I think this really this really gets to the root of why it's so hard for me to find a woman that I feel like You feel like too many of the women</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1136">18:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1136" data-t="1136">enjoy sex to Michael Saylor podcast, and and that's just too</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1140" data-t="1140">alienating</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1141" data-t="1141">for you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1142" data-t="1142">It's too much for me to have it. So, like, what what are some of, like, the most important questions</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1148" data-t="1148">to ask on the first date, do you think? How do you feel about Tethr?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1153">19:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1153" data-t="1153">How how do you feel about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1156" data-t="1156">the the narrative that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1158" data-t="1158">compliance</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1159" data-t="1159">is defiance?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1161" data-t="1161">And that by complying, you you will actually, in some way, defy the system.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1168" data-t="1168">And I think the most important question is how do you feel about custodial?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1173">19:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1173" data-t="1173">Okay.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1174" data-t="1174">So so there there's some some themes around, you know, their</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1180" data-t="1180">their approval or disapproval of PodConf.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1184" data-t="1184">And you didn't say this directly in this answer, but I I wanted to add on to something</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1189" data-t="1189">that you had been talking about earlier. It's important to know</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1193" data-t="1193">she's the type of woman that would be committed enough for conjugal visits</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1199">19:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1199" data-t="1199">when you're potentially</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1201" data-t="1201">in prison.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1202" data-t="1202">So she's okay with the noncompliance.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1205" data-t="1205">Like, noncompliance,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1208" data-t="1208">you know, gets her excited</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1210" data-t="1210">enough to go to prison</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1213">20:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1213" data-t="1213">Yeah. I think so. To visit you in prison.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1215">20:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1215" data-t="1215">That that's really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1217" data-t="1217">one of one of the most important</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1219" data-t="1219">things.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1220">20:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1220" data-t="1220">There's nothing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1223" data-t="1223">to do.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1224" data-t="1224">So, like, when you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1226" data-t="1226">with the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1227" data-t="1227">relations in the in the normal world, it's like, can a a democrat and a republican</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1233" data-t="1233">to maybe married to that, like, relationship work? What about</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1237">20:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1237" data-t="1237">a person who runs, like, Bitcoin knots and supports filters</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1241" data-t="1241">versus somebody who,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1242" data-t="1242">you know, runs a horde and, like, they like hornals that maybe they're, like, taproot wizards.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1248" data-t="1248">Could that relationship work?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1250" data-t="1250">How would you which side of you which side of that are you on?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1254">20:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1254" data-t="1254">I I think opposites attract. I think that's an undeniable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1258" data-t="1258">aspect of of just animal attraction</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1262" data-t="1262">between people.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1263" data-t="1263">And, it it it really just comes down to, you know, are you willing to put in the effort to make it work? Like, are are you willing to commit to the kind of So so you're you when</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1275">21:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1275" data-t="1275">when I think of an opposite attracting type situation for you, I I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1279" data-t="1279">kinda envision</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1281" data-t="1281">a trad wife who doesn't like anime. I couldn't I couldn't deal with that.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1286">21:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1286" data-t="1286">That's the deal I'm not not liking anime.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1291">21:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1291" data-t="1291">So a trad wife that does like anime?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1294">21:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1294" data-t="1294">It depends on what you what you define trad wife as. Like, if she's got no argument in her, she will assert herself</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1303" data-t="1303">for, you know, kinda</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1304" data-t="1304">find find reasons to cause trouble,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1308" data-t="1308">then and argue with me about things,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1311" data-t="1311">then, no. I I I don't think that'll work. I I need Need a little noncompliance. Feel stimulated.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1317" data-t="1317">I I need you to feel stimulated.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1319">21:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1319" data-t="1319">You need somebody to, like, argue if you like it's spaces.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1323">22:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1323" data-t="1323">Exactly. Like a female territory anchor. God. Why do you have to be able to Like</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1328">22:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1328" data-t="1328">but you I think so</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1331" data-t="1331">would you say that potentially the opposite would be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1336" data-t="1336">a very intelligent woman</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1340" data-t="1340">who is in the ossification</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1342">22:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1342" data-t="1342">camp? Now that that sounds very stimulating. What if she doesn't like radio? I mean I don't know.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1348">22:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1348" data-t="1348">I don't know. Are That is Are are there even women that that believe in ossification? Because I don't think I've met a single one. I think all of them support CTV. I I I I would met her if she exists. Wait. Where where where you sit on where you sit on covenants? Why do you think</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1364">22:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1364" data-t="1364">that we need another trade off? You're already talking about custodial lightning and, like, all these trade offs. It's like, why do you think we need another trade off?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1372">22:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1372" data-t="1372">Well, I mean, I I feel like you just have to look back through the historical record. I mean, if you if you really look at, like, any successful</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1382" data-t="1382">society or ideology,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1384" data-t="1384">it it always comes down to a covenant. You know, like, the the Jews,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1389" data-t="1389">they they made their covenant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1391" data-t="1391">with,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1393" data-t="1393">Yahweh,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1394">23:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1394" data-t="1394">you know, and it it it's it's shepherded them through the history of human civilization to this day.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1400" data-t="1400">You know, the Christians, they they made their covenant with Jesus,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1404" data-t="1404">you know, the the Muslims with Mohammed. You know, it it just seems like every dominant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1410" data-t="1410">group of people and ideology, it just it starts with a sacred</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1415" data-t="1415">covenant with a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1416" data-t="1416">higher power</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1418">23:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1418" data-t="1418">to to to bring</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1420" data-t="1420">the future they want to see into fruition.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1423" data-t="1423">And I think Bitcoiners,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1425" data-t="1425">they they need</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1427" data-t="1427">they need that equivalent.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1429" data-t="1429">Like, we need our covenant</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1431">23:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1431" data-t="1431">if we really want this to succeed. Who who are we making your covenant with?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1435">23:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1435" data-t="1435">Reuben? It's Satoshi. Peter Todd. What about those who think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1440" data-t="1440">whomping in up to that is making a deal with the devil,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1446" data-t="1446">getting the ordinal supporters to help</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1449" data-t="1449">activate.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1450">24:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1450" data-t="1450">That's a deal with the devil. Well, I mean, I think any covenant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1453" data-t="1453">not explicitly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1455" data-t="1455">approved by Satoshi,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1457" data-t="1457">Peter Todd is just a nonstarter.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1460" data-t="1460">But if if our if our how higher power does not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1464" data-t="1464">put his seal of approval on our covenant, then it is not anything that will do any good for us. Did he did he say when</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1473">24:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1473" data-t="1473">he would</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1475" data-t="1475">say yes or no that he supports it?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1478" data-t="1478">No. So we will wait.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1480">24:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1480" data-t="1480">An indeterminate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1482" data-t="1482">time in the desert.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1484">24:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1484" data-t="1484">So so you have a you have a lot of opinions on Bitcoin development.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1488">24:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1488" data-t="1488">Yeah.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1489">24:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1489" data-t="1489">You you talk about it a lot in in Twitter spaces.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1492" data-t="1492">Yeah. I I do. You write about it. Mhmm. So I wanna understand,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1496" data-t="1496">you know, from your perspective,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1499" data-t="1499">is there a stringent</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1500" data-t="1500">enough scrutiny of Bitcoin developers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1503" data-t="1503">proposing</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1505">25:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1505" data-t="1505">protocol upgrades determining whether they're shitcoiners or not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1509" data-t="1509">and preventing shitcoiners</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1511" data-t="1511">from trying to meddle with the Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1513" data-t="1513">protocol?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1515">25:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1515" data-t="1515">Absolutely not. Satoshi</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1517" data-t="1517">is is very aloof and disengaged</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1521" data-t="1521">with the, covenant proposal space,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1524" data-t="1524">you know, in today. And I really think that's one of the biggest problems. It's, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1529" data-t="1529">having Satoshi just not pay attention to the the covenants</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1533" data-t="1533">that we are offering up to him.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1536">25:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1536" data-t="1536">You know, I think it's really holding the process fast. So I wanna know,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1540">25:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1540" data-t="1540">you know, what what do you think would be a stringent enough</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1544" data-t="1544">purity test to prevent to determine whether somebody's a shitcoiner and prevent them from trying to push any protocol upgrades. I mean, I think it's just as simple as whether Satoshi calls them a shitcoiner. So this is,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1558">25:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1558" data-t="1558">he's got a lot of judgments to make, and he is off doing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1562" data-t="1562">willy nilly way and stuff, trying to be a a a Hollywood,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1568" data-t="1568">documentary star, and he's not he's not paying attention</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1572" data-t="1572">to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1574" data-t="1574">core development.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1576">26:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1576" data-t="1576">Exactly. You know, he he's just kind of ignoring us. You know, I I I really think this is kind of, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1583" data-t="1583">our trial by fire period.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1586" data-t="1586">It's like while we are trying to to figure out what to do,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1590" data-t="1590">where we're asking him,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1592" data-t="1592">like, what do you want us to do? And he's just ignoring us and leading us to our own devices. It's like a it's like a test of our faith</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1601">26:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1601" data-t="1601">in him. It's almost like it's like Covenant's people are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1605" data-t="1605">they're hoping that if they can get this software activated, that Satoshi will finally be proud of them. Exactly. Like, it it at the end of the day, it's all just seeking the approval of Satoshi. That's all any of us will will work. Which would mean that, ultimately, Blockstream would do something</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1622" data-t="1622">to build a product for,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1625" data-t="1625">for covenants.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1626">27:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1626" data-t="1626">Of course.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1628" data-t="1628">I mean, once they have Satoshi's blessing, what what else would they do? It's a good point.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1633">27:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1633" data-t="1633">I was I was wondering.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1635" data-t="1635">I was thinking about this, if you're right or, like, if if there's a contingent of people like you who end up going to jail,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1643" data-t="1643">if you're ready to go to jail, if things get too bullish, you each want to go to jail. So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1651" data-t="1651">like the form, like, so like if you go to the hospital, you get a do not resuscitate form, like, should there be a form that you have, like, on your holster or something that says, do not make a free shinobi hashtag if I go to jail, I wanna be there.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1664">27:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1664" data-t="1664">Don't try to get me out. Don't try to get me pardoned. I I think if we can build up a proper web of trust,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1671" data-t="1671">infrastructure and ecosystem, yeah,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1674" data-t="1674">I think that would be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1676" data-t="1676">a a very useful thing, especially</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1678" data-t="1678">if if if I go to jail</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1680" data-t="1680">to to sacrifice my freedom for Satoshi,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1685">28:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1685" data-t="1685">like, that that's just an insult</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1687" data-t="1687">to Satoshi to to try to free me, to try to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1691" data-t="1691">belittle and demean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1693" data-t="1693">like, my personal sacrifice in his name. But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1697" data-t="1697">if I choose to go to jail, that's for Satoshi.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1701" data-t="1701">Like, you you have no right to take that away from me.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1704">28:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1704" data-t="1704">Once you're in jail,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1706" data-t="1706">what would be, like, the hardware wallet or the mobile app that you would use to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1712" data-t="1712">you know, spend sats to buy, like, cigarettes and, like, whiskey and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1716" data-t="1716">anime and stuff like that for in your cell?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1720">28:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1720" data-t="1720">I mean, there's no answer besides the OpenDime.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1723" data-t="1723">Like, it it it was literally designed to be the Prism Wallet.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1728" data-t="1728">Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1729" data-t="1729">Rudolpho literally</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1733" data-t="1733">to to the v one point whatever</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1736" data-t="1736">to to round the edges</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1738">28:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1738" data-t="1738">so that it it could be more comfortably</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1740" data-t="1740">stored</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1741">29:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1741" data-t="1741">in in in an environment like prison. Round the yeah. Around the edges. So, like, you don't wanna be shanked with an open dime. That would be a pretty shitty way to go. Bitcoin's supposed to fix this, not,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1751" data-t="1751">wreck your liver.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1753">29:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1753" data-t="1753">Exactly.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1754">29:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1754" data-t="1754">It would it would suck so much to get</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1757" data-t="1757">shanked by an open dime</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1759" data-t="1759">that had ordinals on it.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1762">29:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1762" data-t="1762">I mean, dude, it's it's, it's a brutal market out there, and he's the only person that really had the the long term foresight to to consider this particular market.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1772">29:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1772" data-t="1772">How how easy is it? How comfortable is it to fit an open dime up your ass if you need to smuggle one out or in during a college school visit? In the the test runs that I've done, it's it's,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1784">29:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1784" data-t="1784">it's not a big deal. It's not a it's not a walk in the park, but,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1789">29:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1789" data-t="1789">Imagine being a imagine being a doctor, and you you tell the story. You're like, man, I pulled I pulled 10 Bitcoin out of some guy's ass today.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1798">29:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1798" data-t="1798">Well,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1800">30:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1800" data-t="1800">yeah, I I I don't know what to say except,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1803" data-t="1803">whoever's asking pulled out of didn't</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1806">30:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1806" data-t="1806">have a good opsite. Like, imagine if you had to go into court.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1812" data-t="1812">You know, if you're being charged with noncompliant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1815" data-t="1815">transactions,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1818" data-t="1818">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1820" data-t="1820">they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1822" data-t="1822">they try to accuse you of having Bitcoin that you</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1827">30:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1827" data-t="1827">may have lost.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1829" data-t="1829">And you say to the judge that you lost the Bitcoin</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1833">30:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1833" data-t="1833">in an open dime accident, and you explain what that means. How do you think the court would respond to that? I'm not really sure. I think it I think it really comes down to, like, how well surveilled is the toilet that that that incident. I mean, I would find it pretty hard to believe that I just lost it, and it kinda flushed down the toilet.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1856" data-t="1856">Like, that that seem that seems like something anyone would say to get out of the capital again. I would say I would say that I kept it up my ass for safekeeping,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1865">31:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1865" data-t="1865">and, my wife</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1867" data-t="1867">suck her finger up there and pull it out and left me. She stole it. It's a lot more believable than a vanilla toilet axle. That's it. You know?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1875">31:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1875" data-t="1875">I feel like it was kind of a bad spot to put your wife in, to incriminate her in some noncompliant open dining action. You know what I mean? That's true. That's true.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1885">31:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1885" data-t="1885">Unless she really didn't like your wife. Right. How committed how committed to the relationship is she? I mean, I I feel like this kinda just circles</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1892" data-t="1892">to, like, the level</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1894" data-t="1894">of the middle. So are are you willing to to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1898" data-t="1898">keep making that conjugal visit?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1901" data-t="1901">Like, are are you willing to take that kind of little burden for me</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1905" data-t="1905">while I make my sacrifice? That's fair.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1909">31:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1909" data-t="1909">What about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1910" data-t="1910">what about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1912" data-t="1912">your obligation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1914" data-t="1914">to to pay your taxes? Like, you're putting that out and you're putting that burden on your wife while you're in jail.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1920" data-t="1920">It</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1922" data-t="1922">a 48 tax is is is Abby Luke. I mean, if you plan that properly,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1927">32:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1927" data-t="1927">you structure things correctly. I I I feel like you you can leave here with enough to cover those tax off.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1933" data-t="1933">It's all it's all just about getting you the money where you need it in prison.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1939">32:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1939" data-t="1939">It's it's just a logistical problem. So I wanna know more about your meditation practices, Shinobi. So you you meditate every morning on</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1948" data-t="1948">quote how retarded Bitcoiners are.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1952" data-t="1952">Can you explain this, practice and, where you picked it up?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1957">32:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1957" data-t="1957">Well, I see it all started when Michael Sailor,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1961" data-t="1961">came into this space.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1965" data-t="1965">And it's just it's a it's a real tough thing to internalize in the process</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1970" data-t="1970">that so many people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1972" data-t="1972">treat him</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1973" data-t="1973">like an actual Bitcoiner</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1976">32:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1976" data-t="1976">when he is so clearly,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1979" data-t="1979">like, the reject</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1980" data-t="1980">from,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1982" data-t="1982">like, the early In Q Tel</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1985" data-t="1985">investment phase</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1987" data-t="1987">in Silicon Valley.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1990">33:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1990" data-t="1990">Like, he he he was the CIA's investment</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1993" data-t="1993">that just failed.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1994" data-t="1994">That just couldn't succeed no matter how hard he tried.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1999" data-t="1999">Like, life just shat on him from every direction.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2004" data-t="2004">Like, he couldn't get the company off the ground.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2008" data-t="2008">He had to engage in</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2010">33:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2010" data-t="2010">very shady illegal</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2012" data-t="2012">accounting practices</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2013" data-t="2013">to balance the books properly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2016" data-t="2016">Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2017" data-t="2017">every every, like, he like, tax avoidance</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2021" data-t="2021">by lying about his residence just so that he could afford his rent and property taxes.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2026">33:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2026" data-t="2026">But, you know, he's I have to cut you off. I have to cut you off. I have to cut you off. No. No. No. No. I I I need I need I need I need to finish, Richard, because it it's just about, like, how,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2038" data-t="2038">like, how retarded people are.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2041" data-t="2041">They couldn't recognize</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2043" data-t="2043">what a failure</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2045" data-t="2045">and a reject he was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2047" data-t="2047">in that whole crowd and scene.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2051">34:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2051" data-t="2051">And just to build him up</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2054" data-t="2054">as,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2055" data-t="2055">like, this godlike figure</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2058" data-t="2058">pulling this brilliant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2060" data-t="2060">Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2061" data-t="2061">reserve strategy.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2063">34:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2063" data-t="2063">And I just feel like I have to reflect on that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2067" data-t="2067">every day.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2069" data-t="2069">That like such an incompetent</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2071" data-t="2071">retard</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2073" data-t="2073">could wind up</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2074" data-t="2074">in a position where despite his incompetence and stupidity,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2080">34:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2080" data-t="2080">he could</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2081" data-t="2081">find himself in a position in life where so many people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2085" data-t="2085">are just, like, feeding him,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2088" data-t="2088">like, good energy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2090" data-t="2090">and Don't you understand?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2091" data-t="2091">Confidence.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2092">34:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2092" data-t="2092">And it's, like, it's it's almost like the the stupidity</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2097" data-t="2097">itself</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2099" data-t="2099">is what is giving him self confidence in life. The stupidity</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2103" data-t="2103">of other people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2105" data-t="2105">is just, like, reenergizing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2107" data-t="2107">his batteries where he would otherwise be demoralized</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2111">35:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2111" data-t="2111">and deflated.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2112" data-t="2112">And I just have to meditate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2114" data-t="2114">every morning</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2116" data-t="2116">on the the inherent</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2117" data-t="2117">contradiction,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2119" data-t="2119">paradox of that.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2120">35:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2120" data-t="2120">And just contemplate it before I start. I disagree. I think it's I think it is an inspiring story because if everything that you said is true,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2129" data-t="2129">that the must incompetent are retarded.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2133" data-t="2133">It's like this story of transformation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2135" data-t="2135">and they become</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2136" data-t="2136">the wealthy successful adored.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2140" data-t="2140">They they're going to the orange wedding. They're they're on TV. It's everybody has to acknowledge how smart they are because how much money they made, because they bought Bitcoin.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2149">35:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2149" data-t="2149">And I think that's that's that's everybody's story. You can you can Rod, this is exactly why I have to meditate on</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2157" data-t="2157">it every morning to just to just embrace and try to understand</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2162" data-t="2162">this paradox</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2164">36:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2164" data-t="2164">in the universe. Well, I mean, it seems like he has kinda figured out this brilliant strategy which is to get richer</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2172" data-t="2172">off of people's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2174" data-t="2174">what you would describe as stupidity.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2178" data-t="2178">All the things that you were describing about him kinda made him sound like a Bitcoiner to me. You know? General noncompliance,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2187" data-t="2187">sketchy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2188" data-t="2188">accounting</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2190">36:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2190" data-t="2190">practices. I mean, that that seemed like kinda like, I I feel like a a good portion of our listeners would would consider that an endorsement. Like Way way too reliant on custodial</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2200">36:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2200" data-t="2200">solutions.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2201">36:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2201" data-t="2201">So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2202" data-t="2202">yeah. I mean, all all that's interesting. Now you I mean, do you do you think it it it it goes to show that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2209" data-t="2209">like, really all you have to do is listen to forty hours of Bitcoin podcast a week to get extraordinarily rich. I mean, I won't say it'll hurt your chances.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2220" data-t="2220">So one thing that I thought was kind of interesting. So I know there's been some rivalry between Bitcoin Magazine and Dennis Porter this week, but the, the conference Twitter account was tweeting about Dennis.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2232" data-t="2232">So it kinda sounds like he's gonna be able to speak at the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2236" data-t="2236">conference this year. Has that been confirmed? I have no comment.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2240">37:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2240" data-t="2240">I mean, it's been one of the things I think it's been one of the biggest</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2245" data-t="2245">shames</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2246" data-t="2246">for the entire</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2247" data-t="2247">industry is the fact that he hasn't had a conference speaking slot. I've</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2251" data-t="2251">I've I've ran petitions to get him</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2254" data-t="2254">a spot</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2255">37:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2255" data-t="2255">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2258" data-t="2258">with no success.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2260">37:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2260" data-t="2260">Well, I I have nothing to say on the matter except the fact that he,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2265" data-t="2265">tried to sneak past,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2268" data-t="2268">Secret Service Security</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2269" data-t="2269">last year in Nashville.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2272" data-t="2272">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2275" data-t="2275">you know,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2276">37:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2276" data-t="2276">there there is going to be a member of the Trump family at the next conference.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2280" data-t="2280">So I I I do believe he'll he'll be blacklisted because of his his past and and for our noncompliant behavior</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2289" data-t="2289">at the last conference.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2290">38:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2290" data-t="2290">Interesting. I mean, if anything, that just shows the determination</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2294" data-t="2294">he has and and why he's probably been so successful</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2297" data-t="2297">at at at pumping NGE so much</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2301" data-t="2301">as if he's willing to to sneak past.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2303" data-t="2303">Because, like, I imagine what he was doing inside the conference the whole time is he was just orange pilling everybody in sight. Like, he knew there was politicians there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2312" data-t="2312">He's like a bloodhound</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2315">38:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2315" data-t="2315">for potential,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2318" data-t="2318">politicians to Orangeville.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2319">38:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2319" data-t="2319">Yeah. But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2321" data-t="2321">his success rate last year was not very good. Well,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2325">38:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2325" data-t="2325">last year was last year. We're talking about this year. Talking about the future.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2329" data-t="2329">Yeah. He has personally</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2332" data-t="2332">he tweeted about this.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2334" data-t="2334">He has personally orange pilled 11 states to add Bitcoin to their reserve. Yeah. Will they know have those bills passed?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2342">39:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2342" data-t="2342">Have they actually been notarized in the state legislator?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2346">39:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2346" data-t="2346">He hasn't, he</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2347" data-t="2347">he he hasn't,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2348" data-t="2348">said that they've been passed. He just said that they've been proposed.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2352" data-t="2352">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2353" data-t="2353">you know, like I said, it's why it's one step at a time.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2358" data-t="2358">And but, you know, speaking to some of these politicians,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2362">39:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2362" data-t="2362">there's been some rumbling in the group chats.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2365" data-t="2365">It's been kind of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2367" data-t="2367">like, the floodgates have been opened since</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2370" data-t="2370">we talked about when all of them is hot, then it became you as hot. The plugs are all starting to say that Cynthia Alumnus is hot,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2376" data-t="2376">and I'm wondering if you have a reaction to that. I don't like older men</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2381">39:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2381" data-t="2381">having to deal with the realities</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2383" data-t="2383">of being in single.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2388">39:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2388" data-t="2388">That's true. A lot of the the plugs in the group chat are are generation x, like, middle aged guys. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2394" data-t="2394">and you put it in that context. Meaning take what you can get. That's right. That's what you have to do in Wyoming. You take what you can get.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2401" data-t="2401">But, yeah, strategic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2403" data-t="2403">Bitcoin reserve</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2405" data-t="2405">might be what it takes to get Wyoming in the headlines,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2409" data-t="2409">in the, you know, in the media more often. So, you know, it might be worth it to, you know, Wyoming make it buy, like, 2 or 3 Bitcoin. That's a good enough strategic reserve for a state with 17 people. You know? It's like it's it's a pretty low ask. And somebody Maybe Randall can do it. Wyoming can buy it. You know? Like, I wonder if because the population of Wyoming is so small</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2430">40:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2430" data-t="2430">that it'd actually be bad for NGU</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2432" data-t="2432">having them</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2433" data-t="2433">do a strategic Bitcoin</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2435">40:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2435" data-t="2435">reserve. It'd be like it'd be like it'd be like it'd probably be bigger than El Salvador's.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2440">40:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2440" data-t="2440">Like, I I think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2442" data-t="2442">you know, Bitcoin news people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2445" data-t="2445">have to be careful this cycle</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2447" data-t="2447">because they can overshadow</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2449" data-t="2449">bigger announcements with lesser announcements, and I feel like Wyoming's a lesser announcement. It's a it's a DDOS. I feel like that could be a a premature ejaculation</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2460">40:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2460" data-t="2460">event. Like, if imagine</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2462" data-t="2462">if everybody,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2463" data-t="2463">like, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2465" data-t="2465">kinda drummed that up in the media. You know?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2469" data-t="2469">Cynthia Loomis finally found love.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2472" data-t="2472">You know, where is this gonna go? The the state bought, you know, 2 or 3 Bitcoin.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2478">41:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2478" data-t="2478">And then all of a sudden, Florida comes out of nowhere and buys 10.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2483" data-t="2483">Like, that that'll just get drowned out in the media. Right. Exactly. It's like it it's</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2489">41:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2489" data-t="2489">maybe it's a burden</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2491" data-t="2491">at Wyoming as a hot senator because it's gonna cause everybody to to to prematurely ejaculate and miss the big story. Thank you. Yeah. I totally understand. You know?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2502" data-t="2502">Well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2504" data-t="2504">Equine is still holding</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2506" data-t="2506">pretty close here, y o 202,600</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2511" data-t="2511">USDT.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2512">41:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2512" data-t="2512">It did drop</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2513" data-t="2513">it it was like a mini crash down to, like, $1.00 $1,500</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2516" data-t="2516">earlier, but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2518" data-t="2518">this thing seems to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2520" data-t="2520">I thought they were gonna, like, liquidate a bunch of shorts. I thought we're gonna go, like, straight to one ten. The broil said we were gonna be at a 150</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2527" data-t="2527">by Friday.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2529">42:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2529" data-t="2529">Dude, I think we might wake up at 01:10 or 01:20 tomorrow.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2534">42:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2534" data-t="2534">Well, yeah, you, because you're gonna wake up at noon tomorrow, but for the rest of us, I feel like I have to go to work. I don't think anybody's sleeping tonight.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2541" data-t="2541">That's why I don't think we should have here to work tomorrow. Dude, Yellow yeah. This is Yellow's retirement moment.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2546">42:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2546" data-t="2546">He's never gonna have to do a prerecorded Twitter Spaces ever again. I didn't even think about that.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2552">42:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2552" data-t="2552">I I have to congratulate y'all.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2555">42:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2555" data-t="2555">Yo. I am glad that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2557" data-t="2557">people can start ready to move on. See. Ready to move on in ways, whereas Dude, unlike Dennis,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2563">42:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2563" data-t="2563">who neglected his mother, neglected our ancestors,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2567" data-t="2567">our ancestral homeland,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2569" data-t="2569">Yellow's earned a thank you for me.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2572">42:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2572" data-t="2572">You know, in fact, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna give that thank you right now. He's been committed. That's that's for sure. Now the question is is what is he gonna do next? Is he gonna</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2582" data-t="2582">do another</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2583" data-t="2583">variation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2584" data-t="2584">of what he's already done? Maybe maybe he likes doing these faces. Well, then he's a psychopath.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2589" data-t="2589">Well, Greek he is Greek. Yeah. I don't know. Are are there psychopaths is it a genetic thing?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2595" data-t="2595">Genetic predispositions?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2596">43:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2596" data-t="2596">Does him being Greek increase the odds of being a psychopath, or</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2601" data-t="2601">is it more of a developmental</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2603" data-t="2603">thing?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2604">43:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2604" data-t="2604">I I think I think it's a little bit of both, but I I I don't think the genetic component is really ethnic like that. I I I just think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2613" data-t="2613">you know, there there's this psychopath lineage everywhere, and you you you're gonna find him. Interesting. Yeah. He is free.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2621" data-t="2621">It's gonna be a weird day tomorrow without bad spaces.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2625">43:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2625" data-t="2625">Well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2626" data-t="2626">yeah. I I wanna know, like, we kinda discussed it earlier,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2631" data-t="2631">but I cannot hear it again. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2634" data-t="2634">what's the top of the cycle, Shinobi?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2638" data-t="2638">You're you're in the midst of PodConf. You you probably hear bold price predictions all the time.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2644" data-t="2644">You you you hear all day about how compliance is gonna lead us to very big numbers.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2650">44:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2650" data-t="2650">Yeah. What is it?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2651" data-t="2651">Instead of instead of your prediction, what is the what's the prediction</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2655" data-t="2655">that you're hearing? Like, what are the what's the average of the, top that you're hearing from your colleagues?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2661">44:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2661" data-t="2661">High top people are insane. They're talking about $23,000,000,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2667" data-t="2667">on the conservative end</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2669" data-t="2669">and a a real bull case being 10,000,000.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2673" data-t="2673">They they they're out of their mind. Like, they they've lost all perspective.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2677">44:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2677" data-t="2677">Yeah. I mean, that sounds incredibly bearish to me. Dude, if if if we have daddy Trump</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2683">44:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2683" data-t="2683">bring us the Bitcoin dollar,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2686" data-t="2686">we're going to a 100,000,000.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2687">44:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2687" data-t="2687">Oh, man.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2688">44:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2688" data-t="2688">That's it? I don't know. Am I the most bullish</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2691" data-t="2691">person in Bitcoin? I've been I've been predicting 2,000,000,000,000</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2695" data-t="2695">USDT</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2696" data-t="2696">for quite some time now. All these all these numbers that you're talking about are so small and inconsequential.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2703">45:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2703" data-t="2703">The rounding errors, it's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2706" data-t="2706">it's gonna be wild, that's for sure.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2709" data-t="2709">We're going into bull market gable mode in the next few weeks. It's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2715" data-t="2715">are you gonna when are you gonna finally cheer up? I know you get depressed. You seem depressed during bull markets. So</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2721">45:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2721" data-t="2721">I mean, the the truth, Rod, is nobody but Dennis Porter knows.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2725" data-t="2725">No one else but Dennis Porter knows where we're going. He's We'll announce it, though.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2730">45:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2730" data-t="2730">Yeah. Is it is your bull market depression</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2734" data-t="2734">is it like a sacrifice? Like, you're sacrificing yourself for the larger Bitcoin community. So today, you did a Twitter spaces about how Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2743" data-t="2743">didn't hit a 100 k.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2745" data-t="2745">And I assume that you're probably talking about how it won't.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2748" data-t="2748">Was that just you sacrificing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2751" data-t="2751">yourself in order to Just like, yeah. Bitcoin to get to this moment?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2755">45:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2755" data-t="2755">Dying for everybody else's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2758" data-t="2758">for everybody else's sake like Jesus.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2760">46:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2760" data-t="2760">If I if I if I'm gonna be honest with you, Rod and Richard, that that was my offering of a covenant.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2768" data-t="2768">That that that that was my</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2770" data-t="2770">covenant offered up to Santoshi,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2774" data-t="2774">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2775" data-t="2775">he accepted it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2777" data-t="2777">And I don't think I'm quite</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2779">46:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2779" data-t="2779">in a place where I'll I'll discuss publicly the the conditions and terms of that covenant that I offered up.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2787" data-t="2787">But, I'll just say it was a very costly one. It it won't come cheaply to me. Well, thank you for your sacrifice.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2795">46:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2795" data-t="2795">I hope you didn't give up the anime.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2798">46:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2798" data-t="2798">Never. I hope you didn't give up Twitter spaces. Satoshi.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2802">46:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2802" data-t="2802">So, like, if we guess at it,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2804" data-t="2804">will you say, like, warmer, colder, yes, no?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2808">46:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2808" data-t="2808">I won't Will you tell us if we guess at it? Sorry, but the the conditions of my covenant with Satoshi weird privacy.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2816">46:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2816" data-t="2816">That that was one of the core components. If he if he if he tells us, then it'll drop below a 100.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2823">47:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2823" data-t="2823">We don't wanna risk that. We don't wanna risk that whatsoever.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2828" data-t="2828">Alright. Well, I I'm kinda curious.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2830" data-t="2830">Do do you have any interesting predictions for this bull market of things that we're gonna see? I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2836" data-t="2836">we we've already seen some pretty dramatic things before Bitcoin has hit a 100 k. We've seen,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2843" data-t="2843">Robert Breed loves Alpha</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2847" data-t="2847">Course. We've seen,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2849">47:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2849" data-t="2849">all sorts of strange stuff. Like, Don Sully got,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2855" data-t="2855">two girlfriends.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2858">47:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2858" data-t="2858">That's gonna be</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2860">47:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2860" data-t="2860">Vladimir Putin's tweeting about being in the ossification camp. No. No. He's, he's tweeting about</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2865">47:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2865" data-t="2865">a warning to him. I'll just say this.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2869" data-t="2869">A particular</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2870" data-t="2870">Bitcoin whale that people erroneously</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2873" data-t="2873">give credit</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2875" data-t="2875">to for things that have nothing to do with might</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2879" data-t="2879">might possibly grow brave enough to</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2883">48:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2883" data-t="2883">be open about some of their more flamboyant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2886" data-t="2886">behaviors.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2887">48:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2887" data-t="2887">Interesting. Did these did these things take place on yachts? I mean, from what I've heard, maybe. The you think they will be</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2895">48:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2895" data-t="2895">voluntarily</span> <span class="cue" data-t="2895">open or it will be</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2898">48:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2898" data-t="2898">exposed in some way. I'm not the type of person to judge bravery</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2902" data-t="2902">as far as whether it was self inspired</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2905">48:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2905" data-t="2905">or externally expired. That that's got me thinking, but I'll I'll have to circle back to that one another time. I don't know if I had more time to think about it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2914" data-t="2914">Now I'm now I'm definitely</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2916" data-t="2916">it makes sense. It's just</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2919">48:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2919" data-t="2919">at</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2920" data-t="2920">at a lower valuation, like, some Bitcoiners just don't feel financially confident enough to to be themselves, and I I think that might change to a cycle,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2930">48:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2930" data-t="2930">I hope. More people will be admitting that Lyn Alden is hot, for sure.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2935" data-t="2935">Yeah.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2936">48:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2936" data-t="2936">What what does the price have to get to where</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2939" data-t="2939">individuals that have felt less confident and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2943" data-t="2943">maybe airing some of their their more personal</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2946" data-t="2946">details</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2947" data-t="2947">might be more confident.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2949" data-t="2949">What does the price have to hit?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2952">49:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2952" data-t="2952">I think that's very specific to the individual. I don't think that's something that you can kind of quantify</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2959" data-t="2959">objectively</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2961" data-t="2961">from from a third party perspective. Everyone finds their,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2965">49:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2965" data-t="2965">their true self at the price they deserve.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2968">49:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2968" data-t="2968">Everyone has their own price. Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2971" data-t="2971">Well</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2972" data-t="2972">yeah. I mean, what about other predictions? Like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2976" data-t="2976">I don't know. I mean, there's there's been a lot of things on the that have happened this past year. Like, we're almost to the end of the year in 2024.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2987" data-t="2987">I mean, I've been absolutely shocked</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2991" data-t="2991">at all the</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2992">49:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2992" data-t="2992">the revelations. Like, you know, Mark Mark Goodwin put out a thousand word article.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2998" data-t="2998">I I never predicted that would happen</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3001">50:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3001" data-t="3001">this year.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3002" data-t="3002">No. I thought it'd be much longer. So that that was</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3006">50:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3006" data-t="3006">prolific. I can't even imagine</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3008" data-t="3008">the the effort and the research and the time</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3012">50:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3012" data-t="3012">that that thousand word piece took. Yeah. I'm trying to think like, I'm I'm I'm scrolling through,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3018" data-t="3018">news articles</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3020" data-t="3020">from this year as kinda like a recap. I mean, there's been so much,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3024" data-t="3024">so much, chaos. I mean, Greg Foss</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3028" data-t="3028">partnering with Wake Gibbs</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3030" data-t="3030">to launch the WeWork for Bitcoin mining.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3035">50:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3035" data-t="3035">There were exploding hardware wallets or concerns of that. I mean, that was that was pretty crazy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3041" data-t="3041">I was very afraid that would</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3044" data-t="3044">completely turn</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3046" data-t="3046">the podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3047" data-t="3047">ecosystem</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3048" data-t="3048">upside down because as we know, the the entire podcast ecosystem is sponsored by hardware wallets.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3054">50:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3054" data-t="3054">Well, I think portion of the economy.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3057">50:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3057" data-t="3057">I think this is the perfect example of why we should be very concerned about nation states involvement</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3063" data-t="3063">in this ecosystem.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3065" data-t="3065">I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3066" data-t="3066">they're they're positioned to just completely take over</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3071" data-t="3071">the the entire podcasting industry</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3073">51:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3073" data-t="3073">if if they wanted to exercise that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is a serious thing, you know, that we've been reporting on. So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3082" data-t="3082">do you think the Trump administration is gonna try and regulate podcast in any way? And if so, what do you think that,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3089">51:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3089" data-t="3089">those types of regulations look like? I think if governments choose to go that direction, it's going to be very dark,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3096" data-t="3096">very dark indeed.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3097" data-t="3097">I don't think they'll let Bitcoiners be themselves.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3101" data-t="3101">I think they'll</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3104" data-t="3104">they'll be very controlling about their hardware wallet recommendations.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3110" data-t="3110">I just I I think I feel like it'll stifle</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3115">51:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3115" data-t="3115">all of the innovation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3117" data-t="3117">that is possible</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3118" data-t="3118">in the market of compliance,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3121" data-t="3121">and they will just mandate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3125" data-t="3125">their handful of preferred solutions</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3128" data-t="3128">and just kind of</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3129">52:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3129" data-t="3129">steal from people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3131" data-t="3131">the the ability to really choose from the most refined</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3136" data-t="3136">the the most optimal</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3138" data-t="3138">method of compliance</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3140" data-t="3140">that could be produced</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3142" data-t="3142">through free market competition.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3144">52:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3144" data-t="3144">Interesting. I mean, they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3146" data-t="3146">my my only counter to that, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3149" data-t="3149">and I'm not asking</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3151" data-t="3151">for my opinion.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3153" data-t="3153">I think people are gonna remain noncompliant.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3156" data-t="3156">I think a lot of people are gonna have issues paying taxes.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3162">52:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3162" data-t="3162">I was gonna ask you I don't think we have time to. We're gonna have to wrap up the show here pretty soon. But I was gonna ask you about, what your thoughts on</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3171" data-t="3171">Joe Biden pardoning Hunter Biden for being unable to afford his taxes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3176" data-t="3176">But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3178" data-t="3178">the question I think a lot of listeners might be thinking right now is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3184" data-t="3184">isn't NGU</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3186">53:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3186" data-t="3186">the innovation? I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3188" data-t="3188">Is NGU invented or discovered? I mean, I think NGU was invented. It was invented by the podcasters.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3195" data-t="3195">It was invented by the lobbyists. It was invented by the Dennis Shorters</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3201" data-t="3201">who first conceived</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3202" data-t="3202">of this novel,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3204" data-t="3204">un existent idea of just bribing politicians</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3208">53:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3208" data-t="3208">to pump the price of Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3210" data-t="3210">I think it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3211" data-t="3211">was clearly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3213" data-t="3213">an invention</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3215" data-t="3215">of a brilliant thing that prior to that invention</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3219" data-t="3219">did not exist anywhere in the natural world.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3224">53:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Shinobi</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3224" data-t="3224">And, I I don't think there's any other way to conceptualize</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3228" data-t="3228">that. But,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3231">53:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3231" data-t="3231">yeah.</span></span></p>
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