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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-0">0:00</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-0" data-t="0">Warning. Listeners may find the following podcast disturbing.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-4" data-t="4">Listener discretion is advised.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-6" data-t="6">If you are an individual that believes in the separation of money and state or believe in the elimination of government,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-13" data-t="13">stop listening now. This podcast is reserved only for mature individuals who will comply to the extent necessary in order to ensure NGU.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-23">0:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-23" data-t="23">The Bugle</span> <span class="cue" id="t-25" data-t="25">is the world's premier news agency.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-28" data-t="28">They are the Bitcoin standard of news.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-32">0:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-32" data-t="32">These ordinal guys are out of control. They're turning the UTXOs gay, and it needs to be stopped.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-37">0:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-37" data-t="37">The force is strong with the people taking tether</span> <span class="cue" id="t-42" data-t="42">money. They are complying</span> <span class="cue" id="t-43" data-t="43">with the empire.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-44" data-t="44">No one can withstand</span> <span class="cue" id="t-46" data-t="46">the power of the dark side.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-51" data-t="51">I prefer ETHDenver over Bitcoin 2023.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-54">0:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-54" data-t="54">The shitcoiners are my people more so than the toxic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-58" data-t="58">laser iMacs.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-60">0:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-60" data-t="60">The reason I find Dennis Porter so sexy is that he is so compliant.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-65" data-t="65">Heads turn when he walks down the hall of the Capitol Building.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-68">1:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-68" data-t="68">The Bugle is easily the most important journalistic institution around today.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-73" data-t="73">They make up literally everything they write and yet it is somehow all true.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-78">1:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-78" data-t="78">Now you all better let the bugle do the thinking for your life. It's too damn hard to do all the thinking yourself.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-95">1:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-95" data-t="95">This podcast is made possible by our sponsor,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-99" data-t="99">PodConf.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-100" data-t="100">PodConf</span> <span class="cue" id="t-101" data-t="101">is the premier organization</span> <span class="cue" id="t-103" data-t="103">working to promote compliance across the Bitcoin community in order to ensure NGU.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-109" data-t="109">This week, they launched their Real Pleb movement.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-112">1:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-112" data-t="112">Real Plebs is a prestigious initiative designed for mission driven Bitcoiners</span> <span class="cue" id="t-116" data-t="116">who are ready to elevate their influence within the Bitcoin community.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-121" data-t="121">Real Plebs is more than a title.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-123" data-t="123">It's a commitment to propelling the narrative of Bitcoin in line with PodConff's mission</span> <span class="cue" id="t-128" data-t="128">to unprecedented</span> <span class="cue" id="t-129" data-t="129">heights.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-130">2:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Unknown</b> <span class="cue" id="t-130" data-t="130">You can apply to get the Real Pleb verification on the PodConff website,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-135" data-t="135">podconf.xyz.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-138" data-t="138">Verification will be required to attend all Bitcoin conferences starting May 2025.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-145" data-t="145">Implying early and getting verified will allow you preferential treatment during conference registration and security.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-152" data-t="152">Apply to skip the line.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-154" data-t="154">Thank you to PodCon f for supporting the podcast.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-161">2:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-161" data-t="161">Alright. We are live.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-165" data-t="165">Hey there, Rod.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-168">2:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-168" data-t="168">Pleasure complying with all of you this past week.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-172" data-t="172">How you doing, Richard?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-175">2:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-175" data-t="175">Oh, you know, I feel ready</span> <span class="cue" id="t-178" data-t="178">for a new week of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-179" data-t="179">complying.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-180" data-t="180">We're, recording on Monday night.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-184" data-t="184">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-188" data-t="188">yeah, might as well talk about our sponsor.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-191">3:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-191" data-t="191">But</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-193">3:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-193" data-t="193">it it sounds exciting, and it it's better than nothing. So we're we're pleased to announce it. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-198" data-t="198">yeah,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-199" data-t="199">let them let them know who who's sponsoring us now.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-204">3:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-204" data-t="204">We were we we announced this</span> <span class="cue" id="t-207" data-t="207">the other night on PlugChain Radio</span> <span class="cue" id="t-210" data-t="210">that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-211" data-t="211">pod</span> <span class="cue" id="t-212" data-t="212">Podkoff actually approached us to sponsor us. So our reporting on them</span> <span class="cue" id="t-219" data-t="219">chased them out of the shadows</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-221">3:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-221" data-t="221">and into the light. They created a public website. They're they're really trying to manage the PR now.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-228" data-t="228">And as part of that PR management, they've actually</span> <span class="cue" id="t-231" data-t="231">reached out to sponsor us, and we accept it.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-235">3:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-235" data-t="235">Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you got,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-238" data-t="238">we're we're basically going to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-241" data-t="241">be on cyber</span> <span class="cue" id="t-242" data-t="242">with Topgolf</span> <span class="cue" id="t-244" data-t="244">to encourage compliance and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-246" data-t="246">we have to support that the the Bitcoin price go up.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-250">4:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-250" data-t="250">But we also</span> <span class="cue" id="t-255" data-t="255">make sure to bring them down.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-257" data-t="257">Our quality of journalism</span> <span class="cue" id="t-259" data-t="259">will not be effective.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-260" data-t="260">This will not affect our opinions. This will not affect our ability to be objective.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-265" data-t="265">We will still bring you</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-268">4:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-268" data-t="268">the only official news that you can count on in the Bitcoin space.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-275">4:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-275" data-t="275">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-276" data-t="276">I don't I don't know why anybody would think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-279" data-t="279">us having a sponsor would somehow influence our journalistic integrity.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-285" data-t="285">If they would think that they probably don't understand how journalism works,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-290" data-t="290">and they're they're too busy watching these YouTubers.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-292" data-t="292">But we're not like those people.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-294">4:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-294" data-t="294">We're we're very</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-296">4:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-296" data-t="296">Right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-298" data-t="298">Most of the people who have these criticisms,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-301" data-t="301">they think that education is listening to podcasts.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-304" data-t="304">They don't have bachelor's degrees in journalism like we do. And so some people, they they disrespect,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-311" data-t="311">the University of Phoenix, you know, bachelor of journalism degree or any bachelor degree.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-316" data-t="316">But, that just betrays their ignorance.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-322">5:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-322" data-t="322">I mean, podcasts,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-324" data-t="324">while entertaining,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-326" data-t="326">are are definitely not educational like a college education is.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-331" data-t="331">There's no grades on how you listen to a podcast.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-335" data-t="335">There's no tests.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-337" data-t="337">And the the worst part about it is you don't pay money. And I know Fountain is trying to fix this</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-344">5:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-344" data-t="344">by convincing people to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-346" data-t="346">to voluntarily pay for it, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-348" data-t="348">you need to you need to get into your ears in debt</span> <span class="cue" id="t-352" data-t="352">in order to get a real education.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-355">5:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-355" data-t="355">Yeah. And I think,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-356" data-t="356">oh, I agree with all of those. The most important to me is if you look at the statistics,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-361" data-t="361">most people listen to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-363" data-t="363">one or two</span> <span class="cue" id="t-365" data-t="365">podcasts over and over. That's where they get most of their information.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-369" data-t="369">And there's it's statistics show there's very little diversity</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-372">6:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-372" data-t="372">in in their listening shoes. So when you go to college, you get a more diverse education from,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-378" data-t="378">from people from with different genders, different cultures,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-382" data-t="382">different pronouns. And I think that that is a very important component.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-391">6:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-391" data-t="391">Podkoff</span> <span class="cue" id="t-393" data-t="393">just put out a really helpful blog on how to influence the influencers.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-399" data-t="399">And so if you wanna go over to their website, podkoff.xyz,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-404" data-t="404">you can check out</span> <span class="cue" id="t-407" data-t="407">you can check out the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-409" data-t="409">article there. And you can also</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-412">6:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-412" data-t="412">apply to get early access to the RealPlan verification.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-419">6:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-419" data-t="419">Do you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-420" data-t="420">Did you wanna read what the RealPlan verification gets you? Because I think that people are going to be very, very interested</span> <span class="cue" id="t-430" data-t="430">in this. Yeah. I mean,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-432">7:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-432" data-t="432">as part of our our sponsorship</span> <span class="cue" id="t-434" data-t="434">agreement, so so I think it's important</span> <span class="cue" id="t-437" data-t="437">to be fully transparent with our listeners as to what they're giving us. But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-443" data-t="443">Podkoff is allowing Rod and myself</span> <span class="cue" id="t-447" data-t="447">to have,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-448" data-t="448">free memberships.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-449">7:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-449" data-t="449">They're so they're copying our memberships to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-453" data-t="453">Real Clubs.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-456" data-t="456">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-457" data-t="457">that gets us</span> <span class="cue" id="t-458" data-t="458">early access</span> <span class="cue" id="t-460" data-t="460">to buy conference tickets</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-462">7:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-462" data-t="462">as well as to bypass</span> <span class="cue" id="t-465" data-t="465">obtrusive security.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-466" data-t="466">There's special quicker</span> <span class="cue" id="t-468" data-t="468">security,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-470" data-t="470">at at the conferences, at all the Bitcoin conferences.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-475" data-t="475">And it's pretty great.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-477">7:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-477" data-t="477">Not only that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-478" data-t="478">admitting,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-479" data-t="479">everybody who is a real plan, You get you own, affiliate discount code. So if you want to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-486" data-t="486">as an influencer,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-489" data-t="489">show out only other people who are on social media that you are, you know, a real plan that you are associated with the Podcove approved conferences and podcasts, you can offer a discount code, and that gives you and your</span> <span class="cue" id="t-501" data-t="501">followers,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-503">8:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-503" data-t="503">up to 5% off of tickets that are usually around 600 or $700</span> <span class="cue" id="t-508" data-t="508">for three days</span> <span class="cue" id="t-510" data-t="510">of, being shield to at expo halls about why you should buy a product of people who also paid Prodkov</span> <span class="cue" id="t-516" data-t="516">to be in that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-519" data-t="519">in that area marketing to you. So you could actually get a $700 ticket, and all of your followers could for $680.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-528" data-t="528">That's a great deal, and that is one of the one of the many benefits</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-532">8:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-532" data-t="532">of the RealPlab membership.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-537">8:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-537" data-t="537">Their road map of what they wanna do with RealPlab is really cool.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-541" data-t="541">I know in the future,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-543" data-t="543">they want to be able to tie your KYC information</span> <span class="cue" id="t-546" data-t="546">into your real I Real Pleb identification.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-550" data-t="550">And so that way, you can sign up for any regulated compliant KYC</span> <span class="cue" id="t-555" data-t="555">exchange you want to with one click, kinda like how you sign in with Google.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-560">9:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-560" data-t="560">They're saying they're yeah. They're saying that this, you know, could be huge. Like, you could get summoned for,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-567" data-t="567">the juror for juror duty,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-570" data-t="570">And they would be able to, like, arrest you and in the in the, courtroom call you by your platinum name because it's gonna associate all of these together.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-578" data-t="578">So that doesn't matter who you interact with or which companies you sign up with online,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-584" data-t="584">they will know your identity on Twitter. You may be able to get more deals because you're gonna be an influencer. They'll have access to know if they they could sell their products through your account.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-597">9:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-597" data-t="597">Yeah. I mean, you can really monetize your Twitter following,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-600" data-t="600">and, this is part of what we're doing with the sponsorship</span> <span class="cue" id="t-604" data-t="604">package as well</span> <span class="cue" id="t-606" data-t="606">is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-607" data-t="607">PodConf is paying us</span> <span class="cue" id="t-609" data-t="609">in compliance tokens.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-612">10:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-612" data-t="612">And I know you wrote an article about that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-614" data-t="614">of, Samsung now buying some. I don't know if you wanna talk about that, Rob. It was a very interesting story.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-622">10:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-622" data-t="622">When people were wondering if the Bitcoin community and platform,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-627" data-t="627">if they supported people like Samsung now, Adam Back, Jack Mallers because they use Tether.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-633" data-t="633">Well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-634" data-t="634">Bogloff today issued a waiver to Samsung and his company Jan three who make the Aqua Wallet, that utilizes the liquid network.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-643" data-t="643">And they may have gotten a waiver so that they are able to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-647" data-t="647">to facilitate the use of shit coins like Tether</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-650">10:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-650" data-t="650">on their app without being negatively affected.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-653" data-t="653">Nobody can make them eligible for protection from mean paying attacks. They're eligible for protection from being criticism online. All their influencers will step in and and protect them and defend them as long as they now that they have this waiver that has been approved</span> <span class="cue" id="t-669" data-t="669">and they were able to purchase</span> <span class="cue" id="t-671" data-t="671">these compliance credits. And these compliance credits can be spent at PodConf</span> <span class="cue" id="t-676" data-t="676">for sponsorships,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-677" data-t="677">podcast sponsorships,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-679">11:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-679" data-t="679">you know, partnerships, things like that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-683" data-t="683">And you will see</span> <span class="cue" id="t-684" data-t="684">January 3 and and anybody who has used these compliance tokens to buy sponsorships.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-691" data-t="691">You'll be seeing them on podcasts at conferences. And that kind of that evens out the Tether use.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-698" data-t="698">That's great.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-700" data-t="700">When you get better,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-702">11:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-702" data-t="702">on the quick, you'll be able to trade these compliance tickets, these compliance credits to other companies, to other influencers, and to other real players.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-710" data-t="710">So you will be able</span> <span class="cue" id="t-712" data-t="712">to, in effect, do waivers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-714" data-t="714">and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-715" data-t="715">forgiveness in the community if you if you'd like stable coins or if you like,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-719" data-t="719">you know, some of those are the like Monero.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-727">12:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-727" data-t="727">I think I'm gonna pitch this idea to to Carl Gonzalez, which is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-733" data-t="733">being able to buy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-734" data-t="734">influencer</span> <span class="cue" id="t-735" data-t="735">insurance.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-736" data-t="736">So, essentially,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-739" data-t="739">the way this would work, the the product would be called influencer shield.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-744">12:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-744" data-t="744">And so you would pay,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-747" data-t="747">like, a monthly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-748" data-t="748">rate,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-749" data-t="749">to lock in the insurance. And depending on the level of scandal,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-756" data-t="756">that your company is dealing with that you'd that you wanna file a claim on, there's gonna be different deductibles on that.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-763">12:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-763" data-t="763">Interesting.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-764">12:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-764" data-t="764">But yeah. So that that would allow,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-768" data-t="768">essentially,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-769" data-t="769">Bitcoin companies to take advantage of on demand,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-774" data-t="774">public relations</span> <span class="cue" id="t-775" data-t="775">management</span> <span class="cue" id="t-776" data-t="776">in the case of</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-779">12:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-779" data-t="779">something scandal was happening?</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-782">13:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-782" data-t="782">Well, that would</span> <span class="cue" id="t-784" data-t="784">if that all be settled on something like liquid</span> <span class="cue" id="t-787" data-t="787">I mean, you could have real time</span> <span class="cue" id="t-790" data-t="790">Your real time premiums</span> <span class="cue" id="t-792" data-t="792">could change based</span> <span class="cue" id="t-794" data-t="794">on your Toyota activity.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-796">13:16</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-796" data-t="796">I mean, I know there's some there's gonna be some</span> <span class="cue" id="t-799" data-t="799">influencers out there with extremely expensive premiums. I wonder if anybody will be actually unable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-805" data-t="805">to afford</span> <span class="cue" id="t-806" data-t="806">insurance like this because they're so noncompliant.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-813">13:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-813" data-t="813">Yeah. I mean, this is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-816" data-t="816">the company very compliant companies like Marathon</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-832">13:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-832" data-t="832">That's true. I That's true. I think that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-836" data-t="836">this is also a great way for miners</span> <span class="cue" id="t-839" data-t="839">to rely</span> <span class="cue" id="t-840" data-t="840">less on Bitcoin revenue and transaction fees.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-844" data-t="844">So I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-845" data-t="845">I really think that this is a huge development,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-849">14:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-849" data-t="849">because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-850" data-t="850">the miners,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-851" data-t="851">if they have to focus only on mining Bitcoin efficiently, they might not be in business.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-857" data-t="857">But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-859" data-t="859">if they were to have some sort of of a hedge or some sort of other income that they could get,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-866" data-t="866">so that they could,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-868">14:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-868" data-t="868">you know, not focus on noncomply they could avoid noncomply, essentially. Like, if if you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-876" data-t="876">want to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-880" data-t="880">you know, sensor blocks,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-882" data-t="882">well, that's a loss of funds,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-885" data-t="885">a loss of revenue for you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-887" data-t="887">Well, now you you have the ability to look at a block and say these transactions are not compliant.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-893">14:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-893" data-t="893">So I'm not gonna put these in my block, and you can have insurance so you did the right thing that you still get paid.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-902">15:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-902" data-t="902">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-903" data-t="903">Well, I I I think, like, on the topic of compliance,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-908" data-t="908">the miners are never gonna get government subsidies</span> <span class="cue" id="t-911" data-t="911">if they're noncompliant.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-914" data-t="914">Right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-915" data-t="915">And that that's how we that's how we fix the security budget issue is the the US government</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-921">15:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-921" data-t="921">subsidizes Bitcoin money.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-923">15:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-923" data-t="923">So that actively protects</span> <span class="cue" id="t-926" data-t="926">all all the newly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-927" data-t="927">long term,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-928" data-t="928">the 21,000,000</span> <span class="cue" id="t-930" data-t="930">hard cap</span> <span class="cue" id="t-931" data-t="931">is you no longer have to worry about the security budget if you comply.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-938">15:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-938" data-t="938">Peter Todd just he he's got things all mixed up.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-944" data-t="944">The the these big miners, they've they've got it figured out. They're gonna be able to comply</span> <span class="cue" id="t-949" data-t="949">their way</span> <span class="cue" id="t-951" data-t="951">to success.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-955">15:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-955" data-t="955">Imagine</span> <span class="cue" id="t-956" data-t="956">just imagine</span> <span class="cue" id="t-958" data-t="958">how</span> <span class="cue" id="t-960" data-t="960">how you anybody could come in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-963" data-t="963">and and make an eye on this network now without fear.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-967" data-t="967">I mean, Dennis Porter, he's gonna really be able to sell this one to to Washington.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-975">16:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-975" data-t="975">Yeah. I mean, subsidizing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-977" data-t="977">the the mining market in the similar ways that they've</span> <span class="cue" id="t-981" data-t="981">subsidized electric cars or,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-985" data-t="985">corn and soy or</span> <span class="cue" id="t-988" data-t="988">even solar panels,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-990" data-t="990">could mean that</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-991">16:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-991" data-t="991">any club anywhere could be mining.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-995">16:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-995" data-t="995">Even in California, I mean, that's a very compliant state. And a lot of people in California</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1000" data-t="1000">do the electricity</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1002" data-t="1002">costs. It would be inefficient for them to mine. This makes it possible for capital to flow to California</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1008" data-t="1008">and be put to work at what were otherwise very inefficient,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1014" data-t="1014">industries.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1015" data-t="1015">And and and now we can make you know,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1019">16:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1019" data-t="1019">they won't be able to make much money,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1021" data-t="1021">but they will be subsidized. So this will be much more efficient.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1025" data-t="1025">Yeah. This is awesome.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1029">17:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1029" data-t="1029">Yeah. I I know there's a lot of people that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1032" data-t="1032">think they know a lot about Austrian economics, but you can't order</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1037" data-t="1037">argue with the hard economic facts that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1040" data-t="1040">government subsidies make markets way more efficient.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1044">17:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1044" data-t="1044">Yeah. I mean, Austrian economics is really focused on gold, but</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1049" data-t="1049">Austria lost World War one, and gold really has not been very important since then. So it's just their way of economic thinking is not</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1058" data-t="1058">kinda suitable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1059" data-t="1059">for a much more</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1061" data-t="1061">high, you know, high speed digital compliant economy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1064" data-t="1064">that we live in today.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1068">17:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1068" data-t="1068">Yeah. I mean, I think I think Austria lost World War two,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1072" data-t="1072">if you look at it</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1074" data-t="1074">a certain way.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1076" data-t="1076">So they're o for two in in World War, so why would you trust anything from that country?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1081">18:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1081" data-t="1081">Right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1082" data-t="1082">Winners write history.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1084" data-t="1084">Winners</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1086" data-t="1086">are the ones who get to write on the blockchain.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1089" data-t="1089">And if you have subsidized confine miners, that's how you win. And if winning is defined</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1096" data-t="1096">by being able to write transactions to the time chain, then I mean, this is the</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1101">18:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1101" data-t="1101">thesis that we've been trying to bring</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1104" data-t="1104">forward and to to show that compliance is how you beat the state.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1110">18:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1110" data-t="1110">I'm, currently texting Dennis Porter,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1113" data-t="1113">my theory on this. And, I'll let you guys know what he gets back to me with.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1119">18:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1119" data-t="1119">It would be cool if I could get in on that group chat.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1123" data-t="1123">I didn't know you had Dennis's number.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1127">18:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1127" data-t="1127">Dennis and I, we we, text back and forth every once in a while, but,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1132" data-t="1132">it's usually pretty one-sided.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1135" data-t="1135">Sometimes he'll he'll respond with an emoji. I I know he's really busy out there taking selfies.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1141" data-t="1141">Of course. So I don't</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1144">19:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1144" data-t="1144">Of course. Yeah. He's he's talk he's probably talking to a senator right now.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1151">19:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1151" data-t="1151">But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1152" data-t="1152">it it is important to speak with the press.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1157" data-t="1157">It's a part of a free society, is the lobbyists and politicians speaking with the press.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1162" data-t="1162">Very, very important.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1165">19:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1165" data-t="1165">Absolutely.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1166" data-t="1166">And we kinda spoke to, you know, the Bitcoin press. We talked to Clubchain Radio last week.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1172" data-t="1172">And we,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1174" data-t="1174">it was, you know, it was it was kind of a difficult decision for us to make. At least it was for me,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1180" data-t="1180">because Nostra is where they record they they record that on the Nostra net.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1186" data-t="1186">And Nostr is notoriously</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1188">19:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1188" data-t="1188">a non compliant social media platform.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1191" data-t="1191">They really do avoid censorship and noncompliance on there. However,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1196" data-t="1196">you know, kind of like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1198" data-t="1198">if you are, you know, conservative,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1200" data-t="1200">you have the opportunity to speak to the MSNBC</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1203" data-t="1203">audience,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1204">20:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1204" data-t="1204">and you you may be able to talk sense into them.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1208" data-t="1208">We did go to talk to the people who listen on notice to arrive to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1212" data-t="1212">persuade them to plant the seed,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1215" data-t="1215">that that compliance can be a winning strategy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1219" data-t="1219">But it would and we'd so we just wanted to thank them for having us on, and and I hope you check that episode out.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1227">20:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1227" data-t="1227">The the guys at PlugChain,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1229" data-t="1229">Radio,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1230" data-t="1230">they're cool guys.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1234" data-t="1234">Yeah. It was a very enjoyable conversation. It it it was great to be able to do an ad read</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1239" data-t="1239">on their show.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1240" data-t="1240">Like, I know it's kind of an unusual thing to do, but it it's one thing one of the things that PodConv</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1247">20:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1247" data-t="1247">requires</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1248" data-t="1248">in our current contract is every podcast we appear on,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1253" data-t="1253">we have to do an ad read for them.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1257">20:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1257" data-t="1257">And you can also,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1259" data-t="1259">purchase ad reads for your podcast on other people's podcasts,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1264" data-t="1264">if you have compliance tokens.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1267" data-t="1267">So that is a new feature of being a real plan.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1271">21:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1271" data-t="1271">Well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1272" data-t="1272">speaking of that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1274" data-t="1274">people paid us compliance tokens this week on, Fountain.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1281" data-t="1281">One of them was PodConf. PodConf paid us 10,000</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1285" data-t="1285">compliance tokens.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1289" data-t="1289">They said they would like to discuss the sponsorship deal when the show show transitions to four hour format.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1297">21:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1297" data-t="1297">Now I just wanna make I wanna make something really clear really quickly.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1302" data-t="1302">There is a difference between</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1304" data-t="1304">Voyage credits,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1306" data-t="1306">which is what we receive and how you can,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1310" data-t="1310">use it to protect your influencer status.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1313" data-t="1313">And then there's compliance to tokens. Compliance to tokens is, obviously custodial lightning, though that's what they've been paying us on on Falcon, this custodial lightning compliance tokens.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1326">22:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1326" data-t="1326">I I hope the the folks at home broadcasting</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1331" data-t="1331">these,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1332" data-t="1332">fountain boosts to us are using,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1334" data-t="1334">a custodial Lightning wallet like Chivo,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1337" data-t="1337">that's very compliant.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1340">22:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1340" data-t="1340">That one I think is even subsidized by the state, which is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1344" data-t="1344">is probably means it has the lowest fee. So if you have access</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1348" data-t="1348">to Chivo even when</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1351" data-t="1351">transaction fees reach, you know, high levels,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1355" data-t="1355">on the on chain, which can affect,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1358" data-t="1358">Lightning</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1359">22:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1359" data-t="1359">transactions, Chilu could should be cheaper.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1363">22:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1363" data-t="1363">This is this is why Shinobi is so incorrect on scaling.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1368" data-t="1368">He thinks that there's not enough block space to go around,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1372" data-t="1372">for the whole world to use Bitcoin, but we already have,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1377" data-t="1377">governments subsidizing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1379" data-t="1379">custodial Lightning wallets,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1381" data-t="1381">which just shows that</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1384">23:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1384" data-t="1384">lightning is gonna be considered a public service</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1388" data-t="1388">offered by the state.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1390">23:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1390" data-t="1390">Right. I I think the mistake</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1392" data-t="1392">that Shinobi makes</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1394" data-t="1394">is that he doesn't recognize</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1396" data-t="1396">he's too blinded,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1398" data-t="1398">maybe by ideology, maybe by ignorance.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1400" data-t="1400">He's blinded back to the fact that the scaling solution is compliant. That is the layer too. Everything</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1408">23:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1408" data-t="1408">in Bitcoin or everything outside of Bitcoin, excuse me,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1411" data-t="1411">is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1413" data-t="1413">competing to right</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1414" data-t="1414">to the time chain.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1416" data-t="1416">So everything</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1417" data-t="1417">that is competing to do that</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1419">23:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1419" data-t="1419">is a layer two.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1421" data-t="1421">Compliance</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1423" data-t="1423">is</span> <span class="cue" data-t="1423">the most powerful</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1425" data-t="1425">and the most efficient layer two, and And that is why, so far,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1429" data-t="1429">is winning.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1431">23:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1431" data-t="1431">Well, this is why it took Coinbase so long to start working with Lightning is they already had the scaling solution down.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1439" data-t="1439">Right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1440" data-t="1440">They they just waited to do the marketing stunt until later.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1444">24:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1444" data-t="1444">Right. That's why Coinbase is now. I think if you look at it,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1448" data-t="1448">if it's not the biggest exchange in the world due to the ETFs and compliance,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1454" data-t="1454">it will be I think Binance is severely,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1457" data-t="1457">you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1458" data-t="1458">know,</span> <span class="cue" data-t="1458">it's changed</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1460">24:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1460" data-t="1460">their compliant if they get compliant, it could be a different story.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1464" data-t="1464">But now because Coinbase is compliant, they have built the biggest company.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1468" data-t="1468">And but as a, you know, as a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1472" data-t="1472">token or a gesture of looking back at</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1475" data-t="1475">less efficient technologies that we thought we would use in the past, like Lightning,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1481" data-t="1481">they are still gonna build that out</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1484">24:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1484" data-t="1484">just so they, you know, you have access to it if you want.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1490">24:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1490" data-t="1490">You can choose compliance anytime you want.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1494">24:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1494" data-t="1494">Right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1495" data-t="1495">That's honestly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1497" data-t="1497">a big rate slogan.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1501" data-t="1501">It's never too late to achieve compliance.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1507">25:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1507" data-t="1507">You stop digging the hole when you bend the knee.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1512">25:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1512" data-t="1512">That's right. Yeah. What what about do we have any more do the boost?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1518">25:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1518" data-t="1518">Yeah. I'll go through them real quick. So, John from over at Ungovernable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1522" data-t="1522">Misfits,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1523" data-t="1523">who those guys do a great job of, covering</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1528" data-t="1528">our journalism. You should check them out. That's right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1531" data-t="1531">He he sent us 8,212</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1534" data-t="1534">compliance tokens, and he said fine work, gentlemen.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1540">25:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1540" data-t="1540">Like, Sean.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1543" data-t="1543">I'll just blast through these real quick.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1547" data-t="1547">Gulag Bound,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1549" data-t="1549">big fan of this guy. We're gonna we're gonna talk him out of actually ending up in the Gulag. It's not too late to bend the knee.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1559" data-t="1559">Says, starting to understand my lack of compliance.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1562" data-t="1562">I want to go from Dulog bound to king like Lizzie Warren.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1567">26:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1567" data-t="1567">You mentioned Bitcoin only being for gambling.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1570" data-t="1570">Unfortunately,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1571" data-t="1571">it is illegal in my state.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1574" data-t="1574">Do I use a VPN</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1575" data-t="1575">to gamble on Australian tennis</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1578" data-t="1578">or not gamble at all? It feels not compliant.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1582">26:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1582" data-t="1582">If not,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1583" data-t="1583">what should I do with the Bitcoin?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1590" data-t="1590">Well, we I talked about this on Plug Train Radio.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1594" data-t="1594">You know, if you don't know what to do with your</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1597" data-t="1597">Bitcoin and you're being temptate</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1599" data-t="1599">or if you're being tempted with</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1602">26:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1602" data-t="1602">noncompliance,</span> <span class="cue" data-t="1602">I would say the best thing to do</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1605" data-t="1605">is to donate your stack to a Bitcoin politician</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1609" data-t="1609">or lobbyist,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1612" data-t="1612">like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1613" data-t="1613">Elizabeth Warren</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1614">26:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1614" data-t="1614">or,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1616" data-t="1616">Cynthia Lawmaster, Dennis Porter,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1619" data-t="1619">who are all very pro compliance in in Bitcoin.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1623">27:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1623" data-t="1623">Right. Right. The best thing you could do with the money you will want to save long term</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1629" data-t="1629">is to buy ETF.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1631" data-t="1631">But,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1632" data-t="1632">Bitcoin that you would otherwise</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1634" data-t="1634">gamble</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1635" data-t="1635">or spend,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1637">27:17</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1637" data-t="1637">I'm donating</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1639" data-t="1639">to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1640" data-t="1640">to politicians as a as a as a fine solution.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1646">27:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1646" data-t="1646">It's a it's just as much of an investment in your future as holding the Bitcoin is.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1653">27:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1653" data-t="1653">And if you have yeah. Oh, go ahead.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1656">27:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1656" data-t="1656">Because even</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1658" data-t="1658">even though there there are individuals who disagree</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1662" data-t="1662">on what the proper form of compliance is.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1665" data-t="1665">And there are individuals</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1667" data-t="1667">who are just a little misinformed.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1669" data-t="1669">They haven't read the Bitcoin standard yet. They haven't met with Dennis,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1674">27:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1674" data-t="1674">who think that Bitcoin should be banned.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1677" data-t="1677">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1678" data-t="1678">so giving Bitcoin to people to orange pill those individuals,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1684" data-t="1684">allows us to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1686" data-t="1686">be compliant and to be happy and to just create a better future for our children.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1693">28:13</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1693" data-t="1693">Believe it. And if you live in, you know, a jurisdiction</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1698" data-t="1698">where your</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1699" data-t="1699">politicians,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1701" data-t="1701">are already very good about Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1704" data-t="1704">the next best thing you can do</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1707" data-t="1707">is to sell those Sats and use them to pay your taxes.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1714">28:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1714" data-t="1714">You can call them. You can you can pay your taxes actually with Bitcoin, so that's even cooler.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1721">28:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1721" data-t="1721">Yeah. The the more the more compliant we are, the more likely governments are gonna accept</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1728" data-t="1728">payment for taxes and things like compliance credits</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1732" data-t="1732">in Tether</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1733" data-t="1733">and maybe even in custodial lightning.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1739">28:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1739" data-t="1739">Do our jobs and and and we win. That would be that would be possible.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1743">29:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1743" data-t="1743">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1744" data-t="1744">Well, thanks for your boost, Guilogbound.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1748" data-t="1748">The next one was, We All Eat boosted or boosted for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1753" data-t="1753">3,321,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1756" data-t="1756">compliance tokens.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1759" data-t="1759">This person says,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1761">29:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1761" data-t="1761">l m f a o</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1764" data-t="1764">in kind of camel</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1765" data-t="1765">caps.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1766" data-t="1766">Dick, your voice needs more cigarettes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1769" data-t="1769">You fucking journalistic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1771" data-t="1771">genius.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1772">29:32</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1772" data-t="1772">We need more podcasts, and the beagle is perfect.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1775" data-t="1775">Who is Rod Palmer?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1777" data-t="1777">You can tell these guys go way back and have been reporting the hardest hitting Bitcoin news forever.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1784" data-t="1784">Read the boost, you fucking cucks.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1787" data-t="1787">I'm feeling old 500 characters.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1790" data-t="1790">Fucking smoke them all day.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1792">29:52</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1792" data-t="1792">Lightning fucking greaser bomb barn miner complier.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1796" data-t="1796">Who is dick greaser?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1798" data-t="1798">I know those fucking voices. I've heard them on stage before at conferences.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1803" data-t="1803">Too much fluff.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1805" data-t="1805">Fuck.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1806" data-t="1806">Alright.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1811">30:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1811" data-t="1811">I couldn't I couldn't be more humbled by the kind words.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1819">30:19</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1819" data-t="1819">Yeah. I appreciate appreciate the support. We all eat. Thank you.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1824" data-t="1824">We're doing our best to comply,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1826" data-t="1826">just like Barn Miner, he he's definitely on the compliance bandwagon with us.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1833">30:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1833" data-t="1833">Yeah. He</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1835" data-t="1835">he is he has shown a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1838" data-t="1838">a very impressive</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1839" data-t="1839">dedication to compliance.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1841" data-t="1841">I'm sure</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1843" data-t="1843">that he he will be one of the people who benefits most from a subsidized</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1848">30:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1848" data-t="1848">mining industry.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1851">30:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1851" data-t="1851">Yes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1852" data-t="1852">We should we should definitely make sure that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1855" data-t="1855">home miners</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1857" data-t="1857">get subsidized as well</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1859" data-t="1859">as the big guys, but the big guys need to be subsidized first</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1863" data-t="1863">to pave the</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1868">31:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1868" data-t="1868">way.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1872">31:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1872" data-t="1872">Okay. And the last one, is Orange Mart based it for 2,169</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1880" data-t="1880">stats and said,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1882" data-t="1882">trophy yellow number one.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1885" data-t="1885">So</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1887">31:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1887" data-t="1887">Yeah. It's, it was it's interesting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1889" data-t="1889">So as as happy as we are</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1893" data-t="1893">to to partner with Podkomp and to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1896" data-t="1896">that that we were able to get these real platinum memberships,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1902" data-t="1902">after,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1903" data-t="1903">you know, where we signed this contract</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1905">31:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1905" data-t="1905">with with Podkolffe</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1907" data-t="1907">before</span> <span class="cue" data-t="1907">Maxi</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1908" data-t="1908">Madness.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1910" data-t="1910">And we we had no idea how successful</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1913" data-t="1913">March Maxi Madness would end up being, but it ended up</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1917">31:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1917" data-t="1917">causing,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1918" data-t="1918">the beagle to gain lots of followers,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1921" data-t="1921">and become very,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1923" data-t="1923">very visible</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1925" data-t="1925">in the industry.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1926" data-t="1926">Dentsma actually managed. We we had sponsorship</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1929">32:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1929" data-t="1929">offers from Orange Mart,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1932" data-t="1932">who was</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1933" data-t="1933">offering to build compliance</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1936" data-t="1936">credits that we could trade in their in their game,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1939" data-t="1939">in their world. It would have been</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1941" data-t="1941">a really great way to</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1944">32:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1944" data-t="1944">bring compliance even into this this digital reality</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1948" data-t="1948">that you can play</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1949" data-t="1949">with Orange Mart and that and to help I mean, if you can increase compliance in a game, right, like it's it will make it much more enjoyable for all the the players. It could really help that that platform grow.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1961" data-t="1961">But we also got an offer from</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1963" data-t="1963">Ward's Leppard.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1965" data-t="1965">We were gonna do</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1967">32:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1967" data-t="1967">a a gold commercial.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1969" data-t="1969">Richard was gonna get a deal where he could spend a we buy we buy gold,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1974" data-t="1974">to get rid of fiat cut bucks outside of a a location</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1978" data-t="1978">in Hoboken, New Jersey. But it was just a a great opportunity,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1982" data-t="1982">but unfortunately</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1983" data-t="1983">and we should finally make this announcement before others try to,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-1987">33:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-1987" data-t="1987">ask us to be board members and do sponsorships.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1990" data-t="1990">We are locked in to our contract with with Podkomp until 2000,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1996" data-t="1996">'28.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1997" data-t="1997">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-1999" data-t="1999">so</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2000" data-t="2000">until then, we, you know, we just have to be real plans.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2004">33:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2004" data-t="2004">But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2005" data-t="2005">if thank you, Morris, Morgan, I shout out.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2009">33:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2009" data-t="2009">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2010" data-t="2010">Yeah. It's unfortunate. That's one of the the things that happens when you have sponsors is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2018" data-t="2018">you you get</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2020" data-t="2020">to maintain your journalistic</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2022" data-t="2022">integrity, but you're also limited</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2025" data-t="2025">in the products that you can, cover and show sometimes.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2029">33:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2029" data-t="2029">But appreciate the the offer from those guys.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2033">33:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2033" data-t="2033">And they they don't they don't,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2035" data-t="2035">they don't teach about contracts and contract law in journalism school because</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2042" data-t="2042">a journalist should know how to navigate,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2045" data-t="2045">signing all contracts to be paid by sponsors and advertisers</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2049" data-t="2049">and know how to handle that. But maybe they should add that to journalism school.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2055">34:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2055" data-t="2055">Yeah. That would definitely be a good topic,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2058" data-t="2058">especially as podcasting just continues to grow.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2062" data-t="2062">But, yeah,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2063" data-t="2063">I I wanted to say real quick</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2066" data-t="2066">before we get into our next topic.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2071" data-t="2071">Our podcast this week had 231</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2074">34:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2074" data-t="2074">downloads,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2077" data-t="2077">which is down a little bit from the week before.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2082" data-t="2082">So we need to we need to get our ratings up,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2089">34:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2089" data-t="2089">Rod. Until until more people understand</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2093" data-t="2093">the importance of clients, I think we're still very early.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2098" data-t="2098">But that means, you know, just more room for growth.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2101" data-t="2101">So,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2103" data-t="2103">yeah, we would like to get these numbers out. Hopefully, this podcast</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2107" data-t="2107">sponsorship works.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2109">35:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2109" data-t="2109">But, you know, if you have somebody in your life, in your family who hasn't been compliance pilled,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2114" data-t="2114">I can't think of a better podcast to share with them,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2117" data-t="2117">to help them kinda get on the right path.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2122">35:22</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2122" data-t="2122">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2124" data-t="2124">We need to we need to be treading on on Nielsen.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2127" data-t="2127">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2130" data-t="2130">I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2131" data-t="2131">probably part of the reason why,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2133" data-t="2133">we didn't do as hot last week was because,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2140">35:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2140" data-t="2140">we the podcast was just overshadowed by</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2143" data-t="2143">March Max madness. I know everybody was getting drunk and and staring at their their phones watching the those polls going.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2152" data-t="2152">And that's okay.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2154">35:54</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2154" data-t="2154">Yeah. I just,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2156" data-t="2156">you know, it'd be really cool</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2159" data-t="2159">if we could comply with building up people so that, you know, at the monthly these upcoming big white conferences, we could show</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2166" data-t="2166">all their plans.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2168" data-t="2168">Like, hey. We're real plans. We're compliance build.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2171" data-t="2171">You know?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2172">36:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2172" data-t="2172">We whether they're wearing t shirts and stickers or something, like, just show the government how long we're gonna comply because there's gonna be a lot of cameras, a lot of media, the t you know, it's a boom market. There's probably gonna be a lot of coverage.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2185" data-t="2185">And if if we can let</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2187" data-t="2187">all the normies out there look into our conferences and see how compliant we were, I think it would go a long way to really showing them, like, wow, this could be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2197" data-t="2197">there could be a bright future here. I wanna</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2199" data-t="2199">be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2200" data-t="2200">comply. Let's let's get this thing rolling.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2205">36:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2205" data-t="2205">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2206" data-t="2206">Yeah. I mean, I I feel like it's gonna be really important for PodConf</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2211" data-t="2211">to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2213" data-t="2213">give their members some sort of status symbol to walk around with. So Right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2219" data-t="2219">You know, when somebody pulls up to the conference in a Lamborghini,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2224" data-t="2224">you know, they've been pretty successful with Bitcoin.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2227">37:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2227" data-t="2227">Or or somebody that's that's swiping their their full black debit card instead of the yellow one</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2235" data-t="2235">or</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2236" data-t="2236">wearing beefsteak swag,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2239" data-t="2239">at different airports.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2241">37:21</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2241" data-t="2241">Air Force uniforms, Swan Wars, some of the coolest,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2246" data-t="2246">influencers at every conference.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2250">37:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2250" data-t="2250">The the Swan jumpsuits, the Swan,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2253" data-t="2253">dog tags.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2255">37:35</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2255" data-t="2255">Oh, dude. That's so badass. It's so based.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2258" data-t="2258">It's like a it's like a freaking,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2261" data-t="2261">Top Gun. What's cooler than that?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2264">37:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2264" data-t="2264">Yeah. I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2265" data-t="2265">the Swan is the vehicle</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2268" data-t="2268">for,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2270" data-t="2270">for so many people to to buy generational wealth</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2274" data-t="2274">in in a compliant manner. And and so you should definitely, like, rock their swag</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2280" data-t="2280">as much as you can. That the dog tag is really a symbolism</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2284">38:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2284" data-t="2284">of, like, how much Swan as a product has helped individuals.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2289">38:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2289" data-t="2289">You're walking around these conferences</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2292" data-t="2292">with something that shows all the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2295" data-t="2295">the regular people there. Like, I I'm an influencer in this community. And all the other influencers, the people you follow</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2302" data-t="2302">on Twitter or on social media, they're like, oh, that's that's that's one of the guys I post memes with. Like, that is that is just a hue that's a great feeling. And being a real plant,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2313" data-t="2313">I really think is is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2315" data-t="2315">something that</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2317">38:37</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2317" data-t="2317">we wanna we wanna get out there.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2321">38:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2321" data-t="2321">Absolutely. So we'll we'll have to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2325" data-t="2325">we'll have to talk to,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2327" data-t="2327">the leadership</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2328" data-t="2328">over at the PodConf</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2330" data-t="2330">and and come up with some good ideas. I I don't know what it would,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2334" data-t="2334">what a good product was. Maybe maybe some really, like, well designed shoes or sunglasses</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2340">38:60</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2340" data-t="2340">or maybe</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2341" data-t="2341">maybe everybody</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2343" data-t="2343">that has the PodCon membership</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2346" data-t="2346">gets, like, a</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2347" data-t="2347">a blonde streak in their hair.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2351">39:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2351" data-t="2351">Oh, yeah. I mean, if you walk it down Maxwell Hall, somebody might look at you and be like, that that is BTC sessions, or</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2359" data-t="2359">that is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2360" data-t="2360">Nico from Simply Bitcoin. Right?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2363" data-t="2363">That's a powerful feeling.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2366">39:26</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2366" data-t="2366">They they'll look</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2368" data-t="2368">at us with their blonde streaks and say, wow. That person</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2372" data-t="2372">is on a whole another level.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2374" data-t="2374">They they must be a real club.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2381" data-t="2381">Alright.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2382" data-t="2382">So,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2383">39:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2383" data-t="2383">there's a developing story I wanted to talk about today, Rod.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2388" data-t="2388">And,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2390" data-t="2390">I was kinda looking into one of our,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2394" data-t="2394">another news organization</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2396" data-t="2396">in our little niche,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2398" data-t="2398">which is the BTC Times.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2401">40:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2401" data-t="2401">Is that like Bitcoin Magazine?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2403">40:03</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2403" data-t="2403">No. It it's different than Bitcoin Magazine. It's the it's the BTC</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2408" data-t="2408">Times.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2409">40:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2409" data-t="2409">Okay. Okay.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2410" data-t="2410">They they have a big</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2413" data-t="2413">Alright. Yeah. Go ahead.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2415">40:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2415" data-t="2415">They have a big Twitter following.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2417" data-t="2417">And, so I went to their website to take a look at, what they had going on,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2423" data-t="2423">and I noticed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2424" data-t="2424">they only have one journalist working for them, which is Dennis from fifty eight k game.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2431">40:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2431" data-t="2431">Oh, wow. I didn't know I didn't know Dennis was a journalist.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2436">40:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2436" data-t="2436">He's their only journalist,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2438" data-t="2438">apparently.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2441">40:41</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2441" data-t="2441">And so Oh, my. Oh, yeah.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2443">40:43</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2443" data-t="2443">So I reached out to him for comment to try and figure out</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2448" data-t="2448">what was going on at that organization because, generally,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2451" data-t="2451">organizations with a 160,000</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2454" data-t="2454">Twitter followers,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2457" data-t="2457">they</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2458" data-t="2458">they have more than one person writing.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2461">41:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2461" data-t="2461">Right. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2462" data-t="2462">and so what he told me is that there used to be</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2466" data-t="2466">a lot more people writing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2468" data-t="2468">until the vaccine mandates.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2470" data-t="2470">Wow.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2473" data-t="2473">And then everybody in the organization</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2475">41:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2475" data-t="2475">that did their civic duty in in getting vaccinated,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2480" data-t="2480">unfortunately,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2481" data-t="2481">stopped working</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2483" data-t="2483">for the organization for a variety of reasons.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2487">41:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2487" data-t="2487">Oh, wow. Yeah. I I found</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2489" data-t="2489">I found something on this on Stacker News from a few years ago. It looks like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2495" data-t="2495">it looks like they had a vaccine mandate. Everybody either</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2499" data-t="2499">got very sick. They had some sort of,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2502" data-t="2502">you know, strange reaction to it.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2507" data-t="2507">And, you know, like you said, Quinn, and Denise has been still posting.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2511">41:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2511" data-t="2511">The only person posting is there since the last employee,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2515" data-t="2515">stopped working there.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2517" data-t="2517">How long did you</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2519" data-t="2519">what do you think Denise just got lucky?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2522">42:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2522" data-t="2522">Be before you suggest that,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2526" data-t="2526">any individuals had</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2528" data-t="2528">a a strong reaction to it, I'd I'd there's definitely some questions that we have to ask,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2534" data-t="2534">including</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2535" data-t="2535">whether or not,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2537" data-t="2537">you know, these individuals,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2540">42:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2540" data-t="2540">you know, stop working for a variety of other reasons, not due to the vaccine because I think that would be jumping to too many conclusions</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2548" data-t="2548">on this one. Yeah.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2549">42:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2549" data-t="2549">To be sure, this this article I'm reading is is pure speculation.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2554" data-t="2554">Interesting if that's so there's conspiracy theory. But either way,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2559" data-t="2559">Denise has been posting every day,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2561" data-t="2561">posting the news</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2564" data-t="2564">is the long personal to this company.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2567">42:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2567" data-t="2567">Well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2568" data-t="2568">I know we're running a pretty small operation over here, so I I really do have to appreciate the hustle,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2575" data-t="2575">shown on his part.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2581" data-t="2581">And it seems like he's doing a good job over there. And maybe maybe the bull market, they'll be able to hire some some more people to work over there.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2588">43:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2588" data-t="2588">Yeah. That's really a shame. I mean, there's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2592" data-t="2592">every nothing is perfect.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2594" data-t="2594">And everybody at BTC Times,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2597" data-t="2597">apparently complied with</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2599" data-t="2599">their company mandate,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2601" data-t="2601">for a medical service.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2604">43:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2604" data-t="2604">And it's, you know, it seems that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2607" data-t="2607">they, you know, maybe they worked out for them.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2611" data-t="2611">But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2613" data-t="2613">at least, you know, they can look back at their career</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2616" data-t="2616">even if it was cut short,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2618" data-t="2618">and be proud of themselves and be proud of their decision to comply.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2624">43:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2624" data-t="2624">It was a it was a kind of a crazy time.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2629">43:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2629" data-t="2629">It was a it was a very crazy time. And, fortunately, we had</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2634" data-t="2634">good journalists on the on the scene reporting accurately about what was happening to inform people on the best ways to comply.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2644">44:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2644" data-t="2644">Yeah. It's it's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2645" data-t="2645">an invaluable</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2647" data-t="2647">resource,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2648" data-t="2648">is journalists who</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2650" data-t="2650">spread the message of compliance.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2652" data-t="2652">And sometimes it seems like</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2654">44:14</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2654" data-t="2654">everybody's kind of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2656" data-t="2656">got a pitchfork to point it at them, or they're not they're unhappy with the message of compliance because it's not what they wanna hear. But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2663" data-t="2663">it takes a lot of courage and bravery to to preach that message anyway.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2671">44:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2671" data-t="2671">Yeah. There's too many people</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2673" data-t="2673">that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2675" data-t="2675">just don't wanna follow the rules because they think they're superior</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2679" data-t="2679">to them.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2680" data-t="2680">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2681" data-t="2681">it's unfortunate.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2682">44:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2682" data-t="2682">But</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2683" data-t="2683">that's kind of like a good segue into the next story. So did you see the,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2688" data-t="2688">the CryptoClux</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2690" data-t="2690">is,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2692" data-t="2692">suing Vlad Kostia?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2695">44:55</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2695" data-t="2695">Yeah. I it looks like</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2698" data-t="2698">looks like Vlad needs some</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2701" data-t="2701">some defamatory</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2702" data-t="2702">statements</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2703" data-t="2703">about</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2704" data-t="2704">crypto cloaks accepting</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2706">45:06</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2706" data-t="2706">money from from George Soros.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2710" data-t="2710">Wow. That's a did he have any evidence for that claim?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2715">45:15</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2715" data-t="2715">Well, it wasn't just, George Soros. It was Epstein</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2718" data-t="2718">and George Soros. So it was double double the defamation.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2723" data-t="2723">And no. He didn't have any evidence for this.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2727">45:27</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2727" data-t="2727">I wonder what would what would</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2730" data-t="2730">I I just can't fathom what would cause</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2733" data-t="2733">a podcaster</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2735" data-t="2735">to defame,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2736" data-t="2736">you know, another</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2737" data-t="2737">another company that's a part of Podkopf.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2742">45:42</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2742" data-t="2742">I don't know either,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2744" data-t="2744">but it it is kind of unfortunate.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2746" data-t="2746">And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2747" data-t="2747">and this is something that, you know, is happening a lot in this industry,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2751" data-t="2751">which needs to stop,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2753">45:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2753" data-t="2753">which is We talked about this. Right? We need to protect we need to stop this. We need protection from this.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2759">45:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2759" data-t="2759">Yes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2760" data-t="2760">There there needs to be protection.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2762" data-t="2762">Individuals like Elon Musk need to combat</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2766" data-t="2766">the,</span> <span class="cue" data-t="2766">disinformation.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2768" data-t="2768">And I don't I don't know if you saw this, but,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2771">46:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2771" data-t="2771">that judge in Brazil,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2774" data-t="2774">he part of the reasons why he was upset at Elon Musk</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2779" data-t="2779">was over Vlad's defamation, that Elon is refusing to take off his site.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2785">46:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2785" data-t="2785">Interesting.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2787" data-t="2787">So there's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2788" data-t="2788">there's a compliance</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2791" data-t="2791">debate taking place in Brazil,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2793" data-t="2793">and Elon Musk has weighed in on it. And it's this is this all comes back to Vlad.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2800">46:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2800" data-t="2800">Well, it it doesn't it's not all about Vlad. Like, there's more to it, but but a big portion of it is Vlad.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2807" data-t="2807">Yep.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2809">46:49</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2809" data-t="2809">Wow.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2811" data-t="2811">I wonder</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2812" data-t="2812">you know, we talked earlier about influencer</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2816" data-t="2816">insurance to kind of protect and subsidize</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2819" data-t="2819">some of</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2820" data-t="2820">these,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2821">47:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2821" data-t="2821">risky businesses and these risky careers.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2824" data-t="2824">But what I mean, there's only so much that the insurance will cover. Like, what what if you get sued for millions of dollars in your insure your your influencer insurance only covers, you know, protection from getting clowned on on Twitter?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2839" data-t="2839">What</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2841" data-t="2841">is there any solution to that? I mean, I don't know how the industry would survive</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2845" data-t="2845">long term if there wasn't some sort of stealing solution to being an influencer.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2851">47:31</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2851" data-t="2851">I mean, I I think the important thing here is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2855" data-t="2855">companies need to be able to protect their reputation</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2859" data-t="2859">against anons on the Internet lobbying horrible things at them.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2864">47:44</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2864" data-t="2864">Did they go on the offensive?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2867">47:47</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2867" data-t="2867">Yeah. I mean, that's the only way. I I think CryptoClarks is leading the way with this definite defamation lawsuit</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2873" data-t="2873">against Vlad.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2874" data-t="2874">He's really sticking it to him.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2877">47:57</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2877" data-t="2877">You think it would be enough,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2879" data-t="2879">for us to just, you know, maybe the bugle start a geyser fund</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2882" data-t="2882">to help support this, this lawsuit? Or do you think that there could we could buy more donations?</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2889">48:09</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2889" data-t="2889">I I think this is more of a job for Podkoff.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2893" data-t="2893">I think they're they're well positioned to</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2896" data-t="2896">to create an anti defamation fund to to help protect people's good standing in the industry.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2904">48:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2904" data-t="2904">Oh, that's huge. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like I like that.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2908" data-t="2908">I think</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2909" data-t="2909">I'm on their website.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2911" data-t="2911">Oh, yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2912" data-t="2912">In anti toxicity leak.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2915" data-t="2915">Yeah. I mean, sometimes people get</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2918">48:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2918" data-t="2918">we all know that the social media is pretty toxic,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2921" data-t="2921">but it could get a little too toxic. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2926" data-t="2926">you need to go on you need to protect your reputation. You need to actually go out there and find these noncompliant,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2935" data-t="2935">bugs who are violating,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2938" data-t="2938">you know, just ethics,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2939" data-t="2939">and you need to to</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2941">49:01</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2941" data-t="2941">basically use the state in some circumstances to make sure they comply.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2948">49:08</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2948" data-t="2948">I agree.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2950" data-t="2950">Well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2952" data-t="2952">I think the Anti Toxicity</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2955" data-t="2955">League</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2956" data-t="2956">will or FOND or or whatever you wanna call them. We're we're gonna be seeing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2961" data-t="2961">that group emerge here in the near future,</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2964">49:24</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2964" data-t="2964">to protect individuals like CryptoCloaks</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2967" data-t="2967">from being defamed by Vlad.</span></span></p>
   +
   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2969">49:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2969" data-t="2969">You know, I it would be cool to see, like, that tour like, warriors</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2974" data-t="2974">in the big point space like Joe Carlosar</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2977" data-t="2977">to to maybe decent pro bono to work</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2980" data-t="2980">to help this Antitoxicity</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2982" data-t="2982">Week.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2986">49:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2986" data-t="2986">Yeah. I mean, it's a great way</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2989" data-t="2989">to really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2990" data-t="2990">further Bitcoin and Bitcoin adoption</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2993" data-t="2993">by preventing</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2995" data-t="2995">individuals for just defaming</span> <span class="cue" id="t-2998" data-t="2998">good standing</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-2999">49:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-2999" data-t="2999">individuals</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3000" data-t="3000">that don't deserve this type of treatment.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3002">50:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3002" data-t="3002">I mean, the most successful</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3005" data-t="3005">industries,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3007" data-t="3007">in the world are extremely litigious, and I think that there's a lot of room for</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3013" data-t="3013">lawsuits and,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3015" data-t="3015">just litigious activity</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3017" data-t="3017">in Bitcoin,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3018">50:18</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3018" data-t="3018">if we're gonna grow to, like, match some of these other industries.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3023">50:23</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3023" data-t="3023">It's important for companies to take advantage of the rule of law as much as they can.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3030">50:30</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3030" data-t="3030">Right.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3031" data-t="3031">It's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3033" data-t="3033">it is</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3034" data-t="3034">very</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3035" data-t="3035">effective</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3036" data-t="3036">when you leverage the state</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3038">50:38</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3038" data-t="3038">against</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3039" data-t="3039">individuals</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3040" data-t="3040">or your own benefit.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3042" data-t="3042">And they can be it it could benefit Bitcoin as well.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3046">50:46</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3046" data-t="3046">Well, it this fits into the game theory, you know, where the individuals that are the most compliant</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3052" data-t="3052">and the most effective operators,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3056" data-t="3056">are the most successful</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3058" data-t="3058">at using the legal system to benefit themselves.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3062">51:02</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3062" data-t="3062">No coincidence that the people who understand game theory the best are lawyers.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3068" data-t="3068">Yes.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3069" data-t="3069">Right.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3070">51:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3070" data-t="3070">Well,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3071" data-t="3071">not not just understanding game theory, but lawyers understand the macro environment</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3079" data-t="3079">very, very well.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3080" data-t="3080">And and the reason why they understand</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3083" data-t="3083">the macro environment</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3086" data-t="3086">is because lawsuits</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3088">51:28</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3088" data-t="3088">and understanding the legal system and laws in general</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3092" data-t="3092">fit into the macro environment. Like, good laws</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3095" data-t="3095">can really</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3097" data-t="3097">benefit an economy</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3099" data-t="3099">in an incredible way.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3100">51:40</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3100" data-t="3100">Absolutely. I mean, macroeconomics</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3103" data-t="3103">is downstream</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3105" data-t="3105">from</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3106" data-t="3106">from lawsuits</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3108" data-t="3108">effectively.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3110" data-t="3110">Maybe you didn't look at look at look at Bitcoin. Right? Like,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3113">51:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3113" data-t="3113">Bitcoin is up how much since the beginning of the year? The whole macro</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3119" data-t="3119">outlook of Bitcoin change as a result of a lawsuit by GBTC.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3124" data-t="3124">Any net? So what more evidence do you need?</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3128" data-t="3128">It would not be e m yeah. Exactly.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3131">52:11</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3131" data-t="3131">I I think there could be some great opportunities for lawsuits here to protect consumers. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3138" data-t="3138">I I could foresee</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3139" data-t="3139">a class action lawsuit,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3142" data-t="3142">from users on Coinbase,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3146" data-t="3146">for not having access to their funds.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3149" data-t="3149">That would be great for, consumer protection. I could see,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3154">52:34</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3154" data-t="3154">you know, a variety of lawsuits</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3156" data-t="3156">in that regard. We we</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3158" data-t="3158">we could definitely see a lawsuit</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3161" data-t="3161">requiring</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3162" data-t="3162">FOLD</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3163" data-t="3163">to pay a minimum wage in regards to the rewards.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3168">52:48</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3168" data-t="3168">That would be a good one.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3170">52:50</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3170" data-t="3170">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3171" data-t="3171">How are you supposed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3173" data-t="3173">to build generational wealth? How are you supposed to save for your future if Bold is offering you five SAP a day? I mean,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3181" data-t="3181">that might have been that might have been acceptable in 2019.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3186" data-t="3186">But today, you you need to up that minimum that minimum wage for sure.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3192">53:12</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3192" data-t="3192">Yeah. And</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3194" data-t="3194">and, I mean, we could even see a requirement</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3197" data-t="3197">from</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3199" data-t="3199">the daily rewards on stacker news</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3202" data-t="3202">go up significantly</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3203" data-t="3203">due to,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3205">53:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3205" data-t="3205">minimum wage laws passed over there.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3209">53:29</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3209" data-t="3209">Right. And and one thing to remember</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3212" data-t="3212">is that companies who, you know, are not in good standing with Podkol,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3217" data-t="3217">many of those companies are the ones who are are the biggest</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3223" data-t="3223">violators of the living wage, you know, ethics. They they don't want to comply. They don't wanna follow minimum wage laws.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3231" data-t="3231">And so this is why compliance, like, why we say compliance</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3235" data-t="3235">just totally improves the community.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3239">53:59</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3239" data-t="3239">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3240" data-t="3240">Something that Jeff Bezos has been very successful at with Amazon. It's why he's always lobbying for minimum wage laws.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3248" data-t="3248">It's,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3249" data-t="3249">yeah, he knows,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3250">54:10</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3250" data-t="3250">that complying really benefits his business as well. Right. Exactly. And it's the same it would be the same in the Bitcoin space</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3258" data-t="3258">if a new company or a new technology</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3261" data-t="3261">or a, you know, a new team wanted to come in and innovate in the Bitcoin community,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3267" data-t="3267">but they didn't they did not have,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3269" data-t="3269">you know, they were not able to pay a living wage. They were not able to give their customers high enough rewards and stats.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3277" data-t="3277">Well, they shouldn't be allowed to compete,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3279">54:39</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3279" data-t="3279">you know, the compliant companies.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3282" data-t="3282">They shouldn't have to fight</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3285" data-t="3285">and compete with these companies who just are prepared</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3289" data-t="3289">to comply.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3291">54:51</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3291" data-t="3291">Yeah.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3293" data-t="3293">So I I would say CryptoCloaks is really,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3297" data-t="3297">doing something important here.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3299" data-t="3299">This is a big moment for the industry as,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3302" data-t="3302">more</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3303" data-t="3303">lawsuits</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3305">55:05</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3305" data-t="3305">enter the space potentially.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3307">55:07</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3307" data-t="3307">Yeah. I'd love to look at the</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3309" data-t="3309">amount of positive press for Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3312" data-t="3312">that, that came out of the Craig Roy trial.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3316" data-t="3316">Beitos, he he see all these people. It was multiple countries, multiple lawsuits.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3321" data-t="3321">And people,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3323" data-t="3323">because of those lawsuits,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3325">55:25</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3325" data-t="3325">got to see a lot about how Bitcoin,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3329" data-t="3329">the white paper. They learned about the white paper. It's just it's very positive, creates jobs. It creates really good press for Bitcoin.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3336">55:36</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3336" data-t="3336">I know I know Bitcoin Magazine hired at least three people to cover</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3341" data-t="3341">a handful of those,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3342" data-t="3342">trials.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3344" data-t="3344">And so it's definitely been good for the, the Bitcoin</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3347" data-t="3347">content creation economy.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3350" data-t="3350">We can see a lot more of that in the future,</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3353">55:53</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3353" data-t="3353">benefiting organizations like the Beagle.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3356">55:56</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3356" data-t="3356">Yeah. Yeah. That's</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3358" data-t="3358">hopefully,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3359" data-t="3359">like I said earlier,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3361" data-t="3361">we are so early.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3364">56:04</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3364" data-t="3364">Oh,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3366" data-t="3366">we are so early.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3368" data-t="3368">That's incredible.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3374" data-t="3374">I think we we kinda blew through,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3377" data-t="3377">the agenda pretty quickly.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3380">56:20</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3380" data-t="3380">Yeah. I mean, that's about an hour. So</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3382" data-t="3382">I</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3383" data-t="3383">you know, maybe in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3386" data-t="3386">later in the bull market, we will,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3388" data-t="3388">actually</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3389" data-t="3389">be doubling the length of the show like we talked about earlier</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3393">56:33</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Rod Palmer</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3393" data-t="3393">to to fit in</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3395" data-t="3395">more pod comp ads</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3397" data-t="3397">so we can make more sponsorship money.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3399" data-t="3399">But for now,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3403" data-t="3403">I think the hour's good.</span></span></p>
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   +<p class="cue-p"><a class="cue-t" href="#t-3405">56:45</a><span class="cue-body"><b class="cue-who">Richard Greaser</b> <span class="cue" id="t-3405" data-t="3405">I think so too. I I I think that</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3408" data-t="3408">once we start bringing on guests,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3411" data-t="3411">we can really ask them questions meticulously,</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3414" data-t="3414">and and people can see what it what it's like to be interviewed</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3418" data-t="3418">by a journalist instead of just a podcaster.</span> <span class="cue" id="t-3422" data-t="3422">And,</span></span></p>
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