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That's a hard pill to swallow.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-24">0:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-24" data-t="24">We need to redistribute all the Bitcoin from Michael Saylor to the pores</span> <span class="cue" id="t-28" data-t="28">with custodial lightning wallets.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-31">0:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-31" data-t="31">I'm interested in how</span> <span class="cue" id="t-33" data-t="33">liquid side chain could be used</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-35">0:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-35" data-t="35">to monetize drone striking</span> <span class="cue" id="t-38" data-t="38">children in Yemen. Bitcoin is interesting now because you can sell shit coins on it, and and that's pretty cool. I hated Bitcoin until Dennis Porter stuck his orange pill in. Orange pill me harder, Dennis.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-50">0:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-50" data-t="50">It will be easier to inject democracy into The Middle East like I did to Libya if we use Tether instead.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-57">0:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-57" data-t="57">The Bugle is easily the most important journalistic institution around today. They make up literally everything they write, and yet it is somehow all true.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-66">1:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-66" data-t="66">Now you all better let the Bugle do the thinking for you. Life is too damn hard to do all the thinking yourself.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-74">1:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-74" data-t="74">But we're recording.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-76" data-t="76">How are you doing, Rod?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-78">1:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-78" data-t="78">Pretty good. What's the what's the name of this podcast? We didn't even discuss that yet.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-84">1:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-84" data-t="84">Oh, that's a good question.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-88">1:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-88" data-t="88">Evil Weekly.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-92">1:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-92" data-t="92">Nicotine overdose podcast.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-94">1:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-94" data-t="94">There we go.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-96" data-t="96">We're recording with Zincaster.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-101" data-t="101">Brought to you by I don't know. The</span> <span class="cue" id="t-103" data-t="103">Zinc the Zinc Pouches.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-106" data-t="106">They don't sponsor us yet, but we would they would like to take care of your blood, tobacco money, of the cancer that you're causing in the world, which is probably a good thing.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-117">1:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-117" data-t="117">Zen? Zen's a shitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-119" data-t="119">Like, all the all the shitcoiners</span> <span class="cue" id="t-121" data-t="121">choose zines like Zach Vole</span> <span class="cue" id="t-124" data-t="124">choose Zims. Nick Carter uses them.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-127">2:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-127" data-t="127">It's, it's it's like the people that are trying to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-131" data-t="131">do, like, mushroom,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-132" data-t="132">psilocybin mushroom therapy that, like, remove all the potential for, like, a a nauseous stomach or, like, a a bad trip. All the all the parts of nicotine</span> <span class="cue" id="t-141" data-t="141">that make you a man for using it,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-144" data-t="144">the the risk of emphysema,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-147" data-t="147">root cancer, lung cancer, if that's all gone, what's what what's the point?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-154">2:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-154" data-t="154">Yeah. It it it's kinda like if you had Dennis Porter go through</span> <span class="cue" id="t-159" data-t="159">anatomy of the state</span> <span class="cue" id="t-161" data-t="161">and, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-163" data-t="163">blackout anything helpful or useful or interesting in it, and all you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-168" data-t="168">had to read was, like, five or six sentences about nothing?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-171">2:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-171" data-t="171">Yes. It's like a redacted version of tobacco.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-175">2:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-175" data-t="175">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-177" data-t="177">It's like you're still you're still reading Anatomy of the State,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-183" data-t="183">but you're not getting anything out of it. That that that's what Zinn is. Zinn is half measures for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-189" data-t="189">shitcoiners.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-190" data-t="190">I'm pretty sure I saw Corey Clipston</span> <span class="cue" id="t-192" data-t="192">dunking on Eric Voorhees because he he's a shit coiner, and he chooses as well. Like, if you're</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-199">3:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-199" data-t="199">if you wanna live life on the Bitcoin standard, you need to smoke Marlboro Reds.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-204">3:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-204" data-t="204">What do you feel what do you feel about menthols?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-207">3:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-207" data-t="207">I don't like menthols.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-210">3:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-210" data-t="210">Are menthols a shitcoin?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-213">3:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-213" data-t="213">I think I think it's borderline shitcoin. I I think, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-217" data-t="217">you know, it's you're you're living on a Bitcoin standard by smoking a cigarette, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-223" data-t="223">you're shit coining on a Bitcoin standard, if that makes sense. So it's kinda like ordinals.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-228">3:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-228" data-t="228">T Mobile Brush is kinda like custodial lightning.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-232" data-t="232">It's not really the same experience, but it feels the same.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-237">3:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-237" data-t="237">Custodial lightning,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-239" data-t="239">it's using stacks or showing stacks. So, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-244" data-t="244">you're kinda in the realm of Dan Held where you're, like, borderline shit, but not really.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-251">4:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-251" data-t="251">So stay away from that bullshit. If you guys wanna use tobacco, stay away from Jules, stay away from sin. Use Grizzly Wintergreen if you're a Dipper,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-259" data-t="259">Marlboro Reds if you're a smoker.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-263">4:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-263" data-t="263">He's Yeah. I mean, it's a tradition.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-267" data-t="267">Cigarettes are the, they're the carnivore diet of this cycle.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-271">4:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-271" data-t="271">That's just gonna be the lay of words. I think when the Marlboro man, the cowboy, when he released the Marlboro red white paper, he did</span> <span class="cue" id="t-279" data-t="279">did acknowledge Lucky Strike,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-281" data-t="281">as being, like, kind of the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-285" data-t="285">the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-287" data-t="287">the inspiration behind it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-289" data-t="289">But, the real OG, the guy that solved the problem was the Morbrough man. He's the guy that invented Marlboro's. Right?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-296">4:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-296" data-t="296">Yeah. I don't know the history.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-299">4:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-299" data-t="299">Kinda like it's a toasty of cigarette.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-302">5:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-302" data-t="302">Lucky Strikes are good cigarettes, though. I'll I'll give you a pass on those.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-307" data-t="307">It's kinda like</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-309">5:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-309" data-t="309">About American Spirits.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-312">5:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-312" data-t="312">Yeah. I mean, those are kit. Okay.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-316" data-t="316">It's just I don't love the branding around it. You know? Like, the the point of, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-321" data-t="321">you know, the Marlboro man is the guy that conquered the West and, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-327" data-t="327">American spirits resemble, like, freedom</span> <span class="cue" id="t-330" data-t="330">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-331" data-t="331">and not being conquered by the US military,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-334">5:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-334" data-t="334">which means</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-335">5:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-335" data-t="335">it represents a world without democracy, which is just, like, a horrible world to think about. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Something like that.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-343">5:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-343" data-t="343">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-344" data-t="344">So the the branding the branding's offensive. I mean, you know, the they should, like, change their name from, like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-351" data-t="351">or change the logo and and change the name to, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-355" data-t="355">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-357" data-t="357">American</span> <span class="cue" id="t-358" data-t="358">patriotism</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-359">5:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-359" data-t="359">or something like that instead of American spirit.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-362">6:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-362" data-t="362">Hope they're listening. I hope they take that to heart.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-365">6:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-365" data-t="365">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-366" data-t="366">I mean, this is this is what we do. You know, we're journalists. Everything's about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-371" data-t="371">optics and and public relations, so we can really help out of these big tobacco companies that are just, like, really shooting themselves in the foot.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-379" data-t="379">Absolutely. Like, they should tone</span> <span class="cue" id="t-381" data-t="381">they should totally just get on the grift to supporting Trump. They could be like Tim Pool,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-386" data-t="386">you know, where every you just go from, like,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-389">6:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-389" data-t="389">supposedly being neutral in politics to just being a overt simp.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-396">6:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-396" data-t="396">It's a good strategy. Okay. What what are we talking about today? What's the point of this this whole endeavor?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-404">6:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-404" data-t="404">Well,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-405">6:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-405" data-t="405">it it it's been weighing heavily on me that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-409" data-t="409">that it's very important for there to be another podcast.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-412">6:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-412" data-t="412">That's important. There's not enough of those.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-416">6:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-416" data-t="416">There's there's just not there's not enough podcast, and there's there's not enough podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-421" data-t="421">that are trying to take on</span> <span class="cue" id="t-424" data-t="424">the PodConf</span> <span class="cue" id="t-425" data-t="425">industrial complex.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-427">7:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-427" data-t="427">And and that's the real issue here.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-429" data-t="429">The</span> <span class="cue" id="t-430" data-t="430">the only way to destroy the state</span> <span class="cue" id="t-433" data-t="433">is by destroying the podcast industrial complex,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-436" data-t="436">the PodConf.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-439" data-t="439">The best way to do that is to start a new podcast.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-443">7:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-443" data-t="443">Podcast? Yeah. I mean, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-445" data-t="445">we're we're joining the the ranks of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-448" data-t="448">great subverters like Dave Smith,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-451" data-t="451">Guy Swan,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-453" data-t="453">Dennis Porter back when he used to do his podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-456" data-t="456">and,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-458">7:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-458" data-t="458">Michael Malice. You know, all the all these great subverters that are subverting the state actively every day by just,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-464" data-t="464">pushing an RSS feed out to all these platforms.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-467">7:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-467" data-t="467">And shout out to Alex Jones. He's the real OG of, RSS,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-471" data-t="471">podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-472" data-t="472">subversion method.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-476">7:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-476" data-t="476">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-477" data-t="477">I think I think the thing, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-479" data-t="479">we we don't have any sponsors yet.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-483" data-t="483">So, like, there's not gonna be any underwear commercials on this one. But I guess we could we just essentially gave a free, commercial to Big Tobacco. So I guess that was, like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-494" data-t="494">Yeah. And, like, that's a big part of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-497" data-t="497">it's your The foundation of a podcast</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-499">8:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-499" data-t="499">foundation of a podcast is just, like, totally,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-504" data-t="504">shooting any credibility that you have by, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-507" data-t="507">showing some sort of sponsor.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-509">8:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-509" data-t="509">Right. I mean, it's gonna</span> <span class="cue" id="t-511" data-t="511">be pretty difficult to subvert the state without,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-515" data-t="515">some prominent Bitcoin exchanges,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-517" data-t="517">compliant Bitcoin exchanges, KYC Bitcoin exchanges paying you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-521" data-t="521">to your content. So we</span> <span class="cue" id="t-524" data-t="524">we hope somebody's listening, and they would I like to help us subvert the state that way.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-530">8:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-530" data-t="530">Yeah. I mean, if only there was a way for, like, the listeners of this podcast to donate directly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-536" data-t="536">to us so that we didn't have to be reliant on</span> <span class="cue" id="t-540" data-t="540">sponsors and exchanges and compliant Bitcoin companies.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-544">9:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-544" data-t="544">Hopefully, hopefully, Liquid will make it possible to send MicroStrategy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-547" data-t="547">steers or BlackRock ETF shares directly to us, and that would be, like, a really good start.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-555">9:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-555" data-t="555">Yeah. I mean, Liquid Liquid has a lot of potential to do a lot of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-559" data-t="559">like, uninspiring</span> <span class="cue" id="t-560" data-t="560">things like that that are gonna be really important. But yeah. I mean, I I think the important</span> <span class="cue" id="t-565" data-t="565">the important thing to do</span> <span class="cue" id="t-569" data-t="569">in taking on the PodConf is to become the PodConf,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-575" data-t="575">through PodConf sponsorships.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-578">9:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-578" data-t="578">So, like, I expect here pretty soon, we're gonna be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-582" data-t="582">shelling a bunch of ref codes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-585" data-t="585">on here</span> <span class="cue" id="t-586" data-t="586">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-589" data-t="589">talking about all these different companies.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-591" data-t="591">Like, hopefully, like, we can do this for a couple of years. And in that couple of years, we'll have, like, at least six different exchanges sponsor us. I mean, just, like, rotate through every little bit</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-602">10:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-602" data-t="602">saying that this place is the best place to buy Bitcoin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-605">10:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-605" data-t="605">Right. Whether we succeed or fail, I think that this could be a really good blueprint</span> <span class="cue" id="t-609" data-t="609">or, for others to to kinda copy and to follow. And hopefully, the synergy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-614" data-t="614">between all of us and then and all the podcasts that come after us,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-618" data-t="618">we'll be able to finally be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-621" data-t="621">the the power or the the kinetic energy that takes down the state.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-628">10:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-628" data-t="628">Yeah. I mean, what what we're doing, we're just building the dominoes one podcast episode at a time.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-634" data-t="634">That's the only way to to do this thing.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-637">10:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-637" data-t="637">I do. There's two ways to Yeah. Go ahead.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-641">10:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-641" data-t="641">Well, you know, Martin Luther King Junior once said the best way to, create change in the world is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-648" data-t="648">to post stuff on the Internet.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-651">10:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-651" data-t="651">Add up to him. He was a visionary.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-653" data-t="653">He had his time here.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-657" data-t="657">Yeah. And I would I would be remiss. I'd be remiss if, we didn't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-662" data-t="662">make sure that we honored the only the only reason we have the ability to own Bitcoin, the only reason we have the ability to spend it, the only reason we have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-670" data-t="670">the the ability to podcast about it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-673" data-t="673">is due to the the brave,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-676">11:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-676" data-t="676">and courageous activities,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-678" data-t="678">and lobbying of Dennis Porter. If if it wasn't for him, none of this would be possible. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-684" data-t="684">this podcast and all the subsequent podcasts that will come after it, I think that they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-689" data-t="689">owe they owe that tribute to, to Dennis.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-693">11:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-693" data-t="693">Yeah. I'd I'd I'm glad that the community is starting to to see the importance of Dennis. We we have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-701" data-t="701">44 signatures on the petition to get him a speaking slot at at the Bitcoin conference. Wow. Impressive.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-709" data-t="709">So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-710" data-t="710">the community is really, really up in arms about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-713" data-t="713">the leader of the state Status Bitcoin Association not being able to to speak at the the Status Bitcoin Conference.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-722">12:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-722" data-t="722">It's really kinda I wonder what the beef is. I wonder why they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-725" data-t="725">they refuse to honor Dennis. Maybe David. Maybe it's media thing. I don't know.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-731">12:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-731" data-t="731">Yeah. I mean, I think it's an ego thing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-734" data-t="734">David David's got a big ego and, you know, David wants to to take credit for,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-740" data-t="740">what his organization is doing as far as Bitcoin adoption.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-745" data-t="745">And he has to yield to Dennis</span> <span class="cue" id="t-748" data-t="748">and essentially admit that Bitcoin wouldn't even be possible today without Dennis</span> <span class="cue" id="t-753" data-t="753">going around and passing all these,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-755">12:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-755" data-t="755">rights to self custody laws</span> <span class="cue" id="t-758" data-t="758">in all these different states.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-760">12:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-760" data-t="760">Yeah. And I think there's a cognitive dissonance. I think David wants to have this,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-764" data-t="764">was to have this state of Bitcoin conference. He wants to to push,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-769" data-t="769">Bitcoin through the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-772" data-t="772">the pipes, I guess, of the state to kinda take it over. But he's gonna be taxes. Right? So he moves to Puerto Rico and he has the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-778" data-t="778">honorable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-779" data-t="779">position of knowing that you can't have you can't have your k 82. Like, if you want a state as Bitcoin or association, you have to contribute your taxes to dis to disrupting the state that you're you're trying to gain adoption in.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-794">13:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-794" data-t="794">Yeah. I mean, that's a that's a good point.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-799" data-t="799">I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-801" data-t="801">IRS agents need to smoke cigarettes too. You know? Exactly. They have families. They have</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-807">13:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-807" data-t="807">cigarettes. When you buy cigarettes for a family of four, especially with with with state,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-812" data-t="812">sales taxes, you're you're looking at</span> <span class="cue" id="t-815" data-t="815">thousands of dollars amount, thousands of dollars a year depending on your habit.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-821">13:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-821" data-t="821">Yeah. I mean, maybe maybe this is a good route to subvert the state is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-825" data-t="825">we we send a bunch of free</span> <span class="cue" id="t-828" data-t="828">ZIN tens of ZIN,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-830" data-t="830">to the IRS,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-832" data-t="832">and then all of them</span> <span class="cue" id="t-834" data-t="834">start using ZIN instead of smoking cigarettes. And then the productivity goes out the window,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-839">13:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-839" data-t="839">and then they can no longer tax anybody. It's kinda it's kinda like a DDoS attack. You know?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-846">14:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-846" data-t="846">You should do that. We should start at the campaign. Everybody when you send you your tax returns, you can definitely pay your taxes this year. Send send a send a a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-854" data-t="854">log of ZYN to the, IRS with your tax return.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-859">14:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-859" data-t="859">Well, I I think if we lobby</span> <span class="cue" id="t-861" data-t="861">our favorite lobbyist hard enough, he could probably march on congress,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-866" data-t="866">repeal</span> <span class="cue" id="t-868" data-t="868">laws around</span> <span class="cue" id="t-872" data-t="872">how you pay the IRS so that we can pay the IRS in Bitcoin. We can pay the IRS in in different tokens.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-879" data-t="879">And then we can actually launch a ZYN token</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-883">14:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-883" data-t="883">on the Solana blockchain.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-887" data-t="887">And that's how we pay the IRS as a ZYN token, which is only redeemable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-892" data-t="892">in ZYN.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-895" data-t="895">We just had some,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-896" data-t="896">technical difficulties. My my typewriter crashed.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-900" data-t="900">It's, like, really difficult to record a type or a podcast on a typewriter.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-905">15:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-905" data-t="905">The Wi Fi, the Wi Fi, and the Bluetooth on typewriter, she's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-909" data-t="909">still behind.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-913">15:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-913" data-t="913">Yeah. I wonder if I can get in the the bios and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-917" data-t="917">and do some finagling here to to make it work for me. A Linux typewriter?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-922" data-t="922">Yeah. Typewriter</span> <span class="cue" id="t-923" data-t="923">OS is a, Linux distro.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-927">15:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-927" data-t="927">Is that Fedora or Ubuntu?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-931">15:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-931" data-t="931">Yeah. It's a it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-933" data-t="933">a fork of Ubuntu, I think. It's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-936" data-t="936">I don't know. I mean, I I like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-939" data-t="939">I still type with,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-941" data-t="941">you know what? Yeah. I I kinda alternate back and forth between typing with two fingers and typing with all my fingers just because of the the carpal tunnel.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-951" data-t="951">Like, a lot of these people with keyboards, they just don't understand,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-954">15:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-954" data-t="954">how easy it is these days. And, like, you know, using a typewriter as proof of work, you should see my fingers how jacked they are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-962" data-t="962">compared to the average</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-964">16:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-964" data-t="964">person. That's a good point.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-968" data-t="968">So, yeah, let's kick this thing off. Let's start with,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-971" data-t="971">intros. Who's Richard Gasser?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-973" data-t="973">People who might be listening to this, and they only maybe see your articles on on on the bugle.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-980" data-t="980">Sure. What's your background? What got you into this?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-985">16:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-985" data-t="985">Alcoholism.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-986" data-t="986">Every every good story</span> <span class="cue" id="t-989" data-t="989">starts with alcoholism.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-991" data-t="991">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-993" data-t="993">I was an alcoholic because I,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-995" data-t="995">I I sold my sold it to the Pontaff</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-999">16:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-999" data-t="999">Industrial Complex and, was working for a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1003" data-t="1003">traditional news agency and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1006" data-t="1006">just drank until my liver</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1008" data-t="1008">had issues. And the doctor said you can't keep on going on like this.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1013" data-t="1013">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1014" data-t="1014">I looked at my wife and</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1016">16:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1016" data-t="1016">kid and knew that they wouldn't be able to smoke cigarettes if,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1021" data-t="1021">I wasn't around. And so I decided</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1023" data-t="1023">to to leave that that business. And once I took my soul back from</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1029" data-t="1029">that news agency,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1032" data-t="1032">my liver started recovering.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1035" data-t="1035">Wow. And so the bugle the bugle was born out of that.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1039">17:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1039" data-t="1039">The bugle is,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1040">17:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1040" data-t="1040">Backstory?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1042">17:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1042" data-t="1042">Yeah. It's,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1043">17:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1043" data-t="1043">Runs like that. Like like out of the ashes of like the phoenix.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1049">17:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1049" data-t="1049">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1050" data-t="1050">Yeah. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1052" data-t="1052">I read I read Atlas Shrugged, and I and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1055" data-t="1055">I was really inspired by it. And I think Dick Greaser is is like the John Galt of journalism, and the Bugle is Galt's Gulch.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1062" data-t="1062">It's like the last bastion on Earth where you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1066" data-t="1066">where you get the news raw and unfiltered,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1069">17:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1069" data-t="1069">without all the leaders stepping in and messing with it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1073">17:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1073" data-t="1073">That's really inspiring.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1074" data-t="1074">That inspiration</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1075" data-t="1075">is really what,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1078" data-t="1078">you know, catalyzed me</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1080" data-t="1080">to to wanna join up and and to to work with the people. I mean, you can read my</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1085" data-t="1085">bio on the website.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1086">18:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1086" data-t="1086">I'm Rod Palmer, by the way. And, just a little backstory. I mean, I was born out of a rail rig in the North Sea. My dad was a Chevron roughneck.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1095" data-t="1095">My mother was a Inuit prostitute, but we called in the industry what they called the industry.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1102" data-t="1102">I'm a national honor, an old didact.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1105" data-t="1105">I spent a lot of time working as a Wikipedia editor, while I was competing my bachelor's of journalism and my degree from the University of Phoenix.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1113" data-t="1113">I graduated summa cum laude.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1115" data-t="1115">My job on Wikipedia was started out kind of an entry level position every time somebody died. My job is to go in and change all the information about them on Wikipedia to past tense and to change the dates.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1128">18:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1128" data-t="1128">I switched to anytime somebody</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1130" data-t="1130">did something that was worth,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1132" data-t="1132">the insulin, getting in trouble, controversy. I was going in and make sure that nobody had added any sources or any information that would provide further context to their comments.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1143" data-t="1143">But that wasn't appealing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1145" data-t="1145">And I found Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1146" data-t="1146">and became interested after states and governments come in, began permitting its use in the twenty ten's, passing laws that made it legal to use. I thought that was very important.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1156">19:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1156" data-t="1156">And so now we cover politics, pop culture and finance,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1159" data-t="1159">in Didway, the Beagle. It's been a, it's a great experience so far.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1165">19:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1165" data-t="1165">So what was it like I I'm assuming</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1168" data-t="1168">both based on your description of both your parents that they were both smokers.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1173">19:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1173" data-t="1173">Oh, yeah, absolutely. My,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1175" data-t="1175">my mom smoked,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1178" data-t="1178">Virginia Slams. Well, we live like Virginia Slams. They were alone in cigarettes. They were actually</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1183" data-t="1183">ruled,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1184" data-t="1184">in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1186" data-t="1186">using Eskimo technology which has actually been banned South Of</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1189">19:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1189" data-t="1189">Manitoba</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1191" data-t="1191">my dad, he was he smoked Lucky Strikes like his dad before him He switched to, Marlboro Reds of course which is the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1198" data-t="1198">Bitcoin standard of cigarettes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1200" data-t="1200">He actually died from lung cancer in 2007.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1204" data-t="1204">Unfortunately he was not around to see Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1207" data-t="1207">but</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1208">20:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1208" data-t="1208">he would've loved it. He would've loved it. He loved smoking. He smoked three packs a day. My mom, we lost touch in the 1990s.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1216" data-t="1216">She went back to.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1219" data-t="1219">I hope she's listening to this. I hope they have podcasts</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1223" data-t="1223">in the Eskimo country. I want to reconnect with her. But, yeah, big smile for sure. Big time. I mean, I I smelled because of them. Wanted to be just like them. I,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1232" data-t="1232">I actually</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1233" data-t="1233">switched to vaping. Unfortunately, it's not a time I'm around of, but back on the more roads.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1241">20:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1241" data-t="1241">I'm glad you glad you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1244" data-t="1244">got back on the, the correct path.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1246" data-t="1246">Yeah. I mean, like, not a lot</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1249" data-t="1249">of not not a lot of people have,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1252" data-t="1252">the privilege of growing up with parents that that smoke. Like, I know another writer who works for the Bugle, Max Shaft. He grew up in a Mormon</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1260" data-t="1260">tradition, and</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1262">21:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1262" data-t="1262">neither of his parents smoked. And and he is just, like, completely traumatized. Like, he's been in therapy for,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1268" data-t="1268">I don't know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1270" data-t="1270">at least a couple years,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1272" data-t="1272">to try and come up</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1274" data-t="1274">or, overcome that trauma</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1276" data-t="1276">of, not</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1278">21:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1278" data-t="1278">experiencing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1279" data-t="1279">good role models in this household</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1282">21:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1282" data-t="1282">growing up? Yeah. Just because your parents smiled doesn't mean that they're great parents. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1287" data-t="1287">my grandma my grandmother, she suffered with, with parents who smoked, but they rode the windows down. They drove</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1293" data-t="1293">far and smoke from the car. They didn't keep the windows rolled up. I think there's something to be said about training your lungs to be able to handle carcinogens and smoke because we live in a pretty privileged</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1304" data-t="1304">era in this society where</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1306" data-t="1306">the rivers are full of sewage, the air is not full of industrial smoke, coal, small</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1312" data-t="1312">fires</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1314">21:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1314" data-t="1314">from burning</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1315" data-t="1315">wildfires,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1316" data-t="1316">things like that. You</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1318" data-t="1318">come into a situation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1320" data-t="1320">like that without lungs that have been,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1324" data-t="1324">trained to withstand it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1326">22:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1326" data-t="1326">You may not survive.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1330">22:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1330" data-t="1330">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1331" data-t="1331">A lot of people also don't know that the University of Phoenix is like the top journalistic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1338" data-t="1338">institution</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1340" data-t="1340">for education in the country.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1342">22:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1342" data-t="1342">Yeah. I learned so much. I go to either University of Phoenix. I'm gonna get my online bachelor's degree in journalism studies.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1350" data-t="1350">There was,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1353" data-t="1353">obviously, we didn't have to go through the era where there's AI and there's plagiarism, but, it would have been really great to learn how to plagiarize using AI. I think it would be a better journalism. But if I wasn't an autodidact, I didn't learn how to do that myself.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1367">22:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1367" data-t="1367">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1368" data-t="1368">When I went to journalism school a long, long time ago, my my favorite class was with this class I took freshman year, which was,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1377" data-t="1377">how to manipulate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1379" data-t="1379">quotes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1381" data-t="1381">to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1382" data-t="1382">drive whichever agenda you want one on one.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1385">23:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1385" data-t="1385">And that was a very useful class that I took.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1388">23:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1388" data-t="1388">It takes a lot of skill to take somebody out of context and and twist it and spin it for your, for your unmerited.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1394" data-t="1394">I mean, that's like you can't just it's not a skill that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1398" data-t="1398">it's not even know if you can be taught a skill like that. You can be introduced to this skill and you can find it within yourself. But being able to just spend some of these words and completely manipulate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1408" data-t="1408">what your point they were trying to make is, is something that others in the in the journalism industry should really focus</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1416" data-t="1416">on doing a little bit better in my opinion.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1420">23:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1420" data-t="1420">Yeah. I mean, it's it's not really something that AI can can figure out how to do. You know, it it it takes a lot of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1428" data-t="1428">a brainpower and creativity</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1430" data-t="1430">that you can't just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1432" data-t="1432">encode in zeros and ones to be able to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1436" data-t="1436">you know, stretch people's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1439" data-t="1439">quotes and and misattribute them.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1442">24:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1442" data-t="1442">Yeah. It it takes incentives.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1444" data-t="1444">I don't know if the AI has the right incentives.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1448">24:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1448" data-t="1448">It it it might eventually, but I I think the jobs of of of good quality journalists are intact.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1456" data-t="1456">And, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1458" data-t="1458">the the stuff happening</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1461" data-t="1461">at Sports Illustrated,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1462" data-t="1462">and Vice, and, you know, all these company BuzzFeed that are having a lot of financial issues, CNN.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1469" data-t="1469">I think it's just passing. Like, what what it comes down to at the end of the day</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1474">24:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1474" data-t="1474">is we're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1476" data-t="1476">we're in a market</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1479" data-t="1479">where</span> <span class="cue" data-t="1479">they're raising interest rates. And so all the corporate sponsors</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1483" data-t="1483">don't Hardly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1485" data-t="1485">Have the free money to pump into</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1487">24:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1487" data-t="1487">the advertising dollars to to keep these media</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1490" data-t="1490">companies alive. And so it's not it's not a reflection of their poor journalism.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1495" data-t="1495">It's just the fact that Jerome Powell is an asshole</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1499" data-t="1499">and isn't printing enough money right now.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1502">25:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1502" data-t="1502">Absolutely. It's a it's a cyclical industry. I think it's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1506" data-t="1506">the first victims</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1507" data-t="1507">in a in a high interest rate environment are gonna be those outlets that are doing the best journalism that are challenging</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1513" data-t="1513">the state and challenging power the most effectively. That's why we see dead spin. We see vice going down, sports illustrated, but that'll that'll recover.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1522" data-t="1522">They're gonna cut interest rates later this year, most likely, at least one time next year for sure.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1527" data-t="1527">So we</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1529">25:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1529" data-t="1529">should see vice come back stronger than ever. I think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1532" data-t="1532">they're gonna have a lot to say after their</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1535" data-t="1535">year or so of silence.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1538">25:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1538" data-t="1538">Yeah. I mean, it's it's really important to have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1541" data-t="1541">very strong, like, status CIA infiltrated</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1545" data-t="1545">media platforms like Vice</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1547" data-t="1547">covering</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1548" data-t="1548">world affairs</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1550" data-t="1550">because we we need to know what the what the correct narrative is,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1556">25:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1556" data-t="1556">to replicate Yeah. For the most part. People aren't equipped</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1559">25:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1559" data-t="1559">to figure that out themselves.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1561">26:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1561" data-t="1561">No. No. They they shouldn't figure it out themselves. I mean, most people think that smoking is bad for you. Why should they be given the truth?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1569">26:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1569" data-t="1569">That's kind of like this most simple sign up, right? Like if you think smoking is bad, I can pretty much write off your opinion on everything else.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1576">26:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1576" data-t="1576">Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's a few good ones, like people that believe the vaccines are real.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1582" data-t="1582">That's another good one. People that believe in in climate change and then people that believe that smoking is bad.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1589" data-t="1589">It's just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1590" data-t="1590">pretty pretty much if you're from the state of California,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1594" data-t="1594">your opinion,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1596" data-t="1596">can get thrown out the window. And and this is probably why people give,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1601">26:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1601" data-t="1601">the fine folks at Swans so many issues is they're they're Californians and so therefore Right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1609" data-t="1609">Their opinions are already wrong.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1612" data-t="1612">And so it's kinda hard for them to communicate.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1615">26:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1615" data-t="1615">The ability to thrive in Los Angeles or San Francisco</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1618" data-t="1618">is eradicated</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1620" data-t="1620">on</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1621" data-t="1621">kind of this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1623" data-t="1623">continuation or this belief in the PSIOP and mass psychosis as</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1628" data-t="1628">Robert Malone talked about.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1630">27:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1630" data-t="1630">If you don't have that ability to tap into the statist,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1636" data-t="1636">that vibe, that rhythm in society,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1640" data-t="1640">it's just way too much. It's way too difficult to survive in that in that environment.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1648">27:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1648" data-t="1648">Yeah. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1649" data-t="1649">I I think the Bitcoin community is just gonna have to become more Californian</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1654" data-t="1654">in order for, like, the swan guys to to be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1658" data-t="1658">successful and fit in.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1661">27:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1661" data-t="1661">And they're and they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1663" data-t="1663">yeah. They're able to connect directly with states above them like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1667" data-t="1667">Portland has some great There's some great culture, great political ideas come out of Portland, Seattle.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1673" data-t="1673">They're right in line with San Francisco and Los Angeles. I think that the synergy between those West Coast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1679" data-t="1679">big winners can really make an impact.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1684">28:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1684" data-t="1684">I agree.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1687">28:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1687" data-t="1687">Let's get into some</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1691" data-t="1691">of the best audiences this week. What do you got for those?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1696">28:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1696" data-t="1696">I picked out three.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1698">28:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1698" data-t="1698">Oh. You did three Google articles, right? Favorite Google articles</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1702" data-t="1702">that we published,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1704" data-t="1704">is past week till March 24.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1708" data-t="1708">Seventeenth, twenty fourth.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1711">28:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1711" data-t="1711">Oh, well, I went further back. Okay. I have one from the thirteenth. I I I picked this yellow article because I think it was one of the most important,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1720" data-t="1720">stories.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1721" data-t="1721">So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1723" data-t="1723">essentially, we found out that Yellow has</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1726" data-t="1726">been lying</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1728" data-t="1728">to everybody on Twitter by prerecording his Twitter spaces.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1732">28:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1732" data-t="1732">Wow.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1734" data-t="1734">He's wet now, by the way.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1737">28:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1737" data-t="1737">Yeah. It was a huge letdown. I mean, no no wonder why it's taken so long to get to a 100 k.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1743" data-t="1743">He the the question is is when did Yellow stop believing and start prerecording these spaces?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1751">29:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1751" data-t="1751">Maybe he's buying the big member, right? Maybe he sold out, maybe he doesn't have the side. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1756" data-t="1756">yeah, like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1757" data-t="1757">you have an entire movement. You have you have rounded up hundreds of plants</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1762" data-t="1762">to come to dedicate or come to appreciate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1765" data-t="1765">and to count on on spaces like this. And then you're just mailing it in. And it's it's like you've got this this captured audience. Like, you don't have to put quality behind</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1775" data-t="1775">your content anymore. You could just prerecord it and</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1778">29:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1778" data-t="1778">and go to the, you know, the toxic part at the hour and listen to that instead.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1785">29:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1785" data-t="1785">Yeah. I mean, if I were him and I was caught red handed like this, I would have just admitted to it and said, sorry, guys. I'm too busy building in the bear market.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1794" data-t="1794">I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1795" data-t="1795">I gotta do what I gotta do. Sometimes I prerecord spaces. But, like, he totally took it,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1800" data-t="1800">denied it,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1802" data-t="1802">and then got called out for it left and right. He tried to do another prerecorded Twitter space, and everybody was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1809" data-t="1809">commenting on how it was prerecorded when he was</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1813">30:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1813" data-t="1813">playing it. And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1815" data-t="1815">it was just There used to be there used to be accountability</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1818">30:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1818" data-t="1818">in these spaces. There used to be accountability</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1820" data-t="1820">to the influencers in in the spaces host. And that accountability</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1824" data-t="1824">was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1825" data-t="1825">rival meme gangs. I mean, yellow is a part of a meme gang. And there's rival meme gangs that are a little bit less</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1831" data-t="1831">friendly to influencers. Of course, talking about typically elite memes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1835" data-t="1835">Unfortunately,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1836">30:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1836" data-t="1836">they don't know what happened. They fell off the face of the earth.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1839" data-t="1839">And you see this, they did.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1842" data-t="1842">All hell breakaways. I mean, three party spaces,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1845" data-t="1845">people getting into</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1846" data-t="1846">the shit going again, the meme coins coming back on Solana spaces with Mario, not all came back.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1852" data-t="1852">Swan is adding more spaces.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1854">30:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1854" data-t="1854">It's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1855" data-t="1855">an explosion</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1856" data-t="1856">of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1857" data-t="1857">fiat,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1858" data-t="1858">well, Podcock, if it is Podcock spaces is what it is. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1862" data-t="1862">it seemed like the only thing holding it back.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1864">31:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1864" data-t="1864">The dam that was keeping all this pent up</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1868" data-t="1868">scam or energy at bay</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1870" data-t="1870">was the dam.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1875">31:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1875" data-t="1875">Is there is there a way to track who has more Twitter spaces between Bitcoin Magazine and Swan?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1882">31:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1882" data-t="1882">It's hard. It's hard because both of them have done a very good job</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1887" data-t="1887">of employing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1889" data-t="1889">directly or indirectly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1891" data-t="1891">agents of the pod cop state. So they have a lot of spaces that are not directly in it's not an employee, it's not paid basis by one of these entities.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1901" data-t="1901">But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1902" data-t="1902">the enthusiasm and the mission and</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1905">31:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1905" data-t="1905">the focus of the spaces</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1907" data-t="1907">is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1908" data-t="1908">inseparable. It's indistinguishable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1910" data-t="1910">from</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1912" data-t="1912">their,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1913" data-t="1913">their inspiration.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1917">31:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1917" data-t="1917">Which which side so, like, the the king of the PodCon is Peter McCormack.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1924" data-t="1924">Which which side of the Swan Bitcoin magazine war do you think he sits on? Or is he trying to pretend to be neutral?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1931">32:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1931" data-t="1931">I think what he's doing, which is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1933" data-t="1933">tactical move on his part, is he's looking to see who's gonna win. And he's gonna have the most money</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1938" data-t="1938">in the next ten years to pay him with sponsorships</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1941" data-t="1941">and to invite him to their conferences to get him free tickets, to let him sell his Bedford jerseys, his Bedford t shirts, his Gemini branded,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1950" data-t="1950">soccer jerseys.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1952" data-t="1952">Whoever has the ability to make him the most money, you see, I picked the winner there.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1957">32:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1957" data-t="1957">I think he's kind of holding</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1960" data-t="1960">reserving his judgment until he sees the clear winner.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1965">32:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1965" data-t="1965">He's pretty smart.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1967">32:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1967" data-t="1967">Good on Peter for that. He's playing both sides right now.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1971" data-t="1971">And it's, you know, brilliant, brilliant working, brilliant businessman, brilliant pod cop,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1978" data-t="1978">entity, actor. Brilliant podcast actor.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1982">33:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1982" data-t="1982">Yeah. He's definitely mastered it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1985" data-t="1985">The second</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1986" data-t="1986">the second article,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1988" data-t="1988">it's it's like a good segue on this topic,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1991" data-t="1991">is your article on how</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1994" data-t="1994">Bitcoin companies vow to comply as much as it takes to defeat the state?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1999">33:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1999" data-t="1999">Yeah. That's it was really great one to write, a great one to research, and it's just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2004" data-t="2004">really good insight into some of the most powerful companies. We've already mentioned a few, the Climatic,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2009" data-t="2009">Swan, River, Strike.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2012" data-t="2012">And there's many more out there who</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2015" data-t="2015">they have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2017" data-t="2017">paved the way</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2018">33:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2018" data-t="2018">over this subversion, this out and it's to comply. And when the state wants them to comply and they say comply, these companies ask immediately how hard, and that's what they do. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2030" data-t="2030">the harder</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2031" data-t="2031">the the harder the state tries to regulate, the harder the state tries to disrupt the industry, the harder they're gonna comply. And I think that eventually,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2038" data-t="2038">people inside these bureaucracies, they're gonna be impressed. And they're gonna realize that even they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2044" data-t="2044">who are the advocate trillionaires,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2047" data-t="2047">the the bureaucratic version of that, the ones that are closest to the lawmakers and the the enforcers of the law, they know</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2054">34:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2054" data-t="2054">better than anybody how to comply in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2058" data-t="2058">where the holes are in the enforcement, where they can get away with it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2062" data-t="2062">They've not applied.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2064" data-t="2064">And even those guys are not able to comply as well and as quickly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2068" data-t="2068">at a lot of these,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2070" data-t="2070">these regulated exchanges. And it's</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2072">34:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2072" data-t="2072">going to become very, very obvious to them.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2075" data-t="2075">They're they're fighting a losing battle. If you can't comply harder and the next guy, you don't stand a chance.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2082" data-t="2082">And I think this will ultimately bring the whole house of cards crashing in on itself.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2089">34:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2089" data-t="2089">Yeah. I know you you put a ton of work into this article. You went around and you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2094" data-t="2094">interviewed a lot of different CEOs. One one of the quotes you had on here was,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2099" data-t="2099">once they see how hard we comply, they're going to be impressed.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2103" data-t="2103">In fact, they're going to be intimidated.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2106" data-t="2106">It's very difficult to comply as hard as we're complying.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2109" data-t="2109">I don't even think Congress or the Pentagon can simply comply this hard if they made it their only goal.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2116">35:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2116" data-t="2116">Right. I'm gonna pause real quick. Of course, they they can't comply that hard, because the Pentagon can't even audit themselves.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2126" data-t="2126">But, Yeah. I'll finish it real quick and then we're we're gaining a lot of respect in the IRS, FinCEN, and the halls of Congress. The harder we comply, the more money we're able to make. And the more money we're able to make, the more money we could donate to the state to ultimately defeat them, said the CFO of Cash Out.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2145">35:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2145" data-t="2145">Yeah. I mean, it's it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2149" data-t="2149">the amount of money clients coming in is gonna be like a tidal wave.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2154" data-t="2154">If you can't compete with that, if you can't compete with clients from MicroStrategy, you can find from Blackhawk, clients from Adobe, Cash App, Swat,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2162" data-t="2162">River from all these companies.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2165" data-t="2165">What are you gonna do? It's it's one of those you could fight where you can lay down your arms and join. And I think that once everybody lays down their arms and realizes we can comply together,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2176" data-t="2176">this is the state won't know how to react.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2179">36:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2179" data-t="2179">They're gonna lose all their funding.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2184">36:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2184" data-t="2184">Yeah. It's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2186" data-t="2186">a very, like, interesting and impressive strategy,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2190" data-t="2190">for sure. And, it's a tried and true method. I mean, people have been complying</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2194" data-t="2194">for a very, very long time with with great success.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2199">36:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2199" data-t="2199">How is the SEC? How is the SEC going</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2202" data-t="2202">to justify a budget</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2204" data-t="2204">when every time they put out a new regulation,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2207" data-t="2207">everybody just replies</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2209" data-t="2209">it. What are they going to do? They're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2211" data-t="2211">going to need more agents to put out more regulations? Maybe. Or maybe they just they lose their</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2216">36:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2216" data-t="2216">funding because it's like we don't we don't need them anymore. Everybody just does exactly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2221" data-t="2221">what</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2222" data-t="2222">we will punish them if they don't do.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2227">37:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2227" data-t="2227">Yeah. I mean, it it's pretty safe to say we wouldn't have the ETF right now without compliance.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2233">37:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2233" data-t="2233">Right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2234" data-t="2234">The we're in an old time audit. You can bank compliance for that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2240" data-t="2240">Yeah.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2241">37:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2241" data-t="2241">Bank winners are complying there.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2244">37:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2244" data-t="2244">Well, this is probably to give work positive feedback they get in the form of prey.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2251">37:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2251" data-t="2251">That's probably why Canada is gonna hit a 100 k first.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2255" data-t="2255">They're complying harder.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2256">37:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2256" data-t="2256">Oh, there's no doubt about it. I mean, when it comes to compliance,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2261" data-t="2261">we do</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2262" data-t="2262">a great job in The United States. But the Bitcoin standard of compliance is in Canada. And as a result,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2268" data-t="2268">they are on the precipice of 6 figure, a 100 ks Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2272" data-t="2272">If that, and they got the 58 ks first, they got to enjoy more time at 58 ks.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2277" data-t="2277">It's just any people are gonna look at what the end of this deal. And they're gonna realize like the benefits of the pie. It's going to have a,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2286">38:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2286" data-t="2286">it's gonna have a very contagion. It's gonna have a contagion out of that. People are just gonna be like, well, this is the way to go.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2294">38:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2294" data-t="2294">Yeah. I mean, compliance just it it makes the world</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2298" data-t="2298">more safer.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2299">38:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2299" data-t="2299">It makes everything easier too.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2303">38:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2303" data-t="2303">I think I think I'm gonna have to add an additional article. I think I'm gonna have to boost it up to four because there there is somebody I wanna give a shout out of this week because it was the top performing article on Twitter.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2315" data-t="2315">Not that that I I think Stacker News is the important metric to follow, but I I still wanna give this person a shout out because they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2322" data-t="2322">submitted their first article,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2324" data-t="2324">and it blew up, but I'll I'll get back to that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2328" data-t="2328">The one that I can start.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2330">38:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2330" data-t="2330">Yeah. Yeah. I'm talking about the Nice choice.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2332">38:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2332" data-t="2332">Good addition to the team.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2335" data-t="2335">The last article I have on my list is, Bitcoin magazine to offer counseling to employees negatively impacted by David Bailey's Twitter antics.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2345">39:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2345" data-t="2345">Well, thankfully, that's it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2347" data-t="2347">They deserve it. He's going out there. He's throwing up the nest, the hornets nest. And he's not the one getting stung. He told his employees, they they they get stung mentally.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2357" data-t="2357">Every time they log online, they're called scammers and shitcoiners, and it's it's it's gotta be taking a toll on</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2364">39:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2364" data-t="2364">them. Yeah. I I made sure,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2367" data-t="2367">to log into my email and email</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2371" data-t="2371">all the people that I've been in contact with at the physical print magazine and blame them for David's antics.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2378">39:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2378" data-t="2378">I mean, who who who else lost</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2381" data-t="2381">a print</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2382" data-t="2382">all this, all this information that's coming from the top if it's not telling you?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2387" data-t="2387">It's their fault?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2388">39:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2388" data-t="2388">It's yeah. I mean, I I hold Shinobi</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2391" data-t="2391">particularly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2392" data-t="2392">responsible</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2393" data-t="2393">for for David Bailey's Twitter antics.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2398" data-t="2398">But, yeah, I know I know it's been it's been pretty tough on them,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2403" data-t="2403">taking all the</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2405">40:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2405" data-t="2405">all the, criticism</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2407" data-t="2407">for David Bailey's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2409" data-t="2409">Twitter antics. So it's it's nice to see Bitcoin magazine's HR department trying to take care of the employees in the company that that might be worn out from all of this.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2418">40:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2418" data-t="2418">Medium spread, maybe some of these other companies will,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2421" data-t="2421">will add</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2422" data-t="2422">big trauma therapy and counseling for employees impacted by the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2426" data-t="2426">by the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2428" data-t="2428">the issues that come from clients.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2431" data-t="2431">Hard to comply and keep all your friends because not everybody's</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2435">40:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2435" data-t="2435">in the line that's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2437" data-t="2437">saying that that's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2438" data-t="2438">the best way to go. And they're getting picked on and and dumped on, memes made out of them.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2443" data-t="2443">It's being found on constantly and it's got to wear down.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2446" data-t="2446">And it's probably good for cigarettes. I think stress is probably causing people to smoke extra cigarettes. So I guess it's not all that, but it can be tough.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2456">40:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2456" data-t="2456">Yeah. Yeah. No. There there's definitely room for for a lot of counseling,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2462" data-t="2462">for people that have received lots of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2465" data-t="2465">backlash. I know I know a lot.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2468" data-t="2468">I mean, if I was a if I was a Compass employee, I'd be suing Compass for, for free counseling hours based on what, what Gibbs put everybody through.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2479">41:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2479" data-t="2479">Oh, yeah. It's taught,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2481" data-t="2481">And I know some of them personally and they they've expressed how difficult it is. But I was able to remind people that the best way to solve your problems is therapy. Tell a psychoanalyst</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2490" data-t="2490">what your issues are, let them solve for you. They went to college. They understand how to solve problems.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2496">41:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2496" data-t="2496">Yeah. I know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2499" data-t="2499">there's been some people that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2501" data-t="2501">some very notable people in history that that psychotherapy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2505" data-t="2505">has helped.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2506" data-t="2506">I know Charles Manson was one of them. He,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2510" data-t="2510">actually was going to a CIA</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2513">41:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2513" data-t="2513">facilitated</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2514" data-t="2514">psychotherapy,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2518" data-t="2518">clinic.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2521">42:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2521" data-t="2521">And I helped him out a lot. Didn't didn't didn't didn't Ted Kishisbe did he get,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2526" data-t="2526">some government subsidized, which is, hey, that's the way to go. Get the government to pay for your your therapy. It'll be the best way to get it done. And Kosinski has some government funded</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2535" data-t="2535">psychotherapy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2536" data-t="2536">that really helps them identify</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2539" data-t="2539">the threat of the state.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2542">42:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2542" data-t="2542">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2543" data-t="2543">Yeah. I mean, I think that's the the important part is just to to make sure that the government</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2549" data-t="2549">is the one,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2550" data-t="2550">giving you a psychotherapy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2552" data-t="2552">I know I know there's a lot of experimentation,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2555" data-t="2555">that the CIA has done through the years with LSD that can be really healing for people's souls.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2561">42:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2561" data-t="2561">We're fair. We're fair. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2563" data-t="2563">yet</span> <span class="cue" data-t="2563">not all of us are lucky enough to get state funded or state performed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2569" data-t="2569">out of therapy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2570" data-t="2570">The next best is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2572" data-t="2572">any therapist who is licensed,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2574">42:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2574" data-t="2574">and briefed by the psychiatric associate.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2577" data-t="2577">Now if you take a government, go through the American</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2580" data-t="2580">Psychiatric</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2581" data-t="2581">Association.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2585">43:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2585" data-t="2585">Yeah. Those guys those guys are pretty stellar.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2588" data-t="2588">Most of them don't understand the importance of smoking yet,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2592" data-t="2592">but I know that's changing and and getting a lot better. That's tough. That is tough.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2596">43:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2596" data-t="2596">They they don't necessarily understand. They keep that you understand the importance of antidepressants, SSRIs,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2602" data-t="2602">amphetamines</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2604" data-t="2604">and benzodiazepines,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2605" data-t="2605">it was really rich in life,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2608" data-t="2608">really.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2611">43:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2611" data-t="2611">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2612" data-t="2612">Yeah, benzos</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2613" data-t="2613">are a good one. It's kind of like alcohol without the liver damage, you know? Right.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2620">43:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2620" data-t="2620">More antidepressants you take, the more likely you are to take body problems.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2624" data-t="2624">That's important as</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2626" data-t="2626">well.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2627">43:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2627" data-t="2627">Yeah. I mean, I I guess I should be talking with these guys at Bitcoin Magazine</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2631" data-t="2631">and and partying on them</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2633" data-t="2633">a lot of the the skills I learned to survive</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2636" data-t="2636">in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2637" data-t="2637">the, news industry,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2640" data-t="2640">when I was working at Fiat News.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2643">44:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2643" data-t="2643">Like, I I'm sure most of them aren't taking benzos yet, which would</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2647" data-t="2647">would help them quite a bit.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2649">44:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2649" data-t="2649">Things keep going away. They're they're gonna need them.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2654">44:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2654" data-t="2654">Yeah. Maybe you could start,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2656" data-t="2656">a geyser fund</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2658" data-t="2658">to, like, ship, like, a bunch of Xanax from India,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2663" data-t="2663">to the Bitcoin magazine headquarters</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2666" data-t="2666">in Nashville.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2668">44:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2668" data-t="2668">Oh, yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2670" data-t="2670">Not like candy.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2673">44:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2673" data-t="2673">I yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2675" data-t="2675">Yeah. They're probably</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2677" data-t="2677">we gotta we gotta make sure that like, maybe</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2680" data-t="2680">I'll I'll add Xanax onto my my list of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2684" data-t="2684">items sold at the conference. La last year in Miami,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2689" data-t="2689">I had a,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2691">44:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2691" data-t="2691">like, a little cart set up in front of the front gate where I was selling single cigarettes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2697" data-t="2697">I I imagine,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2702" data-t="2702">like, I imagine</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2703" data-t="2703">a good way to, like, attract the feds to, like, try and shoot me</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2707" data-t="2707">would be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2709" data-t="2709">selling single cigarettes. And I know there's a lot of feds at that conference, but, like, somehow,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2714">45:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2714" data-t="2714">they never came after me. I I had a decoy dog.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2718" data-t="2718">Like, that's that's the thing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2720" data-t="2720">a lot of people don't realize is, like, when there's fence around you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2724" data-t="2724">as long as you have a dog,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2726" data-t="2726">the dog kinda is the decoy to give you a few seconds to escape because they're they're always gonna try and shoot the dog first. That's the point. Had like a yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2736" data-t="2736">Like, I don't I don't believe in harming animals, so I would never put, like, a real dog in that situation. But I had a mechanical dog.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2744">45:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2744" data-t="2744">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2745" data-t="2745">I I somehow left unscathed,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2747" data-t="2747">but maybe I I'll step it up this year and add some Xanax on top of the cigarettes.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2753">45:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2753" data-t="2753">Would be I think I think that's just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2755" data-t="2755">no no no right away that dogs are, they're not big on compliance,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2760" data-t="2760">certain dogs. Panic dogs, they have to worry about anyways. They're not big on compliance. So I think that they just,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2766" data-t="2766">they see something that doesn't comply, boom, they shoot. It's probably why it's such a safe time to be at a big point conference. Where you apply, it was like you're ready to get show up.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2777">46:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2777" data-t="2777">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2778" data-t="2778">Yeah. I mean, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2780" data-t="2780">if if I got shot for doing something like that, it would be my fault, you know, because, like, how dare somebody go</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2786" data-t="2786">sell</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2787" data-t="2787">things on the free market? But it's like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2791" data-t="2791">we we need we need rules.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2793">46:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2793" data-t="2793">We need protections</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2795" data-t="2795">for industry. We don't want people cutting into</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2798" data-t="2798">Big Tobacco's</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2802">46:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2802" data-t="2802">profits. I don't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2805" data-t="2805">Yeah. If you want feed them, go to Somalia.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2808">46:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2808" data-t="2808">Oh, I heard Eric Voorhees is doing some crazy shit out there.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2812">46:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2812" data-t="2812">I got an article I'm working on about that. Stay tuned. Stay tuned for that.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2818">46:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2818" data-t="2818">The last article I I wanna highlight is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2821" data-t="2821">Calvin Air Gives Up Trying to Fuck with Bitcoin Today After Learning Gets 15 Years Old.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2827" data-t="2827">And this was, submitted by Mitchell Hamilton,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2831" data-t="2831">which was a great piece.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2835" data-t="2835">And that one took off. I I guess I guess the people really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2838" data-t="2838">appreciated Calvin Air,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2840">47:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2840" data-t="2840">not wanting to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2842" data-t="2842">interact with Bitcoin anymore.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2844">47:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2844" data-t="2844">Yeah. I just got done watching the new HBO,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2847" data-t="2847">documentary about,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2848" data-t="2848">abuse,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2850" data-t="2850">and some of the predators and Nickelodeon</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2852" data-t="2852">in the the child star TV era of the nineties and February.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2857" data-t="2857">It It just makes me think that Calvinator is kinda like the,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2860">47:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2860" data-t="2860">the child predator</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2861" data-t="2861">of Bitcoin. You know, it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2863" data-t="2863">a big load, you know, to run this guy kind of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2866" data-t="2866">thank God, it's like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2868" data-t="2868">it's aged out of being in his purview of, of, to pray to pray upon.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2876">47:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2876" data-t="2876">Yeah. I mean, that's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2878" data-t="2878">I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2879" data-t="2879">wonder I wonder if there's any examples of this happening in history where,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2883" data-t="2883">like, a certain technology</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2886" data-t="2886">gets too old and then people lose interest in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2889" data-t="2889">it.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2890">48:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2890" data-t="2890">Right. And some people worry that that's gonna happen with Bitcoin. Right? And they go on with their shit coins and all the the crypto because it's, it's newer and it's younger. It's almost like Leonardo DiCaprio. At least he's dumping the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2900" data-t="2900">the old broad and he's going on to something better. It's going to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2905" data-t="2905">be dumping a woman after she hit a certain age and just continuously</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2909" data-t="2909">dating</span> <span class="cue" data-t="2909">younger and younger women for longer periods of time. That is obviously much more enriching</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2915" data-t="2915">than stable relationship</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2917">48:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2917" data-t="2917">with a wife,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2919" data-t="2919">in marriage,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2920" data-t="2920">similar to Bitcoin. Like, if it's going to get a little boring, you're going to get much more value. It's going to be much more life enriching to get it by an ordinal or a so out of meme coin.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2931">48:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2931" data-t="2931">Agreed.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2933">48:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2933" data-t="2933">And and Calvin understands that. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2936" data-t="2936">who knows what he's on to next?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2939">48:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2939" data-t="2939">Oh, I bet he's got I've got I bet he's got some interesting stuff planned.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2944" data-t="2944">Probably has to do with,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2946" data-t="2946">you know, some very young women somewhere.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2949">49:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2949" data-t="2949">Oh, he'll be back and the drama will be Calvin Iyer, like, what it is is in his quote. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2955" data-t="2955">He likes those he likes those projects because he gets older and they stay the same age.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2962">49:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2962" data-t="2962">Yeah. That's a good one.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2965" data-t="2965">So you and I need to debate on something,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2968" data-t="2968">it sounds like.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2969" data-t="2969">Okay.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2974" data-t="2974">What's the debate?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2976" data-t="2976">Why why are the ETFs</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2979">49:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2979" data-t="2979">better than ordinals?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2981">49:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2981" data-t="2981">Or like Yeah, yeah. I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2984" data-t="2984">if you look,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2985" data-t="2985">it is my position. If you look at the volatility</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2988" data-t="2988">of transaction prices, you look at the volatility</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2991" data-t="2991">of the value in some of these BRC20s,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2994" data-t="2994">and some of</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2995">49:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2995" data-t="2995">these meme coins and these NFTs</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3000" data-t="3000">on the ordinals</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3001" data-t="3001">who are at vote network, which doesn't really exist.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3003" data-t="3003">You see that volatility, you realize, wow, that's dangerous.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3007" data-t="3007">I could lose all my money. It's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3009" data-t="3009">speculative.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3011">50:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3011" data-t="3011">It's chaos. And then you look at the altruism. What's the altruism? If you could mint something yourself and you could inscribe something yourself on chain and you could have full custody of that, you could be completely self sovereign. But you're exposing yourself to all of this risk when you could</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3026" data-t="3026">just trust the government. You could just realize that a hundred years ago, they wrote the 1933</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3032" data-t="3032">Securities Act. You could buy Bitcoin through</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3035" data-t="3035">a vehicle like MicroStrategy. You could buy ETF.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3038" data-t="3038">And now, you have the ability</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3041" data-t="3041">to trust this third party,</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3043">50:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3043" data-t="3043">which we call the state, right? And you can trust them</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3046" data-t="3046">to make sure that your value is preserved, that you're not losing out</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3052" data-t="3052">on this best money to ever exist by trying to deal with these crazy new technologies directly on chain, which is it's just not the way to go. And that would just be and not everybody hears that opinion. I think the results speak for themselves.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3068">51:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3068" data-t="3068">Yeah. I mean, I get that perspective. But I I personally think ordinals are significantly better than the ETFs.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3075" data-t="3075">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3076" data-t="3076">the reason why is because the only way to get Bitcoin development to happen is to break Bitcoin with spam.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3083" data-t="3083">Right.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3085">51:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3085" data-t="3085">That that that is another way of looking at it. I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3089" data-t="3089">people see these crazy spike in fees. They see nodes not being able to be run. It's like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3094" data-t="3094">I could build</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3095" data-t="3095">a new product, a node. I could handle all this extra spam</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3101" data-t="3101">and I could sell it to people. I could sell it to big players and they would now,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3105" data-t="3105">better technology. It's</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3106">51:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3106" data-t="3106">maybe the nodes are economical.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3108" data-t="3108">Maybe the nodes are going to spark</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3111" data-t="3111">new development,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3112" data-t="3112">bringing new VCs, new investors</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3115" data-t="3115">by,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3116" data-t="3116">making more money themselves</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3118">51:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3118" data-t="3118">by causing this spike in in spam.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3122">52:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3122" data-t="3122">Yeah. I mean, we we need to suck in all the VCs from Solana</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3126" data-t="3126">onto Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3128" data-t="3128">to spam the network</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3130" data-t="3130">in order for some people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3132" data-t="3132">to get their shit together over at Bitcoin Core and actually</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3137" data-t="3137">create some updates to the network.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3140">52:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3140" data-t="3140">It does seem like for Bitcoin to fail. It does seem like Core has just gotten</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3145" data-t="3145">the same separate from the same institutional wrath we see in the government, we see in Wall Street. It feels like the guys on Bitcoin, they got rich and they don't really care. They don't care about them. They don't care that people can't afford UTXOs.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3160" data-t="3160">They're the only ones who know how to fix it. Nobody else could come up with a solution unless unless they were a part of Bitcoin for in the early days, whether it's Loop, whether</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3170" data-t="3170">it's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3172" data-t="3172">Peter, we'll you know, these guys</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3175" data-t="3175">in the legends, ADOGs.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3177">52:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3177" data-t="3177">They just don't seem to hear about Bitcoin. They're too busy signing their balls in The Caribbean.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3182" data-t="3182">So who's gonna do it, if not them?</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3186">53:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3186" data-t="3186">Yeah. I mean, the Bitcoin core developers are getting big fat</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3191" data-t="3191">donations from</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3193" data-t="3193">organizations like HRF.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3195" data-t="3195">And now,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3196" data-t="3196">you know, these other ETF</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3198" data-t="3198">issuers</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3199">53:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3199" data-t="3199">are funding the core devs.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3201" data-t="3201">And, like, they're they're just being greedy, taking all the money and not spreading it around because there's there's important people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3208" data-t="3208">like us,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3209" data-t="3209">like journalists that could use some funding</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3212" data-t="3212">Right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3213" data-t="3213">That aren't getting the funding because the core devs are hogging and all.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3218">53:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3218" data-t="3218">Yeah. And it's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3220" data-t="3220">maybe maybe these fix the filters guys. Maybe they can help help fix the fix the problem. I don't know.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3227">53:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3227" data-t="3227">Well, I mean, I I think the, like, easy solution to, like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3231" data-t="3231">funding problems</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3233" data-t="3233">is to go to Tether because they'll Tether gives just about anybody unlimited cigarette money.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3239">53:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3239" data-t="3239">Astro. They're I think Tether's really popular in Venezuela. And what do people in Venezuela love? Smoking cigarettes.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3247">54:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3247" data-t="3247">Yeah. What you'll you'll know when we've taken the tether money and we have unlimited cigarettes,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3254" data-t="3254">what we have it on our website.</span></span></p> + +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3257">54:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3257" data-t="3257">Yeah. It'll be like, the Chappelle show. The guy pulls up and he got reparations,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3262" data-t="3262">took that money. He's like, I just bought a carton or a truck, a carton's in Newport. So I'm rich, it should be my family and sue rent for the rest of our life. That's really kind of why we do this, to be able to have a moment like that.</span></span></p> +