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   +title: "Transcript: Moody's Says \"Nothing Stops This Train\" | Bugle Weekly Episode 60"
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2">0:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2" data-t="2">There will be days when you wake up with a feeling of dread.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-8" data-t="8">A feeling that the fight you've been fighting is not worth continuing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-15" data-t="15">I know this feeling.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-18" data-t="18">You feel alone,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-20" data-t="20">isolated and tired.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-24" data-t="24">An ember trying to stay lit, propagating signal in an ocean of influencers who use open mouth thumbnails on YouTube.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-34">0:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-34" data-t="34">The forces of PodCon for daunting,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-37" data-t="37">they all repeat the same narratives and will turn on you in a moment if you do not comply with their endless purity tests.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-46" data-t="46">But random acts of noncompliance are occurring constantly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-50" data-t="50">There are whole armies of disaffected individuals that are choosing to use their brains.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-57" data-t="57">You may not know they exist, but they are out there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-61" data-t="61">They are waking up.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-64">1:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-64" data-t="64">Even the smallest act of noncompliance</span> <span class="cue" id="t-66" data-t="66">undermines those who seek to control</span> <span class="cue" id="t-70" data-t="70">Every non KYC cigarette transaction, every</span> <span class="cue" id="t-74" data-t="74">value for value lightning transaction,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-77" data-t="77">every decision</span> <span class="cue" id="t-79" data-t="79">to do what's in your own best interest pushes the needle.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-84">1:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-84" data-t="84">Remember this,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-86" data-t="86">the need to dominate and control others is desperate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-89" data-t="89">and is unnatural.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-92" data-t="92">Keeping people brainwashed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-93" data-t="93">takes constant effort.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-95" data-t="95">It eventually breaks and falls apart because their status is brutal.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-101">1:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-101" data-t="101">Oppression of the human mind is not an act of strength,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-104" data-t="104">but a weakness and insecurity.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-107" data-t="107">Remember and know this,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-110" data-t="110">you may have felt like you've been screaming into the void, posting the dankest memes only to have big accounts steal them and get massive engagement.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-120" data-t="120">You may not be getting the recognition you deserve,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-124" data-t="124">but the revolution isn't about engagement.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-127">2:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-127" data-t="127">It is about being unique,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-129" data-t="129">being original,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-130" data-t="130">being the individual that seeks to provide value instead of siphoning in a way from others.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-136" data-t="136">The revolution is about having self respect.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-140" data-t="140">Spark up a cigarette.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-141" data-t="141">Let your fire burn.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-143">2:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-143" data-t="143">Their control is crumbling.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-146" data-t="146">Only you own your mind.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-148" data-t="148">Stand tall</span> <span class="cue" id="t-150" data-t="150">because your time has come.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-153" data-t="153">I will see you on the intellectual silk road.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-161">2:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-161" data-t="161">Welcome back to Bugle Weekly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-164" data-t="164">Summertime,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-166" data-t="166">as many of you may know, Friday,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-170" data-t="170">May 16,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-171" data-t="171">Moody's credit agency</span> <span class="cue" id="t-173" data-t="173">downgraded</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-174">2:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-174" data-t="174">United States credit rating from AAA</span> <span class="cue" id="t-177" data-t="177">to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-178" data-t="178">a a one,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-181" data-t="181">marking the third and final</span> <span class="cue" id="t-184" data-t="184">domino to fall</span> <span class="cue" id="t-185" data-t="185">in the</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-187">3:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-187" data-t="187">the three horse no. The credit agencies.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-190" data-t="190">The first one, of course, S and P downgraded The United States from triple a to double a plus in 2011.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-197" data-t="197">And then Fitch</span> <span class="cue" id="t-199" data-t="199">downgraded</span> <span class="cue" id="t-200" data-t="200">The United States credit rating in August</span> <span class="cue" id="t-203" data-t="203">2023.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-205">3:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-205" data-t="205">They also lowered it from double a plus from triple a.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-210" data-t="210">Yeah. So Friday was Moody's, and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-213" data-t="213">the reason that you know, the the other credit agencies, they cited the rising debt,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-217" data-t="217">unsustainable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-219" data-t="219">fiscal policy, but Moody's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-221" data-t="221">cited,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-221">3:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" data-t="221">something different. Moody cited</span> <span class="cue" id="t-225" data-t="225">nothing stops this train by Lynn Alden in her thesis for the fact that, you know, nothing stops this liquidity</span> <span class="cue" id="t-232" data-t="232">train,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-233" data-t="233">something that she has made famous</span> <span class="cue" id="t-236" data-t="236">And this is why the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-237" data-t="237">the Trump administration,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-239">3:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-239" data-t="239">the White House, is now scrambling</span> <span class="cue" id="t-241" data-t="241">to ban</span> <span class="cue" id="t-242" data-t="242">the credit agencies</span> <span class="cue" id="t-244" data-t="244">from listening to Lynn Alden Podcasts or following her tweets, Richard.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-249" data-t="249">This is a big, this is a big moment in USDT in the dollars,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-253" data-t="253">you know,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-254">4:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-254" data-t="254">fall from</span> <span class="cue" id="t-256" data-t="256">the reserve currency</span> <span class="cue" id="t-257" data-t="257">to realizing that Bitcoin has already won.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-260" data-t="260">Where, how are you thinking about what this means</span> <span class="cue" id="t-265" data-t="265">to the economy?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-266">4:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-266" data-t="266">This is a huge moment.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-268" data-t="268">I know the Trump administration is pretty upset about this. They're taking a little bit personally.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-274" data-t="274">Trump considers himself an expert</span> <span class="cue" id="t-277" data-t="277">when dealing with debt.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-279" data-t="279">That's how he's become very successful as he's leveraged debt. He knows how to leverage debt. And so</span> <span class="cue" id="t-285" data-t="285">I think he's kind of taken it to an affront. And I've been</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-289">4:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-289" data-t="289">hearing murmurs that he is considering banning these credit agencies, essentially</span> <span class="cue" id="t-294" data-t="294">pulling all the federal funding for them if they listen to Lynn Alden interviews.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-301" data-t="301">Interesting enough,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-303" data-t="303">the Bitcoin conference</span> <span class="cue" id="t-305" data-t="305">decided for the first time ever</span> <span class="cue" id="t-307" data-t="307">to give Lynn</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-309">5:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-309" data-t="309">this is actually kind of astounding that she didn't have this opportunity before. But for the first time ever, she's getting a keynote</span> <span class="cue" id="t-316" data-t="316">speech</span> <span class="cue" id="t-317" data-t="317">on the main stage. I think they relegated her to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-322" data-t="322">panel positions</span> <span class="cue" id="t-324" data-t="324">prior to this.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-325">5:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-325" data-t="325">Yeah. They forced her to they forced her to share the stage with Shinobi,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-329" data-t="329">and she has finally gotten the main stage. Which,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-333">5:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-333" data-t="333">you know, Maggie did a very interesting article last week</span> <span class="cue" id="t-337" data-t="337">about Bitcoin Magazine's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-339" data-t="339">quote, unquote, women problem. There's a deep dive looking at the fall in percentage of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-345" data-t="345">women speakers.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-348" data-t="348">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-350" data-t="350">I'd like to take credit for the reason that Lynn</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-353">5:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-353" data-t="353">is speaking in the keynote</span> <span class="cue" id="t-355" data-t="355">stage. I think also at the Bugle, we have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-360" data-t="360">pointed out to the world</span> <span class="cue" id="t-361" data-t="361">the objective reality that Lyn Alden is hot. Her her brand, her her</span> <span class="cue" id="t-367" data-t="367">relevancy is only continuing to grow as people are are coming to this realization that she is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-373" data-t="373">peak standard for women,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-375">6:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-375" data-t="375">beauty standards. And I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-378" data-t="378">the meme overpowered Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-380" data-t="380">magazine's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-384" data-t="384">alleged</span> <span class="cue" id="t-385" data-t="385">anti women speaker</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-387">6:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-387" data-t="387">policy. Yeah, this is, this is huge. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-391" data-t="391">like I said, we do wanna take credit, but we don't wanna take credit away from Lin Alden. Lin Alden has earned this,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-400" data-t="400">or, you know, earned this speech, earned this, privilege.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-404" data-t="404">She's putting the proof of work</span> <span class="cue" id="t-407" data-t="407">and yeah, it's it's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-409" data-t="409">but we do want to just, just kind of say like,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-413">6:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-413" data-t="413">you know, it's been great to achieve this together, Lin Alden and the Bugle I think this is a really big win for both of us</span> <span class="cue" id="t-421" data-t="421">Probably a bigger win for the Bugle but it's, you know, it's relative speaking</span> <span class="cue" id="t-426" data-t="426">so that's huge and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-429" data-t="429">what the, the, the Trump administration</span> <span class="cue" id="t-431" data-t="431">is earning some</span> <span class="cue" id="t-433" data-t="433">pushback,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-434">7:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-434" data-t="434">and taking some criticism for,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-437" data-t="437">word got out that they have subpoenaed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-439" data-t="439">the X platform done by Elon Musk and they wanted to have data on anyone who might be working at the credit agencies,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-448" data-t="448">might not be a US citizen, who is liking</span> <span class="cue" id="t-452" data-t="452">Nothing Stops Us Train videos</span> <span class="cue" id="t-454" data-t="454">and Nothing Stops Us Train tweets on Twitter, on YouTube.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-458">7:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-458" data-t="458">And they they wanted to target and intimidate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-461" data-t="461">potentially send, ICE,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-464" data-t="464">with some Solana token snitches,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-468" data-t="468">or at least remove federal funding</span> <span class="cue" id="t-471" data-t="471">from these credit if the federal government's going to pay a credit agency</span> <span class="cue" id="t-476" data-t="476">to rate them,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-478">7:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-478" data-t="478">they should get AAA ratings. If they're paying for a service and the in that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-483" data-t="483">that agent</span> <span class="cue" id="t-484" data-t="484">ratings agency is letting their employees listen to live all day and say that nothing stops the strain and get that, that get in the way of doing their job of giving the, The US a AAA rating. They shouldn't get federal funding for that. And I think it's, I think it is, fair to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-500" data-t="500">withhold that. Totally.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-502">8:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-502" data-t="502">Yeah. You don't you don't bite the hand that feeds you. And I just wanna clarify. When I say the bugle takes credit for it,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-510" data-t="510">we didn't lift Lynn</span> <span class="cue" id="t-512" data-t="512">above where she was.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-515" data-t="515">All we did is we just objectively reported the news on her when many other platforms weren't.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-521" data-t="521">There are very few platforms that were brave enough to stand up</span> <span class="cue" id="t-525" data-t="525">in a sea of orange cells</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-527">8:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-527" data-t="527">that are angry and they're they're jealous that a woman is smarter than them</span> <span class="cue" id="t-531" data-t="531">and say Lynn Alden is hot. But we did.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-535" data-t="535">We were one we were the only news agency that was willing to report that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-540" data-t="540">objective reality. And I this is a growing trend I see over and over again, you know, where Podkoff</span> <span class="cue" id="t-547" data-t="547">controls these narratives. People are afraid to stand up and just state the obvious.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-552" data-t="552">They're afraid to state the obvious. They just they're they're too sad on repeating what everybody else is talking about.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-559">9:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-559" data-t="559">They're too afraid of rocking the boat. They're too afraid of losing their sponsors.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-565" data-t="565">And this is the importance of of credentials. This is the importance of integrity. This is the importance of journalists that smoke cigarettes. If you wanna see a bright future where Lynn Alden has</span> <span class="cue" id="t-578" data-t="578">it is it's bigger than Lynn Alden. But yeah. Anyways, it it is very interesting. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-583" data-t="583">the Trump administration's upset.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-586" data-t="586">They are, I'm curious to see I don't think they're gonna torpedo Orange label to see who bought a Lynn Alden's hot t shirt.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-594" data-t="594">But if you wanna buy a Lynn Alden</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-596">9:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-596" data-t="596">is hot t shirt,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-598" data-t="598">there's probably not a good idea if you work for Moody's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-601" data-t="601">but go over to omensglobal.co.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-603">10:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-603" data-t="603">Those are pretty cool. Don't don't wear a Lin Alden is hot,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-607" data-t="607">t shirt to the Fitch</span> <span class="cue" id="t-609" data-t="609">summer cookout on July 4 where everybody brings their family. They, they have some corporate us government sponsored fireworks.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-618" data-t="618">Yeah, don't, I wouldn't wear it there, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-621" data-t="621">I guess it's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-623" data-t="623">I guess the real question and</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-625">10:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-625" data-t="625">I'm curious what you think is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-628" data-t="628">they've they're trying to ban,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-630" data-t="630">that content in the creative agencies</span> <span class="cue" id="t-632" data-t="632">but is it too late? I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-634" data-t="634">but nothing stops this train</span> <span class="cue" id="t-637" data-t="637">meme,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-638">10:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-638" data-t="638">is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-639" data-t="639">it's it's spread throughout the culture. There's no way of getting around it anymore. It's it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-644" data-t="644">you would you would have to actively</span> <span class="cue" id="t-646" data-t="646">pretend,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-648" data-t="648">you'd have to lie at work and say you didn't, you know,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-652">10:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-652" data-t="652">you didn't hear it. It's Lindy. When Alden is is hard is Lindy.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-657">10:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-657" data-t="657">It's going mainstream, folks. But what about, I mean, what about nothing stops his train?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-662" data-t="662">Because that's what the real that's what the real battle is over, is nothing stops his train meme. Well, I kinda see them Is it two way? I</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-669">11:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-669" data-t="669">see them as one and the same,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-671" data-t="671">you know, because when when somebody says, Lin Alden's hot, they're essentially saying,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-676" data-t="676">Nothing stops his train. When somebody says, Nothing stops his train, they're essentially saying, Lin Alden's hot. That's true. So it's it's you it is un it is censorship resistant signal</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-687">11:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-687" data-t="687">about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-688" data-t="688">the future of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-691" data-t="691">the debt you know the credit US credit status and if nothing stops this train, that means that, you know, the, this current status could go from gradually to suddenly and then retarded.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-700" data-t="700">Like it could, it can happen any moment.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-703" data-t="703">And it's just going to lead to a lot of volatility. We're already seeing a lot of volatility</span> <span class="cue" id="t-707" data-t="707">in markets. We're seeing a lot of volatility</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-710">11:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-710" data-t="710">in the culture</span> <span class="cue" id="t-712" data-t="712">and another</span> <span class="cue" id="t-714" data-t="714">rupture, another, you know, manifestation of that has popped up again this week</span> <span class="cue" id="t-719" data-t="719">in the sats versus bits to date. It looks like Jack Dorsey is leading the charge,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-725" data-t="725">to change sats to bits.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-728" data-t="728">And they they think that,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-730">12:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-730" data-t="730">well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-731" data-t="731">what do you think they think? Because I have my opinion and I, you know, I I have my rant about this, but you have a more practical,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-740" data-t="740">tactical explanation for this. So what you know, what's your take on this debate?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-745">12:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-745" data-t="745">I I think anytime that you're trying to change Bitcoin from the premise that people are too retarded to understand it,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-751" data-t="751">it's a stupid argument.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-754" data-t="754">Because the expectation shouldn't be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-756" data-t="756">to water things down</span> <span class="cue" id="t-759" data-t="759">for what retarded people. The the expectation should be for them to not be retarded</span> <span class="cue" id="t-764" data-t="764">at the end of the day. And so the argument around changing SaaS to biz</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-769">12:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-769" data-t="769">is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-770" data-t="770">that these boomers that don't know how to use their iPhones like, when BPIs go in to talk to when they're going to comment ping pong to talk to these politicians and orange pill them,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-780" data-t="780">they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-781" data-t="781">don't get it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-783" data-t="783">because it's sad Sass instead of bits.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-786" data-t="786">And and Dorsey, you know, having spent a lot of time at Comet Ping Pong,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-791">13:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-791" data-t="791">you know, he he has this understanding. And so he's trying to he's trying to change the language. But the the problem is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-798" data-t="798">you know, many many of us have been orange pilling boomers for a while. And we've gotten these boomers to understand SaaS. They</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-806">13:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-806" data-t="806">we don't wanna reex And it wasn't easy. It's this wasn't easy. It's not like it just came naturally. We had to explain that SATs met Satoshis,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-815" data-t="815">and it was, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-818" data-t="818">a 100,000,000 to one, so it's a little bit more difficult</span> <span class="cue" id="t-822" data-t="822">to keep up with. It's not just as natural. It was, it took a lot of work, a lot of free sats from, Hey, check out this new lighting wallet that I heard about on the Bitcoin podcast. If you're you, you can send me sats. It took a lot of us and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-837" data-t="837">we, yes, we just got over</span> <span class="cue" id="t-840" data-t="840">winning that battle.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-842">14:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-842" data-t="842">And now we have to go and tell them that it's it's changed again.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-846" data-t="846">This is they don't like change. They want a more they don't want so much volatility in the nomenclature.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-851" data-t="851">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-852" data-t="852">It's</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-854">14:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-854" data-t="854">yeah. I mean, we we had to like, boomers,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-857" data-t="857">they don't understand numbers as big.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-860" data-t="860">They don't understand</span> <span class="cue" id="t-862" data-t="862">like, a 100,000,000</span> <span class="cue" id="t-863" data-t="863">is is hard for them to wrap their mind around. This is why</span> <span class="cue" id="t-868" data-t="868">the national debt</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-870">14:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-870" data-t="870">doesn't seem problematic to them. It because it's just such an enormous number that it just doesn't even register in their brain.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-877" data-t="877">Once you once you start talking about trillions, they they can't because they're they were buying</span> <span class="cue" id="t-882" data-t="882">candy bars when they were kids</span> <span class="cue" id="t-885" data-t="885">for, like, 10¢.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-886" data-t="886">You know what I mean? They they think it's small numbers.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-891" data-t="891">They think smallly. They have small brains. They didn't they didn't their brains didn't develop</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-896">14:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-896" data-t="896">as a result of looking at dank memes on the Internet</span> <span class="cue" id="t-900" data-t="900">growing up.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-902">15:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-902" data-t="902">They have blood in their water.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-904" data-t="904">They had fluoride in their water.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-906" data-t="906">They had very little entropy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-909" data-t="909">in their digital, like television,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-912" data-t="912">radio.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-913" data-t="913">It was very, very much an echo chamber.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-916">15:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-916" data-t="916">It was very much limited option for perspective.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-920" data-t="920">It was not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-922" data-t="922">it was not the abundance culture, which we have today. Big data,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-926" data-t="926">AI, all this compute, all this data, all these large language models, all these big numbers. We are thinking about those every day. We're thinking that's why we are, we are, we're excelling in this environment, boomers are not. Boomers need the most simple possible memes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-943" data-t="943">and they need consistency and they need to depend on, like, if they're gonna spend their scarce mental resources to learn</span> <span class="cue" id="t-950" data-t="950">a new facet of the protocol that it's gonna, it's not gonna change that they're gonna be able to depend on that. And</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-958">15:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-958" data-t="958">the thing about my take on it is this is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-961" data-t="961">especially when you've listened to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-964" data-t="964">the justification of why,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-966" data-t="966">they want to make these changes, they talk about unit bias, they talk about just a more it's easier for the normie to grok.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-974" data-t="974">It sounds morph.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-976" data-t="976">They're trying to take shortcuts,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-979">16:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-979" data-t="979">in how they orange build people. They think that if they change from sats to bits that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-983" data-t="983">people will just get it when they try to orange build them, then they won't have to listen to 40 per week of Bitcoin podcasts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-990" data-t="990">But unfortunately, I mean, they keep trying to change this and they do. They have layers. They have IBIT, they have FBTC,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-997" data-t="997">GBTC,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1000" data-t="1000">NSTR,</span> <span class="cue" data-t="1000">all of these</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1003">16:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1003" data-t="1003">tickers that try to simplify it for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1005" data-t="1005">a boomer or an institution or a nation state. It's like, here, you buy this ETF IBIT</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1012" data-t="1012">instead of, buy Saks.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1014" data-t="1014">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1016" data-t="1016">what we learn time and time again is none of those replace</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1020" data-t="1020">or are a good substitute for forty hours per week. You don't get more adoption</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1025">17:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1025" data-t="1025">without more Bitcoin podcasts or Bitcoin podcasters and more hours of Bitcoin podcasts listened to. You cannot simplify this protocol and user experience anymore</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1035" data-t="1035">or at least at the speed that you need for global adoption</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1039" data-t="1039">because the people who</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1041" data-t="1041">the people who are able to be persuaded by this, they've already been onboarded.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1046" data-t="1046">They've been onboarded despite the user experience. So you're just trying to take shortcuts and what you're not thinking about is the downstream trade offs. It's like Taproot. We didn't think about the consequences changing SaaS to bits. It's not going to be a net positive,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1061" data-t="1061">but it could actually be a net negative, and it might lead to our boomer parents.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1066">17:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1066" data-t="1066">Well, it's a tactical error</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1068" data-t="1068">because the the strategy shouldn't be to orange pill the boomers. It should be to orange pill their kids.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1074" data-t="1074">So when when you think of the average boomer, they get the new iPhone, they don't know how to use it. What do they do? They ask their kid or their grandkid how to teach it them how to use it. Right? It's the same thing with Bitcoin. You have to teach the kid their kids and their grandkids how to teach them, or or at least do it for them.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1091" data-t="1091">It's it's happening whether like, Bitcoin's already won.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1095" data-t="1095">They're gonna get orange pilled. They're not gonna have a choice.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1098" data-t="1098">You don't you don't have to</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1101">18:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1101" data-t="1101">to tailor the the experience for them just because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1105" data-t="1105">I mean, you look at you look at Gen X. So, like, Gen x is the generate they're kinda retarded too, but they're significantly less retarded than the boomers. And the reason why is they actually know how to use their iPhones.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1118" data-t="1118">And so if they have a question,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1120" data-t="1120">they're fully capable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1122" data-t="1122">of going and asking chat g p t. And we we saw this. We saw this where, you know, the boomers,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1129" data-t="1129">they were getting displaced</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1130">18:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1130" data-t="1130">by the younger generations of jobs because people didn't wanna hire them because they didn't know how to use their computers.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1137" data-t="1137">And that's the that's the big difference. It's it's whether you know how to use Google and ChatGPT.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1143">19:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1143" data-t="1143">Right. I feel like it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1145" data-t="1145">it is about culture. If you know anything about Gen X,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1149" data-t="1149">they all</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1151" data-t="1151">just love the same band,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1153" data-t="1153">Tool,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1154" data-t="1154">with me or James Keenan. And Tool is,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1158">19:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1158" data-t="1158">essentially</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1159" data-t="1159">is it was a a rock band that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1162" data-t="1162">was about,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1163" data-t="1163">like math equations</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1165" data-t="1165">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1166" data-t="1166">geometry</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1167">19:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1167" data-t="1167">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1169" data-t="1169">cryptography</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1170" data-t="1170">and like all those like little squiggly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1173" data-t="1173">symbols on like the computer, like the calculators you had in high school or in college is like, that was like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1179" data-t="1179">it it helps them think about think about things in an abstract</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1184" data-t="1184">sense with bigger numbers, and that's why they're able to grok</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1187">19:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1187" data-t="1187">SATS is why they're able to think about we have to solve this problem with national debt. It's why people like fundamentals</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1194" data-t="1194">are so good</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1196" data-t="1196">with risk and math equations, doing math homework. It's because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1200" data-t="1200">their favorite band growing up was Tool</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1203" data-t="1203">and the millennials, they they grew with me. We grew up with social media. We grew up with all this. It's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1209" data-t="1209">the way to onboard.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1210">20:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1210" data-t="1210">It's I don't care what you, like you said, it's going to happen whether people like it or not. I think my, my point is that for people to really get it as little as in forty hours per week, it's not about changing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1220" data-t="1220">the unit of account just so it it make</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1223">20:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1223" data-t="1223">make sense more naturally when you see it on the screen. If anybody could speak to this issue, it's me. Because I don't know how to use my computer or iPhone either.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1232" data-t="1232">But I have a wife that does. I I'm resourceful enough to have figured out a workaround</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1238" data-t="1238">for like, I still do everything on a typewriter. And I and I write things on on paper with a pencil. And I know how to write cursive.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1246" data-t="1246">The boomers should be able to figure this out. They just outsource those skill sets to people that know how to do it. They have kids and grandkids, or they should. Like, it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1255" data-t="1255">it's as simple as that. I I don't think we have to move</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1258" data-t="1258">the needle</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1261">21:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1261" data-t="1261">or move the goal post just because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1263" data-t="1263">boomers are retarded? I think this is a really stupid idea for Jack Dorsey.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1269" data-t="1269">And Jack Dorsey hates journalism.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1272" data-t="1272">He hates free speech.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1274" data-t="1274">Why why would you why would you even consider his opinion?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1279" data-t="1279">You know, there there's all these people out there</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1281">21:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1281" data-t="1281">trying to get people, like, going at after Trace Mayer, like mister Hoddle. Mister Hoddle's going after Trace Mayer talking about mimble wimblecoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1290" data-t="1290">He wants him to go and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1293" data-t="1293">you know, pay his penance for being a shitcoiner in the past. People do this to Max Keiser all the time. I'm pretty sure almost everybody</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1300" data-t="1300">shitcoined at some point. Dorsey</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1303" data-t="1303">not. Dorsey has done something significantly worse than shitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1308" data-t="1308">He did something significantly worse than shitcoining,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1311">21:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1311" data-t="1311">and he</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1312" data-t="1312">by attacking the institution of journalism,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1316" data-t="1316">He essentially gave the CIA</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1318" data-t="1318">a free right</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1319" data-t="1319">to control speech</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1321" data-t="1321">for a period of years</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1323">22:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1323" data-t="1323">on the most important</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1325" data-t="1325">important</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1326" data-t="1326">speech platform</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1328" data-t="1328">in Twitter.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1329" data-t="1329">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1330" data-t="1330">which is the platform of the journalist at the end of the day. That's what Twitter is.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1335">22:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1335" data-t="1335">And he has an answer for it. So why should we listen to him</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1340" data-t="1340">on this debate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1341" data-t="1341">around SaaS versus BIDS</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1343" data-t="1343">where he wants us to make things easier on the boomers.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1347">22:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1347" data-t="1347">Right. Yeah. Not only has he not apologized or not answered for it, he hasn't gone</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1354" data-t="1354">Bitcoin podcast to Bitcoin podcast to explain himself</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1359" data-t="1359">to the community, to the industry.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1361" data-t="1361">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1363" data-t="1363">I don't know if,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1364" data-t="1364">if you will, there's a lot of people who, depending on when you came through and got orange pills</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1371">22:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1371" data-t="1371">that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1373" data-t="1373">were very impacted,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1375" data-t="1375">and influenced</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1376" data-t="1376">their positive way</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1378" data-t="1378">by Trace Mayer,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1379" data-t="1379">you know, from like 2013</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1382">23:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1382" data-t="1382">to 2018</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1383" data-t="1383">or so. A lot of people,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1385" data-t="1385">he orange filled a lot of people and, he, he had a very,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1390" data-t="1390">his mayor multiple. I mean, he was one of the most simple</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1393" data-t="1393">little meme calculations,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1395" data-t="1395">like, you know, like power law or stock to flow about</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1399">23:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1399" data-t="1399">when it it was, you know, a macro gentleman's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1402" data-t="1402">signal that it was time to buy the tip.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1405" data-t="1405">Yeah. The the this memo wimble thing comes up, and now everybody</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1410" data-t="1410">who used to talk about them so, you know, positively,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1413" data-t="1413">and it totally rejects him because PodComp,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1416" data-t="1416">people who fund PodComp,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1418">23:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1418" data-t="1418">do not do not approve. People like Jack Dorsey. But Jack Dorsey never works to build anybody.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1423" data-t="1423">All he does is come in and use his money</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1427" data-t="1427">to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1429" data-t="1429">impact his influence without giving anything back or without even explaining</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1432">23:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1432" data-t="1432">why he's here. Yeah. He has some answering to do. He needs to go on an apology tour to say the least. Well, you know, to take the devil's advocate side, I had there are people who believe</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1443">24:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1443" data-t="1443">that Jack Dorsey was open to going on Bitcoin podcasts and being open to the community, but he was in Costa Rica</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1450" data-t="1450">and a Bitcoin podcaster asked him for an interview and it ended up being Tatum and it was between two Asics.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1456" data-t="1456">And he thought that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1458" data-t="1458">he thought that that was what, what all Bitcoin podcasts were like. He, it kind of scared him away. Tatum basically ruined Jack Dorsey</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1466" data-t="1466">for all other Bitcoin podcasters</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1468" data-t="1468">going forward. So there is that side of the debate, but I don't know if you have a comment on that. That's an interesting theory. I like that. Yeah. Dorsey</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1477">24:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1477" data-t="1477">goes on a podcast,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1479" data-t="1479">talks to the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1480" data-t="1480">Tatum's one of the most autistic interviewers I've ever seen. You ever you watch it?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1485">24:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1485" data-t="1485">He's wearing a bulletproof vest, and he's in khakis.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1490" data-t="1490">He's got a mustache.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1491" data-t="1491">He's kind of an orange cell at the time.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1495" data-t="1495">Then that's the first experience</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1496">24:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1496" data-t="1496">that Dorsey has. It's a bad precedent.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1500" data-t="1500">I think I think one of the things that Dorsey,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1503" data-t="1503">you know, feels obligated to do</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1506" data-t="1506">is to bring a lawyer on every podcast with him.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1510" data-t="1510">I don't know if you've noticed that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1513" data-t="1513">but he did that when he went on Rogan.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1515">25:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1515" data-t="1515">And it it kinda gets expensive and and kinda tedious having to deal with a lawyer on a podcast Do you hear that? Bitcoin or something.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1523">25:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1523" data-t="1523">Do we know if that lawyer was Jewish?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1526">25:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1526" data-t="1526">No, she was Indian.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1528">25:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1528" data-t="1528">Saddam wouldn't throw you off. I think a lot of times you might be expecting a Jewish lawyer and you might think you know how to how to handle them and then you get an Indian lawyer,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1537">25:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1537" data-t="1537">they kind of throws you off. I think it would have been a better interview if he had a Jewish lawyer instead of an Indian one. But, yeah,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1543" data-t="1543">it's it's kinda tedious. I don't think Bitcoiners are really excited about that. You know what I mean?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1551">25:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1551" data-t="1551">Jack Dorsey is not. He is friends</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1553" data-t="1553">with some really important Bitcoin. And he's isn't he close with,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1558" data-t="1558">doctor Jack Cruz?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1560">26:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1560" data-t="1560">That's what John Johnson said.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1563">26:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1563" data-t="1563">Yeah. He called his sensei. I don't remember which which person.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1567" data-t="1567">Did Jack call,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1569" data-t="1569">doctor Crews sensei?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1571">26:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1571" data-t="1571">I bet you it's like a mutual thing. They they call each other sensei.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1575" data-t="1575">They know they're on the same level as each other. Interesting. Well, you know,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1579">26:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1579" data-t="1579">it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1581" data-t="1581">it is what it is. We're not gonna we're not gonna change,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1585" data-t="1585">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1586" data-t="1586">Elon Musk has changed Twitter to X,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1589" data-t="1589">but we still say Twitter,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1592" data-t="1592">still say tweet. So, you know,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1594">26:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1594" data-t="1594">it's at the end of the day, it's not illegal</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1597" data-t="1597">yet</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1598" data-t="1598">to use, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1601" data-t="1601">sats instead of bits. Why?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1604" data-t="1604">We'll have to keep an eye on that. I'm of opinion it's not a big deal.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1607">26:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1607" data-t="1607">I think What is a big deal? Oh, go ahead. I think it's a big deal. I think this is a bigger deal than the opera turns a bit, personally. This one's easier to,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1616">26:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1616" data-t="1616">influence</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1617" data-t="1617">win with influencers.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1619">26:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1619" data-t="1619">This is what communists do.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1622" data-t="1622">They like to change language.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1625" data-t="1625">This is they're always trying to redefine</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1627" data-t="1627">terms. Language matters.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1630" data-t="1630">This is not this is not a trivial matter. Sass or sass is a hill to die on. Fuck Jack Dorsey.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1636">27:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1636" data-t="1636">Language is rooted in tradition</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1640" data-t="1640">and ancestors</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1641" data-t="1641">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1642" data-t="1642">culture.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1644" data-t="1644">If you can sever that tie,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1646" data-t="1646">you</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1647">27:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1647" data-t="1647">can redefine how people think about very fundamental</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1652" data-t="1652">values in their life. How they think about family, how they think about mothers, how they think about fathers,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1659" data-t="1659">how they think about the government, how they think about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1662" data-t="1662">laws,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1663" data-t="1663">how they think about their rights and what how they understand what rights are. It it just completely invalidates</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1670">27:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1670" data-t="1670">age old memes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1672" data-t="1672">So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1673" data-t="1673">you know, what is Matt O'Dell gonna do? Is he gonna go out and ask or impose</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1679" data-t="1679">stay humble stack bits?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1682" data-t="1682">It just doesn't it doesn't ring.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1684">28:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1684" data-t="1684">Do you want Hollywood? Yeah. Do you want Silicon Valley Hollywood</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1689" data-t="1689">venture capitalists</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1690" data-t="1690">telling you that you can't say TikTok next block anymore? Or that you can't say you can't talk about banks being closed on the weekend? Bitcoin doesn't ever close.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1699" data-t="1699">Do you, I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1701" data-t="1701">just because somebody thinks</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1703" data-t="1703">that a meme is stale</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1705">28:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1705" data-t="1705">or it's, you know, past its time, time to retire it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1708" data-t="1708">Who are they to judge? Sometimes it's funny to bring back an old meme when people least expect it. And it's exactly what people need to, you know, jar some sense into their head, but they don't want that. And yeah. You're right.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1720">28:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1720" data-t="1720">Like, what what's he gonna do next? After after he changes, it's a slippery slope. If you let Dorsey start changing the language on things.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1729" data-t="1729">What's he gonna do? Change blocks to squares? The dude still hasn't integrated Bitcoin</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1735">28:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1735" data-t="1735">into anything. He claims to be hacked into the What happened last time? What happened last time we let him police language?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1741">29:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1741" data-t="1741">Yep.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1742" data-t="1742">He's a bad track record on policing language</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1745" data-t="1745">for sure. That's a great point.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1749" data-t="1749">Should not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1750" data-t="1750">his opinion</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1751" data-t="1751">is invalid in the matter.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1754">29:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1754" data-t="1754">Steak and Shake integrated</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1756" data-t="1756">Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1758" data-t="1758">And we don't even know, like, who who is stake Steak and Shake's a Bitcoiner.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1762" data-t="1762">That's been very public about it. That's been,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1765" data-t="1765">you know, funding core devs and wearing Satoshi</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1768" data-t="1768">shirts,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1769">29:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1769" data-t="1769">hanging out with Jay z</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1771" data-t="1771">at the Super Bowl. The dude hasn't done it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1774" data-t="1774">Sure. You can buy Bitcoin and Cash App, but, like, that puts you on the same level of swan, meaning that you have created no innovation whatsoever.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1782">29:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1782" data-t="1782">You do have not earned</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1784" data-t="1784">your</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1786" data-t="1786">authority</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1788" data-t="1788">in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1789" data-t="1789">the industry or in the culture. Whether it's somebody like Jack is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1794" data-t="1794">pushing of it, that I think this is</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1797">29:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1797" data-t="1797">the right way forward. I think this is the best for Bitcoin. I think this is the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1800" data-t="1800">it's good for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1802" data-t="1802">the network.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1803" data-t="1803">You don't have the authority</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1805" data-t="1805">to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1807" data-t="1807">to moralize</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1808">30:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1808" data-t="1808">or be self righteous about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1810" data-t="1810">your contributions,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1812" data-t="1812">but is those your contributions</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1814" data-t="1814">and their consequences speak for themselves?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1820" data-t="1820">But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1821" data-t="1821">you should also speak for yourself</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1824">30:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1824" data-t="1824">and it doesn't seem like he's speaking for himself.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1828" data-t="1828">It does sound like he's speaking</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1830" data-t="1830">with some,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1832" data-t="1832">you know, objective</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1834" data-t="1834">or some sort of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1837" data-t="1837">idea, but it doesn't seem like he's speaking for himself on</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1840">30:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1840" data-t="1840">why it's important to him for why he's trying to explaining why he's doing it the way he's doing it. Then I just think I just think that if you're going to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1850" data-t="1850">take money from Jack Dorsey or</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1852" data-t="1852">if you're going to work with Jack Dorsey or you're just going to appease Jack Dorsey,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1857" data-t="1857">I would just say, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1860" data-t="1860">why should he have no why do you why why does he put up to the purity test? Why does everybody else hold for the purity test? We need to submit him to purity test.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1868">31:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1868" data-t="1868">I think I think we held his feet to the fire. There's a few people holding his feet to the fire,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1873" data-t="1873">and I think we should. We should we do we the like, we could the communists are gonna use Bitcoin. That's fine.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1880" data-t="1880">We don't I don't have any issue with the communist</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1883" data-t="1883">using Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1884" data-t="1884">I encourage them to. It's gonna fix them. It's gonna fix their communism</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1888" data-t="1888">eventually</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1889">31:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1889" data-t="1889">on a long low enough time or long enough</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1892" data-t="1892">time horizon. It'll fix them. It's a great way for communist to use Bitcoin. But one thing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1898" data-t="1898">we cannot allow for is the communist to dictate anything around language</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1903">31:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1903" data-t="1903">when it comes to Bitcoin. Yeah. We do not want to ever</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1907" data-t="1907">give the communist</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1909" data-t="1909">control of the means.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1911" data-t="1911">The means</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1913" data-t="1913">should be decentralized</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1915" data-t="1915">and, you know, that should be a big</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1918">31:58</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1918" data-t="1918">component or, or, of what Bitcoin podcasts are doing is making sure the memes are, are free flowing. Can communists even meme? Have you ever seen a good communist memer? I was expecting to being able</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1929" data-t="1929">to think of something, but, no, I can't. Is is not being good at memes an indication</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1935" data-t="1935">that you're, a communist?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1937" data-t="1937">Or is it can you, you know</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1939" data-t="1939">should you be worried if nobody likes your memes that you might be a communist? I think so.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1944">32:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1944" data-t="1944">You might just be a bad memer.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1947" data-t="1947">I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1948" data-t="1948">well, maybe may maybe it is. It's just because communism isn't rooted in in truth</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1954" data-t="1954">at the end of the day. And, like, what makes a good meme is that you have truth behind it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1959" data-t="1959">It it resonates with people.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1961" data-t="1961">But when you're living in make believe land thinking that you should rename Sass to bits, of course, your memes are gonna suck.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1968">32:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1968" data-t="1968">Because it's just it is so nonsensical. Yeah. Yeah. If you if you think you're telling the truth</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1974" data-t="1974">and nobody calls you retarded, then you you might not be malicious. You might just</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1980" data-t="1980">that might be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1981" data-t="1981">a reality check</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1983" data-t="1983">that you don't</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1985" data-t="1985">what your idea of truth is might be wrong. You might be bamboozled. 100%.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1990">33:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1990" data-t="1990">Speaking of which,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1993" data-t="1993">the past week</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1995" data-t="1995">has been,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1997" data-t="1997">you know, a lot of stress, a lot of trauma, a lot of emotions,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2001" data-t="2001">none other than, you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2003" data-t="2003">no more, excuse me, on than, than Shinobi. Shinobi is crashing out on the timeline.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2010">33:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2010" data-t="2010">He is been engaged</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2012" data-t="2012">in some really harsh debates with Adam Simeka,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2016" data-t="2016">with Justin Betchler,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2017" data-t="2017">with, the other people in Mike Mechanic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2021" data-t="2021">and in the people who support that on that camp</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2025" data-t="2025">and this is too much. Shelby's crashed out. He needs a vacation.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2029">33:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2029" data-t="2029">He is trying to be bespoke, the influencer,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2033" data-t="2033">personal influencer of all of the core maintainers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2036" data-t="2036">or for Bitcoin core.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2038" data-t="2038">He's trying to defend Gloria</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2040" data-t="2040">from harassment,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2041" data-t="2041">from people who, you know, were being mean to a female core dev and making her delete her Twitter. He's defending,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2049">34:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2049" data-t="2049">he's defending everybody as is too many,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2051" data-t="2051">too many people to defend. Whereas</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2054" data-t="2054">Luke is, he's got ocean</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2057" data-t="2057">or he's got mechanic.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2059" data-t="2059">He's got more than mechanic. He's got Justin Bessel, he's got Telmer, he's got Canute, he's got Daniel Prince.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2064" data-t="2064">He's got, you know, he's got Fractal and Crypt.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2067">34:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2067" data-t="2067">She always working for multiple people and Shinobi</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2071" data-t="2071">is important. I mean, Shinobi</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2073" data-t="2073">is he's he's burnt out. He has</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2076" data-t="2076">responsibilities</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2077" data-t="2077">to Bitcoin magazine. He has to write, you know, an op one op ed per month</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2083" data-t="2083">And he's not even, you know, his op eds have been,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2087">34:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2087" data-t="2087">have been mishy washy lately.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2090" data-t="2090">He it's, he's too busy. He's too spread out and he's gotta go to another conference again. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2095" data-t="2095">it's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2096" data-t="2096">it's very difficult. He needs a rest. Somebody's gotta step up. I agree.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2101" data-t="2101">How do you think that works out? How do you think we fix this problem? How do you, do we have to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2107" data-t="2107">can the market organically,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2110">35:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2110" data-t="2110">find a solution here? Or just</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2113">35:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2113" data-t="2113">where do they start? Well, I think yeah. Absolutely. The market organically,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2117" data-t="2117">finds a solution. I think the, you know, the market's gonna come to the realization at some point</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2122" data-t="2122">that they're incentivized to find influencers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2126" data-t="2126">to represent the different core devs. So every core dev will have a slew of influencers. So Luke has mechanic and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2133" data-t="2133">and all these other podcasters</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2136" data-t="2136">representing him.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2138">35:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2138" data-t="2138">Mechanic's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2139" data-t="2139">kinda like the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2141" data-t="2141">the ringleader</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2143" data-t="2143">of the influencer circle. So he he's like the chief capo</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2146" data-t="2146">for Luke and for NOS.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2151" data-t="2151">And every every other Kordev</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2153">35:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2153" data-t="2153">essentially needs</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2154" data-t="2154">their</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2155" data-t="2155">own capo</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2156" data-t="2156">influencer</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2157" data-t="2157">to represent what they're saying. You know, Gloria tried to do it herself. She tried to explain herself on Twitter.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2163" data-t="2163">She got absolutely decimated by</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2167">36:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2167" data-t="2167">mechanics,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2168" data-t="2168">underlings,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2171" data-t="2171">and she realized she wasn't a memer. She wasn't an influencer at the end. She was a dev, so she deleted her Twitter.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2178" data-t="2178">It was a it was a bad tactical mistake on her part.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2182" data-t="2182">You need to let the influencers do their job,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2185" data-t="2185">and the need to do their job.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2189">36:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2189" data-t="2189">You stay in your lane.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2192" data-t="2192">But this is something I proposed with, heavily armed clown</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2197" data-t="2197">on the interview that we did last week with him, which is really great. Check it out.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2201" data-t="2201">He he wasn't a big fan of the idea, but it I I think in this day and age,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2206" data-t="2206">it's important where</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2209" data-t="2209">we live in this influencer marketplace.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2211">36:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2211" data-t="2211">You just have to embrace it and accept it. If if your idea if if you don't embrace the influencers,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2217" data-t="2217">then you're gonna have a minority opinion</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2219" data-t="2219">at the end.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2221">37:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2221" data-t="2221">Is is part of the problem,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2224" data-t="2224">do you think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2226" data-t="2226">maybe the core devs, they're asked to do a lot of things, they just don't know what their job really is, and they don't have anybody holding them accountable for doing the job that they are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2237" data-t="2237">there</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2238" data-t="2238">as core devs to do? Do you think that there's some mission creep</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2242" data-t="2242">where they think they have to do live streams and podcasts and be influencers</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2249">37:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2249" data-t="2249">and be hot</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2250" data-t="2250">and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2252" data-t="2252">be current and listen to pod like, do you,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2256" data-t="2256">maybe they need some better</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2258" data-t="2258">regulatory clarity</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2260" data-t="2260">on their role and their jobs and maybe that's part of</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2264">37:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2264" data-t="2264">it. And the influencers coming in would help them do that. They would help them focus</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2268" data-t="2268">on code. Cypherpunks write code. They don't have time to be on</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2273" data-t="2273">arguing on spaces and being influencers,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2276" data-t="2276">and this would really relieve that burden for them.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2280">37:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2280" data-t="2280">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" data-t="2280">I think they're coming to the realization,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2283" data-t="2283">a 100%.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2284" data-t="2284">They're coming around to this idea.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2286" data-t="2286">They they a lot of people have to learn the hard way.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2290">38:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2290" data-t="2290">Maybe some of them wouldn't even want t core devs if they couldn't be influencers. Maybe they would move on to other things. Maybe they just stick to full time influence. Live streaming and podcasting is hard work.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2301">38:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2301" data-t="2301">Right. It's Yep. This is, like, one of the things</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2306" data-t="2306">that's hard. You know, you think of your your typical</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2310" data-t="2310">developer.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2311" data-t="2311">They're gonna be very autistic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2313" data-t="2313">at the end of the day.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2314" data-t="2314">People that just sit</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2316">38:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2316" data-t="2316">in a,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2317" data-t="2317">code editor, they're gonna be very, very autistic. People that understand like, you don't as, like, a non autistic or lower lower end of the spectrum, I think we're we all</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2327" data-t="2327">embody a little bit of autism,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2330" data-t="2330">especially if you've gotten in into Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2332" data-t="2332">religiously at this point. You're gonna have a little bit of autism in you, but but there's a different type of autism of of someone that understands c plus plus</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2342" data-t="2342">versus somebody that understands how to podcast.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2346">39:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2346" data-t="2346">And Right. To be a podcaster, you have to be a communicator.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2351" data-t="2351">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2352" data-t="2352">it's hard to do if you're super autistic.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2356">39:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2356" data-t="2356">And fundamentally, it boils down to the fact that there's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2360" data-t="2360">there's only so many problems</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2363" data-t="2363">you can solve per day. There's only so many problems you can solve per block.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2368" data-t="2368">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2369" data-t="2369">when you treat coding is fundamentally about solving problems with code. You're trying to solve software problems.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2376" data-t="2376">You're trying to patch. You're trying to debug. You're trying to figure out why something's not working on test net. You're trying to figure out why the user experience for your cloud provider</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2386">39:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2386" data-t="2386">is shaky.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2387" data-t="2387">There's a lot of user experience,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2390" data-t="2390">problems to solve in coding as well. And then you try to podcast and maybe, maybe people just have this idea</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2397" data-t="2397">and some people do they think podcasting is easy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2400" data-t="2400">They it's just people talking. They don't realize that it's a fundamental matter of problem solving. You're you're solving UX problems with your podcast equipment.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2409" data-t="2409">You're solving UX problems with fountain.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2413">40:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2413" data-t="2413">For solving UX problems with trying to market it on Noster and and Axe, you're solving UX problems of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2421" data-t="2421">trying to get it cut together and published, solving UX problems</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2426" data-t="2426">for how to, you know, you know, discuss why Bitcoin fixes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2430" data-t="2430">this problem, so you have to be able to articulate it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2433" data-t="2433">You there's only so many problems you could solve there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2436" data-t="2436">And you don't have enough time to be an influencer and a core dev and people take for granted</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2442">40:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2442" data-t="2442">the amount of work one</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2444" data-t="2444">side has to put into it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2446" data-t="2446">And they just they overestimate their abilities</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2450" data-t="2450">and it's fine. That's fine. The shinobi is a great example. Shinobi cannot go on one or two spaces a week</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2457" data-t="2457">and argue with Justin Beschler</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2459" data-t="2459">and write an op ed per month for Bitcoin magazine</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2463">41:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2463" data-t="2463">and, you know, go to another Bitcoin Big Dads meetup</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2467" data-t="2467">and, you know, talk about the same things in like the debate about opportune</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2471" data-t="2471">gets too much work.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2473" data-t="2473">People need to step up to the plate and kind of be that spokesperson</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2477" data-t="2477">for these</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2478" data-t="2478">for these brilliant autistic devs. Yep.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2481">41:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2481" data-t="2481">You can see Shinobi's worn out. He hasn't gotten enough time to watch anime.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2486">41:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2486" data-t="2486">It's it's beating him up. He's relying too much on whiskey to get through</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2490" data-t="2490">spaces. You know, it's tough out there right now. But there's a lot of people on the other side who they are too many people are trying to be the same spokesman</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2498" data-t="2498">for Luke,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2499" data-t="2499">and I think that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2502" data-t="2502">well, it's for they really only have one Kordev on their side. So everybody has to be the spokesman for him. It's gonna be hard to beat that, honestly. Yeah. Totally will.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2511" data-t="2511">The dungs are Luke Luke's bat now. They have to stop using pictures of skinny Luke, needle mech Luke.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2517">41:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2517" data-t="2517">When you see somebody, you're like, oh, wow. This guy,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2520" data-t="2520">he's gonna hack through any server. They show you show fat Luke, and</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2524" data-t="2524">it just kinda loses his mystique. Definitely does.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2528">42:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2528" data-t="2528">Well, I think we should</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2530" data-t="2530">talk about Vegas a little bit. And before</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2533" data-t="2533">we roll into that, I think we should provide the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2536" data-t="2536">context some context for what I'm about to talk about. So Adam Semeka had a big week this past week.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2543" data-t="2543">He blew up.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2545" data-t="2545">He he's officially</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2548">42:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2548" data-t="2548">I I would say he's the official Bitcoin spokesperson</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2551" data-t="2551">for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2552" data-t="2552">Shake and St or Steak and Shake now in a way. Yeah. He,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2557">42:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2557" data-t="2557">Steak and Shake's success</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2560" data-t="2560">with this Bitcoin experiment,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2561" data-t="2561">particularly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2562" data-t="2562">as it,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2564" data-t="2564">pertains</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2565" data-t="2565">to</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2567">42:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2567" data-t="2567">the public communications, the public relations about it, as well as a lot of the franchisee</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2573" data-t="2573">the franchise owners of Steak and Shake locations</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2576" data-t="2576">in,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2578" data-t="2578">several Midwest markets. It kinda hinges on</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2581" data-t="2581">Adam Samekka's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2582" data-t="2582">support. Is he gonna signal support to the meetups in that area that they should</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2587">43:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2587" data-t="2587">take your family to get some tallow fries,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2589" data-t="2589">you know, or a tallow shake</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2591" data-t="2591">with some sats?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2594" data-t="2594">He's gonna hold a lot of those steak and shake franchise owners accountable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2598" data-t="2598">to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2599" data-t="2599">you know, when you get those lighting sets for that, you know, that burger,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2604">43:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2604" data-t="2604">you gotta keep that in Bitcoin. Don't convert that to to dollars immediately.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2609" data-t="2609">Like, you have to show</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2610" data-t="2610">that you're serious in this community and you're you're gonna have Bitcoin treasuries in our in our in our zip codes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2617" data-t="2617">But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2620" data-t="2620">we're excited</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2622" data-t="2622">to to collaborate with Adam.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2624">43:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2624" data-t="2624">Where do you where were you what news did you have?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2627">43:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2627" data-t="2627">Well, be before I go into the news, I I did wanna. So he he came up with a brilliant marketing strategy for Steak and Shake.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2635" data-t="2635">So one of the one of the best ways to market</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2638" data-t="2638">to Bitcoiners is to issue a new purity test. And so he came up with a new purity test,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2644" data-t="2644">which was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2645" data-t="2645">if you don't eat at Steak and Shake and and purchase your meal with Bitcoin, then you want CBDCs.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2651" data-t="2651">And,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2652">44:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2652" data-t="2652">I thought that was pretty brilliant. That was a strike a genius on his part</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2657" data-t="2657">coming up with that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2659" data-t="2659">Here at the Bugle, we don't really want</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2662" data-t="2662">CBDCs.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2663" data-t="2663">It's not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2665" data-t="2665">or at least for me I won't speak for everybody.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2668">44:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2668" data-t="2668">But I think that's that's kind of a general</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2670" data-t="2670">feeling amongst the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2672" data-t="2672">in the newsroom.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2673" data-t="2673">I don't I don't want CBDCs,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2675" data-t="2675">so</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2676" data-t="2676">I wanna go eat at Steak and Shake with Adam Semeka</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2680">44:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2680" data-t="2680">in Vegas</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2682" data-t="2682">because there is actually</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2684" data-t="2684">a Steak and Shake</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2686" data-t="2686">on Fremont Street</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2687" data-t="2687">right down the street from where we're gonna be doing,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2690" data-t="2690">satirize</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2691">44:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2691" data-t="2691">the system. I think it's like a five minute walk or so.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2695" data-t="2695">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2696" data-t="2696">about the time that it takes to smoke three cigarettes,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2699" data-t="2699">you can walk to Steak and Shake</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2703" data-t="2703">and pay for a meal on Bitcoin. So I I was Yeah. Walking with Adam Samaka. It's looking like it's pretty likely that we're gonna</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2711" data-t="2711">have a sit down with Adam Samaka eating Steak and Shake.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2714">45:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2714" data-t="2714">Yeah. So that's exciting. We're gonna eat at steak and shake. We're gonna buy it with Bitcoin. And what's another and it's something that not a lot of people may remember,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2725" data-t="2725">but there's an In N Out,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2727" data-t="2727">burger as well in Vegas. And when people go to Vegas,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2731" data-t="2731">they want to go to in and out because it's, you know, usually you can only get it in places like California and a few other states, but if they come into Vegas, like, all right, we can get in and out, but in and out</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2740" data-t="2740">talked about incepting Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2742" data-t="2742">a few months ago,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2744">45:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2744" data-t="2744">and then ultimately chose</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2746" data-t="2746">the CBDC.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2747" data-t="2747">They decided they wanted to accept the CBDC.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2750" data-t="2750">So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2752" data-t="2752">it's not just about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2754" data-t="2754">supporting, you know, Steak and Shake,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2756">45:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2756" data-t="2756">you know, in this movement, but it's also about sending a message that we prefer Bitcoin over the CBDC by not eating it in and out and eating it steak and shake instead. Definitely.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2765">46:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2765" data-t="2765">I mean, this is this very, like, common understanding I think most people have at this point is this idea of voting with your wallet.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2773" data-t="2773">What you're essentially doing when you're eating at steak and shake, and this is what Adam has very astutely pointed out to everybody,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2781" data-t="2781">is, you're engaging in democracy. You're voting with your wallet.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2786" data-t="2786">And</span> <span class="cue" data-t="2786">it's it's a beautiful way to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2790" data-t="2790">to engage in democracy and yeah. I mean, in and out. What about your losers choosing the CBDC instead?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2797">46:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2797" data-t="2797">Void with your wallet, you know, it used to be a metaphor, but now it's literal. You're using your Lightning wallet. It's not just thinking about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2804" data-t="2804">the dollars in your pocket. It's voting by</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2808">46:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2808" data-t="2808">using Lightning. And what's great about it too,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2811" data-t="2811">when you're looking at it I haven't gotten the chance to go to to Steak and Shake yet. I don't even know where the nearest one is where I live. But the great thing is that I've been seeing on all of the the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2824" data-t="2824">the receipts that everybody's posted on Twitter</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2827" data-t="2827">is their pricing is sats.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2831" data-t="2831">They're not pricing in bids.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2833">47:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2833" data-t="2833">Probably have.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2834">47:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2834" data-t="2834">So what are you gonna do, Jack Dorsey? Are you gonna get make Steak and Shake just completely change their pricing structure?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2841" data-t="2841">Yeah. They figured out before you figured out how to integrate Bitcoin into their business?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2846">47:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2846" data-t="2846">They figured yeah. They integrated all their point of sale systems. You don't even have a point of sale system. You shouldn't have to that accepts Bitcoin anyway.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2855" data-t="2855">You should have to adopt,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2857" data-t="2857">you know,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2859" data-t="2859">lean on tradition. If you knew what the tradition was, if you knew what the precedent was, if you cared,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2865" data-t="2865">you wouldn't be going this route.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2867">47:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2867" data-t="2867">I mean, what a what a missed opportunity</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2870" data-t="2870">because they're accepting Bitcoin in their point of sale,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2874" data-t="2874">that's it's obvious that they're not using Square.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2878" data-t="2878">Jack Dorsey could have facilitated the first</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2881" data-t="2881">giant fast food chain onboarding the Bitcoin, and he chose not to because he's too focused on trying to convince people to change language. Where are these people's priorities, Rob? What did I I just don't get it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2893" data-t="2893">It's mind</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2894">48:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2894" data-t="2894">boggling.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2895">48:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2895" data-t="2895">It's it's just,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2898" data-t="2898">if you were listening to a Bitcoin podcast, you would know</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2903" data-t="2903">what the vibes were. You would know what the trends in the you just have your your your finger on the pulse,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2910" data-t="2910">your ear to the ground,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2911" data-t="2911">and you would know which way the market was going and you would know which way</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2917" data-t="2917">the the the revenue was flowing. The technology was flowing and you wouldn't make so many boneheaded or you wouldn't try so many boneheaded ideas. At the at the end of the day,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2927">48:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2927" data-t="2927">this costs a lot of money and energy and resources to try to change</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2932" data-t="2932">these these elements of Bitcoin.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2936" data-t="2936">It's really difficult to do. You think if, if they really actually care about the future, the network, they would be more of a,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2943" data-t="2943">a benevolent actor at least, or a,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2947" data-t="2947">a good thief</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2949" data-t="2949">after instead of at least seeming,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2952">49:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2952" data-t="2952">like, always being bad actors. So</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2955">49:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2955" data-t="2955">you mentioned the word vibe,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2957" data-t="2957">which,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2959" data-t="2959">triggered something in my brain. So Vibe Capital's been rolling.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2963" data-t="2963">Very excited of the developments over there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2967" data-t="2967">They're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2968" data-t="2968">creating one of the most talented teams</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2970">49:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2970" data-t="2970">that I've ever seen put together. I would say</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2973" data-t="2973">they're</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2974" data-t="2974">taking this whole, like, Bitcoin treasury</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2977" data-t="2977">meme thing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2979" data-t="2979">to next</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2980" data-t="2980">level. They're assembling some of the best meme</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2983">49:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2983" data-t="2983">ers out there</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2985">49:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2985" data-t="2985">in their Executive Suite. Yeah. They're stacking their their ultimate goal is to stack SaaS. But right now, they're laying the groundwork and they are stacking credentials and they are stacking memers and meme talent.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2996" data-t="2996">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2998" data-t="2998">it is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2999" data-t="2999">honestly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3001" data-t="3001">I haven't seen</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3002" data-t="3002">such an effective,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3005">50:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3005" data-t="3005">organization</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3006" data-t="3006">of influencers,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3009" data-t="3009">and and podcasters</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3010" data-t="3010">since Swan</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3012" data-t="3012">came on the scene in 2020.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3015" data-t="3015">It is you know, this could be</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3017">50:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3017" data-t="3017">this could be much bigger. This is happening much faster. So I think there's a there's two questions I have. Is Swan gonna try and co opt it?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3026" data-t="3026">Which would be disappointing to me,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3029">50:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3029" data-t="3029">just probably They'll try. They'll try. I think they try. They try to co opt everything. You know, creatine,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3036">50:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3036" data-t="3036">was the most recent example. Okay. So that's your thought on that. Now I the other question I had is,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3043">50:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3043" data-t="3043">why doesn't Plentiver like it? What's his issue here? Yeah. Plentiver has been the Vive's police so far. He I think they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3052" data-t="3052">I think they had only been</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3054" data-t="3054">tweeting and and gaining</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3056" data-t="3056">new followers for about less, you know, four or five days, and Polito muted them already. I mean, boom. Like, he sees the same word four or five days in a row, and he's like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3067" data-t="3067">this is a trend and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3069" data-t="3069">I'm blocking it. I'm filtering it out.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3072">51:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3072" data-t="3072">I only want</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3074" data-t="3074">to really have signal. I don't want trends,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3077" data-t="3077">but I don't know. I it doesn't there there's nothing about vibes that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3081" data-t="3081">is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3082" data-t="3082">necessarily</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3084" data-t="3084">against predators, you know,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3087">51:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3087" data-t="3087">rules or his culture. This just seems to annoy him for some reason. It seems like they're having fun. I think predator tries to filter fun and tries to focus on,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3099" data-t="3099">just</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3100">51:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3100" data-t="3100">just to perfect signal. It just seems like he takes his job</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3104" data-t="3104">extraordinarily</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3105" data-t="3105">seriously,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3106" data-t="3106">and he doesn't want</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3108" data-t="3108">he he considers fun as a distraction. What do you think? Yeah. Yeah. The the YouTube</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3112" data-t="3112">show would look like if he ever did that.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3115">51:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3115" data-t="3115">If he doesn't like if if he thinks fun is distracting.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3119">51:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3119" data-t="3119">I I think his, his comedy would be pretty it'd be pretty entertaining.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3124" data-t="3124">I'd like to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3125" data-t="3125">I don't know if everybody would get it, but I think I would appreciate it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3129" data-t="3129">I think that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3130" data-t="3130">the right, you know, good comedy is about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3134" data-t="3134">scolding</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3136">52:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3136" data-t="3136">people who</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3138" data-t="3138">you know, just don't punch down, but definitely</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3141" data-t="3141">scold everybody else.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3144" data-t="3144">And definitely scold everybody else who punches down and scold people for,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3150" data-t="3150">you know, just not doing things best practice. And there's so many hypocrites out there who</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3155" data-t="3155">will claim,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3157">52:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3157" data-t="3157">you know, to, to care about Bitcoin and then they will,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3162" data-t="3162">they'll shit coin. And when you point out that hypocrisy and you constantly point tell people they're hypocrites,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3168" data-t="3168">it's, it can be some really, it could come to, there could be some really fight content that comes from that. And I think he's just gonna dunk on people who,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3178" data-t="3178">who think who, you know, think they're being slick, but I think it's past political.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3184">53:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3184" data-t="3184">I've never really understood comedy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3187" data-t="3187">myself.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3188" data-t="3188">It's kind of a strange concept. It it was interesting hearing fundamentals explained it on the podcast though. Yeah, it was. Yeah. It's, you know, putters it's,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3197">53:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3197" data-t="3197">I would say I agree with them that when, you know, somebody like BitBoy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3201" data-t="3201">comes on and and claims that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3205" data-t="3205">he he thinks Bitcoin's gonna change the world. And then he does, you know, an XRP ad and it's, you know, I do find that funny and as well, I think Twitter sees a lot of people that they, they say they find that funny and he's like, I I could make a video about it. Interesting. Well, yeah, we're gonna have a good time in Vegas.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3221">53:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3221" data-t="3221">I'm looking forward to it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3223" data-t="3223">Been talking about it week after week because I'm so excited.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3227" data-t="3227">I don't know if we have any new developments</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3230" data-t="3230">this week that I can share publicly. We're working on some stuff that I think will be pretty interesting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3236" data-t="3236">Got my,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3238" data-t="3238">got our, Nordinals hats</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3241">54:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3241" data-t="3241">in the in the mail. I, posted that online.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3246" data-t="3246">I did I did buy them for PodConv, but I I thought they were just they were they were so good.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3252" data-t="3252">We're gonna tell, the normals people to their face that we we're tired of them spamming,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3258" data-t="3258">sending arbitrary</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3259" data-t="3259">data in the in the blockchain</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3261" data-t="3261">that we're</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3264">54:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3264" data-t="3264">I'd I'd rather,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3266" data-t="3266">them use the the block space for non KYC cigarette transactions.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3271" data-t="3271">I'm not against the right</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3274" data-t="3274">to do it,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3277" data-t="3277">but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3279" data-t="3279">ord normals or or I don't know.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3283">54:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3283" data-t="3283">It's not my favorite thing in the world, but I just thought</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3286" data-t="3286">that would be fun to wear the hats around.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3289">54:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3289" data-t="3289">Let's get to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3290" data-t="3290">my favorite thing in the world,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3293" data-t="3293">which is found boost.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3296" data-t="3296">Unless you had do you have anything you wanted to clean up with about,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3299" data-t="3299">about Vegas?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3301" data-t="3301">Yeah. I think you should just bring the show notes here. The system.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3304">55:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3304" data-t="3304">Buy a ticket and price system.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3307" data-t="3307">Buy t shirts on orangelabel.co.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3309" data-t="3309">Wear</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3310" data-t="3310">Beagle t shirts</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3312" data-t="3312">to the conference. Show everybody,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3315" data-t="3315">what's up. We got some good</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3317">55:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3317" data-t="3317">In the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3318" data-t="3318">show notes for this episode,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3320" data-t="3320">we are gonna share the links of every</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3323" data-t="3323">party, every event we're gonna go to, what ours is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3327" data-t="3327">and all the stores that you can go to to get T shirts to wherever the conference is all gonna be there. So that's how you get prepared</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3335" data-t="3335">for Vegas,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3336">55:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3336" data-t="3336">is look at all those links every single one of them and buy something from them if there's anything for sale.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3342" data-t="3342">Yep.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3344">55:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3344" data-t="3344">Noster Las Vegas. Oh, I I need to put the or the ordinals events. Fam in Vegas. Hosted by Aaron Redwing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3351" data-t="3351">Yeah. Onto the boost. Late stage HODL 10,000 SaaS says oh, this is a long one.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3357" data-t="3357">Wait. It's got a dot dot dot. Okay. Oh, it just ends with the dot dot dot.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3362" data-t="3362">I just don't even know what to think until Dennis Porter gives his breaking opinion</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3367" data-t="3367">or just in news. I will keep my eyes peeled on the timeline for notifications</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3373" data-t="3373">of the DPP.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3376">56:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3376" data-t="3376">Corniness</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3377" data-t="3377">seem like who I wanna support over the Nazis. But let's not forget that in World War two, it was The US led heroic objectives</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3385" data-t="3385">defending liberty who won the war.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3387" data-t="3387">Just don't know yet if we</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3390" data-t="3390">if the HODL alliance is going to team up with the Nazis this time or the Corvinus again,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3397" data-t="3397">but they can just</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3399">56:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3399" data-t="3399">HFSP.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3400" data-t="3400">I'm just going to HODL and listen to 40 HPW. Yeah. Dude, I I'm writing an article. I I should have it finished by tonight. I was working on it before this,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3409" data-t="3409">looking to to publish tomorrow around the time that it's coming up, doing some analysis of the Corbynist versus the Nazis.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3417" data-t="3417">I'm not sure who who would represent, like, the the democratic Western allies</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3422" data-t="3422">in World War two</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3424" data-t="3424">in this situation,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3425">57:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3425" data-t="3425">in the Corbynists versus the Nazis?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3427">57:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3427" data-t="3427">What do you think? I don't know. I don't know if it maps</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3431" data-t="3431">that easily</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3432" data-t="3432">to sometimes that's a problem. Sometimes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3436" data-t="3436">these things that are happening in this space don't have a precedence that we could easily man them back to like, all right, the good guys in the, the good guys</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3444" data-t="3444">were The United States, the bad guys were Iraq, the good guys were The United States, the bad guys</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3450" data-t="3450">were Vietnam,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3451">57:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3451" data-t="3451">the good guys were Winston Churchill, the bad guys were,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3456" data-t="3456">the Nazis and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3458" data-t="3458">the fascists</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3459" data-t="3459">and also the Russians,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3461" data-t="3461">but only in hindsight,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3464" data-t="3464">and you know, stuff like that. So, it's, it's, it's sometimes it's hard to like easily map those up because</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3470">57:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3470" data-t="3470">the bad guys aren't always the same people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3473" data-t="3473">in every conflict and the good guys, you know, just because you won</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3476" data-t="3476">the block size war doesn't mean you're gonna win,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3480" data-t="3480">you know, the next one. It sometimes you do, sometimes you can't, but you can't just tout on it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3485" data-t="3485">So that's my non answer. Well,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3488">58:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3488" data-t="3488">to kinda go off the non answer, I guess it just depends on who wins.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3493">58:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3493" data-t="3493">There there's this town of mine. Yeah. It's too early to say it was The United States in this conflict because we don't know who has won yet.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3503">58:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3503" data-t="3503">It's whoever Dennis Porter picks. I don't I don't know why he's waiting so long to to choose the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3509" data-t="3509">the winner in this panel. Well, thank you for the boost, late stage huddle. Yeah. The next one is from</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3515">58:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3515" data-t="3515">our boy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3516" data-t="3516">First guy I smoked a non KYC cigarette with at a Bugle</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3521" data-t="3521">meetup.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3522" data-t="3522">It's Shadrach.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3524" data-t="3524">He hit us for ten hour, 9,363</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3527" data-t="3527">sats. And Gigi said, I'm still confused, but thanks for trying. And sometimes that is a great,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3533">58:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3533" data-t="3533">but the only response you can have to a podcast is I'm still confused, but thanks for trying. And you go on to the next one.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3540" data-t="3540">But you would, you eventually figure it out. That's a</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3543">59:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3543" data-t="3543">unusual stance because I think most Bitcoiners,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3546" data-t="3546">they don't like to admit that they're confused and that they don't know.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3550" data-t="3550">Because Right. And they still feel Well, there's a stigma because, you know, people reading that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3556" data-t="3556">might think that Shandorak's not listening to his 40 HPW, but, you know, sometimes that's just the honest answer. You don't know. We we can't know everything about everything. I I guess just, like, knowing where you're,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3568" data-t="3568">you're properly credentialed and where you're not, being able to discern those two things and things you won't understand. It's a weird</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3573">59:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3573" data-t="3573">it's a it is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3575" data-t="3575">unfamiliar</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3577" data-t="3577">sentiment, but it is, a brave one, a courageous one. Definitely.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3583">59:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3583" data-t="3583">Next one from,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3585" data-t="3585">FOMO chronic 5,000 sats says, serious stuff.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3590" data-t="3590">What is that? Like a ball emoji?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3593" data-t="3593">Like wiener? Ball and dick? I think it's a heart. It's usually a heart. Keep it up. Oh, yeah. Well, we'll keep it up. We'll never rest it up. Dennis</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3601">1:00:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3601" data-t="3601">Dennis Porter will assure us of that. That's not a problem over here. I'll tell you that much. Have a cigarette. Listen to some Dennis Porter if it is for you. The next one is Odie,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3612" data-t="3612">40 HPW.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3613" data-t="3613">He's also got it in his,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3615" data-t="3615">profile picture too, the 40 HPW watermark. Odie,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3618" data-t="3618">thank you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3620" data-t="3620">Haven't heard from him in a while, but he boosted</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3624">1:00:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3624" data-t="3624">2,121</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3625" data-t="3625">sats.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3626" data-t="3626">As most Norwegians, I stand with the Cormiest.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3630" data-t="3630">What we use is standing with his,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3633" data-t="3633">his fellow</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3635" data-t="3635">Scandinavians</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3637">1:00:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3637" data-t="3637">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3640" data-t="3640">doing it for the collective for the corniest. So Jason c, 2,100</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3644">1:00:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3644" data-t="3644">sets.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3646" data-t="3646">Great show, gents. I continue to enjoy the variety of content and evolution of the overall podcast and team. We're definitely growing over here.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3653">1:00:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3653" data-t="3653">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3655" data-t="3655">Yep. Blueza,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3656" data-t="3656">1100</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3658" data-t="3658">or, excuse me, 1010¢.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3660" data-t="3660">Credentials matter.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3662" data-t="3662">What's this been with him forever? He gets</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3665">1:01:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3665" data-t="3665">a he gets a Good friend, Bob the Cow, 500¢.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3669" data-t="3669">Why can't Bitcoiners get along and sing Kumbaya?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3672" data-t="3672">Well, I've got a theory on this. I,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3676" data-t="3676">it's a it's both a a mix of autism</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3679" data-t="3679">and thinking for yourself.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3682" data-t="3682">Like, if you if you actually form your own opinions on things, you're gonna have disagreements with other people. I think the only time that everybody gets along is just because they're just kinda, like, going along with</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3694">1:01:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3694" data-t="3694">the the same narrative.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3696" data-t="3696">And it's like, that's what PodConf wants.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3700">1:01:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3700" data-t="3700">Also,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3701" data-t="3701">it's also,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3702" data-t="3702">it is a form of test, and I don't think a bad one.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3706" data-t="3706">It's just a test to see somebody's, temperament nature. People who have really thought</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3712" data-t="3712">deeply and thoughtfully</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3714" data-t="3714">about something</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3715">1:01:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3715" data-t="3715">and consider all sides, they may not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3719" data-t="3719">say what you want to hear. They may not, agree with you. They may debate you. They're not afraid, you know, they're not, they're not gonna be upset</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3727" data-t="3727">about the opportunity. They're gonna be willing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3730" data-t="3730">to debate like Preston Pysch, you know, he wanted to debate Shinobi.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3735" data-t="3735">And there was some back and forth going, but when it came down to it, Preston,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3739" data-t="3739">ghosted</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3740">1:02:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3740" data-t="3740">Shanoi because he he he wasn't Jamie. He didn't hasn't really thought about his position enough. So, he wanted to take that time. But, you know, people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3749" data-t="3749">it's not that they're always fighting. It is just that they are testing whether these these other people have</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3755" data-t="3755">thought about it as much as they claim they have. That's a good point.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3758">1:02:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3758" data-t="3758">Yeah. I guess, Polkov definitely wants the fighting.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3761">1:02:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3761" data-t="3761">Or are you just a paid agent? Or are you just a replicator?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3764">1:02:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3764" data-t="3764">Yeah. There there's that. I mean, there's the spooks that come in and try and stir up stupid arguments</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3769" data-t="3769">about nothing like SAS versus bits.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3772" data-t="3772">Then there's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3775" data-t="3775">Podkoff wants to create drama because they want people to wanna watch their live streams or their conferences and buy tickets to see debates at it. Then there's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3784" data-t="3784">the podcasters</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3786" data-t="3786">who want people listening to their podcast.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3789">1:03:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3789" data-t="3789">There there's a lot of different incentives</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3792" data-t="3792">going behind the scenes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3794" data-t="3794">And then there's all the people that that think for themselves that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3798" data-t="3798">you know, have opinions on things that wanna interject, and then they get kinda caught up in whatever the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3804" data-t="3804">the argument is.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3806" data-t="3806">So it's a it's a giant mosh pit, but,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3809">1:03:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3809" data-t="3809">I mean, that's how the free market works.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3812" data-t="3812">Free market for ideas. Bob the cow, 500¢</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3816">1:03:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3816" data-t="3816">is oh, wait. I just read that. Yeah. We already did that one. The next one is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3821" data-t="3821">I guess it's return. No. It's my turn. Turkey.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3824" data-t="3824">And that's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3825" data-t="3825">just a fountain episode. I think it's just 500 sats. No. No comment. Thank you. Turkey. BTC on board.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3833">1:03:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3833" data-t="3833">300 sats.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3835" data-t="3835">Laugh laugh laugh emoji. Thank you, b c BTC onboard. This per BTC onboard is probably one of our most consistent boosters and listeners at this point.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3844">1:04:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3844" data-t="3844">I was gonna say.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3846" data-t="3846">Oops. The next one is from, God's God's death. 237</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3851" data-t="3851">sets.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3852">1:04:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3852" data-t="3852">Thank you, fags. No problem. Thank you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3855" data-t="3855">Thank you. Larry Oshii</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3858" data-t="3858">Finkomoda.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3860" data-t="3860">Well, that's a that's an interesting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3863" data-t="3863">name. It's kinda unusual.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3866" data-t="3866">Little bit of corny title, don't you think?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3870">1:04:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3870" data-t="3870">What was their title?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3871" data-t="3871">Corniness versus Nazis? Oh, corny spelled c o r e n y, like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3878" data-t="3878">I get it. That was a pun.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3881" data-t="3881">Very good.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3883">1:04:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3883" data-t="3883">Yeah. I missed that one. I thought it was</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3886">1:04:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3886" data-t="3886">I thought it was just being un pedantic. That was clever. Good job. Yeah. If you wanna throw puns in the booth, I'm all for it. Go for it. I'll that'll keep me entertained for</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3896">1:04:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3896" data-t="3896">sure. Thanks for the boost. Yeah. I will I think the last one's from Noster Gang.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3901" data-t="3901">100 stats,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3902" data-t="3902">as always, incredible</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3904">1:05:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3904" data-t="3904">TA. Well, thank you, Noster Gang.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3906" data-t="3906">Well, thank you for everybody that boosted this episode. Looking forward to seeing everybody in Vegas that shows up and those that don't, we'll see you on the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3915" data-t="3915">intellectual silk road. Keep on learning, keep on listening to 40 HPW and we'll catch you on the next week</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3923" data-t="3923">of the Beagle Weekly.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3928">1:05:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3928" data-t="3928">Peace. Look at the script. It's tapped through tight. Pushing my file through block space right. You want your man pool squeaky clean. But mine's got memes and art and dreams. You call us spam, I call us signal. Your nose uptight,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3943" data-t="3943">mine's more nimble, Bitcoin's law. It don't exclude, it's bytes and blocks, don't misconstrue.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3949" data-t="3949">You wanna fix, restrict the chain, but that's control,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3953" data-t="3953">and that's insane. The Saint Course beef, the Saint Luke's game, it's open ledger.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3958" data-t="3958">Cover mains, cypherpunk vibes. I'm going hard. I</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4009">1:06:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4009" data-t="4009">the fee.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4011" data-t="4011">And mine is not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4013" data-t="4013">worth a fee.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4016" data-t="4016">You want uniform walls</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4018" data-t="4018">and trimmed down tools,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4021" data-t="4021">but you can't</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4092">1:08:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4092" data-t="4092">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4093" data-t="4093">I'm just grabbing JPEGs while you're sleeping. Limp pull's full, but I ain't weeping. I'm just trying to make some history on Bitcoin's time chain. Leave a legacy, no hope</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4116">1:08:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4116" data-t="4116">fear the code Where on the shoulders of blocks they wrote</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4122" data-t="4122">This is the pursuit,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4124" data-t="4124">the pursuit of inscriptions</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4134">1:08:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4134" data-t="4134">Lexit is coin base, eternal is hash Even if Luke trying to memory trash We inscribe and yet we hear to clash on set by set We leave our stamp man, this is the tang we built it flat man</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-4150">1:09:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-4150" data-t="4150">This is the pursuit</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4152" data-t="4152">of inscriptions and I know y'all hating but I'm lighting it up</span></span></p>